Despite the best attempts of elected Democrat leaders like Governor Gavin Newsom and Los Angeles mayor Karen Bass, no amount of deflection or projection will absolve them for responsibility in chaos and unrest in the form of the ongoing fiery L.A. riots.
Jennifer Sey, founder of XX-XY Athletics, joins Ryan to discuss posts on X made by Olympic champion gymnast Simone Biles about Riley Gaines competing against biological males in collegiate swimming.
Riley Gaines says Simone Biles 'tarnished' her reputation in '2 tweets' | Fox News
Riley Gaines unearths old tweet from 'truly sick bully' Simone Biles that 'undermines nonsensical' trans feud | Daily Mail Online
Jennifer Sey, founder of XX-XY Athletics, joins Ryan to discuss posts on X made by Olympic champion gymnast Simone Biles about Riley Gaines competing against biological males in collegiate swimming.
Riley Gaines says Simone Biles 'tarnished' her reputation in '2 tweets' | Fox News
Riley Gaines unearths old tweet from 'truly sick bully' Simone Biles that 'undermines nonsensical' trans feud | Daily Mail Online
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am here to both team.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Direction depends on whether or not there's an insurrection.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
I know no what we do and by ale the.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
People, and you're not going to let him get away with.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
It if you think it.
Speaker 5 (00:12):
Democrats continue decide with the legal aliens over Larne Workman
that they'll ever be able to win an.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
A whole election.
Speaker 6 (00:19):
Again, I love this guy.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I say that is the gret Who are you with?
Speaker 7 (00:22):
Light Bart is great?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Great group, right.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Fart, great group.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I think that you're going to see some very straw
law and order bost CNN beIN a aaps suggest that
this wasn't.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
A real vie.
Speaker 8 (00:39):
Is that what she said?
Speaker 9 (00:40):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I think it was a riot.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I think it was a very man who was covered
doing as the riots by almost every podcast.
Speaker 7 (00:47):
Will here we go again to quote the great President
Reagan as we hear from President Trump right there, and
to work our way backward. On this Monday, June ninth,
we will be joined by President Trump in quote actually
portrayed by Sean Ferrish in our number two to respond
and react to the ongoing escalation violence, arson, vandalism, assaults
(01:13):
on LAPD officers, the National Guard being called in for
these allegedly spirited protesters, fiery but mostly peaceful.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Where have we seen or heard that before?
Speaker 7 (01:30):
And here we go again, President Trump taking it upon
himself to protect the American people, to protect Angelino's really
from themselves, because they're the ones who voted for Karen
Bass and Gavin Newsom. Make no mistake, this is happening
in a blue city in a blue state. And no
matter how much Karen Bass the mayor or Gavin Newsom
(01:53):
the governor, want you to take your eye off the
ball and look over here, look at the orange man,
the bright red laser. Blame Donald Trump, the federal government,
the National Guard, the Marine Corps, coming in for an
issue that at its root and its core is the
sole responsibility of the borderline communist state of California.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And they're elected officials.
Speaker 7 (02:18):
This is happening there for a reason and has nothing
to do with Donald Trump. Now, I was able to
bribe our Resident Angelino, Kelly Coucher, into sticking around since
I'll be running.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
My board alone all week.
Speaker 7 (02:33):
We're shorthanded, and Kelly, of course, hals from Hacienda Heights
in the LA region.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
She joins me, Now, what's going on San Gabriel Valley girl, Kelly,
what the hell's happening in La? Wow? Wow? And by
the way, the bribe was a bottle of cake bread chardonnay.
Speaker 9 (02:55):
It was.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
That's pretty good, isn't it. I'm drinking it. He's loaded.
Speaker 10 (02:59):
Anyway, continue, I wish I could literally explain to everyone
out there, including yourself, about what's going on in California.
My mom is beside herself. Even my sister, who is
a view watcher and the Today Show watcher, is beside herself.
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Nobody knows what to make of Gavin Newsom at this point.
I mean, he's just basically screwing himself.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
He knows that.
Speaker 10 (03:30):
And you know, it's kind of like a a Karen
Poulis move when he signed into law, this stupid translaw.
I don't know what the hell is happening out there,
but it's it's very, very awful. And in ninety two
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when the actual big riots broke out, remember I was
driving back from Purdue UH and I was probably in
Nebraska when everything started to break down. My father, who
was still alive back on he literally he worked in
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Century City, which for those of you, it's West LA.
And he went to a hotel. He was like, no,
I'm not doing any of that.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Smart.
Speaker 10 (04:22):
Yeah, he just went and basically watched from his balcony
as the entire La region, you know, burned down. So
obviously these were not like the ninety two riots. But
at the same time, it's not great. It's not a
great look.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
Remember Reginald Denny, I do wasn't hitting the head break
the truck driver.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, amazing that he survived. Remember the Koreans on the rooftops.
Speaker 10 (04:46):
Oh, you don't mess with the Koreans.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Oh man.
Speaker 10 (04:51):
Those guys they owned the liquor stores and the convenience stores,
and they didn't They weren't fooling around those in the
market share.
Speaker 7 (05:01):
Hold on very important. Those are the immigrants that I support. Oh,
those are the immigrants that you support. Those are the
hard working immigrants who came to this country the right way,
who opened up businesses, who created and provided jobs, and
they wanted to defend their stores from these malecontent ne'ir
duells ragamuffins that I think are being piped in.
Speaker 10 (05:25):
Well, and did you see that there were more people
actually waving Mexican flags than USA flags.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Here's what Tom Holman, whoever else goes in there on
behalf of ice, the National Guard.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
You just approach one of those protests. Ors. What flag
are you waving there? VAKA or whatever?
Speaker 7 (05:43):
All right, guess what. That's what we're going to say.
You obviously don't want to be here. You're burning the
American flag. You're wiping your backside with it. Here's waving
the Mexican flag. If you love Mexico so much, well,
by all means, allow me to accommodate your request and
preference and provide you in scort right to the border.
Speaker 10 (06:02):
And how cheap would it be? Because we don't have
to pay for their medicaid, brothers don't have to pay
for their schooling.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
We know the layers to this onion, But Californians apparently
are okay with paying Medicaid and schooling and federal benefits
to a bunch of people with their hands out and
not contributing to our society, not working in gainful employment,
simply taking from government provided programs that are paid for
by you and me and by legal immigrants who pay
taxes into those systems.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Now does your mom, does your sister?
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Do they watch ABC seven in Los Angeles?
Speaker 10 (06:37):
No, they actually watch what would be Channel nine to
us is channel four?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Is that NBC?
Speaker 7 (06:46):
Well, okay, let's turn the page now to the gas
lighting and subterfuge and distractions and clouding of what is
going on by local media in Los Angeles ABC seven.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Here's Mark Brown with a straight face.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
I'm telling you, folks, I've already got about six or
seven nominees for Friday Fool the Week.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It's Monday. Listen to what he has to say.
Speaker 11 (07:08):
It could turn very volatile if you move law enforcement
in there in the wrong way and turn what is
just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn
into a massive confrontation and altercation between officers and demonstrators.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Honey, I'm gonna take the kids.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
We're gonna go down the riots, have some fun, watch
the cars burn. Might squeeze in a Dodgers game. Not
sure if I'm gonna have enough time. But did you
hear this guy? That is not manipulated. That's not a
cheap fake, that's not a deep fake, that's not a
clever audio juxtaposition. That's what he said live on the air.
