In the first hour of today's edition of the show, Ryan reacts to the news about the 16th Street Mall's big re-brand. Then, Darcy Schoening joins the show to explain how her nine-year-old now has less rights than trans people and why she insists on dead-naming and misgendering people.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Denver sixteenth Street Mall has a new name bound to
revolutionize that space.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
In our city.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Downtown Denver Partnership paid a marketing team one hundred
thousand dollars to rebrand the sixteenth Street Mall as sixteenth Street.
Don't act like you're not impressed. That is a one
hundred thousand dollars idea.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You're just mad you didn't think of it.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Good luck getting longtime Colorado's like Marshall Zellinger to change
what he's already already called the mall.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
That's gonna be tough to stop. Marshall, It's it's the mall.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I call it mile High, I
call it Dia, And there's a good chance I'm still
going to call this the sixteenth Street Mall.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I digress.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
The facelift of the street itself is still underway, still
few more months ago, but the facelift of the name itself.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
If I'm doing this right, that seems to be complete.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
When nine News of all outlets is openly mocking you,
Kyle Clark, Comrade Conner, you're probably not coming up with
the greatest idea ever. I mean, this is absolute buffoonery.
One hundred thousand dollars. Now, you know, Kyle Clark makes
fun of it, but you know who's paying that You
(01:17):
denver rights one hundred grand, one hundred grand.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Where else could that money have been spent? I wonder
then on a.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Name where all you're doing is truncating it from the
sixteenth Street mall.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Oh, there is a very ominous name.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You include that mall in there because it gets real
stabby down there, as we found out. Now, I hate
to make light of that, but that's what happened. And
then Mayor Mike Johnston had the goal, had the audacity,
had the honess to stand the sixteenth Street mall.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Right after the stabbing and announced, Hey, actually it's pretty
safe here. We're doing a lot of good things.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
A woman had just been stabbed to death in the
neck's flight attendant spending her time on the sixteenth Street
mall that she had in between flights at the airport.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And that's what Mayor Mike Johnston comes out with. And
there was a passer by this is going to go
down in the stuff of legend that was shouting obscenities
at Mike Johnston that were not suitable for air on
this broadcast.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
And the signer.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
The person doing the sign language interpretation of what the
mayor was saying, also signed with a very stern face
what the heckler was saying to the mayor. This is
where we are Denver in real time. Oh, let's get
in the nuts and bolts of the story. Arose by
any other name would smell as sweet, so we were
(02:45):
told by William Shakespeare in Romeo and Juliet. But is
that the case with sixteenth Street. Let's find out. Marshall
Zellinger nine news, Hello Denver.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
The Denver name gets to stay when these new street
signs go up downtown.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
We will now describe this great jewel in Denver as
sixteenth Street.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
The rebrand of the sixteenth Street mall came with a
giant eraser, at least on paper. It's going to take
some practice to get it out of the vocabulary.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
We dropped the mall because it is so much more
than just one retail.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Location or one block.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
It is an entire mall of experience, a mile of experience.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Not quite a mile yet. The work on the old
mall continues until this fall.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
When you think of what a multi level shopping mall
meant to the street, in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It's very different than today.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Courtney Garrett and the Downtown Denver Partnership spent one hundred
thousand dollars on a rebrand, a new name, which is
really sixty seven percent of the old name, new public messaging,
like the Denver Way, the new logos.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
What was the second most popular name? It ranged from
rattlesnake row, which was an ode to the pattern, and
the pavers to references to the mile.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
The pavers she mentioned are the path down the center
of sixteenth Street, the ones that the RTD Mall ride
son of us.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
We have not yet renamed the bus well.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
RTD did say it will replace the words mall ride
with free ride in a few months, because the new
m word for this area is simply mile.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
The misperception that you can come and think you're looking
for one location for one building, we think has a
real impact on retailers throughout the entire mile of sixteenth Street.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Rebranding and refreshing only goes so far. The Downtown Denver
Partnership reports overall visits here are eighty five percent of
pre COVID traffic, and sixteenth Street store vacancy is at
thirty percent.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
The importance of going through this exercise was a lot
more than just a brand. It was a whole lot
more than just a name. It was redefining the experience.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Redefining the experience again Olkham's razer, Let's cut to the
chase here by simply removing one word mal and did
you notice, may Or Mike Johnson, what I love about
this Two things? One he mistakenly says mall instead of
mile and nine. News, to their credit, kept that in there,
(05:15):
that SoundBite. You know, I harken back to a scene
from one of the all time great films in cinematic history,
Tommy Boy.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yes, Tommy Callahan.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Had just had the experience at a restaurant of convincing
a waitress to turn the friars back on cook.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Him some hot food in the form of wings. Tommy
want wingy.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So he's encountering a potential client customer along with Richard
David Spade, trying to sell him brake pads. And this
is all about the guarantee that's on the box. Let's
see how that turns out. I think Denver's hoping for
the same.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I like your line, I like your prices. There's a problem.
There's no guarantee on the box.
Speaker 8 (06:07):
Heck, if someone breaks down, you can call me, even
if I'm home watching TV.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Callahan is guaranteed every part sold since nineteen twenty five.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Maybe so, but it's not on the box.
Speaker 9 (06:16):
It should always be on the box, comforting you calling out.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I'll never let you down. But if I do, I'm
going to make things all better.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Our brake pads are made with a non corrosive polyplate.
Speaker 10 (06:26):
If you're not talking about a guarantee, skip it to
My customers need to see that little label.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Look at them right in the eyes. Hey, you can
get a good look at your but shirt. Help and I'm.
Speaker 11 (06:38):
All right.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
You want to talk about guarantees, then fellas you just
ran out of time, chicken, let's.
Speaker 9 (06:48):
Think about this for a sex dad. Why would somebody
put a guarantee on a box?
Speaker 10 (06:53):
Hmmm, very interesting on I'm listening.
Speaker 9 (06:56):
Here's the way I see it, ed, Dad puts a
fancy guarantee in a box because he wants you to
feel all warm and toasty inside.
Speaker 8 (07:02):
Yeah, makes a man feel good, of course it does.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Why shouldn't it?
Speaker 8 (07:06):
You figure you put that little box under your pillow
at night, the guarantee faerry might come by and leave
a guard.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Am I right, Dad?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
What's your point?
Speaker 8 (07:15):
The point is, how do you know the fairry isn't
a crazy glue snipper building MYTL airplane, says the little fairy.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, we're not buying that.
Speaker 8 (07:22):
If he sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes.
Next thing, you know, there's money missing off the dresser
and your daughter's knocked up.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I've seen it one hundred times.
Speaker 10 (07:29):
But why do they put a guarantee on the box then?
Speaker 8 (07:31):
Because they know all they sold you was a guarantee visas.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
That's all it is.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Isn't it.
Speaker 8 (07:36):
Pat If you want me to take a dump in
a box and market guaranteed, I will.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I got spare time.
Speaker 8 (07:41):
But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake,
you might want to think about buying a quality product
from me.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Okay, I'll buy from you. What in that potential client?
