September 16, 2024 • 33 mins
Dinesh D'Souza joins Ryan to discuss the cinematic version of his potential aAmazon #1 best seller 'Vindicating Trump' being released in theaters on Friday, September 27.
The timing of this release is especially critical with the second assassination attempt against Donald Trump on Sunday, this time from his normally friendly confines at Mar-a-Lago. What more needs to be done to protect the former President with 50 days to go until Election Day?
Vindicating Trump
James Rosen, chief White House correspondent for Newsmax, provides his journalistic perspective on reaction by both President Biden and Vice President Harris to the second assassination attempt against Donald Trump. James also offers his analysis of last Tuesday's debate moderators, Linsey Davis and David Muir of ABC News.
The timing of this release is especially critical with the second assassination attempt against Donald Trump on Sunday, this time from his normally friendly confines at Mar-a-Lago. What more needs to be done to protect the former President with 50 days to go until Election Day?
Vindicating Trump
James Rosen, chief White House correspondent for Newsmax, provides his journalistic perspective on reaction by both President Biden and Vice President Harris to the second assassination attempt against Donald Trump. James also offers his analysis of last Tuesday's debate moderators, Linsey Davis and David Muir of ABC News.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Somebody has to help this country, and if they don't,
the country and the world are in big trouble. Someone's
got to overturn the tables and the temple.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Trump jumping into the presidential race.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Power.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
He's a bit worried of the apprentice guy. You know
the feeling the power, could your hand in it of
wooded the vow.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Power.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
They fear that power. You didn't do an insurrection.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Had you called for one, there would have been one,
and there would be one. We can call for one.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Now I'm not sure I want that power. I want
the power just to make the country better.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
America first, and that scares them a lot about Donald
Trump's caresome.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Let's look at everything campaign is family.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Let's get foreign eyes on him. If we have one part,
you know who he.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Is going after, their companies, their families.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
That is a dictator.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
At the very dangerous time for a country.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
The goal is to put him in jail because they're
so afraid of his voice.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I am your voice.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Bury him so deep in league, it'll bankrupt, broke battle
in kail right before the election. That's hard for being
that guy. But isn't that election interference? It's not interference
if we do it.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
We just want a free and fair election.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Sounds expensive.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Ballots ain't cheap?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Wait wait wait, did you actually say the word buy
the ballots? We were able to purchase ten thousand ballots.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
That's terrifying. They cheated in many different ways. That's all
they're good at. Save democracy.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
We need to stop him permanently, and that person will
be risking his life too.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Bet, it's not to say season right. Just the way
you survived must get me a.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Trump has beaten back every attack against.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Him, the damn terminy.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
We're going to fix our borders, so we're going to
fix our elections. Was that a win?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It's my legacy s Indicating Trump. The best is yet
to come. Only in theater September twenty seventh.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
The trailer you just heard coming out in theaters coming
up next weekend. That'll be September twenty seventh, Vindicating Trump,
and you can find out more online at Vindicating Trump
dot com. It is also accompanied by a hardcover book
version of Vindicating Trump. You can find that on Amazon
starting on October eighth. No better time to be joined
(02:16):
by Denish Desuza than right now. Denish, thank you so
much for your time.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Hey, it's my pleasure.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Now as we look at the events of this past weekend,
Dens and now your film and your book coming out
in the wake of that, no doubt leading into this
assassination attempt. A second one was the vilification of Trump.
Your film, your book is about vindicating Trump. How much
of the body politic, of the rhetoric that's out there
right now do you think has fed into this violence
(02:45):
against Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Well, I think that the Democrats have created the atmosphere
in which these kinds of attacks, and now there have
been more than one of them, become plausible. In fact,
not only plausible, they become almost logical. Because if the
premise is that Trump is a would be dictator, he's
(03:09):
a would be autocrat, he's a would be Caesar or Hitler,
then it logically follows that it's good to take this
guy out because he could start a world war, he
could create a kind of regime of repression. So the
Democrats in the way in an odd position because now
(03:30):
they say, well, we denounced violence, and you know, thoughts
and prayers for Trump and so on, but none of
that really makes any sense given their own premise.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Denis Susa joining us Ryan schuling with you and Dens.
The last several films you've made has pointed toward chaos
in our system, whether that was two thousand Mules or
police State, which I also saw, and now vindicating Trump
coming through. And a lot of this chaos has been
blamed on Donald Trump. And yet when we watch him
and his rallies or what he says in interviews or debates,
(04:03):
it seems like he is not only a change agent,
but a restoration to order in the way that the
left pretends or projects that they will provide to the
United States and the world. What do you make of
this framing of Donald Trump by the left and how
Donald Trump has responded to it.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah, he didn't create the chaos. I mean, it's probably
more accurate to say that it created him. Also, for
those who say that Trump is a would be despot,
one of the problems for them is that Trump's already
been in office, so you can ask what despotic things
did he do? How many leading Democrats, for example, did
he prosecute or lock up? Of course there were people
(04:44):
at his rallies who would say lock her up in
reference to Hillary, but he didn't do it. In fact,
he specifically said, let's defeat her in November. That's a
clip in the film. The film has a very interesting
one on one between me and Trump, very different from
his normal interviews because normally in the interviews he's a
bit of a runaway train. But here I sort of sit,
(05:06):
you know, one foot apart from him, very focused, and
have a conversation covering some fairly deep topics, including Abraham Lincoln,
his Lyceum speech, the threat of dictatorship, how countries become autocratic,
where the threat comes from. All this stuff is the
centerpiece of this film. I think people will find it
(05:27):
very eye opening.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Now I think back to Saturday, July thirteenth and the
first assassination attempt against Donald Trump Denesh and in that
time since that you've been making this film. When you
sat down with him, was that after that attempt?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
You know? Happily it was. We were supposed to interview
him two weeks before, and we were really frustrated when
it fell through. But it turned out to be sort
of fortuitous, maybe even providential, because we interviewed him after
the assassination attempt, after the Republican National Convention, so we
were able to over all that in the movie. The
movie also has highly entertaining recreations. We have sort of
(06:07):
a democratic war room. We have a kind of an
intelligence community war room, a medio warroom, so you can
kind of get the behind the scenes of the left
and the Democrats reacting to the criminal trials, reacting to
the assassination attempt, kind of the kind of stuff that
we speculate about the left but we never get to see. Well,
we bring that out for you to see in the film.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The film comes out Friday, September twenty seventh. The book
is out on October eighth. Its author and the director
executive producer of that film, Denish Desuza, joining us here
with a preview of it. This sit down that you
had with Donald Trump, Densha, I'm fascinated, as you just mentioned,
because of the timing of it, and I know you've
had interactions with Donald Trump in the past.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Was he more subdued, what was his mindset?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
What kind of vibe did you get from him during
your conversation. Do you feel that he's a fundamentally changed man.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I think he is changed to a degree. He's a
little more reflective, a little more measured. But the fight
has not gone out of him. And I think that
is a key point. What the assassination attempt really revealed
was Trump's greatest virtue. And I say this because we're
(07:21):
always hearing, even from some Republicans, about the vices of Trump.
You know, Oh yeah, he's a massive egotist. He used
to be a playboy. You know, he doesn't tell the truth.
