April 17, 2025 • 35 mins
Sharyl Atkisson joins a growing list of independent and conservative journalists, influencers, and commentators who have been 'swatted' by radical elements of the Left's lunatic fringe. She joins Ryan to discuss the details, including the e-mail receipts she posted in the aftermath of the incident.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm in Lakewood District too. I'm not a politician. I'm
not allowed voice on social media. I'm a father, a
quiet one when it goes to work, tries to do
right by his family, and stays out.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Of the spotlight.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
But now now you're gonna remember my name. You'll remember
it because I'm not just fighting from my daughter. I'm
finding me sure that what happens to me to my
family never happens to another parent in this district. My
daughter changed her identity, not after years of discussion or
family dialogue, not if their joint input from both of
her parents.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
No, this happened quickly, secretly, encourage my school.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Appointed therapist and a system that never thought to include me.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
And the school did inform me. They didn't include me,
They didn't even ask me. They replaced me.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
By the time I found out, I was already labeled
the problem. My objections weren't tree as concerns, their treat
is as opposition. My voice was dismissed as hateful. My
presence undermined. The therapist, the school, and eventually the court
appointent investigator all decided that because I would affirm something
I didn't deserve to parent my daughter equally anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
They didn't accuse me of abuse, they didn't claim I'd
caused harm. The only evidence.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Against me was that I said I'm not ready to
affirm this yet.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
That's it. And now I'm at.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Risk of losing parenting time, of being raised from my
daughter's life. Not because I failed as a father, but
because I dared to ask questions. And it started in
your schools. Your systems made it possible, and your silence
made it permanent. You gave my ex all the tools
she needed to take our daughter from me, tools that
she couldn't have forged on her own. You gave her
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the therapist, you gave her the ideological support, and you
never once thought shouldn't the father be involved too.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I was supposed to have one opponent in this fight
for my daughter, one voice that.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Equals say, one person across the table who I would
battle for influence, and that person was supposed to.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Be my ex.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
But you gave her reinforcements. You gave her a system
that cut me out of the picture. You handed her
the tools to eliminate me from my daughter's life, and
with your help, she and erasing me all together.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You replaced my voice. You stole my seat of the table,
and you made.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Decisions about my daughter without me. Mary Parker, Paula Reid,
Aaron Kenworthy, Danielle Varna, and Michelle Applegate. Your names are
etched in my memory, not for who you are before.
You're an in action cost me, and I'll make sure
my name is.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Etched in yours. Two. I don't care if you.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Personally signed the policies, stay silently passed, or simply chose
not to know. You are all responsible. Fathers like me
will remember. You may keep your seats this cycle, you
maybe maybe the next, but I won't quit until each
of you is replaced. And Paula Reid, you're in my district.
I've heard you're not running again. If that's true, good,
But if you're playing something bigger, if you think higher
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office is your next move.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Then let me be crystal clear. I will be your.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Opposition at every campaign stop, on every ballot, in every debate.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You've lost the right to lead, and I'll make sure
voters know why.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Don't think you can take a man's child from him
and not reap a whirlwind.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You You don't get to.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Raise our children for us, and those who replace you
try as you have will replace them too. So parents
of Jefferson County, get your kids out of Jefferson County. Now,
you don't know how far this rub goes until.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
It comes for you.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And after you do speak out, join me and take
back what's ours, the right to raise our kids.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Dustin Gonzalez and I wanted you to hear that entire
clip that was his address, impassioned as you heard it
to a Jeffco school's board meeting. And he will join us,
I believe, for his first radio interview on the matter
coming up at three point thirty three, So I wanted
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to start you off with that as a reference point.
Laurie Gimmelstein will join us as well from Colorado Parent
Advocacy Network SEAPAN and she'll be joining us at that
same time along with Dustin. And we appreciate him not
just taking the time, but as you could hear, the
has to be so chaotic, so difficult for him. He
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is dealing with this issue in real time. He has
obvious adversaries on this front in the form of his
ex wife who is all too willing to help fuel
this gender transition for their child without his knowledge, without
his consent, and the Jeffco Public School stepped in and
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replaced him, as he said in that clip, replaced him
with a school appointed therapist who was hired merely to
green light the gender transition process. This is the part
I cannot understand or wrap my head around. Even if
you are pro transing the kids. Let's just say as
a starting point, I am not. If and when I
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have a child and that child comes to me and
I'm his or her father and this individual tells me
my son or my daughter, dad, I think I'm trans,
I would respond almost to me, well, I think you're not.
Not that you aren't absolutely maybe having gender dysphoria. I
want to acknowledge what you're going through, But as a
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first resort, we're gonna go ahead with the default position
that you're not.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Maybe you're gay, and that's fine.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Maybe you need to talk about this with somebody who
is far more professionally qualified than I am.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
We can do that.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
But the first square, the first step in the hopscotch
of navigating this isn't cut their body parts off, inject
them full of chemicals hormone blockers, inject.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Them with the hormones of the opposite gender. If you're
a girl, inject you with testosterone. If you're a boy,
inject you with estrogen. Remove the testosterone. Haven't we learned?
I mean, Mary Shelley wrote a book about this. It
was a novel. It was called Frankenstein, this type of
invasive science. And I'm not a real religious guy, but
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whether or not you are, it is mocking God, our creator,
who made us the way that we are, made you
the way that you are, made me the way that
I am, made Zach on the other side of the
glass the way he is. And again I illustrate how
far we have fallen from the mister Rogers neighborhood, who
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was such a wonderful example and mentor for children, who
cared about them deeply and told them almost every day
on every show, you are specially, you are unique, You
are perfect, just the way you are. What he left
out of that as a minister, which he was, but
he didn't inject religion necessarily, except for I think a
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foundation in religion and a belief in God and spirituality
into his message, which had a very direct appeal even
if you were merely secular, and you could be atheist
and you let your kid watch mister Rogers, because his
messages were universal. It was a warmth, it was an embrace,
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It was a validation, it was a love. It was
acceptance for a child exactly how he or she is.
You don't need to change your body to conform with
what's ever going on in your mind. You don't have
to do that. In fact, you probably shouldn't do that.
These procedures are banned in Finland, Sweden, the United Kingdom,
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just to name three examples, because they do not know
the long term effects of yes, mocking God to step
in and say you're not that gender, even though every
other animal species in the Kingdom of Animals is the
gender that we observe at birth. If you see a
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litter of puppies, you know the male puppies, you know
the female ones. If you see a litter of kittens,
you know the male and the female ones. The physical
nature of any animal born on this planet is not observed.
It is as God created in that moment. There aren't
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animals that suddenly change their minds about what their gender is.