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It's just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn.
Think about if you live in Topeka, Kansas, or Des Moines, Iowa,
or Midland, Michigan, or any rural area of Flyover country
Upper Midwest Swing state. And you hear that crap and
you're like, what what are you talking about? These people
(08:09):
are so out of touch with reality or what the
average American thinks, feels, experiences on a day to day
level living their lives. Just a bunch of people having
fun watching cars burn is not a normal activity, not
in America now, maybe in some third world countries that's
what they do for fun. It's a little spicy. This
(08:32):
is incredible to me. And then Ryan Stelter, the Big Potato.
I love it when Russell brand impersonates him this clown.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Don't believe you're lying eyes that which.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
You have observed, seen, heard on your own, to the
credit of George Orwell, it's not what you think.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
It's not what you see. Look.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
On one level, protests are always about images, about spectacle.
You might even say it's about theater seeing that play
out in LA and I think it's valuable to have
that perspective as we see some of these pictures, especially
as we zoom out and we recognize that the unrest
is isolated is not overtaking.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
The entire city of La La.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Has homed to millions of people, most of them are
having a normal day here on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Just having a normal one.
Speaker 8 (09:18):
Doesn't it's just a small fraction of arsonist riotous cars
on fire rocks being thrown at LAPD. Yes, because it's
very very little, we can ignore it.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
We can safely ignore it. Kelly.
Speaker 10 (09:33):
This is remember they also kind of did their little
freak attack about the National Guard.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
There's a lot of that too.
Speaker 10 (09:43):
Being summoned to there, which I mean, obviously, yes, that
needed to happen. I am so ashamed to be from California.
I can't even tell you, and so cal Yes, yes, and.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
Well another this is important. I want to make sure
we kind of timestamp this one punch it. There are
reports now, I don't know if they've been verified, but
I gotta believe law enforcement, the likes of Sheriff Steve Reams,
he's going on vacation to Hawaii, though his deputy's left behind,
Sheriff Darren Weekley and Doug co Aurora, Denver, Colorado Springs.
(10:24):
I've seen specific reports that these riots protests, what right
are coming here?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Peaceful protests peaceful, peace fiery, but mostly peaceful. They're coming here. Yeah,
throwing bricks is totally peaceful.
Speaker 7 (10:39):
But what are we going to do about it? What
is Aurora PD going to do about it? What is
Denver PD going to do about it? What are they
going to do about it down in the Springs?
Speaker 10 (10:49):
I think you're asking the wrong question. What are they
allowed to do about it?
Speaker 7 (10:54):
And that goes to what I like this LAPD police chief,
by the way, I think he's he's doing the best
he can, but pun intended, he's got he's got handcuffs
on here. There's only so much that he can do.
Maxine Waters, Yeah, I know, I know. She just can't
understand why LAPD Chief Jimmy McDonald is characterizing this as
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violence in the streets.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Well, I was surprised at the way that the police
shoot uh was described. With all of this. There have
been no violence where anybody that was protesting hit, anybody shot,
anybody threatening anybody.
Speaker 12 (11:34):
Nothing, has nothing, and so he doesn't know what to do,
probably because this is a centuary city and the police
don't have the authority.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
All that he's got to do is called the work
with the governor.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
You think LAPD chief Jim McDonald feels there's any solace
or upside to calling Gavin News and hey, what do
I do here?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Guv?
Speaker 7 (11:59):
Now, well, Maxine Waters just gave away the game there.
She told you we're a sanctuary city. He can't do anything.
Got to stand out of the way. I mean, they
are forcing law enforcement to have their hands tied behind
their back, put their officers in a great amount of
peril and danger by not cooperating with ICE when these people,
whoever they are, are clearly in violation of the law.
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Many of them are here illegally. And if ICE, Federal troops,
National Guard, the Marines come in, of course LAPD should
cooperate with them, help them out. If for no other
reason than their own safety and preservation, Why should LAPD
be rolled in there to serve as crash test dummies
(12:43):
for bricks and rocks being thrown at their heads. Those
were images that were coming through that the left in
the media would prefer to shield you from.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
But that's what happened.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Had nothing to do with Trump, had nothing to do
with the National Guard, had nothing to do with Hohorah
the US Marine Corps. Here's Jim McDonald, LAPD Chief explaining,
you know, people are.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Upset we're cooperating with ICE.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
What I don't know, in what universe are you on
the left going no, no, no, no, you protect these
illegal aliens that are setting fire to vehicles and throwing
rocks at police officers.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You better stay out of the way, don't do it.
Leave them. We want them here to.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
The people who are not happy with the fact that
ICE is in the in the community doing what ICE does?
You know, it's I respect ICE for being a fellow
law enforcement agency. They have their mission, they have their
what they have to do. We don't engage in that activity.
But again, we can't preclude them from doing that. They
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have every right to do that. I ask people in
the community to trust the LAPD that we're not there
for that purpose and that if they have something they
need us to be able to address, we're they're for them.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I think that's solid.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
It's it's a shame, it's it's a it's a crime
that these local law enforcement officers, whether it's Los Angeles
or Denver, are precluded and prohibited by law from cooperating
with ICE to what end at the expense of you know.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
What, it's collateral damage it's an.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Acceptable price cost of doing business that in order to
protect all illegal aliens here, because that's what they want
to do.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
It's a sanctuary city, it's a sanctuary state.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
Then we have to accept the fact that Trendy Arragua
MS thirteen, they're all in our Mitch, they're committing crimes.
But you know, we can't deport a single person who
by law, by very definition, they are here illegally, that
they were here longer. Although some people who have been
here for twelve years. That's not better, that's worse. That
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means you've known, you are aware that you've been in
this country illegally for that amount of time, and taken
no action to preemptively go seek some kind of cooperation. Look,
I want to go through the legal process here, I am.
I want to become an American citizen. What do I do?
How do I do this the right way? Every opportunity
to do that, But you've skated by for so long
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and nobody does anything in California and Colorado. So what incentive,
what motive is there to go ahead and do things
the right way and actually become an American citizen?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
There is none. In fact, there's a disincentive to do that.
You can coast as long as you want.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
You can have illegal status because we're not going to
ask you about it. It's not gonna be enforceable by
local law enforcement. We're gonna shield you from the federal government.
What country are we living in here? We continue now
with the President talking about Gavin newsomarges if.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
They can in the way of the deportation something that
helped me, in the way of law and udia, they
will pay.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Justice, Thank you very much. Another one holding become in
a regdom. You.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I like Gavenue and he's a nice guy, but he's
mostly incompetence.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Everybody knows what.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You aren't your intel?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You about me?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
People talk call the problem?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You know there were are they?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Are they?
Speaker 7 (16:13):
People had to trying to deport heard a professional agitate equals.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
That are causing the problem.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Are professional agitators.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
They are insurrected us.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
They're bad people.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
They should be in jail and on the rules to
gage at that old school. You see what happens if
we think there's a thious insurrection for less than that,
we're gonna have long order.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
Hurry employ how you define any direct I.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Hope you have to really just have to look at
the side, get to see what's happening.
Speaker 9 (16:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Last night in Los Angeles, who liked to dredge Plusley
There was a lot of violence there.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
There was a lot of violence that it.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Could have gotten much worse.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You have an incompetence.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Shovenor just take a look at the at the train
stations that he's shilling like twenty times sober budget. No,
he's ever seen as they like it.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So I did call him the other night.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I said, look, you got to take care of this.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Otherwise I'm sending indusdrup.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
That's what we did.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
That was Trump's contention, something Gavin Newsom vehemently denies, calling
Trump here a stone cold liar.