So we get a catalog of Trump's vices, and the
catalog itself is, you know, is distorted and exaggerated. Maybe
Trump was a playboy in his early years. Nobody's saying
he's a playboy now, So the best you can say
(07:42):
is he's a reform playboy, you know. But there's never
a focus on what Trump's virtues are, and he has
a lot of them, but the premier one, the supreme one,
and the one needed most in the country now is
the virtue of courage. And Aristotle says that courage is
the greatest of the virtues because it makes all the
others possible. So the kind of reaction that Trump showed
(08:04):
to the assassination attempt, and by the way, it's not
just one event, it's the way he's reacted under all
the criminal trials. Any other Republicans facing you know, five
criminal charges, let alone ninety one, would have already long
fled from the field. So the fact that Trump not
only endures, but he pushes forward, I think this shows
sort of the caliber the medal of the man.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Denish Desusa our guest, you can follow him on x
by that very handle and vindicating Trump. The film coming
out Friday, September twenty seventh, the book on October eighth.
Denish one of the things that I've really struggled to
wrap my head around. You've mentioned this playboy past and
his reputation, and this character that we've known for the
last forty years plus in American culture, and how much
(08:47):
he was really beloved despite maybe some of these personal foibles,
or maybe even because of them. Being on the Howard
Stern Show, being on Oprah Winfrey, having a show called
The Apprentice, going on all the late night shows. They
were having fun with him, and then sudden that change
that turned and he's not only been vilified, he has
been public Enemy number one declared by the left. How
(09:07):
do you explain this, dinsh this phenomenon of turning Donald
Trump into this supervillain.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
One of the early scenes in our film is the
famous scene of Trump coming down the escalator at Trump Tower.
You remember that, right now, Think of the symbolism of
that scene. Here's Trump, He's this massive cultural celebrity. But
almost look at it as he decides, all right, you
know what, I'm actually going to exit that scene. I'm
going to go down and sort of join the American
(09:38):
people and take up their cause. So the moment he
does that, his old friends go, wait, you're a trader
to your class. You have joined sort of the rabble,
and you're actually now joining with the so called pitchfork
people and kind of coming against us. So this was
Trump's great betrayal. You could almost see it in caps
(10:00):
related in that scene itself. So all his former friends
who are at the top of the heap turn against
him and now begin to see him as the great
rebel and the great enemy.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
We even see at dunsh in recent coverage of Sunday's
second assassination attempt at mar A Lago, whether it was
lester Hold or other members of the media basically blaming
Trump for the second assassination attempt because of the heat
and the divisiveness of his rhetoric.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Nothing that's coming from the left.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Apparently has contributed to this for Donald Trump. When you
see the media coverage of this as we sprint to
the finish now fifty days today until election day, what
stands out.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
To you, Well, what stands out to me is that
we have a media that has gone into the full
propagandistic mode now. So not to say that if I
flash my mind back to the days of say Reagan
or George H. W. Bush, the media was biased, But
bias is one thing, an open adverts he is another.
(11:01):
So I think the press is essentially disclosed that it
is now in the Democratic camp. I mean, we saw
that even in the debate with Kamala Harris, where the
two moderators were almost like two referees in a boxing fight,
and right in the middle of the fight they put
on gloves, jump into the ring and start pommeling one
of the fighters. You know, it's so transparent and obvious
(11:22):
and naked and gross that you begin to go, what
kind of an operation are you people running? So I
think that what's happening is people's eyes are being open
to the fact that these institutions, such as the media,
but also academia to some degree, the entertainment industry are
just ideologically rotted, and the best thing to do is
just to pay no attention to them because you can't
(11:44):
trust them. It's almost accurate to say that whenever they
say something, you should believe the exact opposite.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
That's a key word that you say to Nash, and
I have to imagine that at some point this came
up in your conversation with Donald Trump, and that's trust.
He has enlisted the trust of those around him, only
to be let down time and again by members of
his own administration. We've seen them turn against him, and
a lot on the outside they blame Donald Trump for that,
and they say that this is a guy that is toxic,
(12:12):
that these people cannot work with. I view it a
little bit differently, that this is a man they cannot
control and because of that, they fear him, whether that
comes from the inside and his administration or the Secret Service,
as we've seen now a second failure. Although they did
end up apprehending this would be shooter. How he got
that close and knew Donald Trump would be on the
golf course at that time, it defies logic. And then
(12:34):
you look at the CIA, the FBI, working within their
systems to really try to pin things on Donald Trump,
like we saw with the FAISA warrants and the Russia
collusion hoax and all of that. How do you describe
the element of trust within Donald Trump's circle, who he
can trust, if he can trust anyone outside of a
very very tight knit circle.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
I do think that's a real problem for Trump, because
the one thing we've learned over the last few years
is that the rot goes far deeper than we thought.
When when Trump first started talking about, you know, the
uniparty and the swamp, I thought it was a somewhat
exaggerated portrait that Trump was making for effect. As it
turns out, it was grossly understated. And even Trump himself,
(13:20):
I think under estimated the degree to which, for example,
his own DOJ or or organizations that are not supposed
to even be political. I mean the NIH the CDC,
the health establishment were also infected by this sort of
ideological virus and ideological manipulation. I think Trump is onto
(13:41):
it now. I hope he's taking all the necessary steps
for his own security. But I think that the reason
that the left portrays him as a dictator as a
caesar is that Trump actually has the dimensions to do that.
In other words, one of the questions I posted Trump
is I said to him, I said, hey, you know,
they keep saying you did an insurrection, and you didn't
(14:02):
actually call for an insurrection. I said, but guess what,
if you had called for one, there would have been one.
And if you call for one now, there will be
one now. So you have that kind of dimension, that
kind of power. And one of the really most interesting
parts of this interview is his response to that. So
I think that what happens is and even with assassination,
(14:24):
I mean, think about it, nobody tried to assassinate you know,
McCain or Romney or Paul Ryan. I mean, who would
want to? What's the point Trump has? That kind of
He's a very scary guy to the left, and that's
why they go nuts over him, and they don't go
nuts over any other Republican.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Final question, Denisch to SUSA are guests so glad for
his time, especially on this day. Denish, what was your
biggest takeaway from producing this film from everything you encountered,
all the information and the conversation you had with Donald Trump,
and what will you think will be the biggest takeaway
that viewers will have for this film.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
The film is Vindicating Trump. The website Vindicating Trump dot com.
You can pre order the book there now and tickets
will go up in a day or two on that site.
So you can sign up for email updates now, but
you can get tickets a little bit later this week now.
The weird thing about Trump is that he doesn't, in
a formal way like make the case for himself. He
(15:23):
puts himself on exhibit. He does the Trumpian thing, but
unlike say Reagan, Reagan would say, here are seven reasons
you should vote for me. Here's the case for me
over my opponent. Trump doesn't do that, so I do.
