December 18, 2024 • 33 mins
Laura Carno breaks down the details of the Madison, Wisconsin school shooting as we currently know them, and what procedures and protocols the FASTER (Faculty/Administrator Safety Training & Emergency Response) program is looking to implement in helping prevent such horrible events from happening in the first place.
https://fastercolorado.org/
George Brauchler held a unifying press conference with members of law enforcement in the new 23rd judicial district, where he'll be sworn in as district attorney in mid-January, vowing to crack down on skyrocketing crime in Douglas County and warning would-be criminals to stay out of his jurisdiction.
https://fastercolorado.org/
George Brauchler held a unifying press conference with members of law enforcement in the new 23rd judicial district, where he'll be sworn in as district attorney in mid-January, vowing to crack down on skyrocketing crime in Douglas County and warning would-be criminals to stay out of his jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, yah, and there are so many details left to learn,
but what we know at this point is that this teenager,
according to law enforcement source, was a female, a seventeen
year old who died of a self inflicted gunshot wound.
As you mentioned, police are interviewing the parents.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
As we speak.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
That is absolutely critical as they try to figure out
what the motive was here Aaron. At this point, Chief
Sean Barnes, the chief of the Madison Police Department, could
not describe in detail the motive.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
We have a lot of things that are legal, but
is it the right thing to do? We have to
rise above that and sometimes it requires an evolution of
our thinking. What was written in you know, seventeen eighty
nine may not be appropriate for twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Unless we're okay with kids being killed.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You're offerteing the second, then yes I am.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
And every time it happens we do just about nothing.
That doesn't mean there aren't things we can't do. We
could do things we could support an enact legislation. The
change is the context of gun ownership in this country
and emphasizes gun safety and responsibility with the firearms that
you own and keeping them out of hands of children
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and doing at really vigorous, consistent.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Background checks across the country.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
We could stop selling people, stop to eliminate the ability
to purchase guns without a background check.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
I'm montage there if you will, a sampler platter, Corney Kopeia.
In the second hour of this Wednesday edition, Ryan Schuling Live,
Ryan with you here on the mic along with Jesse
Thomas on the other side of Glass Whitney Wild CNN
with the initial reporting. Then you heard from Madison Police
Chief Sean Barnes and former FBI Deputy Director, the disgraced
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Andrew McCabe, all attacking this from various angles, the journalistic one,
the law enforcement aim, and then the cultural constitutional.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You heard that, and I'm shocked.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Shall I say that the police chief in Madison, wiscon
one of the most borderlined communist towns in America? Boulder
up there, ann Arbor, you know, typical college town, but
that one. He was confused as to the gender of
the individual who was the shooter. Was very concerned about that.
(02:16):
Didn't want to misgender or dead name that shooter because
that's very important, as you know. Also didn't know what
year it was. You heard him say twenty twenty two. Well,
last I checked on my calendar, twenty twenty four is
almost over, so there's that part of it. And then
talking about eviscerating our Second Amendment rights because yeah, you know,
in seventeen eighty nine life was a lot different, and
(02:37):
now he thinks it's two years ago, and even it
was two years later, maybe we got to change some things.
If some you know, out of controlled maniac goes on
a shooting spree, well then we should lose all of
our rights, including that which to bear arms. Let's turn
now to one of the same voices in this entire discussion.
She is doing the good work for FASTER Colorado and
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I'm always fast by our conversations. This is such an
important group here in our state. FASTER stands for Faculty, Administrator,
Safety Training and Emergency Response, and she is Laura Carnell.
You can find out more about her organization at Fastercolorado
dot org. Laura, welcome to the show.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Thanks good to talk to you. I hate that this
topic keeps coming up, that I wish we had other
topics to talk about. But my goodness, what a mess.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Huh, what a mess?
Speaker 5 (03:30):
And every situation is a little bit different, but there
might be some commonalities when we find out more details.
I know, when this first happened, I was live on
the air, and I was very hesitant to jump to
any conclusions.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
We don't want to do that.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
But with the knowledge that we have now, at least
at this point, Laura, as you see it, what is
your response to the shooting, Why it happened, where it happened.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Yeah, and you know, as you say, the news changes
very frequently in the early stages, especially of these investigations,
and and you know, while we don't want to speculate,
there are seemingly some commonalities with this and some of
the other school shootings that we've seen. What's interesting to
(04:16):
me is that when there is the prospect of a
shooter being potentially transgender, potentially from a broken home, things
like that, the news kind of drops it, very similar
to what happened in the Nashville shooting where there where
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that shooter was transgender as well, And if it doesn't
fit a narrative, then the news drops it. I guarantee you.
If this is somebody with you know, let's say, white
supremacist leanings, or somebody who who liked Donald Trump on
their their Facebook page, this would still be front page news.
(05:01):
So my hope for any of these that happen is
that they are investigated soberly without adding politics on whichever side,
without adding politics, because we really do deserve to know
what caused this, what happened with this student that turned
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her into a cold blooded killer. School officials, as school
administrators throughout the country should be learning from every single
one of these.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Our guest is Laura Carno from Faster, Colorado, and just
for a moment, Laura, what your organization tries to do
in hardening schools as targets, because I think it starts there.
We had an analysis from a lawmaker yesterday saying, well,
if you have on site officers, they might not get
there in time, you know, and he's talking about those
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that might bounce from school to school, but that if
you have dedicated personnel, no matter who they are, and
they are armed in that moment, then you don't have
to wait minutes and that can cost lives for law
enforcement to arrive for another location. So you're trying to
narrow I think that timed response is that the paramount
kind of pinnacle of what you're aiming to achieve with faster, Colorado.
(06:14):
But for our listeners out there, take us through the
program what it does and why it's important.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Sure, and let me address that timing because time is
really the enemy in these events. However long it takes
somebody with a gun to arrive is typically when that's
the length of time that the shooting can continue. Sounds
like in this case the killer killed herself before they
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got there. Perhaps she knew that they were arriving. Who
knows that That part of the investigation isn't out yet.
But in schools, let's say that have a school resource
officer who is there. Has happened in a rapa Hoe
High School. It took that SRO. These are members of
our law enforcement community who work in a school. It
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took that SRO forty seven seconds to run from where
he was to the library where the shooting was happening.
And nobody's saying he should have run faster. I mean
he got there as quickly as he could. But Claire
Davis had already been shot and subsequently lost her life.
So the question is should we have concealed carry additional people,
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even in schools that have school resource officers, so that
the killers don't know where the defenders are and can
be in a position as close as possible to the
point of attack to stop that killing and perhaps save
that first child, that second child, that sort of thing.