That proves that this is mainly, if not exclusively, a
psychological issue.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Mental therapy needed necessary.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I cannot resolve anyone who would immediately jump to gotta
cut the kid's body parts off. Let's do it, and
let's do it now, hot and quick. Let's get why
why are we rushing to this? It can't wait a month,
can't wait three months, can't wait till I don't know never.
Let's have that as the default position. If a child
grows up, continues to experience genderness for you, wants to
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identify as the opposite gender, wants to consentsor those surgeries
as an adult, then you pack your own shoot is
my biology teacher used to say, mister Bob, still to
make your own decisions at that point. I would not
recommend that decision. I think it sets up for a
lifetime of difficulty, both physically and socially.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
But you do you. You cannot give.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
That power to a child who doesn't have the cognitive
capacity to make such a life altering decision, and especially
without the input couldsent knowledge support of a parent like
Dustin Gonzalez, who will be joining us again at three
thirty three. Trans The kids can't be the default position.
(09:42):
The default position is we have an issue. A young
person going through puberty is having a problem with that,
and that's not unique to any one individual. Virtually everybody
that goes through that experience is like, I don't know what's.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Going on here.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
This is confusing, this is embarrassing. I don't like it,
so stop it. No no, no, no, no, no, that's not
the answer. And you take advantage of you manipulate these
children and their developing minds and their vulnerabilities and their
lack of confidence, and you insert a pseudoscience in an
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attempt to assuage their fears. But you're just adding more
fear to the mix of what these changes will actually do,
the impact, the side effects, the consequences of not being
able to undo those procedures. We've seen detransitioners testify before Congress.
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We've seen these harrowing tales. I could not recommend more
watching What Is a Woman? Matt Walsh's documentary. It's brilliantly
done and it features a transitioned biological female who became
a trans male who is just inundated with regret and
wants to use pre cautionary tale as an example for others.
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Don't do what I did, because it's not what you
bargained for, it's not what you were promised.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
It's a lie that's being promised.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
To you that you can actually become the opposite gender.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You cannot.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You can portray the opposite gender, you can assume that
gender identity in adulthood if you choose to do that.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm a libertarian.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That does not bother me so much as you don't
infringe upon the rights of other individuals, including an especially
girls and women, doesn't bother me. If you live your
own life how you want to live it, with the
people you love, the people that love you, I wish
you peace and happiness.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I think it'll be difficult, but I.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Don't wish any ill will toward any of these individuals.
But I don't understand the rush to this decision and
why it's so imminent. It's got to be now, it's
got to be immediate, and neither dis dustin Gonzales. It's
a difficult issue to navigate as a parent. I can
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only imagine. I can only imagine having to go through that.
And then you have a school system in Jefco Public
Schools which is an absolute abject disaster and failure in
so many ways on so many fronts. There is an
epidemic of abuse in that school district from teachers, administrators,
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and staff. Constant examples coming out in the media publicly,
we have the Columbine High School grooming scandal. Still nobody
has been made to pay a price for that, not
really nobody that greenlighted that grooming, that taking away of
a child, declaring under false pretenses that child to be homeless,
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only to re house that individual in a halfway home
with another staff member, waiting until that student turned eighteen,
at which point said student moved in with the very
teacher that had been grooming her since age fifteen as
a sophomore in a social studies class that this predatory
teacher was the instructor for. Enough, this cannot go on.
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We cannot continue down this path. This is a politically
and I don't even like to get in that part
of it, but it is a losing issue for the left,
for Democrats. Parents writ large across this country don't want
to sign on to this. They don't want this madness injected.
And they're already difficult task of raising a child, having
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to be the heavy and the bad guy as a
parent to enforce rules and boundaries and expectations and consequences
for actions when you break the rules.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You're grounded.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
No, Now, there is no bad guy. Your parents are
the bad guys. Obviously we are the good guys. We
at Cherioch Creek. The superintendent says, your family, we have
a different family for you.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
We have a new family for you. Come be part
of this family.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
There are no rules, You'll never be judged, there's no
negative consequences. Do whatever you want. Is that really what's
best for our kids? Like I said, being a parent
is tough. It's the toughest job you'll ever do. I
hope to find out personally, but I know because I
had parents. Now I have been a coach and a
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teacher myself, and they are so fragile at these developing ages.
The last thing you want to do is to mess
with their heads. Take advantage of their vulnerability. Portray yourself
as a person of trust that's another term that we'll
get into as well, and abuse that trust for whatever
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maniacal narcissistic reasons. You have God complex, you might have
hero complex. You might have that somehow you're superior as
an alternative to the parents themselves.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
How dare you? Where do you get off?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
How do you have such an inflated sense of self
importance and ego.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
All the parents they don't know. I am an educator
and I went through the whole process of school and
I got my undergraduate degree and my graduate degree, and
I'm just smarter and better than these my numb parents
who they don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
They don't have an education degree. Why should they have
input on curriculum. They're just parents. They're just parents. These
are their kids. They're not your kids. They never were
your kids, They'll never be your kids. Cherry Creek High School,
Columbine High School. Always allowing for the caveat that, yes,
certain children are abused and certain parents should be held accountable,
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but the vast majority, the vast majority, ninetieth percentile or higher,
ninety fifth percentile or higher, ninety eighth percentile or higher,
parents would give their own lives for their kids, would
put that all on the line, would do anything for them,
to help them, to guide them, to provide for them food, clothing, shelter, love,
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and yes, discipline, boundaries, consequences. That was a very important
part for me growing up to learn that certain negative
actions had negative outcomes and to avoid those. To prevent those,
maybe I needed to think a little more clearly, have
more evidence, learn from my mistakes. You know what really
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helped me in that regard, And it's not for everybody,
but there are other ways you can do this. Being
part of a team, you're not the center of the universe.
Playing team sports. I could not recommend it more highly
because I learned at a very early age, even with
my siblings, but especially with my teammates, was if we're
going to win as a team, there's certain things I
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got to sacrifice, and it's not about me, and I
got to be a good teammate. I got to think
about the rest of the team. And I'm not going
to necessarily get the ball every time. I'm not going
to deliver the big hit every time. As a baseball
I'm not going to be able to start every game.
Sometimes I was on the bench. You got to learn
how to handle defeat, failure, setbacks, not getting what you want.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
It's part of life.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
But apparently, in my view, a lot of these public
school administrators feel that no kid should ever suffer any
negative consequences or reinforcement of any kind, any punishment of
any kind, any suspension of any kind, any benching of
any kind. Everybody gets a trophy. It's so much deeper
than that. Everybody gets a trophy, most kids shouldn't get trophies.
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That makes trophies worth something that encourages work ethic and
excellence and dedication to a craft or a sport, being
your best, knowing at the end of the game. I
would sit in the car with my dad, and my
dad's awesome, and he was my coach sometimes in baseball.
