Ep. 86: Do or Die for Knicks & How To Lose When Scoring 126 Points - 05/27/25

Sean Brace and Sean Barnard talk #Knicks-#Pacers Game 4 and the #Thunder taking a 3-1 series lead against the #Timberwolves.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, everybody live, Picks and Roll, Chanbra Sean Bernard coming
your way talking all things NBA playoffs. Of course, we
got a three to one series over in the West,
a pretty different story, a much different story going on
in the East. And we're gonna talk a little bit

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about the Nicks and Pacers. Pacers are two and a
half point favorites to twenty and a half. That's coming
your way in just a second. But of course, last night,
big time win by the Oklahoma City Thunder for them
to take a three to one series lead. Sean Bernard,
how was your Memorial Day weekend? Sir?

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Pretty uneventful, won't lie to you. Pretty much worked the
whole time. So who was Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
I hung in there, you know, relax, watch some hoops,
watch some baseball. Overall good vibes.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Can't complain, And I'm kind of a little bit sad
about the NBA officially winding down here. So we're hitting
the home stretch of dive into the full NBA draft,
for which I'm excited about that, but disappointing the action
winding down.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, NBA Finals coming away June fifth, It gets started
June fifth, and then we'll only have one series left
in the full NBA schedule season that took place all
of last year into this year. It's a long damn
season and it's all coming to an end very very
soon here. Who will be playing? Who will be winning

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at all? I wonder if Shampannhard already has the answer
to that question. I'm pretty sure he could go ahead
and tell us with certainty who he believes will be
playing in the NBA Finals the Championship. We'll see, But
I think a lot of people out there, including the
odds makers, are ready to hand this bad boy over
to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Let's start there. Last night,
the Oklahoma His City Thunder went into Minnesota after getting

(02:00):
absolutely smashed on Saturday one forty three to one oh one,
a game where they were three point favorites in and
they ended up, like I said, getting just actually the
doors blowing off of them. Minnesota comes back three point
dogs at home. Some people were trying to talk themselves
into that they almost got it due to a few

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free throws at the end. Tough break there. The bottom
line is Oklahoma City gets the job done. Actually I
apologize they did cover the number. Damn. Yeah. So if
you did take Minnesota, you know, heads off to you
on that one nice call. I was on Oklahoma City
Thunder and I said, you know what, man, I'm gonna
roll with the Thunder in this when I thought that
they were going to win by a hell of a
lot more of a margin than three points, one twenty eight,

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one twenty six. I guess the big question I would
have for you right now, Sean is this, how do
you lose a game? How do you lose a Western
Conference final game at home when you score one hundred
and twenty six points? That's really hard to do?

Speaker 3 (02:59):
In an excuse, Yeah, And to add a little bit
more to this, that last night, the Timberwolves led the
game and rebounds, assists, points off turnovers, fast break points,
points in the paint, second chance points, free throw attempts,
free throw makes, field goal percentage, three point percentage, and
free throw percentage.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
And they lost that basketball game there.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
That was a great dad they trail in What stat
did they trailing besides the final score?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, points is a big one there. But honestly, like
I do think the Timberwolves outplayed the Thunder for the
large majority of that game and gave them everything they
can handle. That to me, like the takeaway is that
was a grown up championship quality victory by this youthful
Oklahoma City team. I do think Minnesota pushed them and
gave them their best punch there and played really good
hoops overall, but the Thunder just have too much and

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had an answer for every little run that they went
on there. I think Minnesota let themselves get down a
little bit too much early and it was never out
of reach, like it was only a within striking distance
through I believe eleven points was the largest lead of
the game, but the Thunder did kind of control where
the gap was through there, and Minnesota was never able
to fully cut that, so it got closed throughout. We
got the tie game, three point game, five point game

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throughout pretty much that whole constant second half, but they
were never able to ultimately shift the tables and take
control of that game. Shake Gotos Alexander showed up and
looked like an MVP when it mattered, dropped forty points,
a Thunder franchise record in the playoffs. There so got
to give these boys their flowers that this Thunder team
is growing up right in front of our eyes, and
they just seem to have an answer for every single
things and little things like starting Alex Caruso in the

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second half over Hertenstein to go small and have a
little bit more success, chasing Anthony Edwards around screens. They
just have enough bodies and enough options to answer whatever
is they're in their direction.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeahesjay finished with forty. The question I would have on
that one is, you know, and again it comes down
to the final score. That's what it's all that matters,
is if whether or not you won or lost the game,
especially when it comes to the playoffs. So here we are,
and you look at the box score and SGA went
thirteen for thirty two of seven from downtown of course,

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free three tow free throw merchant himself twelve four team regardless,
who cares about that? But man thirteen to thirty feeling
like AI back in the day. But still, you know,
the difference is as I said, number one, you get
the victory. I don't care. Number two is he is
the MVP of the league. He's going to get his
shots off. That's what you want. On the reverse side,

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you look at what Ant did. We'll talk a little
bit more about that, but we talked. I just brought
up all On Iverson. Iverson wasn't getting production from Eric
Snow or Theo Ratliffe or Aaron McKee or Kimy Matambo
to the point of what Jalen Williams was doing with
thirty four or Chet twenty one. So it was a

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really interesting point box score, you know, box score from
the points perspective. In my opinion last night, What is
your takeaway with SJ, because again, remove the whole it's
about winning. Did SG have a good game in your
mind last night? Oh?

