118. Awkward Encounters, Biopics, And Creature Commandos

Jacob and James embark on a lively journey exploring the world of AI-generated music, personal anecdotes, and listener emails. Jacob shares his experiments with AI intros, sparking a discussion on the ethics and creativity of AI in the entertainment industry. James recounts a humorous birthday dinner story involving Italian cuisine and unexpected networking, while Jacob recalls a near-miss with a pyramid scheme. In a light-hearted segment, they discuss the underwhelming box office performance of the Robbie Williams biopic and ponder future biopic subjects, with a nod to the unique storytelling approaches of recent films. The episode wraps up with insights into the "Creature Commandos" series, James Gunn's influence on the DCU, and the potential for fan expectations to shape the future of superhero cinema. Tune in for a blend of humor, critique, and thoughtful discussion on the latest in pop culture.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
From Houston to San Antonio. We're bringing you all the
pop culture news. Joined Jacob and James to stay chase
fortune and fame on the go or just staying home.

(00:26):
We will entertain you from your phone.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
It's on the go show. I like that. That's cool. Yeah,
you like that. That's that's that's pretty. So it's not
as wacky and out there like I thought it was.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
It's not the worst thing I've played for you.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
It's not. This is not coming close. Well, I was like,
so come close.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
The backstory to this, James is obviously ay. I I'm
gonna I'm gonna throw it out of there. He I.
I didn't pay a guy to make this. And if
you thought I paid a guy to make this, you,
I don't know, that'll be about ten dollars, maybe maybe twenty.
So I don't know. I think it was like a
day or two after we recorded last week's episode, and

(01:08):
I jumped on my computer and I was just playing
with like AI music because I was like, I want
to do something different with our intro. I don't want
it to be an AI intro. I just want like
a different intro music. Because I don't know I added
these things I have to listen to the intro music
every week when I put it in, and I'm like,
we can do sorry, my cat tried to break in again.
We can do something, or we can get something better.

(01:31):
I just don't exactly know what it is. So over
the next like few recordings, James, I have created a
variety of AI generated intros just to have some fun.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Just well, I mean, I don't have a problem with it.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
I think this is I don't mean to talk to
you about using like some at least the end of
the instrumentals. Instrumentals is more I care more about than
actual the actual exertion. Yeah, you know, because you know,
as we know, I'm in trying to get this this
special that I really want to do off the ground.
But for yourself find Yeah, and I can't find any

(02:08):
music that any interest right that I did see this
AI music thing in the background. There's all instrumentals that
I could use, and I was like, that'd be so perfect,
it would be so freaking perfect interesting. So yeah, I
mean I'll have a problem with it, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I'm coming around to it. I just AI is such
a tricky thing right now, where it's like, you know,
companies are using it to not pay people, right, like
they're like Coca Cola got in trouble. I don't know
if we covered this, but Coca Cola, I don't know
if they got in trouble, but they got a lot
of flak for using an AI generated Coca Cola commercial
so much so to where like the Coca Cola symbol

(02:46):
or even words, and the commercial didn't say Coca Cola
was like something else because AI. You know, the longer
you look at it, the worst it gets imaging wise.
I don't want to be like that, but well no, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Of course, not mean talking about being like that, but
I mean you have if you can use something without
having to because like I said, we don't have the
means of money.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Like right, if we can see somebody, we would, right
of course, you know. Yeah, so yeah, I mean we
can we I mean, we can definitely work on like
a like an intro for you if that's if that's
the route you want to go, Well it's.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Something like that.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
I'll talk to you more about it after we get
done with the pot.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
It's it's.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Something that I don't really want to do, and I've
been trying to get this off the ground. I was
trying to get off the.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Ground and January, well December January.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
It's just like I can't find the right music, and
like the music that we have that we use on
like the PODCASTLE, I'm not really interested in.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, you know, I've been using the podcastle music a
lot more and it's it's not that impressive to me.
I found some good things, but yeah, I think the
route that you want to go it probably does need
to be something different. But yeah, we can discuss that
more after the show. I'm they mean to get into
a whole shop talk moment there, but yeah, it's so
over the next few weeks, just I'm gonna use like

(04:02):
random AI generated uh intros and we'll play with them
and we'll have some fun. But some of them are
real cheesy and some of them sound decent.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Ish.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I think that was like a pretty decent one.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, it was decent. I like that.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
So just to give you a level of like what
to expect next time, like that's probably the top. It
goes down from.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
There, because at first I thought it would be like, well, okay,
so I know I know what to expect with the
wacky DJ. I was like all right right. That's why
I thought we were getting a wacky am DJ. Yeah
was the cloud noises and fart.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
So yeah, I'm happy. Yeah, I'm happy we didn't get that.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
No, it's all good.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
How how's your week?

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Then it's been okay. I had an okay birthday, Like
I said, when I have to go, you have been
on Manzinos, who Magginos and uh moorial City mall.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Oh it's it's an Italian place, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, next to a cheesecake Factor.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Okay, I don't think I've been there, but I have
seen it.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
No one's ever been there, no one. Maybe it's because
of the way I'm pronouncing it.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Is that a foreshadowing of like where the story is going?

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Well, well yeah, that's all the kind of but that's
not the point. But you know, it's like no one's
ever been to this place. And every time I keep
telling people that I went to my birthday, it's just like, oh,
this is some type of fancy place and this nice
Italian restaurant. After I like Italian food. I like Italian
food and I like fish. That was the two things

(05:33):
that I love the most. So I go to this
place and I decided to dying in because at first
I just wanted to just decided, like, I.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Don't really don't like to eat by myself. I don't
like people looking at me and staring at me one eating.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I get that. I don't think I've ever been to
a restaurant by myself.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
It's I have in the past, like like I hop
or Guineas, but never thought like a fancy, fancy restaurant.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
So I go there and I say party for one.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
The lady sends me down, she gives me my menu,
and there is this girl, this woman that's looking right
directly at me the entire time, and she's in like
total eyeshot. Now before you say mm, she's like she's
an old woman, so she looks to be like in
her fifties the sixties, and everything I'm telling you is true.

(06:25):
I'm telling you the true story. Okay, So she gives them, the.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Lady gives me the menuth.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
The lady's looking at me the entire time. And at
a certain point, now I've gotten kind of bolder. I've
gotten real bold now to the point where I'm gonna
ask you, ma'am or sir, what are you looking at?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Is everything, okay, how you doing today?