This is the type of person that just wants to
feel good.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And if you take mall off of the.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Name sixteenth Street, does that make you feel any better
about going down there?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
It's still about as Kyle.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Clark will talk about in this closing to the package,
the experience of going down there, and does that change
with just a name change.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I know, Denver, I learned something a little odd today.
Mayor Mike Johnson and I share a memory. He thought
the Sixteenth Street Mall from his youth was the Tabor
Center in the food court.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I thought the sixteenth Street.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Mall was when my dad would take me and my
sister to the Taper Center and the Sharper Image inside
the Taper Center and then the Burger King in the
food court.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You strike me as somebody who enjoyed a visit to
Sharper Image in your youth.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I mean, I don't know, Marsh.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I feel like name's great, right, fantastic, you know, rebrand fantastic.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
But if the experience is.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Still like check out these national chain restaurants and maybe
get hollered at by a panhandler, that's not a super experience.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Yeah, if you build it, will they come. Safety and
cleanliness was brought up as part of this news conference.
Last month, the City of Denver and the Downtown Denver
Partnership talked about dedicated officers. I think there's gonna be
ten dedicated police officers on foot patrol down here. The
Downtown Denver Partnership hires twenty private security officers and fifty
what they call clean Team members who work here to
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keep it clean every day of the week.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
All right, Marshall, Zelling are reporting from.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Just sixteenth sixteenth Street.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Don't call them all no matter what the sign to say, Marshall,
thank you?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Okay, Now, Zach, you're a local, you were born and
raised Sixteenth Street Mall?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
What does that mean to you? What does it symbolize
to you?
Speaker 12 (09:46):
Not a whole lot, though I will say that's probably
because I'm more from the Lafayette border area. But like
Pearl Street Mall is analogous to me, and I like
to day Pearl Street Mall.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I like Sixteenth Street Mall.
Speaker 12 (09:59):
I always thought of it it, you know, is being
one and the same, even though the six strength sixteenth
Street Mall is older, I don't think, I guess I
don't know anyone who thought of it as just being
like one old school mall.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
From the eighties.
Speaker 12 (10:12):
I think everyone viewed it like a walking mall that
is a series of stores, even if it is a
mile long. So it does seem kind of like a
pointless rebrand to me as a local. It makes it
sound like just a street rather than a walking mall.
It takes away anything that was special about it. It
seems less marketable now than before. Why sixteenth Street different
than seventeenth or fifteenth?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
To me, it's like putting a band aid on a
gunshot wound or a wound that requires a tourniquet. There's
a lot more that needs to happen in that area
for the average colorad and to feel safe going down there,
especially at night.
Speaker 12 (10:50):
I'd argue it's almost a step backwards, Like I don't
even think this is aiding the problem of like not
more likely to like, you know, just say, we've never
heard of six sixteenth Street mall, befo, We've never been there,
haven't heard the news stories.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Whatever.
Speaker 12 (11:02):
If somebody goes, hey you want to go down to
sixteenth Street, or hey you want to go down to
the sixteenth Street mall, which is more inviting, are you
more likely to be like, Yeah, that sounds like a
fun time.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
That's a great point, Like you're gonna go down to
a street downtown Denver. I've heard some things when it's
the mall. Least that word gives you some level of comfort,
like the guarantee on the box, like the mall. It's like, well,
there's peg places to shop. You know. You look at Chicago,
for instance, You've got the mag Mile they call the
Magnificent Mile. There's a lot of high end, mid tier
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outlet stores, et cetera that are all along that And
I think, now I haven't been there in a while.
I know Chicago's gone to hell in a handbasket under
a couple of terrible mayors and Lori lightfoot in Brandon Johnson. However,
the mag Mile, by my memory and recollection, is still
relatively safe. I felt safe in that part of Chicago.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Now you don't want to go down to the South Side.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
But in Denver you're in the jackpot. It's Russian roulette.
Kyle Clark talks about panhandler. That's the least of my
worries I'm talking about. You're seeing people open drug use
on the mall, needles, people that are mentally unstable and ill,
and they're not doing anything about it, and they get stabby,
like we talked about, they killed a woman there in
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broad daylight. When you don't address those issues, you're just
wallpapering over what really is the crux of the matter
and the problem, there are no policy changes for may
Or Mike Johnston from the city council, then what is
the name change going to do?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I mean, this is ridiculous to me. Yeah, it's just marketing.
It's a waste of money.
Speaker 12 (12:36):
I think that one hundred thousand dollars would have been
much better spent on doing stuff for the community. I
remember being a kid, a family done Carter Springs and
we'd go down there for the summer and they lost
all their public pools one year and all their like
fun recreational stuff outside. And around that same time, they
spent one hundred thousand dollars on the brand or the
(12:57):
slogan live it Up.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
And it's like, how are we most live it up?
Speaker 12 (13:00):
You've defunded all the things that were fun.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
And that we could do to live it up.
Speaker 12 (13:05):
This feels analogous to that, where why not spend that
money on actually making the sixteenth Street Mall a great
place to be then dropping the name mall or dropping
the word mall.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
About finishing the blankety blank construction that's been going on
there for how many years now? You're still having the
dodge it. There's fencing you can't cross the street at
certain points.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I mean I've been down there plenty of times.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I'm not one of these you know suburbonites here in
Greenwood Village that doesn't go downtown. I do go downtown,
go to Paramount Theater, I go to Course Field. I
go downtown for a lot of things that keep my
head on a swivel, and I rarely if I ever
go alone. But it still it doesn't look like they
made any progress, or as soon as they do, well,
they got something else to take care of. So to
your point, I mean, take that one hundred grand, take
even more. Get the project done, get it done, finish it,
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give us a finished product to look at me before
you worry about renaming it.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
And good Texter.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Here along those lines, this from Steven Littleton, retired law
enforcement off kind of like the mayor of Amity renaming
the beach after the Jaws attack. Steve, it's exactly like that.
You know, if we still know there are sharks in
the water, it doesn't matter what you call it, what
you rebrand it, what you message with, what signs you
put up. I'm still gonna know what's going on down
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there because I've done my research. I, you know, watch
the news, but I follow the reports and then I
got this, Zach, I just got this sent to me
anonymous Texter. I must keep the identity concealed. However, this
was just in a Republic Plaza staff advisory regarding police
presidence at sixteenth and Broadway. Attention to Republic Plaza staff,
(14:38):
please be aware of the Downtown Denver Partnership advised that
a stabbing a stabbing, there was more. I didn't even
know this. Another knife attack. Gotta ban all knives, Gotta
go to the Idris Elba cut. We need to make
sure knife points aren't that sharp. Now you're thinking, I'm joking.
If you're just tuning in and you hadn't heard that
cut before, I'm going.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
To dig it up.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
It is ridiculous, like something from this is spinal tap,
but it's real, and it's Idris Elba talking about banning
and blunting knives.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I think we need to do that here in Denver.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Continuing now, advise that a stabbing has been reported in
the area of sixteenth and Broadway. The victim has sustained
non life threatening injuries, and the suspect has not yet
been apprehended. Shocker. DPD is stating there is no immediate
threat to the surrounding area. Please maintain vigilance and report
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suspicious activity to DPD. More updates will be provided as needed.