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, I think he absolutely had a good game last night.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
And it honestly like those numbers look worse than it
felt to me that it did not feel like he
was chasing shots. Yeah, and throughout the game as a whole,
like I mean, we saw like the core of this
Thunder team, which is Jayalen Williams and Chet Holgren, who
both also played excellent we got thirty four points from
Jalen Williams, who looked every bit the co star that
Shay gotis Alexander needs to be chet Holgren looking confident

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twenty one and seven, hitting a couple really important threes
in that game and showing no fear of the moment.
And defensively he was awesome as well, had a couple
nice blocks and just kind of deterrence at the rim
that really made an impact there. So I thought the
core of the Thunder stepped up and that's all you
can ask for. So while the raw numbers might not
look great in the flow of game, like, I felt
like Shay approached things absolutely correctly, and if anything, I

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would throw more of a critique on a guy like
Anthony Edwards who did not come out looking like that.
To attempt two field goal attempts in the first half
is pretty unacceptable, and like to defend him a little
bit because I saw his postgame answer here. He's right
that they're throwing doubles his team his way. He's right
that they're trying to force the ball out of his
hand and not let him good opportunities. But man, you're
Anthony Edwards for a reason. Man and sometimes you just
got to take on three four defenders if that's what's

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being your throwunder your direction and that's the best option
for their team. Shay has the benefit of having a
guy like Jaylen Williams that can step up. I don't
really think that Anthony Edwards does. And especially on a
night like last night when Julius Randall finished with five
points zero in the second half. That is the Julius
random roller coaster that unfortunately Minnesota sign up for. But
if we're comparing the two star guards there, I think

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Aunt deserves far more criticism for not being more proactive
and generating offense.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah. Look, you know over to Anthony Edwards, like you said,
and his answer at the end was I made the
basketball play, and you know I made the right move.
And regardless hand that you're at home, it's just not
good enough. You got to be in attack mode. Just
no one's gonna be upset with you. I would just
simply say he's twenty three, right, like he's going to

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have these issues every great player does. I mean, there
were times when we were saying the craziest stuff about
Lebron James, right, you know, like go back, let's run
the tape and what we were saying about Lebron James
ten fifteen years ago. Right, So he's twenty three years
old and this is a huge spot for him. Western
Conference Finals well by the way back to back season,
So not that bad of a start for the young guy.

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But at the end of the day, he'll know, he'll
he'll look back on this and he'll learn from it,
and he'll be a better ballplayer from it. I you know,
I wanted the Timberwolves to give them a little bit
more for a runner their money, but I just never
really bought into it. Oklahoma City is damn good and
it does start and end with their defense, right Like,
this is why we have to look at this team.

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And they gave up one twenty six last night, and
that's kind of like a little bit of an outlier.
But this team plays great defense top to bottom. Every
player out there is above average defender. I think that's
fair to say. And and that's why I look at
this team right now, and it's hard to say that
the Pacers or the Knicks are going to beat them,
especially if this season, if the series gets extended tonight,

(08:49):
if the Pacers lose tonight and this is now to
to two. I don't think either one of those teams
have a shot in hell at beating the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, and like the growing up that happened over this
place for Oklahoma City, to me was that Denver series
when they did go like toe to toe with Jokic,
who gave them the money's worth and frankly deserves a
lot of credit for pushing this team to seven games here.
But they are just so deep, they can go so
many different directions. Guys like lou Dort, Cason Wallace, Alex
Caruso Artenstein still doing his thing on the interior, who

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has not been as important in this series, but was
very valuable matching up with Yokich. And obviously that was
the hurdle that they could not clear last postseason. So
they just have an answer for everything here. There's some
pretty good articles that you can read up on with
making like a legitimate case for what a historically.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Great defense this is. And like I mean, the numbers
certainly back it up there.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
They haven't i would say, performed that well in this playoffs,
which has surprised me and in this specific series, referring
to like even a game like last night, finishing with
like you said, one hundred and twenty six points allowed.
I sort of expected this to be more of a
rock fight this series, where we're looking at like one
hundred to ninety nine kind of games and keeping it
in like an old school style basketball. But Oklahoma City's
had an answer offensively as well, and the fact that

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they can do all both sides of the ball is
really impressive. So yeah, they are the real For everyone
that was just skepticism because of the youth, they are
certainly proving them wrong. And I do think, like looking ahead,
regardless if it's nixt or Pacers, I think the thunder
A gonna be very comfortable favorites in that NBA finals.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
All right, Moving on here as far as the game
itself last night, and it was a good game. A
lot of points, scored, a lot of action. Again, the
only thing that's on television last night there was Stanley
or Eastern Conference final game in the NHL. I'll give
credit to that. Carolina did extend a series there before it.
There's been just an absolute beast. You know, people are

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tuned in, we're watching. I get it.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
At the end of the game, it.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Turns into a little bit of the free throw shooting
contest as all NBA games too, as all basketball games
do ninety five percent of them ending free throws. Why
were we all upset? Why was the timeline buzzing last night?
We need to change a lot people? You know, who's
the dude from Philly Voice he was tweeting or not

(10:59):
fat of boys? Actually don't know phl Y Kyle. He's like,
you know, like, Kyle, this isn't your first game, Like
I know you know the game. I know you know
the league, Like I don't know why we're all upset
and open arms last night, you know, and now we
got to change the rules and now we gotta like
what was your take on that? I get it, it

(11:20):
wasn't the most you know, appeasing to watch, understood, But
at the end of the day, it's it's basketball to
what happens.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, I mean, so as far as why last night,
I think it was such kind of a talking point,
as like, for the large part of that game that
was such an excellent just shot making showmanship there that
we're seeing guys like Jalen Williams, guys like Shake Gills,
Alexander Anthony Edwards, Nikhil Alexander Walker was excellent last night,
hitting these crazy shots, and then it's it's that build
up all the way to what should be the apex

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of the game, the crescendo of the excitement there, and
then it is just come down to free throws, which
did leave me underwhelmed. I think that was kind of
the full feeling there at the end of the day,
Like sports is entertainment, so I get the case for
trying to make it better, Like I certainly would have
preferred going to sleep last night after Anthony Edwards game
winning attempt, whether it went in or not, and we
ultimately did not get that. I certainly get the strategy,