Speaker 4 (06:43):
So I asked, I wait at the lady, and the
lady she's just kind of like, we're back to her menu.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I was like, what the help? I said, well, that
changes your way? So then I order some wine. Yeah,
so I ordered some wine. Yeah. Look, man, i's been
a long week. Brother.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Wine with dinner is fine. I'm not judging you.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
It wasn't.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
There wasn't a judgmental.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
It was okay.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
It was like, oh, okay, I'm about to say I
needed some type of liquor, and my sister saw on
some word wine and then the lady looks at me again.
So at this point I was like, you know what,
she wants some attention. So I go up to her
and I ask her, Hey, how you doing today? And
she was with one of her little lady friends. So

(07:30):
it wasn't like she was with a guy and nothing
like that, because if you was with.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
A guy, they would have been hold her problems. So
I was said, hey, how you doing it? Everything okay?
And she's like, oh no, no, no, everything's fine.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
You know.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
The reason why I keep looking at you is because
you look like somebody. And I was like, I think
I know when you're going with this. And for a
long time people told me I look like this basketball
player named Andrew Biden, and yeah, he played, he played
for the Lakers.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I was like, well, no, man, I'm not I'm not
answered by it. She said, I'm sorry. I didn't mean
to keep staring at you. You're very handsome, man. I said, well,
I thank you. I thank you for that.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
You know, I had like a little snazzy little uh
little blazer on because it was kind of cool outside. Yeah,
a little snazzy blazers dress, like I want to look
somewhat nice for my birthday. You know, right, I didn't
have the best birthday, so I want to look somewhat.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Nice for it. Right.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
You gotta you gotta doll yourself up. You gotta treat yourself.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to doll myself up.
A little doll myself up. I like that. That's a
good one. So I want to doll myself up a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
And you know, she's talking to me, and as I'm
sunny talking to her, I realized my mind that she
wants me as like one of those cabana boys talking.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
To me, because she started really really flirting with me hard.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
She touched me on my hand because I had laid
my hand on like the little table part. I was like, really,
she wants me. It's like one of those cabanda boys. Now,
I would be open to being a cabana boy, you know,
because you know the commanded boy is right.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, I think so. I have a pretty good idea this.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
You know pretty much the other the little hot young
guy who fans the older woman and does whatever that
whatever she wants, and she buys them like shoes and expensive,
expensive jewelry, just to keep around. I would have been
all up for that. I end this story to tell
you this. The food was good or the nice pasta.

(09:27):
Everything was off. Everything was amazing, shrimp pasta. You know,
I was finishing, she was. I went back to my table.
She finished talking to her friend. When they left, the
woman gave me her card and on the back of
it was a number. She's working on the sides one
of them suit's places.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Whoa, that's what she was doing. She was networking, wastwork.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
That was networking, and on the back of it was
her like her it's a personal number because on the
front in front of it was her real number was
like the work number and on the back of it
was a personal number. Yeah, so I said, I let
to say I got to hit it.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
On and she was networking.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Oh yay, that was That's a good birthday gift.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
You know you're that bad day, so you get dulled
up and you go out and then you get hit
on by massage missus. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
And this is a sprinkle of what you'd expect from
my new special coming up on the on the gold Pot.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
That's the teas.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
So I was saving it, you know, for this podcast specifically.
I didn't want to tell this story and I want
I didn't want to waste the load. I want you
to be surprised about how this story was going to go.
But yeah, this is like, this is like a little
small sample of what you'd expect. Yeah, I'm doing my
little special, man, I'm trying to do something, do something different,
almost like a one man show where I'm just telling

(10:46):
like stories that works.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, and I have like a book of it.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
You know, I've been writing down so many stories over
the past few months, you know, chronicling different things that
I've been through, especially at the bar, because bar.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I have so many good bar stories. That you would
love to hear.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
I mean it sounds like it.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got some wild, wild bar stories.
So yeah, man, like this is some of the stuff
that you could expect from it, and I really really
can't wait.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, man, i'd be I'd be excited to hear all
those stories, especially if you're like this one.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah right, yeah, So you.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Know, it kind of reminds me of did I ever
tell you about the time of how I almost got
like sucked into an MLM? No tell, okay, okay, Well,
I just graduated college with my audio recording degree, right,
and I'm working This was when I worked at a
theater at the time. So I'm working at the theater

(11:40):
doing box office, you know, taking tickets or whatever. And
one of the guys, one of the guests obviously comes
out gets a ticket or whatever, and he was asking me, Hey,
are you in college? What are you doing? Blah blah blah,
And I was like, Oh, I just graduated college, you know,
audio recording technology, sound engineer. I want to go into
X y Z. So he's like, oh, well you should
get here's here's my number. You should give me a

(12:04):
call and come by my place and blah. Blah blah,
and I thought he was talking about like he had
a studio.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
The way he was talking was like he was interested
in the fact that I knew like audio stuff, right,
So like all right, cool. So I call a number
and then I think it was like somebody else who
answered and they set me up like a meeting. So
I was like, Okay, maybe he's got a secretary or whatever.
And I forget where it was. It was in like
some other party Houston that I've never like really been to,

(12:31):
and so I drive over to this. This was when
I was first starting to take Cadedra too, because I
told her about it. I was like, oh, hey, you
know this guy, maybe I can get in. You know,
I got a good job going, right, And so I
drive to the place. It's in like you know, like
one of the shopping center areas, so yeah, not an
abandoned building or anything, but but it was like, yeah,

(12:53):
it's in a shopping center, but there's no like name
of business on the address, right, it's just like an
empty not an empty uh building or anything, but like
the where the name card go it's empty. Yeah, Like
all right, that's kind of weird. And I walk in.
I was like, hey, yeah, I have a meeting with
so and so today, just blah blah blah, and he

(13:15):
goes He's like, okay, cool, I'll be right back in
like five minutes. Guy goes away or secretary or whatever
goes away, and then another person comes out, not the
guy I originally met at the theater. I've never seen
that man again. It was like some other dude. And
he was like, hey, like here, I'm gonna give you
the spiel and it was like some like weird like
insurance selling company.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Oh they got you.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, well they almost they almost did, right, And they
were like, oh, you know, the books are gonna be
like two hundred dollars for you to start and blah
blah blah, and like you're gonna be helping people all
this stuff. And I was like, yeah, I'm I'm gonna
have to think about that. Like they wanted me to
pay like that day, like yeah. It wasn't a yes
or no, it was like straight up just like oh, hey,
it's gonna be like two hundred bucks. You know, Hey,

(14:00):
do you have a credit card? We can we can
set you up right now. And I'm like, yeah, I
don't think I'm I want to give you my credit card.
I'm going to think about this. I'll give you a
call back or whatever, and walked out of there.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Oh man, See, I have a story just similar to
that that is awesome.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
See I'm similar.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
I have a story similar to that, but it involves
swinging swingers. Oh man, and Peri skin. I can't tell
it on the spot because I don't want to. I
don't want to waste it. I don't want to waste it.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
But if you.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Guys up, if you guys want to hear it, get ready.
I'm telling you I will start promoting this and I
can't wait.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
And Jacob, you got you gotta tune in, man, I will.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
I will be there. But man, I remember I was
so mad too. I was mad at that guy because like,
where the you know, we're working at a theater. It's
mostly a job for high school age kids. Right, It's
like A it's a real good job to be like
part time with the flexible schedule, right. I think that's
part time job. The most beneficial thing about A plus
free movies and or not. And so I think it
was like management at the time. So I was like

(15:03):
covering box office that's how this guy found me. But
I also I got very upset because I was like, oh, man,
I know there's a lot of other like kids there
that were probably desperate to make more money because at
the time, the theater didn't pay that much. You know,
this is before the pay increase like a few years later.
So I got very upset thinking about this. I was like, oh, man,
if I ever see that dude in that theater again,

(15:24):
I'm gonna tell them all. So I was just like,
are you're gonna come to a theater and catch people
on pyramid schemes? You know?