And I was a good baseball player, not great, but good,
and I had to work my ass off just to
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be on the same level as some of these other
young men that were probably more gifted and talented than
I was in that sport. But one of the things
my dad would ask me at the end of the game, well, Ry,
you know, did you do your best?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah? Dad, I did my bad the best I could.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You know, maybe I dropped that ball, or I didn't
get a hit, or I struck out, but yeah, I'm
doing the best I can. Well, that's all it matters, Right,
You go out there, give it your all, you leave
it all on the field, and it's either good enough
to win or it's not. And if it's not, well
then you chalk it up and you learn from it
you move on. But these administrators, these teachers, I don't
know where they come from. I don't know what experience
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they went through, but it wasn't what I went through,
and it wasn't what many of you went through. It
wasn't what we learned. Sometimes the agony of defeat, it stings,
but you learn from it. You learn so much more
from your losses and setbacks than you do from your victories.
It sounds simple. It is simple, and that's because it's true.
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It's axiomatic. And I just my heart breaks for these
children that are not given those strong leaders. You know,
I saw somebody mocking alpha men. Alpha men are protectors
and they stand up and defend these kids the way
that Dustin Gonzales did in that school board meeting for
Jeffical Public Schools. You know, I use sports on this
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Speaker 2 (19:49):
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Today a really interesting and informative conversation with doctor Asim Malhatra,
a renowned British cardiologist on the front lines of challenging
bad food and big pharma while pushing for a radical
rethinking of healthcare. He's also behind the documentary.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
First Do No Farm.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
He was talking about the dangers of sugar and ultra
processed food fifteen years ago, long before a lot of
others started getting on board. Of course, at the time
he was criticized, controversialized.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
And lampooned, not just a portion of the shop Caryl
Atkinson podcast. In her latest episode, which you can find
on your favorite platform, with doctor Assima Hantra on bad
food and Big Pharma. It's all part and parcel of
her book you can find on Amazon, which was released
last fall, gets almost a five star rating there, titled
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Follow the Science How Big Pharma Misleads, obscures and prevails.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well, talk to her about.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
That, and recently she was swatted, the victim of that
dastardly and what I call domestic terrorism attack. We spoke
with Sean Ferish a couple of weeks ago when he
was targeted in his new home in Tennessee. And Cheryl
Atkinson joins us now on Ryan Schuling Live. Cheryl, welcome,
Thanks for having me. So many directions we could take
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this conversation, but Cheryl, I've got to say you have
endured more than your fair share, not only of criticism,
but of invasive tactics, including from the Obama administration. Other
frequent guests of this program, James Rosen was a target
of the Obama administration breaking into your computer, and now
with this invasive attack, of a swatting. Take us through
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what happened and when you knew something was up.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Well, I got a call from someone who was at
my house at one o'clock, a caretaker with my husband,
who said that the police were there, that there'd been
a reporting that someone stabbed a girlfriend, and obviously didn't
make sense, and I knew pretty quickly what it must
have been. Long story short, someone called in a fake
threat at three in the morning. Fortunately the cops didn't
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comment three in the morning. It somehow got delayed for hours,
so they didn't come in the middle of the night,
during which case there's a really good chance someone would
have gotten hurt. They came during the daytime. They figured
out it was, you know, fake event, very dangerous, but
fake event. There were also numerous pizza orders, financial transactions, attempted,
all kinds of crazy things. It extended to my daughter
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and her husband. They were also victimized. And I'm continuing
to get emails saying crazy things like Americans must die
and some real bad expletives and things like that. But
let me say the most crazy thing, because I've covered
squatting on my Sunday TV show Full Measure, and how
dangerous it is, and how it's becoming more common. Yep,
guy's disinterested in investigating. At least the local office hasn't
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gathered the first shred of evidence, didn't care when I
called the local office, the local police. They don't act
like they know what to do with it. It should
be assigned to a detective, it would. I don't think
the impossible to track down with all the evidence left behind.
They simply market on the calendars or on their books, says, hey,
don't respond to this house next time there's a call
like that, because it's probably fake. But I don't understand
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with all the people that have been squatted and how
dangerous this is, why there isn't a national task force.
But I have to think it's by design, because I
understand something about how law enforcement works, and if this
were an official priority at the FBI, there would be
already a group of cases and investigations. I've gathered more evidence,
obviously than they have because they don't even know. They
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haven't taken any evidence from me, the emails or the
details or anything. So pretty shocking.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Quite follow her on exit Cheryl Atkinson, that's her name,
s H A R Y L at Kison two T's
two s is at t KI S s O N
a highly accomplished reporter, much like James Rosen as well
and Cheryl. I want to kind of cut to the
chase in terms of why you are a target. It's
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not that you have an ideological perspective that I think
the average viewer listener would pick up on, especially going
back to those Obama years. But you certainly aren't carrying
water like most of the mainstream media is accused of
doing for the left so by the Obama administration in
this instance, Why do you believe you're such a target.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
I have no idea, because you know, I report a
lot on the pharmaceutical industry just and many kinds of
scandals and whistleblower stories on my TV program. I've been
doing that for many years, so it's always hard to
pin down if I'm targeted exactly what the story was,
you know, who's or stories and these particular people who
are not just emailing me the same things, but other
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people who've been swatted these threats seem like they're trying
to make it sound like they're terrorists. They're talking about
killing Americans and Americans must die, and that sort of thing.
Part of me wonders, is that a cover, you know,
is it something else? But they're trying to make it
look like it's a foreign terrorist group. In any event,
obviously this should be a priority. They say they're not
going to stop till an American is killed, you know,
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I see swatting by the way, that's that's a crime
of It's very dangerous, but it's the crime of cowards
and people that don't you know, probably necessarily even need
a high IQ to do it, because it's simple to do,
particularly if you can do it from a place it's
hard to trace, you know, from a phone line or
an email. But it's extremely dangerous, and again I don't
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think this would be an impossible crime to sell, particularly
with all the people who've been squatted apparently by the
same group, and with all the evidences there. But again
the FBI hasn't bothered together. Looks like to me the
first shred of evidence on any of these cases.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Find her Sunday program Full Measure on your local television station.