That's really what the mission of this film is. And
it's an unqualified defense of Trump, by which I mean
I even take on the people who say, and there
are people in the Republican camp, people I know who
(15:45):
will say things like, well, you know, I don't like
to goud, but you know I like his policies, or
I just wish he would keep his mouth shut. Or
what they are really saying is they want to like
remake Trump, they want to rehabilitate Trump, they want a
new and different Trump, or they're voting for Trump with
some sort of reluctance, And then I say to myself
and I make the case in the film, No, in
(16:07):
our time and in this situation, we need a guy
exactly like this. I mean, it's kind of like someone
going up to Lincoln during the Civil War and saying,
you know, you got to get rid of General Grant
because you know, this guy is a really honering guy,
and he you know, he uses bad language, and he
you know, he bankrupted his father's store, and he's he's
a chronic alcoholic. The point is who cares? The most
(16:30):
important thing is can this guy fight? Is Ei the
right general for this time in American history to lead
the Union armies to victory? I think a similar question
needs to be vote to Trump or framed in that
way regarding Trump. Isn't it true that Trump as he is,
given his qualities good and bad. Isn't it true that
this is the guy that we need now? And isn't
(16:53):
it true that this is the only guy who can
sort of deliver the goods at this point? So this
is the case I make on apologetically in the film.
So I think people will be energized, exhilarated. The film
is very entertaining. As I mentioned in a very eye
opening interview with Trump, that's the centerpiece.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Of the film, distilling him down to his essence, Donald Trump, good,
bad or indifferent. He is the genuine article. What you
see is what you get, and Denish de Suza had
that exclusive access to him in the film Vindicating Trump
coming out in theaters Friday, September twenty seventh. The website
Vindicating Trump dot com follow Denesh on x at Denesh Desuza,
(17:29):
densh always thankful for your time. Thank you so much,
and thank you so much for doing this film.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
My pleasure, Denish Susan.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
My thanks to Kelly Kacherra, who you just heard coughing.
There were kind of a mess here behind the scenes.
Just so you know, we're barely holding it together, but
I'm doing my best. I hope you enjoyed that conversation
with Danash Again, that film Vindicating Trump coming out Friday,
September twenty seventh at a theater near you. Now, it's
very important in my view that we support these films,
something like Am I Racist? Which I saw starring Matt
(18:01):
These that don't normally get play in usual theaters. If
a conservative voice is out there that you can support,
like Matt Walsh, like Ben Shapiro, like Dneche Dsuza. I
can only suggest in the strongest possible terms that as
a way to fight back in the counterculture is to
show up, to spend your money, and to support these films.
(18:22):
Again vindicating Trump coming out Friday, September twenty seven, I thank.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
You for It's not funny. I know you want to
wait a minute, hold on, hold on, wait, wait, hold on,
it's not funny. Wait, no, it is not Wait I'm answering.
Let me answer it.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Everybody wants to hear the sound of your voice. Sir,
give me a second and I will tell you my answer.
It's not funny.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
That was right.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Feeling back with you and who you've heard there was,
of course KJP, Kareem John Pierre and in the background
our next guest. He is the chief White House correspondent
for Newsmax. You can find him on x at James
Rosen TV. Apparently KJP thinks he doubles as a stand
up comedian.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
James, were you trying to be funny?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
No, it might just come naturally to me. But this
is in the context Ryan of a question that had
been asked at the White House Press briefing about former
President Trump's claims concerning Springfield, Ohio and recent threats that
had materialized in that community, And three or four times
Jean Pierre, in her answer to another reporter's question, have
(19:45):
discussed the fact that this was striking at a vulnerable
community and that you know when you have vulnerable communities
like this, etcetera and so forth. And I think I
heard the term of vulnerable community three or four times
in a sixty second peer. So I finally practiced the
art of interjection, which I'm always forced to do in
that briefing room setting because Jean Pierre has not called
(20:07):
on me since last November. And I simply asked, are
there invulnerable communities? And she tried to say, you're trying
to make a joke, and I said, I'm not joking,
it's really And then I took a lot of abuse
online from supporters of the administration Ryan who thought that
my interjection was racist the vulnerable community to which Jean
Pierre had been referring as Haitian Americans, And really my
(20:29):
interjection had nothing to do with the race. That had
everything to do with the language. The repeated suggestion that
it was unacceptable for anyone to target on vulnerable community
like this raised the question as to whether, in fact
there exists in vulnerable communities too it is presumably okay
to direct such threats. It was really a call for
(20:50):
tighter language and a more precise use of language in
a setting where it's supposed to count for something.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
It's supposed to count for something, James, and they're supposed
to call on reporters that may in fact challenge their narrative,
but they are very reticent to do so. You mentioned
your personal example, but there are other reporters in that
press corps who have been similarly blacklisted as you have been.
I don't recall that happening in the Trump administration. I
could be wrong, and maybe you can set me straight there.
(21:16):
But the exercise that you just went through, James, I
think was so important because they fall into these kind
of set catch phrases. They're almost throwaway phrases at this
point where they don't really think about it. They don't
have to think about it, they're not challenged on it,
and when they are challenged as you did, they don't
really have an answer because it does set up kind
of a buffoonish presence, right, what is an invulnerable community
(21:40):
that would be fair to target?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
They just use this language that.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Is accepted within this kind of catacol of an echo chamber,
and it's never pressed. You did press, and that's not
welcomed in the press, I guess.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Not at least for me.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Look, I mentioned that I haven't been called on by
Jean Pierre in press briefing since last November. That's almost
ten months now.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
And that occasion was where I asked about the entire
edifice of negative polling data against President Biden, where for
more than two plus years his job approval ratings were underwater,
the voters in both parties were giving him poor marks
on the handling of the economy, foreign policy, saying that
he was too old, that he shouldn't run again. And
(22:26):
I asked Jean Pierre if the White House at any
basis for challenging the accuracy of all of that data,
and she said, one ill advised thing after another, the
second even worse. The first ill advised thing was, I
don't challenge the accuracy of all of that, But we've
never challenged the accuracy of all that polling data. Now,
in those two and a half years of negative polling data,
no one from the White House had ever actually credited
(22:46):
the legitimacy.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Of the polling data.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
If she didn't, she didn't really have to do that.
She could simply have said, look, James, polls are one
important metric, and I understand the emphasis you're placing on them,
but there's a lot of metrics to which we pay attention.
For example, when this president goes out on the road,
the enthusiasm he feels is off the charts, you know,
standards spinning and flackery. And and then after saying that
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that they don't challenge the legitimacy of the polls. And
as Jean Pierre told me, we're not going to change
the minds of Americans.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I get that.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
That was a truly stunning acknowledgment that Bidenomics hadn't worked,
that all the slogans hadn't worked, and that they were
going to have to stand for re election without turning
around those negative job approval running ratings. In the end,
they tried that, and in the end, Jean Pierre was
quite prescient. They did not change the minds of Americans.
She said we're not going to and they didn't. And
(23:37):
then again, you know, right before that became manifestly clear,
when the president had had to had to.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Leave the race.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
You talk about catchphrases, Ryan, you know, we were told
that the concerns about the president's age simply reflected the
proliferation of cheap fake videos by slick actors out there
on the internet, all in a day's.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Work, I suppose.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
James Rosen TV is where you can find him on
x You can watch him virtually every night on Newsmax
as the chief White House correspondent. James Rosen our guest,
and he is reporting live from the White House as
we speak. James, I want to talk timeline with you
from yesterday when the attempted assassination, the second one against
Donald Trump, made the news, broke the news cycle, and
(24:22):
Kamala Harris responded to it. She is the current candidate
for president of the United States. It would make sense
that she would respond in some way, shape, manner, or form.