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Well, okay, I have a theory. So what if that
guy that caught you in the movie theater, that that
told you all these different things. What if he was
a guy that had a regular job and did all
the similar things you did, and they trapped them.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
And the enslaved them, and they said, you go to
do our bidding for us.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
That could be how it goes. That's how the that's
how pyramid schemes work.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
You do our bidding for us.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
That's how it works. You you you find another employee
and then get their money, and then they find another
employee and they get nobody makes I don't know. It's
so weird how it works, and it's weird that it's
like somewhat legal.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Like well, love the guy was trying to throw off
HiT's like, sir, you want He's like he's blinking his
eyes the entire time. Yeah, he's like he's touching your shoulder.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Oh man. They try to play Morse code like yeah,
save me. Oh well, yeah, you're you feel good about
that one, don't you got caught almost I'm smarter than that, though,

(16:41):
I'm not like, oh okay, I'll just do this.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I guess yo's gotten slave man. But it's also like.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
I don't know. It's also like I'm not that desperate
for month. I got a full time job as it is.
I just graduated college. I was excited because I thought
you had something in my career for me. I'm not
going to do your insurance salesman stuff like what.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Oh man, that's a great way. I love it. That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Well, thank you, James. I'm glad. I'm glad I can
entertain you.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Hey both told some very interesting stories.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah. Man, look, we're like twenty minutes into this and
we are we're starting off good today. So I think
so so with our personal lives aside, I want to
bring up this email that our dear good friend listener
Zach had sent us. You've got mail, he says, Hey, guys,
what why do you think most directors blame others or

(17:34):
people for why their movie failed instead of taking responsibility
or saying in a more professional way of why their
movie failed things.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
I mean, he's right, because this is definitely a topic
I kind of wanted to talk about because I heard
what Andy Luchette said too, and this kind of comes
off the heels of the Marvel ceo. I mean, not Marvel,
but a Sony guy.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, And it's just.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Like, I don't know what these people have PR. Do
do you think people some of these people have PR.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
They should you, I mean you would think they have
like a PR guy to listen to. But also some
people don't listen to their PR people. Honestly, they just like,
oh whatever, I know better, you know. I mean, humans
are gonna be human at the end of the day.
So even if you have like a PR guy, you
can choose to not listen to them.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Right, Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
So that I think some people just like, oh whatever,
that guy doesn't know what he's talking about, and then
you know, you get blasted on the internet because you
said something stupid.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Because it's like, I feel like there's other ways that
you can say this without some very tone diff Yeah,
you know, and for sure, I'll get your opinion first,
you go, you go ahead, all right?

Speaker 3 (18:41):
So yeah, okay, you brought up Andy Mushetti, and I
forgot to like preface this email with the fact that
Zach had sent it with the Flash director's comments question
as the subject. So that's that's where we're getting Andy
Muschetti from. But Andy Muschetti just did an interview recently,
and I was gonna do the extra la work James
and go get the audio and play it on the

(19:03):
show and we can be like, let's listen to what
do you actually had to say?

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Right? No, nice, you got it.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
No, it's a Spanish podcast, like we would not understand.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I did.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
I looked it up. I was like, I'm gonna go
download this and I'm like, well, we'll be cool or whatever,
but no, it's Spanish. So I'm like, okay, well that's
that's a bus.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
But these comments.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
His comments on the podcast were essentially that the Flash
movie didn't hit the four quadrants. And what that basically
means is like, you know, there's four demographics or four
age groups you know, across the lifespan I suppose, and
those are demographics you need to hit, right, So you
got like males eighteen to twenty five, you got females
eighteen to twenty five, and then like you know, vice versa,

(19:46):
and so on and so forth, age groups, older age
groups and younger age groups whatever. And so I guess
the Flash Movie didn't hit all those quadrants. And that's
why I didn't make the money, right, because people weren't
going to see it and all that stuff. And from
from the aspect of like I kinda I kind of
get what are you saying, right, because that's that's what

(20:07):
corporate that's corporate speak, right, that's probably what you like,
your your executive producer and not the executive producer, but
your executives in your in your movie studios are telling you, right,
or whoever you meet with or like, hey, look it
didn't hit this and this and this, So I kind
of get what you're saying. I I think the reason
the Flash Movie didn't do as well is because did

(20:30):
they really in the theaters. They didn't release in the theaters,
did they?

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, they at least the theaters I did.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
I thought it came on streaming, Okay, I don't think
it did so well, just because of the fact that,
first of all, it was delayed like what seven years?

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yea, it was delayed.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
I got delayed so much. I mean it was It's
basically the Blade of the DC Universe, right, except I
think Blades almost going on longer. I got delayed so lot,
so much, and then Ezra Miller started having all those issues,
and so that really affected the movie. The movie itself.
I don't think it's a bad film. No, it's a
great film. And I mean it's you know, also, again,

(21:08):
comic book movies. You know, you're you're gonna have a
very specific demographic with those, right, Like your demographic is
mostly gonna be male, probably like eighteen and twenty five,
and then like on the older age like maybe like
I don't know, twenty five to forty or fifty.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
It's about right, I think what different women.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, not to say that there aren't women who listen
to like watch comic book movies or whatever, but you know,
I think statistically probably more more men or into the
comic book stuff or whatever. And of course I have
no facts up here to like just to back me up,
so I'm just talking. That being said, I also think
as a creative people creatives get very defensive on their work,

