March 10, 2022 • 46 mins
The pod takes a left turn right out of the gate as Leah and Teddi go into full-on investigation mode on a DM conversation Leah is having, to determine whether the person on the other end is the celebrity they claim to be, or an imposter.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of
Real Time Crime. I'm one of your host Leo Lamar,
and I have with me, I'm wonderful co host Teddy Mellencamp.
The pause is very essential. And then we also have
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with us of course, sometimes Dmitri. Hello, Sometimes hello Dmitri.
Something looks different about you today. Oh no, like like
did you do a fresh ship? Like something is new?
I don't know. There was a shadow on top of
his head and I thought he was wearing Oh wait, yeah,
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oh yeah, I trying. I'm trying on like a little
tough to hair. What do you guys think? Imagine we
come on the zoom and Dmitri just has hair. What
are you guys talking about? It was just the lighting.
It was the lighting all those times he just pretends
like everything's normal. Love that well, speaking of normal, today
we're not talking about anything normal. We'll be talking about
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Bill Cosby's sexual assault conviction. We'll be talking about a
woman who faked her own abduction. We'll be talking about
Carson Cressley dating an AX murderer who hasn't calm down,
you know, and then finally rounding it out with Anna
Delve the story that everyone is talking about. You guys,
I've really changed since Chris Cuomo came into my life.
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What's going on now? Not so? I never I just
I never responded again because I just felt very uncomfortable.
I just feel like I'm talking to a hacker, and
I'm like, am I developing a relationship with a hacker?
And that stopped you? That sounds like a reason you
would keep going it. That's so funny. Also, I'm just
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very curious to know. It's like, well, what what other
crimes have you committed? Sir? You know, because if it's
just like nerdy tech hacking, that's not so hot. But
if it is all in battery, let's talk. Let's be honest.
You're playing hard to get with the hacker. Would you
consider doing love is Blind? Leah? Yeah? I actually I
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actually would really enjoy watching you do that and then
your face as the person comes around, knowing that, like
you know, your main thing is head shots. I just
not being able to see somebody's face and then developing
a full relationship is I'm ready for it to happen,
Like I'm about to call their casting, but I'm not
against that. I think that's a good idea. I think
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that brilliant. I'll talk about it on two teas in
a pod. It'll be great, Thank you, thank you. I
think the funny thing will be when no one wants
to date me, They're like, we don't even care if
she's hot, her personality, man, damn. I think my voice
would turn away enough. They'd be like, they'd be like
and she just kept laughing at her own jokes, like
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I'm so intrigued. She keeps pausing for like seconds on end.
What's she going to say next? I should be on
Love is Blind. That might be the only way for
me to actually find I'm putting it out into the universe.
I think it needs to happen Leah on next season
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of Love is Blind. I'll start watching recapping. Dmitri can
produce it. We can do all the things that sounds.
I mean. I think I would be very fun on
reality TV because I just have no filter. I think
you write, especially on a dating show. Mess Is that
the name of my new dating show, hot mess Um
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stood by camp. I'll never turn down a job. Okay, yeah,
should we just talk about crime or now? Can you
do the first cry? I'm yeah, of course. Look, I
just would like to put a trigger warning here for
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anyone who is triggered by high sexual assault or and
or rape. We're talking about Bill Cosby. Man. This is
the case that keeps on not giving. The Supreme Court
declines to consider reinstating Bill cosby sexual assault conviction. On Monday,
they determined that they would not reinstate Bill Cosby sexual
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ssault conviction, dealing a blow to prosecutors who hoped to
put the accused sex offender back in prison. Last June,
Cosby was released from prison early when the Pennsylvania Supreme
Court made the controversial decision to vacate his conviction. He
was sentenced to three to ten years in prison, the
pretty big range, if you ask me, in for sexually
assaulting a former Temple University employee in his mansion in
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two thousand four, one of many sex crimes he's been
accused of committing during his decades long career the Pennsylvania
Court and really had quote unquote nothing to do with
guilt or innocence, that's clear. It's really more of a
reaction to what I would consider a prosecutorial misstep. In
two thousand five, Montgomery count District Attorney Bruce Castor said
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that Cosby would not face criminal prosecution and former Temple
employee Andrea Constance case and knowing that he wouldn't be prosecuted,
he admitted in a deposition in her civil suit against him,
which was later settled, to giving coaludes to women with
whom he wanted to have sex. But since Kevin Steele
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cast her successor didn't honor the former day's agreement with Cosby,
it was considered that they were using his private confession
against him in court, which helped pave a path to
conviction and raised constitution raised questions about the constitutionality of
Steele's actions. And you guys, news that in anmitted sex
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offender was freed from prison basically on a technicality concerned
sexual assault survivors who worried that Cosby's released would have
negative repercussions for future future sexual assault cases. So sorry,
you guys are gonna have to edit out so many
weird words that I've created today. Um yeah, I mean,
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what do you guys think about this? Do you think
that there's ever gonna be justice for the alleged victims
of Bill Cosby? I'm not even sure if we should
say alleged she actually did confess that he gave women
kylus before. I think what you just went through gives
us that answer, which I think is now, you know,
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it's it's unbelievable that on a technicality this is what happens.
I find it disgusting because then you're saying that even
if someone so let's say he murdered someone. Let's say
he murdered someone, right, it's like, oh, you can just
get off on a technicality, even if you actually say
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that you did it, and you did do it, that's yes, Sorry,
thank you for taking your role back as sometimes. But
I just I find this so disheartening for a number
of reasons because it feels like it's a misjustice system,
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not a justice system. If someone confesses to a crime,
how could they get off if they've done the crime.
It just doesn't actually compute in my head. Well, I
know how it's making me feel, and I've never been
a victim of this type of you know, so I
can only imagine how it's making the multiple people that
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have been wronged and hurt and abused to hear this,
it's got to be disheartening, and then it makes you
want to not come forward right. And this is also
you know, it's like part of a bigger me too
movement situation where even if you know you're you're attaching
your name to something very loaded and you're giving a
lot of personal information and it's going to be in
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the media forever anytime someone googles your name and then
to not even get justice for being so violated and
so wrong is it's I mean, it's cruel. H Yeah,
it disgusts me. I mean, look, I think that there
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are a lot of times in media and entertainment where
people have a hard time separating the performer from the person.
You know, the talent from the man. And it's like, sure,
he's a very funny, talented comedian and actor, doesn't mean
that he gets to not do time for his crime.
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He committed crimes, multiple sex crimes. I don't understand why
just because you have a lot of money and a
good lawyer and all this sort of because it just
gets you off that amount of money, and those good
lawyers are finding loopholes in the system, and that's why
we're having this conversation. It's so frustrated. But we have
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to move to a lighter crime because this just and
I texted a person involved. So this is from Watch
What Happens Live? So Carson Cresley dated an AX murder.
Watch video from Watch What Happens Live? Scroll to time
code for twelve. A caller asked Carson the question, Um,
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Carson has a dating history? Okay, like with timelines and
footnotes and cross the effortcing. Speaking to Andy Cohen on
Watch What Happens Live, Cressley said the worst date of
his life was one with a person he categorized as
an AX murderer. A Apparently, Cressley had taken this fellow
home after a night at the bars, and the gentleman
did not get down to business so much as make
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a sandwich. So the guy makes himself a sandwich and
leaves weird but not earth shattering. Cut till later when
Cressley happens upon a most Wanted poster and the man
is wanted for multiple murders. Cressley came out ahead not
only by getting not getting AX murdered, but also by
getting a story to eat out on the decade. So
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I texted him, you know, because he was my my roommate,
and I'm like, hey, and care to comment on this
AX murder story, and he wrote, um, I'll have to
come on the show. But I think he was wanted
for assault, not murder, so it's not as DICESE. Let
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me just say, if someone came over to my apartment
and not only didn't try to have sex with me,
but just wanted to eat of food in my fridge,
I would wonder if they were just going through a
hard financial time. Well, but you have if it was
like after a bar or something. There's times that you
want to eat like you're hungry, but making a sandwich
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is one thing. Going through like the Taco Bell drive
through is another. Yeah. I think it's actually even more
mentally ill to go to a stranger's house and then
just go through their rightful through their fridge and make
yourself a sandwich and then leave. I could see you
haven't a hit sitting in the corner being like, are
you only using me for my cold cuts? If they
grabbed some pretzels lee and maybe they need a little
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snack and get their energy up, I didn't know. Well,
I have PTSD obviously if you can't tell about this
exact premise, but not that I did an AX murderer.
But I mean, this feels like something I would do,
but you didd someone who was carbo loading before sex. Hilarious.