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and the fair pushback is if you don't want teams
to foul, then don't be down three points like going
into this here, Like it makes sense when you're actually
talking about maximizing your chance of winning the game.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
But I guess it. I think last night was just a.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Clear example of like that felt like so much build
and building to this awesome finish and then that was
just kind of a letdown of an ending. But I mean,
you're right, this isn't an outlier. This certainly happens all
the time.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, I guess is there something Like I just was
taking a shot at people trying to change the rules,
as we often do on social media, but like, is
there a case to be made that, like that rule
needs to change, We need to add something there needs
to be if you're gonna follow, you get possession in
final twenty seconds. Like, I don't understand how we can
go about it differently. Again, it's just the way that

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these games play out. And you know, if it was
that easy, everybody would be doing it right. Like Minnesota
made it easy. They were catching the ball and the
backs to the basket and they get fouled. Anthony Edwards
brought it up. They got them three quarters of away
from the basket, you know, like Minnesota made it easy.
I'm always a guy that's like, yeah, foul, you know,

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put them on the line if and they weren't even
a bonus and they fouled right like they got to
the bonus. So I'm always that guy. It's never you know.
I know. Tim Legler was on ESPN last night talking
about how John Stockton got him one time with his
hand in the cookie jar and he ended up losing
the game with Washington against Utah Jazz way back when
I don't remember a time that I've ever seen that

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backfire sean and if it, if it does happen, that's
an outlier. So more teams should follow suit. With the
way Oklahoma City handled business last night.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, well, I think like what has changed or what's
become more commonplace now is we're always accustomed to, like
when the team's trying to catch up, to foul to
like force missus and then take threes. What's become more
common places teams in the lead doing it to kind
of prevent teams from coming back that like we're not
giving you a chance at a three to tie, We're
putting you on the line for two, I will say,
And I'm not a head coach, and there's probably a

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reason for that. Us I explained this, I would not
foul when I'm up here that my personal thoughts is
that's the only chance you have of losing the game. Like,
if let's say you do you don't execute properly here
that a team is able to launch a quick three
and you foul them on it, then you're putting the
line for three. Say they missed that third free throw,
get an offensive rebound and they got a chance to

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win the game. And again that is a small percentage chance,
but it is a chance there. So like that's kind
of my personal thoughts on it is like there is
still risk in this and and like it has happened,
there have been occasions where things do go south. The
Pacer had kind of a similar situation, not quite the
exact same thing, but where Haliburt missed a free throw
and that created a game or a game tying three

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in the previous series here. So like there there's a
lot of different ways basketball games can end. I think
like this will be a talking point and it would
not shock me if the NBA looks into way that
they can take this away just once again, because at
the end of the day, sports is entertainment. I do
think Adam Silver wants to improve the product in that
direction there, But I do think it's a little bit
of a much to do about nothing.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
All right, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, again, I just we always do it, and I
get it, and maybe maybe it shouldn't even bother me
because it is just the way it works as far
as the timeline is concerned.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
But I'm like, we just had a whole campaign trying
to get rid of the toush push like that, Like
everyone's always critiquing.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
It's always gonna be.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
That way always. You're right about that, all right. Oklahoma
City and the Minnesota Timbules, do you know to spread
for Game five?

Speaker 4 (15:33):
I don't. I'm gonna guess five and a half.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Eight and a half. Wow, all right, And I thought
that was a little light. To be honest with you,
I think they get absolutely the doors blown off of them.
Oklahoma City rolls in that Game five spot. Minnesota, though
they proven me wrong. You know, there have been times
where I'm like, they're just happy to be in that
spot and they continue to win. So we'll see what
type of effort they put up. But I don't think
either one of us are gonna sit here and say

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that Oklahoma City will not be in the NBA Finals.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, certainly, not bad, I do. I think that's almost
to guarantee.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
At this point.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
It wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
I'll say this, like, it wouldn't completely shock me if
you get one nuclear Anthony Edwards game to extend the series.
I don't think there's anywhere where the Timberwolves win more
than two that I do think Oklahoma City absolutely cleans
this up. But I do wonder what the Anthony Edwards
kind of self reflection is last night as he's leaving
the arena thinking and how that fires him up or
not for a game. But I mean, you mentioned it,

(16:24):
he's twenty three years old. Like, I think that we've
crowned this dude a little bit prematurely. And he's still
an excellent basketball player, don't get me wrong, but like
we're still very early in the Anthony Edwards career arc
and what he's going to become, and I think we're
seeing a little bit of the levels to a guy
who's the current MVP of the league versus where Anthony
Edwards is at right now.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, Shay was pretty spectacular, and again his box score
wasn't reflecting it. But he's so cool and calm and
just steady, great handles.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
And at the same time about the box score, he
was one rebound away from a forty point triple double.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
There's odd you know, Like the thirteen for thirty is
not something that I look at and I go thumbs up,
you know, But again, to win the game, I don't
care if he shoots fifty times and makes thirteen, win
the game. He did enough, His team did enough. There
now one win away from getting to an NBA Finals,

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and it would be a lot of fun to see
the Oklahoma City Thunder in the NBA Finals, as they've
been one at the best team, if not one of
the best teams in the league all season long. So
here we are anything else from Oklahoma City last night?
You know, Chet from the gambling perspective, I know that
there was a lot of hot conversation about his point

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props because it's low. It's fourteen and a half, fifteen
some shops, but mostly fourteen and a half. He doesn't
go over it every single time out. It feels like
he should. I just think like his role he knows,
you know, like if he's asked to shoot, he'll hit him.
But at the end of the day, man, he's hell
of a rim protective. You saw that swat at the