Sinclair Broadcast Group Division is where that originates. Cheryl Atkinson,
our guest, I want to focus You've mentioned it a
couple of times now, Cheryl on the FBI rather portion
of this and the tepid response that you've gotten, which
is all the more maddening and infuriating to me on
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your behalf, because this is far from the first incident
we've seen over these last several months of independent journalists
like yourself or conservative commentators influencers like Sean Ferrish or
Joe pagliar Ulo being targeted with very similar mos in
these swatting attacks, and that Dan Bongino had taken the
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time to make a post course he's the deputy director
of the FBI under Cash Ptell, and it seems like
maybe the leadership is trying to rein this in.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
But the rank and file and they could take it
or leave it.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
And I'm I'm especially troubled, Cheryl by what you just said,
Like theigre's chalking up, Well, if another call comes in,
it's probably nothing. Well what if somebody actually invade your
home and they just blow it off.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Well, so I.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Did tell the police officer who told me he'd put
my helm on a list. I said, well, I may
need help sometime. Yeah, don't put me on a list
that don't respond. They said, well, we'll call you first,
you know, but again that's just none of this makes
any sense from a standpoint of this, obviously, if they
were trying to sell the crime. Dan Bontino called me
the next day when he realized or heard that the
FBI was disinterested in the local office. I reported it too,
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didn't They didn't call me back or get any information,
And he promised someone to call the next day and
nobody did so. I will tell you I understand how
things work. Somebody is blocking these from becoming a priority
or sort of a coordinate investigation. And when you say
there's been quite a few, some of us have compared notes.
It's the same people. It's a group or persons, and
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it's in common. So it's a coordinated conspiracy of some
group or people. And again I've been doing some work
on my own, as have some of the others. I've
got one hundred and fifty page file right now that
has some evidence as to the IP address and the
links and who's license what. Again, the FBI could do
this and more if they cared to, but somebody's stopping
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them from doing that for whatever reason. They visited another
person who was swatted visit with them today under duress
the FDAI. I didn't really want to and was kind
of forced to and ended up leaving and just kind
of shrugging and saying, well, we don't have a case
nobody to give you. We don't if we're going to
open a case and we don't know, well, there should
be already a national body of cases that are coordinated
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that they're gathering evidence on together. That's how it works.
I mean, you look at the effort put in to
SWAT team. This is the FBI swat teaming nonviolent January
sixth misdemeanor suspects who had done nothing more than trespass,
and then the treatment that they're giving to what I
think some people will rightly consider attempted murder because what
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they wanted to have happened is the police come to
your house in the middle of the night and have
someone get hurt or killed. They've made that clear with
the follow up emails. That's what they wanted to happen.
So why the fact wouldn't be interested is just a mystery.
And as to why me, I have no idea, because
I have no idea if they really are you know,
Corn Harris or just pretending to be to cover for
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something else or somebody else that they're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Cheryl Atkinson, our guests sharing her harrowing story of being
a victim of a swatting attack, and that's what it
is and where I'm concerned, Cheryl, because you know so
many years ago, I'm right where you are as a journalist,
trying to let the facts lead me to wherever a
story takes me without an agenda up front. That's how
you do your job. You're one of the best at it.
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You've demonstrated this with your investigation into your own case here.
But I'm not a big conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I haven't been at least and the deep state, that whole.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Notion used to be kind of chalked up as a
conspiracy theory, and you're wacko and you'r QAnon if you
believe in that. However, but we're witnessing here in real
time with what you're dealing with, Cheryl and so many.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Others, is that there is a deep rot within the FBI.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
We know Cash Betel Dan Bongino are two forces for
good and they're trying to root it out. But the
depth of this to me seems staggering. As we look
into the abyss.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
It is, and I have sources on a related note,
but not related to the swatting, that Pam Bondi, the
DOJ Attorney General, is also dealing with obstruction from within
as our other cabinet level members. I think we expected this,
but maybe nobody understands how strong it is and how
insidious it is until you're actually in those positions. When
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Jeff Session was temporarily Donald Trump's first Attorney General, I
had numerous firsthand sources tell me that Jeff Sessions whispered
in his own office when he met with other high
ranking peoples and members of Congress because the people just
outside his own office couldn't be trusted. And I think
that's still the case. So sadly, it's more than just
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replacing a couple of people. It's deeply, deeply.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Rooted, truly remarkable.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
But Cheryl Adkison her own best advocate, no surprise there.
You can catch her podcast, The Cheryl Adkison Podcast on
your favorite platform. Be sure to watch Full Measure on Sundays.
That's a broadcast on Sinclair's stations nationwide. And you can
buy her book once again. Find it on Amazon it's
a bestseller. Follow the Science how big Pharma misleads, obscures,
(32:34):
and prevails. Cheryl Atkison, thank you so much for your
time and for sharing your story with us here today.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Well thanks for paying attention to it, not for me,
but for all the people, and for the whole idea
that if you don't go after these kinds of crimes,
a lot worse things it's going to continue to happen.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Absolutely true, Cheryl Atkinson here on Ryan Schuling Live, your
reaction to what she had to say, a lot of
bombshells in that exchange five seven seven three nine. What
we can conclude from all of it, though, is you
bet your bottom dollar the deep state exists and we're
just scratching the surface of trying to root out the rot.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Here on Ryan's Schooling Live.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Really classic stuff from the Oval Office today, where Georgia Maloney,
one of my favorites, the Prime Minister of Italy, was
paying a visit, and unlike Volatimer Zelenski, she was properly attired,
she looked very nice, and President Trump just riffing on
a reporter there. This is where he describes I do
the weave, Okay, I go over there, and then they
come back and Sean Ferriss, who I mentioned earlier, who
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had been swatted, like our previous guest Cheryl Atkinson, he
does such a great job of replicating that. Right you
go off on the tangent, you come back and by
the way, happy Easter, Jesus. He was fantastic. He is fantastic.
And enjoy your eggs, okay, and they're cheap.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
And then coming right back. It's just classic.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I'm so glad that Donald Trump won on November five,
twenty twenty four, for so many reasons, making our lives better,
I mean, all that's important, but for this show, for you,
for us, for our entertainment value, having DJT the Orange
Man every day, dropping the hot takes and hits like
that one. Oh, it makes it all worth the while.
