Lori Gimelshteyn, founder of Colorado Parent Advocacy Network, joins Roaring Fork school board candidate Elizabeth Taylor to discuss the theft of campaign signs across the district.
Campaign Interference
Michael Brown, host of The Situation and former FEMA director under President George W. Bush, reflects on the life and times of Vice President Dick Cheney (1941-2025), who died Monday evening at the age of 84.
https://khow.iheart.com/featured/the-michael-brown-show/
Also, MDB discusses his move to KOA, starting on Monday, November 10.
Jon Caldara, president of the Independence Institute, joins Ryan to discuss Colorado attorney general Phil Weiser's push to circumvent the state's non-partisan 12-member commission - approved by voters in a 2018 ballot measure - on Congressional district maps and authorize a gerrymandering process to counter redistricting measures in Texas and other 'red' states.
https://completecolorado.com/2025/11/04/weiser-supports-partisan-gerrymandering-to-trump-proof-colorado/
Campaign Interference
Michael Brown, host of The Situation and former FEMA director under President George W. Bush, reflects on the life and times of Vice President Dick Cheney (1941-2025), who died Monday evening at the age of 84.
https://khow.iheart.com/featured/the-michael-brown-show/
Also, MDB discusses his move to KOA, starting on Monday, November 10.
Jon Caldara, president of the Independence Institute, joins Ryan to discuss Colorado attorney general Phil Weiser's push to circumvent the state's non-partisan 12-member commission - approved by voters in a 2018 ballot measure - on Congressional district maps and authorize a gerrymandering process to counter redistricting measures in Texas and other 'red' states.
https://completecolorado.com/2025/11/04/weiser-supports-partisan-gerrymandering-to-trump-proof-colorado/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Down the stecche we go get those ballots in if
you haven't already, make sure you mark those up and
drop those off. Obviously not in the mail at this point,
but you're nearest receiving lock box where you can file
those ballots. I've done so myself, did's so quite a
while ago, and for the most part, one of the
most important races you'll find on there throughout the state
(00:22):
of Colorado are your state school board races and the
general election for those in various districts. Now, for me,
just as an example, I live in Greenwood Village, which
is part of the Cherry Creek.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
School District, which used to be.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
The premier public school district not only in the state
of Colorado, but throughout this rocky mountain region. It has
fallen far and fast, and on the watch predominantly, you
guessed it of leftists who are advancing their woke agendas
through their school board, through the superintendent, through the principles
to the teach And if you want to check in
(01:02):
balance against that, I can only speak to the two
women who were on the ballot who I voted for
and supported. So if you're still doing that and you're
waiting for me. Well, you've waited a little too long,
but here you go. Tatiana Sturm would be one and
Amanda Fayir the other. And that's just in Cherry Creek.
You no doubt have those on your ballot. And in
(01:22):
the case of Cherry Creek and many others, they are
non partisan racist, so they don't tell you what party
they're a part of, or whether the conservative or liberal
or democratic socialists like Zaron Mundani.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And that takes us to our next story.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
This is wild one of the great school board races
just by name in the state, Roaring Fork.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'm ready, you got my attention with that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
However, there's another layer to this story, and joining us
now one of the candidates for that race and Roaring
Fork Elizabeth Taylor, great name, legendary in fact, and our
good friend Lori Gimmelstein, founder of Colorado Parent Advocacy Network.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
And this story needs to be told. I don't know
that I can do it.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Justice, So Laurie, I'll turn to you first, because you're
the one who issued the press release and notified me
of this.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
But in a nutshell, what the heck happened here?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, thank you so much for having us on the
show today, Ryan, we are just excited about the election,
and unfortunately, as we're seeing.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Across the state that there has been so much campaign.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Interference, especially with campaign signs going missing, they're being stolen,
We're seeing them spray painted with flawstickas, and you know,
it's just it's.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Terrible to see the interference.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
That goes into a vocal school board election.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And so Elizabeth Taylor, who's ready for.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Rooring Fork, really just striving to bring back parental partnerships,
really strong academics, safe schools. She's putting our campaign.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Signs out that her donors have donated to help her
cover these expenses.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
She's putting them in areas where it's legal and it's
allowed forty five days before the election, and they start
going missing, and this is a significant expense to her campaign.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
And so she decided she was going to.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Place some air tags inside a couple signs to see
if they were stolen, where they might end up. And
that is where things got a little bit crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
And I think I'll let Elizabeth share what happened.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, Elizabeth, just real quick.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I know that this has been a tendency in many
races from Trump on down over the last several years.
I gave my uncle Dave a yard sign in Lansing,
Michigan for Trump.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
It was gone the next day.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
He had a banner hanging up outside of his fence
on his house that was taken down. And it just
seems to me that you are obviously a political threat
to them, but rather than engaging you in debate or
trying to beat you on the merits of their policies, Elizabeth,
they're simply taking away your signs.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
What gives?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
That's right? Thank you, Thank you so much for.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Having me on Ryan.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yet all I know is I would I place several
signs out in the very legal place near the Eagle
County building at Algebel And I guess after the first
batch and the second batch, I did file two different
police reports. And so what happened was the third time,
the third batch that we put out, they I just
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decided to put a couple of air tags in them.
I had no idea what was going to happen after that.
It was just sort of a whim as far as
I was concerned. And the next morning I just noticed
they had moved. They moved to the staff parking lot
of the Basalton Elementary School staff parking lot in just
very close to my house, so I thought that was curious.
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I wanted to make sure my phone was not glitching,
so I asked a friend to go and check and
just make sure that my signs were indeed missing, and
they were, so it wasn't just my signs, it was
also another friend who is running. Her name is Jody Bard.
Her signs were also missing. So we decided, you know,
let's let's try to locate our stolen property. So I
(05:08):
long story short, we just were able to determine which
car had the air tags in them and were able
to you know, we followed the We didn't follow personally,
but we followed. We looked at the at where they
were heading after school, and it turned out that they
ended up at a residence. And that's that's where we
(05:32):
all we know right now is that they ended up
at somebody's residence. And it turns out that residence was
where a teacher resides. So that was not what I
was expecting at all. And and then you.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Know, later on, the.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Tags ended up further. They moved away from the residents
and ended up in the trash can of a nearby
gas station and on the side of the road. So
we're just trying to let you know, let it, let
the investigation keep going. But that's how that's all we
can say right now. But it's very curious to see
that's happening.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Curious indeed, Elizabeth Taylor, the voice you just heard, no
shortage of name recognition really for her in that district
by association anyway, And that's the Roaring Fork School board
race in which her signs were commandeered, taken away, one
of them ended up in the parking lot of an.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Elementary school there.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And also joining us Laura Gimmelstein, founder of Colorado Rather
Parent Advocacy Network. Now, Laurie, to the degree that you're
able to give us details on the law enforcement angle
of this from the Eagle County Sheriff's office, how cooperative helpful.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Have they been and where does the investigation go from here?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, so I will start by stating I am not
involved greatly with their investigation.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Elizabeth filed an instant report with CPN last Friday.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
We've been working with.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Her over the weekend to unsure that all of the
evidence was verifiable, and Elizabeth was very adamant and did
a great job reporting this to the Sheriff's apartment, and
from my understanding, they've been incredibly helpful and they are uh.