But that we had the President Biden's statement come much
longer after that, and he is the sitting president of
the United States on whose watch this just happened. Can
you put this together for us, and why you feel
(24:44):
the statements were released in the order that they were
and why they were so far apart.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I'll have to check the times of the statements. I
saw that the statements from the Vice President came out
last night in which she said she was deeply disturbed
by this express gratitude that the former president was safe.
I would have to go back and check out the timing.
I know that President Biden spoke to reporters on the
(25:09):
south lawn of the White House as he made his
way to his helicopter this morning, and the President suggested
that the Service may be understaffed, and he said that
the service needs more resources, and he called on Congress
to help them meet those needs. And in her statement earlier,
Vice President Harris had said, the Biden Harris administration will
(25:32):
do whatever is necessary to ensure that the Service has
the resources it needs. Now an interesting split there. You
have the Vice President saying the administration will make sure
the Service has what it needs. You have the President saying,
in essence, it's going to fall to Congress to make
sure that the Secret Service has what it means.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
James Rosen, NEWSMAX, Chief White House Correspondent part two of
my conversation with him. To close out the show for
this Monday, Ryan Schuling Live on six point thirty k
Out Jeeves, in your experience as White House correspondent, you
have a unique perspective that very few people will ever
have what access the media has to a sitting president now,
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whether he was in the race, out of the race,
now he's effectively a lame duck that really hasn't changed
access to the president. And they've had the conduit with
Green John Pierre. That's not the same as you and
I both know. But you're a historian of this sort
of thing as well, dating well back to let's say,
Ronald Reagan, and he was criticized at times for not
giving enough direct access to the media. But in all
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the presidents that have followed and in your time covering
this following this, has there been a president less accessible
to the public, to the media than Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
In a word, No, And a good example of this
came just on Friday when mister Biden welcomed to the
White House the new British Prime Minister Kirs Stormer, who
in ideological terms is aligned with the President in so
far as mister Stormer is the leader of the Liberal
Labor Party over in the UK. Now, when any head
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of state visits the White House, and especially when any
British Prime Minister visits for the White House, that person
in being the very embodiment of the so called special
relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom, that
individual would receive both the honor and the welcome exposure
of a small scale news conference with the presidents of
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the United States at the White House, where a typical
solo news conference by the President with the White House
Press Corps would involve the taking of ten to fifteen
questions over an hour's time, maybe ten questioners what have you.
These shorter, small scale news conferences with foreign heads of
state are called two plus twos because each of the
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press corps, the White House Press Corps that's being visited
and the visiting press corps that's accompanying the foreign heead
of state would each get two questions per se, so
a two plus two. The Biden ris administration meets do
him away with that convention, probably a little over two
years ago now, so that we would see someone like
the German Chancellor all Off Schultz arrive at the White
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House and not get a news conference with the president.
We would see a figure of the statue of Lula
de Silva, the returned president of Brazil, one of the
world's largest, most important economies, come to the White House
and instead of getting a two plus two with President Biden,
he would be reduced to stepping out after the meeting
to the stakeout position the way congressmen do to address
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his own press corps there and so here we had
the British Prime Minister here at the White House on Friday,
and there was no two plus two, there was no
news conference. It's one of a number of different ways
in which the Biden political operation and the communications team
here at the White House have shielded this president from
the press corps.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
And we've seen that carry over to the coverage of
Kamala Harris as well. And I know that's not your
direct beat in covering the current candidate, the Vice President,
Kamala Harris James, but it's more of the same. And
I want to go back, just briefly the final question
and get your take on Tuesday night's debate on ABC News. Now, personally,
I can think of nobody better to conduct a debate
as a moderator than yourself, and whether that would happen
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probably not, just because the network you're affiliate. There you
go exactly, But here's your take.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I know you you're very.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Just very hesitant to criticize your colleagues, but just in
terms of how that debate unfolded, the fact checking being
imbalanced as it was, which I have no problem with
them trying to correct President Trump in real time if
they make the same effort against Kamala Harris. They did not,
and now there is talk of an investigation as to
whether there was somebody at ABC News who had leaked
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some form of the questions to Kamala Harris ahead of
time and promised her that Donald Trump would be fact checked.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
She would not be.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Just your post debatea analysis of how that event all went.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Down, there's no question that the moderators were tougher on
former President Trump. In the very first question, the vice
president was asked for to explain some policy shifts that
she had made over the years, and she said at
the beginning of her reply that she was going to
get to each of the policy areas that were mentioned
by the question, and she got to none of them,
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and that was not followed up. Yes, the follow ups
were reserved almost exclusively for former President Trump. The fact
checks the same. There was one moment where mister Muir
of ABC News posed a question to former President Trump
about January sixth, and the very next question that went
to Vice President Harris was along these lines that mister
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Trump has vowed to prosecute his political enemies after the election.
Is that what you think he's up to here, Madam
Vice President trying to suppress the vote? It was a
complete softball, gimme question for the Vice President in that circumstance,
coming off of a very tough one for former President Trump.
I wasn't too familiar with Lindsay Davis. I have followed
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David Muir for some time and have always admired him,
continue to admire him as a reporter. But I felt
disappointed in the performance that night. That said, for former
President Trump, he could have and effectively did predict that
he would find ABC not to his liking in this
in this instance, and he had to be prepared for
that kind of situation. He also should have been prepared
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for the Vice President making good on her promise that
she was going to try to goad the former president
get under his skin, and she succeeded at various points
in doing that. The former president at times was baited
in discussing long ago controversies like the Central Park five,
and when asked about his challenge to her racial identity,
doubled down on that instead of simply saying that this
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is someone who is a kind of a chameleonic figure
who puts on a different face with different audiences and
so forth, a lot of missed opportunities for mister Trump
by the same pogan, I do think that he spoke
in ways that or so called ordinary voters can more
readily understand. He was the only candidate on that stage
to discuss the price of cereal and bacon and eggs,
and he got off the best line of the night
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when he told Vice President Harris that she owed a
wake President Biden up at four pm the afternoon and
get him out of bed. I don't think he knows
that he's alive. If somebody had to be declared victorious
in that debate, it probably was Vice President Harris, because
she kept her lines of attack more forceful and clear.
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By the same token, it struck me that we emerged
from this much anticipated debate, pretty much the same race
that we had going into that debate.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
A fair analysis and that's what you can count on
when you watch him nightly on Newsmax as the chief
White House correspondent. You can follow him on X at
James Rosen TV. Always generous with his time. James, appreciate
you as always. We'll talk again down the line.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Thank you, Ryan as always, all.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Right, cleaning up with your texts as well. This from
Alexa going back to our number one in Ron Rowe,
the acting Secret Service Director, who was holding court at
a press conference in West Palm Beach updating us on
the second Trump assassination attempt down there ian South Florida.
Alexis says, if July thirteenth did not happened, Trump would
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not have the beefed up security, so it is likely
Trump would have been killed September fifteenth. So no, Ron Roe,
you and the Secret Service leadership have failed.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Screw him for.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Congratulating themselves that Trump was not shot. And as you
point out, if it wasn't for a bystander Ryan Routh
likely would be somewhere across the Atlantic Ocean today. Here here,
Alexa and the FBI had a file on this guy.