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And I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
Our thanks to Cheryl Atkinson for joining us in the
previous segment. Got a lot of important conversations still on tap,
including with my friend Drew Holden on the other side
of the top of the hour time out. He has
called out NPR and he keeps receipts. He's got a
thread on X where you can follow him. We'll talk
more about that, showing how NPR is completely compromised to
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a political agenda. No surprise there, but there's just so
much glaring evidence of it.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Will break it all.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Down when we come back and we're monitoring in real
time a mass shooting at Florida State University and Tallahassee.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Two of them killed, six are injured.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
The suspecting custody is the sheriff deputy's son. And more
on that as we continue with Ryan Schuling. Lives stick
and stay right here. Six point thirty K help
I'm in Lakewood District too. I'm not a politician. I'm
not allowed voice on social media. I'm a father, a
quiet one when it goes to work, tries to do
right by his family, and stays out.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Of the spotlight.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
But now now you're gonna remember my name. You'll remember
it because I'm not just fighting from my daughter. I'm
finding me sure that what happens to me to my
family never happens to another parent in this district. My
daughter changed her identity, not after years of discussion or
family dialogue, not if their joint input from both of
her parents.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
No, this happened quickly, secretly, encourage my school.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Appointed therapist and a system that never thought to include me.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
And the school did inform me. They didn't include me,
They didn't even ask me. They replaced me.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
By the time I found out, I was already labeled
the problem. My objections weren't tree as concerns, their treat
is as opposition. My voice was dismissed as hateful. My
presence undermined. The therapist, the school, and eventually the court
appointent investigator all decided that because I would affirm something
I didn't deserve to parent my daughter equally anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
They didn't accuse me of abuse, they didn't claim I'd
caused harm. The only evidence.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Against me was that I said I'm not ready to
affirm this yet.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
That's it. And now I'm at.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Risk of losing parenting time, of being raised from my
daughter's life. Not because I failed as a father, but
because I dared to ask questions. And it started in
your schools. Your systems made it possible, and your silence
made it permanent. You gave my ex all the tools
she needed to take our daughter from me, tools that
she couldn't have forged on her own. You gave her
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the therapist, you gave her the ideological support, and you
never once thought shouldn't the father be involved too.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I was supposed to have one opponent in this fight
for my daughter, one voice that.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Equals say, one person across the table who I would
battle for influence, and that person was supposed to.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Be my ex.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
But you gave her reinforcements. You gave her a system
that cut me out of the picture. You handed her
the tools to eliminate me from my daughter's life, and
with your help, she and erasing me all together.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You replaced my voice. You stole my seat of the table,
and you made.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Decisions about my daughter without me. Mary Parker, Paula Reid,
Aaron Kenworthy, Danielle Varna, and Michelle Applegate. Your names are
etched in my memory, not for who you are before.
You're an in action cost me, and I'll make sure
my name is.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Etched in yours. Two. I don't care if you.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Personally signed the policies, stay silently passed, or simply chose
not to know. You are all responsible. Fathers like me
will remember. You may keep your seats this cycle, you
maybe maybe the next, but I won't quit until each
of you is replaced. And Paula Reid, you're in my district.
I've heard you're not running again. If that's true, good,
But if you're playing something bigger, if you think higher
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office is your next move.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Then let me be crystal clear. I will be your.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Opposition at every campaign stop, on every ballot, in every debate.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You've lost the right to lead, and I'll make sure
voters know why.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Don't think you can take a man's child from him
and not reap a whirlwind.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You You don't get to.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Raise our children for us, and those who replace you
try as you have will replace them too. So parents
of Jefferson County, get your kids out of Jefferson County. Now,
you don't know how far this rub goes until.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
It comes for you.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And after you do speak out, join me and take
back what's ours, the right to raise our kids.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Dustin Gonzalez and I wanted you to hear that entire
clip that was his address, impassioned as you heard it
to a Jeffco school's board meeting. And he will join us,
I believe, for his first radio interview on the matter
coming up at three point thirty three, So I wanted
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to start you off with that as a reference point.
Laurie Gimmelstein will join us as well from Colorado Parent
Advocacy Network SEAPAN and she'll be joining us at that
same time along with Dustin. And we appreciate him not
just taking the time, but as you could hear, the
has to be so chaotic, so difficult for him. He
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is dealing with this issue in real time. He has
obvious adversaries on this front in the form of his
ex wife who is all too willing to help fuel
this gender transition for their child without his knowledge, without
his consent, and the Jeffco Public School stepped in and
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replaced him, as he said in that clip, replaced him
with a school appointed therapist who was hired merely to
green light the gender transition process. This is the part
I cannot understand or wrap my head around. Even if
you are pro transing the kids. Let's just say as
a starting point, I am not. If and when I
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have a child and that child comes to me and
I'm his or her father and this individual tells me
my son or my daughter, dad, I think I'm trans,
I would respond almost to me, well, I think you're not.
Not that you aren't absolutely maybe having gender dysphoria. I
want to acknowledge what you're going through, But as a
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first resort, we're gonna go ahead with the default position
that you're not.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Maybe you're gay, and that's fine.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Maybe you need to talk about this with somebody who
is far more professionally qualified than I am.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
We can do that.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
But the first square, the first step in the hopscotch
of navigating this isn't cut their body parts off, inject
them full of chemicals hormone blockers, inject.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Them with the hormones of the opposite gender. If you're
a girl, inject you with testosterone. If you're a boy,
inject you with estrogen. Remove the testosterone. Haven't we learned?
I mean, Mary Shelley wrote a book about this. It
was a novel. It was called Frankenstein, this type of
invasive science. And I'm not a real religious guy, but
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whether or not you are, it is mocking God, our creator,
who made us the way that we are, made you
the way that you are, made me the way that
I am, made Zach on the other side of the
glass the way he is. And again I illustrate how
far we have fallen from the mister Rogers neighborhood, who
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was such a wonderful example and mentor for children, who
cared about them deeply and told them almost every day
on every show, you are specially, you are unique, You
are perfect, just the way you are. What he left
out of that as a minister, which he was, but
he didn't inject religion necessarily, except for I think a
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foundation in religion and a belief in God and spirituality
into his message, which had a very direct appeal even
if you were merely secular, and you could be atheist
and you let your kid watch mister Rogers, because his
messages were universal. It was a warmth, it was an embrace,
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It was a validation, it was a love. It was
acceptance for a child exactly how he or she is.
You don't need to change your body to conform with
what's ever going on in your mind. You don't have
to do that. In fact, you probably shouldn't do that.
These procedures are banned in Finland, Sweden, the United Kingdom,
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just to name three examples, because they do not know
the long term effects of yes, mocking God to step
in and say you're not that gender, even though every
other animal species in the Kingdom of Animals is the
gender that we observe at birth. If you see a
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litter of puppies, you know the male puppies, you know
the female ones. If you see a litter of kittens,
you know the male and the female ones. The physical
nature of any animal born on this planet is not observed.
It is as God created in that moment. There aren't
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animals that suddenly change their minds about what their gender is.
That proves that this is mainly, if not exclusively, a
psychological issue.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Mental therapy needed necessary.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I cannot resolve anyone who would immediately jump to gotta
cut the kid's body parts off. Let's do it, and
let's do it now, hot and quick. Let's get why
why are we rushing to this? It can't wait a month,
can't wait three months, can't wait till I don't know never.
Let's have that as the default position. If a child
grows up, continues to experience genderness for you, wants to
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identify as the opposite gender, wants to consentsor those surgeries
as an adult, then you pack your own shoot is
my biology teacher used to say, mister Bob, still to
make your own decisions at that point. I would not
recommend that decision. I think it sets up for a
lifetime of difficulty, both physically and socially.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
But you do you. You cannot give.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
That power to a child who doesn't have the cognitive
capacity to make such a life altering decision, and especially
without the input couldsent knowledge support of a parent like
Dustin Gonzalez, who will be joining us again at three
thirty three. Trans The kids can't be the default position.