This is currently under investigation and Elizabeth does intend to
(07:17):
move forward and file formal charges. I mean, this is
a criminal offense. It's interfering with elections.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
You know, some people might.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Say that, you know, it's just as signed, but it's
not just the sign.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
This is why we have.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
So many issues with elections in our state because there
is so much interference. And interestingly, you know, when when
you think about the teachers.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Union involvement, and I know many people across the state
recognized and understand that the teachers' union has really become
a political arm and getting candidates into office from school
boards all the way through Congress that align with their mission,
and they're using our taxpayer dollars, We the people pay
those salaries of teachers that then have that money withdrawn
(07:58):
from their salaries and sent to the union, and then
they're using our taxpayer dollars against us to.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Undermine these elections and get their candidates elected.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I think that that's a conversation.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
That we really need to dig into over the next
several weeks after today's election, and I'm hopeful for races
across the state and that we can return common sense
to our public schools here in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Elizabeth's final question for you then, as I mentioned earlier,
the fact that they're taking your signs means that you're
over the target. Why do you think that they're so
afraid of what you might do for the school board?
Speaker 5 (08:34):
I don't know. I mean, I honestly just want to
bring truth and integrity back to the schools. And I
feel that my voice is important and I would like
to be a representative for other voices like me, for
other parents and community members. And I'm not sure. I
can't say why they would like to silence that, but
it's been my experience, so I'd like to just press
(08:55):
ahead and be the best representative that I can for
other parents we definitely need. Maybe that's what Maybe that's
just something that they don't want, but that's what I'm
trying to push for.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Thank you, Yeah, absolutely, And empowering parents and building that
bridge and that association.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
That's what a PTA is for.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
It is the opposite of what Terry mccauliffe campaigned on
four years ago. In Virginia, which she said he didn't
want parents in the classroom, He didn't want parents having
a voice and to say of curriculum and what teacher's taught.
But Elizabeth Taylor an example of exactly the kind of
person who we need on these school boards, and they
feel threatened by her. That's why the signs disappeared. Roaring
(09:37):
Fork is the school district where she is running. Elizabeth
Taylor's thank you so much for your time today, best
of luck in this race tonight will follow up indeed,
and Lurie, thanks for bringing this to our attention.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Thank you, Ryan, Thank you so much, Bryan, you got it.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Lori Gimmelstein, and then again there the founder of the
Colorado Parent Advocacy Network and Elizabeth Taylor running for the
school board. They're in Roaring Fork. Make sure to fill
out those ballots. Educate yourselves on the candidates for the
school boards. Because the party affiliations are not listed on those,
you really have to do a little bit of digging,
and so make sure you get those filled out and
turned in today before seven pm. I believe it is
(10:16):
Jesse's got his ballot and I think five seven, seven
thirty nine the text line. And let's go to some
of those right now, Ryan, I got my No L
and No M. Turned in very good job. Yes, props
L L and MM. This was a school lunch program
that you might recall Governor Jared Polus had piloted and
(10:37):
championed a couple of years ago, and we knew back then,
like Byron Donald just said, for the break, there's no
such thing as a free lunch.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Somebody's paying for it. Somebody's paying for it.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
And for those who are lacking of means, who the
parents are struggling. I remember I was in first second grade,
and I've told the story man many times about how
my family really struggled in the late seventies in the
Carter administration.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I know a lot of you did too.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
And then ultimately in the roaring eighties of the Reagan administration,
we became a great success story. My family was very
much coinciding with the change in leadership there and the
economy that was unleashed. But before then, talking early eighties,
there was a recession in first couple of years of
Ronald Reagan's tenure as president.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Wasn't his fault.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I don't think he was implementing policies that would ultimately work.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
But I was on reduced lunches.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I did that, and I had a stamp on my
hand that I had to, you know, bring through the line,
and a lot of kids, you know, they feel a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Embarrassed about that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So kids that need the school lunch program, absolutely that
should be funded.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
But this is piecemeal chipping.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Away further and further more and more of a boondoggle,
upside down investment that cannot be funded. So why are
they come coming back to us asking for more money.
We cleared the program, you said you had the means
to pay for it, but now it's it's underwater.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Please explain that.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And now we're just going to tax the people that
make over three hundred thousand dollars. But as I talked
about with Jimmy Sangenberger earlier, it's not gonna stop there, folks,
because they're gonna start. They're gonna keep spending like drunken sailors.
These are tax and spend liberals. All tax revenues are fungible,
so they won't necessarily go to the school lunch program.
They'll spend it on something else, and then they'll need
more money because that money's been displaced for the school
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lunch program all over again. It's a shell game. It
is a shell game. Don't incentivize it, don't enable it.
Don't let them use these sob stories. I've seen the
TV ads for it. There's little kids getting their lunches. Oh,
you want them to starve, and like, of course you
don't want them to starve. But the answer isn't this
again boondoggle program that is collapsing under the weight of
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itself as we knew what happen?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You know, socialism.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
The problem with socialism, Margaret Thatcher said it right is
eventually you run out of other people's money.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
And you're gonna run out of other people's money in
New York.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
City and maybe here because those who are innovators, job creators,
high earners.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
They're gonna go elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
They're gonna take their taxable income and go to a
state that doesn't punish them for their success, like Florida,
like Texas, like Tennessee and just you watch and just
you wait. If so on Mam Donnie wins tonight, there
will be an exodus from New York City. That tax
base will diminish to where all these pie in the
(13:40):
sky programs that Donnie wants to implement, free lunches, free busses,
who pays for the busses, who cares? We'll find out no,
he will run that city into the ground. And a
lot of people and I get this viewpoint, are of
a mind now where it's like, you know what, let them,
let them, You get what you just isa. You get
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the leadership that you deserve. And you might not like
it here in Colorado as a Republican because we don't
have many any Republican leaders at the statewide level, but
we're getting what we deserve. And until or unless people
smart en up, especially people in Denver and Boulder, that
we are going to continue to suffer under the yoke
of the policies of socialist kind of policy that we've
seen past through the General Assembly already, that undermine our
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rights as Colorado citizens, that take away our income in
the form of taxes and fees, especially the fees. And again,
until or unless people smart en up and they've had enough,
then we're going to get what we deserve and will
continue to get that. Another text, Ryan, I have socks
older than Undannie. Why would New Yorkers vote in somebody
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with so little experience.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
It's not about that, It's about the vibes.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Okay, get you got to understand how the young people
vote here, and they're voting, I guess in massive numbers.
The early vote returns are coming in. I've seen young
people interviewed on the streets of New York Man and
in otherwise.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
They don't get it. They don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Their knowledge base of what socialism is, what communism is,
it is muted.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It is literally in the sense of this word retarded.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It is slowed because it's not taught in schools anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
The evils of communism.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Even my left leaning teachers I knew were liberal in
high school and college that taught me things like American history,
social sciences, they would speak about the evils of communism
during the fall of the Soviet Union. But it's been
so long that I have to put this in proper context.
As a gen xer, I went through a totally different
(15:38):
experience in my education than a gen z is coming through.