(21:50):
right always, so I think that's where some of it
comes from. So Todd Phillips, for example, Joker two came out,
a bunch of people hated it. Immediately, Todd Phillips comes
out and he's like, well, you just didn't understand it,
because this is what I meant, and blah blah. He
had like he felt like he had to come out
and explain the movie to try to get you back
on his side. And I think that's where like the
defensiveness kind of comes from.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Sometimes.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
I don't think Andy Muchetty is. I don't think what
he said is like, oh, you just didn't get it,
you know, blah blah blah. I think what he said
does comes from a very like business point of view,
you know.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
What I mean.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Yeah, I mean I thought that he had a point,
but at the same time, he's right, it didn't hit
the four quadrants. But also too, you got to understand
what was DC at that time. It was, you know,
it was already in the ground. Everyone hated it. All
the movies, all the moves were flopping, Edgie Miller and
his stuff that was going on, like you said, and

(22:46):
it was at that point where people just didn't like,
we don't really care anymore.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, exactly, like this is it. This is gonna be
the same thing with Aquaman two. Aquaman two didn't do
much in theaters, and that's because everybody was like, well,
it's not gonna go anywhere. That's it, which is I
think in order to have a really good cinemac universe,
you should be able to your movies that don't lead
up to other movies should still be successful, you know

(23:12):
what I mean, Like Aquaman two should have still done
good just because people like Aquaman, not because oh that's
gonna lead to the next Justice League thing. Yeah, that
feeds into it. But if if your individual movies like livelihoods,
consist on how well it fits into the overarching story,
it's not going to do that well when your cinematic

(23:34):
universe dies or gets rebooted or whatever.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Right, So well, yeah, because you had the reboot in
its the same time. The first Achaman was very.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Good, very good, surprise a lot of people because Aquaman.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Yeah, it's definitely surprised a lot of people. And Jaja,
I think Jason Won Moore really helped it along because
it really Aquaman is probably one of the most which
will will we'll call it the most niche probably the
most to use language of back in the day, one
of the most gayest characters. People always felt like the

(24:05):
one of the most gayest characters. And probably yeah, yeah,
so no one really ever took to Aquaman like that,
but Jason Moore kind of brought like a little different
level to it, like almost like Lobo in the water.
So that movie gets successful, but the second one not
so much because the simple fact that once again no
one cared because it wasn't going anywhere. And two, I
think people were just tired. People were just tired of DC.

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You had Black Adam they had already came out. That
was a disaster, and then you had what the other
movie that came out, Tazam, that was a disaster.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Fear of the Gods, Blue Beetle that was like a
generic by the numbers comic book movie.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
It really was, so I mean, you had all these
different factors that that went in too. Why it's just
not just I don't want to just blame it all
on women, but the.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Simple fact that like no one cared. It's just no
one to.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Care, right, I mean, yeah, you're right. Some people don't
just didn't care or whatever at the time.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
So and that happens.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
But like I said, I don't think what Andy Muschetti
said was too outrageous compared to like what the CEO
of Sony says or what Todd Phillips says. I you know,
but they should take more responsibility. It would be nice
if a director was like, hey, you know what, I
did my best with this movie, and unfortunately it just
didn't perform.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well boom, Yeah, that's all you got to say.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
It's like sports, you know, whenever people talk to people
in sports, be like, well, you know, we ran a
good game, but the other people ran a better game,
and blah blah blah blah blah. Like you know, they
always get that kind of kind of generically like answer
on the field robotic.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
This is a robotic answer, but it is an answer
on the list.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, and again it's hard for creatives because it's just
like you wore your heart and soul into this and
you think you're doing a great job and then like
overwhelmingly you you know, I imagine like we put out
this small time podcast, nobody really like pays much attention
to it, like what would they do? But like we
don't get a ton of comments, right, but if for
whatever reason, like a post or something blew up like

(26:00):
talking about how bad our stuff is, we would get
really defensive about it, right.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Probably, yeah, most likely.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
So it's you just have to it's a it's a
human condition and you have to be able to turn
that off sometimes and for whatever reason, directors these days,
not all of them, but some of them just can't
or don't.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
This is just annoying, man, It really is annoyed. Like
these guys have really really got to find a way to.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Lower their egos and out of it too. Is like
an ego driven Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Right yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, especially when you're doing these
big budget like big movie company movies or well, you know,
the pressure in DC is high because like they're fighting Marvel.
They're against Marvel, and Marvel for a long time was
kicking their butt and now it's like, oh, well Marvel's
kind of failing, so we have a chance here and
the pressure is still high. The pressure is really high

(26:50):
on James gunn to champion what he's got going on.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, exactly, And we'll.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Get into that a little bit later when we talk
about Creature Commandos. But yeah, I mean, that's all I
gotta say about it. You have any other remarks, No,
I don't have any more remarks for it.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
I mean, I'm just glad that was the email that
was Sensels because we definitely, I definitely wanted to talk
about that.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Who have I been emailing who?

Speaker 4 (27:14):
On the Girl podcast with Jacob and James.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
It's decent.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
We're gonna move on here to some box office numbers,
or maybe not box office numbers per se James, but
one particular movie that came out. You know, the greatest,
one of the greatest performing artists we have Robbie Williams.
I don't know if you know the exactly some songwriter.

(27:48):
I don't know he wrote a hit back in the day,
but I think we covered it before in the show.
Robbie Williams again, famous British guy. He writes songs, he
wrote some hits. Can't name a hint that he came
out with a biopic called Better man, and it tanked
with a million dollars. Like, I think it only made

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a million dollars at the box office the first week
and it came out. I'm double checking these numbers.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
The only part I knowing that movie, as she pulled
up the members, The only part I remember that movie
is in the trailer.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
He says, we said for a couple hours, your ass
is mine.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's the.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Only part I like.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Well, I mean if somebody says that when they started
a concert or you know, performance, like you'd be like,
all right, I was already here for you. But yeah,
what do you what do you got?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah? Is mine?

Speaker 3 (28:44):
So it faltered with one point nine million dollars to
start and then up to date as this Variety article
that I'm looking at that came out on January twelve,
so as a few days ago, it was up to
four point seven million, which is a very bad opening
for a movie.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, especially because I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
The budget is whole. I'm gonna look up the budget.
But it doesn't surprise me, James, because first of all,
nobody knows who the hell Robbie Williams is.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Not in the States, not in the States, and.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Also, I don't know. They touted this as the most
unique biopick, and I disagree with that because it's not unique.
You honestly, you just it's a regular biopick. You just
cegi'ed a monkey.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Man because you thought that I'll probably bring in more people.
It's like, oh, this is kind of cool, this is different.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
And I'm not gonna lie. It's an interesting concept, but
the whole movie he's still just Robbie Williams right, like there,
he's not a monkey, or he's not a chimp who became,
you know, able to talk and you know almost like
plenty of apes, but not not taking over. You know,
like you could have done that and that would have
been more interesting, be like, yeah, I'll watch a movie
about this chimpanzee that learned how to talk and sing.