And what we do at Faster Colorado. There are close
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to fifty school districts in Colorado that have authorized armed
staff programs, the fifty that we know of, and when
they authorize arm staff programs, there is required training. And
what Faster Colorado does is provides their annual training requirement
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that their insurance company requires. And we do that through
what we think is the best program in the state
at utilizing active duty law enforcement and other first responder instructors.
So the people who are training law enforcement today, the
medical professionals who are training law enforcement in medical, in
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technical combat, casualty care, how to stop bleeding, that sort
of thing, these are the same people who are training
the teachers, coaches, Janitor's principles, all of the school staff
who come through our program.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Laura carnos I mentioned doing the great work for Faster Colorado.
You can find out more about our organization Faster Colorado.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Laura.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
As I see it, and as you mentioned, there are
too many of these and I think everybody can agree
on that point. We just celebrated Kendrick Castillo and the
naming of a highway after him and his heroic actions
at the Stem School shooting. We had the shooting back
in my home state of Michigan in Romeo in the
high school there at Oxford, and there were some reasons why,
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and the parents were prosecuted there. As I mentioned, all
these cases are different than Nashville shooting, the Club Q
shooting down south of US here in Colorado Springs. But
there's three different aspects to this that we can address,
and you're addressing one of those, and that is the
target itself and how you reinforce that target, harden it
rather than making it a gun free zone, which I
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think is absolutely anathema to preventing shootings like this. You're
softening the target rather than hardening it. That's one aspect.
There's the mental health aspect, which I'm a big proponent of,
and this young woman was troubled. It goes without saying
that there are mental health issues that contributed to this shooting.
Her background posts on social media red flags that were
there that people close to her either should have known
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or did know, but did nothing. About But then there's
the other aspect we heard about this and the clip
coming in as well, maybe they should just take everybody's
guns away, and guns are the culprit. Guns are the problem.
Access to guns in America it's insane. We need to
limit that. How do you address how this is covered,
because you mentioned it does get political and there's nothing
we can do about it. But in terms of really
(10:24):
finding a solution here, what's your observation and how this
news kind of travels in the mainstream.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Media right, and you know, the left has a playbook,
and in their playbook is they want to remove guns
from society. They want more gun control, and they just
wait for something like this to happen in the news
and say, see this says we need gun control. But
(10:50):
if you listen to the I'm not sure who all
the people were in the audio clips that one of
the audio clips that you played, and he said, we
need to make sure that that you know, juveniles can't
get guns. Okay, we can all agree this was a
juvenile who got a gun. It's yet to be determined
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whether the parents will be held accountable they like they
have in the past. But the other things are okay,
background checks. Presumably her parents if the the gun belonged
to them went through a background check. So what is
that going to change?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
And that's the entire issue is it gets to a
certain point and there's not much we could do. If
somebody is determined to commit a crime and they are
mentally ill, as you mentioned, they'll circumvent laws. And this
is in a post by Dana La Dana lash rather
a Big two A proponent on X. The killer was
a prohibited possessor, in a gun free zone, and used
a handgun.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
None of these.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Changes that a lot of people on the left, as
you mentioned, would like to apply to the rules, the laws, etc.
Eviscerating a second amendment would have stopped this shooter because
this young woman was troubled and was not able to
legally possess a gun herself, was in a gun free zone,
and was not using a high magazine rifle like a
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lot of Democrats would like to ban.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
It was a handgun. So I don't know what law
would have stopped this. I guess right.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
And if one of the speakers in your audio clips
said we never do enough, I agree. I think every
I think we as a country need to make a
commitment and each community can take this on themselves, that
every single school should be protected by armed defenders who
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are not like the coward of Broward, but people who
work there every single day and have made a commitment
and will make a commitment every day to protect the children,
protect the staff. And if every single school ryan had
multiple armed people and the killers didn't know where they
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could be stopped and when they could be stopped, they
will stop going to shoot up schools. And that would
be a really dynamic change in our country if our
schools stop becoming or stop being killing zones. You know,
we look at banks, at jewelry stores, at congress, at
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our state capital, for goodness sakes, even the lingerie department,
at the department store you might find an armed guard
wandering through. How much more valuable are our children than money, jewelry,
congress people, and the clothing and the department store. And
I would argue, I think most of your listeners would
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agree our children are more important than anything we just listed.
Why are these gun free zones? If Nancy Pelosi is
important enough to be surrounded by armed guards full time,
our children deserve that as well. And when you see
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these politicians surrounded by armed guards. That is their admission
that being surrounded by armed guards keeps a person safer.
Our children deserve no less.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Mark Carno Faster Colorado, Faster Colorado dot org. You can
find out more there, Laura, and the time that we
have left, I just want you to address what I
have to believe are some common objections that people on
the left might provide for an organization like Faster, or
the very notion of arming faculty, staff, administrators within a
school building, and that is the notion of liability if
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a teacher or an administrator were to fire their weapon and.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
It turned out to be a mistake.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
They're not really trained in that way to handle that situation,
high pressure environment, and they might make a mistake.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
What if they make a mistake.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
And then a kind of second to that was, we
don't want our schools to become like the wild West.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
They should be gun free zones.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Maybe we fortify them, make them harder to get into,
but we don't want to have members of the staff arm.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
What is your response to that criticism.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Yeah, you know, it's always interesting to hear all of
the what ifs that have never happened, and I don't
mind looking at all of the what ifs. There's the
you know what if a student gets a faculty members firearm,
what if there is a shooting and like you say,
somebody you know makes a mistake and shoots an incent person.
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None of those things have ever happened, and we do
significant work to train so that those things don't happen,
just like they do in law enforcement. But what we
do know continues to happen is that these deranged killers
go on campus and shoot child after child, staff member
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after staff member, with nobody to stop them. And so
the folks that have the objection, I'd like to bring
them with me over to that other side and say,
what are we going to do about these things? Because
those are the things that keep happening. And what was
your second thing, I miss, I forgot that well.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
I want to also give people an opportunity, Laura, just
because of the criticism, and yet it just makes so
much sense to me what faster Colorado does, What it
would represent, the hardened targets that it would present for
a potential shooter. As you mentioned, this wayward shooting has
not happened in such fortified schools. But let's say, people
are going into their winter break right now, over Christmas
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and the New Year's and coming back for a second semester,
and they want to pursue this either as a school
or a faculty member. A teacher is hearing this right
now and they want to find out more. If they
go to faster Colorado dot org, what will they find
out and how can they get involved?
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Yeah, so we've got a lot of information there about
what our training program does because it it is at
its base, a training program, but we also have an
about page and a frequently Asked Questions page, and our
FAQ really walks through why schools are choosing this as
a policy, some of those liability issues. And by the way,
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there are absolutely insurance companies that this is a it's
not weird for them to ensure armed staff at schools.
