November 14, 2025 • 36 mins
Weekly segment featuring Deborah Flora and Christian Toto in-studio with a conservative eye on the entertainment industry, focusing on a culture shift away from woke ideology in music, film, and television.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the right side of Hollywood with Debrah Flora, Christian, Toto,
Ryan Schuling, Zach Siegers alongside five seven, seven, three nine
year Tech. So for the boomers, it was Elvis and Beatlemania.
For the gen Z's Taylor Swift, people talk about her
now in this new media age as if she is
the biggest phenomenon ever.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
To hit music. I gotta tell you, though.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
For jen X, Deborah Christian growing up, I mean, Michael
Jackson was it.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
He dominated the eighties in pop culture.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
His music transcended all kinds of boundaries previously established, really
racial boundaries in music, from gospel and soul and R
and B into pop. King of Pop was his nickname.
Jaffar Jackson is who you heard there? That is Jermaine
Jackson's son. So it's Michael's nephew playing Michael in this
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biopic Michael, and it's due for release in twenty twenty six. Admittedly, upfront,
I told you to this, I am a Michael Jackson
stand to the end. Kendrick Samson portraying Quincy Jones. I
want to start there with you, Christian. Just in the
sphere of biopicks, and we've seen a lot of Them
Lately with Ronnie Mallick portraying Freddie Mercury in that documentary,
(01:11):
as well to Me in Calendar You're twenty twenty five.
It's interesting that it's taken this long for there to
be a true Michael Jackson biographical feature film, and apparently
has the sign off of the family with Jafar Jackson
portraying Michael.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Your thoughts, There's so many thoughts and so many complications here.
One the obvious one is, yeah, we needed this because
if you're going to make biopics of significant, significant people
in the culture, it's Michael.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I mean, this is it.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Having said that, of course, there's the situation with his
personal life, the mysteries surrounding what he did or did
not do. I don't know if they'll ever be solved,
and that hangs over his greatness in a way. And
then of course you went through me too. In this
sort of cultural awakening. We can't just pushed this aside.
(02:01):
So there's lots going on. The stakes are huge, and
also these biopics are a.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Hit or miss.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I mean, we saw complete duds with Amy Winehouse, Whitney Houston.
The New Bruce a Springsteen movie has a complete dud
and then there's Rocketman and this Bohemian Rhapsody and Complete
Unknown was quite well received last year as well, Bob Dylan.
So so much to interpret here, And the million dollar
question is going to be if you've got the Jackson
(02:28):
estate involved, how can they deal with the issue.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
We all know what the issue is that and Deborah.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
His death is shrouded in some mystery too, in terms
of the drugs that he was prescribed by a doctor
feel good. There are those similar questions surrounding the death
of Prince and these celebrities have access to doctors that
are willing to prescribe them whatever they want.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, I think it's going to be interesting to see
because to me, the most interesting thing about Michael Jackson
phenomenal talent, not just his singing, but his choreography, his dancing.
He transformed so many aspects of Entered Hayman and culture
and arts.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
He really did.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
But what I think Bohemian Rhapsody did so well was
it didn't shy away from the human tragedy in a way,
the darkness, the light, the comeback. I think Michael Jackson's
story really starts when he's a ten year old boy,
and he's got women screaming romantic things at him, and
he is already a product at ten years old. That's
something that I think set at the entire rest of
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his life. Would the family be willing to look at that?
How that sets someone up for really, in many ways
a tragic life in some by some standards, some we
will never know. But if you're going to make a
really powerful, meaningful movie, that to me is where we
would have to start. But I don't think the family's
going to want to look at what happens to a
ten year old boy when he is already a sex
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symbol pre puberty. I mean, it's a very odd life
that he had to live. His art's amazing, But if
you're just going to focus on the art, not on
the human story, they just make a documentary, not a biopic.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Okay, he had an abusive father, well known there. I
have a lot of sympathy for Michael Jackson that realm
and the only thing I'm going to say to counter
obviously there was Leading Neverland by that documentary that Christian
talks about outlying the alleged abuse by Michael Jackson of children.
But I've got two very prominent names here who strongly
(04:17):
contend otherwise. The first Corey Feldman, who was abused in Hollywood,
and this is what he told Matt Lauer. Interesting juxtaposition
there with his fate on the Today Show of some
years ago.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
In fact, if anybody wants to go back to nineteen
ninety three, when I was interviewed by the Santa Barbara
Police Department, I sat there and I gave them the names.