That has literal socialists who are probably younger than me
teaching them or not teaching them, and so they don't know,
they don't understand, they don't have historical context as to
why the Soviet Union was so awful and evil.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
At least they cover that on strings things. If you watch.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
That, that Netflix series set in the eighties. Now, I
don't want to give too much away, but Jesse's nodding,
he knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You get the.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Sheriff there who is held as a prisoner in the
former Soviet Union, and it is terrible.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It's not desirable.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
There was another series called Glow about professional women's wrestling,
also on Netflix, I believe, and one of the villain
characters was from Soviet Russia. You know, you had Yakov Smirnoff,
who had escaped the Soviet Union, telling jokes about this like.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
In Soviet Russia.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
You don't watch TV, TV watches you you know, things
like this, a police state that, for some reason leftists
are all too cozy and comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Now, govern me harder.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Daddy, like, no, No, we want our individual rights, freedom, liberties.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
We need them. We don't sacrifice them.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We don't trust that government is going to keep us
safe and secure. To give them more money, if to
give them more power, if we submit to their whims
and demands. During COVID that was a turning point for
a lot of people. Another Texter, Ryan Colorado, GOP needs
to compile a list of every candidate who leans left
and who leans right. It makes voting much easier. I
(17:25):
can't believe they don't do this. That's a great point,
you know. I can only focus on so much of
my own kind of bandwidth and radar and what I'm
voting for.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And I told you.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
About the If you're in the Cherry Creek School District,
vote for the ladies on the ballot and I'll save
them one more time, Amanda Fayer and Tatiana Sterm. But
that's the race I'm following. That's that was the one
that was on my ballot. But you're right, if they
were voting initiatives projects, you know, people that were concerned
about these school board races, which everybody should be, then yeah,
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there should be a voting guide by all means, and
that there would be an explanation. It's okay, who are
the palatable candidates here? Who are the pro parent candidates here?
Who are the conservative candidates here that are going to
serve as some kind of bulwark, some kind of checking
ballots against the far left radical policies that have run
rough shot over our schools. They're unchecked. It's like a
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train going downhill out of control. There's no regulation, there's
no barriers, there's no guardrails on these policies and these schools,
and they're insane. And many of you parents know exactly
what I'm talking about. So hopefully you've gotten your ballot in,
Hopefully you've done that research, and you're right.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You got to make this easier for people.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Somebody that makes it easier for everybody and pursuing their rights,
liberties and freedoms.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
From the Independence.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Institute, John kel Dara joins us next on Ryan Schuling
live ellis.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
I wonder if you've looked back and some of the
things that you thought.
Speaker 8 (19:04):
At the time.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
Maybe you said at the time.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
That the United States would the.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Greatest liberators, for example, if you think looking back, that
might have raised expectations for the American people about what
to expect in Iraq that maybe.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Weren't met you.
Speaker 10 (19:20):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 11 (19:21):
I think on Iraq we got the big, big issues, right.
I think when Alla said and done, from the perspective
of history, the vast majority of the Iraqi people grateful
for what we did. Far better to have their democracy
that's now in place rather than Saddam Husain Ruin, and
the world's a far safer place because of what we did.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Vice President Dick Cheney passing away last night at the
age of eighty four, with family members surrounding him. He
had had health issues, as many of you know over
these last several years.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Joining us now.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
He served in the Bush administration as the director of FEMA,
and of course you know him best as the host
of the Situation with Michael Brown, which is moving over
to KOA starting next week on Monday. He joins US
now in Ryan Schuling Live. Michael, thanks for taking the time.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
You've got great music there.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, you know, I like to take credit for that
one too.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
Tell Jesse, Yeah, Jesse, good job.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, Jesse does that, and I appreciate him being here
as well. Michael was Vice President Cheney Wright. Did we
get kind of the the big issues about Iraq right?
Speaker 5 (20:24):
No?
Speaker 8 (20:25):
No.
Speaker 12 (20:26):
The only thing that the only thing that I would
say that we probably got right, and I think most people.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
Disagree with me on this.
Speaker 12 (20:33):
Is in I do believe there will reples of mass destruction, but.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
We took so long.
Speaker 12 (20:41):
To get those d m d s, which we took
so long to get the war initiated.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
The fact gave saw.
Speaker 12 (20:46):
Him, who's saying, plenty of time to get it back
to the Russians, get it into Syria, get it into Lebanon,
get it, you know, out of the country. And I
just think that was a mistake. And I think most
I should say most. For example, I've got someone that
listens to my program that was there and he happens
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to agree that, Yeah, it took so long for you know,
you can't just pick up an army and move him
in twenty four hours and the overseas and doo an
invasion like that, and it just took a while, and
he got the WMD moved. Otherwise, we tried to engage
in regime change. We don't understand the difference between the
swingings and that she is and the she ikes, and
we just kind of screwed it up.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Michael.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
We remember his last act, at least I do, vice
President Cheney endorsing Kamala Harris, and I just thought how
far this guy had fallen from the lofty expectations that
were in place when he agreed to be vice president
for George W. Bush in the first place, the experience
that he brought to that position. How do you think
history will remember Dick Cheney.
Speaker 12 (21:54):
Probably as a very good advisor. I mean, he was
a very strong willed, good advisor. But I think you'll
you'll never be able to compare Cheney alone. You'll have
to compare Chaney with how he dealt with Bush, and
then how he dealt vice presidency doing stupid stuff like
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endorsing Kamala Harris. He became a Democrat at that point.
I don't care what people say. He became a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Did you have any extended personal interactions to Vice President
Cheney during your time in the administration?
Speaker 12 (22:30):
A few times, and they were always fairly tense. I
found the staff to be incredibly helpful, incredibly useful. They
were very good to me. Scooter Libby got a raw deal.
To this day, I don't think the Scooter Liby should
have ever been and died and let alone. And thankfully
I think Bush should have pardoned him. But at least
Bush gave him a commutation of the sentence. But he
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should never been charged in the first place. But a
few times I did have an interaction with the Vice president.
They were okay save for the last one, and that
was during Katrina when he completely blew off one of
my staffer's briefings and I had to literally go jump
in front of him and hand him the briefing book
and say, you know, you finally get back on the
Air Force too. You really got to take a look
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at this. I don't think you appreciated that comment.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
We appreciate all of his comments.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Michael Brown joining us before his exodus over to Koa.
There's one more part of this that I'd like you
to respond to, Michael Brown. Our guests Amy Walter took
political report. I have a high degree of respect for her,
and I thought she had a really good point here
in about a minute's time of breaking down exactly what
the old era of Bush Cheney, neo con conservatism and
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the Republican Party was and that what led to the
rise of trump Ism.
Speaker 13 (23:48):
Well, it's remarkable about this is the way in which
the Iraq War didn't just agitate one branch of one
side of the Aisle in Washington, but it literally, you
could argue, was a deciding factor in the rise of
Trumps definitely, and that you know, again, growing up covering
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Republicans in Washington. There was a three legged stool that
made up the Republican Party. It was hawkish, fiscal conservatism
and social conservative. That was who Dick Cheney was. Two
of those legs are now gone, the fiscal conservative and
the hawkishness on military involvement and the role that America
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plays in the world. And the fact that it is
a Republican party that is standing just on one leg
of the stool that Dick Cheney helped to build.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
This quite marketable.
Speaker 10 (24:45):
No, I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 13 (24:47):
Part of trump Ism when he comes on the scene
in twenty sixteen is to say that the establishment.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, it's anti establishment. And Michael, I know that myself.