It's you know, sort of a checkbox they say, okay, gotcha,
Well we'll ensure you for that. But all kinds of
things that helps, you know, whether it's a school staff
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member or school administrator or parents, to kind of get
some of those questions answered. And then we always stand
ready to have conversations with schools. We've got a couple
of retired superintendents who had armed programs when they were
when they were still working, who are with the faster
program that helps schools with all of the stuff that
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isn't training, because there's a whole lot of stuff that
is in addition to training, the policies and procedures, how
they that that participants, all that kind of stuff. So
we stand ready to help districts with that and to
talk to parents if they need some help, and how
to approach their school board and give them some of
the tools that they'll they'll need to answer some of
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those questions.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Faculty, administrator, safety Training and Emergency Response shorter version that's
faster Faster Colorado dot org and Laura Carnal runs that
organization here in our state. Does great work. Laura, always
appreciate your time. Having Merry Christmas, a happy new Year.
We'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Merry Christmas, Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
All right, Lord Carnal.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Joining us there, your response, your reaction five seven, seven
thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Reaching out to George Brockler. Not sure if he's going
to be able to join us.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
He had a press conference today on behalf of the
twenty third Judicial District and cracking down.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
On crime there.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
We'll have the time out your text and much more
still to come. Line Chouling live here on six point
thirty am, Western Rivers.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
I'm not sure if Whiskey River goes through Douglas County,
but it should be Dustin Chesse Thomas coming back with
the Willie Nelson there, Ryan Schuling live with you, and
this from earlier today a.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Press conference down in Dougcoe, the newly drawn twenty third
judicial District.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Then a good team there.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
I think of those of you that live in Castle
Rock and the surrounding area. You've got a good sheriff
and Darren Weekley, and you've got a good district attorney.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Now the first ever in George Brockler.
Speaker 8 (19:40):
Eighth highest rate of violent crime in America. It has
the fourth highest rate of motor vehicle theft, and that's
actually unimprovement. And combined property and violent crime, we are
the fourth worst in.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
The United States of America.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
And I'm here to tell you that in this judicial
district those numbers end.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Now compare and contrasts this what we're hearing out of
Aurora and the excuse making, the obfuscating, the downplaying, the
diminishing George Brockler came out right there and cited the
very poor crime numbers for his jurisdiction and how that
was going to end day one on his watch. He'll
be sworn in in mid January, and he had a
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message for would be criminals outside his jurisdiction.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
If you come down here with the intent to victimize
us or to steal from us, your expectation should be incarceration.
And that is the approach that this District Attorney's office
is going to.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Take to crime.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
It is and Brockler he got nearly downright Trumpian in
this use of humor, I think, but it sent up
very powerful message and so doing about criminals that you know,
do we go into dunk coown and commit a crime?
Do we roll the dice with a sheriff Darren Weakley,
with the district attorney and process like George Brockler, whom
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I'm going to ponder that thought for a moment, but
George is going to try to talk you.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Out of it. This is the judicial district.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
I've asked the good smart people in Douglas County to
draw up the best route for people to take to
avoid the jurisdiction. No offense to our good friends in
El Paso County. Michael Allen, wherever you are, I'm sorry,
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but if you're interested in committing a crime, my advice
is stay.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
North of county line or find a.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
Way around us, because we are inhospitable to lawbreakers.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
And that's the message I want to go forward with.
Speaker 8 (21:40):
We've seen a bunch of things going on in and
around the community, even right up the road here. We're
going to take a different approach, one that I think
worked in the past, and it's going to work better
this time around too, especially with the technology that.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
We have in our approach, So the similarities don't necessarily
end there. Ryan Schuling Live back with you, and George
Brockler joins US Live now. You just heard him, But
holding this press conference I think sends a message. He
hasn't even been sworn in yet, and you saw Donald
Trump at mar Lago hold a press conference before being
sworn in.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Now.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
The only difference where there are many, but the big
difference is there is no existing twenty third judicial district
District attorney right now, but he's being sworn in. As
I mentioned in mid January. He joins US now. George
welcome back, man, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 9 (22:25):
It was It's interesting to listen to yourself played back to.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yourself as you're old. It's like an echo, right.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
I think I sound center.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
You definitely project that way.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
But another thing you were trying to project, and I
think this is very much by design, George, is strength
and deterrence for those who would be criminals in your jurisdiction.
And I thought it was great the optics of having
Darren Weakley there, who's done such a phenomenal job. I
know you've sayg his praises in the past, but I've
just been impressed with this guy every time that he's
held a press conference. This guy's got his head on straight.
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And I think people who live in your jurisdiction should
feel very good about that.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
You know, Darren is phenomenal, and it's hard. It would
be harder to take the aggressive and appropriately aggressive approach
that I tried to spell out if you didn't have
partners like Darren Weekly. But you saw up there, Ryan,
if you watch this thing, you saw the sheriffs of
all three counties, you saw numerous chiefs of police, you
saw representatives from our federal partners FBI, deaatf Ice, you
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saw mayors, you saw city council members from the different jurisdictions.
I mean, when I started off this press conference, I said,
you just have never seen a press conference like this.
These are the kinds of things that usually follow a
great tragedy. This is an advance of a great opportunity.
And that's why I thought it was just such a
good good timing as we head into the holidays, before
the DIA's office launches in mid January, to send the
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message this is not the place you want to come
and commit crimes. You're going to be disappointed.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
George Brockler our guest, and like you said, he will
be the twenty third Judicial District DA down there and
holding this unifying look of a press conference. And George,
I've just got to observe from my position here as
a show host. When I was talking about the entire
first hour that's become a national story in Aurora with
trendy a Raguan and the terrorizing that's going on there
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of fellow Venezuelan immigrants.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
And it's just such a tragedy.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
And we've told the story of Cindy Romero in this program,
but there's just so much discord, disorganization, instability in the
police department. And I'm not talking about the officers who
are doing the hard work to protect and serve, or
even the new police chief who is just new on
the job and coming in in Todd Chamberlain, but he's
got a mess to clean up. And to me, it's
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just a stark contrast between what we're watching unfold there.
Nobody can get their stories straight, nobody's on the same page,
and Boo, you come out with this press conference and
everybody's on the same page.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
The timing. You're right, man, you couldn't have really foreseen
how all these other events go. Like who knew a
few days ago that all of a sudden we were
going to have the apartment complex with what is it,
fourteen to nineteen trend to agua members grabbed up after
torturing someone. You knew stuff was going on, You didn't
know that would be the day. But you're right. And
I think that the election in twenty twenty four sent
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a message to not just at the national level that
was its own mandate, but down here. And I said
this in the press conference too. Look, you look at
the last couple election cycles, the number one vote getters
on all the ballots are the sheriffs and the district attorney.