They're on record, they have all of this information, but
they were scanning Michael Jackson. All they cared about was
trying to find something on Michael.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Jacks You said, by the way, did not abuse you.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Well, Michael was innocent, and that was what the interview
was about with the police in nineteen ninety three. I
told him he is not that guy, and they said, well,
maybe you just don't understand your friend.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And I said, no, I know.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
The difference between pedophiles and somebody who's not a pedophile,
because I've been molested. The names go investigate.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Powerful testimony there, and then of course Macaulay Culkin talking
about his friendship with Michael Jackson right here, and there's
no sign that there's anything the fairy is going on.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
I think that's one of the results of why we
got along, is that, like everyone's always thoroughly impressed by him,
and so the fact there was somebody who was kind
of just like treating them like a normal person, it
was kind of just like, yeah, it was that simple.
Speaker 8 (05:21):
Was that like he seems like a very like the
most generous person.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, he was generous, he was gentle. Do you still
have any gifts that he might have given you?
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Probably somewhere in the back of my house, you know,
but yeah, look, well.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Give you a birthday gift. Happy birthday, Yeah exactly. Look, yeah,
that's what I mean.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
For me, it's it's so normal and mundane, like you know,
I know it's a big deal to everyone else, but
like for me, it's again it was a normal like,
you know, it was a normal friendship.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So we have those two versions of testimony, Christian. Now
those are isolated incidents. It doesn't speak to anybody else's
story that we have encountered Michael and experienced something very different.
But the bottom line is kind of going to what
you're saying, is that once that bell has been rung,
those accusations have been made. They were so public, I mean,
the running bit for Jay Leno. I remember in his
Tonight Show monologues as well, it's difficult to unring that
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bell even if he was innocent.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, I mean, the most innocent version of the Michael
Jackson story is a kid who didn't have a childhood
right right, and wanted to relive it and wanted to
befriend these kids because they were.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
His peers in a way. That's what we call you
ever got to go through that period.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
You could also say that he wouldn't touch a McCaulay
culkin because he was rich and famous, and that he
may be aware that he had to choose victims who
were less powerful, who had less agency. You know, Listen,
when predators seek out their prey, they don't find the
people who can fight back, who talk back, who had normal,
(06:41):
healthy childhoods. They seek victims, victims who have been abused before.
Again you know, but again we mean, I mean the
fact that we don't know for sure it was fifteen
years ago he passed on or so that's shocking, and
that just tells me we're never going to know.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Well, one more thing here, Deborah, for you to comment on.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I watched this is a documentary on Netflix in which
Lionel Ritchie has profiled in the making of We Are
the World, one of the biggest hits of the nineteen eighties,
and he encounters Michael Jackson for the first time. They
were rivals, kind of, They knew each other when Lionel
was fronting the Commodoores and Michael was fronting the Jackson Five.
This was the first time that he went to Michael
Jackson's house, and this kind of maybe helps explain just
(07:21):
the eccentric genius of Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
He loved animals. He called me, Lionel, lying, now, I want.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You to check out bubbles of the chim.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I don't want to hold the chimp.
Speaker 9 (07:35):
I meanwhile, because a full on fight going on downstairs.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up.
What's happening in the kitchen?
Speaker 10 (07:46):
Michael, what's going on?
Speaker 9 (07:47):
He says, Ricky, the mina bird is having a fight
with a dog because the bird can talk, and the
dog is man at the bird.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Out of the corner of my.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Eye, I see some albums falling over.
Speaker 11 (08:03):
And I hear.
Speaker 10 (08:09):
That. I look over my shoulder.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
That's the biggest fricking snake. And Michael's going there. He
is Lionel.
Speaker 11 (08:22):
Oh my god, he lost the snake in the room.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
He came out when he heard a singing lionel, and
he wanted to meet you.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
He wants to say hello to you. Get out of
here quick.
Speaker 12 (08:36):
I am screaming like it's it's it's this is the end.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I saw this horror movie and it's not good for
the brother. Never your thought on the eccentricity.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Of Michael Jackson, Yeah, I think I think Christian said
it really well. He seems to be from a very
external perspective, someone who never had a childhood. And then
when you when you match that with just limitless wealth,
you can create this kind of artificial world. And I
think the fascinating story would be how much did he
become more and more disconnected with reality, allowing a doctor
(09:10):
to prey upon him with the overdose and all of that.