I woke up once at five in the morning. This
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is when I lived in New York, and I heard
I would locked my door in New York, my bedroom door,
no matter what, because I'm crazy and it's New York.
And I started hearing all this banging in my apartment
and I didn't know what it was, and I thought
there was a burglar. And then I opened the door
and I see that this guy who had slept over
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was eating all my bagels. What do you mean all
your bagels? I had a bag of bagels and he
just like shredded through all of them and he was
real wasted still, and I was like, Okay, um, this
doesn't seem like a crime to me. I mean, was
your bagel shop out of business? Came from Okay, so
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clearly for sex, and you're not going to trade a
dozen bagels sex with this person. Maybe if you would have,
he would. He was wasted and he was just like
opening the ridge and like and like slamming down knives,
and I was like, what's going on in there? Like
like the cupboards were opening and closing just slamming, well,
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the story is making me want to fake my own abduction,
which takes us to her wow, which takes us to
our next New York Times article. Three weeks after she vanished,
Sherry Peppini was found over a hundred and forty miles
from her home. According to the authorities, her account of
being kidnapped was a lie. She said that her captors
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had leashed her to a pole inside a closet a
bucket of kitty litters serving as her toilet. Then came
the beatings, and when she tried to escape, she told
investigators she was branded. That is how Sherry explained to
investigators what happened during her disappearance in two thousand and sixteen,
a three week ordeal that prompted an intense and costly
searched across northern California, where she had been living, and
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several other states. The widely reporting missing person case wound
down after a truck driver spot in Miss Peppini wandering
along an interstate, but the investigation was not over. Federal
prosecutors said this week that Ms. Peppini's claims that two
masked women had abducted her at gunpoint while she was
on a run in Reading, California. Had been made up
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that she continued her deception when investigators confronted her. In fact,
prosecutors claim she was married with child two children, and
was staying with an ex boyfriend and had used prepaid
cell phones to arrange for him to whisk her some
six hundred miles away from his home from her home.
This sounds like a lot of work. Just I mean.
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She was arrested on Thursday and felony charges making false
statements to federal law enforcement. The fraud charges stem for
more than thirty thousand and therapy and ambulance services whose
therapy mine from reading this article, this is unbelievable. Um,
but I we can't miss any time. I really going
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down inventing Anna. And while we're already on people faking things,
can you just take a little background on Anna del Wie,
Anna Swarkin. Wait, I just wanted to say, I don't
see the problem. You know, this woman wanted to go
hang out, She has kids, in a husband, she wanted
to go hang out with her ex boyfriend. Tell me
another way to do it. If you know another way
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to do it besides faking your own kidnapping and going
to elaborate stories and saying you're gonna have to use
kitty litter to pee and that you're tied to poles?
Did bran branding yourself just to have sex with your ex?
I mean that's how I know the dick was good.
That's how you know you're having ows multiple Yeah, you're
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not having to fake it. Yeah, I'm like, wait, can
you look me up with this guy? All right? Yeah,
let's move right along. Anyways, shall we take a break
before we get to Anna find sometimes? Wow, you're the
bossy today. I think that was a question. Actually, so
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spin it however you want. All right, we'll be right back.
Don't commit any crimes while we're on a break. Thank you, Hello,
and welcome back to real time crime. I hope you
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didn't commit a sixty second crime. I don't know if
that looks like stealing gum from your neighbor's desk at work?
Was that a joke? I don't don't know. I don't
know what anything is anymore. I haven't even had coffee yet.
Today Teddy was like, let's do the podcast at eleven,
and I was like, okay, did you want me to
be awake or um lovely, You're like I can do
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eleven thirty and I like trying press, trying to make
something happen right after this, and it's because you don't
want to wake up thirty Minutes'll be honest, I'll be honest.
I had a phone call with Dubai and they made
me wake up very early, and I was like, I
won't be able to function. This doesn't seem legal. I
don't love it. Why didn't? Yeah, I didn't love it
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at all. Turns out a prince over there left her
some money and she's just trying to I mean, look, yeah,
well there was a Nigerian prince who asked me to
wire him twenty dollars and I was like, wait, is
this Anna Delvie do it? He's like, my name is
Chris coom. Okay. Before we even get into the entire
Anna case, I need to know are you team Rachel
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or Team Anna? I'm Team Anna? What about you? Sometimes?
I mean, I think it's pretty safe to say that
if Leah says she's teamed something, I have to go with,
what about you, Teddy? Team Hannah or Team Rachel? I
you know, I can see both sides Here's where let's
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get into that further. Explain to Anna Delvie to people first,
and then I'm gonna explain why I have my She's
all right. Annah Delvi a k a. Annakin pretended to
be a German heiress to create the Anna Delvie Foundation,
an elite club much like the Soho House. But she
wanted to do this in New York City. And this
all happened in essentially what happened if she swindled. She
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tender swindled New York City elite hotels and banks and
people out of thousands of dollars with posh dinners, vacations, hotels, days,
and even stole a private jet to go to Omaha,
all for her Annadelvie Foundation. She even got City National
and fortressed almost invest millions. She needed forty mill to
make the club so based off Jessica Pressler's New York
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magazine article then turned into a series for Netflix by
Shonda Land. We all are now aware of this story,
and Teddy okay, So a big part of this story
is while Anna was doing all of these things, she
had her bestie and Toe come to Rachel Williams. And
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this is where I have my issue with Rachel, I
personally have never had a friend that has money or
doesn't have money, that bank rolls me to live, never
or vice versa. So but if there any is anyone
out there listening who's like, Leah, you sound like a
really fun person hang out with, I'll bankroll you. I mean,
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Leah's willing to that. Being said, you know, Anna supposedly
has all this money she's spending, she's staying at all
these hotels, she's throwing hundreds everywhere, she's going on vacations,
and she is taking Rachel with her. Never once is
Rachel paying for herself to do any of those things.
I don't know anybody in their right mind that doesn't
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know that everything comes with a price. Good call, like,
everything comes with the price, no matter if, like you know,
you have some friends that have more money than you
do and don't. And even then, if you're not going
half first, you're splitting it like I got you this time,
you give me the next time, and you actually do that.
But if you're just letting somebody pay for your trips,
your hotels, your life or whatever, I'm sorry, it's bounded
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by you in the ass. That wasn't a guy. Do
we know how this was unfolding. Was She's saying, Hey,
can I pay for this or on this trip of
you because I can't afford it? And she was like, no, no,
I got it. You gotta come. You're my best friend
on this show, you don't. They don't really paint Rachel
in the best light. They make it out to be
that she was a user of Anna and that she
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capitalized on her trauma to make money. She does have
a New York best selling book called My Friend Anna.
Her instagram is consistently Netflix new series about the con
artist Ana Sorkin plays lip service to the truth, says
Rachel Delici Williams, one of her victims, for the world's
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most popular streaming service. To allow this to up and
his appalling, they have ignored the reality of criminal behavior,
of pathological lawing, of reprehensible example setting to create this
fictional alternate version. Certainly the bogus director and this docu
drama Dirty John, also on Netflix, or the conman protagonist
of its documentary The Tender Swidler are not awarded a
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fraction of the sympathy granted Sorkin, But then those shows
were not bankrolling those people, So I mean she has
multiple posts like this. However, shall I go on and
read Anna's post that she's been able to Anna's post
so much. If you have it readily available, you can
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get to reading um. But the fact that you can
post from Ice is pretty incredible. Well, we should also
note that she was um. She she left prison and
got scooped up by Ice right away because her visa expired.
So she was East on good behavior in February, and
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then a month later Ice brought her right back into
custody where she is currently. Okay, now back to you, Teddy. Um. Well,
now we have to also talk about her money situation.
She was sentenced to Foard to twelve years find twenty
four thousand in order to pay restitution of around a
hundred and nine. Then she was paid three hundred thousand
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for her life rights, so pretty much anything that she
did is wiped clean around. I mean, I don't know
how much money am I being a piece of ship
by saying I just don't even think any of this
is a lot of money. Well, the part that I
don't under like that's a student loan, correct, But I
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mean I think Rachel end up putting something like sixty
dollars on her credit card from this vacation she took
with Anna, and you know it was her work card
and all of these things. But the argument is that
she was never forced to do it, but they you know,
the hotel was asking for it. Um. But I do
want to pull up what Anna's posts are right now,
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Anna Delvi is posting from Ice. I've been silent about
this for years. However, over past two weeks of watching
Rachel stubbornly refused to move on from her contrived trauma,
ever Braisen and unchecked, while going on every show that
will have her, I thought, now I have to, and
if I have to, I will. During her numerous public
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cries for attention claiming I ruined her life, relentless Rachel
Deloche Williams conveniently forgets to mention the curious period of
time during the summer of eighteen when she herself, along
with her newly acquired literary agent, we're repeatedly harassing my
lawyer Todd, both via email and phone clear to note
um to get me to agree to write a book
together with Rachel. And the best part is, this time
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around around, I've got all the receipts. She doesn't post
the receipts though, right not that I've seen. I know.