He had committed gun crimes in the past, so it's
not like this guy just was dropped out of the sky.
He was unstable, imbalanced. He had participated in some video
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for a Ukrainian front and was trying to recruit fighters
to that cause.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Very strange individual.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
More details hopefully unfolding as the investigation continues, and you
can hear more as well, with Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Coming up next.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Happy to be back. I'm on the end, I'm getting better.
Let's hope Kelly can say the same tomorrow. Ryan Schuling
Live on six point thirty kh
Somebody has to help this country, and if they don't,
the country and the world are in big trouble. Someone's
got to overturn the tables and the temple.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Trump jumping into the presidential race.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Power.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
He's a bit worried of the apprentice guy. You know
the feeling the power, could your hand in it of
wooded the vow.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Power.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
They fear that power. You didn't do an insurrection.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Had you called for one, there would have been one,
and there would be one. We can call for one.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Now I'm not sure I want that power. I want
the power just to make the country better.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
America first, and that scares them a lot about Donald
Trump's caresome.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Let's look at everything campaign is family.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Let's get foreign eyes on him. If we have one part,
you know who he.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Is going after, their companies, their families.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
That is a dictator.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
At the very dangerous time for a country.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
The goal is to put him in jail because they're
so afraid of his voice.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I am your voice.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Bury him so deep in league, it'll bankrupt, broke battle
in kail right before the election. That's hard for being
that guy. But isn't that election interference? It's not interference
if we do it.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
We just want a free and fair election.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Sounds expensive.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Ballots ain't cheap?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Wait wait wait, did you actually say the word buy
the ballots? We were able to purchase ten thousand ballots.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
That's terrifying. They cheated in many different ways. That's all
they're good at. Save democracy.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
We need to stop him permanently, and that person will
be risking his life too.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Bet, it's not to say season right. Just the way
you survived must get me a.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Trump has beaten back every attack against.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Him, the damn terminy.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
We're going to fix our borders, so we're going to
fix our elections. Was that a win?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
It's my legacy s Indicating Trump. The best is yet
to come. Only in theater September twenty seventh.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
The trailer you just heard coming out in theaters coming
up next weekend. That'll be September twenty seventh, Vindicating Trump,
and you can find out more online at Vindicating Trump
dot com. It is also accompanied by a hardcover book
version of Vindicating Trump. You can find that on Amazon
starting on October eighth. No better time to be joined
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by Denish Desuza than right now. Denish, thank you so
much for your time.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Hey, it's my pleasure.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Now as we look at the events of this past weekend,
Dens and now your film and your book coming out
in the wake of that, no doubt leading into this
assassination attempt. A second one was the vilification of Trump.
Your film, your book is about vindicating Trump. How much
of the body politic, of the rhetoric that's out there
right now do you think has fed into this violence
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against Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Well, I think that the Democrats have created the atmosphere
in which these kinds of attacks, and now there have
been more than one of them, become plausible. In fact,
not only plausible, they become almost logical. Because if the
premise is that Trump is a would be dictator, he's
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a would be autocrat, he's a would be Caesar or Hitler,
then it logically follows that it's good to take this
guy out because he could start a world war, he
could create a kind of regime of repression. So the
Democrats in the way in an odd position because now
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they say, well, we denounced violence, and you know, thoughts
and prayers for Trump and so on, but none of
that really makes any sense given their own premise.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Denis Susa joining us Ryan schuling with you and Dens.
The last several films you've made has pointed toward chaos
in our system, whether that was two thousand Mules or
police State, which I also saw, and now vindicating Trump
coming through. And a lot of this chaos has been
blamed on Donald Trump. And yet when we watch him
and his rallies or what he says in interviews or debates,
(04:03):
it seems like he is not only a change agent,
but a restoration to order in the way that the
left pretends or projects that they will provide to the
United States and the world. What do you make of
this framing of Donald Trump by the left and how
Donald Trump has responded to it.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah, he didn't create the chaos. I mean, it's probably
more accurate to say that it created him. Also, for
those who say that Trump is a would be despot,
one of the problems for them is that Trump's already
been in office, so you can ask what despotic things
did he do? How many leading Democrats, for example, did
he prosecute or lock up? Of course there were people
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at his rallies who would say lock her up in
reference to Hillary, but he didn't do it. In fact,
he specifically said, let's defeat her in November. That's a
clip in the film. The film has a very interesting
one on one between me and Trump, very different from
his normal interviews because normally in the interviews he's a
bit of a runaway train. But here I sort of sit,
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you know, one foot apart from him, very focused, and
have a conversation covering some fairly deep topics, including Abraham Lincoln,
his Lyceum speech, the threat of dictatorship, how countries become autocratic,
where the threat comes from. All this stuff is the
centerpiece of this film. I think people will find it
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very eye opening.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Now I think back to Saturday, July thirteenth and the
first assassination attempt against Donald Trump Denesh and in that
time since that you've been making this film. When you
sat down with him, was that after that attempt?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
You know? Happily it was. We were supposed to interview
him two weeks before, and we were really frustrated when
it fell through. But it turned out to be sort
of fortuitous, maybe even providential, because we interviewed him after
the assassination attempt, after the Republican National Convention, so we
were able to over all that in the movie. The
movie also has highly entertaining recreations. We have sort of
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a democratic war room. We have a kind of an
intelligence community war room, a medio warroom, so you can
kind of get the behind the scenes of the left
and the Democrats reacting to the criminal trials, reacting to
the assassination attempt, kind of the kind of stuff that
we speculate about the left but we never get to see. Well,
we bring that out for you to see in the film.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The film comes out Friday, September twenty seventh. The book
is out on October eighth. Its author and the director
executive producer of that film, Denish Desuza, joining us here
with a preview of it. This sit down that you
had with Donald Trump, Densha, I'm fascinated, as you just mentioned,
because of the timing of it, and I know you've
had interactions with Donald Trump in the past.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Was he more subdued, what was his mindset?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
What kind of vibe did you get from him during
your conversation. Do you feel that he's a fundamentally changed man.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I think he is changed to a degree. He's a
little more reflective, a little more measured. But the fight
has not gone out of him. And I think that
is a key point. What the assassination attempt really revealed
was Trump's greatest virtue. And I say this because we're
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always hearing, even from some Republicans, about the vices of Trump.
You know, Oh yeah, he's a massive egotist. He used
to be a playboy. You know, he doesn't tell the truth.
So we get a catalog of Trump's vices, and the
catalog itself is, you know, is distorted and exaggerated. Maybe
Trump was a playboy in his early years. Nobody's saying
he's a playboy now, So the best you can say
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is he's a reform playboy, you know. But there's never
a focus on what Trump's virtues are, and he has
a lot of them, but the premier one, the supreme one,
and the one needed most in the country now is
the virtue of courage. And Aristotle says that courage is
the greatest of the virtues because it makes all the
others possible. So the kind of reaction that Trump showed
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to the assassination attempt, and by the way, it's not
just one event, it's the way he's reacted under all
the criminal trials. Any other Republicans facing you know, five
criminal charges, let alone ninety one, would have already long
fled from the field. So the fact that Trump not
only endures, but he pushes forward, I think this shows
sort of the caliber the medal of the man.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Denish Desusa our guest, you can follow him on x
by that very handle and vindicating Trump. The film coming
out Friday, September twenty seventh, the book on October eighth.