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The default position is we have an issue. A young
person going through puberty is having a problem with that,
and that's not unique to any one individual. Virtually everybody
that goes through that experience is like, I don't know what's.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Going on here.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
This is confusing, this is embarrassing. I don't like it,
so stop it. No no, no, no, no, no, that's not
the answer. And you take advantage of you manipulate these
children and their developing minds and their vulnerabilities and their
lack of confidence, and you insert a pseudoscience in an
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attempt to assuage their fears. But you're just adding more
fear to the mix of what these changes will actually do,
the impact, the side effects, the consequences of not being
able to undo those procedures. We've seen detransitioners testify before Congress.
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We've seen these harrowing tales. I could not recommend more
watching What Is a Woman? Matt Walsh's documentary. It's brilliantly
done and it features a transitioned biological female who became
a trans male who is just inundated with regret and
wants to use pre cautionary tale as an example for others.
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Don't do what I did, because it's not what you
bargained for, it's not what you were promised.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
It's a lie that's being promised.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
To you that you can actually become the opposite gender.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You cannot.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You can portray the opposite gender, you can assume that
gender identity in adulthood if you choose to do that.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm a libertarian.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That does not bother me so much as you don't
infringe upon the rights of other individuals, including an especially
girls and women, doesn't bother me. If you live your
own life how you want to live it, with the
people you love, the people that love you, I wish
you peace and happiness.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I think it'll be difficult, but I.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Don't wish any ill will toward any of these individuals.
But I don't understand the rush to this decision and
why it's so imminent. It's got to be now, it's
got to be immediate, and neither dis dustin Gonzales. It's
a difficult issue to navigate as a parent. I can
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only imagine. I can only imagine having to go through that.
And then you have a school system in Jefco Public
Schools which is an absolute abject disaster and failure in
so many ways on so many fronts. There is an
epidemic of abuse in that school district from teachers, administrators,
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and staff. Constant examples coming out in the media publicly,
we have the Columbine High School grooming scandal. Still nobody
has been made to pay a price for that, not
really nobody that greenlighted that grooming, that taking away of
a child, declaring under false pretenses that child to be homeless,
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only to re house that individual in a halfway home
with another staff member, waiting until that student turned eighteen,
at which point said student moved in with the very
teacher that had been grooming her since age fifteen as
a sophomore in a social studies class that this predatory
teacher was the instructor for. Enough, this cannot go on.
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We cannot continue down this path. This is a politically
and I don't even like to get in that part
of it, but it is a losing issue for the left,
for Democrats. Parents writ large across this country don't want
to sign on to this. They don't want this madness injected.
And they're already difficult task of raising a child, having
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to be the heavy and the bad guy as a
parent to enforce rules and boundaries and expectations and consequences
for actions when you break the rules.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You're grounded.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
No, Now, there is no bad guy. Your parents are
the bad guys. Obviously we are the good guys. We
at Cherioch Creek. The superintendent says, your family, we have
a different family for you.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
We have a new family for you. Come be part
of this family.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
There are no rules, You'll never be judged, there's no
negative consequences. Do whatever you want. Is that really what's
best for our kids? Like I said, being a parent
is tough. It's the toughest job you'll ever do. I
hope to find out personally, but I know because I
had parents. Now I have been a coach and a
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teacher myself, and they are so fragile at these developing ages.
The last thing you want to do is to mess
with their heads. Take advantage of their vulnerability. Portray yourself
as a person of trust that's another term that we'll
get into as well, and abuse that trust for whatever
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maniacal narcissistic reasons. You have God complex, you might have
hero complex. You might have that somehow you're superior as
an alternative to the parents themselves.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
How dare you? Where do you get off?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
How do you have such an inflated sense of self
importance and ego.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
All the parents they don't know. I am an educator
and I went through the whole process of school and
I got my undergraduate degree and my graduate degree, and
I'm just smarter and better than these my numb parents
who they don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
They don't have an education degree. Why should they have
input on curriculum. They're just parents. They're just parents. These
are their kids. They're not your kids. They never were
your kids, They'll never be your kids. Cherry Creek High School,
Columbine High School. Always allowing for the caveat that, yes,
certain children are abused and certain parents should be held accountable,
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but the vast majority, the vast majority, ninetieth percentile or higher,
ninety fifth percentile or higher, ninety eighth percentile or higher,
parents would give their own lives for their kids, would
put that all on the line, would do anything for them,
to help them, to guide them, to provide for them food, clothing, shelter, love,
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and yes, discipline, boundaries, consequences. That was a very important
part for me growing up to learn that certain negative
actions had negative outcomes and to avoid those. To prevent those,
maybe I needed to think a little more clearly, have
more evidence, learn from my mistakes. You know what really
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helped me in that regard, And it's not for everybody,
but there are other ways you can do this. Being
part of a team, you're not the center of the universe.
Playing team sports. I could not recommend it more highly
because I learned at a very early age, even with
my siblings, but especially with my teammates, was if we're
going to win as a team, there's certain things I
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got to sacrifice, and it's not about me, and I
got to be a good teammate. I got to think
about the rest of the team. And I'm not going
to necessarily get the ball every time. I'm not going
to deliver the big hit every time. As a baseball
I'm not going to be able to start every game.
Sometimes I was on the bench. You got to learn
how to handle defeat, failure, setbacks, not getting what you want.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
It's part of life.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
But apparently, in my view, a lot of these public
school administrators feel that no kid should ever suffer any
negative consequences or reinforcement of any kind, any punishment of
any kind, any suspension of any kind, any benching of
any kind. Everybody gets a trophy. It's so much deeper
than that. Everybody gets a trophy, most kids shouldn't get trophies.
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That makes trophies worth something that encourages work ethic and
excellence and dedication to a craft or a sport, being
your best, knowing at the end of the game. I
would sit in the car with my dad, and my
dad's awesome, and he was my coach sometimes in baseball.
And I was a good baseball player, not great, but good,
and I had to work my ass off just to
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be on the same level as some of these other
young men that were probably more gifted and talented than
I was in that sport. But one of the things
my dad would ask me at the end of the game, well, Ry,
you know, did you do your best?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah? Dad, I did my bad the best I could.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You know, maybe I dropped that ball, or I didn't
get a hit, or I struck out, but yeah, I'm
doing the best I can. Well, that's all it matters, Right,
You go out there, give it your all, you leave
it all on the field, and it's either good enough
to win or it's not. And if it's not, well
then you chalk it up and you learn from it
you move on. But these administrators, these teachers, I don't
know where they come from. I don't know what experience
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they went through, but it wasn't what I went through,
and it wasn't what many of you went through. It
wasn't what we learned. Sometimes the agony of defeat, it stings,
but you learn from it. You learn so much more
from your losses and setbacks than you do from your victories.