Sounds incredible considering Rachel's recent media crusade, during which she
accuses everyone who isn't aligned with her vision of self
as a wrong martyr star for Justice, of glorifying crime
and giving platform to a con Can anyone please enlighten
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us whether she's done anything at all over the past
three years other than talking and writing about me, reading
and dissecting my interviews, taking angry notes, looking for things
to get outraged about. She even quotes post I've deleted
after fifteen minutes. I can't find yourself someone who's is
dedicated to you the way Rachel is dedicated to my tayer.
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Don't you just look? I know? Don't you just love
the irony of watching Rachel Delictulliams constantly adjust her very
flexible moral standards depending on the perspective amount of the
money that stands to profit based on the latest twist
in the tail of her unfortunate association with me, before
she epically embarrassed herself during my trial, before Netliks forever
submitted her very accurate Karen image, her moral come is
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deemed acceptable, suggests we write a book together, all while
still pressing charges again against me. She thought she could
have it all, didn't she. It keeps going on and on,
but I think the last page. I'll read the last page,
which is important to this day. Rachel Williams clearly struggles
to accept the fact that twelve jurors unanimously agreed I
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was not guilty of any charges related to her existence,
and that nobody cares about anything she has to say
unless she's talking about me. And while I can understand
her being upset at the fact that I've already accomplished
more for the various jails and prisons than Rachel in
her entire sheltered life of privilege, she won't be getting
away with this blatant hypocrisy on my watch. Also, she
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she says something in like another one about the audacity
of her to still attempt to sell her white woman
tears that no one is buying. I'm like, bitch, you're
also a white woman? Like what? Well? I this is
obviously Anna has a very inflated version of self. I'm
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trying to stay away from uh. But man, if she
was a man, I would date her. I have to
say that I have done a full deep dive of
every photograph of Anna that exists on the worldwide Web,
even her court looks that had their own Instagram and
got it been following that a lot of people and
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the public eye. That's how like Joe Rogan's dog has
more followers than me. I'm like, I give up, And
not for one second would I be like, Oh, that
looks like an heiress to me. Interesting, what what do
you think? Well, I don't know. I just think I
think like royalty, and I think like super polished, and
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all of her pictures she looks like I look right now,
a hot, breaking mess with like messy hair, like her
parts like this, Like she's like, she looks like Samara
from the Ring coming out of the Well. Yeah, that's
what I'm confused about. And I know that you're not
supposed to judge a book by its cover, but I'm
judging a book by this cover because the story is
all over the place, and I want to know who
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these big businessmen were who were meeting her and being like, oh, yeah,
I want to invest forty million dollars into your company,
and you're all, you can't brush your hair. I also
am very curious to know. I mean, for everyone who
watched Inventing Anna, which is the Netflix series based off
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of Anadelvie's life, I'm so curious to know who the
real chases. Apparently she was saying on her Instagram stories
that she would give to the highest bidder the information
about his real name and who he is to the media,
and it starts at a ten k bid and people
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should slide into her d M s with bits. Let
me see how much I have in my wallet we
can pull together. There is something, Leah, give her one
of your n F t s. That's very funny. Um,
hold on, but remember when we almost had her for
other friend on the pod? Why am I blanking on
her name right now? Her other friend her like other
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bestief and Nef was so nice. Um. And Nef is
the one that truly according to this documentary, I don't
know because we don't have an interview with Nef, but
really is the one that made people believe that Anna
was as great as she was because she was this
incredible concierge and she got her into all the hot parties,
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on all the hot lists and all the good reservations. Um.
That being said, Nef was almost here but then not. Yeah,
good story, Hunsel and and they're saying that The New
York Post is saying the real Chase is Hunter Lee Sook.
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Who's that? Oh boy? They kind of look like twins.
Look at them. You see what I'm saying. Is this
guy really worth it? Is she really worth it? Are
they both really worth it? I don't know what this means.
I mean, I wonder if it is him. I bet
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we could find out by just sending her a d M.
I did find my d M exchange with Neff, and
Nef is taking a different route than her her other
pal Rachel, because she's taking She said, Hi, I haven't
done any interviews or spoke to any media since two
thousand eighteen. I think I would be too nervous. And
I said, it's okay. We can make it fun and light.
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I hosted with a comedian, so we're super easy to
talk to. I ate myself. I hate hearing how easy
I am to talk to um. And she wrote her
agent's name, will be able to arrange everything for me.
Sounds fun, And then we reached out to the agent
and crickets. This is what happens to us all the time.
We're like, oh, we're getting the producer and director of
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the tender spin. They're like, we'd love to can you
reach out to our PR team? And the PR teams
like yeah, it's going to be a no for us talk.
It's the same as like if you somebody is saying
you're gonna meet on a dating site and then all
of a sudden the night of the coffee date, they're
just not there. It's a polite no. It's a polite no.
But just don't even you don't even need to respond.
Just don't open the d M. Why do they open
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the d M? Why do you open d M? From
CRISP Como? That I don't know the answer to. But
you know what's hard? But all right, apparently I have
COVID again. But my my biggest question is do you
think any of those jerors should have thought that Anna
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was guilty? I look, I mean of the crimes against Rachel. Well,
Rachel was forced to pay with her credit card and
left quickly. Anna stayed another week and charged sixty two
dollars vacation on Rachel's card. That sucks, that's not cool.
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I mean, that's what happened. Then, Anna came out to
l A, stayed at the Chateau Marmont, and for those
of you that do not know, Chateau Marmont is probably
one of the most expensive hotels to stay at in
Los Angeless on the Sunset Strip, attempted suicide, and then
went to Malibu Passages, which is one of the most
expensive rehab facilities in California. Man, I've had so many
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friends go there and there. She was arrested for breaking
bank fraud in two thousand seventeen. Trial started in two
thousand nineteen. She was found guilty on eight charges, including
grand largsny in the second degree, attempted grand larsity, and
theft of services. However, against the stuff with Rachel, they're
saying that Rachel had the option because she gave her card. Correct. Yeah,
(32:02):
I also think, man, you know, I do know sometimes
with very wealthy friends, you know, I watched them go
to nightclubs and they'll leave the club and just be like, oh, yeah,
charge whatever you want in my car because it really
doesn't matter to them, you know. I remember when I
was at eleven in Miami. Yeah, it's a strip club,
(32:23):
go on and this was during art Basil and I
think this is where I got COVID. But you know, yeah,
my friend uh literally just left the club and he
had at least ten friends there getting lap dances, ordering
bottles and I think they racked up over fifty k
in that night and it just didn't matter. But I
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hate to say this that I can almost understand, and
I have been in a situation. It's similar where people
do bottle service and you're just all partying, and that's
the situation. However, we are talking about years time, We're
talking about traveling on vacations. We're talking about workout sessions, lunches, dinners, clothes, vacations.
(33:06):
You're gonna let your friend, no matter how rich they are,
pay for everything. There's got to be something in you
that allows that to happen. That's like, again, we don't
know the situation though, Like what if she's like I can't,
I can't go, I can't afford this. She's like, come,
this is on me and you're my best friend. I
(33:26):
need you with me every too, everything she's ever done.
Like that's like a weird codependent relationship. Don't you think
what they exist? Yeah? I mean also I'm thinking about it.
I have some people that have bankrolled me on a
bunch of different things that I could not have afforded
(33:47):
at the time. And why would I say no? I
just think that if you repeatedly, if it's repeated, they're
not be with the same person. I feel like you've
been burned by this. No, No, then it's your husband. No.
(34:08):
I just think that there's a there's a line in
the sand when you're accepting money from somebody else. Even
like I mean, this is gonna sound weird, but even
with my dad, obviously he makes more money than I do,
I don't have a trust find I have no link
to him. I was never the kid throwing down my
card because I didn't have any money from now we
were separate, my parents were divorced. However, now to this day,
(34:30):
now that I have, I make you know, a good living.
My dad is who who he is. We will take
turns who's paying for dinner if we go to a hotel.
I'm not expecting him to pay. But that's because you
both have money. I didn't when I was younger, but
did when you were younger? Did you pay for your
dad when you went out to dinner? No, I would
(34:53):
invite him to the restaurants I worked at and nobody
had to pay there. It is thank you, Mr Chow,
your own child appreciate it. Just what the most is,
Oh man, I've been a hostess. Honestly, it's probably one
of the hardest jobs to do because you're so bored
most of the time. But so you're saying, if the
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other person does not have money, it's fine to accept
she worked at Vanity Fair. We have something clear. She
wasn't like, she's not broke. That's not it's not me.