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end of the game was great. Your thoughts on the
gambling perspective, Is there anything that you're seeing right now
that maybe you'll take into the NBA Finals from a
player prop standpoint three pointers under? How we look in
as far as that is concerned.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, the guy that I was pretty harping on yesterday
through on DraftKings Network there was Fade and Isaiah Hartenstein.
And this is more for this specific series that I
just don't think this is the series for Hartenstein. Again,
we saw the importance of him out in Denver, but
I mean, looking at last night, he played sixteen minutes,
attempted one shot, finished with six rebounds.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
You're gonna get those numbers.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
His point prop was eight and a half yesterday, the
rebounding number in a similar range there. He's just not
seeing the minutes to kind of get that type of production.
So I don't think that. Probably we'll see what the
old overall matchup is and talk about the NBA Finals
when we get to that. But for next game, I
certainly think you can go that same direction that this
just isn't quite the series for Hartenstein.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
He knows his rule.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
He's hardly looking at the rim right now, and I
do think you can fade his numbers from a player
prop perspective.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Is he going to be the difference for this team
this year when they all do win it all, We're
going to look back at that signing and saying that's
the reason why they were able to Like again, it
was real easy they got dominated on the boards last year,
they go out there and bring him in and now
all of a sudden everything has changed. Is that the
ultimate difference maker in your mind from starting to finish.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
If they are the champions, he deserves all the flowers
for helping them beat Denver. But to be honest, I
would give Alex Caruso the edge for what he's brought
to this team. And let's not forget that trade, the
Josh Giddy for Caruso trade that brought plenty of heat
this offseason. Caruso has swung so many of these playoff games,
and I mean even last night led the bench with
ten points, played thirty three minutes off the bench. There,
had a pair of s deals, he was a plus

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eight and a two point victory there. That's kind of
the Alex Caruso story. And I mean, he's been impactful
from start to finish. You see the trust that they
show in him with kind of the expanded minutes, and
he also did an excellent job guarding Jocic himself in
that past series. So Caruso has been a little bit
of a Swiss army knife that they've been able to
plug in a ton of different directions. We know that
this dude has gampion should bring on his finger already.

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He is a guy who's built for the big moments
and like is a perfect winning basketball player. So I
think he's been an excellent addition to this team and
an even bigger difference maker.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Like that answer, Great stuff, Sean Bernard. Let's keep it moving,
and now let's talk about the New York Knicks and
the Indiana Pacers. And damn it, it's never happened before.
Teams that were down three have never come back to
win this series. And I think there's only been three
times a Game seven was forced in NBA Playoff history.
So the Pacers had the opportunity to put the foot

(20:34):
on the throats of the New York Knicks up by
twenty and coughed it up and lost the game. Now
they still lead two to one. This is a lot.
A lot of people, including Sam Austri, said that this
series is going seven. Well comes down to tonight's game. Now,
before we talk a little bit more about tonight's game,
let's hit the rewind button and talk a little bit

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more about what took place on Sunday night and how
do you blow that? How is that even possible for
the Pacers to blow that lead. And I get it.
We've seen it a bunch now and it's twenty points.
It's the twenty point threshold that these teams are able
to battle back. It's just amazing to me. But in
that moment, with that type of buzz and that type

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of energy and the history on the line and everything
that we know about it, and to lose that game
one to six to one hundred, John, It's the same
thing that I was asking after Game one, that loss
to the Knicks, like how do you come back from that?
And they did battle back in Game two, they ended
up losing. The Pacers were the better team, But is
that the type of loss for the Pacers going back

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to Game three on Sunday night? Is that going to
carry over in your mind tonight?

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
If I'm making a game plan for the Pacers tonight,
it is to not lead by twenty points. Whatever you do,
don't don't let it get to that marchin there, because
that seems to be trouble brewing these playoffs here. But like,
as far as how that game swung on its head,
the uncomfortable truth here is the foul issues directly helped
the next that win. Jalen Bronson and Karl Anthony Towns
both found themselves in foul trouble. What changed up the

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game on its head here is it forced Tom Thibodeau
to not have them both on the floor together. And
what did that lead to is the Knicks playing their
defense first lineups. We saw lineup combinations in Game three
that had never played a minute together across the regular season.
That's desperation on the side of the Knicks, but it
is something that worked out there. When they lean on
their defense first approach, which has been sort of the

(22:23):
identity of this Knicks team throughout these past couple of years,
that is where the game changed.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Now.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
The challenge with that is, Carl think downs to Dalen Brunston.
Obviously your two best players here, So how do you
kind of balance that. That is why I think Tom
Thibideau has got the most pressure of anyone in this
arena heading into this matchup tonight. You're gonna have to
find a balance to that. But they had way more
success leaning on their defense first lineups. I think they
got to go back to the well with that. I'm
not sure if he is going to do that, and
we know how stubborn he can be with his decision making.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
But honestly, why.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
That game completely flipped to me was because the Knicks
got in foul trouble and forced Thibodeau's hands at playing
his defense.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
First lineups, fifteen lineup combinations where it was had the
New York Knickson That, yeah, exactly what you pointed out,
where there were players that never played together and that
it was the first time we've seen that and it did.
It all goes back to the fouls on Brunson and
then therefore a little bit of the desperation change up,

(23:19):
and you just can't expect Fibbs to go ahead and
do that again tonight, can you, like, can you right
like you're saying Brunton and Karl Anthony Downs are your guys?
Are you gonna sit them now in the second quarter
out of nowhere because you had success in Game three.
I don't think Fibbs will do that number one, and
I don't think he should do that number two.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Yeah, I would be surprised if he does that again.
And that's kind of why I think the Pacers take
full control of these series once again. Like Karl Anthony Towns.
For as talented as he is, is one of the
more maddening basketball players I've ever seen. And the defensive
issues certainly speak for themselves, and we've seen that on
full display. The foul issues that is even more maddening
to me. And it's one thing to be in foul
trouble for a player like in general, I'm gonna use

(23:59):
your fouls, guy that I have no problem with getting
your money's worth there, but not all fouls are created equal,
and Karl that he downs fouls are never like hard
contests at the rim where he gets a shooter's arm
and prevents a layover coming across getting vertical and getting body.
They're constantly like forty feet from the basket, shoving guys
where swinging elbow directly in the posters. That's just the
most blatant offensive foul. That's the stuff that just cannot

(24:21):
happen for the caliber of talent that he is, and
this is constant. It felt like he cleaned it up
a little bit these pass like year or two. It
is on full display across these plaows. I mean, he
was horrible at that in the Boston series as well,
but that's been like the cat reputation and obviously like
what happens throughout his career here. So if Kat finds
himself in foul trouble again, which is a strong possibility there,

(24:42):
I kind of think that would help this next team tonight.
But I mean Tom Thibodeaux like has to dive into
the tape, take a look at what work and the
reality is it is staggering in these guys minutes and
leaning a little bit more defense first approach. The Knicks
can reach a defensive level that I don't think the
Pacers can, but they haven't played that way pretty much
all season and it's tough to make that level of
change now.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, and plus you're gonna have old man Haliburton in
the building. Wink. I'm sure he's been in the building.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Did you see the video of him at the bar
when uh no, all right, goog sign came out?