I migrated away from Bush, Cheney, the neo con aspect,
the Iraq wore all of that to an America first
Trump brand of Republicanism. I know Rush Limbaugh readily embraced that.
But I find it curious and interesting that you, of
all people, having worked in the Bush administration, I think
you've been very much open to Trump's changes within the
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Republican Party.
Speaker 12 (25:17):
Why is that, Oh, primarily because Bush was never a
breaking conservative.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Remember his whole his whole theory.
Speaker 12 (25:26):
Was compassionate conservatism, and I think when he left Karl
Rold in particular in the White House as a senior advisor,
I think that's when Reaganism.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Kind of waned and went away, and.
Speaker 12 (25:40):
This new compassionate conservatism. Oh, let's increase you know, medicare,
part deed, drug benefits, Let's do this, let's do that.
And I think Post nine to eleven, well, I believe
that the invasion of Afghanistan should have been handled differently.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
I mean, we should have.
Speaker 12 (25:56):
Gone after Osama bin Laden and we should have I'm
the crap out of the mountains like we did, but
then we should have sent CIA covert poperties in and
left the proofs out. Now, a lot of things, you know,
Monday morning quarterbacking. If we were going to build, you know,
the Air Force base, then we should have kept Bukram.
(26:17):
We shouldn't have let that go as a forward operating base.
We made the mistake in a rock thinking we could
do regime change, not understanding those three sects of Islamism.
So I really do think that Amy's She's absolutely right,
and I think he did give rise to this new
form of Reagan conservatism America first, and.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
That's where we'll leave the conversation for now. You can
pick it back up of Michael Brown. Morning's here temporarily
on six point thirty k how but he is moving
nine am to noon over on KOA starting on Monday
the tenth. Michael, congratulations on that move and thanks for
taking some time with us here today. You met Ryan
take care of Michael Brown, former director of FEMA and
the Bush Administration, commenting on the death of Vice President
(27:00):
Dick Cheney at the age of eighty four last night.
A break and we're back. John Caldera will join us
next here on Ryan Schruling Live, looking forward to the cold.
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Speaker 7 (28:39):
Do you think Colorado should readraw its map to create
more democratic seats?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Here's where I l like to see happen, Kyle.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
I'd like to see us and we have to change
our constitution to do this a break glass.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
In case of emergency.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
If you see other states breaking the norm doing mid
decade redistricting, give a mechanism so that we can match it.
And the important thing, by the way, is by creating
the apostible mechanism, we also created.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
A turn effect.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
It will only happen if we need to because other
states are doing it. Colorado can wait if other states wait,
But if other states are moving ahead, we shouldn't put
ourselves in the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
We need to do our part.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
What a head spinning thing for our chief law enforcement
officer in this state to say, Phil Wiser, the attorney General,
are you kidding me? Voters selected a twelve person commission
to draw nonpartisan congressional districts in this state. We voted
on that, and Phil Wiser wants to override that because
another state's doing something else. I saw this on our
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next guest Facebook page, quoting this complete Colorado article entitled
phil Wiser embraces jerry mandering to Trump proof Colorado. He
is John Caldera, President of the Independence Institute. John, thanks
for your time. Why did this story stand out to you?
Speaker 9 (29:53):
Because principle matters and the people of Colorado made a decision,
and I think a very wise one, even though it
has worked out all that well for Team Conservative or Libertarian,
that it's good to take the jerry mandering away from
the politicians and put it into an organization, a committee
that is at least more distant from the direct political fight,
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because otherwise you turn Colorado into a place that does
exactly what the AG wants, goes back and forth by
those in power, not representing those by the people.
Speaker 10 (30:28):
And he was right in that clip that you just played.
Speaker 9 (30:31):
Any change would require a vote to the people, because
it's in our constitution. But why is he doing this now?
It's not going to happen. Colorado is not likely to
change its mind just after we changed the way we
do districting. I think this is to score political points
with the left as he goes towards a towards a primary.
Speaker 10 (30:54):
I don't think. I don't think there's a real there there.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
So you're analysis and I think I shared this John,
is that it's just a cynical play to try to
drum up some attention and his race for governor.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Whereas you know, the.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Bottom line here is he believes that jerrymandering is bad
and that doing it in Texas is wrong. Then, in
his view, at least how he's explaining and articulating it,
two wrongs do make a right, which.
Speaker 9 (31:18):
Is not what you want from your age, nor is
it something you want from your governor.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
But think about the play here.
Speaker 9 (31:25):
Step back from the issue, and you've got Bennett who's
running on this platform of I need to stop Donald Trump.
Speaker 10 (31:33):
We need to stop Donald Trump.
Speaker 9 (31:34):
So I'm going to give up my seat in the
Senate where I can stop Donald Trump to become governor
at a place where I have no nothing to do
with the federal government.
Speaker 10 (31:45):
And so now the AG has to play this game
as well.
Speaker 9 (31:49):
No, I'm going to really stop Trump by changing Colorado's constitution.
It is a clever, good political move, and Wiser is
good at this, finding ways to use his office to
campaign for his campaign for governor. It's just a shame
that both of these guys, Bennett and Wiser, cannot both
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lose the knowledge.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Both running on the Democratic side of the ticket. The
primary for governor John Caldera our guest Independence Institute. I
saw some early numbers John that showed Phil Wiser head
out to gained out raised Michael Bennett so far in
the campaign.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I don't believe that will last, do you.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
It's how do we put this?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
A bit of a false story.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
And congratulations to Wiser who has out raised Bennett in
his own campaign. But remember, thanks to the evils of
campaign finance reform, candidates don't raise money for their own campaigns.
Other people raise money for their campaigns in packs and
secret committees and see four organizations. By that measure, Bennett
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has double tripled outraised what Wiser has and he didn't
even have to do the hard lifting to make the
asks because if he makes the asks, it has to
go to his committee. There cannot be any communication between
he and a pack.
Speaker 10 (33:16):
Somebody else is running the pack.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
So most of betans Bunny just like voting in what
he voting in the way he phones in for being
a senator.
Speaker 10 (33:24):
He's doing that as a candidate.
Speaker 9 (33:26):
So other people are raising money on his behalf and
certainly have in total outraised Wiser.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
John cadera independence institute, closing on the show with us
the two major ballot initiatives on a very thin ballot
for us here in Colorado, John, I have to believe
that you have strong opinions on this are Props l
L and MM, both having to do with the school
lunch program and funding that and taxing the rich, soaking
them who make over three hundred thousand dollars a year.
In the minute and a half that we have left,
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Why would that be a bad thing.
Speaker 10 (33:56):
It's not actually about lunches. It is a try file.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Balloon for next year's progressive income tax increase, which is,
how do you feel about punishing the productive in Colorado?
Is it time that we treat them poorly so that
they leave? And I think both of these will pass,
and that's going to add fuel to the fire for
the left to go and get rid of our very productive,
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very wonderful flat tax that we have for income tax.
The other thing, since we only have a second I'm
really interested in what happens in the Denver fight on
Prop three ten.
Speaker 10 (34:33):
This is the flavored nicotine flavored tobacco.