It's not like I would not want to do that.
But there are plenty of people out there, and there
are plenty of people that have money that are like
I don't care, I'm just come with me, I'll pay. Yeah,
(35:34):
But I do understand to Teddy's point, the repetition of services, right,
it's like people have you know. It's like if someone
was like, hey, you want to jump on my private jet,
Like I wouldn't have been able to afford at that time,
being like, hey, does everyone else want to come on
my private jet? You know, and it's like, oh cool,
uh round trip travel, Thank you so much. But then
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it's not as if like for the rest of the year, this.
This person was provided goods and services for me for free.
So if you were like, if they were like, let's
go on the private jet again and this and that,
you'd be like, the only way I'm going this time
is if I can pay for my seat. Yeah, it's
mere nailed it. Well, that's my point. This stuff. Once
you started doing something and it's like, again, I'm not
(36:16):
that type of person. I don't like it. But there's
plenty of people, and there's on both sides, there's plenty
of people that say, listen, I'm paying, I'm getting this hotel,
I've already got an extra room. Just come on down
and stay. Okay, So we're gonna agree to disagree on this,
but obviously both of these women are in a position
where they want to gain money from this story. From
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what's happened, trauma, not trauma, whatever it is, their friendship,
their relationship, what I have to offer from it. Why
are they still so mad at each other then, because
they're both still making money by exploding each other like
they seem kind of like the same person. It's just
isn't it just good telling, It's just good entertainment. I
(36:57):
think it's just to keep the story alive to keep
them both relevant so that I don't know if you
guys know, but Anna signed a deal for a limited series,
a reality show of her life after prison, plus working
on a book in a podcast, so you know, I
think she needs to keep the drama and the attention
on the spotlight around so that people still care about
her story once she's out of prison. And when as
(37:20):
we take, we gotta take one little break and then
we'll come back. And I want to hear what you
have to say. Sometimes, sorry to cut you off. Hi,
this is Bethany Frankel, and you will not want to
miss my new episode of Just Be with actor Justin Long.
He puts it all out there. He tells me about
(37:41):
a near death experience where he was abducted. He talked
about bouncing back after being in a film that got
a zero percent on Rotten Tomatoes, and gives his take
on why celebrities date other celebrities. Listen to Just Be
on the IHRT radio app, Apple podcast or where ever
to get your podcasts. Okay, what were you saying, Dmitri?
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I think that that's what people do when people do
things that are morally or legally wrong. The way they
justified to themselves that was well, listen, but this person
took advantage of me, or this person is doing this,
or they're they're worse than me. They downplay what they've done,
or they put some of it on other people. And
I think they're both doing that as far as I'm concerned.
If you both do something wrong, just gough and you know,
(38:28):
argue with each other, but don't act like you haven't
done anything and the other ones you're a victim what
the other one is doing. But that's what people they do,
they do they put it on someone else. So Anna
is like, well, Rachel's doing this, and Rachel stop calling
his attention. You haven't, you know, so they could both
just neither is taking accountability for their actions. But that's
also because they're an illegal battle. It's not just a
(38:50):
casual cat fight. If you will, this is true, you know,
if they took accountability for their actions and apologized and
where I went and there wouldn't be lots of money
at stake and careers on the line. Has but has
Anna ever apologized for anything, like, is there anything on
record that she apologized for? Any of the people think
(39:12):
that there was some sort of interview where she said, here,
wait a second, I'll tell you exactly where. Um hm oh,
one second, she should apologize for taking a private jet
and going to Omaha. So back in Um wait, sorry,
(39:34):
because there's there's there's an actual article here. Please cut
this out any accounts, Okay, So let's just also clarify
the fact that in she was convicted on eight counts
and sentence to four to twelve years in prison. Right,
and she moved through five correctional facilities, and she was
(39:56):
later released in February of um and then six weeks later,
like we said already, she went to Ice detention where
she's fighting deportation to Germany. And it's like, is she German?
Is she Russian? We know now she's German. So over
several phone calls the Orange County Correctional Facility, Ms Srokan
(40:17):
spoke about the Netflix show and she was a paid
consultant on just as a reminder, it was all about
life and detention and the women question of remorse. And
in the interview she was saying, I feel sorry for
the way my case is being perceived, and I feel
sorry that I resorted to these actions that people think
(40:37):
I'm glorifying. Now I feel sorry for the choices I've made. Definitely,
I don't feel like the world would be a better
place if people were just trying to be more like me.
And then they asked her, do you feel like you've changed,
and she said, I feel like I changed immensely, just
due to the fact that I've been exposed to so
many people and just seeing other people's walks of life.
Even though I thought I was so well traveled and
(40:58):
I lived in Europe, lived in the States, and lived
in different countries, I was so sheltered having been to
prison and having been through the criminal justice system. He
just exposed me to a whole different kind of a person,
and my problems before just seemed ridiculous. And then they
asked her, if you could go back in time, would
you go back and do things differently? And she said,
with the benefit of hindsight, I would have changed lots
of things. But this is just not how life works.
(41:21):
So I'm just building on my experiences and learning from them.
And they said, Netflix, what do you say. I said,
I don't hate that part. Yeah, and um, then they
said Netflix paid you three thousand for your life rights
this series, and you consulted on the project, and she
said yeah. And that's why, to reference the BBC interview
(41:41):
where I was asked, does crime pay, I could not
honestly say no because I did get paid. So I mean,
she's definitely has a way with words. She's smart. I mean,
I can see how she could potentially fraud people by
the way that she does emote, the way that she
(42:02):
you know, she talks, she knows what she's talking about.
She says it with like this command where if you
guys want to laugh, you have to go over and watch.
Chloe is crazy. She's on s analogy. She's a friend
of our love Chloe, but she doesn't Inventing Chloe. But
it just pretty much sums up what Anna Delvie was
able to do by her overall presence with others. But
(42:26):
it's so good. In conclusion, In conclusion, In conclusion, Anna
Deelbe is my hero. I'm kidding you, guys, Oh my god,
I'm joking. Come on. In conclusion, you should watch Inventing
Anna if you're curious to know a little bit more
(42:48):
about the case. I think it is very engaging to
watch it. And obviously Shana Rhymes can do no wrong.
In my book. Anyone else have any final thoughts? No,
we're all obsessed, been obsessed for months. I can say
thank you to Anna and Rachel and NAF and everyone
involved and potentially the tech rich boyfriend for giving us
(43:11):
this entertainment. The unfortunate part is that it's true alleged,
And thank you, sir for making a fake app about
dreams that never came to fruition. And then he moved
to Dubai, and I was on a phone call with
someone in Dubai earlier, and and it may or may
not have been him, but I will never say interesting timing.
I see, I see. In conclusion, this has been another
(43:34):
episode of real time crime. You can find me on
the internet at Lea Lamar on TikTok at Leo Lamar
with five ours, Teddy, where can we find you on
the Internet at Teddy Mellencamp or all in by Teddy
dot com. Oh and Dmitri still not at sometimes? Yeah,
I don't think that's sometimes gonna happen. I got snatched
up what? No, I don't know. I didn't look, but
(43:57):
but I don't. I don't appreciate that passive aggressivenes. It
really hurts one thing. To be honest, I didn't have time.
I guess I was just aggressive. I didn't say what
did I said? I didn't have time to look. I
think that's just pretty straightforward. I think you're a little
too caught up in this inventing Anna thing where you
think everybody rachel Or I was on. I'm sorry, Dmitri.
(44:20):
Do you not bring your phone with you to the toilet?
You had time to look, just like you saw Leah's
post earlier with her phone in the microwave, yeah, and
didn't comment. I didn't see that. Um, I do carry
in my phone with me. To be honest, I did
not look. I never really thought I was gonna be
snatching up sometimes, Dmitri, because I don't think anybody gives
a ship. We give a ship about us and how
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it makes us feel. Dmitri, are you going to do
the sing song? Think? Of course? I mean, am I
good for anything except for the song? Not? Really? Yeah?
Thank you everyone, Thank you for so you can find
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(45:30):
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(45:57):
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Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of
Real Time Crime. I'm one of your host Leo Lamar,
and I have with me, I'm wonderful co host Teddy Mellencamp.
The pause is very essential. And then we also have
(00:23):
with us of course, sometimes Dmitri. Hello, Sometimes hello Dmitri.
Something looks different about you today. Oh no, like like
did you do a fresh ship? Like something is new?