Speaker 4 (25:13):
That was pretty legendary stuff. But that was in New York.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
That was in New York. You don't think he was
in the building for Game three.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
It wouldn't shock me like that obviously, And to be
on record here, he should not have done that to
be honest whatsoever. But I do think in the larger
part here, like John Haliburton has been a pretty respectful
and like kind of every other time I've heard screw yeah,
he made a mistake there.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
He should not have done that whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
So it wouldn't shock me if he was like, let
me just stay out of the limelight and respect the
well wishes here.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
All right, that's interesting. Well, he's gonna be in the
building again tonight, and it's a fun talking point stupidity.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
How many times he gets shown? Do you think?

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Not too many? Because I don't think like you said.
I think he's gonna be laying back. But they're gonna
find him some way, somehow. Yeah, they'll find him. They'll
find him in the beginning and then you know, we'll
see what happens from there. But he will not be
on the floor. He's gonna be in a suite. So
that's good. All right. Well, again, they had the opportunity
to really take the series over. They still are up

(26:11):
two games to one, comes down to tonight because if
this series does get tied up to too not feeling
really good about the chances of the Pacers. But again,
long way Togo it all comes down to tonight two
and a half points spread. I am with you. I
do think that the Pacers handle business tonight and take
that three to one lead here two and a half,
two twenty and a half is our total. How are
we feeling about this one as far as the total

(26:33):
is concerned. Do we think that we're gonna see a
little bit more defense here or is just gonna be
wide open?

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, it's interesting to me. It's pretty fully dependent on
what the Knicks do. But my gut here is that
Tom Thibodaut doesn't make the adjustment and lean on what
worked that. I think he goes back to what has
kind of brought him here this season. That does play
Bronston and Cat as many minutes as their foul trouble
will allow. And assuming that there isn't any circumstances that
dictating changes that, which spells to me a highest scoring

(26:58):
affair pacer gonna speed things up, are going run, They're
gonna cycle through bodies. I do like the over, and
I do like the minus two and a half tonight.
There's been a decent amount of points in this series overall.
I believe it's gone over in three of the four,
if I'm not mistaken there that I think that continues.
I like the over tonight and I like the minus
two and a half?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Who is it? Who is it from the Pacers tonight?
Is it Pascal Siakam? Is it going to be a
Halliburton type of game? If the Pacers do take that
lead tonight? Who are we looking at?

Speaker 3 (27:24):
I I like Haliburton to have a better game tonight.
And if there is a fair critique of Tyrese and
this has been something that has Corner sort of sparked
up and limited his kind of ceiling in a lot
of these discussions for where he ranks in the NBA,
there are stretches where he gets too passive, and.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
We saw that in the previous game there.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
They needed him to play in attack mode there and
he didn't fully do it there. His stat line in
that game, but he finished with twenty points and seven assists,
which isn't bad. But you need more than fifteen shots
for the guy that is your best player. We got
the Pascal Siakam game. I also like Andrew Nemhart to
play a little better. We haven't had like an Nemhart
game in this series, and he was really impactful in
the last playoff front shot two for nine in the
previous game. I would make it like Game one.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Game one.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah yeah, but I mean, like last playoffs, he was
full out, like swinging games and being one of the
best players on the court. I kind of think he
could be an X factor type of guy tonight. So
Haliburton and Nemhart would be the two names that I mentioned.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
I'm sorry it wasn't them, Heart that one. Thank you. Yeah,
I'm an idiot, so you're right. I apologize. You were
right on that one. I should have known better. Yeah,
it's like, wait, hold up, game one he went off.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Were we talking game for sure?

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah? I forgot about that all right? Uh yeah, Haliburton
had twenty in the previous game. Here, siakam seventeen? He
was seven or fourteen? Uh? They ran ten deep, your boy,
Shepherd got They actually played more than ten if I'm
not mistaken here. But you know, you got to give
the Knicks all the credit in the world for battling back,
not panicking and coming back and winning that game. I

(28:48):
just cannot believe that they were able to do it,
and they deserve a ton of credit. But that's the
beauty of about a seven game series. You expend all
this energy and then got to get rid of it.
It doesn't mean anything now, So they're starting fresh for
another game. This evening Pacers have the advantage. It's only
two and a half points spread here. We'll see what
happens from the Knicks perspective. Where we looking there? If

(29:10):
it's not Jalen Brunson, are we going back to kat
who had a big fourth quarter? Is there's someone else
in your mind? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:16):
I mean again, I think defense is the message here,
but they also need Jalen Brunson to look a little
bit more like Jalen Brunson, like even with the foul
issues in the previous game in which he logged thirty
one minutes, finished with twenty three points one assist, which
is really uncharacterist from him, particularly across his playoff run,
that he's averaging about seven a game and has had
double digits a couple of times, that he's been really

(29:36):
good as a playmaker. There, shot six of eighteen from
the field, one of five from three of course, got
to the free throw line ten times there, so thirteen
points without the charity stripe there. You gotta get more
from the guy that is your primary creator. That's I
think if the Knicks are gonna win this, it's gonna
take a Jalen Brunson being heartless, being the baddest man
in the arena. He's capable of doing that, There's no
doubt about it. But I we'll see what direction dips goes.