What go about your day? Gone downtown? It's sixteenth Street now,
don't have to worry about the mall that's gone. That part
of the name's gone, Zach. But the stabbings continue.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
It's crazy to me.
Speaker 12 (15:49):
I mean, you're removing the marketability from it, frankly, and
so now it's just going to be the place from
the scary headlines, right because there's no mall.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It's just like sixteenth Street.
Speaker 12 (15:58):
Oh that's the high population jents in the area where
I keep hearing about shootings or stabbings or you know,
whatever it may be.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Why would I want to go down there?
Speaker 12 (16:07):
This is going to, in my opinion, probably hurt business
flow and walking traffic and all that not help it.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I can't imagine how it would help it.
Speaker 12 (16:15):
It's not like fifteenth Street and seventeenth Street or fourteenth
Street have like incredible walking mall situations.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
What's the part, Yeah, it's just the number. And you're
just like you said, you're just continuing down the line.
I know that.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Also, isn't this already the name of the street?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
What is this an all time griff? I mean the
tip of the cap to this marketing agency. This is
like a producer's level scheme.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Who are the ad wizards that came up with that one?
Continuing now with your text, remember the mile high marketplace
that didn't last very long?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I don't remember it, and that actually goes to your point.
Dan says, So they renamed it sixteenth Street like it
was for over one hundred years. Shaking my head. I
grew up in Denver in the fifties and sixties. This said,
they could call it the sixteenth Amendment because they are
now going to levy taxes to pay for what they did,
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or the Memorial Mall in honor of the innocence that
died to serve homeless drug addicts. Texter, you gave me
an idea, and Zach, you're the first one I'm going
to ask what should they have named it?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
What should they have renamed it?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Now you can turn in a joky answer with a
wink and a nod. You know, Stabby Lane something like that.
That was pretty good. Stabby Road instead of Abbey Road.
I'm liking this even more. But even if you're serious,
what would seriously have been a good marketing branding idea
for sixteenth Street now set aside for a moment that,
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in my view, there needs to be a massive identity
shift in that area of downtown policy reformations. A promise
made by a mayor that's never going to make it
that we are going to crack down on crime, on homelessness,
on drug abuse, open use of hard drugs there and
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throughout the downtown.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
It's an epidemic.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
We're gonna bring civility back to downtown Denver.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You're not gonna hear that.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
For Mike Johnson, that's just again this wallpapering over Jimmy
Castle rot nails it. It's like putting lipstick on a pig,
but the lipstick is just a different color.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Zach.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
What should it have been named?
Speaker 12 (18:23):
I like the Texter's idea or reference to an old
name of Mile High marketplace, Like I think that again,
if we just separate the headlines or whatever else. Yeah,
that evokes positive imagery of like a walking mall and
you know, the different shops and it being like a
bustling area that I want to go on a nice
summer day and walk around. It's not alliterative, but it
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flows nicely. It's like that's a worthwhile name. Sixteenth Street
is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Sheriff Steve Reems chimes in with a text, does a
Google search of sixteenth Street look different than sixteenth Street Mall? Ultimately,
maybe I don't know it, sud'. I mean everything else
is the same about it.
Speaker 12 (19:02):
I worked it up and one of the top headlines
as team pleads guilty in sixteenth Street Mall shooting that
injured three from twenty three hours ago.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
The others are about the name. Gad, those headlines aren't
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to your next move. You don't think it's an infringement
on the First Amendment? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 10 (21:04):
Well, look, obviously you have to if you have an employer.
There's things you can say and can't say at work, right,
I mean this is not like you know, with your
friends in your house at all, Right, right, I mean
that's not against the law.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
When you go to work.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
You cannot call your African American colleague the N word.
I mean that that is, you know, that is a
civil rights violation. So of course this is a great
diverse state. You may have to work with somebody who's
transgenders something. You may have to work with somebody who's
African Americans like you just have to respect whoever you
work with. You you know, and you all try to
get along. And that is in the professional side of things.
(21:37):
How we all get together as a state. And I
would add this goes always if you have a adut
Christian who you work with, you have to respect that.
You never mock their Christianity, You never mocked their faith
at work again in your own home, you know, if
you're with friends and you can argue about Christianity or
transgender and you can get meaning and vicious and there's
no violation of law. Totally free speech. But when you're
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at work, absolutely there are expectations of what you do
at work and treat everybody civilly. This bill doesn't too
much about that, but that was already the lawng Colorado.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
This is such a simplistic reduction by a guy that
definitely knows better. The slippery governor of our state Jared
Polis with Ross Kaminski yesterday on his program, answering questions
about why he signed the revised edition of House Build
twenty five thirteen twelve, which pretends to give transgender individuals' rights,
(22:27):
but when you look under the hood, it is a
much different bill now law that Jared Poulis has signed. Also,
the reductive reasoning that he offers is it's so insulting.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
It's as if there's two things that you do in
your life.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
You operate out of your home and then you go
to work, and you don't go anywhere else in between.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
You just go right back home.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
So there's rules in the workplace, civil rights applies, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And in your home you could say whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Well, Governor, what happens when I'm out in public, if
I'm at a restaurant, a place of business.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
What happens when Jack Phillips.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Masterpiece cake shop a case it's already been decided by
the Supreme Court of the United States. He cannot be
compelled to agree with the gender identity that is an
ideology of any other individual. But what happens then? He
doesn't give us any information on that. He said, Well,
in the workplace, you got to show respect, even if
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you're a Christian not being well. Darcy Shaning, formerly running
for chair of the Colorado Republican Party, she is testing
the limits of this. She'll join us in just a moment.
You could follow her on exit Darcy the number four
co and she posted the following, in part, it is
always your duty to resist unjust laws. Colorado legislators consulted
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with five hundred trans individuals in order to write the
Kelly Loving Act HB. Twenty five, thirteen twelve, which I've
already broken over one hundred times since it became law
a few days ago. My minor children also are now
criminals according to the Act, and we will all continue
to be in violation.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Continuing now, Darcy says, quote about five hundred trans individuals
who are mental ill decided that they speak for almost
six million Colorados. Therefore, this bill was stakeholded to point
zero zero zero zero eighty three percent of the population
of our state. Before the Colorado communists at the Capitol
decided to write a bill, they know we'll be stricken.
(24:21):
Not even one tenth of the population is served by
thirteen twelve. In fact, not even one one hundredth of
the population is served by it, not even one one
thousandth We are all harmed by this bill. My daughter
is harmed. I will never comply. Darcy joins us now
on Ryan Schuling Live. Darcy welcome, Thanks for having me
Ryan Now, Darcy, I sent you some clips from that
(24:42):
Jared Poulis interview with Ross Kaminski that occurred yesterday and
one that we just heard. But what is your overall
response to what the governor had to say.
Speaker 11 (24:51):
He's lying, he is flat out lying. He says that
the most egregious parts of the bill were stripped out.
They were stripped out, and then they were put back
in other sections. And I would be happy to show
our governor where his legislature put dead meaning and misgendering.
It's now moved into the Colorado Anti Discrimination Act in
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section eight.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Now further along those lines, kind of flushing up my example.
Where you have your place of work, you have your
home where he's kind of identifying you can do this
at home, but you can't do this at work. What
about everywhere else in the public sphere? Is he Where
does he land on that? Nobody knows? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
But what does this law say as you see it?