But he had the means to create this entire fantasy world.
I mean even Neverland when you think about it's where
no one has to grow up. You can stay one
of the lost boys in Peter Pan if you were
going to do a really interesting examination one of the
greatest talents in our country for any generation, truly a
(09:32):
talented individual.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
That would be the story.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Somebody who built an entire fantasy world filled with snakes
and mina birds and everything else you could think of,
and with young boys his companions. Nefarious or not, that's
the story. Let's see if that's the story that they tell.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Could be the biggest biopic of all time.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Michael coming out in twenty twenty six again Jermaine, his
brother's son, Jafar Jackson, Michael's nephew starring in the lead role.
Didictable response and this is why they just don't move
the needle anymore. Whether it was Stephen Colbert or Jimmy Kimmel,
or John Stewart or Seth Myers, all of them reacted
(10:12):
with exactly the same way, using the exact same template
script and talking points. As the government shutdown came to
an end and Democrats were left holding the bag. Here's
Stephen Colbert, so yes.
Speaker 12 (10:24):
Yes, the shutdown may have been long and painful from
millions of Americans, but at least it achieved Jack squat.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
That is, and we know why Jack is squatting.
Speaker 12 (10:38):
But these Democratic defectors did get one concession. Senate majority
leader John Soon promise them a vote on the ACA
in December, because that's when people get down to serious work. December,
you work about six days.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Half of that is spent.
Speaker 12 (10:59):
Doing the mandatory off the store decorating contests. Welcome to
accounting or should I say.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
The Polar Express. Now you got caught chuckle lot. You
know never you picked that one because you said it
was the only one that was funny.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Yeah, it's the only one that's actually humorous.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Because he doesn't use as an excuse to just turn
on Skew or somebody else in an unrelated manner. He
at least acknowledged although it should have been really dwelt
upon a little bit longer that Americans suffered under this shutdown.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
But he actually just went for humor. I mean, it
is kind of funny.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
It achieved what squat and then it's gonna be solved
in December. He played upon things without turning it into
some kind of Trump bashing or later we hear they
got it turned selling to Sydney Sweeney that had absolutely
nothing to do with anything.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
It was funny without pointed vitriol.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Used as an opportunity to push some kind of bitter narrative.
I mean, it still was not balanced but LASTI just
actually went for some humor there.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Congratulations of Nevor finding the needle in the comedy.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Haste only one, by the way, disclaimer and you.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Both picked this one from Jimmy Kimmel as he just
continues to shout out the propaganda this is cringe worthy.
Will get Christian's response on the other side from Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 13 (12:12):
Here in the present, we are on day forty one
of the Trump government shut down.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Democrats refuse to.
Speaker 13 (12:17):
Sign on to a bill that would force millions of
Americans off their healthcare and make it much more expensive
for those who can afford healthcare. So Democrats drew a
line in the sand.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
They said, we are not going over this.
Speaker 13 (12:29):
And today, after forty one days, they pulled out a
shovel and a bucket and they ate all that sand.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And got nothing for it.
Speaker 14 (12:37):
Isn't that great?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
You know what they got?
Speaker 13 (12:39):
They got a promise from Republicans in the Senate to
hold a vote on healthcare.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Sometime in the future.
Speaker 13 (12:45):
And if there's one thing we know about Trump and
his merry band of sick offants, it's that their word.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Is as good as gold.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
This is just so different from the political humor that
a lot of late night comics would use in the past,
whether it was Johnny Carson or Jaylen or even David Letterman,
and that you know what side he's on. He has
chosen that jersey and it just it just falls flat.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It's not funny.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
It's not funny, and you know, and you just know
the angle right away. And there's much less attempts at
humor there than with Colbert. Colbert had a couple of
decent cracks, but listen the way he stars it with
the Trump shut down. The Trump shut down, I think
there was a fourteen or fifteen times they tried to
get the govern open again and they slammed the door shut.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That was the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
And by the way, one thing you will not hear
from Stuart or Colbert or any of these people is
people were literally suffering because of this. People weren't getting
their checks, the snap benefits were suspended. That's a problem.