Denish one of the things that I've really struggled to
wrap my head around. You've mentioned this playboy past and
his reputation, and this character that we've known for the
last forty years plus in American culture, and how much
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he was really beloved despite maybe some of these personal foibles,
or maybe even because of them. Being on the Howard
Stern Show, being on Oprah Winfrey, having a show called
The Apprentice, going on all the late night shows. They
were having fun with him, and then sudden that change
that turned and he's not only been vilified, he has
been public Enemy number one declared by the left. How
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do you explain this, dinsh this phenomenon of turning Donald
Trump into this supervillain.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
One of the early scenes in our film is the
famous scene of Trump coming down the escalator at Trump Tower.
You remember that, right now, Think of the symbolism of
that scene. Here's Trump, He's this massive cultural celebrity. But
almost look at it as he decides, all right, you
know what, I'm actually going to exit that scene. I'm
going to go down and sort of join the American
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people and take up their cause. So the moment he
does that, his old friends go, wait, you're a trader
to your class. You have joined sort of the rabble,
and you're actually now joining with the so called pitchfork
people and kind of coming against us. So this was
Trump's great betrayal. You could almost see it in caps
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related in that scene itself. So all his former friends
who are at the top of the heap turn against
him and now begin to see him as the great
rebel and the great enemy.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
We even see at dunsh in recent coverage of Sunday's
second assassination attempt at mar A Lago, whether it was
lester Hold or other members of the media basically blaming
Trump for the second assassination attempt because of the heat
and the divisiveness of his rhetoric.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Nothing that's coming from the left.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Apparently has contributed to this for Donald Trump. When you
see the media coverage of this as we sprint to
the finish now fifty days today until election day, what
stands out.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
To you, Well, what stands out to me is that
we have a media that has gone into the full
propagandistic mode now. So not to say that if I
flash my mind back to the days of say Reagan
or George H. W. Bush, the media was biased, But
bias is one thing, an open adverts he is another.
(11:01):
So I think the press is essentially disclosed that it
is now in the Democratic camp. I mean, we saw
that even in the debate with Kamala Harris, where the
two moderators were almost like two referees in a boxing fight,
and right in the middle of the fight they put
on gloves, jump into the ring and start pommeling one
of the fighters. You know, it's so transparent and obvious
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and naked and gross that you begin to go, what
kind of an operation are you people running? So I
think that what's happening is people's eyes are being open
to the fact that these institutions, such as the media,
but also academia to some degree, the entertainment industry are
just ideologically rotted, and the best thing to do is
just to pay no attention to them because you can't
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trust them. It's almost accurate to say that whenever they
say something, you should believe the exact opposite.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
That's a key word that you say to Nash, and
I have to imagine that at some point this came
up in your conversation with Donald Trump, and that's trust.
He has enlisted the trust of those around him, only
to be let down time and again by members of
his own administration. We've seen them turn against him, and
a lot on the outside they blame Donald Trump for that,
and they say that this is a guy that is toxic,
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that these people cannot work with. I view it a
little bit differently, that this is a man they cannot
control and because of that, they fear him, whether that
comes from the inside and his administration or the Secret Service,
as we've seen now a second failure. Although they did
end up apprehending this would be shooter. How he got
that close and knew Donald Trump would be on the
golf course at that time, it defies logic. And then
(12:34):
you look at the CIA, the FBI, working within their
systems to really try to pin things on Donald Trump,
like we saw with the FAISA warrants and the Russia
collusion hoax and all of that. How do you describe
the element of trust within Donald Trump's circle, who he
can trust, if he can trust anyone outside of a
very very tight knit circle.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
I do think that's a real problem for Trump, because
the one thing we've learned over the last few years
is that the rot goes far deeper than we thought.
When when Trump first started talking about, you know, the
uniparty and the swamp, I thought it was a somewhat
exaggerated portrait that Trump was making for effect. As it
turns out, it was grossly understated. And even Trump himself,
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I think under estimated the degree to which, for example,
his own DOJ or or organizations that are not supposed
to even be political. I mean the NIH the CDC,
the health establishment were also infected by this sort of
ideological virus and ideological manipulation. I think Trump is onto
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it now. I hope he's taking all the necessary steps
for his own security. But I think that the reason
that the left portrays him as a dictator as a
caesar is that Trump actually has the dimensions to do that.
In other words, one of the questions I posted Trump
is I said to him, I said, hey, you know,
they keep saying you did an insurrection, and you didn't
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actually call for an insurrection. I said, but guess what,
if you had called for one, there would have been one.
And if you call for one now, there will be
one now. So you have that kind of dimension, that
kind of power. And one of the really most interesting
parts of this interview is his response to that. So
I think that what happens is and even with assassination,
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I mean, think about it, nobody tried to assassinate you know,
McCain or Romney or Paul Ryan. I mean, who would
want to? What's the point Trump has? That kind of
He's a very scary guy to the left, and that's
why they go nuts over him, and they don't go
nuts over any other Republican.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Final question, Denisch to SUSA are guests so glad for
his time, especially on this day. Denish, what was your
biggest takeaway from producing this film from everything you encountered,
all the information and the conversation you had with Donald Trump,
and what will you think will be the biggest takeaway
that viewers will have for this film.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
The film is Vindicating Trump. The website Vindicating Trump dot com.
You can pre order the book there now and tickets
will go up in a day or two on that site.
So you can sign up for email updates now, but
you can get tickets a little bit later this week now.
The weird thing about Trump is that he doesn't, in
a formal way like make the case for himself. He
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puts himself on exhibit. He does the Trumpian thing, but
unlike say Reagan, Reagan would say, here are seven reasons
you should vote for me. Here's the case for me
over my opponent. Trump doesn't do that, so I do.
That's really what the mission of this film is. And
it's an unqualified defense of Trump, by which I mean
I even take on the people who say, and there
are people in the Republican camp, people I know who
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will say things like, well, you know, I don't like
to goud, but you know I like his policies, or
I just wish he would keep his mouth shut. Or
what they are really saying is they want to like
remake Trump, they want to rehabilitate Trump, they want a
new and different Trump, or they're voting for Trump with
some sort of reluctance, And then I say to myself
and I make the case in the film, No, in
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our time and in this situation, we need a guy
exactly like this. I mean, it's kind of like someone
going up to Lincoln during the Civil War and saying,
you know, you got to get rid of General Grant
because you know, this guy is a really honering guy,
and he you know, he uses bad language, and he
you know, he bankrupted his father's store, and he's he's
a chronic alcoholic. The point is who cares? The most
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important thing is can this guy fight? Is Ei the
right general for this time in American history to lead
the Union armies to victory? I think a similar question
needs to be vote to Trump or framed in that
way regarding Trump. Isn't it true that Trump as he is,
given his qualities good and bad. Isn't it true that
this is the guy that we need now? And isn't
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it true that this is the only guy who can
sort of deliver the goods at this point? So this
is the case I make on apologetically in the film.