That's not an accident. There's a reason why people are
invested in this. And so when you have at the
top level the Fed's coming in and saying we're going
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to start to enforce laws, then you hear the echo
from down below at the state local level that people
see every day. There's just a good synergy there. There's
a good energy. And we got asked about the immigration stuff,
and the guy gave the answer that I gave. But
at the end of the day, you know, and it
shouldn't be political. It wasn't like this when I started
prosecution ran the gap between a Republican and a Democrat
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in terms of prosecution. You couldn't see a lot of
I'm the last Republican DA in the metro area. There's
only three up and down I twenty five now in Colorado.
And that comes with a consequence because those other folks,
and they're good folks, and they're trying to do what
they think is right. It's a different approach than we're
going to take.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
George Brockler, let's get another piece of that press conference
as we were watching it in real time here in
the news room, and the message that he had about
the levels of crime that were be pursued and prosecuted.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
In fact, when this ends up on our YouTube channel,
if that's what you kids call it, there's going to
be a video that highlights the difference between us and others.
It is a video of a Loan Tree police officer
who goes out of his way to chase.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Down a bike thief.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
I don't want that to sound smaller tright, because I
don't see it that way.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
My kids live here.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
I've been here for twenty nine years, and I fully
intend that my kids will want to come back here
and raise their kids here. And yes, they should be
able to leave their bikes on the sidewalk in front
of their house.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
George, I'm so glad you made this point because it
goes back to what I feel is Rudy Giuliani's New
York City and how he cleaned that place up in
the nineties. And it started with that broken windows theory
of we're not even going to tolerate small level crimes
so called because they're not small level crimes and they
lead to other kinds of glut in despair. And I'm
not saying Douglas County is heading in a direction, but
(27:20):
you cited some pretty concerning statistics that you are taking
over on your watch, that you're going to try to improve.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
But it starts with.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Local level law enforcement to a degree that you're talking
about that you commit a crime in Douglas County, in
that twenty third district, you will be prosecuted.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
You and I have seen these videos. Man, they go viral,
and that it's the smash and grabs, yes, but it's
the thieves who go into and out of the Walgreens,
the walmarts, the supermarkets with impunity, with almost a condescending
cockiness and self assuredness about I'm walking out with all
this stuff. Don't you dare put your hands on me,
don't stop me. We've seen the reaction from some stores,
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retailers where they actually penalize, punish, sometimes fire staff who
do things like just try to intervene to protect the
product or even to record the crime as it occurs.
And you've seen what that gets. Tolerance for crime begets
more crime every single time. And if you don't believe that,
take your family up to Denver at night, walk around
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the streets. See how you feel. That didn't just start overnight.
That was the product of, well, we're going to be
super understanding and permissive with this criminal element. You can't
do it, and we're not going to do it down here.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Sounds fantastic. It's a mindset, it's a perception, it's a
way of life.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
It's a feeling that you have when you're in Doug
Co and you know that you have a sheriff like
Darren Weekley there and you don't find a broader standpoint.
All the law enforcement that showed up to stand shoulder
to shoulder with George Brockler as he assumes this office
in the twenty third district just phenomenal to see and
I love kind of ending the show on that good
positive note. So, George Brockler, thank you for helping us
do that here today.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
Thanks for having me Ryan. We'll talk to you Suma man.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
You got it.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Merry Christmas to George and his entire your family, and
to all of you. You know, this will be my
last day on the program until the new year. I'll
be back on Monday, January sixth, and we'll close out
with your text after this on Ryan schuling life.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Oh yes, well, Linda Carlisle. I was smitten with her
as a youth. The Go Gos Yes vacation. It starts
for me at the end of today's work day.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
My thanks to Jesse Thomas for carrying us through and
he'll be doing so once again next two days with
Jimmy Sangenberger as your guest host, and I will be
off through the week of Christmas, the week of New
Year's and back on Monday, January sixth. And think about that,
coming back for twenty twenty five. I don't know that
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there's a new year that I have looked forward to
more in my life than this one. With everything we've
been through over these last four years or so, going
back to even COVID, the lockdowns and the masks and
the shots, and just how much better life is going
to be in twenty twenty five. Embrace it, basking it.
You've earned it, you're largely responsible for it. Congratulations to
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the rest who did not vote for the Orange Man,
You're welcome, because life's about to get a hell of
a lot better starting on January twentieth, and I will
be there in Washington, d C. For the inauguration looking
forward to that. Let's get to your texts. I'm all
for more guns, but I feel like this girl was
failed by the system and by her parents. Is this
going to be an Ethan Crumbly thing where the parents
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get charged for allowing her access to guns. I'm a
little bit hesitant. Except in the crumbly case. It was
especially egregious that young man had basically re enacted the
song Jeremy by Pearl Jam, drawing pictures with him on
top lemon yellow son and blood everywhere and kill and
like hello, that's not just a red flag, that's a
(30:57):
blinking red light. That young man was troubled. He should
not have had access to guns, let alone being handed
to gun by his parents. They totally they were a
massive fail. The young man is responsible ultimately, but they
did not help. And that they were charged and convicted.
I don't lose a lot of sleep over that. In
that specific case, Ryan Easy fixed to prevent school shootings
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at schools the grades nine through twelve to include K
through twelve reinstate Jay Rotzi Junior Rozzi in every high
school as per Article one, Section eight of the Constitution
concerning Congressional Congress Training disciplining and arming the militia.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Interesting thought.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Alexis says George did a great job at his press conference.
One of the highlights was presenting a map for criminals
on how to avoid the twenty third judicial districts since
they'll be arrested and prosecuted for their crimes in the
twenty third Sheriff Weekly also said, unlike other areas, Douglas
County will physically pursue criminals if they try to run away.
George said he will add charges if the criminal needs
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to be pursued, for example, a current chase. Let's get
back to sanity and have accountability and consequences. I have
a feeling a lot of people are gonna be moving
to Castle Rock pretty soon. This from Steven Littleton, retire
law enforcement officer. Curious how many das in Colorado will
ignore the laws prohibiting cooperation with ICE. I think there
might be some Aurora PD that, very much on the
(32:14):
down low, might wink, nod and steer ICE in the
right direction. I certainly hope that they do, and I
know it comes at great risk to their own jobs
that shouldn't and we will defend those cops on this
show every single day of the week. These two from
Patty Merry Christmas. Good sir, will Patty Merry Christmas, Milady,
and I help you enjoy it entirely. Kimberly says, I
(32:35):
just want to wish you a merry Christmas and hope
you enjoy your time away and get much needed time
with your family. Have a happy New Year, and I
look forward to hearing you when you are back. Kimberly.
I look forward to you listening when I'm back. And
like I said, I am pumped, I am stoked. I
am so enthused for twenty twenty five and all it
promises to bring. We have a great time in this show.