Speaker 9 (34:36):
Will Michael Bloomberg, who has put in at least three millions,
some say five million into this local race to keep
adults from buying.
Speaker 10 (34:47):
Swiss or sweet cigars.
Speaker 9 (34:49):
Will it be successful or do Denverites even realize this
type of nannyism?
Speaker 10 (34:56):
Just doesn't belong here, and I'm going to be.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Very curious to say that.
Speaker 9 (35:00):
I hope that goes down in flames, but with three
million dollars of billionaire's.
Speaker 10 (35:05):
Money, it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Find out more. I two I dot org, Independence.
Speaker 9 (35:10):
Freedom dot org, freedom dot org and free and sign
up for our newsletter and have some fun.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
It will be an interesting night, John, Thank you much
appreciate him as always. John Caldera joining us here on
Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Stay tuned the Dan caf Let's show us next. I'll
talk you tomorrow
Down the stecche we go get those ballots in if
you haven't already, make sure you mark those up and
drop those off. Obviously not in the mail at this point,
but you're nearest receiving lock box where you can file
those ballots. I've done so myself, did's so quite a
while ago, and for the most part, one of the
most important races you'll find on there throughout the state
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of Colorado are your state school board races and the
general election for those in various districts. Now, for me,
just as an example, I live in Greenwood Village, which
is part of the Cherry Creek.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
School District, which used to be.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
The premier public school district not only in the state
of Colorado, but throughout this rocky mountain region. It has
fallen far and fast, and on the watch predominantly, you
guessed it of leftists who are advancing their woke agendas
through their school board, through the superintendent, through the principles
to the teach And if you want to check in
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balance against that, I can only speak to the two
women who were on the ballot who I voted for
and supported. So if you're still doing that and you're
waiting for me. Well, you've waited a little too long,
but here you go. Tatiana Sturm would be one and
Amanda Fayir the other. And that's just in Cherry Creek.
You no doubt have those on your ballot. And in
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the case of Cherry Creek and many others, they are
non partisan racist, so they don't tell you what party
they're a part of, or whether the conservative or liberal
or democratic socialists like Zaron Mundani.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And that takes us to our next story.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
This is wild one of the great school board races
just by name in the state, Roaring Fork.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'm ready, you got my attention with that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
However, there's another layer to this story, and joining us
now one of the candidates for that race and Roaring
Fork Elizabeth Taylor, great name, legendary in fact, and our
good friend Lori Gimmelstein, founder of Colorado Parent Advocacy Network.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
And this story needs to be told. I don't know
that I can do it.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Justice, So Laurie, I'll turn to you first, because you're
the one who issued the press release and notified me
of this.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
But in a nutshell, what the heck happened here?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, thank you so much for having us on the
show today, Ryan, we are just excited about the election,
and unfortunately, as we're seeing.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Across the state that there has been so much campaign.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Interference, especially with campaign signs going missing, they're being stolen,
We're seeing them spray painted with flawstickas, and you know,
it's just it's.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Terrible to see the interference.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
That goes into a vocal school board election.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And so Elizabeth Taylor, who's ready for.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Rooring Fork, really just striving to bring back parental partnerships,
really strong academics, safe schools. She's putting our campaign.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Signs out that her donors have donated to help her
cover these expenses.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
She's putting them in areas where it's legal and it's
allowed forty five days before the election, and they start
going missing, and this is a significant expense to her campaign.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
And so she decided she was going to.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Place some air tags inside a couple signs to see
if they were stolen, where they might end up. And
that is where things got a little bit crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
And I think I'll let Elizabeth share what happened.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, Elizabeth, just real quick.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I know that this has been a tendency in many
races from Trump on down over the last several years.
I gave my uncle Dave a yard sign in Lansing,
Michigan for Trump.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
It was gone the next day.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
He had a banner hanging up outside of his fence
on his house that was taken down. And it just
seems to me that you are obviously a political threat
to them, but rather than engaging you in debate or
trying to beat you on the merits of their policies, Elizabeth,
they're simply taking away your signs.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
What gives?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
That's right? Thank you, Thank you so much for.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Having me on Ryan.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yet all I know is I would I place several
signs out in the very legal place near the Eagle
County building at Algebel And I guess after the first
batch and the second batch, I did file two different
police reports. And so what happened was the third time,
the third batch that we put out, they I just
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decided to put a couple of air tags in them.
I had no idea what was going to happen after that.
It was just sort of a whim as far as
I was concerned. And the next morning I just noticed
they had moved. They moved to the staff parking lot
of the Basalton Elementary School staff parking lot in just
very close to my house, so I thought that was curious.
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I wanted to make sure my phone was not glitching,
so I asked a friend to go and check and
just make sure that my signs were indeed missing, and
they were, so it wasn't just my signs, it was
also another friend who is running. Her name is Jody Bard.
Her signs were also missing. So we decided, you know,
let's let's try to locate our stolen property. So I
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long story short, we just were able to determine which
car had the air tags in them and were able
to you know, we followed the We didn't follow personally,
but we followed. We looked at the at where they
were heading after school, and it turned out that they
ended up at a residence. And that's that's where we
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all we know right now is that they ended up
at somebody's residence. And it turns out that residence was
where a teacher resides. So that was not what I
was expecting at all. And and then you.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Know, later on, the.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Tags ended up further. They moved away from the residents
and ended up in the trash can of a nearby
gas station and on the side of the road. So
we're just trying to let you know, let it, let
the investigation keep going. But that's how that's all we
can say right now. But it's very curious to see
that's happening.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Curious indeed, Elizabeth Taylor, the voice you just heard, no
shortage of name recognition really for her in that district
by association anyway, And that's the Roaring Fork School board
race in which her signs were commandeered, taken away, one
of them ended up in the parking lot of an.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Elementary school there.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And also joining us Laura Gimmelstein, founder of Colorado Rather
Parent Advocacy Network. Now, Laurie, to the degree that you're
able to give us details on the law enforcement angle
of this from the Eagle County Sheriff's office, how cooperative helpful.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Have they been and where does the investigation go from here?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, so I will start by stating I am not
involved greatly with their investigation.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Elizabeth filed an instant report with CPN last Friday.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
We've been working with.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Her over the weekend to unsure that all of the
evidence was verifiable, and Elizabeth was very adamant and did
a great job reporting this to the Sheriff's apartment, and
from my understanding, they've been incredibly helpful and they are uh.
This is currently under investigation and Elizabeth does intend to
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move forward and file formal charges. I mean, this is
a criminal offense. It's interfering with elections.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
You know, some people might.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Say that, you know, it's just as signed, but it's
not just the sign.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
This is why we have.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
So many issues with elections in our state because there
is so much interference. And interestingly, you know, when when
you think about the teachers.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Union involvement, and I know many people across the state
recognized and understand that the teachers' union has really become
a political arm and getting candidates into office from school
boards all the way through Congress that align with their mission,
and they're using our taxpayer dollars, We the people pay
those salaries of teachers that then have that money withdrawn
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from their salaries and sent to the union, and then
they're using our taxpayer dollars against us to.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Undermine these elections and get their candidates elected.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I think that that's a conversation.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
That we really need to dig into over the next
several weeks after today's election, and I'm hopeful for races
across the state and that we can return common sense
to our public schools here in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Elizabeth's final question for you then, as I mentioned earlier,
the fact that they're taking your signs means that you're
over the target. Why do you think that they're so
afraid of what you might do for the school board?