It sounds simple. It is simple, and that's because it's true.
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It's axiomatic. And I just my heart breaks for these
children that are not given those strong leaders. You know,
I saw somebody mocking alpha men. Alpha men are protectors
and they stand up and defend these kids the way
that Dustin Gonzales did in that school board meeting for
Jeffical Public Schools. You know, I use sports on this
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program a lot as in kind of a metaphor for life,
but I think there are direct comparisons you can make
as well to your financial planning, your retirement, et cetera.
Which is the five p's that Trajan Wealth advises and
that I subscribe to, and you can apply them in
various other aspects of your life, but certainly in this
one in the financial realm five piece. Proper planning prevents
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poor performance. It's like anything else. You study for a test,
you're prepared, You go in, do what you can do.
You give you your best shot, and you're probably going
to perform a lot better than if you hadn't studied
or if you practice.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
This is big in sports.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
You want to practice smarter, not harder. Right, you keep
swinging the wrong way, whether it's golf or baseball, and
you're never going to get better. You work on your mechanic,
go over some video, you do repetition time and again,
and you get into kind of a groove. And that's
what you're looking to achieve at Trade and Wealth, and
you can get there. It's a simplified process and it's
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Today a really interesting and informative conversation with doctor Asim Malhatra,
a renowned British cardiologist on the front lines of challenging
bad food and big pharma while pushing for a radical
rethinking of healthcare. He's also behind the documentary.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
First Do No Farm.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
He was talking about the dangers of sugar and ultra
processed food fifteen years ago, long before a lot of
others started getting on board. Of course, at the time
he was criticized, controversialized.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
And lampooned, not just a portion of the shop Caryl
Atkinson podcast. In her latest episode, which you can find
on your favorite platform, with doctor Assima Hantra on bad
food and Big Pharma. It's all part and parcel of
her book you can find on Amazon, which was released
last fall, gets almost a five star rating there, titled
(22:18):
Follow the Science How Big Pharma Misleads, obscures and prevails.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well, talk to her about.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
That, and recently she was swatted, the victim of that
dastardly and what I call domestic terrorism attack. We spoke
with Sean Ferish a couple of weeks ago when he
was targeted in his new home in Tennessee. And Cheryl
Atkinson joins us now on Ryan Schuling Live. Cheryl, welcome,
Thanks for having me. So many directions we could take
(22:45):
this conversation, but Cheryl, I've got to say you have
endured more than your fair share, not only of criticism,
but of invasive tactics, including from the Obama administration. Other
frequent guests of this program, James Rosen was a target
of the Obama administration breaking into your computer, and now
with this invasive attack, of a swatting. Take us through
(23:07):
what happened and when you knew something was up.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Well, I got a call from someone who was at
my house at one o'clock, a caretaker with my husband,
who said that the police were there, that there'd been
a reporting that someone stabbed a girlfriend, and obviously didn't
make sense, and I knew pretty quickly what it must
have been. Long story short, someone called in a fake
threat at three in the morning. Fortunately the cops didn't
(23:33):
comment three in the morning. It somehow got delayed for hours,
so they didn't come in the middle of the night,
during which case there's a really good chance someone would
have gotten hurt. They came during the daytime. They figured
out it was, you know, fake event, very dangerous, but
fake event. There were also numerous pizza orders, financial transactions, attempted,
all kinds of crazy things. It extended to my daughter
(23:55):
and her husband. They were also victimized. And I'm continuing
to get emails saying crazy things like Americans must die
and some real bad expletives and things like that. But
let me say the most crazy thing, because I've covered
squatting on my Sunday TV show Full Measure, and how
dangerous it is, and how it's becoming more common. Yep,
guy's disinterested in investigating. At least the local office hasn't
(24:18):
gathered the first shred of evidence, didn't care when I
called the local office, the local police. They don't act
like they know what to do with it. It should
be assigned to a detective, it would. I don't think
the impossible to track down with all the evidence left behind.
They simply market on the calendars or on their books, says, hey,
don't respond to this house next time there's a call
like that, because it's probably fake. But I don't understand
(24:40):
with all the people that have been squatted and how
dangerous this is, why there isn't a national task force.
But I have to think it's by design, because I
understand something about how law enforcement works, and if this
were an official priority at the FBI, there would be
already a group of cases and investigations. I've gathered more evidence,
obviously than they have because they don't even know. They
(25:02):
haven't taken any evidence from me, the emails or the
details or anything. So pretty shocking.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Quite follow her on exit Cheryl Atkinson, that's her name,
s H A R Y L at Kison two T's
two s is at t KI S s O N
a highly accomplished reporter, much like James Rosen as well
and Cheryl. I want to kind of cut to the
chase in terms of why you are a target. It's
(25:28):
not that you have an ideological perspective that I think
the average viewer listener would pick up on, especially going
back to those Obama years. But you certainly aren't carrying
water like most of the mainstream media is accused of
doing for the left so by the Obama administration in
this instance, Why do you believe you're such a target.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
I have no idea, because you know, I report a
lot on the pharmaceutical industry just and many kinds of
scandals and whistleblower stories on my TV program. I've been
doing that for many years, so it's always hard to
pin down if I'm targeted exactly what the story was,
you know, who's or stories and these particular people who
are not just emailing me the same things, but other
(26:12):
people who've been swatted these threats seem like they're trying
to make it sound like they're terrorists. They're talking about
killing Americans and Americans must die, and that sort of thing.
Part of me wonders, is that a cover, you know,
is it something else? But they're trying to make it
look like it's a foreign terrorist group. In any event,
obviously this should be a priority. They say they're not
going to stop till an American is killed, you know,
(26:36):
I see swatting by the way, that's that's a crime
of It's very dangerous, but it's the crime of cowards
and people that don't you know, probably necessarily even need
a high IQ to do it, because it's simple to do,
particularly if you can do it from a place it's
hard to trace, you know, from a phone line or
an email. But it's extremely dangerous, and again I don't
(26:56):
think this would be an impossible crime to sell, particularly
with all the people who've been squatted apparently by the
same group, and with all the evidences there. But again
the FBI hasn't bothered together. Looks like to me the
first shred of evidence on any of these cases.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Find her Sunday program Full Measure on your local television station.