(29:59):
I would have to, you know, but they didn't do that.
And also, this is off the back of the Pharrell
bio pick, which was a Lego movie which unfortunately no
one saw.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, I didn't very good.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
But if you're going for creativity and you're going for uniqueness,
I would say that's more unique than this one, right, Yeah,
exactly that that rubbed me the wrong way I was like,
that's not unique at all. It's just a biopic and
U CG had a monkey Man over it, and Pharrell
did a whole Lego movie with Lego with Warner not
Warner Brothers Universal if they did the Universal because Universal

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has the rights until I think this year, which is
unfortunate for them because they they got the rights to
the Legos products in twenty twenty and they had a
deal to do like five movies and then you know,
the pandemic happened. So yeah, I think the Farrel movie
was the only one that made it. I don't even
know if they're going to try to like get the
others out or extend their contract.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
That's a good question.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
But yeah, it's like that that's a much more unique
thing to me. So they just rub me the wrong way.
And also to like the weird Al Yankovic biopick, I
wanted to point out, like that's a parody of biopicks,
which is also very weird Al Yankovic, right, because yeah,
I mean he does he does the original stuff, but yeah,
most of his big stuff, his famous stuff is like parodies, so.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Especially the Michael Jackson stuff.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, so it's like that's even more unique because like, yeah,
it's a biopick, but it's a parody of a biopick
from a guy who does parodies. So yeah, I mean
I can see why this thing like bombed to the
box office. I don't think it's a big surprise. No
one's really like, oh my god, you didn't go to
see the Robby Williams movie. You should. But everyone's just like, yeah,
we don't. We don't know who that guy is. Why
would we movie one hit?

Speaker 2 (31:41):
No?

Speaker 3 (31:41):
And I can look it up because I know he's
been like he's been a writer or something on some
notable songs. I just don't remember which ones they are
at this at this moment.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
I bet you the songs that probably hits you probably
will never know.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Maybe I don't know. I remember him being some kind
of pop hits. But anyway, poor, poor poor Robbie Williams.
If you were to make a biopick of someone James,
who would you choose? There's someone who hasn't been like
biopicked before.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
I mean, I feel like it's been done so many
times it's kind.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Of hard to pick. I mean, like already doing what
by Michael Jackson? Come on next year?

Speaker 3 (32:18):
All right, better question.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Better question.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Out of all the up and coming people we've had
over the last, like, you know, ten years or so,
who do you think they will make a biopick of
in the future.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's a good question. That's a that's a that's a kicker,
because I don't really see anything.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
I don't really see any artists that are of any
interests like that, celebrity, any type of celebrity.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
I mean we're talking YouTube, TikTok, Instagram like in any celebrity.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Absolutely not, absolutely Now, I refuse to see a Logan
Paul a Logan Paul film.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Oh you don't think there's gonna be a Mister Beast biopick?

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Oh god, yeah, Mister Beast's documentary.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, you know what, Elon Musk, Elon Musk biopic. Look,
who could you see that you actually do enjoy?

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Oh? Man, that's a good one. Who I enjoy?

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (33:21):
I don't know, man, I just really don't know.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
I just don't see any lives this that as interesting
as what we had back in the day. And I think,
you know, you know, the reason why it's hard to
see so many biopics of people of today is because
their lives is already on the canvas for you to see.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
That is true. It's already going.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
It's already going.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
It's hard as a picture, like oh yeah, when they
make this guy's movie, because.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
You've already seen it play out right before your eyes. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
That's fair even with like Donald Trump, like the movie
with Us The Best of Staying where he played Donald Trump.
That was I didn't get a chance to watch it.
I wanted to watch it, but I never got a
tend to. But that was a lot more interesting because
you even though you kind of knew some of the
stuff about Donald Trump, you didn't know as much.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Right, well, it was also the early days of Trump.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
It was early days.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
I wanted to watch that because I don't know, you don't.
It's so weird because like Trump circa twenty fifteen versus
Trump circa everything before that is a very different person,
very very different. And I kind of did want to
watch that movie to be like, oh, yeah, this was
what it was like when Trump was. I mean, he

(34:35):
was still like a celebrity, but it's like, you know,
kind of mostly an average person, average compared to yeah,
average rich person, you're right, compared to political zeitgeist.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
It wasn't doing any of this stuff back in the day,
like everyone yeah, magnet, magnet, Well, how can I say
this magnified? He was magnified and everybody loved him all
or at least respected them at least.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
And that's how it was.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
And that's why I want to see the movie so much,
because I want to see how he became into power,
even though I kind of know how he got into power,
you know, I.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Just want to see it from a movie standpoint. Right.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Well, then it only stayed in like the eighties too,
so it was like, oh that that's also nice because
then then it doesn't lead into the early two thousands,
and it's not like a no I guess, like a
hit piece or anything I was generally interested in. Apparently
he didn't want that movie released. He to fight it, yep,
because I guess he thought I was gonna make him
look bad. I don't know, but and maybe they maybe

(35:34):
they did kind of lean in a certain direction more
than the other. But I don't know. I haven't been
able to see it, but I do. I am interested
in that one.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Well, I say, that's really no celebrities, because, like I said,
everyone shows their life on the internet so much so
you kind of know everything about every celebrity.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
That is true. I can see like a like a
Justin Bieber biopic coming out. Yeah, I hear the side,
but not Lift Lifetime. It could maybe so, but like
I can see that happening because you know, Bieber was
huge for a while and a lot of people just

(36:12):
like you know, hated him to hate him, right yeah,
and then you know he kind of becomes warm adult
and he starts like, you know, being a bad person,
like peeting in buckets and doing all kinds of outrageous things,
and people are like that Justin Bieber, he's he's doing
all these things because he's a celebrity.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
And then like one little period, he did have that
one period where he was kind of messing.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Up, and then a few more a few more years later,
you you kind of find out like, oh, like the
Diddy stuff, he was hanging out with Diddy a lot
back then.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Right well, he was getting to take advantage of my
producing and stuff like.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
That, exactly. Like so I think that that story would
be interested to tell on the screen, just because you
know what's been going on with Diddy and like the
revelations of like, yeah, him being taken advantage of and
like all this other stuff. I think that would that
would be an interesting movie to watch. But you know,
as far as biopics go, that's that's what I'm thinking.