Speaker 11 (25:33):
Well, he won't say this out loud, but it's very
clear in Kada that it's public places at public accommodation,
which is basically anywhere but your home. So it's not
just schools, it's not just government buildings. It's restaurants, it's
T shirt stores, it's wherever. So this does apply to
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the larger population.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
This applies to all.
Speaker 11 (25:57):
Of us, and it's schools, it's everything. So if I go,
if I'm at a restaurant tonight and I say that
my waiter is a man, am I'm in a public place?
I mean, does that give him the right to see
me because by this bill it does.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Is it going to take a case like that, Darcy,
that is that a gregeous, that ridiculous along the lines
in my opinion of Masterpiece Cake Shop and Jack Phillips
or a Studio three or three creative, et cetera, that
have already been adjudicated by the Supreme Court of the
United States.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Are we going to have to do this whole song
and dance yet again.
Speaker 11 (26:37):
Yeah, We're gonna have to do it again because the
more that we keep fighting for our rights, the more
that the Democrats keep trying to take them away from us.
And we have no choice here. So that's why I've
been on the air and on Twitter and on Facebook
and all the things saying, Look, i will go ahead
(26:57):
and say Brianna's home is a man. That is Brian Totone. Okay,
that's my right to say. And I'll say it as Darcy,
and I'll say it as an employer. Look, I own
a company. I'll say it on the air right now,
I'm not going to hire transgender individuals. Okay, Now what
so are you going to come after me? Dreadful us?
(27:18):
Where does that leave people's right hire who they want
to work at their businesses. Transgender people do not belong
around children. They don't belong in situations where they are
able to convince children that their mental behavior is normal.
So if I'm a pediatric dentist, which my kid's pediatric
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dentist hired a transgender individual, I stopped going there, and
I was very loud about it. My kids don't need
to see that and be told that that autogenophilia, that
that sexual perversion is something to be proud of. It's not.
This has gone so far off the rails.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Darcy Shaning joining us. She has worked in the role
as director of Special Initiatives for the Colorado GOP and
of course ran for the chair seat the Britta Horn
would eventually end up winning. Now, Darcy, I have to
imagine that this is a lightning rod issue and you're inviting,
that you're welcoming, that you are willing to stand in
the breach and on the front lines of that. But
have you gotten a lot of blowback, pushback from those
(28:22):
maybe in the trans community and that movement that would
like to see thirteen twelve become law, stay.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Law, et cetera. What has that interaction been like, oh.
Speaker 11 (28:32):
Yeah, there's I have just probably one hundred messages from
on hand blessice, and most of the messages and the
comments this points to the issue. These are men stressed
as women and they're sending me comments that you know
that tranny, I'm probably a man. No, the whole world
(28:52):
isn't it doesn't think like this. Again, there are five
hundred people consulted for this bill, and that's why people
like me has to continue to stand up and say no,
this is not okay. That free speech isn't lost overnight.
It's lost piece by piece slowly like this. It's lost
(29:12):
by average everyday Americans saying okay, the government is telling
me that this speech, this word is hate speech, or
this speech is not okay. That is what we absolutely
can never ever ever accept. I mean, we are coming
to a place now where men that are dressed like
(29:33):
women have more rights in society than my nine year
old daughter, and I do not accept that.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Now we know that a Colorado parents groups are suing
the state over this controversial new log that compels speech
along First Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment lines. Now, the other
part of this we haven't even gotten into, is, like
you said, you look under the hood, it still maintains
with moving the kind of a flashpoint terms of dead
(30:01):
naming and misgendering. The effect of that is still there
in that it can be used in a civil rights
case that Jared Paul has tried to downplay. But it's
still there, still glaringly right there. Where does it stand
in terms of this legal fight, Darcy? Where it goes
from here? Well, somebody have to get standing in a court,
like we talked about a little bit earlier for this
(30:22):
to kind of move the football down the field. Are
we kind of stuck in purgatory right now?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Well?
Speaker 11 (30:27):
Yeah, you need we need victims. We need people to
come forward, you know, whether it's just people that work
in schools or whether it's business owners or what have you.
Is just talking to Christy Davis for months for Liberty
before I got on this call with you. And that's
part of my goal here in going out and seeing
all these things out loud, and I'm going to see
(30:48):
them in a bunch of different places and record myself
and is to gain that standing. And you know, if
we can't gain standing, then okay, then what is this law? Really? Well,
it's just feelings on paper. So we were just talking
about this. If there are business owners, for example, like
(31:09):
more people like Jack Phillipson, we're gonna have to go
through this a whole nother round, like you just said, Ryan.
So anybody that's willing to stand up, you know, reach
out to me, or reach out to parents defending education
and Aaron Lee, they've got their court case. I mean,
it's going to take all hands on deck.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And like Dan Bongino used to famously say, the process
is the punishment. That was the case with Trump and
all the lawfare against him, it's the case here. They
know that this was likely to be overturned if and
when it reaches the Supreme Court of the United States,
because like we said, there's precedent for this. Darcy and
not one, but two cases with Masterpiece Cake Shop and
three or three creative right here in Colorado.
Speaker 11 (31:51):
Well, exactly, you can use Masterpiece as peace law. You
can also use the ruling just two days ago from
me from the just later that doesn't want to call
her male trans legislator coworker. She the Supreme Court ruled
that is that's her right. She doesn't have to participate
(32:13):
in insane speech. So there's a lot of precedent right now,
and that's the thing. They're just trying to wear us
down and say, Okay, let's sund the Republican's money. Let's
see if back down. Well, we're not going to I
don't care if I go to jail. I don't care
if I get sued. That's what we have to do
to protect our country and protect our states.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Not sure if they're involved already, but they need to be.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Alliance Defending Freedom does great work along these lines, and
they've gotten victories one after the other, including the two
that I mentioned. Darcy Shaning our guest. You can follow
her on x at Darcy Darcy number four. Co Darcy,
appreciate your time, best of luck going forward. You bet
a lot of slings and arrows coming her way, and
we appreciate her joining us here today. Your reaction at
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Speaker 3 (35:03):
And Yeah, if.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
The Democrats just let well enough alone, Donald Trump likely
would be riding off into the sunset right now as
we speak. We won't even me in the news cycles anymore.
But you get them for four more years. Congratulations five
seven seven thirty nine texts. Ryan is someone who identifies
as trans thirteen twelve exists only for those who are
(35:25):
so fragile in their own identity that misgendering them makes
them feel attacked. Just because I feel a certain way
doesn't mean that the populace has to change for me.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I want to change for myself and nobody else.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
And I couldn't care less what people choose to call
me as long as I know that I'm comfortable in
my own skin, and I think I speak for the
majority of trans people that a few voices that want
to be heard do not represent the greater community here
here and even a bonus credit for seeing could not
care less. If you could care less, why wouldn't you.
(35:57):
But to that point, whether it's Kimberly or my friend
Sarah Higden or other members who are trans, this thirteen
twelve undermines their very identities,
Denver sixteenth Street Mall has a new name bound to
revolutionize that space.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
In our city.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Downtown Denver Partnership paid a marketing team one hundred
thousand dollars to rebrand the sixteenth Street Mall as sixteenth Street.