Sinclair Broadcast Group Division is where that originates. Cheryl Atkinson,
our guest, I want to focus You've mentioned it a
couple of times now, Cheryl on the FBI rather portion
of this and the tepid response that you've gotten, which
is all the more maddening and infuriating to me on
(27:32):
your behalf, because this is far from the first incident
we've seen over these last several months of independent journalists
like yourself or conservative commentators influencers like Sean Ferrish or
Joe pagliar Ulo being targeted with very similar mos in
these swatting attacks, and that Dan Bongino had taken the
(27:53):
time to make a post course he's the deputy director
of the FBI under Cash Ptell, and it seems like
maybe the leadership is trying to rein this in.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
But the rank and file and they could take it
or leave it.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
And I'm I'm especially troubled, Cheryl by what you just said,
Like theigre's chalking up, Well, if another call comes in,
it's probably nothing. Well what if somebody actually invade your
home and they just blow it off.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Well, so I.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Did tell the police officer who told me he'd put
my helm on a list. I said, well, I may
need help sometime. Yeah, don't put me on a list
that don't respond. They said, well, we'll call you first,
you know, but again that's just none of this makes
any sense from a standpoint of this, obviously, if they
were trying to sell the crime. Dan Bontino called me
the next day when he realized or heard that the
FBI was disinterested in the local office. I reported it too,
(28:38):
didn't They didn't call me back or get any information,
And he promised someone to call the next day and
nobody did so. I will tell you I understand how
things work. Somebody is blocking these from becoming a priority
or sort of a coordinate investigation. And when you say
there's been quite a few, some of us have compared notes.
It's the same people. It's a group or persons, and
(29:00):
it's in common. So it's a coordinated conspiracy of some
group or people. And again I've been doing some work
on my own, as have some of the others. I've
got one hundred and fifty page file right now that
has some evidence as to the IP address and the
links and who's license what. Again, the FBI could do
this and more if they cared to, but somebody's stopping
(29:20):
them from doing that for whatever reason. They visited another
person who was swatted visit with them today under duress
the FDAI. I didn't really want to and was kind
of forced to and ended up leaving and just kind
of shrugging and saying, well, we don't have a case
nobody to give you. We don't if we're going to
open a case and we don't know, well, there should
be already a national body of cases that are coordinated
(29:40):
that they're gathering evidence on together. That's how it works.
I mean, you look at the effort put in to
SWAT team. This is the FBI swat teaming nonviolent January
sixth misdemeanor suspects who had done nothing more than trespass,
and then the treatment that they're giving to what I
think some people will rightly consider attempted murder because what
(30:02):
they wanted to have happened is the police come to
your house in the middle of the night and have
someone get hurt or killed. They've made that clear with
the follow up emails. That's what they wanted to happen.
So why the fact wouldn't be interested is just a mystery.
And as to why me, I have no idea, because
I have no idea if they really are you know,
Corn Harris or just pretending to be to cover for
(30:24):
something else or somebody else that they're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Cheryl Atkinson, our guests sharing her harrowing story of being
a victim of a swatting attack, and that's what it
is and where I'm concerned, Cheryl, because you know so
many years ago, I'm right where you are as a journalist,
trying to let the facts lead me to wherever a
story takes me without an agenda up front. That's how
you do your job. You're one of the best at it.
(30:48):
You've demonstrated this with your investigation into your own case here.
But I'm not a big conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I haven't been at least and the deep state, that whole.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Notion used to be kind of chalked up as a
conspiracy theory, and you're wacko and you'r QAnon if you
believe in that. However, but we're witnessing here in real
time with what you're dealing with, Cheryl and so many.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Others, is that there is a deep rot within the FBI.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
We know Cash Betel Dan Bongino are two forces for
good and they're trying to root it out. But the
depth of this to me seems staggering. As we look
into the abyss.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
It is, and I have sources on a related note,
but not related to the swatting, that Pam Bondi, the
DOJ Attorney General, is also dealing with obstruction from within
as our other cabinet level members. I think we expected this,
but maybe nobody understands how strong it is and how
insidious it is until you're actually in those positions. When
(31:47):
Jeff Session was temporarily Donald Trump's first Attorney General, I
had numerous firsthand sources tell me that Jeff Sessions whispered
in his own office when he met with other high
ranking peoples and members of Congress because the people just
outside his own office couldn't be trusted. And I think
that's still the case. So sadly, it's more than just
(32:08):
replacing a couple of people. It's deeply, deeply.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Rooted, truly remarkable.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
But Cheryl Adkison her own best advocate, no surprise there.
You can catch her podcast, The Cheryl Adkison Podcast on
your favorite platform. Be sure to watch Full Measure on Sundays.
That's a broadcast on Sinclair's stations nationwide. And you can
buy her book once again. Find it on Amazon it's
a bestseller. Follow the Science how big Pharma misleads, obscures,
(32:34):
and prevails. Cheryl Atkison, thank you so much for your
time and for sharing your story with us here today.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Well thanks for paying attention to it, not for me,
but for all the people, and for the whole idea
that if you don't go after these kinds of crimes,
a lot worse things it's going to continue to happen.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Absolutely true, Cheryl Atkinson here on Ryan Schuling Live, your
reaction to what she had to say, a lot of
bombshells in that exchange five seven seven three nine. What
we can conclude from all of it, though, is you
bet your bottom dollar the deep state exists and we're
just scratching the surface of trying to root out the rot.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Here on Ryan's Schooling Live.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Really classic stuff from the Oval Office today, where Georgia Maloney,
one of my favorites, the Prime Minister of Italy, was
paying a visit, and unlike Volatimer Zelenski, she was properly attired,
she looked very nice, and President Trump just riffing on
a reporter there. This is where he describes I do
the weave, Okay, I go over there, and then they
come back and Sean Ferriss, who I mentioned earlier, who
(33:41):
had been swatted, like our previous guest Cheryl Atkinson, he
does such a great job of replicating that. Right you
go off on the tangent, you come back and by
the way, happy Easter, Jesus. He was fantastic. He is fantastic.
And enjoy your eggs, okay, and they're cheap.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
And then coming right back. It's just classic.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I'm so glad that Donald Trump won on November five,
twenty twenty four, for so many reasons, making our lives better,
I mean, all that's important, but for this show, for you,
for us, for our entertainment value, having DJT the Orange
Man every day, dropping the hot takes and hits like
that one. Oh, it makes it all worth the while.
(34:24):
And I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
Our thanks to Cheryl Atkinson for joining us in the
previous segment. Got a lot of important conversations still on tap,
including with my friend Drew Holden on the other side
of the top of the hour time out. He has
called out NPR and he keeps receipts. He's got a
thread on X where you can follow him. We'll talk
more about that, showing how NPR is completely compromised to
(34:47):
a political agenda. No surprise there, but there's just so
much glaring evidence of it.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Will break it all.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Down when we come back and we're monitoring in real
time a mass shooting at Florida State University and Tallahassee.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Two of them killed, six are injured.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
The suspecting custody is the sheriff deputy's son. And more
on that as we continue with Ryan Schuling. Lives stick
and stay right here. Six point thirty K help
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