I wish you a farewell for now, Merry Christmas, Happy
(32:55):
New Year. Jimmy Sangberger will hold down the fort in
the meantime, and I will talk to.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
You again only twenty five. Enjoy everybody, m
Well, yah, and there are so many details left to learn,
but what we know at this point is that this teenager,
according to law enforcement source, was a female, a seventeen
year old who died of a self inflicted gunshot wound.
As you mentioned, police are interviewing the parents.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
As we speak.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
That is absolutely critical as they try to figure out
what the motive was here Aaron. At this point, Chief
Sean Barnes, the chief of the Madison Police Department, could
not describe in detail the motive.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
We have a lot of things that are legal, but
is it the right thing to do? We have to
rise above that and sometimes it requires an evolution of
our thinking. What was written in you know, seventeen eighty
nine may not be appropriate for twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Unless we're okay with kids being killed.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You're offerteing the second, then yes I am.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
And every time it happens we do just about nothing.
That doesn't mean there aren't things we can't do. We
could do things we could support an enact legislation. The
change is the context of gun ownership in this country
and emphasizes gun safety and responsibility with the firearms that
you own and keeping them out of hands of children
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and doing at really vigorous, consistent.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Background checks across the country.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
We could stop selling people, stop to eliminate the ability
to purchase guns without a background check.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
I'm montage there if you will, a sampler platter, Corney Kopeia.
In the second hour of this Wednesday edition, Ryan Schuling Live,
Ryan with you here on the mic along with Jesse
Thomas on the other side of Glass Whitney Wild CNN
with the initial reporting. Then you heard from Madison Police
Chief Sean Barnes and former FBI Deputy Director, the disgraced
(01:44):
Andrew McCabe, all attacking this from various angles, the journalistic one,
the law enforcement aim, and then the cultural constitutional.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You heard that, and I'm shocked.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Shall I say that the police chief in Madison, wiscon
one of the most borderlined communist towns in America? Boulder
up there, ann Arbor, you know, typical college town, but
that one. He was confused as to the gender of
the individual who was the shooter. Was very concerned about that.
(02:16):
Didn't want to misgender or dead name that shooter because
that's very important, as you know. Also didn't know what
year it was. You heard him say twenty twenty two. Well,
last I checked on my calendar, twenty twenty four is
almost over, so there's that part of it. And then
talking about eviscerating our Second Amendment rights because yeah, you know,
in seventeen eighty nine life was a lot different, and
(02:37):
now he thinks it's two years ago, and even it
was two years later, maybe we got to change some things.
If some you know, out of controlled maniac goes on
a shooting spree, well then we should lose all of
our rights, including that which to bear arms. Let's turn
now to one of the same voices in this entire discussion.
She is doing the good work for FASTER Colorado and
(02:59):
I'm always fast by our conversations. This is such an
important group here in our state. FASTER stands for Faculty, Administrator,
Safety Training and Emergency Response, and she is Laura Carnell.
You can find out more about her organization at Fastercolorado
dot org. Laura, welcome to the show.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Thanks good to talk to you. I hate that this
topic keeps coming up, that I wish we had other
topics to talk about. But my goodness, what a mess.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Huh, what a mess?
Speaker 5 (03:30):
And every situation is a little bit different, but there
might be some commonalities when we find out more details.
I know, when this first happened, I was live on
the air, and I was very hesitant to jump to
any conclusions.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
We don't want to do that.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
But with the knowledge that we have now, at least
at this point, Laura, as you see it, what is
your response to the shooting, Why it happened, where it happened.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Yeah, and you know, as you say, the news changes
very frequently in the early stages, especially of these investigations,
and and you know, while we don't want to speculate,
there are seemingly some commonalities with this and some of
the other school shootings that we've seen. What's interesting to
(04:16):
me is that when there is the prospect of a
shooter being potentially transgender, potentially from a broken home, things
like that, the news kind of drops it, very similar
to what happened in the Nashville shooting where there where
(04:39):
that shooter was transgender as well, And if it doesn't
fit a narrative, then the news drops it. I guarantee you.
If this is somebody with you know, let's say, white
supremacist leanings, or somebody who who liked Donald Trump on
their their Facebook page, this would still be front page news.
(05:01):
So my hope for any of these that happen is
that they are investigated soberly without adding politics on whichever side,
without adding politics, because we really do deserve to know
what caused this, what happened with this student that turned
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her into a cold blooded killer. School officials, as school
administrators throughout the country should be learning from every single
one of these.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Our guest is Laura Carno from Faster, Colorado, and just
for a moment, Laura, what your organization tries to do
in hardening schools as targets, because I think it starts there.
We had an analysis from a lawmaker yesterday saying, well,
if you have on site officers, they might not get
there in time, you know, and he's talking about those
(05:54):
that might bounce from school to school, but that if
you have dedicated personnel, no matter who they are, and
they are armed in that moment, then you don't have
to wait minutes and that can cost lives for law
enforcement to arrive for another location. So you're trying to
narrow I think that timed response is that the paramount
kind of pinnacle of what you're aiming to achieve with faster, Colorado.
(06:14):
But for our listeners out there, take us through the
program what it does and why it's important.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Sure, and let me address that timing because time is
really the enemy in these events. However long it takes
somebody with a gun to arrive is typically when that's
the length of time that the shooting can continue. Sounds
like in this case the killer killed herself before they
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got there. Perhaps she knew that they were arriving. Who
knows that That part of the investigation isn't out yet.
But in schools, let's say that have a school resource
officer who is there. Has happened in a rapa Hoe
High School. It took that SRO. These are members of
our law enforcement community who work in a school. It
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took that SRO forty seven seconds to run from where
he was to the library where the shooting was happening.
And nobody's saying he should have run faster. I mean
he got there as quickly as he could. But Claire
Davis had already been shot and subsequently lost her life.
So the question is should we have concealed carry additional people,
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even in schools that have school resource officers, so that
the killers don't know where the defenders are and can
be in a position as close as possible to the
point of attack to stop that killing and perhaps save
that first child, that second child, that sort of thing.
And what we do at Faster Colorado. There are close
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to fifty school districts in Colorado that have authorized armed
staff programs, the fifty that we know of, and when
they authorize arm staff programs, there is required training. And
what Faster Colorado does is provides their annual training requirement
(08:15):
that their insurance company requires. And we do that through
what we think is the best program in the state
at utilizing active duty law enforcement and other first responder instructors.
So the people who are training law enforcement today, the
medical professionals who are training law enforcement in medical, in
(08:38):
technical combat, casualty care, how to stop bleeding, that sort
of thing, these are the same people who are training
the teachers, coaches, Janitor's principles, all of the school staff
who come through our program.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Laura carnos I mentioned doing the great work for Faster Colorado.