So I think people will be energized, exhilarated. The film
is very entertaining. As I mentioned in a very eye
opening interview with Trump, that's the centerpiece.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Of the film, distilling him down to his essence, Donald Trump, good,
bad or indifferent. He is the genuine article. What you
see is what you get, and Denish de Suza had
that exclusive access to him in the film Vindicating Trump
coming out in theaters Friday, September twenty seventh. The website
Vindicating Trump dot com follow Denesh on x at Denesh Desuza,
(17:29):
densh always thankful for your time. Thank you so much,
and thank you so much for doing this film.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
My pleasure, Denish Susan.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
My thanks to Kelly Kacherra, who you just heard coughing.
There were kind of a mess here behind the scenes.
Just so you know, we're barely holding it together, but
I'm doing my best. I hope you enjoyed that conversation
with Danash Again, that film Vindicating Trump coming out Friday,
September twenty seventh at a theater near you. Now, it's
very important in my view that we support these films,
something like Am I Racist? Which I saw starring Matt
(18:01):
These that don't normally get play in usual theaters. If
a conservative voice is out there that you can support,
like Matt Walsh, like Ben Shapiro, like Dneche Dsuza. I
can only suggest in the strongest possible terms that as
a way to fight back in the counterculture is to
show up, to spend your money, and to support these films.
(18:22):
Again vindicating Trump coming out Friday, September twenty seven, I thank.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
You for It's not funny. I know you want to
wait a minute, hold on, hold on, wait, wait, hold on,
it's not funny. Wait, no, it is not Wait I'm answering.
Let me answer it.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Everybody wants to hear the sound of your voice. Sir,
give me a second and I will tell you my answer.
It's not funny.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
That was right.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Feeling back with you and who you've heard there was,
of course KJP, Kareem John Pierre and in the background
our next guest. He is the chief White House correspondent
for Newsmax. You can find him on x at James
Rosen TV. Apparently KJP thinks he doubles as a stand
up comedian.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
James, were you trying to be funny?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
No, it might just come naturally to me. But this
is in the context Ryan of a question that had
been asked at the White House Press briefing about former
President Trump's claims concerning Springfield, Ohio and recent threats that
had materialized in that community, And three or four times
Jean Pierre, in her answer to another reporter's question, have
(19:45):
discussed the fact that this was striking at a vulnerable
community and that you know when you have vulnerable communities
like this, etcetera and so forth. And I think I
heard the term of vulnerable community three or four times
in a sixty second peer. So I finally practiced the
art of interjection, which I'm always forced to do in
that briefing room setting because Jean Pierre has not called
(20:07):
on me since last November. And I simply asked, are
there invulnerable communities? And she tried to say, you're trying
to make a joke, and I said, I'm not joking,
it's really And then I took a lot of abuse
online from supporters of the administration Ryan who thought that
my interjection was racist the vulnerable community to which Jean
Pierre had been referring as Haitian Americans, And really my
(20:29):
interjection had nothing to do with the race. That had
everything to do with the language. The repeated suggestion that
it was unacceptable for anyone to target on vulnerable community
like this raised the question as to whether, in fact
there exists in vulnerable communities too it is presumably okay
to direct such threats. It was really a call for
(20:50):
tighter language and a more precise use of language in
a setting where it's supposed to count for something.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
It's supposed to count for something, James, and they're supposed
to call on reporters that may in fact challenge their narrative,
but they are very reticent to do so. You mentioned
your personal example, but there are other reporters in that
press corps who have been similarly blacklisted as you have been.
I don't recall that happening in the Trump administration. I
could be wrong, and maybe you can set me straight there.
(21:16):
But the exercise that you just went through, James, I
think was so important because they fall into these kind
of set catch phrases. They're almost throwaway phrases at this
point where they don't really think about it. They don't
have to think about it, they're not challenged on it,
and when they are challenged as you did, they don't
really have an answer because it does set up kind
of a buffoonish presence, right, what is an invulnerable community
(21:40):
that would be fair to target?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
They just use this language that.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Is accepted within this kind of catacol of an echo chamber,
and it's never pressed. You did press, and that's not
welcomed in the press, I guess.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Not at least for me.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Look, I mentioned that I haven't been called on by
Jean Pierre in press briefing since last November. That's almost
ten months now.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
And that occasion was where I asked about the entire
edifice of negative polling data against President Biden, where for
more than two plus years his job approval ratings were underwater,
the voters in both parties were giving him poor marks
on the handling of the economy, foreign policy, saying that
he was too old, that he shouldn't run again. And
(22:26):
I asked Jean Pierre if the White House at any
basis for challenging the accuracy of all of that data,
and she said, one ill advised thing after another, the
second even worse. The first ill advised thing was, I
don't challenge the accuracy of all of that, But we've
never challenged the accuracy of all that polling data. Now,
in those two and a half years of negative polling data,
no one from the White House had ever actually credited
(22:46):
the legitimacy.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Of the polling data.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
If she didn't, she didn't really have to do that.
She could simply have said, look, James, polls are one
important metric, and I understand the emphasis you're placing on them,
but there's a lot of metrics to which we pay attention.
For example, when this president goes out on the road,
the enthusiasm he feels is off the charts, you know,
standards spinning and flackery. And and then after saying that
(23:09):
that they don't challenge the legitimacy of the polls. And
as Jean Pierre told me, we're not going to change
the minds of Americans.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I get that.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
That was a truly stunning acknowledgment that Bidenomics hadn't worked,
that all the slogans hadn't worked, and that they were
going to have to stand for re election without turning
around those negative job approval running ratings. In the end,
they tried that, and in the end, Jean Pierre was
quite prescient. They did not change the minds of Americans.
She said we're not going to and they didn't. And
(23:37):
then again, you know, right before that became manifestly clear,
when the president had had to had to.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Leave the race.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
You talk about catchphrases, Ryan, you know, we were told
that the concerns about the president's age simply reflected the
proliferation of cheap fake videos by slick actors out there
on the internet, all in a day's.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Work, I suppose.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
James Rosen TV is where you can find him on
x You can watch him virtually every night on Newsmax
as the chief White House correspondent. James Rosen our guest,
and he is reporting live from the White House as
we speak. James, I want to talk timeline with you
from yesterday when the attempted assassination, the second one against
Donald Trump, made the news, broke the news cycle, and
(24:22):
Kamala Harris responded to it. She is the current candidate
for president of the United States. It would make sense
that she would respond in some way, shape, manner, or form.
But that we had the President Biden's statement come much
longer after that, and he is the sitting president of
the United States on whose watch this just happened. Can
you put this together for us, and why you feel
(24:44):
the statements were released in the order that they were
and why they were so far apart.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I'll have to check the times of the statements. I
saw that the statements from the Vice President came out
last night in which she said she was deeply disturbed
by this express gratitude that the former president was safe.
I would have to go back and check out the timing.