I don't know. There was a shadow on top of
his head and I thought he was wearing Oh wait, yeah,
(00:45):
oh yeah, I trying. I'm trying on like a little
tough to hair. What do you guys think? Imagine we
come on the zoom and Dmitri just has hair. What
are you guys talking about? It was just the lighting.
It was the lighting all those times he just pretends
like everything's normal. Love that well, speaking of normal, today
we're not talking about anything normal. We'll be talking about
(01:08):
Bill Cosby's sexual assault conviction. We'll be talking about a
woman who faked her own abduction. We'll be talking about
Carson Cressley dating an AX murderer who hasn't calm down,
you know, and then finally rounding it out with Anna
Delve the story that everyone is talking about. You guys,
I've really changed since Chris Cuomo came into my life.
(01:31):
What's going on now? Not so? I never I just
I never responded again because I just felt very uncomfortable.
I just feel like I'm talking to a hacker, and
I'm like, am I developing a relationship with a hacker?
And that stopped you? That sounds like a reason you
would keep going it. That's so funny. Also, I'm just
(01:56):
very curious to know. It's like, well, what what other
crimes have you committed? Sir? You know, because if it's
just like nerdy tech hacking, that's not so hot. But
if it is all in battery, let's talk. Let's be honest.
You're playing hard to get with the hacker. Would you
consider doing love is Blind? Leah? Yeah? I actually I
(02:20):
actually would really enjoy watching you do that and then
your face as the person comes around, knowing that, like
you know, your main thing is head shots. I just
not being able to see somebody's face and then developing
a full relationship is I'm ready for it to happen,
Like I'm about to call their casting, but I'm not
against that. I think that's a good idea. I think
(02:42):
that brilliant. I'll talk about it on two teas in
a pod. It'll be great, Thank you, thank you. I
think the funny thing will be when no one wants
to date me, They're like, we don't even care if
she's hot, her personality, man, damn. I think my voice
would turn away enough. They'd be like, they'd be like
and she just kept laughing at her own jokes, like
(03:04):
I'm so intrigued. She keeps pausing for like seconds on end.
What's she going to say next? I should be on
Love is Blind. That might be the only way for
me to actually find I'm putting it out into the universe.
I think it needs to happen Leah on next season
(03:24):
of Love is Blind. I'll start watching recapping. Dmitri can
produce it. We can do all the things that sounds.
I mean. I think I would be very fun on
reality TV because I just have no filter. I think
you write, especially on a dating show. Mess Is that
the name of my new dating show, hot mess Um
(03:45):
stood by camp. I'll never turn down a job. Okay, yeah,
should we just talk about crime or now? Can you
do the first cry? I'm yeah, of course. Look, I
just would like to put a trigger warning here for
(04:05):
anyone who is triggered by high sexual assault or and
or rape. We're talking about Bill Cosby. Man. This is
the case that keeps on not giving. The Supreme Court
declines to consider reinstating Bill cosby sexual assault conviction. On Monday,
they determined that they would not reinstate Bill Cosby sexual
(04:28):
ssault conviction, dealing a blow to prosecutors who hoped to
put the accused sex offender back in prison. Last June,
Cosby was released from prison early when the Pennsylvania Supreme
Court made the controversial decision to vacate his conviction. He
was sentenced to three to ten years in prison, the
pretty big range, if you ask me, in for sexually
assaulting a former Temple University employee in his mansion in
(04:51):
two thousand four, one of many sex crimes he's been
accused of committing during his decades long career the Pennsylvania
Court and really had quote unquote nothing to do with
guilt or innocence, that's clear. It's really more of a
reaction to what I would consider a prosecutorial misstep. In
two thousand five, Montgomery count District Attorney Bruce Castor said
(05:13):
that Cosby would not face criminal prosecution and former Temple
employee Andrea Constance case and knowing that he wouldn't be prosecuted,
he admitted in a deposition in her civil suit against him,
which was later settled, to giving coaludes to women with
whom he wanted to have sex. But since Kevin Steele
(05:35):
cast her successor didn't honor the former day's agreement with Cosby,
it was considered that they were using his private confession
against him in court, which helped pave a path to
conviction and raised constitution raised questions about the constitutionality of
Steele's actions. And you guys, news that in anmitted sex
(06:00):
offender was freed from prison basically on a technicality concerned
sexual assault survivors who worried that Cosby's released would have
negative repercussions for future future sexual assault cases. So sorry,
you guys are gonna have to edit out so many
weird words that I've created today. Um yeah, I mean,
(06:23):
what do you guys think about this? Do you think
that there's ever gonna be justice for the alleged victims
of Bill Cosby? I'm not even sure if we should
say alleged she actually did confess that he gave women
kylus before. I think what you just went through gives
us that answer, which I think is now, you know,
(06:44):
it's it's unbelievable that on a technicality this is what happens.
I find it disgusting because then you're saying that even
if someone so let's say he murdered someone. Let's say
he murdered someone, right, it's like, oh, you can just
get off on a technicality, even if you actually say
(07:06):
that you did it, and you did do it, that's yes, Sorry,
thank you for taking your role back as sometimes. But
I just I find this so disheartening for a number
of reasons because it feels like it's a misjustice system,
(07:27):
not a justice system. If someone confesses to a crime,
how could they get off if they've done the crime.
It just doesn't actually compute in my head. Well, I
know how it's making me feel, and I've never been
a victim of this type of you know, so I
can only imagine how it's making the multiple people that
(07:50):
have been wronged and hurt and abused to hear this,
it's got to be disheartening, and then it makes you
want to not come forward right. And this is also
you know, it's like part of a bigger me too
movement situation where even if you know you're you're attaching
your name to something very loaded and you're giving a
lot of personal information and it's going to be in
(08:12):
the media forever anytime someone googles your name and then
to not even get justice for being so violated and
so wrong is it's I mean, it's cruel. H Yeah,
it disgusts me. I mean, look, I think that there
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are a lot of times in media and entertainment where
people have a hard time separating the performer from the person.
You know, the talent from the man. And it's like, sure,
he's a very funny, talented comedian and actor, doesn't mean
that he gets to not do time for his crime.
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He committed crimes, multiple sex crimes. I don't understand why
just because you have a lot of money and a
good lawyer and all this sort of because it just
gets you off that amount of money, and those good
lawyers are finding loopholes in the system, and that's why
we're having this conversation. It's so frustrated. But we have
(09:24):
to move to a lighter crime because this just and
I texted a person involved. So this is from Watch
What Happens Live? So Carson Cresley dated an AX murder.
Watch video from Watch What Happens Live? Scroll to time
code for twelve. A caller asked Carson the question, Um,
(09:46):
Carson has a dating history? Okay, like with timelines and
footnotes and cross the effortcing. Speaking to Andy Cohen on
Watch What Happens Live, Cressley said the worst date of
his life was one with a person he categorized as
an AX murderer. A Apparently, Cressley had taken this fellow
home after a night at the bars, and the gentleman
did not get down to business so much as make
(10:07):
a sandwich. So the guy makes himself a sandwich and
leaves weird but not earth shattering. Cut till later when
Cressley happens upon a most Wanted poster and the man
is wanted for multiple murders. Cressley came out ahead not
only by getting not getting AX murdered, but also by
getting a story to eat out on the decade. So
(10:27):
I texted him, you know, because he was my my roommate,
and I'm like, hey, and care to comment on this
AX murder story, and he wrote, um, I'll have to
come on the show. But I think he was wanted
for assault, not murder, so it's not as DICESE. Let
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me just say, if someone came over to my apartment
and not only didn't try to have sex with me,
but just wanted to eat of food in my fridge,
I would wonder if they were just going through a
hard financial time. Well, but you have if it was
like after a bar or something. There's times that you
want to eat like you're hungry, but making a sandwich
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is one thing. Going through like the Taco Bell drive
through is another. Yeah. I think it's actually even more
mentally ill to go to a stranger's house and then
just go through their rightful through their fridge and make
yourself a sandwich and then leave. I could see you
haven't a hit sitting in the corner being like, are
you only using me for my cold cuts? If they
grabbed some pretzels lee and maybe they need a little
(11:34):
snack and get their energy up, I didn't know. Well,
I have PTSD obviously if you can't tell about this
exact premise, but not that I did an AX murderer.
But I mean, this feels like something I would do,
but you didd someone who was carbo loading before sex. Hilarious.
I woke up once at five in the morning. This
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is when I lived in New York, and I heard
I would locked my door in New York, my bedroom door,
no matter what, because I'm crazy and it's New York.