Don't act like you're not impressed. That is a one
hundred thousand dollars idea.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You're just mad you didn't think of it.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Good luck getting longtime Colorado's like Marshall Zellinger to change
what he's already already called the mall.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
That's gonna be tough to stop. Marshall, It's it's the mall.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I call it mile High, I
call it Dia, And there's a good chance I'm still
going to call this the sixteenth Street Mall.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I digress.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
The facelift of the street itself is still underway, still
few more months ago, but the facelift of the name itself.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
If I'm doing this right, that seems to be complete.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
When nine News of all outlets is openly mocking you,
Kyle Clark, Comrade Conner, you're probably not coming up with
the greatest idea ever. I mean, this is absolute buffoonery.
One hundred thousand dollars. Now, you know, Kyle Clark makes
fun of it, but you know who's paying that You
(01:17):
denver rights one hundred grand, one hundred grand.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Where else could that money have been spent? I wonder
then on a.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Name where all you're doing is truncating it from the
sixteenth Street mall.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Oh, there is a very ominous name.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You include that mall in there because it gets real
stabby down there, as we found out. Now, I hate
to make light of that, but that's what happened. And
then Mayor Mike Johnston had the goal, had the audacity,
had the honess to stand the sixteenth Street mall.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Right after the stabbing and announced, Hey, actually it's pretty
safe here. We're doing a lot of good things.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
A woman had just been stabbed to death in the
neck's flight attendant spending her time on the sixteenth Street
mall that she had in between flights at the airport.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And that's what Mayor Mike Johnston comes out with. And
there was a passer by this is going to go
down in the stuff of legend that was shouting obscenities
at Mike Johnston that were not suitable for air on
this broadcast.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
And the signer.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
The person doing the sign language interpretation of what the
mayor was saying, also signed with a very stern face
what the heckler was saying to the mayor. This is
where we are Denver in real time. Oh, let's get
in the nuts and bolts of the story. Arose by
any other name would smell as sweet, so we were
(02:45):
told by William Shakespeare in Romeo and Juliet. But is
that the case with sixteenth Street. Let's find out. Marshall
Zellinger nine news, Hello Denver.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
The Denver name gets to stay when these new street
signs go up downtown.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
We will now describe this great jewel in Denver as
sixteenth Street.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
The rebrand of the sixteenth Street mall came with a
giant eraser, at least on paper. It's going to take
some practice to get it out of the vocabulary.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
We dropped the mall because it is so much more
than just one retail.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Location or one block.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
It is an entire mall of experience, a mile of experience.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Not quite a mile yet. The work on the old
mall continues until this fall.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
When you think of what a multi level shopping mall
meant to the street, in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It's very different than today.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Courtney Garrett and the Downtown Denver Partnership spent one hundred
thousand dollars on a rebrand, a new name, which is
really sixty seven percent of the old name, new public messaging,
like the Denver Way, the new logos.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
What was the second most popular name? It ranged from
rattlesnake row, which was an ode to the pattern, and
the pavers to references to the mile.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
The pavers she mentioned are the path down the center
of sixteenth Street, the ones that the RTD Mall ride
son of us.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
We have not yet renamed the bus well.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
RTD did say it will replace the words mall ride
with free ride in a few months, because the new
m word for this area is simply mile.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
The misperception that you can come and think you're looking
for one location for one building, we think has a
real impact on retailers throughout the entire mile of sixteenth Street.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Rebranding and refreshing only goes so far. The Downtown Denver
Partnership reports overall visits here are eighty five percent of
pre COVID traffic, and sixteenth Street store vacancy is at
thirty percent.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
The importance of going through this exercise was a lot
more than just a brand. It was a whole lot
more than just a name. It was redefining the experience.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Redefining the experience again Olkham's razer, Let's cut to the
chase here by simply removing one word mal and did
you notice, may Or Mike Johnson, what I love about
this Two things? One he mistakenly says mall instead of
mile and nine. News, to their credit, kept that in there,
(05:15):
that SoundBite. You know, I harken back to a scene
from one of the all time great films in cinematic history,
Tommy Boy.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yes, Tommy Callahan.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Had just had the experience at a restaurant of convincing
a waitress to turn the friars back on cook.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Him some hot food in the form of wings. Tommy
want wingy.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So he's encountering a potential client customer along with Richard
David Spade, trying to sell him brake pads. And this
is all about the guarantee that's on the box. Let's
see how that turns out. I think Denver's hoping for
the same.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I like your line, I like your prices. There's a problem.
There's no guarantee on the box.
Speaker 8 (06:07):
Heck, if someone breaks down, you can call me, even
if I'm home watching TV.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Callahan is guaranteed every part sold since nineteen twenty five.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Maybe so, but it's not on the box.
Speaker 9 (06:16):
It should always be on the box, comforting you calling out.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I'll never let you down. But if I do, I'm
going to make things all better.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Our brake pads are made with a non corrosive polyplate.
Speaker 10 (06:26):
If you're not talking about a guarantee, skip it to
My customers need to see that little label.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Look at them right in the eyes. Hey, you can
get a good look at your but shirt. Help and I'm.
Speaker 11 (06:38):
All right.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
You want to talk about guarantees, then fellas you just
ran out of time, chicken, let's.
Speaker 9 (06:48):
Think about this for a sex dad. Why would somebody
put a guarantee on a box?
Speaker 10 (06:53):
Hmmm, very interesting on I'm listening.
Speaker 9 (06:56):
Here's the way I see it, ed, Dad puts a
fancy guarantee in a box because he wants you to
feel all warm and toasty inside.
Speaker 8 (07:02):
Yeah, makes a man feel good, of course it does.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Why shouldn't it?
Speaker 8 (07:06):
You figure you put that little box under your pillow
at night, the guarantee faerry might come by and leave
a guard.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Am I right, Dad?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
What's your point?
Speaker 8 (07:15):
The point is, how do you know the fairry isn't
a crazy glue snipper building MYTL airplane, says the little fairy.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, we're not buying that.
Speaker 8 (07:22):
If he sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes.
Next thing, you know, there's money missing off the dresser
and your daughter's knocked up.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I've seen it one hundred times.
Speaker 10 (07:29):
But why do they put a guarantee on the box then?
Speaker 8 (07:31):
Because they know all they sold you was a guarantee visas.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
That's all it is.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Isn't it.
Speaker 8 (07:36):
Pat If you want me to take a dump in
a box and market guaranteed, I will.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I got spare time.
Speaker 8 (07:41):
But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake,
you might want to think about buying a quality product
from me.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Okay, I'll buy from you. What in that potential client?
This is the type of person that just wants to
feel good.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And if you take mall off of the.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Name sixteenth Street, does that make you feel any better
about going down there?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
It's still about as Kyle.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Clark will talk about in this closing to the package,
the experience of going down there, and does that change
with just a name change.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I know, Denver, I learned something a little odd today.