Speaker 9 (17:16):
Under his executive order it and specifically notes and under
what the DoD did is they had to coordinate with
the governor of the state. They never coordinated with the
governor of the state. We talked for almost twenty minutes,
and he barely This issue.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Never came up.
Speaker 9 (17:31):
I kept trying to talk about LA you wanted to
talk about all these other issues. We had a very
decent conversation. When was this This was late Friday night,
about one thirty plus his time after the protest had started,
after the protest, and he never once brought up the
National Guard. He's a stone cold liar. He said he did,
stone called liar, never did. It was a very civil conversation.
I've always wanted to approach engagement with the President of
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the United States in a respectful and responsible way. But
there's no working with the president. There's only working him,
and I will never work for Donald Trump.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
Well, that's ego driven that comment there. But Governor Gavin Newsom,
I would ask you, why didn't he bring up the
notion of if things get out of hand, then, mister president,
we would like your assistance with the National Guard. We
want to maintain and establish law and order in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
He didn't do that. Why didn't he do that?
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Then he gets caught behind the eight ball and you
can watch as Gavin Newsom's electoral chances of becoming a
nominee for President of the United States evaporate into the ether.
Speaker 9 (18:29):
Where's your decency, mister president?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Stop? What for sin? Disorder?
Speaker 9 (18:33):
It's illegal and unconstitutional and I said it, I'll say
it again.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It's immoral.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
You're creating the conditions that you claim you're solving and
you're not, and you're putting real people's lives at risk.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
And here is Gavin Newsom, the Kudi rat, the fear,
the horror, The hell is this guy? Come after me?
Arrest me. Let's just get it over with. Tough guy.
Speaker 9 (18:54):
You know, I don't give a damn, but I care
about my community.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I care about this community. The hell are they doing?
These guys need to grow up, they need to stop,
and we need to push back.
Speaker 9 (19:06):
And I'm sorry to be so clear, but that kind
of bloviating is exhausting.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So tom, arrest me. Let's go.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Just looking to create a spectacle of himself. This has
always been about Gavin Newsom and his chances for becoming
president going down in flames quite literally, I might add.
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I am also a survivor of sexual abuse, and I
believe without a doubt that the circumstances that led to
my abuse and allowed it to continue are directly the
result of the fact that the organization's created by Congress
to oversee and protect me as an athlete. The USA
Gymnastics in the United States Olympic and Pairs Committee Committee
failed to do their jobs. I don't want another young gymnast,
Olympic athlete, or any individual to experience the horror that
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I and hundreds of others have endured before, during, and
continuing to this day. In the week of the Larry
Asser abuse. To be clear, sorry take a turn. To
be clear, I blame larying Asser, and I also blame
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an entire system that enabled and perpetrated his abuse.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Now that is Simone Biles testifying before Congress about the
abuse of Laring answer September twenty twenty one, almost four
years ago. And I have tremendous sympathy for her and
every one of those young women that went through that abuse,
that endured the scandal, and it is a scandal that
I covered from ground zero, from the very beginning when
(21:57):
Rachel den Hollander broke the news to The Indie Star
in a newspaper article. And then I became the first
radio host and really one of the only ones that
stayed with the story to see where the facts would
lead and it would lead to the demise in many
ways of Michigan State University's entire athletic program. Their ad
Mark Hollis resigned, the president of the university, Luanna K.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Simon resigned.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
The gymnastics coach was chased off and ended up on
a beach somewhere, But she was part and parcel of
the abuse going on by Larry Nasser in providing cover
form in defending him to the very girls, the women
on Michigan State's gymnastics team that were making the allegations.
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Simone Biles came forward, along with Jordan Weber and so
many others, those who were gymnasts for Bella Coroli USA Gymnastics,
for which Larry Nasser, a monster, served as the head
athletic trainer and was viewed not only as a pillar
of the community, but really as the gold standard of
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athletic training for female gymnasts in the world and definitely
for USA Gymnastics. Twist Stars and hazlit just outside of Lansing, Michigan,
where all of this kind of originated, and I prefaced
this entire story by wanting to provide that background and
perspective and texture and context for Simone Biles who endured this.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
She did and she did speak out about it.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
But my next guest, Jennifer Say very much involved in gymnastics,
specifically her personally and the founder of XXXY Athletics. But
over the weekend we saw this war of word zerrup
between Simone Biles and Riley Gaines in which Simone Biles
advocated for biological males to invade girls and women sports
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and spaces, making fun of Riley Gaines for losing to
the likes of William Thomas then known as Leah Thomas
identifying as a female. And like Jennifer, I just couldn't
square this in my mind with everything that Simone herself
had been through, and it was such a disappointment. Simone
Biles is held as an idol for so many young
female gymnasts still to this day as an Olympic champion,
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and Jennifer joins me now on Ryan Schuling Live, Jennifer,
You've reacted a lot on next to this, and I'm
right there with you. But take us through the perspective
that I just tried to provide with regard to Simone's
own situation and why she's got such a blind spot
when it comes to the issue of transgender females invading
women's sports.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
Cool.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, it was a disturbing and I don't understand why
she did it. She doesn't even tweet very much, and
all of a sudden she just went on this tirade
against Riley and called her all sorts of names, thick,
a bully, of sore, loser, Riley tiede Will Thomas by
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the way, she m just a minor correction. But you know, look,
I've been a huge supporter of Samoa and she's obviously
the greatest gymnast of all time. That's indisputable. I don't
even know how many medals she had World Championships and Olympics.
I think thirty World championship medals and eleven from the Olympics.
She had a run of ten or twelve years where
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she didn't lose a single competition she entered. Think about
that for a second, not a single competition she won
every single one for ten years. I mean, that's insane.
And I just so I love her as an athlete.
I have great empathy for what she endured in being
abused by Larry Nasser and then coming back to win
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yet again. And I actually was a huge supporter and
this was controversial of her stepping out and away from
the Olympics in twenty twenty one, And you may disagree
with me on this, but at the time I thought
that would be a very powerful statement. I've reassesssed my
thinking on it just a little bit, but you know,
the governing bodies USA Gymnastics in particular, they treat the
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athletes as if they are just caused in a machine,
and to me filed stepping away when real injury was possible,
and real injury and gymnastics to be in a broken neck, paralysis, death,
not just a slower time. That was sort of the
bookend to carry strug competing in nineteen ninety six on
a very serious injury and being made to do that
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when she absolutely didn't have to. And so it felt
like an athlete saying, I'm in control of my own
body and as much as I love the sport, I
don't have to put myself in that kind of danger
for the governing body. And that just felt really important
to me, having spent you know, decades in the sport
myself and suffered just horrific injuries that I continued to
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be to train on due to pressure from my coaches
that I suffer from the repercussions of today in my fifties.
We deserve to treat these athletes with some care. They're
human beings. So I was very supportive of that. But anyway,
that's a long wind up to say. I just thought
that was means. It was incredibly mean spirited. She body shamed.
(27:10):
She said she looked like a man. After having spoken
for many years about the abuse that Simon has, you
know that she's experienced from being a very muscular person,
and it just felt like she was like playing to
her audience. She didn't expect. I don't think the clapback
she got in her mind. Everyone she knows things like
she does, and so it just seems kind of cute
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and funny and cool, probably and she didn't think it through.