You can find out more about our organization Faster Colorado.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Laura.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
As I see it, and as you mentioned, there are
too many of these and I think everybody can agree
on that point. We just celebrated Kendrick Castillo and the
naming of a highway after him and his heroic actions
at the Stem School shooting. We had the shooting back
in my home state of Michigan in Romeo in the
high school there at Oxford, and there were some reasons why,
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and the parents were prosecuted there. As I mentioned, all
these cases are different than Nashville shooting, the Club Q
shooting down south of US here in Colorado Springs. But
there's three different aspects to this that we can address,
and you're addressing one of those, and that is the
target itself and how you reinforce that target, harden it
rather than making it a gun free zone, which I
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think is absolutely anathema to preventing shootings like this. You're
softening the target rather than hardening it. That's one aspect.
There's the mental health aspect, which I'm a big proponent of,
and this young woman was troubled. It goes without saying
that there are mental health issues that contributed to this shooting.
Her background posts on social media red flags that were
there that people close to her either should have known
(10:04):
or did know, but did nothing. About But then there's
the other aspect we heard about this and the clip
coming in as well, maybe they should just take everybody's
guns away, and guns are the culprit. Guns are the problem.
Access to guns in America it's insane. We need to
limit that. How do you address how this is covered,
because you mentioned it does get political and there's nothing
we can do about it. But in terms of really
(10:24):
finding a solution here, what's your observation and how this
news kind of travels in the mainstream.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Media right, and you know, the left has a playbook,
and in their playbook is they want to remove guns
from society. They want more gun control, and they just
wait for something like this to happen in the news
and say, see this says we need gun control. But
(10:50):
if you listen to the I'm not sure who all
the people were in the audio clips that one of
the audio clips that you played, and he said, we
need to make sure that that you know, juveniles can't
get guns. Okay, we can all agree this was a
juvenile who got a gun. It's yet to be determined
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whether the parents will be held accountable they like they
have in the past. But the other things are okay,
background checks. Presumably her parents if the the gun belonged
to them went through a background check. So what is
that going to change?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
And that's the entire issue is it gets to a
certain point and there's not much we could do. If
somebody is determined to commit a crime and they are
mentally ill, as you mentioned, they'll circumvent laws. And this
is in a post by Dana La Dana lash rather
a Big two A proponent on X. The killer was
a prohibited possessor, in a gun free zone, and used
a handgun.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
None of these.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Changes that a lot of people on the left, as
you mentioned, would like to apply to the rules, the laws, etc.
Eviscerating a second amendment would have stopped this shooter because
this young woman was troubled and was not able to
legally possess a gun herself, was in a gun free zone,
and was not using a high magazine rifle like a
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lot of Democrats would like to ban.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
It was a handgun. So I don't know what law
would have stopped this. I guess right.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
And if one of the speakers in your audio clips
said we never do enough, I agree. I think every
I think we as a country need to make a
commitment and each community can take this on themselves, that
every single school should be protected by armed defenders who
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are not like the coward of Broward, but people who
work there every single day and have made a commitment
and will make a commitment every day to protect the children,
protect the staff. And if every single school ryan had
multiple armed people and the killers didn't know where they
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could be stopped and when they could be stopped, they
will stop going to shoot up schools. And that would
be a really dynamic change in our country if our
schools stop becoming or stop being killing zones. You know,
we look at banks, at jewelry stores, at congress, at
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our state capital, for goodness sakes, even the lingerie department,
at the department store you might find an armed guard
wandering through. How much more valuable are our children than money, jewelry,
congress people, and the clothing and the department store. And
I would argue, I think most of your listeners would
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agree our children are more important than anything we just listed.
Why are these gun free zones? If Nancy Pelosi is
important enough to be surrounded by armed guards full time,
our children deserve that as well. And when you see
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these politicians surrounded by armed guards. That is their admission
that being surrounded by armed guards keeps a person safer.
Our children deserve no less.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Mark Carno Faster Colorado, Faster Colorado dot org. You can
find out more there, Laura, and the time that we
have left, I just want you to address what I
have to believe are some common objections that people on
the left might provide for an organization like Faster, or
the very notion of arming faculty, staff, administrators within a
school building, and that is the notion of liability if
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a teacher or an administrator were to fire their weapon and.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
It turned out to be a mistake.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
They're not really trained in that way to handle that situation,
high pressure environment, and they might make a mistake.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
What if they make a mistake.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
And then a kind of second to that was, we
don't want our schools to become like the wild West.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
They should be gun free zones.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Maybe we fortify them, make them harder to get into,
but we don't want to have members of the staff arm.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
What is your response to that criticism.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Yeah, you know, it's always interesting to hear all of
the what ifs that have never happened, and I don't
mind looking at all of the what ifs. There's the
you know what if a student gets a faculty members firearm,
what if there is a shooting and like you say,
somebody you know makes a mistake and shoots an incent person.
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None of those things have ever happened, and we do
significant work to train so that those things don't happen,
just like they do in law enforcement. But what we
do know continues to happen is that these deranged killers
go on campus and shoot child after child, staff member
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after staff member, with nobody to stop them. And so
the folks that have the objection, I'd like to bring
them with me over to that other side and say,
what are we going to do about these things? Because
those are the things that keep happening. And what was
your second thing, I miss, I forgot that well.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
I want to also give people an opportunity, Laura, just
because of the criticism, and yet it just makes so
much sense to me what faster Colorado does, What it
would represent, the hardened targets that it would present for
a potential shooter. As you mentioned, this wayward shooting has
not happened in such fortified schools. But let's say, people
are going into their winter break right now, over Christmas
(16:41):
and the New Year's and coming back for a second semester,
and they want to pursue this either as a school
or a faculty member. A teacher is hearing this right
now and they want to find out more. If they
go to faster Colorado dot org, what will they find
out and how can they get involved?
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Yeah, so we've got a lot of information there about
what our training program does because it it is at
its base, a training program, but we also have an
about page and a frequently Asked Questions page, and our
FAQ really walks through why schools are choosing this as
a policy, some of those liability issues. And by the way,
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there are absolutely insurance companies that this is a it's
not weird for them to ensure armed staff at schools.
It's you know, sort of a checkbox they say, okay, gotcha,
Well we'll ensure you for that. But all kinds of
things that helps, you know, whether it's a school staff
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member or school administrator or parents, to kind of get
some of those questions answered. And then we always stand
ready to have conversations with schools. We've got a couple
of retired superintendents who had armed programs when they were
when they were still working, who are with the faster
program that helps schools with all of the stuff that
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isn't training, because there's a whole lot of stuff that
is in addition to training, the policies and procedures, how
they that that participants, all that kind of stuff. So
we stand ready to help districts with that and to
talk to parents if they need some help, and how
to approach their school board and give them some of
the tools that they'll they'll need to answer some of
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those questions.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Faculty, administrator, safety Training and Emergency Response shorter version that's
faster Faster Colorado dot org and Laura Carnal runs that
organization here in our state. Does great work. Laura, always
appreciate your time. Having Merry Christmas, a happy new Year.