And I started hearing all this banging in my apartment
and I didn't know what it was, and I thought
there was a burglar. And then I opened the door
and I see that this guy who had slept over
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was eating all my bagels. What do you mean all
your bagels? I had a bag of bagels and he
just like shredded through all of them and he was
real wasted still, and I was like, Okay, um, this
doesn't seem like a crime to me. I mean, was
your bagel shop out of business? Came from Okay, so
(12:48):
clearly for sex, and you're not going to trade a
dozen bagels sex with this person. Maybe if you would have,
he would. He was wasted and he was just like
opening the ridge and like and like slamming down knives,
and I was like, what's going on in there? Like
like the cupboards were opening and closing just slamming, well,
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the story is making me want to fake my own abduction,
which takes us to her wow, which takes us to
our next New York Times article. Three weeks after she vanished,
Sherry Peppini was found over a hundred and forty miles
from her home. According to the authorities, her account of
being kidnapped was a lie. She said that her captors
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had leashed her to a pole inside a closet a
bucket of kitty litters serving as her toilet. Then came
the beatings, and when she tried to escape, she told
investigators she was branded. That is how Sherry explained to
investigators what happened during her disappearance in two thousand and sixteen,
a three week ordeal that prompted an intense and costly
searched across northern California, where she had been living, and
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several other states. The widely reporting missing person case wound
down after a truck driver spot in Miss Peppini wandering
along an interstate, but the investigation was not over. Federal
prosecutors said this week that Ms. Peppini's claims that two
masked women had abducted her at gunpoint while she was
on a run in Reading, California. Had been made up
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that she continued her deception when investigators confronted her. In fact,
prosecutors claim she was married with child two children, and
was staying with an ex boyfriend and had used prepaid
cell phones to arrange for him to whisk her some
six hundred miles away from his home from her home.
This sounds like a lot of work. Just I mean.
(14:37):
She was arrested on Thursday and felony charges making false
statements to federal law enforcement. The fraud charges stem for
more than thirty thousand and therapy and ambulance services whose
therapy mine from reading this article, this is unbelievable. Um,
but I we can't miss any time. I really going
(15:00):
down inventing Anna. And while we're already on people faking things,
can you just take a little background on Anna del Wie,
Anna Swarkin. Wait, I just wanted to say, I don't
see the problem. You know, this woman wanted to go
hang out, She has kids, in a husband, she wanted
to go hang out with her ex boyfriend. Tell me
another way to do it. If you know another way
(15:22):
to do it besides faking your own kidnapping and going
to elaborate stories and saying you're gonna have to use
kitty litter to pee and that you're tied to poles?
Did bran branding yourself just to have sex with your ex?
I mean that's how I know the dick was good.
That's how you know you're having ows multiple Yeah, you're
(15:42):
not having to fake it. Yeah, I'm like, wait, can
you look me up with this guy? All right? Yeah,
let's move right along. Anyways, shall we take a break
before we get to Anna find sometimes? Wow, you're the
bossy today. I think that was a question. Actually, so
(16:05):
spin it however you want. All right, we'll be right back.
Don't commit any crimes while we're on a break. Thank you, Hello,
and welcome back to real time crime. I hope you
(16:26):
didn't commit a sixty second crime. I don't know if
that looks like stealing gum from your neighbor's desk at work?
Was that a joke? I don't don't know. I don't
know what anything is anymore. I haven't even had coffee yet.
Today Teddy was like, let's do the podcast at eleven,
and I was like, okay, did you want me to
be awake or um lovely, You're like I can do
(16:48):
eleven thirty and I like trying press, trying to make
something happen right after this, and it's because you don't
want to wake up thirty Minutes'll be honest, I'll be honest.
I had a phone call with Dubai and they made
me wake up very early, and I was like, I
won't be able to function. This doesn't seem legal. I
don't love it. Why didn't? Yeah, I didn't love it
(17:09):
at all. Turns out a prince over there left her
some money and she's just trying to I mean, look, yeah,
well there was a Nigerian prince who asked me to
wire him twenty dollars and I was like, wait, is
this Anna Delvie do it? He's like, my name is
Chris coom. Okay. Before we even get into the entire
Anna case, I need to know are you team Rachel
(17:31):
or Team Anna? I'm Team Anna? What about you? Sometimes?
I mean, I think it's pretty safe to say that
if Leah says she's teamed something, I have to go with,
what about you, Teddy? Team Hannah or Team Rachel? I
you know, I can see both sides Here's where let's
(17:55):
get into that further. Explain to Anna Delvie to people first,
and then I'm gonna explain why I have my She's
all right. Annah Delvi a k a. Annakin pretended to
be a German heiress to create the Anna Delvie Foundation,
an elite club much like the Soho House. But she
wanted to do this in New York City. And this
all happened in essentially what happened if she swindled. She
(18:18):
tender swindled New York City elite hotels and banks and
people out of thousands of dollars with posh dinners, vacations, hotels, days,
and even stole a private jet to go to Omaha,
all for her Annadelvie Foundation. She even got City National
and fortressed almost invest millions. She needed forty mill to
make the club so based off Jessica Pressler's New York
(18:43):
magazine article then turned into a series for Netflix by
Shonda Land. We all are now aware of this story,
and Teddy okay, So a big part of this story
is while Anna was doing all of these things, she
had her bestie and Toe come to Rachel Williams. And
(19:07):
this is where I have my issue with Rachel, I
personally have never had a friend that has money or
doesn't have money, that bank rolls me to live, never
or vice versa. So but if there any is anyone
out there listening who's like, Leah, you sound like a
really fun person hang out with, I'll bankroll you. I mean,
(19:30):
Leah's willing to that. Being said, you know, Anna supposedly
has all this money she's spending, she's staying at all
these hotels, she's throwing hundreds everywhere, she's going on vacations,
and she is taking Rachel with her. Never once is
Rachel paying for herself to do any of those things.
I don't know anybody in their right mind that doesn't
(19:52):
know that everything comes with a price. Good call, like,
everything comes with the price, no matter if, like you know,
you have some friends that have more money than you
do and don't. And even then, if you're not going
half first, you're splitting it like I got you this time,
you give me the next time, and you actually do that.
But if you're just letting somebody pay for your trips,
your hotels, your life or whatever, I'm sorry, it's bounded
(20:15):
by you in the ass. That wasn't a guy. Do
we know how this was unfolding. Was She's saying, Hey,
can I pay for this or on this trip of
you because I can't afford it? And she was like, no, no,
I got it. You gotta come. You're my best friend
on this show, you don't. They don't really paint Rachel
in the best light. They make it out to be
that she was a user of Anna and that she
(20:37):
capitalized on her trauma to make money. She does have
a New York best selling book called My Friend Anna.
Her instagram is consistently Netflix new series about the con
artist Ana Sorkin plays lip service to the truth, says
Rachel Delici Williams, one of her victims, for the world's
(20:57):
most popular streaming service. To allow this to up and
his appalling, they have ignored the reality of criminal behavior,
of pathological lawing, of reprehensible example setting to create this
fictional alternate version. Certainly the bogus director and this docu
drama Dirty John, also on Netflix, or the conman protagonist
of its documentary The Tender Swidler are not awarded a
(21:19):
fraction of the sympathy granted Sorkin, But then those shows
were not bankrolling those people, So I mean she has
multiple posts like this. However, shall I go on and
read Anna's post that she's been able to Anna's post
so much. If you have it readily available, you can
(21:42):
get to reading um. But the fact that you can
post from Ice is pretty incredible. Well, we should also
note that she was um. She she left prison and
got scooped up by Ice right away because her visa expired.
So she was East on good behavior in February, and
(22:03):
then a month later Ice brought her right back into
custody where she is currently. Okay, now back to you, Teddy. Um. Well,
now we have to also talk about her money situation.
She was sentenced to Foard to twelve years find twenty
four thousand in order to pay restitution of around a
hundred and nine. Then she was paid three hundred thousand
(22:26):
for her life rights, so pretty much anything that she
did is wiped clean around. I mean, I don't know
how much money am I being a piece of ship
by saying I just don't even think any of this
is a lot of money. Well, the part that I
don't under like that's a student loan, correct, But I
(22:46):
mean I think Rachel end up putting something like sixty
dollars on her credit card from this vacation she took
with Anna, and you know it was her work card
and all of these things. But the argument is that
she was never forced to do it, but they you know,
the hotel was asking for it. Um. But I do
want to pull up what Anna's posts are right now,
(23:10):
Anna Delvi is posting from Ice. I've been silent about
this for years. However, over past two weeks of watching
Rachel stubbornly refused to move on from her contrived trauma,
ever Braisen and unchecked, while going on every show that
will have her, I thought, now I have to, and
if I have to, I will. During her numerous public
(23:32):
cries for attention claiming I ruined her life, relentless Rachel
Deloche Williams conveniently forgets to mention the curious period of
time during the summer of eighteen when she herself, along
with her newly acquired literary agent, we're repeatedly harassing my
lawyer Todd, both via email and phone clear to note
um to get me to agree to write a book
together with Rachel. And the best part is, this time
(23:55):
around around, I've got all the receipts. She doesn't post
the receipts though, right not that I've seen. I know.