And I just feel like now I look back at
her career and again I feel sorry for everything she
went through.
Speaker 14 (27:40):
But I just look at it through the lens of
you know what, she's a lot more selfish than I
thought before. And I think she just did this for
a clause applause and clicks and likes. And you know,
there was a piece written in USA today the day
after by Nancy Armor, who's joke of a sports me.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Thanks terrible, but she yeah, she's terrible saying what smone
did was brave.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
It was the opposite of brave.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
It was petty and name. It risks nothing for her.
None of her endorsement deals are at risk from it.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
This.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
I'll tell you it would have been brave if she
took a fand to say women deserve their own sports
and faces. That would have been brave. That might have
lost her endorsement deals. That would have been the right
thing to do. Instead, she took cheap shots at Riley,
and you know she said to Riley, why don't you
advocate for a third category? First of all, this shows
very little understanding of the conversation and the conflict because
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the trans advocates don't want a third category. They want
to be validated as women. We've tried it. USA Swimming
tried it. No one showed up. But why don't you
do it? Samon? You have a bigger platform, more money,
more influenced than Riley. You do it if you think
that's the right.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Solution, Jennifer, say our guest seu Y. You can follow
her on X at that handle at Jennifer Say. She's
the founder, the CEO of xx x Y Athletics based
right here in Colorado, as she is herself, and you
can go online support her cause, support their products at
xx dash xy athletics dot com. For those that are
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just catching up, maybe you're not on AX, I'll reach you.
Each of these posts that got severely ratioed into the sun,
meaning the followers commented far more than they liked or
retweeted the first one again out of nowhere, off the
top rope, she goes, Riley Gains, you're truly sick all
of this campaigning because you lost a race.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Straight up sore loser.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
You should be uplifting the trans community and perhaps finding
a way to make sports inclusive or creating a new
avenue where trans feel safe in sports, maybe a transgender
category in all sports.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
But instead you bully them.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
One thing's for sure is no one in sports is
safe with you around. And then she comes back, bully
someone your own size, which would ironically be a male
Riley Gains, and ironically for simone here Jennifer she fully admits, Hey,
there are fundamental differences physically biological men and women.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Yes, well, both weeks do that really because she says
Riley looks like a male. Riley is a perfectly normal
sized woman, while quite strong. She's side with five, so
it's also untrue that she's you know, really big. It's
just silly, but she acknowledges that men are bigger and stronger.
But in advocating or suggesting that Riley advocate for a
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third category, she's also implying that it isn't really fair
for males to compete in women's sports. So it made
no sense. She doesn't know anything about this conversation that
is happening. She doesn't understand the argument on the other
side certainly, and it just, like I said, it just
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seemed unncessary. I can't, for the life of me, figure
out why she did it other than to provoke a
response and get applause. And I'm telling you, in the
gymnastic community, they're cheering her. Now, obviously her fame is
much broader than the gymnastics community, but that's like her core, right,
those are the people love her and they are cheering.
If you go you know, on gymnastics Reddit or anything,
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they're all cheering. They're saying go to all go get
Jen next, you know that's what they're saying. So it
played to her, It played to her audience. And I
want to go back for one second if I may.
Rachel Jenn Hollander is a friend of mine. You mentioned
her in your opener, and she is the person I
give almost sole credit to. There was an army of
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survivors that came forward after her, but she is the
one that prompted that by going to the Indie Star.
And I've always had a little bit of pause, and
I think it's great that the famous ones, you know,
they testified at the sentencing hearing, not smoan, but many
of them. But when the women who were unknown came forward,
women like Rachel Jen Hollander, and were dragged through the mud.
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It took a few weeks and fifty credible witnesses coming
forward before the community came forward to support them. These
famous gymnasts, these Olympians, let some twist in the wind
and let them be called all manner of horrible, horrible names,
these one and lost friends. Rachel lost her church, which
she talks about at length, the famous one. And I
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don't mean just to mown the Olympians. They could have
stopped that right then and there. They didn't even have to.
I understand being an abuse survivor and not necessarily being
ready to talk about it, but if they just issued
support and did I stand with these women, it would
have ended it and the community would have gotten behind them.
And so I've always I don't know, it's always bothered
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me a little bit.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
It bothered me too, covering in real time, Jennifer, because
I interviewed Rachel right out of the gate, and I
left all the facts finding for the investigators and for
listeners to make up their own minds. And then Jamie
Dansher came forward and I interviewed her, and she's an
Olympian to your point of bronze medalist. And then ultimately,
and it took a long time, Jordan Weaver came forward,
another big name in gymnastics, and then some owed Biles.
(32:57):
But you're right, it took a really long time, and
that was concern to me as well. Jennifer Say, you
can follow on x at Jennifer Say xx dash Xyathletics
dot com is the website.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
We'll keep tabs on this where it goes from here.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
But I'll just say, in closing, Jennifer, you as a
former athlete gymnast, you know that women don't do the
pommel horse or the rings for a reason, and men
do different events biological men. Martina Navratalova played women's tennis.
You too, are some of the strongest voices and advocates
for actual biological girls and women's in this space.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
And you mentioned Nancy Armor and another one. I'm not sure.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
I don't want to go out on a limb here,
but Christine Brennan is a big female sports journalist and
I haven't seen that as much from the media covering
these women's sports go No. Look, we need to stand
up for girls and women. They just aren't doing it
the way you, the way Martina, the way JK. Rowling
are so I commend you on everything that you're doing
and encourage you to continue doing it.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Thanks so much. Yeah, it's not just those two women.
There are many more female sports journalists or not just
not saying anything. I think many of them are on
the wrong side of the issue, including Nancy Armor at
the front of the line there the things she's said
about Samantha Ponder, Yeah, awesome, ESPN losing her job just
so wrong and just repeating me this pablem. That makes
no sense. It makes no sense.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
Jennifer say, always grateful for your time. We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
All right, Jennifer say right there, X X dash x
Y athletics, your thoughts, your text when we come back.
Five seven, seven thirty nine, hour number one, this Monday
edition of Ryan Shooling Live. Just talking to my dad
about his incredible experience of seeing Jimmy Hendrix and the
Jimmy Hendricks Experience performed not once but twice at Coble
(34:44):
Hall and Detroit in the late sixties.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I'm so jealous to this day. Love him. But there's
a theme there.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
Yep, there is this, texter says Ryan having fun watching
cars burn?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Is there a person in that burning car?
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Well that burning car explode and kill any bystanders or
damage any property?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Disgusting?
Speaker 7 (35:04):
But this comes with the detachment that a lot of
these coastal liberal elites, and I guess I would include
this ABC seven anchor in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
They don't have to deal with this.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
They live in their safe, gated communities, away from the
riff raff or where these riots are happening.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
It doesn't affect them.
Speaker 7 (35:23):
And it doesn't affect Democrats because like here in Colorado,
there are no consequences, there's no accountability.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
People are mudheads.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
They'll continue to vote Democrat even though this chaos is
happening and it's solely the responsibility of Mayor Karen Bass,
Governor Gavin Newsom in our case, Mayor Mike Johnston, Governor
Jared Polis. But until or less there are political consequences
and a price to pay on that front. They're going
to go about their business, their daily routine as usual.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
This from Eric. We love Eric. He's a great American
and he says, Ryan, you great America. Well, thank you.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
As a Black American man, Simon Biles is a disgrace
to the black common sense race. Huh, Eric, you are
the leader of said common sense and I appreciate you
tuning in each and every day, especially the text that
you send a time out. Much more to come in
our number two, including President Trump in quotes at Sean Ferris, really,
(36:21):
but he'll be talking to me about the riots in
Los Angeles next
I am here to both team.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Direction depends on whether or not there's an insurrection.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
I know no what we do and by ale the.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
People, and you're not going to let him get away with.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
It if you think it.