We'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Merry Christmas, Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
All right, Lord Carnal.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Joining us there, your response, your reaction five seven, seven
thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Reaching out to George Brockler. Not sure if he's going
to be able to join us.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
He had a press conference today on behalf of the
twenty third Judicial District and cracking down.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
On crime there.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
We'll have the time out your text and much more
still to come. Line Chouling live here on six point
thirty am, Western Rivers.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
I'm not sure if Whiskey River goes through Douglas County,
but it should be Dustin Chesse Thomas coming back with
the Willie Nelson there, Ryan Schuling live with you, and
this from earlier today a.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Press conference down in Dougcoe, the newly drawn twenty third
judicial District.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Then a good team there.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
I think of those of you that live in Castle
Rock and the surrounding area. You've got a good sheriff
and Darren Weekley, and you've got a good district attorney.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Now the first ever in George Brockler.
Speaker 8 (19:40):
Eighth highest rate of violent crime in America. It has
the fourth highest rate of motor vehicle theft, and that's
actually unimprovement. And combined property and violent crime, we are
the fourth worst in.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
The United States of America.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
And I'm here to tell you that in this judicial
district those numbers end.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Now compare and contrasts this what we're hearing out of
Aurora and the excuse making, the obfuscating, the downplaying, the
diminishing George Brockler came out right there and cited the
very poor crime numbers for his jurisdiction and how that
was going to end day one on his watch. He'll
be sworn in in mid January, and he had a
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message for would be criminals outside his jurisdiction.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
If you come down here with the intent to victimize
us or to steal from us, your expectation should be incarceration.
And that is the approach that this District Attorney's office
is going to.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Take to crime.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
It is and Brockler he got nearly downright Trumpian in
this use of humor, I think, but it sent up
very powerful message and so doing about criminals that you know,
do we go into dunk coown and commit a crime?
Do we roll the dice with a sheriff Darren Weakley,
with the district attorney and process like George Brockler, whom
(21:01):
I'm going to ponder that thought for a moment, but
George is going to try to talk you.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Out of it. This is the judicial district.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
I've asked the good smart people in Douglas County to
draw up the best route for people to take to
avoid the jurisdiction. No offense to our good friends in
El Paso County. Michael Allen, wherever you are, I'm sorry,
(21:28):
but if you're interested in committing a crime, my advice
is stay.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
North of county line or find a.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
Way around us, because we are inhospitable to lawbreakers.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
And that's the message I want to go forward with.
Speaker 8 (21:40):
We've seen a bunch of things going on in and
around the community, even right up the road here. We're
going to take a different approach, one that I think
worked in the past, and it's going to work better
this time around too, especially with the technology that.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
We have in our approach, So the similarities don't necessarily
end there. Ryan Schuling Live back with you, and George
Brockler joins US Live now. You just heard him, But
holding this press conference I think sends a message. He
hasn't even been sworn in yet, and you saw Donald
Trump at mar Lago hold a press conference before being
sworn in.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Now.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
The only difference where there are many, but the big
difference is there is no existing twenty third judicial district
District attorney right now, but he's being sworn in. As
I mentioned in mid January. He joins US now. George
welcome back, man, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 9 (22:25):
It was It's interesting to listen to yourself played back to.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yourself as you're old. It's like an echo, right.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
I think I sound center.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
You definitely project that way.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
But another thing you were trying to project, and I
think this is very much by design, George, is strength
and deterrence for those who would be criminals in your jurisdiction.
And I thought it was great the optics of having
Darren Weakley there, who's done such a phenomenal job. I
know you've sayg his praises in the past, but I've
just been impressed with this guy every time that he's
held a press conference. This guy's got his head on straight.
(22:57):
And I think people who live in your jurisdiction should
feel very good about that.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
You know, Darren is phenomenal, and it's hard. It would
be harder to take the aggressive and appropriately aggressive approach
that I tried to spell out if you didn't have
partners like Darren Weekly. But you saw up there, Ryan,
if you watch this thing, you saw the sheriffs of
all three counties, you saw numerous chiefs of police, you
saw representatives from our federal partners FBI, deaatf Ice, you
(23:26):
saw mayors, you saw city council members from the different jurisdictions.
I mean, when I started off this press conference, I said,
you just have never seen a press conference like this.
These are the kinds of things that usually follow a
great tragedy. This is an advance of a great opportunity.
And that's why I thought it was just such a
good good timing as we head into the holidays, before
the DIA's office launches in mid January, to send the
(23:49):
message this is not the place you want to come
and commit crimes. You're going to be disappointed.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
George Brockler our guest, and like you said, he will
be the twenty third Judicial District DA down there and
holding this unifying look of a press conference. And George,
I've just got to observe from my position here as
a show host. When I was talking about the entire
first hour that's become a national story in Aurora with
trendy a Raguan and the terrorizing that's going on there
(24:15):
of fellow Venezuelan immigrants.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
And it's just such a tragedy.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
And we've told the story of Cindy Romero in this program,
but there's just so much discord, disorganization, instability in the
police department. And I'm not talking about the officers who
are doing the hard work to protect and serve, or
even the new police chief who is just new on
the job and coming in in Todd Chamberlain, but he's
got a mess to clean up. And to me, it's
(24:41):
just a stark contrast between what we're watching unfold there.
Nobody can get their stories straight, nobody's on the same page,
and Boo, you come out with this press conference and
everybody's on the same page.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
The timing. You're right, man, you couldn't have really foreseen
how all these other events go. Like who knew a
few days ago that all of a sudden we were
going to have the apartment complex with what is it,
fourteen to nineteen trend to agua members grabbed up after
torturing someone. You knew stuff was going on, You didn't
know that would be the day. But you're right. And
I think that the election in twenty twenty four sent
(25:14):
a message to not just at the national level that
was its own mandate, but down here. And I said
this in the press conference too. Look, you look at
the last couple election cycles, the number one vote getters
on all the ballots are the sheriffs and the district attorney.
That's not an accident. There's a reason why people are
invested in this. And so when you have at the
top level the Fed's coming in and saying we're going
(25:36):
to start to enforce laws, then you hear the echo
from down below at the state local level that people
see every day. There's just a good synergy there. There's
a good energy. And we got asked about the immigration stuff,
and the guy gave the answer that I gave. But
at the end of the day, you know, and it
shouldn't be political. It wasn't like this when I started
prosecution ran the gap between a Republican and a Democrat
(25:57):
in terms of prosecution. You couldn't see a lot of
I'm the last Republican DA in the metro area. There's
only three up and down I twenty five now in Colorado.