Speaker 5 (08:34):
I don't know. I mean, I honestly just want to
bring truth and integrity back to the schools. And I
feel that my voice is important and I would like
to be a representative for other voices like me, for
other parents and community members. And I'm not sure. I
can't say why they would like to silence that, but
it's been my experience, so I'd like to just press
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ahead and be the best representative that I can for
other parents we definitely need. Maybe that's what Maybe that's
just something that they don't want, but that's what I'm
trying to push for.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Thank you, Yeah, absolutely, And empowering parents and building that
bridge and that association.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
That's what a PTA is for.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
It is the opposite of what Terry mccauliffe campaigned on
four years ago. In Virginia, which she said he didn't
want parents in the classroom, He didn't want parents having
a voice and to say of curriculum and what teacher's taught.
But Elizabeth Taylor an example of exactly the kind of
person who we need on these school boards, and they
feel threatened by her. That's why the signs disappeared. Roaring
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Fork is the school district where she is running. Elizabeth
Taylor's thank you so much for your time today, best
of luck in this race tonight will follow up indeed,
and Lurie, thanks for bringing this to our attention.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Thank you, Ryan, Thank you so much, Bryan, you got it.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Lori Gimmelstein, and then again there the founder of the
Colorado Parent Advocacy Network and Elizabeth Taylor running for the
school board. They're in Roaring Fork. Make sure to fill
out those ballots. Educate yourselves on the candidates for the
school boards. Because the party affiliations are not listed on those,
you really have to do a little bit of digging,
and so make sure you get those filled out and
turned in today before seven pm. I believe it is
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Jesse's got his ballot and I think five seven, seven
thirty nine the text line. And let's go to some
of those right now, Ryan, I got my No L
and No M. Turned in very good job. Yes, props
L L and MM. This was a school lunch program
that you might recall Governor Jared Polus had piloted and
(10:37):
championed a couple of years ago, and we knew back then,
like Byron Donald just said, for the break, there's no
such thing as a free lunch.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Somebody's paying for it. Somebody's paying for it.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
And for those who are lacking of means, who the
parents are struggling. I remember I was in first second grade,
and I've told the story man many times about how
my family really struggled in the late seventies in the
Carter administration.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I know a lot of you did too.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
And then ultimately in the roaring eighties of the Reagan administration,
we became a great success story. My family was very
much coinciding with the change in leadership there and the
economy that was unleashed. But before then, talking early eighties,
there was a recession in first couple of years of
Ronald Reagan's tenure as president.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Wasn't his fault.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I don't think he was implementing policies that would ultimately work.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
But I was on reduced lunches.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I did that, and I had a stamp on my
hand that I had to, you know, bring through the line,
and a lot of kids, you know, they feel a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Embarrassed about that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So kids that need the school lunch program, absolutely that
should be funded.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
But this is piecemeal chipping.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Away further and further more and more of a boondoggle,
upside down investment that cannot be funded. So why are
they come coming back to us asking for more money.
We cleared the program, you said you had the means
to pay for it, but now it's it's underwater.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Please explain that.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And now we're just going to tax the people that
make over three hundred thousand dollars. But as I talked
about with Jimmy Sangenberger earlier, it's not gonna stop there, folks,
because they're gonna start. They're gonna keep spending like drunken sailors.
These are tax and spend liberals. All tax revenues are fungible,
so they won't necessarily go to the school lunch program.
They'll spend it on something else, and then they'll need
more money because that money's been displaced for the school
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lunch program all over again. It's a shell game. It
is a shell game. Don't incentivize it, don't enable it.
Don't let them use these sob stories. I've seen the
TV ads for it. There's little kids getting their lunches. Oh,
you want them to starve, and like, of course you
don't want them to starve. But the answer isn't this
again boondoggle program that is collapsing under the weight of
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itself as we knew what happen?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You know, socialism.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
The problem with socialism, Margaret Thatcher said it right is
eventually you run out of other people's money.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
And you're gonna run out of other people's money in
New York.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
City and maybe here because those who are innovators, job creators,
high earners.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
They're gonna go elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
They're gonna take their taxable income and go to a
state that doesn't punish them for their success, like Florida,
like Texas, like Tennessee and just you watch and just
you wait. If so on Mam Donnie wins tonight, there
will be an exodus from New York City. That tax
base will diminish to where all these pie in the
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sky programs that Donnie wants to implement, free lunches, free busses,
who pays for the busses, who cares? We'll find out no,
he will run that city into the ground. And a
lot of people and I get this viewpoint, are of
a mind now where it's like, you know what, let them,
let them, You get what you just isa. You get
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the leadership that you deserve. And you might not like
it here in Colorado as a Republican because we don't
have many any Republican leaders at the statewide level, but
we're getting what we deserve. And until or unless people
smart en up, especially people in Denver and Boulder, that
we are going to continue to suffer under the yoke
of the policies of socialist kind of policy that we've
seen past through the General Assembly already, that undermine our
(14:25):
rights as Colorado citizens, that take away our income in
the form of taxes and fees, especially the fees. And again,
until or unless people smart en up and they've had enough,
then we're going to get what we deserve and will
continue to get that. Another text, Ryan, I have socks
older than Undannie. Why would New Yorkers vote in somebody
(14:46):
with so little experience.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
It's not about that, It's about the vibes.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Okay, get you got to understand how the young people
vote here, and they're voting, I guess in massive numbers.
The early vote returns are coming in. I've seen young
people interviewed on the streets of New York Man and
in otherwise.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
They don't get it. They don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Their knowledge base of what socialism is, what communism is,
it is muted.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It is literally in the sense of this word retarded.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It is slowed because it's not taught in schools anymore.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
The evils of communism.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Even my left leaning teachers I knew were liberal in
high school and college that taught me things like American history,
social sciences, they would speak about the evils of communism
during the fall of the Soviet Union. But it's been
so long that I have to put this in proper context.
As a gen xer, I went through a totally different
(15:38):
experience in my education than a gen z is coming through.
That has literal socialists who are probably younger than me
teaching them or not teaching them, and so they don't know,
they don't understand, they don't have historical context as to
why the Soviet Union was so awful and evil.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
At least they cover that on strings things. If you watch.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
That, that Netflix series set in the eighties. Now, I
don't want to give too much away, but Jesse's nodding,
he knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You get the.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Sheriff there who is held as a prisoner in the
former Soviet Union, and it is terrible.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It's not desirable.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
There was another series called Glow about professional women's wrestling,
also on Netflix, I believe, and one of the villain
characters was from Soviet Russia. You know, you had Yakov Smirnoff,
who had escaped the Soviet Union, telling jokes about this like.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
In Soviet Russia.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
You don't watch TV, TV watches you you know, things
like this, a police state that, for some reason leftists
are all too cozy and comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Now, govern me harder.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Daddy, like, no, No, we want our individual rights, freedom, liberties.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
We need them. We don't sacrifice them.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We don't trust that government is going to keep us
safe and secure. To give them more money, if to
give them more power, if we submit to their whims
and demands. During COVID that was a turning point for
a lot of people. Another Texter, Ryan Colorado, GOP needs
to compile a list of every candidate who leans left
and who leans right. It makes voting much easier. I
(17:25):
can't believe they don't do this. That's a great point,
you know. I can only focus on so much of
my own kind of bandwidth and radar and what I'm
voting for.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And I told you.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
About the If you're in the Cherry Creek School District,
vote for the ladies on the ballot and I'll save
them one more time, Amanda Fayer and Tatiana Sterm. But
that's the race I'm following. That's that was the one
that was on my ballot. But you're right, if they
were voting initiatives projects, you know, people that were concerned
about these school board races, which everybody should be, then yeah,
(17:58):
there should be a voting guide by all means, and
that there would be an explanation. It's okay, who are
the palatable candidates here? Who are the pro parent candidates here?