Mayor Mike Johnson and I share a memory. He thought
the Sixteenth Street Mall from his youth was the Tabor
Center in the food court.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I thought the sixteenth Street.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Mall was when my dad would take me and my
sister to the Taper Center and the Sharper Image inside
the Taper Center and then the Burger King in the
food court.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You strike me as somebody who enjoyed a visit to
Sharper Image in your youth.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I mean, I don't know, Marsh.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I feel like name's great, right, fantastic, you know, rebrand fantastic.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
But if the experience is.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Still like check out these national chain restaurants and maybe
get hollered at by a panhandler, that's not a super experience.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Yeah, if you build it, will they come. Safety and
cleanliness was brought up as part of this news conference.
Last month, the City of Denver and the Downtown Denver
Partnership talked about dedicated officers. I think there's gonna be
ten dedicated police officers on foot patrol down here. The
Downtown Denver Partnership hires twenty private security officers and fifty
what they call clean Team members who work here to
(09:23):
keep it clean every day of the week.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
All right, Marshall, Zelling are reporting from.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Just sixteenth sixteenth Street.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Don't call them all no matter what the sign to say, Marshall,
thank you?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Okay, Now, Zach, you're a local, you were born and
raised Sixteenth Street Mall?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
What does that mean to you? What does it symbolize
to you?
Speaker 12 (09:46):
Not a whole lot, though I will say that's probably
because I'm more from the Lafayette border area. But like
Pearl Street Mall is analogous to me, and I like
to day Pearl Street Mall.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I like Sixteenth Street Mall.
Speaker 12 (09:59):
I always thought of it it, you know, is being
one and the same, even though the six strength sixteenth
Street Mall is older, I don't think, I guess I
don't know anyone who thought of it as just being
like one old school mall.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
From the eighties.
Speaker 12 (10:12):
I think everyone viewed it like a walking mall that
is a series of stores, even if it is a
mile long. So it does seem kind of like a
pointless rebrand to me as a local. It makes it
sound like just a street rather than a walking mall.
It takes away anything that was special about it. It
seems less marketable now than before. Why sixteenth Street different
than seventeenth or fifteenth?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
To me, it's like putting a band aid on a
gunshot wound or a wound that requires a tourniquet. There's
a lot more that needs to happen in that area
for the average colorad and to feel safe going down there,
especially at night.
Speaker 12 (10:50):
I'd argue it's almost a step backwards, Like I don't
even think this is aiding the problem of like not
more likely to like, you know, just say, we've never
heard of six sixteenth Street mall, befo, We've never been there,
haven't heard the news stories.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Whatever.
Speaker 12 (11:02):
If somebody goes, hey you want to go down to
sixteenth Street, or hey you want to go down to
the sixteenth Street mall, which is more inviting, are you
more likely to be like, Yeah, that sounds like a
fun time.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
That's a great point, Like you're gonna go down to
a street downtown Denver. I've heard some things when it's
the mall. Least that word gives you some level of comfort,
like the guarantee on the box, like the mall. It's like, well,
there's peg places to shop. You know. You look at Chicago,
for instance, You've got the mag Mile they call the
Magnificent Mile. There's a lot of high end, mid tier
(11:34):
outlet stores, et cetera that are all along that And
I think, now I haven't been there in a while.
I know Chicago's gone to hell in a handbasket under
a couple of terrible mayors and Lori lightfoot in Brandon Johnson. However,
the mag Mile, by my memory and recollection, is still
relatively safe. I felt safe in that part of Chicago.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Now you don't want to go down to the South Side.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
But in Denver you're in the jackpot. It's Russian roulette.
Kyle Clark talks about panhandler. That's the least of my
worries I'm talking about. You're seeing people open drug use
on the mall, needles, people that are mentally unstable and ill,
and they're not doing anything about it, and they get stabby,
like we talked about, they killed a woman there in
(12:20):
broad daylight. When you don't address those issues, you're just
wallpapering over what really is the crux of the matter
and the problem, there are no policy changes for may
Or Mike Johnston from the city council, then what is
the name change going to do?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I mean, this is ridiculous to me. Yeah, it's just marketing.
It's a waste of money.
Speaker 12 (12:36):
I think that one hundred thousand dollars would have been
much better spent on doing stuff for the community. I
remember being a kid, a family done Carter Springs and
we'd go down there for the summer and they lost
all their public pools one year and all their like
fun recreational stuff outside. And around that same time, they
spent one hundred thousand dollars on the brand or the
(12:57):
slogan live it Up.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
And it's like, how are we most live it up?
Speaker 12 (13:00):
You've defunded all the things that were fun.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
And that we could do to live it up.
Speaker 12 (13:05):
This feels analogous to that, where why not spend that
money on actually making the sixteenth Street Mall a great
place to be then dropping the name mall or dropping
the word mall.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
About finishing the blankety blank construction that's been going on
there for how many years now? You're still having the
dodge it. There's fencing you can't cross the street at
certain points.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I mean I've been down there plenty of times.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I'm not one of these you know suburbonites here in
Greenwood Village that doesn't go downtown. I do go downtown,
go to Paramount Theater, I go to Course Field. I
go downtown for a lot of things that keep my
head on a swivel, and I rarely if I ever
go alone. But it still it doesn't look like they
made any progress, or as soon as they do, well,
they got something else to take care of. So to
your point, I mean, take that one hundred grand, take
even more. Get the project done, get it done, finish it,
(13:51):
give us a finished product to look at me before
you worry about renaming it.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
And good Texter.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Here along those lines, this from Steven Littleton, retired law
enforcement off kind of like the mayor of Amity renaming
the beach after the Jaws attack. Steve, it's exactly like that.
You know, if we still know there are sharks in
the water, it doesn't matter what you call it, what
you rebrand it, what you message with, what signs you
put up. I'm still gonna know what's going on down
(14:16):
there because I've done my research. I, you know, watch
the news, but I follow the reports and then I
got this, Zach, I just got this sent to me
anonymous Texter. I must keep the identity concealed. However, this
was just in a Republic Plaza staff advisory regarding police
presidence at sixteenth and Broadway. Attention to Republic Plaza staff,
(14:38):
please be aware of the Downtown Denver Partnership advised that
a stabbing a stabbing, there was more. I didn't even
know this. Another knife attack. Gotta ban all knives, Gotta
go to the Idris Elba cut. We need to make
sure knife points aren't that sharp. Now you're thinking, I'm joking.
If you're just tuning in and you hadn't heard that
cut before, I'm going.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
To dig it up.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
It is ridiculous, like something from this is spinal tap,
but it's real, and it's Idris Elba talking about banning
and blunting knives.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I think we need to do that here in Denver.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Continuing now, advise that a stabbing has been reported in
the area of sixteenth and Broadway. The victim has sustained
non life threatening injuries, and the suspect has not yet
been apprehended. Shocker. DPD is stating there is no immediate
threat to the surrounding area. Please maintain vigilance and report
(15:29):
suspicious activity to DPD. More updates will be provided as needed.
What go about your day? Gone downtown? It's sixteenth Street now,
don't have to worry about the mall that's gone. That part
of the name's gone, Zach. But the stabbings continue.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
It's crazy to me.
Speaker 12 (15:49):
I mean, you're removing the marketability from it, frankly, and
so now it's just going to be the place from
the scary headlines, right because there's no mall.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It's just like sixteenth Street.