And that comes with a consequence because those other folks,
and they're good folks, and they're trying to do what
they think is right. It's a different approach than we're
going to take.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
George Brockler, let's get another piece of that press conference
as we were watching it in real time here in
the news room, and the message that he had about
the levels of crime that were be pursued and prosecuted.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
In fact, when this ends up on our YouTube channel,
if that's what you kids call it, there's going to
be a video that highlights the difference between us and others.
It is a video of a Loan Tree police officer
who goes out of his way to chase.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Down a bike thief.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
I don't want that to sound smaller tright, because I
don't see it that way.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
My kids live here.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
I've been here for twenty nine years, and I fully
intend that my kids will want to come back here
and raise their kids here. And yes, they should be
able to leave their bikes on the sidewalk in front
of their house.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
George, I'm so glad you made this point because it
goes back to what I feel is Rudy Giuliani's New
York City and how he cleaned that place up in
the nineties. And it started with that broken windows theory
of we're not even going to tolerate small level crimes
so called because they're not small level crimes and they
lead to other kinds of glut in despair. And I'm
not saying Douglas County is heading in a direction, but
(27:20):
you cited some pretty concerning statistics that you are taking
over on your watch, that you're going to try to improve.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
But it starts with.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Local level law enforcement to a degree that you're talking
about that you commit a crime in Douglas County, in
that twenty third district, you will be prosecuted.
Speaker 9 (27:38):
You and I have seen these videos. Man, they go viral,
and that it's the smash and grabs, yes, but it's
the thieves who go into and out of the Walgreens,
the walmarts, the supermarkets with impunity, with almost a condescending
cockiness and self assuredness about I'm walking out with all
this stuff. Don't you dare put your hands on me,
don't stop me. We've seen the reaction from some stores,
(28:00):
retailers where they actually penalize, punish, sometimes fire staff who
do things like just try to intervene to protect the
product or even to record the crime as it occurs.
And you've seen what that gets. Tolerance for crime begets
more crime every single time. And if you don't believe that,
take your family up to Denver at night, walk around
(28:22):
the streets. See how you feel. That didn't just start overnight.
That was the product of, well, we're going to be
super understanding and permissive with this criminal element. You can't
do it, and we're not going to do it down here.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Sounds fantastic. It's a mindset, it's a perception, it's a
way of life.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
It's a feeling that you have when you're in Doug
Co and you know that you have a sheriff like
Darren Weekley there and you don't find a broader standpoint.
All the law enforcement that showed up to stand shoulder
to shoulder with George Brockler as he assumes this office
in the twenty third district just phenomenal to see and
I love kind of ending the show on that good
positive note. So, George Brockler, thank you for helping us
do that here today.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
Thanks for having me Ryan. We'll talk to you Suma man.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
You got it.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Merry Christmas to George and his entire your family, and
to all of you. You know, this will be my
last day on the program until the new year. I'll
be back on Monday, January sixth, and we'll close out
with your text after this on Ryan schuling life.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Oh yes, well, Linda Carlisle. I was smitten with her
as a youth. The Go Gos Yes vacation. It starts
for me at the end of today's work day.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
My thanks to Jesse Thomas for carrying us through and
he'll be doing so once again next two days with
Jimmy Sangenberger as your guest host, and I will be
off through the week of Christmas, the week of New
Year's and back on Monday, January sixth. And think about that,
coming back for twenty twenty five. I don't know that
(29:49):
there's a new year that I have looked forward to
more in my life than this one. With everything we've
been through over these last four years or so, going
back to even COVID, the lockdowns and the masks and
the shots, and just how much better life is going
to be in twenty twenty five. Embrace it, basking it.
You've earned it, you're largely responsible for it. Congratulations to
(30:13):
the rest who did not vote for the Orange Man,
You're welcome, because life's about to get a hell of
a lot better starting on January twentieth, and I will
be there in Washington, d C. For the inauguration looking
forward to that. Let's get to your texts. I'm all
for more guns, but I feel like this girl was
failed by the system and by her parents. Is this
going to be an Ethan Crumbly thing where the parents
(30:34):
get charged for allowing her access to guns. I'm a
little bit hesitant. Except in the crumbly case. It was
especially egregious that young man had basically re enacted the
song Jeremy by Pearl Jam, drawing pictures with him on
top lemon yellow son and blood everywhere and kill and
like hello, that's not just a red flag, that's a
(30:57):
blinking red light. That young man was troubled. He should
not have had access to guns, let alone being handed
to gun by his parents. They totally they were a
massive fail. The young man is responsible ultimately, but they
did not help. And that they were charged and convicted.
I don't lose a lot of sleep over that. In
that specific case, Ryan Easy fixed to prevent school shootings
(31:17):
at schools the grades nine through twelve to include K
through twelve reinstate Jay Rotzi Junior Rozzi in every high
school as per Article one, Section eight of the Constitution
concerning Congressional Congress Training disciplining and arming the militia.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Interesting thought.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Alexis says George did a great job at his press conference.
One of the highlights was presenting a map for criminals
on how to avoid the twenty third judicial districts since
they'll be arrested and prosecuted for their crimes in the
twenty third Sheriff Weekly also said, unlike other areas, Douglas
County will physically pursue criminals if they try to run away.
George said he will add charges if the criminal needs
(31:54):
to be pursued, for example, a current chase. Let's get
back to sanity and have accountability and consequences. I have
a feeling a lot of people are gonna be moving
to Castle Rock pretty soon. This from Steven Littleton, retire
law enforcement officer. Curious how many das in Colorado will
ignore the laws prohibiting cooperation with ICE. I think there
might be some Aurora PD that, very much on the
(32:14):
down low, might wink, nod and steer ICE in the
right direction. I certainly hope that they do, and I
know it comes at great risk to their own jobs
that shouldn't and we will defend those cops on this
show every single day of the week. These two from
Patty Merry Christmas. Good sir, will Patty Merry Christmas, Milady,
and I help you enjoy it entirely. Kimberly says, I
(32:35):
just want to wish you a merry Christmas and hope
you enjoy your time away and get much needed time
with your family. Have a happy New Year, and I
look forward to hearing you when you are back. Kimberly.
I look forward to you listening when I'm back. And
like I said, I am pumped, I am stoked. I
am so enthused for twenty twenty five and all it
promises to bring. We have a great time in this show.
I wish you a farewell for now, Merry Christmas, Happy
(32:55):
New Year. Jimmy Sangberger will hold down the fort in
the meantime, and I will talk to.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
You again only twenty five. Enjoy everybody, m
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