Who are the conservative candidates here that are going to
serve as some kind of bulwark, some kind of checking
ballots against the far left radical policies that have run
rough shot over our schools. They're unchecked. It's like a
(18:20):
train going downhill out of control. There's no regulation, there's
no barriers, there's no guardrails on these policies and these schools,
and they're insane. And many of you parents know exactly
what I'm talking about. So hopefully you've gotten your ballot in,
Hopefully you've done that research, and you're right.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You got to make this easier for people.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Somebody that makes it easier for everybody and pursuing their rights,
liberties and freedoms.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
From the Independence.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Institute, John kel Dara joins us next on Ryan Schuling
live ellis.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
I wonder if you've looked back and some of the
things that you thought.
Speaker 8 (19:04):
At the time.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
Maybe you said at the time.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
That the United States would the.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Greatest liberators, for example, if you think looking back, that
might have raised expectations for the American people about what
to expect in Iraq that maybe.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Weren't met you.
Speaker 10 (19:20):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 11 (19:21):
I think on Iraq we got the big, big issues, right.
I think when Alla said and done, from the perspective
of history, the vast majority of the Iraqi people grateful
for what we did. Far better to have their democracy
that's now in place rather than Saddam Husain Ruin, and
the world's a far safer place because of what we did.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Vice President Dick Cheney passing away last night at the
age of eighty four, with family members surrounding him. He
had had health issues, as many of you know over
these last several years.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Joining us now.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
He served in the Bush administration as the director of FEMA,
and of course you know him best as the host
of the Situation with Michael Brown, which is moving over
to KOA starting next week on Monday. He joins US
now in Ryan Schuling Live. Michael, thanks for taking the time.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
You've got great music there.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, you know, I like to take credit for that
one too.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
Tell Jesse, Yeah, Jesse, good job.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, Jesse does that, and I appreciate him being here
as well. Michael was Vice President Cheney Wright. Did we
get kind of the the big issues about Iraq right?
Speaker 5 (20:24):
No?
Speaker 8 (20:25):
No.
Speaker 12 (20:26):
The only thing that the only thing that I would
say that we probably got right, and I think most people.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
Disagree with me on this.
Speaker 12 (20:33):
Is in I do believe there will reples of mass destruction, but.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
We took so long.
Speaker 12 (20:41):
To get those d m d s, which we took
so long to get the war initiated.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
The fact gave saw.
Speaker 12 (20:46):
Him, who's saying, plenty of time to get it back
to the Russians, get it into Syria, get it into Lebanon,
get it, you know, out of the country. And I
just think that was a mistake. And I think most
I should say most. For example, I've got someone that
listens to my program that was there and he happens
(21:07):
to agree that, Yeah, it took so long for you know,
you can't just pick up an army and move him
in twenty four hours and the overseas and doo an
invasion like that, and it just took a while, and
he got the WMD moved. Otherwise, we tried to engage
in regime change. We don't understand the difference between the
swingings and that she is and the she ikes, and
we just kind of screwed it up.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Michael.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
We remember his last act, at least I do, vice
President Cheney endorsing Kamala Harris, and I just thought how
far this guy had fallen from the lofty expectations that
were in place when he agreed to be vice president
for George W. Bush in the first place, the experience
that he brought to that position. How do you think
history will remember Dick Cheney.
Speaker 12 (21:54):
Probably as a very good advisor. I mean, he was
a very strong willed, good advisor. But I think you'll
you'll never be able to compare Cheney alone. You'll have
to compare Chaney with how he dealt with Bush, and
then how he dealt vice presidency doing stupid stuff like
(22:17):
endorsing Kamala Harris. He became a Democrat at that point.
I don't care what people say. He became a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Did you have any extended personal interactions to Vice President
Cheney during your time in the administration?
Speaker 12 (22:30):
A few times, and they were always fairly tense. I
found the staff to be incredibly helpful, incredibly useful. They
were very good to me. Scooter Libby got a raw deal.
To this day, I don't think the Scooter Liby should
have ever been and died and let alone. And thankfully
I think Bush should have pardoned him. But at least
Bush gave him a commutation of the sentence. But he
(22:53):
should never been charged in the first place. But a
few times I did have an interaction with the Vice president.
They were okay save for the last one, and that
was during Katrina when he completely blew off one of
my staffer's briefings and I had to literally go jump
in front of him and hand him the briefing book
and say, you know, you finally get back on the
Air Force too. You really got to take a look
(23:13):
at this. I don't think you appreciated that comment.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
We appreciate all of his comments.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Michael Brown joining us before his exodus over to Koa.
There's one more part of this that I'd like you
to respond to, Michael Brown. Our guests Amy Walter took
political report. I have a high degree of respect for her,
and I thought she had a really good point here
in about a minute's time of breaking down exactly what
the old era of Bush Cheney, neo con conservatism and
(23:43):
the Republican Party was and that what led to the
rise of trump Ism.
Speaker 13 (23:48):
Well, it's remarkable about this is the way in which
the Iraq War didn't just agitate one branch of one
side of the Aisle in Washington, but it literally, you
could argue, was a deciding factor in the rise of
Trumps definitely, and that you know, again, growing up covering
(24:13):
Republicans in Washington. There was a three legged stool that
made up the Republican Party. It was hawkish, fiscal conservatism
and social conservative. That was who Dick Cheney was. Two
of those legs are now gone, the fiscal conservative and
the hawkishness on military involvement and the role that America
(24:33):
plays in the world. And the fact that it is
a Republican party that is standing just on one leg
of the stool that Dick Cheney helped to build.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
This quite marketable.
Speaker 10 (24:45):
No, I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 13 (24:47):
Part of trump Ism when he comes on the scene
in twenty sixteen is to say that the establishment.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, it's anti establishment. And Michael, I know that myself.
I migrated away from Bush, Cheney, the neo con aspect,
the Iraq wore all of that to an America first
Trump brand of Republicanism. I know Rush Limbaugh readily embraced that.
But I find it curious and interesting that you, of
all people, having worked in the Bush administration, I think
you've been very much open to Trump's changes within the
(25:16):
Republican Party.
Speaker 12 (25:17):
Why is that, Oh, primarily because Bush was never a
breaking conservative.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Remember his whole his whole theory.
Speaker 12 (25:26):
Was compassionate conservatism, and I think when he left Karl
Rold in particular in the White House as a senior advisor,
I think that's when Reaganism.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Kind of waned and went away, and.
Speaker 12 (25:40):
This new compassionate conservatism. Oh, let's increase you know, medicare,
part deed, drug benefits, Let's do this, let's do that.