(29:59):
I ultimately think all those points to a Pacers win tonight.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, I'm right there with you on that one. I
hope we are correct because I would like to see
the Pacers have an opportunity to wrap this thing up
and you know, not have to go into a seven
game series, and we'll have a little bit better of
an NBA Finals, I believe, because they just don't want
to see a team gas, especially having to go to
New York two out of the final three games. If

(30:25):
this does go seven, that would not be good for
the next upcoming And you know, look, the chances are
the West is gonna be wrapped up tomorrow, right, So
you're talking about an unbelievable layoff for one team and
then another team being pressed to seven games. So we'll
see what happens. Who knows, maybe that might be beneficial
for the next but it all comes down to tonight.

(30:46):
Tonight's a must win for New York. I'm pretty sure
stam Ostrich, we'd probably saying three to one. Hold up,
they still have life, but this is do or die.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yeah, Thirteen of two hundred and ninety four playoff occasions
team have come back from three to one, so that
four point four percent create the ride on if if
that's what Knicks want to sit on there. But the
bottom line is, I do give this next team props
for one in the previous game. It's a lot more
respectable to lose the series in five than getting swept there.
So shout out to you guys. You can hang your
hat on that.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, I agree with that, but I think I was
saying Pacers in five. So hopefully that will be the
case and we'll go about it from there. But again,
tonight two and a half points spread big one for
us to be watching here as far as NBA playoffs,
and listen to eight oh five, I'm sure it'll be
about eight thirty three off, so be ready for that one.

(31:34):
All right, Two and a half two twenty and a
half is our total there on DraftKings Sports. But keeping
it moving anything else you want to add on that
series on that game.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Not a ton there. I mean, Tonight's gonna be a
telling matchup here.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
I'm very curious once again, like my main message will
be here is the guy with the most pressure on
him in this entire arena will be Tom Fiboeau tonight.
And I don't think his jobs on the line or
anything like that. I think you have to view the
season as a success based on where they got to here.
But he's got some really tough decisions to make, and
like everything that you look at and the tape and
the metrics and the plus minus and where the game shifted,
it all had to do with Karl Anthony Towns and

(32:08):
Jalen Bronson not both being on the floor together.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
So we'll see how Indiana combats that.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
We'll see what the changes that Thibideaux does make if
we see Dehon Wright and Landry Shammitt playing minutes again,
because he has been so narrow with his minutes there.
So I'm really curious about this from the next perspective,
what direction they go and Thibdeau, obviously the man controlling
the cards.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
There, adjust to the adjustments. We'll see what happens. As always,
all right, keeping it moving, Let's talk a little bit
about the NBA playoffs. We have some other x's and
o or other odds and ends from the league. We
got the NBA Draft fast approaching here at the June
twenty third, twenty twenty fifth, I want to say twenty fifth. Okay, yeah,

(32:46):
it's a little bit later in the month. We'll be
all over it, of course. Seventy six or third overall pick.
Paul George on the podcast having some fun, pretty good
stuff there, and Michael Jordan rumors about why he's stepping
in and becoming a analyst to a point on NBC.
We'll talk about all of those right here, right now
once again, picks a roll, Sean Bernard here, let's talk

(33:09):
about the seventy six ers, no NBA draft. What are
we hearing? What's the latest? Where are we at? Do
we have this narrowed down to two players for the
third overall pick?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
It does feel like it's an Ace Bailey versus Vja
Edgecomb discussion here.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
I mean, Paul George being quite openly in.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Support of Ace Bailey on his podcast is kind of
bizarre to me, and I can't imagine that's the Darryl
Mory's favorite move here, he's too pg's like credit slash
defense here. He's been hyping up Bass Bailey since the season.
This was well before the Sixers had a legitimate chance
at him. That he's been preaching how much he believes
in this kid's talent. And I do sit in the
same camp that, Like, if I'm on the stand today,
I still would be selecting Ace Bailey. It does feel

(33:46):
like momentum has swung a little bit in favor of VJ. Edgecomb,
who I would certainly classify as the safer pick there,
but he's also a little bit more limited in the
level that he can get to. To me, I think
the handles a legitimate question there, and I him being
a six foot five guard also shifts a little bit
of what you can do from a roster kind of
construction standpoint there. So I do think it is down
to those two. The only other part that I'll add,

(34:07):
there's an eleven million cap hit for that third overall
pick here. The looking at the Sixers entire financial picture,
it would be very beneficial for them to move down
a couple of spots, and if they can drop the
five or seven when looking at the aprons and the windows.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
I'm sure Daryl Moorey will take every call for me.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
It's very important from the walk away with like a
real deal rookie, a lottery pick, a.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Top end talent.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
But if they can drop down to five or seven,
that's something that I would be open to. If you're
talking about adding a player as well.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Why are we not thinking that the San Antonio Spurs
will take Ace Bailey.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
It's it's been pretty universally viewed as this is kind
of a two player draft that it is Cooper Flag
the clear cut number one, Dylan Harper the claarcut number two.
To be honest, like, I don't see it quite that
way that Like, it's weird to me that Dylan Harper
kind of gets a pass for all the Rutgers stuff
versus that's the number one thing that sticks to Ace Bailey.
And if I'm gonna be completely honest about this, like

(34:59):
Dylan Harp, who was the guy controlling the cards. He's
the one that is the point guard that ran the show.
So for all these offensive issues that you're sticking to
Ace Bailey here, you gotta at least kind of acknowledge
them with Dylan Harper as well.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Now this is not me doubting him as a talent.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I think he's gonna be an excellent NBA player for sure,
But I don't think the gap is quite as massive
as some people make it seem.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
But from kind of the general consensus.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Of the league, it is viewed as those guys the
Claire cut top two picks.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
All right, So if the seventy six ers end up
walking away with a Trey Johnson or a Derek Queen,
are we viewing that as a positive if they move
back and able to, like you said, get something in
return for doing so.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, So the two kind of teams that have made
sense well for starters, I mean, obviously a team needs
to move up to three, and unfortunately it is kind
of universally viewed, as I mentioned, with the two player draft,
that things. The draft starts at three essentially here, so
team's got a one one of these guys pretty bad.
If a team falls in love with Ace Bailey, maybe
the Hornets or the Jazz who dropped in the lottery
and still don't really have a guy that's number one started,