Speaker 5 (00:12):
Democrats continue decide with the legal aliens over Larne Workman
that they'll ever be able to win an.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
A whole election.
Speaker 6 (00:19):
Again, I love this guy.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I say that is the gret Who are you with?
Speaker 7 (00:22):
Light Bart is great?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Great group, right.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Fart, great group.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I think that you're going to see some very straw
law and order bost CNN beIN a aaps suggest that
this wasn't.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
A real vie.
Speaker 8 (00:39):
Is that what she said?
Speaker 9 (00:40):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I think it was a riot.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I think it was a very man who was covered
doing as the riots by almost every podcast.
Speaker 7 (00:47):
Will here we go again to quote the great President
Reagan as we hear from President Trump right there, and
to work our way backward. On this Monday, June ninth,
we will be joined by President Trump in quote actually
portrayed by Sean Ferrish in our number two to respond
and react to the ongoing escalation violence, arson, vandalism, assaults
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on LAPD officers, the National Guard being called in for
these allegedly spirited protesters, fiery but mostly peaceful.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Where have we seen or heard that before?
Speaker 7 (01:30):
And here we go again, President Trump taking it upon
himself to protect the American people, to protect Angelino's really
from themselves, because they're the ones who voted for Karen
Bass and Gavin Newsom. Make no mistake, this is happening
in a blue city in a blue state. And no
matter how much Karen Bass the mayor or Gavin Newsom
(01:53):
the governor, want you to take your eye off the
ball and look over here, look at the orange man,
the bright red laser. Blame Donald Trump, the federal government,
the National Guard, the Marine Corps, coming in for an
issue that at its root and its core is the
sole responsibility of the borderline communist state of California.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And they're elected officials.
Speaker 7 (02:18):
This is happening there for a reason and has nothing
to do with Donald Trump. Now, I was able to
bribe our Resident Angelino, Kelly Coucher, into sticking around since
I'll be running.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
My board alone all week.
Speaker 7 (02:33):
We're shorthanded, and Kelly, of course, hals from Hacienda Heights
in the LA region.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
She joins me, Now, what's going on San Gabriel Valley girl, Kelly,
what the hell's happening in La? Wow? Wow? And by
the way, the bribe was a bottle of cake bread chardonnay.
Speaker 9 (02:55):
It was.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
That's pretty good, isn't it. I'm drinking it. He's loaded.
Speaker 10 (02:59):
Anyway, continue, I wish I could literally explain to everyone
out there, including yourself, about what's going on in California.
My mom is beside herself. Even my sister, who is
a view watcher and the Today Show watcher, is beside herself.
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Nobody knows what to make of Gavin Newsom at this point.
I mean, he's just basically screwing himself.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
He knows that.
Speaker 10 (03:30):
And you know, it's kind of like a a Karen
Poulis move when he signed into law, this stupid translaw.
I don't know what the hell is happening out there,
but it's it's very, very awful. And in ninety two
(03:51):
when the actual big riots broke out, remember I was
driving back from Purdue UH and I was probably in
Nebraska when everything started to break down. My father, who
was still alive back on he literally he worked in
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Century City, which for those of you, it's West LA.
And he went to a hotel. He was like, no,
I'm not doing any of that.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Smart.
Speaker 10 (04:22):
Yeah, he just went and basically watched from his balcony
as the entire La region, you know, burned down. So
obviously these were not like the ninety two riots. But
at the same time, it's not great. It's not a
great look.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
Remember Reginald Denny, I do wasn't hitting the head break
the truck driver.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, amazing that he survived. Remember the Koreans on the rooftops.
Speaker 10 (04:46):
Oh, you don't mess with the Koreans.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Oh man.
Speaker 10 (04:51):
Those guys they owned the liquor stores and the convenience stores,
and they didn't They weren't fooling around those in the
market share.
Speaker 7 (05:01):
Hold on very important. Those are the immigrants that I support. Oh,
those are the immigrants that you support. Those are the
hard working immigrants who came to this country the right way,
who opened up businesses, who created and provided jobs, and
they wanted to defend their stores from these malecontent ne'ir
duells ragamuffins that I think are being piped in.
Speaker 10 (05:25):
Well, and did you see that there were more people
actually waving Mexican flags than USA flags.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Here's what Tom Holman, whoever else goes in there on
behalf of ice, the National Guard.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
You just approach one of those protests. Ors. What flag
are you waving there? VAKA or whatever?
Speaker 7 (05:43):
All right, guess what. That's what we're going to say.
You obviously don't want to be here. You're burning the
American flag. You're wiping your backside with it. Here's waving
the Mexican flag. If you love Mexico so much, well,
by all means, allow me to accommodate your request and
preference and provide you in scort right to the border.
Speaker 10 (06:02):
And how cheap would it be? Because we don't have
to pay for their medicaid, brothers don't have to pay
for their schooling.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
We know the layers to this onion, But Californians apparently
are okay with paying Medicaid and schooling and federal benefits
to a bunch of people with their hands out and
not contributing to our society, not working in gainful employment,
simply taking from government provided programs that are paid for
by you and me and by legal immigrants who pay
taxes into those systems.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Now does your mom, does your sister?
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Do they watch ABC seven in Los Angeles?
Speaker 10 (06:37):
No, they actually watch what would be Channel nine to
us is channel four?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Is that NBC?
Speaker 7 (06:46):
Well, okay, let's turn the page now to the gas
lighting and subterfuge and distractions and clouding of what is
going on by local media in Los Angeles ABC seven.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Here's Mark Brown with a straight face.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
I'm telling you, folks, I've already got about six or
seven nominees for Friday Fool the Week.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It's Monday. Listen to what he has to say.
Speaker 11 (07:08):
It could turn very volatile if you move law enforcement
in there in the wrong way and turn what is
just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn
into a massive confrontation and altercation between officers and demonstrators.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Honey, I'm gonna take the kids.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
We're gonna go down the riots, have some fun, watch
the cars burn. Might squeeze in a Dodgers game. Not
sure if I'm gonna have enough time. But did you
hear this guy? That is not manipulated. That's not a
cheap fake, that's not a deep fake, that's not a
clever audio juxtaposition. That's what he said live on the air.
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It's just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn.
Think about if you live in Topeka, Kansas, or Des Moines, Iowa,
or Midland, Michigan, or any rural area of Flyover country
Upper Midwest Swing state. And you hear that crap and
you're like, what what are you talking about? These people
(08:09):
are so out of touch with reality or what the
average American thinks, feels, experiences on a day to day
level living their lives. Just a bunch of people having
fun watching cars burn is not a normal activity, not
in America now, maybe in some third world countries that's
what they do for fun. It's a little spicy. This
(08:32):
is incredible to me. And then Ryan Stelter, the Big Potato.
I love it when Russell brand impersonates him this clown.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Don't believe you're lying eyes that which.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
You have observed, seen, heard on your own, to the
credit of George Orwell, it's not what you think.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
It's not what you see. Look.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
On one level, protests are always about images, about spectacle.