(37:06):
I think Bieber would be a big one. And then
I don't know, I could see mister Beast depending on
depending on how the next few years go for him.
If if he gets back into the light, yeah, I
can see one. If if he kind of continues to
decline the way he's been declining.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Well, he's not declining.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
He got the little show to come on Netflix and
stuff like, let's just put it out here.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
He's not. I don't know what he's doing. I have
no clue.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
I just something about him behind this smile. I just
feel like the lies some bs that we don't know about.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
You're right there. You know, there's a lot of accusations
going on. And then also I don't know, just I
think people are just becoming very skeptical of him. Like
at first it's like, oh, he's doing all these things
like help out and doing all these great things and stuff.
And then especially when like Lunchley came out, the Lunchable
version of like and I don't know whatever else they

(38:01):
were trying to sell. Yeah, I think that when that
came out, people started looking at him differently, and then
like the Squid the Squid Games Beast Games thing he
has on Amazon. There's a lot of lawsuits from that
because I guess like people weren't treated right on set
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, that's what I so.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
I think that's like opening some people's eyes. I don't
really know if anything's gonna come up it either or
maybe maybe it'll get washed away, maybe it'll get worse,
who knows. But I can see a biopick of him
coming up, because he's he's been pretty pretty big as
a as a celebrity over the past couple of years, at.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Least he's been. He's been very talked about. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah, we're gonna move on from this biopic conversation, James,
I didn't mean the didn't mean for the last so long.
I I found two pieces of news from the Hollywood
Reporter that I found kind of interesting, all right, and
we don't have to stay on them for too long.
But Sing Sing, which is Coleman Domingo's newest movie.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, which I want to see on the wind Come
was out though.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
It's it's releasing simultaneously in theaters and in prisons.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Wow, yeah, I wonder why. I mean, well, I think
I know why, because as well, it's about a young
man being in prison.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yeah, apparently it's about it, says sing scene which follows
a group of men enrolled in a prison theater program,
will screen inside correctional facilities in California, New York, Texas,
and forty three other states. Maybe not California so much anymore,
but right. The unusual release is thanks to a collaboration
between a twenty four Rehabilitation through the Arts RTA, the

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real life nonprofit organization on which the film is based on,
and in DOVO, a nonprofit that a nonprofit that creates
curricula for incarcerated people to access via tablets, and more
than one one one hundred correctional facilities across the country.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, so that's cool.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
That was interesting.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yea, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Also, it's just like, oh, it's being released in theater
in prison, kind of random.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
But this is a smart's smart marketing.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Though it is smart marketing. But you know, some people
would say, like, why do prisoners need to watch this movie?
But you know, I if it's part of a rehabilitation
thing where it's like, hey, yeah, you might be in prison,
you might have made some mistakes or done some horrible things,
but you can still join these programs. Yeah, it's always
yeah to take yourself like, you know, speaking of California,

(40:25):
obviously the fires that have been going on, there's been
some stuff out there that's saying like, oh, they're sending
prisoners to fight the fires. I don't know if you've
seen anything about that.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, that's thing, some stuff about it. I don't think
it's true.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Well, I happen to know because a few years ago
I used to work on like multiple different kind of
podcasts as a freelancer, and one podcast that I would
work on that I actually really enjoyed editing and listening
to as I edited it or produced it was this
podcast called More Than a Felon and it was hosted
by a guy who was in the like the California

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Correctional facilities. And they have a program where you can
go and train and learn how to be like a firefighter.
And I think it might have been like for reduced
time or eventually you got reduced time or whatever, and
they did pay you, but they paid you like a
prison rate, right, so it's like four dollars an hour
or some ungodly amount of money or not ungodly, but

(41:22):
like poor amount of money.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
You know.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Some would argue like, well, you're in prison, but you
know that's neither here nor there. So that's what the
podcast would be about. It was just like how to
rehabilitate yourself, and you know, talking about the firefighter program
and all this stuff, and he still leads that program,
like or he still leads a program in California. I
think it's a California where he works with felons and

(41:49):
you know, helps them train to be firefighters and puts
them through like a like the training and stuff like that.
Because that helped him, that saved him when he was
in prison, and that I thought it was great. I
thought it was a very noble thing because it's like, oh, yeah,
that's that's a great way to reform your life. He's
also like, hey, look like you might be in prison,
but if you join this program, when you get out,
you got a government job.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Ye with it. There's nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
You're set up with a government. You know, it will
keep you in shape. It's it's a good program and
all this stuff. And so when I saw like these
news clips of how like oh they're putting they're making
prisoners fight fires, or they're sending prisoners to fight fires,
I was like, well, yeah, yes, and no, it's they're
not forcing these guys to fight the fires.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
I mean also too, at the same time, you kind
of need all.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
The help you can get, don't you think, Well, yeah, exactly,
because the California government kind of let California down.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Everybody has California down, the government, the marror, the electoral everyone,
everyone in town hall, everybody has let these people down.
I'm like, you kind of need everyone's hill. So it's
kind of I wouldn't just shun away anybody that's helping.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Out right exactly. And yeah, so I I don't think
it's like it's not an abusive situation. I just thought
it was interesting that like that kind of popped up
and I was like, oh, once again misinformation misinformation. Yeah,
but I was like, it's one of those things where
it's one of those rare times where like, oh, no,
I actually know about this, Let me educate you, you know.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Man, Well, I'm glad, I'm glad you said that, because,
like I said, it's just so much misinformation, man, that
goes like anytime you have these natural disasters or terrorists
terrorist attacks, it's always so much inform misinformation. And I
want to get to all this stuff off the internet
without even trying to do any research.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
The first thing they see on threads or x.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
They run with, yeah, well, a lot of people have
a bad habit of just reading headlines, and I I
have a bad habit of that as well. But yeah,
you just read the headline, You're like, oh, this is happening, okay,
and then you go about your day and you spread
it along. Yeah, so you gotta you gotta read some
stuff a little bit.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Man, just a little bit annoying. Is it so annoying?
It's so annoying, you know it is?

Speaker 3 (44:04):
So Moving on from wildfires in prison, the last story
I have for you for this segment, James, is about
Mel Gibson, Everyone's favorite mad Max, speaking of Yeah, right,
that would have been a good lead in I should
That's what I should have said, speaking of wildfires, James.

(44:25):
But so Mel Gibson was recently on the Joe Rogan podcast, right,
and he was talking about the Passion of the Christ sequel.
I don't know if you knew this, but he's making
a sequel to Passion of the Christ. He's been working
on it for like seventy years apparently, and it's called
the Resurrection to Christ. And apparently it's going to be
like part of the setting is just going to be

(44:46):
like Hell. So he was talking about how crazy it's
supposed to be. He's like, I'm well, okay, here goes.
He says, there's a lot required because the script is
an ascid trip. I've never read anything like it. There's
some crazy stuff, and order to tell the story properly,
you have to start with the fall of the angels.
You're in another realm. You need to go to Hell,
you need to go to Shield. So I don't know