Speaker 12 (15:58):
Oh that's the high population jents in the area where
I keep hearing about shootings or stabbings or you know,
whatever it may be.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Why would I want to go down there?
Speaker 12 (16:07):
This is going to, in my opinion, probably hurt business
flow and walking traffic and all that not help it.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I can't imagine how it would help it.
Speaker 12 (16:15):
It's not like fifteenth Street and seventeenth Street or fourteenth
Street have like incredible walking mall situations.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
What's the part, Yeah, it's just the number. And you're
just like you said, you're just continuing down the line.
I know that.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Also, isn't this already the name of the street?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
What is this an all time griff? I mean the
tip of the cap to this marketing agency. This is
like a producer's level scheme.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Who are the ad wizards that came up with that one?
Continuing now with your text, remember the mile high marketplace
that didn't last very long?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I don't remember it, and that actually goes to your point.
Dan says, So they renamed it sixteenth Street like it
was for over one hundred years. Shaking my head. I
grew up in Denver in the fifties and sixties. This said,
they could call it the sixteenth Amendment because they are
now going to levy taxes to pay for what they did,
(17:10):
or the Memorial Mall in honor of the innocence that
died to serve homeless drug addicts. Texter, you gave me
an idea, and Zach, you're the first one I'm going
to ask what should they have named it?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
What should they have renamed it?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Now you can turn in a joky answer with a
wink and a nod. You know, Stabby Lane something like that.
That was pretty good. Stabby Road instead of Abbey Road.
I'm liking this even more. But even if you're serious,
what would seriously have been a good marketing branding idea
for sixteenth Street now set aside for a moment that,
(17:43):
in my view, there needs to be a massive identity
shift in that area of downtown policy reformations. A promise
made by a mayor that's never going to make it
that we are going to crack down on crime, on homelessness,
on drug abuse, open use of hard drugs there and
(18:03):
throughout the downtown.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
It's an epidemic.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
We're gonna bring civility back to downtown Denver.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You're not gonna hear that.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
For Mike Johnson, that's just again this wallpapering over Jimmy
Castle rot nails it. It's like putting lipstick on a pig,
but the lipstick is just a different color.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Zach.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
What should it have been named?
Speaker 12 (18:23):
I like the Texter's idea or reference to an old
name of Mile High marketplace, Like I think that again,
if we just separate the headlines or whatever else. Yeah,
that evokes positive imagery of like a walking mall and
you know, the different shops and it being like a
bustling area that I want to go on a nice
summer day and walk around. It's not alliterative, but it
(18:43):
flows nicely. It's like that's a worthwhile name. Sixteenth Street
is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Sheriff Steve Reems chimes in with a text, does a
Google search of sixteenth Street look different than sixteenth Street Mall? Ultimately,
maybe I don't know it, sud'. I mean everything else
is the same about it.
Speaker 12 (19:02):
I worked it up and one of the top headlines
as team pleads guilty in sixteenth Street Mall shooting that
injured three from twenty three hours ago.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
The others are about the name. Gad, those headlines aren't
going anywhere. By this way, I feel safeer walking down
Woodward in Detroit than Sixteenth Street in Denver. There are
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to your next move. You don't think it's an infringement
on the First Amendment? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 10 (21:04):
Well, look, obviously you have to if you have an employer.
There's things you can say and can't say at work, right,
I mean this is not like you know, with your
friends in your house at all, Right, right, I mean
that's not against the law.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
When you go to work.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
You cannot call your African American colleague the N word.
I mean that that is, you know, that is a
civil rights violation. So of course this is a great
diverse state. You may have to work with somebody who's
transgenders something. You may have to work with somebody who's
African Americans like you just have to respect whoever you
work with. You you know, and you all try to
get along. And that is in the professional side of things.
(21:37):
How we all get together as a state. And I
would add this goes always if you have a adut
Christian who you work with, you have to respect that.
You never mock their Christianity, You never mocked their faith
at work again in your own home, you know, if
you're with friends and you can argue about Christianity or
transgender and you can get meaning and vicious and there's
no violation of law. Totally free speech. But when you're
(21:57):
at work, absolutely there are expectations of what you do
at work and treat everybody civilly. This bill doesn't too
much about that, but that was already the lawng Colorado.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
This is such a simplistic reduction by a guy that
definitely knows better. The slippery governor of our state Jared
Polis with Ross Kaminski yesterday on his program, answering questions
about why he signed the revised edition of House Build
twenty five thirteen twelve, which pretends to give transgender individuals' rights,
(22:27):
but when you look under the hood, it is a
much different bill now law that Jared Poulis has signed. Also,
the reductive reasoning that he offers is it's so insulting.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
It's as if there's two things that you do in
your life.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
You operate out of your home and then you go
to work, and you don't go anywhere else in between.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
You just go right back home.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
So there's rules in the workplace, civil rights applies, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And in your home you could say whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Well, Governor, what happens when I'm out in public, if
I'm at a restaurant, a place of business.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
What happens when Jack Phillips.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Masterpiece cake shop a case it's already been decided by
the Supreme Court of the United States. He cannot be
compelled to agree with the gender identity that is an
ideology of any other individual. But what happens then? He
doesn't give us any information on that. He said, Well,
in the workplace, you got to show respect, even if
(23:19):
you're a Christian not being well. Darcy Shaning, formerly running
for chair of the Colorado Republican Party, she is testing
the limits of this. She'll join us in just a moment.
You could follow her on exit Darcy the number four
co and she posted the following, in part, it is
always your duty to resist unjust laws. Colorado legislators consulted
(23:41):
with five hundred trans individuals in order to write the
Kelly Loving Act HB. Twenty five, thirteen twelve, which I've
already broken over one hundred times since it became law
a few days ago. My minor children also are now
criminals according to the Act, and we will all continue
to be in violation.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Continuing now, Darcy says, quote about five hundred trans individuals
who are mental ill decided that they speak for almost
six million Colorados. Therefore, this bill was stakeholded to point
zero zero zero zero eighty three percent of the population
of our state. Before the Colorado communists at the Capitol
decided to write a bill, they know we'll be stricken.
(24:21):
Not even one tenth of the population is served by
thirteen twelve. In fact, not even one one hundredth of
the population is served by it, not even one one
thousandth We are all harmed by this bill. My daughter
is harmed. I will never comply. Darcy joins us now
on Ryan Schuling Live. Darcy welcome, Thanks for having me
Ryan Now, Darcy, I sent you some clips from that
(24:42):
Jared Poulis interview with Ross Kaminski that occurred yesterday and
one that we just heard. But what is your overall
response to what the governor had to say.
Speaker 11 (24:51):
He's lying, he is flat out lying. He says that
the most egregious parts of the bill were stripped out.
They were stripped out, and then they were put back
in other sections. And I would be happy to show
our governor where his legislature put dead meaning and misgendering.
It's now moved into the Colorado Anti Discrimination Act in
(25:13):
section eight.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Now further along those lines, kind of flushing up my example.
Where you have your place of work, you have your
home where he's kind of identifying you can do this
at home, but you can't do this at work. What
about everywhere else in the public sphere? Is he Where
does he land on that? Nobody knows? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
But what does this law say as you see it?