You might even say it's about theater seeing that play
out in LA and I think it's valuable to have
that perspective as we see some of these pictures, especially
as we zoom out and we recognize that the unrest
is isolated is not overtaking.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
The entire city of La La.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Has homed to millions of people, most of them are
having a normal day here on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Just having a normal one.
Speaker 8 (09:18):
Doesn't it's just a small fraction of arsonist riotous cars
on fire rocks being thrown at LAPD. Yes, because it's
very very little, we can ignore it.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
We can safely ignore it. Kelly.
Speaker 10 (09:33):
This is remember they also kind of did their little
freak attack about the National Guard.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
There's a lot of that too.
Speaker 10 (09:43):
Being summoned to there, which I mean, obviously, yes, that
needed to happen. I am so ashamed to be from California.
I can't even tell you, and so cal Yes, yes, and.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
Well another this is important. I want to make sure
we kind of timestamp this one punch it. There are
reports now, I don't know if they've been verified, but
I gotta believe law enforcement, the likes of Sheriff Steve Reams,
he's going on vacation to Hawaii, though his deputy's left behind,
Sheriff Darren Weekley and Doug co Aurora, Denver, Colorado Springs.
(10:24):
I've seen specific reports that these riots protests, what right
are coming here?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Peaceful protests peaceful, peace fiery, but mostly peaceful. They're coming here. Yeah,
throwing bricks is totally peaceful.
Speaker 7 (10:39):
But what are we going to do about it? What
is Aurora PD going to do about it? What is
Denver PD going to do about it? What are they
going to do about it down in the Springs?
Speaker 10 (10:49):
I think you're asking the wrong question. What are they
allowed to do about it?
Speaker 7 (10:54):
And that goes to what I like this LAPD police chief,
by the way, I think he's he's doing the best
he can, but pun intended, he's got he's got handcuffs
on here. There's only so much that he can do.
Maxine Waters, Yeah, I know, I know. She just can't
understand why LAPD Chief Jimmy McDonald is characterizing this as
(11:17):
violence in the streets.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Well, I was surprised at the way that the police
shoot uh was described. With all of this. There have
been no violence where anybody that was protesting hit, anybody shot,
anybody threatening anybody.
Speaker 12 (11:34):
Nothing, has nothing, and so he doesn't know what to do,
probably because this is a centuary city and the police
don't have the authority.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
All that he's got to do is called the work
with the governor.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
You think LAPD chief Jim McDonald feels there's any solace
or upside to calling Gavin News and hey, what do
I do here?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Guv?
Speaker 7 (11:59):
Now, well, Maxine Waters just gave away the game there.
She told you we're a sanctuary city. He can't do anything.
Got to stand out of the way. I mean, they
are forcing law enforcement to have their hands tied behind
their back, put their officers in a great amount of
peril and danger by not cooperating with ICE when these people,
whoever they are, are clearly in violation of the law.
(12:21):
Many of them are here illegally. And if ICE, Federal troops,
National Guard, the Marines come in, of course LAPD should
cooperate with them, help them out. If for no other
reason than their own safety and preservation, Why should LAPD
be rolled in there to serve as crash test dummies
(12:43):
for bricks and rocks being thrown at their heads. Those
were images that were coming through that the left in
the media would prefer to shield you from.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
But that's what happened.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Had nothing to do with Trump, had nothing to do
with the National Guard, had nothing to do with Hohorah
the US Marine Corps. Here's Jim McDonald, LAPD Chief explaining,
you know, people are.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Upset we're cooperating with ICE.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
What I don't know, in what universe are you on
the left going no, no, no, no, you protect these
illegal aliens that are setting fire to vehicles and throwing
rocks at police officers.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You better stay out of the way, don't do it.
Leave them. We want them here to.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
The people who are not happy with the fact that
ICE is in the in the community doing what ICE does?
You know, it's I respect ICE for being a fellow
law enforcement agency. They have their mission, they have their
what they have to do. We don't engage in that activity.
But again, we can't preclude them from doing that. They
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have every right to do that. I ask people in
the community to trust the LAPD that we're not there
for that purpose and that if they have something they
need us to be able to address, we're they're for them.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I think that's solid.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
It's it's a shame, it's it's a it's a crime
that these local law enforcement officers, whether it's Los Angeles
or Denver, are precluded and prohibited by law from cooperating
with ICE to what end at the expense of you know.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
What, it's collateral damage it's an.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Acceptable price cost of doing business that in order to
protect all illegal aliens here, because that's what they want
to do.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
It's a sanctuary city, it's a sanctuary state.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
Then we have to accept the fact that Trendy Arragua
MS thirteen, they're all in our Mitch, they're committing crimes.
But you know, we can't deport a single person who
by law, by very definition, they are here illegally, that
they were here longer. Although some people who have been
here for twelve years. That's not better, that's worse. That
(14:48):
means you've known, you are aware that you've been in
this country illegally for that amount of time, and taken
no action to preemptively go seek some kind of cooperation. Look,
I want to go through the legal process here, I am.
I want to become an American citizen. What do I do?
How do I do this the right way? Every opportunity
to do that, But you've skated by for so long
(15:10):
and nobody does anything in California and Colorado. So what incentive,
what motive is there to go ahead and do things
the right way and actually become an American citizen?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
There is none. In fact, there's a disincentive to do that.
You can coast as long as you want.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
You can have illegal status because we're not going to
ask you about it. It's not gonna be enforceable by
local law enforcement. We're gonna shield you from the federal government.
What country are we living in here? We continue now
with the President talking about Gavin newsomarges if.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
They can in the way of the deportation something that
helped me, in the way of law and udia, they
will pay.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Justice, Thank you very much. Another one holding become in
a regdom. You.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I like Gavenue and he's a nice guy, but he's
mostly incompetence.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Everybody knows what.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You aren't your intel?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
You about me?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
People talk call the problem?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You know there were are they?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Are they?
Speaker 7 (16:13):
People had to trying to deport heard a professional agitate equals.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
That are causing the problem.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Are professional agitators.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
They are insurrected us.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
They're bad people.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
They should be in jail and on the rules to
gage at that old school. You see what happens if
we think there's a thious insurrection for less than that,
we're gonna have long order.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
Hurry employ how you define any direct I.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Hope you have to really just have to look at
the side, get to see what's happening.
Speaker 9 (16:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Last night in Los Angeles, who liked to dredge Plusley
There was a lot of violence there.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
There was a lot of violence that it.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Could have gotten much worse.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You have an incompetence.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Shovenor just take a look at the at the train
stations that he's shilling like twenty times sober budget. No,
he's ever seen as they like it.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So I did call him the other night.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I said, look, you got to take care of this.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Otherwise I'm sending indusdrup.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
That's what we did.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
That was Trump's contention, something Gavin Newsom vehemently denies, calling
Trump here a stone cold liar.
Speaker 9 (17:16):
Under his executive order it and specifically notes and under
what the DoD did is they had to coordinate with
the governor of the state. They never coordinated with the
governor of the state. We talked for almost twenty minutes,
and he barely This issue.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Never came up.
Speaker 9 (17:31):
I kept trying to talk about LA you wanted to
talk about all these other issues. We had a very
decent conversation. When was this This was late Friday night,
about one thirty plus his time after the protest had started,
after the protest, and he never once brought up the
National Guard. He's a stone cold liar. He said he did,
stone called liar, never did. It was a very civil conversation.