Sounds incredible considering Rachel's recent media crusade, during which she
accuses everyone who isn't aligned with her vision of self
as a wrong martyr star for Justice, of glorifying crime
and giving platform to a con Can anyone please enlighten
(24:16):
us whether she's done anything at all over the past
three years other than talking and writing about me, reading
and dissecting my interviews, taking angry notes, looking for things
to get outraged about. She even quotes post I've deleted
after fifteen minutes. I can't find yourself someone who's is
dedicated to you the way Rachel is dedicated to my tayer.
(24:37):
Don't you just look? I know? Don't you just love
the irony of watching Rachel Delictulliams constantly adjust her very
flexible moral standards depending on the perspective amount of the
money that stands to profit based on the latest twist
in the tail of her unfortunate association with me, before
she epically embarrassed herself during my trial, before Netliks forever
submitted her very accurate Karen image, her moral come is
(25:00):
deemed acceptable, suggests we write a book together, all while
still pressing charges again against me. She thought she could
have it all, didn't she. It keeps going on and on,
but I think the last page. I'll read the last page,
which is important to this day. Rachel Williams clearly struggles
to accept the fact that twelve jurors unanimously agreed I
(25:20):
was not guilty of any charges related to her existence,
and that nobody cares about anything she has to say
unless she's talking about me. And while I can understand
her being upset at the fact that I've already accomplished
more for the various jails and prisons than Rachel in
her entire sheltered life of privilege, she won't be getting
away with this blatant hypocrisy on my watch. Also, she
(25:44):
she says something in like another one about the audacity
of her to still attempt to sell her white woman
tears that no one is buying. I'm like, bitch, you're
also a white woman? Like what? Well? I this is
obviously Anna has a very inflated version of self. I'm
(26:08):
trying to stay away from uh. But man, if she
was a man, I would date her. I have to
say that I have done a full deep dive of
every photograph of Anna that exists on the worldwide Web,
even her court looks that had their own Instagram and
got it been following that a lot of people and
(26:30):
the public eye. That's how like Joe Rogan's dog has
more followers than me. I'm like, I give up, And
not for one second would I be like, Oh, that
looks like an heiress to me. Interesting, what what do
you think? Well, I don't know. I just think I
think like royalty, and I think like super polished, and
(26:52):
all of her pictures she looks like I look right now,
a hot, breaking mess with like messy hair, like her
parts like this, Like she's like, she looks like Samara
from the Ring coming out of the Well. Yeah, that's
what I'm confused about. And I know that you're not
supposed to judge a book by its cover, but I'm
judging a book by this cover because the story is
all over the place, and I want to know who
(27:14):
these big businessmen were who were meeting her and being like, oh, yeah,
I want to invest forty million dollars into your company,
and you're all, you can't brush your hair. I also
am very curious to know. I mean, for everyone who
watched Inventing Anna, which is the Netflix series based off
(27:35):
of Anadelvie's life, I'm so curious to know who the
real chases. Apparently she was saying on her Instagram stories
that she would give to the highest bidder the information
about his real name and who he is to the media,
and it starts at a ten k bid and people
(27:55):
should slide into her d M s with bits. Let
me see how much I have in my wallet we
can pull together. There is something, Leah, give her one
of your n F t s. That's very funny. Um,
hold on, but remember when we almost had her for
other friend on the pod? Why am I blanking on
her name right now? Her other friend her like other
(28:15):
bestief and Nef was so nice. Um. And Nef is
the one that truly according to this documentary, I don't
know because we don't have an interview with Nef, but
really is the one that made people believe that Anna
was as great as she was because she was this
incredible concierge and she got her into all the hot parties,
(28:38):
on all the hot lists and all the good reservations. Um.
That being said, Nef was almost here but then not. Yeah,
good story, Hunsel and and they're saying that The New
York Post is saying the real Chase is Hunter Lee Sook.
(29:00):
Who's that? Oh boy? They kind of look like twins.
Look at them. You see what I'm saying. Is this
guy really worth it? Is she really worth it? Are
they both really worth it? I don't know what this means.
I mean, I wonder if it is him. I bet
(29:20):
we could find out by just sending her a d M.
I did find my d M exchange with Neff, and
Nef is taking a different route than her her other
pal Rachel, because she's taking She said, Hi, I haven't
done any interviews or spoke to any media since two
thousand eighteen. I think I would be too nervous. And
I said, it's okay. We can make it fun and light.
(29:43):
I hosted with a comedian, so we're super easy to
talk to. I ate myself. I hate hearing how easy
I am to talk to um. And she wrote her
agent's name, will be able to arrange everything for me.
Sounds fun, And then we reached out to the agent
and crickets. This is what happens to us all the time.
We're like, oh, we're getting the producer and director of
(30:04):
the tender spin. They're like, we'd love to can you
reach out to our PR team? And the PR teams
like yeah, it's going to be a no for us talk.
It's the same as like if you somebody is saying
you're gonna meet on a dating site and then all
of a sudden the night of the coffee date, they're
just not there. It's a polite no. It's a polite no.
But just don't even you don't even need to respond.
Just don't open the d M. Why do they open
(30:26):
the d M? Why do you open d M? From
CRISP Como? That I don't know the answer to. But
you know what's hard? But all right, apparently I have
COVID again. But my my biggest question is do you
think any of those jerors should have thought that Anna
(30:50):
was guilty? I look, I mean of the crimes against Rachel. Well,
Rachel was forced to pay with her credit card and
left quickly. Anna stayed another week and charged sixty two
dollars vacation on Rachel's card. That sucks, that's not cool.
(31:14):
I mean, that's what happened. Then, Anna came out to
l A, stayed at the Chateau Marmont, and for those
of you that do not know, Chateau Marmont is probably
one of the most expensive hotels to stay at in
Los Angeless on the Sunset Strip, attempted suicide, and then
went to Malibu Passages, which is one of the most
expensive rehab facilities in California. Man, I've had so many
(31:38):
friends go there and there. She was arrested for breaking
bank fraud in two thousand seventeen. Trial started in two
thousand nineteen. She was found guilty on eight charges, including
grand largsny in the second degree, attempted grand larsity, and
theft of services. However, against the stuff with Rachel, they're
saying that Rachel had the option because she gave her card. Correct. Yeah,
(32:02):
I also think, man, you know, I do know sometimes
with very wealthy friends, you know, I watched them go
to nightclubs and they'll leave the club and just be like, oh, yeah,
charge whatever you want in my car because it really
doesn't matter to them, you know. I remember when I
was at eleven in Miami. Yeah, it's a strip club,
(32:23):
go on and this was during art Basil and I
think this is where I got COVID. But you know, yeah,
my friend uh literally just left the club and he
had at least ten friends there getting lap dances, ordering
bottles and I think they racked up over fifty k
in that night and it just didn't matter. But I
(32:45):
hate to say this that I can almost understand, and
I have been in a situation. It's similar where people
do bottle service and you're just all partying, and that's
the situation. However, we are talking about years time, We're
talking about traveling on vacations. We're talking about workout sessions, lunches, dinners, clothes, vacations.
(33:06):
You're gonna let your friend, no matter how rich they are,
pay for everything. There's got to be something in you
that allows that to happen. That's like, again, we don't
know the situation though, Like what if she's like I can't,
I can't go, I can't afford this. She's like, come,
this is on me and you're my best friend. I
(33:26):
need you with me every too, everything she's ever done.
Like that's like a weird codependent relationship. Don't you think
what they exist? Yeah? I mean also I'm thinking about it.
I have some people that have bankrolled me on a
bunch of different things that I could not have afforded
(33:47):
at the time. And why would I say no? I
just think that if you repeatedly, if it's repeated, they're
not be with the same person. I feel like you've
been burned by this. No, No, then it's your husband. No.
(34:08):
I just think that there's a there's a line in
the sand when you're accepting money from somebody else. Even
like I mean, this is gonna sound weird, but even
with my dad, obviously he makes more money than I do,
I don't have a trust find I have no link
to him. I was never the kid throwing down my
card because I didn't have any money from now we
were separate, my parents were divorced. However, now to this day,
(34:30):
now that I have, I make you know, a good living.
My dad is who who he is. We will take
turns who's paying for dinner if we go to a hotel.