(35:59):
that's something that can make sense. The Pelicans, who hold
the fifth pick is something that's really intriguing to me.
We can talk a little Herb Jones and the fifth
pick for the third pick, and the money that it
would need to work would be Kelly Ubre and Andre Drummond.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
There.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
That's a trade that I would accept ten times out
of ten. So depending on the context where they're selecting.
Konkin Nipple is a guy that I know are a
very own mark. Henry Junior absolutely hates there, but I
would be opening to open to adding to this roster here.
I'm not the biggest Trey Johnson guy or Derek Queen
a guy, to be honest with you, I like Malaak
a lot more. Those are kind of the guys that

(36:30):
kind of popped me. I like to do guys, all
of them in this draft here, and I still I
would be completely comfortable. There's taking Ace Bailey at three
of fours comes to worse. But if they want to
do the dance and move around a little bit, as
long as they're walking away with one of.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
The top eightish guys in this draft, I can live
with it.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, Danny A NGOs the Sixers, right, It's not the
Celtics anymore so to Utah jazz. Can he do some
some love we can he repay us back a little
bit for Tatum and Mark l Foltz. Can we get
a little love back from the jazz? But who knows?
We'll see again.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
What did they have? Five or four or five or
four four four? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (37:02):
The jazzer at the four jazz are five hornets four?

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Right, hold it up, now, confuse myself.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah, I was probably off on that one. I mean again,
it's the draft, and I know we get a little
bog down on it. But at the end of the day,
six is or third, that's all we get.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Jazz are five, Pelicans are seven? Is where I confuse myself.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Okay, gotcha? All right. Let's talk a little bit about
Paul George. And he did have an interesting thing to
say in his podcast. He's back. No, there's no you know,
NBA games holding him back from the microphone. So now
he sits down with Carmelo Anthony and they had a laugh.
And after the Eagles parade where we had the picture
of Paul George getting caught in the parade, which is

(37:45):
ridiculous in itself, he did say that, man, somebody yelled
to him, we should have kept Tobias, and he said
that that hit him, and then to Bias took the
social media and what through the record up after that parade.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
And him smoking a cigar with four and twenties seven
after the prey, which was the Sixers record by that.
I did a fact check that went back. You could
even go a little deeper because the losing streak was
going on leading into that. So if Toby really wanted
to be aggressive, you could have been like four and
thirty two on the time before that. But nonetheless, he
did start at that date there. I give Toby. Toby

(38:18):
took a lot of grief while he was here. He
obviously was not the right guy to get this team
over the edge. It's not his fault. The Sixers offered
him a contract, and I do kind of tip the
cap that this was fair game to take a shot here.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I agree. I agree. Yeah, it was fun, and you know,
that's what it's all about with the timeline. But you know,
it's interesting because Paul George, like Carmelo was like that
makes you lock it right. It's just like you know,
and I'm not trying to build Carmelo up, but I
sure as hell don't think the comments from fans play
into Paul George's mind and the way he plays and

(38:50):
approaches at all, so he could sit there and say
what he wants on the podcast, Show Me on the Floor,
Show Me on the Court. He came out and said
he was dealing with a bunch of men injuries. Yeah yeah, yeah,
like nobody wants to hear that nonsense. I will give
a shout out because we haven't spoken about this either,
but shout out Gilly getting on that podcast and saying

(39:12):
exactly how we how I have been feeling. Let's put
it that way. I'm sure and consensus across the board
sixer fans are right there, But damn, Gilly, I've I
respected that. That was some good stuff there, And you
know what, I'll get Paul George's credit for that, for
having him on his show.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah yeah, and that was awesome, by the way, And
Gilly no fear whatsoever that even like him going into
the Eagles locker room, the way he directly speaks to
these guys. Kus Watkins wanted to fight him. All this
stuff that has gone on in the kind of it's
Gilly's world. We're all living it in and I love it.
It's a better place because of that. But for the
Paul George conversation here, the thing like, obviously none of

(39:48):
this matters until we see what happens on the floor,
and nothing will change the perception until the production changes there.
But I will give him a little props to I
like what he've said. I've liked his responses to this.
I do think he's not running from it, that he
is just like taking things head on. That even in
that Gilly conversation and he's like, you're right, I need
to be better.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
We need to be better.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
This is not the expectation. And I think he's starting
to get Philadelphia a little bit more that. Like, to
be fair to the dude, this is a different world
than the one that he's lived in. This is not
Los Angeles where you're on like kind of the b
squad out there, with all due respect to the Clippers.
This is not Indiana, who of course have diehard fans
and our legitimate fan base, but it is.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
A smaller market here there.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
You're not gonna get quite the same passion or same
volume of care that is here in Philadelphia, Oklahoma City.
We're kind of in like a middle point of this franchise.
This is the highest expectations that he's ever played in
at the latest stage of his career, so this is
kind of a change in the game. I think he's
waking up to that a little bit. And again, it
is not his fault for why the season went off
the rails last year. We're gonna point the finger directly.