I've always wanted to approach engagement with the President of
(17:53):
the United States in a respectful and responsible way. But
there's no working with the president. There's only working him,
and I will never work for Donald Trump.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
Well, that's ego driven that comment there. But Governor Gavin Newsom,
I would ask you, why didn't he bring up the
notion of if things get out of hand, then, mister president,
we would like your assistance with the National Guard. We
want to maintain and establish law and order in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
He didn't do that. Why didn't he do that?
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Then he gets caught behind the eight ball and you
can watch as Gavin Newsom's electoral chances of becoming a
nominee for President of the United States evaporate into the ether.
Speaker 9 (18:29):
Where's your decency, mister president?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Stop? What for sin? Disorder?
Speaker 9 (18:33):
It's illegal and unconstitutional and I said it, I'll say
it again.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It's immoral.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
You're creating the conditions that you claim you're solving and
you're not, and you're putting real people's lives at risk.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
And here is Gavin Newsom, the Kudi rat, the fear,
the horror, The hell is this guy? Come after me?
Arrest me. Let's just get it over with. Tough guy.
Speaker 9 (18:54):
You know, I don't give a damn, but I care
about my community.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I care about this community. The hell are they doing?
These guys need to grow up, they need to stop,
and we need to push back.
Speaker 9 (19:06):
And I'm sorry to be so clear, but that kind
of bloviating is exhausting.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So tom, arrest me. Let's go.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Just looking to create a spectacle of himself. This has
always been about Gavin Newsom and his chances for becoming
president going down in flames quite literally, I might add.
Jennifer say xxxy Athletics joins us to talk about the
dust up between sim Owe Biles and Riley Gains on
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Speaker 13 (20:45):
I am also a survivor of sexual abuse, and I
believe without a doubt that the circumstances that led to
my abuse and allowed it to continue are directly the
result of the fact that the organization's created by Congress
to oversee and protect me as an athlete. The USA
Gymnastics in the United States Olympic and Pairs Committee Committee
failed to do their jobs. I don't want another young gymnast,
Olympic athlete, or any individual to experience the horror that
(21:07):
I and hundreds of others have endured before, during, and
continuing to this day. In the week of the Larry
Asser abuse. To be clear, sorry take a turn. To
be clear, I blame larying Asser, and I also blame
(21:29):
an entire system that enabled and perpetrated his abuse.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Now that is Simone Biles testifying before Congress about the
abuse of Laring answer September twenty twenty one, almost four
years ago. And I have tremendous sympathy for her and
every one of those young women that went through that abuse,
that endured the scandal, and it is a scandal that
I covered from ground zero, from the very beginning when
(21:57):
Rachel den Hollander broke the news to The Indie Star
in a newspaper article. And then I became the first
radio host and really one of the only ones that
stayed with the story to see where the facts would
lead and it would lead to the demise in many
ways of Michigan State University's entire athletic program. Their ad
Mark Hollis resigned, the president of the university, Luanna K.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Simon resigned.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
The gymnastics coach was chased off and ended up on
a beach somewhere, But she was part and parcel of
the abuse going on by Larry Nasser in providing cover
form in defending him to the very girls, the women
on Michigan State's gymnastics team that were making the allegations.
(22:45):
Simone Biles came forward, along with Jordan Weber and so
many others, those who were gymnasts for Bella Coroli USA Gymnastics,
for which Larry Nasser, a monster, served as the head
athletic trainer and was viewed not only as a pillar
of the community, but really as the gold standard of
(23:05):
athletic training for female gymnasts in the world and definitely
for USA Gymnastics. Twist Stars and hazlit just outside of Lansing, Michigan,
where all of this kind of originated, and I prefaced
this entire story by wanting to provide that background and
perspective and texture and context for Simone Biles who endured this.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
She did and she did speak out about it.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
But my next guest, Jennifer Say very much involved in gymnastics,
specifically her personally and the founder of XXXY Athletics. But
over the weekend we saw this war of word zerrup
between Simone Biles and Riley Gaines in which Simone Biles
advocated for biological males to invade girls and women sports
(23:52):
and spaces, making fun of Riley Gaines for losing to
the likes of William Thomas then known as Leah Thomas
identifying as a female. And like Jennifer, I just couldn't
square this in my mind with everything that Simone herself
had been through, and it was such a disappointment. Simone
Biles is held as an idol for so many young
female gymnasts still to this day as an Olympic champion,
(24:15):
and Jennifer joins me now on Ryan Schuling Live, Jennifer,
You've reacted a lot on next to this, and I'm
right there with you. But take us through the perspective
that I just tried to provide with regard to Simone's
own situation and why she's got such a blind spot
when it comes to the issue of transgender females invading
women's sports.
Speaker 10 (24:36):
Cool.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, it was a disturbing and I don't understand why
she did it. She doesn't even tweet very much, and
all of a sudden she just went on this tirade
against Riley and called her all sorts of names, thick,
a bully, of sore, loser, Riley tiede Will Thomas by
(24:58):
the way, she m just a minor correction. But you know, look,
I've been a huge supporter of Samoa and she's obviously
the greatest gymnast of all time. That's indisputable. I don't
even know how many medals she had World Championships and Olympics.
I think thirty World championship medals and eleven from the Olympics.
She had a run of ten or twelve years where
(25:20):
she didn't lose a single competition she entered. Think about
that for a second, not a single competition she won
every single one for ten years. I mean, that's insane.
And I just so I love her as an athlete.
I have great empathy for what she endured in being
abused by Larry Nasser and then coming back to win
(25:42):
yet again. And I actually was a huge supporter and
this was controversial of her stepping out and away from
the Olympics in twenty twenty one, And you may disagree
with me on this, but at the time I thought
that would be a very powerful statement. I've reassesssed my
thinking on it just a little bit, but you know,
the governing bodies USA Gymnastics in particular, they treat the
(26:04):
athletes as if they are just caused in a machine,
and to me filed stepping away when real injury was possible,
and real injury and gymnastics to be in a broken neck, paralysis, death,
not just a slower time. That was sort of the
bookend to carry strug competing in nineteen ninety six on
a very serious injury and being made to do that
(26:25):
when she absolutely didn't have to. And so it felt
like an athlete saying, I'm in control of my own
body and as much as I love the sport, I
don't have to put myself in that kind of danger
for the governing body. And that just felt really important
to me, having spent you know, decades in the sport
myself and suffered just horrific injuries that I continued to
(26:50):
be to train on due to pressure from my coaches
that I suffer from the repercussions of today in my fifties.
We deserve to treat these athletes with some care. They're
human beings. So I was very supportive of that. But anyway,
that's a long wind up to say. I just thought
that was means. It was incredibly mean spirited. She body shamed.
(27:10):
She said she looked like a man. After having spoken
for many years about the abuse that Simon has, you
know that she's experienced from being a very muscular person,
and it just felt like she was like playing to
her audience. She didn't expect. I don't think the clapback
she got in her mind. Everyone she knows things like
she does, and so it just seems kind of cute
(27:31):
and funny and cool, probably and she didn't think it through.
And I just feel like now I look back at
her career and again I feel sorry for everything she
went through.
Speaker 14 (27:40):
But I just look at it through the lens of
you know what, she's a lot more selfish than I
thought before. And I think she just did this for
a clause applause and clicks and likes. And you know,
there was a piece written in USA today the day
after by Nancy Armor, who's joke of a sports me.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Thanks terrible, but she yeah, she's terrible saying what smone
did was brave.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
It was the opposite of brave.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
It was petty and name. It risks nothing for her.