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where Jesus comes in in this picture. I don't know
if like Jesus is gonna be bottling his way out
of Hell. But that that just got me not interested.
But I was like, oh, that'd be that's kind of
a fun thing to talk about.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, I mean, look, I was required. I mean I
wasn't required, but I saw it.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
I remember when I saw the first one, when I
saw the first it sounds weird saying when I saw
the first Passion of.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
And you know, I.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Saw it and my mom took me, and it was
it was an emotional it was an emotional movie. Of course,
if you're not religious, of course you're just gonna be
laughing at this movie and make all type of jokes
and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
And if you are religious, you're gonna you're gonna love it.
You know. It's it's a tricky it's a tricky topic.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
It's always a tricky topic when you talk about religion because,
like I said, you got.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Some people that are not.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Obviously I'm not the most religious person. So because as
the years have gone and I've gotten older, I've seen
I've seen how religion can turn people, yeah, evil, So
I've I've seen those type of things before. But I
low key I will be lying up. I'm saying I'm
not gonna watch it. I'll be mine because I did

(46:26):
like Passions of Christ, and he did film it very
very in my opinion, he filmed it very very good.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
I know, people don't stop talking about it. I've never
seen it. That's so I haven't seen it. I'm pairly
certain how it ends.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
So yeah, yeah, it is on a sour note, but
it is, but it also but.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
It is a little high. It is on a sour note,
but it leaks up to a good sequel. I guess
it's a long time to get to the sequel, a
twenty year old sequel.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
I wonder what's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I can't wait to see it.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Man, right, Apparently he's gonna film it in English this
time around. He's not gonna do like Arabic or Hebrew.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, which I like that too.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
By the way, he made the whole film here, I think, Yeah,
I think it was Hebrew, Hebrew Eric and I liked it.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
I liked it. That was the most reed I've ever
done in my life.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, I mean that, that's probably what made it like
really impressive. Right you go. You went the extra mile
of doing this. You didn't have them all speaking English.
You actually went the mile of like having your actors
know Aramic and Hebrew and all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
This is gonna be a controversial film when it comes out. Uh.
I definitely can't wait for it.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
But I don't know. I'm just curious about this. This
acid trip quote unquote, his journey to Hell. He's gonna
produce like, I like, how is that gonna like? Because
the movie, I mean obviously the first one did so
so well and it's well regarded. So it's like, what
are you gonna do when when your old Christian ladies
go to see this movie and it's like, oh my gosh,
there's Harold and the Devil.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
I mean, they're probably gonna be see, I'm trying my best,
have to go on my soapbox, but they're probably gonna
be like, oh, yep, this is exactly what it's like,
exactly what it's like. Yeah, you know, it's it's it's tricky, man,
It's tricky. Like I said, if you're not religious, you're
gonna think it's a complete joke.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
If you are.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Religious and you're heavy, heavy into religion, I mean, you're
probably gonna be like, yep, this is exactly what's gonna
be like.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah. So the sad part about it is if you
if you're saying like this is exactly what's gonna be like.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
You would think that you would be a better person
and not be a total douchebag. If you're being a
so called Christian, it's like, yeah, this is what's gonna
look like you keep treating people the way you treat people.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Yeah, boom, people are nice, boom. What would Jesus do? No? Maybe,
probably probably not going a journey through Hell. I don't
I don't know if Jesus would never do that.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
But I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
I don't even know if like Jesus is going to
be in Hell in this movie. I think it's a
setting at the beginning of this film.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
Yeah, I think it's just gonna be a setting and
then we we'll, you know, go back to where when
a movie left off at And I know I saw
somewhere where Mel Gibson said they go to the Agent.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
They're going to the age of the guy that played them.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Yeah, they're gonna de agent by like twenty years, ten years.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
The man who played his Jesus is Jim Caviezel. Yeah,
Jim he played in that child Traffick movie that came
out like a year or two ago.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
And then everyone had conspiracies about it because like they
went to the theater to watch it and the theater
shut down or whatever, like, oh, they're trying to stop
the message. And I'm like, if you've never worked at
a theater, you know, like every day, on a daily basis,
like two or three of those projectors just don't work sometimes,
Like it happens more often than you would think, right,
because like as a as a customer or as a guest,

(49:48):
you're like, yeah, I've never I've only encountered this like
maybe one in like twenty five times I've been to
the movies, but like after working at a theater, it's like,
oh no, this is a daily occurrence.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
He also was in the TV show They Call on
CBS two, by the way.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
It was like, uh yeah, it was like an action
TV show that was really good too.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
It was like that show.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Oh good for him. Yeah, don't think he's doing much nowadays,
which is why I think he's coming back to play Jesus.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, I mean I think he does something.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Like I said, I think he does, like so a
couple more things here and there. You know, it's very indy.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
They shouldn't age him up, or they shouldn't age him down.
They should have them be the age that he is.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
And then.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
That way, if people are like, oh Jesus, you look
so old, he can be like, yeah, well death makes
you age.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
I don't see you think about it.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Is.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
In my opinion, he still looks good for his age,
so I didn't think he knewed to the age.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
He still looks the same.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
No, but you know, everyone's doing the d aging now.
But I just think it would be kind of funny
where it's like, oh my gosh, Jesus, you changed so
much in three days, like, yeah, I died, like it
makes you age. I don't know if it's very stressful
on the body to die and come back. Oh, the
chapter of the Bible they don't include.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
That's funny, that's fuddy.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Yeah, you die and come back.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
We're on a cruise.

Speaker 6 (51:13):
With Jacob and James Hollyhula girls about Jesus.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Enough about prisons and monkey men and whatnot. I want
to talk about creature commandos for a little bit before
we get out of here. So you didn't get a
chance to finish it, right, You said you only got
like a couple of usodes in.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Still, no, I didn't, but I saw like the cliff
notes and stuff, so I kind of know what's what
you know.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Well, I'm not gonna spoil the story too much because,
for one, there's not like a huge story there like
the way they do the episodes. That being said, I
did like Creature Commandos. I thought it was great. You've
seen the first couple of episodes, so you know, like
the music and it is. I like the music. I
like I like the songs they picked because they were weird,
they were wacky. They were kind of like off off brand,

(52:18):
like they're not the mainstream, which kind of makes sense
because like Creature Commandos, you've got a bunch of monsters.
It matches, it meshes well. And then you know, they
made the songs like coincide with the themes of like
the different episodes, like whatever's going on. If they're doing
this this character's backstory, they have a song that kind
of matches it or it kind of works for that character.