I know that President Biden spoke to reporters on the
(25:09):
south lawn of the White House as he made his
way to his helicopter this morning, and the President suggested
that the Service may be understaffed, and he said that
the service needs more resources, and he called on Congress
to help them meet those needs. And in her statement earlier,
Vice President Harris had said, the Biden Harris administration will
(25:32):
do whatever is necessary to ensure that the Service has
the resources it needs. Now an interesting split there. You
have the Vice President saying the administration will make sure
the Service has what it needs. You have the President saying,
in essence, it's going to fall to Congress to make
sure that the Secret Service has what it means.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
James Rosen, NEWSMAX, Chief White House Correspondent part two of
my conversation with him. To close out the show for
this Monday, Ryan Schuling Live on six point thirty k
Out Jeeves, in your experience as White House correspondent, you
have a unique perspective that very few people will ever
have what access the media has to a sitting president now,
(26:13):
whether he was in the race, out of the race,
now he's effectively a lame duck that really hasn't changed
access to the president. And they've had the conduit with
Green John Pierre. That's not the same as you and
I both know. But you're a historian of this sort
of thing as well, dating well back to let's say,
Ronald Reagan, and he was criticized at times for not
giving enough direct access to the media. But in all
(26:34):
the presidents that have followed and in your time covering
this following this, has there been a president less accessible
to the public, to the media than Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
In a word, No, And a good example of this
came just on Friday when mister Biden welcomed to the
White House the new British Prime Minister Kirs Stormer, who
in ideological terms is aligned with the President in so
far as mister Stormer is the leader of the Liberal
Labor Party over in the UK. Now, when any head
(27:05):
of state visits the White House, and especially when any
British Prime Minister visits for the White House, that person
in being the very embodiment of the so called special
relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom, that
individual would receive both the honor and the welcome exposure
of a small scale news conference with the presidents of
(27:26):
the United States at the White House, where a typical
solo news conference by the President with the White House
Press Corps would involve the taking of ten to fifteen
questions over an hour's time, maybe ten questioners what have you.
These shorter, small scale news conferences with foreign heads of
state are called two plus twos because each of the
(27:47):
press corps, the White House Press Corps that's being visited
and the visiting press corps that's accompanying the foreign heead
of state would each get two questions per se, so
a two plus two. The Biden ris administration meets do
him away with that convention, probably a little over two
years ago now, so that we would see someone like
the German Chancellor all Off Schultz arrive at the White
(28:08):
House and not get a news conference with the president.
We would see a figure of the statue of Lula
de Silva, the returned president of Brazil, one of the
world's largest, most important economies, come to the White House
and instead of getting a two plus two with President Biden,
he would be reduced to stepping out after the meeting
to the stakeout position the way congressmen do to address
(28:29):
his own press corps there and so here we had
the British Prime Minister here at the White House on Friday,
and there was no two plus two, there was no
news conference. It's one of a number of different ways
in which the Biden political operation and the communications team
here at the White House have shielded this president from
the press corps.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
And we've seen that carry over to the coverage of
Kamala Harris as well. And I know that's not your
direct beat in covering the current candidate, the Vice President,
Kamala Harris James, but it's more of the same. And
I want to go back, just briefly the final question
and get your take on Tuesday night's debate on ABC News. Now, personally,
I can think of nobody better to conduct a debate
as a moderator than yourself, and whether that would happen
(29:10):
probably not, just because the network you're affiliate. There you
go exactly, But here's your take.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I know you you're very.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Just very hesitant to criticize your colleagues, but just in
terms of how that debate unfolded, the fact checking being
imbalanced as it was, which I have no problem with
them trying to correct President Trump in real time if
they make the same effort against Kamala Harris. They did not,
and now there is talk of an investigation as to
whether there was somebody at ABC News who had leaked
(29:40):
some form of the questions to Kamala Harris ahead of
time and promised her that Donald Trump would be fact checked.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
She would not be.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Just your post debatea analysis of how that event all went.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Down, there's no question that the moderators were tougher on
former President Trump. In the very first question, the vice
president was asked for to explain some policy shifts that
she had made over the years, and she said at
the beginning of her reply that she was going to
get to each of the policy areas that were mentioned
by the question, and she got to none of them,
(30:11):
and that was not followed up. Yes, the follow ups
were reserved almost exclusively for former President Trump. The fact
checks the same. There was one moment where mister Muir
of ABC News posed a question to former President Trump
about January sixth, and the very next question that went
to Vice President Harris was along these lines that mister
(30:31):
Trump has vowed to prosecute his political enemies after the election.
Is that what you think he's up to here, Madam
Vice President trying to suppress the vote? It was a
complete softball, gimme question for the Vice President in that circumstance,
coming off of a very tough one for former President Trump.
I wasn't too familiar with Lindsay Davis. I have followed
(30:51):
David Muir for some time and have always admired him,
continue to admire him as a reporter. But I felt
disappointed in the performance that night. That said, for former
President Trump, he could have and effectively did predict that
he would find ABC not to his liking in this
in this instance, and he had to be prepared for
that kind of situation. He also should have been prepared
(31:14):
for the Vice President making good on her promise that
she was going to try to goad the former president
get under his skin, and she succeeded at various points
in doing that. The former president at times was baited
in discussing long ago controversies like the Central Park five,
and when asked about his challenge to her racial identity,
doubled down on that instead of simply saying that this
(31:35):
is someone who is a kind of a chameleonic figure
who puts on a different face with different audiences and
so forth, a lot of missed opportunities for mister Trump
by the same pogan, I do think that he spoke
in ways that or so called ordinary voters can more
readily understand. He was the only candidate on that stage
to discuss the price of cereal and bacon and eggs,
and he got off the best line of the night
(31:56):
when he told Vice President Harris that she owed a
wake President Biden up at four pm the afternoon and
get him out of bed. I don't think he knows
that he's alive. If somebody had to be declared victorious
in that debate, it probably was Vice President Harris, because
she kept her lines of attack more forceful and clear.
(32:17):
By the same token, it struck me that we emerged
from this much anticipated debate, pretty much the same race
that we had going into that debate.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
A fair analysis and that's what you can count on
when you watch him nightly on Newsmax as the chief
White House correspondent. You can follow him on X at
James Rosen TV. Always generous with his time. James, appreciate
you as always. We'll talk again down the line.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Thank you, Ryan as always, all.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Right, cleaning up with your texts as well. This from
Alexa going back to our number one in Ron Rowe,
the acting Secret Service Director, who was holding court at
a press conference in West Palm Beach updating us on
the second Trump assassination attempt down there ian South Florida.
Alexis says, if July thirteenth did not happened, Trump would
(33:00):
not have the beefed up security, so it is likely
Trump would have been killed September fifteenth. So no, Ron Roe,
you and the Secret Service leadership have failed.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Screw him for.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Congratulating themselves that Trump was not shot. And as you
point out, if it wasn't for a bystander Ryan Routh
likely would be somewhere across the Atlantic Ocean today. Here here,
Alexa and the FBI had a file on this guy.
He had committed gun crimes in the past, so it's
not like this guy just was dropped out of the sky.
He was unstable, imbalanced. He had participated in some video
(33:35):
for a Ukrainian front and was trying to recruit fighters
to that cause.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Very strange individual.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
More details hopefully unfolding as the investigation continues, and you
can hear more as well, with Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Coming up next.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Happy to be back. I'm on the end, I'm getting better.
Let's hope Kelly can say the same tomorrow. Ryan Schuling
Live on six point thirty kh
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