Speaker 11 (25:33):
Well, he won't say this out loud, but it's very
clear in Kada that it's public places at public accommodation,
which is basically anywhere but your home. So it's not
just schools, it's not just government buildings. It's restaurants, it's
T shirt stores, it's wherever. So this does apply to
(25:54):
the larger population.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
This applies to all.
Speaker 11 (25:57):
Of us, and it's schools, it's everything. So if I go,
if I'm at a restaurant tonight and I say that
my waiter is a man, am I'm in a public place?
I mean, does that give him the right to see
me because by this bill it does.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Is it going to take a case like that, Darcy,
that is that a gregeous, that ridiculous along the lines
in my opinion of Masterpiece Cake Shop and Jack Phillips
or a Studio three or three creative, et cetera, that
have already been adjudicated by the Supreme Court of the
United States.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Are we going to have to do this whole song
and dance yet again.
Speaker 11 (26:37):
Yeah, We're gonna have to do it again because the
more that we keep fighting for our rights, the more
that the Democrats keep trying to take them away from us.
And we have no choice here. So that's why I've
been on the air and on Twitter and on Facebook
and all the things saying, Look, i will go ahead
(26:57):
and say Brianna's home is a man. That is Brian Totone. Okay,
that's my right to say. And I'll say it as Darcy,
and I'll say it as an employer. Look, I own
a company. I'll say it on the air right now,
I'm not going to hire transgender individuals. Okay, Now what
so are you going to come after me? Dreadful us?
(27:18):
Where does that leave people's right hire who they want
to work at their businesses. Transgender people do not belong
around children. They don't belong in situations where they are
able to convince children that their mental behavior is normal.
So if I'm a pediatric dentist, which my kid's pediatric
(27:42):
dentist hired a transgender individual, I stopped going there, and
I was very loud about it. My kids don't need
to see that and be told that that autogenophilia, that
that sexual perversion is something to be proud of. It's not.
This has gone so far off the rails.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Darcy Shaning joining us. She has worked in the role
as director of Special Initiatives for the Colorado GOP and
of course ran for the chair seat the Britta Horn
would eventually end up winning. Now, Darcy, I have to
imagine that this is a lightning rod issue and you're inviting,
that you're welcoming, that you are willing to stand in
the breach and on the front lines of that. But
have you gotten a lot of blowback, pushback from those
(28:22):
maybe in the trans community and that movement that would
like to see thirteen twelve become law, stay.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Law, et cetera. What has that interaction been like, oh.
Speaker 11 (28:32):
Yeah, there's I have just probably one hundred messages from
on hand blessice, and most of the messages and the
comments this points to the issue. These are men stressed
as women and they're sending me comments that you know
that tranny, I'm probably a man. No, the whole world
(28:52):
isn't it doesn't think like this. Again, there are five
hundred people consulted for this bill, and that's why people
like me has to continue to stand up and say no,
this is not okay. That free speech isn't lost overnight.
It's lost piece by piece slowly like this. It's lost
(29:12):
by average everyday Americans saying okay, the government is telling
me that this speech, this word is hate speech, or
this speech is not okay. That is what we absolutely
can never ever ever accept. I mean, we are coming
to a place now where men that are dressed like
(29:33):
women have more rights in society than my nine year
old daughter, and I do not accept that.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Now we know that a Colorado parents groups are suing
the state over this controversial new log that compels speech
along First Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment lines. Now, the other
part of this we haven't even gotten into, is, like
you said, you look under the hood, it still maintains
with moving the kind of a flashpoint terms of dead
(30:01):
naming and misgendering. The effect of that is still there
in that it can be used in a civil rights
case that Jared Paul has tried to downplay. But it's
still there, still glaringly right there. Where does it stand
in terms of this legal fight, Darcy? Where it goes
from here? Well, somebody have to get standing in a court,
like we talked about a little bit earlier for this
(30:22):
to kind of move the football down the field. Are
we kind of stuck in purgatory right now?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Well?
Speaker 11 (30:27):
Yeah, you need we need victims. We need people to
come forward, you know, whether it's just people that work
in schools or whether it's business owners or what have you.
Is just talking to Christy Davis for months for Liberty
before I got on this call with you. And that's
part of my goal here in going out and seeing
all these things out loud, and I'm going to see
(30:48):
them in a bunch of different places and record myself
and is to gain that standing. And you know, if
we can't gain standing, then okay, then what is this law? Really? Well,
it's just feelings on paper. So we were just talking
about this. If there are business owners, for example, like
(31:09):
more people like Jack Phillipson, we're gonna have to go
through this a whole nother round, like you just said, Ryan.
So anybody that's willing to stand up, you know, reach
out to me, or reach out to parents defending education
and Aaron Lee, they've got their court case. I mean,
it's going to take all hands on deck.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And like Dan Bongino used to famously say, the process
is the punishment. That was the case with Trump and
all the lawfare against him, it's the case here. They
know that this was likely to be overturned if and
when it reaches the Supreme Court of the United States,
because like we said, there's precedent for this. Darcy and
not one, but two cases with Masterpiece Cake Shop and
three or three creative right here in Colorado.
Speaker 11 (31:51):
Well, exactly, you can use Masterpiece as peace law. You
can also use the ruling just two days ago from
me from the just later that doesn't want to call
her male trans legislator coworker. She the Supreme Court ruled
that is that's her right. She doesn't have to participate
(32:13):
in insane speech. So there's a lot of precedent right now,
and that's the thing. They're just trying to wear us
down and say, Okay, let's sund the Republican's money. Let's
see if back down. Well, we're not going to I
don't care if I go to jail. I don't care
if I get sued. That's what we have to do
to protect our country and protect our states.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Not sure if they're involved already, but they need to be.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Alliance Defending Freedom does great work along these lines, and
they've gotten victories one after the other, including the two
that I mentioned. Darcy Shaning our guest. You can follow
her on x at Darcy Darcy number four. Co Darcy,
appreciate your time, best of luck going forward. You bet
a lot of slings and arrows coming her way, and
we appreciate her joining us here today. Your reaction at
(32:58):
five seven seven three, wrapping up our number one of
Ryan schuling live after this.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Thanks Kelly. Okay, we're back to live radio here.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
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Looking forward to that. I've had this on my mind.
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Speaker 3 (35:03):
And Yeah, if.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
The Democrats just let well enough alone, Donald Trump likely
would be riding off into the sunset right now as
we speak. We won't even me in the news cycles anymore.
But you get them for four more years. Congratulations five
seven seven thirty nine texts. Ryan is someone who identifies
as trans thirteen twelve exists only for those who are
(35:25):
so fragile in their own identity that misgendering them makes
them feel attacked. Just because I feel a certain way
doesn't mean that the populace has to change for me.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I want to change for myself and nobody else.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
And I couldn't care less what people choose to call
me as long as I know that I'm comfortable in
my own skin, and I think I speak for the
majority of trans people that a few voices that want
to be heard do not represent the greater community here
here and even a bonus credit for seeing could not
care less. If you could care less, why wouldn't you.
(35:57):
But to that point, whether it's Kimberly or my friend
Sarah Higden or other members who are trans, this thirteen
twelve undermines their very identities,
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