(52:39):
And I thought that was really great. I thought it
was really smart, really well made, really well produced backstories. Again, fantastic.
That being said, the season, I wish the season was
like longer. I do, yeah, well, because like I guess,
like the way the story goes right, because yeah, it's

(53:00):
not singular missions. These monstras are going on. It's it's
one overarching story and half those episodes are taken up
with the fact that they're showing these creatures backstories, right,
So I just feel like by the time you get
to the end of it, like you're really starting to
get into the show, and then it ends for the season,
which I get it. It's marketing, it's you know, it's

(53:21):
getting people amped up for the next thing and getting
people excited for the next like DCU thing. And I
kind of think fans are hyping it up a little
bit too much because I've seen things where people are like, oh,
this is such a great thing for the DCU. I'm
so excited to see what James Gun is bringing to
the table, which is fine, everyone's excited to see what
James Gun's bringing.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
I've verd the opposite because that's why people talk about
it that much. Honestly, really, I haven't heard when people talk.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
About a lot of praise and a lot of people
just going like, oh, yeah, this is solidified James Gun
for me, He's going to do great in the GCU
and blah blah, and that's fantastic. That's fine. I'm not
dogging James Gun here. I just think it's like, Okay, well,
I don't know, he didn't like break the mold with
this show.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
It was a safe it was a safe bit, it
was a safe movie, a safe movie.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
It was a safe show to start with.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Right, Well, I mean also, it's like DC's done this
before Doom Patrol, the live action version of Doom Patrol,
which not a lot of people probably saw it because
it's streaming on Max. Right, it's only ever been on
HBO Max since it began. But Doom Patrol does the
same thing. You have this cast of wacky characters. You
got a robot man, you got a psych a girl
who' schizophrenic. You got a stretchy lady, you got a

(54:31):
a radiated man pilot who like he's like the Invisible
band right, he's all in bandages and stuff. Their leader
is kind of like a Charles's Exavier type, except like
kind of minor spoilers for Doom Patrol, you find out
like that guy had a hand in making all those
characters the superheroes that they are, Like he calls the
accidents for the robot man to get his brain put

(54:54):
into a robot, and he did all these things in
the in the background. But they're all their backstories are like,
you know, kind of emotional and such. The same thing
with Creature Commandos. So I'm like, Okay, the formula is
not it's not new.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
It was not breaking the mold or anything, you know.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Yeah, and I see people talking about James Gunn as
if like he's the one who invented that. I was like, guys,
we need to come down a little bit, like, yeah,
it's a great show, but like, he didn't invent this.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
It was a very solid start, yeah, the beginning of something.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
But what concerns me about this hype James is could
the fan base turn on James Gunn like they did
on Schneider Because you remember the days of Schneider before
Man it still came out, or before Batman v. Superman, really, right,
Schneider was like the comic book movie guy for a
long time. He did three Hundred, he did Watchmen, He

(55:46):
did that Sucker Punch movie which I don't remember that's
based off a comic book. But I if it is
surprised me. He was like the like he had the
big blockbuster comic comic book movies, which is why he
was brought into the DC University do Man of Steel,
and then he makes Batman v. Superman and then everybody
turned against them.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Well, I'm not gonna say that, because he still has
a hell of a fan base that that's pretty.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Much like a cult now.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
They they haven't turned against him, Like if you're a
Zack Snyder fan, you're a fan for life.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
They haven't got websites dedicated to this man.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
That's that is fair. But a lot of people do
dislike him.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
I mean, I dislike him definitely because I mostly because
of the fair base and mostly because of the fan base.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I'm just like, you guys are delusional. You guys don't
see the bigger picture. All this movies are all the same,
you know.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Is there's a reason why I have this a dis
thing for his movies, you know, three hundred the same.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Yeah they do have the same look though, Yeah they.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
Have the same freaking look. And rebber Moon really done
it for me. This was this was what really really
the top me all I said, I'm done with this.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
But those are those movies are like Zack Snyder unchained right,
because he's got full creative control on those. I'm interested
to see what happens with gun. I hope, I hope
people don't turn on him, you know, I mean, I
I think I understand what you say about Zack Snyder.
I don't think what you say is outrageous, but I
don't know. I do feel bad form in a way
because like how DC handled him exiting.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Oh yeah, no, it was it was a bad It
was a bad all the way around.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
The DC Warner Brothers screwed them over, and like I said,
it was a bad handling.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
All the way around, all the way around. It was
a pr nightmare. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
So I hope the same thing doesn't happen with James
Gunn or I hope the fan base isn't as like
feverish as ay they could be.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
But it's hard to tell.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
I mean, because you're gonna have people as James gun
fans like James Gun like Zack Snyder colts. Yeah, it
will be like, oh, well he done nothing wrong, it's
just fine, everything's just fine, right, you know, It's hard
to tell with.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Like expectations so high. It's like even if if Superman
does come out and it's it's a great movie when
it comes out, but like if your expectations are so high,
what if it doesn't hit those expectations, and like how
is the fan base going to react? Where it's like, yeah,
I liked it, but it was pretty just okay. I
don't I don't know if he's gonna should be the
champion of this university anymore.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
I think I think this Superman movie is gonna be
probably on par with the Batman movie that came out,
where people loved it, they liked it.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
It wasn't the best movie in the world. It was
better than The Dark Knight for some people.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
So I think it's gonna be probably be on par
with that, Yeah, because I know a couple.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
People that don't.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
They don't like the Batman that much either, right, And
you know there's a couple of people that we work with,
people that we know. I know, I know Richard. Richard
doesn't really he likes it. He likes the movie, but
he doesn't he doesn't love it.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Well, even my opinion on the on the Batman movie
right where it's like I liked it, but at the
same time, it didn't like it didn't give me anything
new with the Riddler being the like me knowing it
was the villain was a Riddler kind of took me
out of it, right, because like it's a mystery of
like the Zodiac person, the Zodiac ask killer, right, and
then the whole time you're like, well, it's the Riddler.

(59:12):
He's gonna find out the Riller. He's gonna defeat the
Riddler kind of thing. Although I again I've said this before,
I do like that the Riddler did kind of win.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Yeah, he did win.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah, So that was my opinion on it.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
So I think that I think that's what a Superman
moves in my honest assessment.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
That's why I think to Who's gonna fall, It's gonna fall.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Somewhere between it where it's like, hey, we loved it.
It was a great, great start. You know, it wasn't enough.
It wasn't like ah Donald Justice, where you like you
need to scrap everything and throw it a trash and
start over again.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yeah, but it's gonna be somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Yeah, that's good expectations I have, James.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yeah, so it's gonna be somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
That's great expectations.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
But if it's better than it, hey, uh, I already
exceeded my expectations, I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
So but without being said, you definitely try to finish
Creature Commandos when you can. It's it's a good show.
It is a very well made show, and I did
enjoy it. I just I don't want the fan base
to like get too excited, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Oh yeah, no, I'm understand this is going to happen.
It's gonna happen. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
So, uh, without further ado, James, I don't know. I
Do you have anything else you want to discuss before
we get out of here?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Oh that's about it. They waste, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
We did. We are spent, we are empty. We have
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We'll read your emails on the show and we'll discuss
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the go. James is on the go. We are all
on the go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Both de