And I think Post nine to eleven, well, I believe
that the invasion of Afghanistan should have been handled differently.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
I mean, we should have.
Speaker 12 (25:56):
Gone after Osama bin Laden and we should have I'm
the crap out of the mountains like we did, but
then we should have sent CIA covert poperties in and
left the proofs out. Now, a lot of things, you know,
Monday morning quarterbacking. If we were going to build, you know,
the Air Force base, then we should have kept Bukram.
(26:17):
We shouldn't have let that go as a forward operating base.
We made the mistake in a rock thinking we could
do regime change, not understanding those three sects of Islamism.
So I really do think that Amy's She's absolutely right,
and I think he did give rise to this new
form of Reagan conservatism America first, and.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
That's where we'll leave the conversation for now. You can
pick it back up of Michael Brown. Morning's here temporarily
on six point thirty k how but he is moving
nine am to noon over on KOA starting on Monday
the tenth. Michael, congratulations on that move and thanks for
taking some time with us here today. You met Ryan
take care of Michael Brown, former director of FEMA and
the Bush Administration, commenting on the death of Vice President
(27:00):
Dick Cheney at the age of eighty four last night.
A break and we're back. John Caldera will join us
next here on Ryan Schruling Live, looking forward to the cold.
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Speaker 7 (28:39):
Do you think Colorado should readraw its map to create
more democratic seats?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Here's where I l like to see happen, Kyle.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
I'd like to see us and we have to change
our constitution to do this a break glass.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
In case of emergency.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
If you see other states breaking the norm doing mid
decade redistricting, give a mechanism so that we can match it.
And the important thing, by the way, is by creating
the apostible mechanism, we also created.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
A turn effect.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
It will only happen if we need to because other
states are doing it. Colorado can wait if other states wait,
But if other states are moving ahead, we shouldn't put
ourselves in the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
We need to do our part.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
What a head spinning thing for our chief law enforcement
officer in this state to say, Phil Wiser, the attorney General,
are you kidding me? Voters selected a twelve person commission
to draw nonpartisan congressional districts in this state. We voted
on that, and Phil Wiser wants to override that because
another state's doing something else. I saw this on our
(29:36):
next guest Facebook page, quoting this complete Colorado article entitled
phil Wiser embraces jerry mandering to Trump proof Colorado. He
is John Caldera, President of the Independence Institute. John, thanks
for your time. Why did this story stand out to you?
Speaker 9 (29:53):
Because principle matters and the people of Colorado made a decision,
and I think a very wise one, even though it
has worked out all that well for Team Conservative or Libertarian,
that it's good to take the jerry mandering away from
the politicians and put it into an organization, a committee
that is at least more distant from the direct political fight,
(30:17):
because otherwise you turn Colorado into a place that does
exactly what the AG wants, goes back and forth by
those in power, not representing those by the people.
Speaker 10 (30:28):
And he was right in that clip that you just played.
Speaker 9 (30:31):
Any change would require a vote to the people, because
it's in our constitution. But why is he doing this now?
It's not going to happen. Colorado is not likely to
change its mind just after we changed the way we
do districting. I think this is to score political points
with the left as he goes towards a towards a primary.
Speaker 10 (30:54):
I don't think. I don't think there's a real there there.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
So you're analysis and I think I shared this John,
is that it's just a cynical play to try to
drum up some attention and his race for governor.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Whereas you know, the.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Bottom line here is he believes that jerrymandering is bad
and that doing it in Texas is wrong. Then, in
his view, at least how he's explaining and articulating it,
two wrongs do make a right, which.
Speaker 9 (31:18):
Is not what you want from your age, nor is
it something you want from your governor.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
But think about the play here.
Speaker 9 (31:25):
Step back from the issue, and you've got Bennett who's
running on this platform of I need to stop Donald Trump.
Speaker 10 (31:33):
We need to stop Donald Trump.
Speaker 9 (31:34):
So I'm going to give up my seat in the
Senate where I can stop Donald Trump to become governor
at a place where I have no nothing to do
with the federal government.
Speaker 10 (31:45):
And so now the AG has to play this game
as well.
Speaker 9 (31:49):
No, I'm going to really stop Trump by changing Colorado's constitution.
It is a clever, good political move, and Wiser is
good at this, finding ways to use his office to
campaign for his campaign for governor. It's just a shame
that both of these guys, Bennett and Wiser, cannot both
(32:10):
lose the knowledge.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Both running on the Democratic side of the ticket. The
primary for governor John Caldera our guest Independence Institute. I
saw some early numbers John that showed Phil Wiser head
out to gained out raised Michael Bennett so far in
the campaign.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I don't believe that will last, do you.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
It's how do we put this?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
A bit of a false story.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
And congratulations to Wiser who has out raised Bennett in
his own campaign. But remember, thanks to the evils of
campaign finance reform, candidates don't raise money for their own campaigns.
Other people raise money for their campaigns in packs and
secret committees and see four organizations. By that measure, Bennett
(33:00):
has double tripled outraised what Wiser has and he didn't
even have to do the hard lifting to make the
asks because if he makes the asks, it has to
go to his committee. There cannot be any communication between
he and a pack.
Speaker 10 (33:16):
Somebody else is running the pack.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
So most of betans Bunny just like voting in what
he voting in the way he phones in for being
a senator.
Speaker 10 (33:24):
He's doing that as a candidate.
Speaker 9 (33:26):
So other people are raising money on his behalf and
certainly have in total outraised Wiser.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
John cadera independence institute, closing on the show with us
the two major ballot initiatives on a very thin ballot
for us here in Colorado, John, I have to believe
that you have strong opinions on this are Props l
L and MM, both having to do with the school
lunch program and funding that and taxing the rich, soaking
them who make over three hundred thousand dollars a year.
In the minute and a half that we have left,
(33:53):
Why would that be a bad thing.
Speaker 10 (33:56):
It's not actually about lunches. It is a try file.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Balloon for next year's progressive income tax increase, which is,
how do you feel about punishing the productive in Colorado?
Is it time that we treat them poorly so that
they leave? And I think both of these will pass,
and that's going to add fuel to the fire for
the left to go and get rid of our very productive,
(34:21):
very wonderful flat tax that we have for income tax.
The other thing, since we only have a second I'm
really interested in what happens in the Denver fight on
Prop three ten.
Speaker 10 (34:33):
This is the flavored nicotine flavored tobacco.
Speaker 9 (34:36):
Will Michael Bloomberg, who has put in at least three millions,
some say five million into this local race to keep
adults from buying.
Speaker 10 (34:47):
Swiss or sweet cigars.
Speaker 9 (34:49):
Will it be successful or do Denverites even realize this
type of nannyism?
Speaker 10 (34:56):
Just doesn't belong here, and I'm going to be.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Very curious to say that.
Speaker 9 (35:00):
I hope that goes down in flames, but with three
million dollars of billionaire's.
Speaker 10 (35:05):
Money, it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Find out more. I two I dot org, Independence.
Speaker 9 (35:10):
Freedom dot org, freedom dot org and free and sign
up for our newsletter and have some fun.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
It will be an interesting night, John, Thank you much
appreciate him as always. John Caldera joining us here on
Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Stay tuned the Dan caf Let's show us next. I'll
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