(40:47):
That starts with Joel Embiid unfortunately in his health situation.
So Paul George I think has at times got a
little bit more blame than he's deserved. But I do
love how he's responding. And now he's just got to
back it up on the floor, all right, sham and
I will.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
End on this one. And this one hit me over
the weekend. It was a long weekend. But Michael Jordan
is going to take the television next year next season
with NBC with their new contract with the NBA, and
I don't think Jordan's hurting for money by no means.
So I was pretty surprised. But you know, look, he's

(41:20):
getting up there in age, so he probably wants to
do something different, and credit to him. I'm fine with it,
but there was somebody and again I'm not saying that
this is factual, I'm not buying it because unless it
comes out of Jordan's mouth, who knows what he's thinking,
what he's saying. But this person floated this out there

(41:40):
and I saw it on the timeline, and then there
are quotes, but it's from NBC Sports executives, and that
is even second hand, these quotes that are coming from
So there's a lot that I'm like, not really buying
into it. But if this is truly why Jordan thinks
he or why one of the reasons why Michael Jordan
is coming back or coming to television for the first

(42:02):
time since he's been playing, I would be shocked. But
apparently he wants to come back because he thinks that
the argument about him being the goat is so toxic
and so, you know, just as far as wrong and
to these players of now that he wants to come

(42:23):
out here and really set the record straight. You know,
Like I've read a quote that said, people talk about
me like I've never missed a game. I did most part,
he did play majority of ninety five percent of his
games in his career, he was never hurt, so on
and so forth. But according to MJ he's tired of
people using him as a weapon to discredit the generations

(42:45):
that came after him. And I don't know if this
is going to be true, but you know what, it
would be pretty cool in my mind. I would respect it.
I would like it. It would be you know, because again,
Jordan could get up there and he can go shock,
he can go chuck. It's my world, shut up. I
know more than you. I didn't think he would. I
honestly didn't think Michael Jordan would be good on television,

(43:07):
to be honest with He's kind of calm and low key.
I don't know. That's just one man's take. We'll see
how it plays out. But again, if that's what he's
going to do, and one of the reasons why he
wants to come and be in front of a television set,
what do you say to that.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, I think there's no doubt that the Lebron versus
mj Got debate is as toxic as it comes. I
also find it hard to believe that Michael Jordan has
kind of is being motivated by his moral compass to
put a stop to this at this point in the game.
I just don't quite think that is probably the case.
What I think there might be some truth in there.
And Carmelo was kind of talking about this on pg's

(43:42):
podcast yesterday that he doesn't like kind of the dialogue
of basketball nowadays. And we've kind of seen the media
market be very diluted with the Skip Bayless of the
world and all this, like, you know, having the clickbait
headlines and making these outrageous claims is kind of leading
things rather than what are the actual exs and os?

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Why is this play happening? Why is this team able
to generate this look?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
So I think there could be something to the truth
of Michael Jordan wanting to swing the pendulum back in
that direction and to put things onto all on the
table here.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
This has not just been the random media members make this.
This is the shacks that have done this.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
There's plenty of other examples of that as well, So
maybe that might motivate him a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
We'll see what he ultimately has to say.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
I would have to hear that have to come directly
out of Jordan's mouth for me to kind of believe
that to be the case there. But I am sick
of the Jordan versus mj debates and I've never seen
a single person change their mind when having one of
those arguments.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Either, hey, Lebron's still doing it and it's had moments
on me where I'm like, man, how could you sit
there and say that Lebron's career wasn't you know Lebron
is just incredible at forty, still doing it.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
And also barely miss his games. I know he snuck
that in there on Jordan Lebron as well.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Lebron's true. You're right again, it's one A one b.
I don't have an issue if you sit there and
tell me that you'll take Lebron over MJ because again,
head to head, Lebron's got the size advantage. Man, it
would be really tough for him to beat him. But again,
it's not one versus one here or one on one.
We're talking about just NBA careers. But one of the
other things that came out from this medium here and

(45:15):
again I'm not too familiar with this report that put
it out there. Whether it's true or not, it's still
a little fodd er have some fun with it. But
he said some of Jordan's most loyal fans are already
spinning the news as a victory left for nostalgia. Yeah,
I was, you know, like, I can't wait to see
those old school NBC games where you know, he's going
up against the Lakers and the Trailblazers with the you know,

(45:37):
I can't believe I'm hitting all these three pointers, he said.
Mike told us flat out in quotes, and an associate
close to production if hearing it from him, is what
takes for these fans to stop disrespecting guys like Lebron's,
Steph or even hard and then so be it. He
wants the game to move forward. You know, I don't
think people disrespect Steph because of Jordan. I don't think

(45:57):
people disrespect James Harden because of Lebron. Yes, but the
other guys. I didn't really think that that was a factual. Again,
there's outliers, of course, but Steph, Yeah, is universally loved man,
for sure.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
I don't think that the James Harden stand should be
measuring that playoff resume against Michael Jordan. I will say that,
but I mean, I'll speak for myself on this, Like
I uh, you know, popped in this world in nineteen
ninety nine. Here didn't I get to experience like the
heyday of Michael Jordan. I'm looking forward to like hearing
what he has to say and getting kind of a
more up close view of who he is there that

(46:33):
like sort of my experience for him in the public
I have been pretty minimal, and like my first real
memory of him, like speaking all this was back when
he was operating as the Bobcatch GM or Hornage GM.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Now like that, that's kind of the only Michael Jordan that.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
I've seen here outside of, of course, watching all the
documentaries and clips and all the back end.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Of the day stuff.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
So I think it will be cool for people like
me who have not been able to, you know, see
who Michael Jordan really is on full display. So we'll
see how much he cares, how much he makes the
most to this and like what, you know, how into
this Michael Jordan truly is.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
But it could end up being very cool here.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, The Last Dance was pretty damn good. Very but
you know, that was really one of the first times
that since his playing days that he opened up. And uh,
maybe people haven't heard of it, but it was a
series on ESPN called The Last Dance. Yeah, Pandemic pushed
it up. Oh yeah, I still watch it. I still
watch it if it's on a matter of fact over

(47:26):
the weekend and I was watching it. It's great. Great
great job on that documentary, so last series that they
put up, all right, great job here Sean Bernard. Be
sure to follow him on all things socials. One winner
for tonight. Are we going with the Pacers?

Speaker 4 (47:40):
We are Pacers money line. We're laying it down.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Lay the minus one thirty five just to give yourself
a little bit of peace of mind. But I don't
think you should have any fear dropping the minus two
and a half either.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I'm with you on that. One. DK network is where
you can find Sean Bernard. It's a great content of course,
covers the six Ers Indy Association for us here on
the Gambler. Be sure to follow him and all things socials. Sean.
Good luck on all your plays everybody. Once again, if
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