I'm not expecting him to pay. But that's because you
both have money. I didn't when I was younger, but
did when you were younger? Did you pay for your
dad when you went out to dinner? No, I would
(34:53):
invite him to the restaurants I worked at and nobody
had to pay there. It is thank you, Mr Chow,
your own child appreciate it. Just what the most is,
Oh man, I've been a hostess. Honestly, it's probably one
of the hardest jobs to do because you're so bored
most of the time. But so you're saying, if the
(35:13):
other person does not have money, it's fine to accept
she worked at Vanity Fair. We have something clear. She
wasn't like, she's not broke. That's not it's not me.
It's not like I would not want to do that.
But there are plenty of people out there, and there
are plenty of people that have money that are like
I don't care, I'm just come with me, I'll pay. Yeah,
(35:34):
But I do understand to Teddy's point, the repetition of services, right,
it's like people have you know. It's like if someone
was like, hey, you want to jump on my private jet,
Like I wouldn't have been able to afford at that time,
being like, hey, does everyone else want to come on
my private jet? You know, and it's like, oh cool,
uh round trip travel, Thank you so much. But then
(35:56):
it's not as if like for the rest of the year, this.
This person was provided goods and services for me for free.
So if you were like, if they were like, let's
go on the private jet again and this and that,
you'd be like, the only way I'm going this time
is if I can pay for my seat. Yeah, it's
mere nailed it. Well, that's my point. This stuff. Once
you started doing something and it's like, again, I'm not
(36:16):
that type of person. I don't like it. But there's
plenty of people, and there's on both sides, there's plenty
of people that say, listen, I'm paying, I'm getting this hotel,
I've already got an extra room. Just come on down
and stay. Okay, So we're gonna agree to disagree on this,
but obviously both of these women are in a position
where they want to gain money from this story. From
(36:37):
what's happened, trauma, not trauma, whatever it is, their friendship,
their relationship, what I have to offer from it. Why
are they still so mad at each other then, because
they're both still making money by exploding each other like
they seem kind of like the same person. It's just
isn't it just good telling, It's just good entertainment. I
(36:57):
think it's just to keep the story alive to keep
them both relevant so that I don't know if you
guys know, but Anna signed a deal for a limited series,
a reality show of her life after prison, plus working
on a book in a podcast, so you know, I
think she needs to keep the drama and the attention
on the spotlight around so that people still care about
her story once she's out of prison. And when as
(37:20):
we take, we gotta take one little break and then
we'll come back. And I want to hear what you
have to say. Sometimes, sorry to cut you off. Hi,
this is Bethany Frankel, and you will not want to
miss my new episode of Just Be with actor Justin Long.
He puts it all out there. He tells me about
(37:41):
a near death experience where he was abducted. He talked
about bouncing back after being in a film that got
a zero percent on Rotten Tomatoes, and gives his take
on why celebrities date other celebrities. Listen to Just Be
on the IHRT radio app, Apple podcast or where ever
to get your podcasts. Okay, what were you saying, Dmitri?
(38:07):
I think that that's what people do when people do
things that are morally or legally wrong. The way they
justified to themselves that was well, listen, but this person
took advantage of me, or this person is doing this,
or they're they're worse than me. They downplay what they've done,
or they put some of it on other people. And
I think they're both doing that as far as I'm concerned.
If you both do something wrong, just gough and you know,
(38:28):
argue with each other, but don't act like you haven't
done anything and the other ones you're a victim what
the other one is doing. But that's what people they do,
they do they put it on someone else. So Anna
is like, well, Rachel's doing this, and Rachel stop calling
his attention. You haven't, you know, so they could both
just neither is taking accountability for their actions. But that's
also because they're an illegal battle. It's not just a
(38:50):
casual cat fight. If you will, this is true, you know,
if they took accountability for their actions and apologized and
where I went and there wouldn't be lots of money
at stake and careers on the line. Has but has
Anna ever apologized for anything, like, is there anything on
record that she apologized for? Any of the people think
(39:12):
that there was some sort of interview where she said, here,
wait a second, I'll tell you exactly where. Um hm oh,
one second, she should apologize for taking a private jet
and going to Omaha. So back in Um wait, sorry,
(39:34):
because there's there's there's an actual article here. Please cut
this out any accounts, Okay, So let's just also clarify
the fact that in she was convicted on eight counts
and sentence to four to twelve years in prison. Right,
and she moved through five correctional facilities, and she was
(39:56):
later released in February of um and then six weeks later,
like we said already, she went to Ice detention where
she's fighting deportation to Germany. And it's like, is she German?
Is she Russian? We know now she's German. So over
several phone calls the Orange County Correctional Facility, Ms Srokan
(40:17):
spoke about the Netflix show and she was a paid
consultant on just as a reminder, it was all about
life and detention and the women question of remorse. And
in the interview she was saying, I feel sorry for
the way my case is being perceived, and I feel
sorry that I resorted to these actions that people think
(40:37):
I'm glorifying. Now I feel sorry for the choices I've made. Definitely,
I don't feel like the world would be a better
place if people were just trying to be more like me.
And then they asked her, do you feel like you've changed,
and she said, I feel like I changed immensely, just
due to the fact that I've been exposed to so
many people and just seeing other people's walks of life.
Even though I thought I was so well traveled and
(40:58):
I lived in Europe, lived in the States, and lived
in different countries, I was so sheltered having been to
prison and having been through the criminal justice system. He
just exposed me to a whole different kind of a person,
and my problems before just seemed ridiculous. And then they
asked her, if you could go back in time, would
you go back and do things differently? And she said,
with the benefit of hindsight, I would have changed lots
of things. But this is just not how life works.
(41:21):
So I'm just building on my experiences and learning from them.
And they said, Netflix, what do you say. I said,
I don't hate that part. Yeah, and um, then they
said Netflix paid you three thousand for your life rights
this series, and you consulted on the project, and she
said yeah. And that's why, to reference the BBC interview
(41:41):
where I was asked, does crime pay, I could not
honestly say no because I did get paid. So I mean,
she's definitely has a way with words. She's smart. I mean,
I can see how she could potentially fraud people by
the way that she does emote, the way that she
(42:02):
you know, she talks, she knows what she's talking about.
She says it with like this command where if you
guys want to laugh, you have to go over and watch.
Chloe is crazy. She's on s analogy. She's a friend
of our love Chloe, but she doesn't Inventing Chloe. But
it just pretty much sums up what Anna Delvie was
able to do by her overall presence with others. But
(42:26):
it's so good. In conclusion, In conclusion, In conclusion, Anna
Deelbe is my hero. I'm kidding you, guys, Oh my god,
I'm joking. Come on. In conclusion, you should watch Inventing
Anna if you're curious to know a little bit more
(42:48):
about the case. I think it is very engaging to
watch it. And obviously Shana Rhymes can do no wrong.
In my book. Anyone else have any final thoughts? No,
we're all obsessed, been obsessed for months. I can say
thank you to Anna and Rachel and NAF and everyone
involved and potentially the tech rich boyfriend for giving us
(43:11):
this entertainment. The unfortunate part is that it's true alleged,
And thank you, sir for making a fake app about
dreams that never came to fruition. And then he moved
to Dubai, and I was on a phone call with
someone in Dubai earlier, and and it may or may
not have been him, but I will never say interesting timing.
I see, I see. In conclusion, this has been another
(43:34):
episode of real time crime. You can find me on
the internet at Lea Lamar on TikTok at Leo Lamar
with five ours, Teddy, where can we find you on
the Internet at Teddy Mellencamp or all in by Teddy
dot com. Oh and Dmitri still not at sometimes? Yeah,
I don't think that's sometimes gonna happen. I got snatched
up what? No, I don't know. I didn't look, but
(43:57):
but I don't. I don't appreciate that passive aggressivenes. It
really hurts one thing. To be honest, I didn't have time.
I guess I was just aggressive. I didn't say what
did I said? I didn't have time to look. I
think that's just pretty straightforward. I think you're a little
too caught up in this inventing Anna thing where you
think everybody rachel Or I was on. I'm sorry, Dmitri.
(44:20):
Do you not bring your phone with you to the toilet?
You had time to look, just like you saw Leah's
post earlier with her phone in the microwave, yeah, and
didn't comment. I didn't see that. Um, I do carry
in my phone with me. To be honest, I did
not look. I never really thought I was gonna be
snatching up sometimes, Dmitri, because I don't think anybody gives
a ship. We give a ship about us and how
(44:47):
it makes us feel. Dmitri, are you going to do
the sing song? Think? Of course? I mean, am I
good for anything except for the song? Not? Really? Yeah?
Thank you everyone, Thank you for so you can find
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(45:30):
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