None of her endorsement deals are at risk from it.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
This.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
I'll tell you it would have been brave if she
took a fand to say women deserve their own sports
and faces. That would have been brave. That might have
lost her endorsement deals. That would have been the right
thing to do. Instead, she took cheap shots at Riley,
and you know she said to Riley, why don't you
advocate for a third category? First of all, this shows
very little understanding of the conversation and the conflict because
(28:33):
the trans advocates don't want a third category. They want
to be validated as women. We've tried it. USA Swimming
tried it. No one showed up. But why don't you
do it? Samon? You have a bigger platform, more money,
more influenced than Riley. You do it if you think
that's the right.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Solution, Jennifer, say our guest seu Y. You can follow
her on X at that handle at Jennifer Say. She's
the founder, the CEO of xx x Y Athletics based
right here in Colorado, as she is herself, and you
can go online support her cause, support their products at
xx dash xy athletics dot com. For those that are
(29:10):
just catching up, maybe you're not on AX, I'll reach you.
Each of these posts that got severely ratioed into the sun,
meaning the followers commented far more than they liked or
retweeted the first one again out of nowhere, off the
top rope, she goes, Riley Gains, you're truly sick all
of this campaigning because you lost a race.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Straight up sore loser.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
You should be uplifting the trans community and perhaps finding
a way to make sports inclusive or creating a new
avenue where trans feel safe in sports, maybe a transgender
category in all sports.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
But instead you bully them.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
One thing's for sure is no one in sports is
safe with you around. And then she comes back, bully
someone your own size, which would ironically be a male
Riley Gains, and ironically for simone here Jennifer she fully admits, Hey,
there are fundamental differences physically biological men and women.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Yes, well, both weeks do that really because she says
Riley looks like a male. Riley is a perfectly normal
sized woman, while quite strong. She's side with five, so
it's also untrue that she's you know, really big. It's
just silly, but she acknowledges that men are bigger and stronger.
But in advocating or suggesting that Riley advocate for a
(30:23):
third category, she's also implying that it isn't really fair
for males to compete in women's sports. So it made
no sense. She doesn't know anything about this conversation that
is happening. She doesn't understand the argument on the other
side certainly, and it just, like I said, it just
(30:45):
seemed unncessary. I can't, for the life of me, figure
out why she did it other than to provoke a
response and get applause. And I'm telling you, in the
gymnastic community, they're cheering her. Now, obviously her fame is
much broader than the gymnastics community, but that's like her core, right,
those are the people love her and they are cheering.
If you go you know, on gymnastics Reddit or anything,
(31:06):
they're all cheering. They're saying go to all go get
Jen next, you know that's what they're saying. So it
played to her, It played to her audience. And I
want to go back for one second if I may.
Rachel Jenn Hollander is a friend of mine. You mentioned
her in your opener, and she is the person I
give almost sole credit to. There was an army of
(31:27):
survivors that came forward after her, but she is the
one that prompted that by going to the Indie Star.
And I've always had a little bit of pause, and
I think it's great that the famous ones, you know,
they testified at the sentencing hearing, not smoan, but many
of them. But when the women who were unknown came forward,
women like Rachel Jen Hollander, and were dragged through the mud.
(31:49):
It took a few weeks and fifty credible witnesses coming
forward before the community came forward to support them. These
famous gymnasts, these Olympians, let some twist in the wind
and let them be called all manner of horrible, horrible names,
these one and lost friends. Rachel lost her church, which
she talks about at length, the famous one. And I
(32:13):
don't mean just to mown the Olympians. They could have
stopped that right then and there. They didn't even have to.
I understand being an abuse survivor and not necessarily being
ready to talk about it, but if they just issued
support and did I stand with these women, it would
have ended it and the community would have gotten behind them.
And so I've always I don't know, it's always bothered
(32:34):
me a little bit.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
It bothered me too, covering in real time, Jennifer, because
I interviewed Rachel right out of the gate, and I
left all the facts finding for the investigators and for
listeners to make up their own minds. And then Jamie
Dansher came forward and I interviewed her, and she's an
Olympian to your point of bronze medalist. And then ultimately,
and it took a long time, Jordan Weaver came forward,
another big name in gymnastics, and then some owed Biles.
(32:57):
But you're right, it took a really long time, and
that was concern to me as well. Jennifer Say, you
can follow on x at Jennifer Say xx dash Xyathletics
dot com is the website.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
We'll keep tabs on this where it goes from here.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
But I'll just say, in closing, Jennifer, you as a
former athlete gymnast, you know that women don't do the
pommel horse or the rings for a reason, and men
do different events biological men. Martina Navratalova played women's tennis.
You too, are some of the strongest voices and advocates
for actual biological girls and women's in this space.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
And you mentioned Nancy Armor and another one. I'm not sure.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
I don't want to go out on a limb here,
but Christine Brennan is a big female sports journalist and
I haven't seen that as much from the media covering
these women's sports go No. Look, we need to stand
up for girls and women. They just aren't doing it
the way you, the way Martina, the way JK. Rowling
are so I commend you on everything that you're doing
and encourage you to continue doing it.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Thanks so much. Yeah, it's not just those two women.
There are many more female sports journalists or not just
not saying anything. I think many of them are on
the wrong side of the issue, including Nancy Armor at
the front of the line there the things she's said
about Samantha Ponder, Yeah, awesome, ESPN losing her job just
so wrong and just repeating me this pablem. That makes
no sense. It makes no sense.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
Jennifer say, always grateful for your time. We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
All right, Jennifer say right there, X X dash x
Y athletics, your thoughts, your text when we come back.
Five seven, seven thirty nine, hour number one, this Monday
edition of Ryan Shooling Live. Just talking to my dad
about his incredible experience of seeing Jimmy Hendrix and the
Jimmy Hendricks Experience performed not once but twice at Coble
(34:44):
Hall and Detroit in the late sixties.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I'm so jealous to this day. Love him. But there's
a theme there.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
Yep, there is this, texter says Ryan having fun watching
cars burn?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Is there a person in that burning car?
Speaker 7 (34:58):
Well that burning car explode and kill any bystanders or
damage any property?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Disgusting?
Speaker 7 (35:04):
But this comes with the detachment that a lot of
these coastal liberal elites, and I guess I would include
this ABC seven anchor in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
They don't have to deal with this.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
They live in their safe, gated communities, away from the
riff raff or where these riots are happening.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
It doesn't affect them.
Speaker 7 (35:23):
And it doesn't affect Democrats because like here in Colorado,
there are no consequences, there's no accountability.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
People are mudheads.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
They'll continue to vote Democrat even though this chaos is
happening and it's solely the responsibility of Mayor Karen Bass,
Governor Gavin Newsom in our case, Mayor Mike Johnston, Governor
Jared Polis. But until or less there are political consequences
and a price to pay on that front. They're going
to go about their business, their daily routine as usual.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
This from Eric. We love Eric. He's a great American
and he says, Ryan, you great America. Well, thank you.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
As a Black American man, Simon Biles is a disgrace
to the black common sense race. Huh, Eric, you are
the leader of said common sense and I appreciate you
tuning in each and every day, especially the text that
you send a time out. Much more to come in
our number two, including President Trump in quotes at Sean Ferris, really,
(36:21):
but he'll be talking to me about the riots in
Los Angeles next
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