And all these healthcare woes and the prices going up.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You did that.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
The Democrats did that, and maybe have a snark or
two to say, yeah, we made a lousy system and
now it's falling apart and we're trying to piece meal
it back together. But this is a problem. It's just
wildly dishonest and nakedly partisan. And it's funny because this
is Jimmy Kimmel just went out and said that all
her Trump friendly friends and family members, they're just suffering
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from disinformation. Well, look inside her house, that's where it's
coming from.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Deborah.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Yeah, absolutely agreed.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I mean, first of all, when you think about how
many Americans actually get their news from shows like this,
and so when he just blatantly says something without any
intellectual integrity whatsoever, calling it the Trump shut down, it's
just low.
Speaker 10 (14:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
The only thing that this had that resembled comedy was
the timing of the delivery. Everything within it was bitter,
was wrong, was hateful. Turns it merely to the Trump
sick events. And I'm listening to the audience laughing. And
there's been studies done about comedy and if you just
get a certain time, people are like, oh, I'm supposed
to laugh now correct whether they thought.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
It was funny or not.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
But there's nothing else that resembled comedy, and this entire
thing it's bitter, it's ugly, it's sad, and it is
just morally kind of ethically depraved because he's just lying
in his information once again.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
By the way, once again just lying about it.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Turning to John Stewart, A lot of people hold him
in higher regard. But this is where, as Debra pointed out,
Sidney Sweeney is dragged in and dragged for her movie
box office flop. I don't know that she's ever expressed
a political opinion. It's just conservatives happened to stick up
for with her jeans ad and she gets dragged into
the mix.
Speaker 14 (15:23):
I can't believe that.
Speaker 12 (15:28):
You had the wind out your back election victories all
over the country.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Whew, Sidney Sweeney movie box office popkus.
Speaker 12 (15:40):
Apparently her new MAGA fan base didn't show up in
droves to see a biopic about a lesbian professional boxer
who overcomes domestic violence deliver truth.
Speaker 14 (15:50):
Who could have.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Seen that, Deborah, You had picked that one, and he
manages to pull in all of us MAGA Republicans, Trump supporters.
It's on us that her movie failed and we didn't
support her.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
This is nonsense in so many ways. Just listen to
its tone.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
By the way, he actually sounds like a crazy person,
and I know that's his delivery, But you're seeing thinking,
oh my gosh, I need to call somebody to have
this guy put away his delivery. He's trying so hard
to go to an extreme. And then how ironic that
he criticizes Sidney Sweeney for doing.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
A brave role. I don't know if it was a
good movie.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I didn't see it, but she actually did it, which
should be applauded if this is the viewpoint he has
of identity politics and showing those kind of characters. The
same week, by the way, that Sidney Sweeney showed such
maturity refusing to get into it with a GQ reporter
when the Duke reporter baited her and bade her, and
finally she just said, you know, if I have something
(16:46):
to say, people will know.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, that's all she said. She's just out.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
There doing her craft. And when I'm seeing here someone
who doesn't even know what his craft is anymore, because
there's nothing about this that is comedic.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
And Toto, what Deber just described has turned into a
mean time plit.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
That interview that Sidney Sweeney did. Yeah, listen, his.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Whole approach now is just screaming and yelling and cursing.
And he's done a lot of that in the past,
but now it's getting worse because some of the listen
I would I guess if I'm a Democrat, I'd be
doing that too, you know, But dragging the Sidney Sweeney
thing is really it's a big deal to me, and listen,
it's pop culture. You could say it's nonsense, but look
at how it's being framed.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
First of all.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Second of all, she's making a movie that a lesbian
boxer who suffered to extreme domestic violence. That's a noble
thing to bring to the screen and to share that
story and to share the resilience. But he's going to
poop all over it because it might be right adjacent.
That's where his values are, meaning he doesn't have any Well,
that was.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
The late night response to the government shut down ending,
and of course they quickly changed the subject to the
Epstein Files. That was again right is reign predictable? Just boring?
That's what has become. What is not boring? Our Friday Fool.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Of the Week nominee.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
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Speaker 11 (19:43):
Tikes in what you know, like someone as horrendeously ugly
as Miranda Divine physically and in terms of her h
in terms of radics.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
It does.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
I mean she is the know and and and that
goes for you know. You know, I'm in Daily Mail
and you know, but I mean they're horse. I mean
they're horse for money. And you know she does it
because she makes money. And you know, when when she
goes to sleep at night, I'm sure she sleeps just fine.
(20:20):
But you know, I don't know anybody that's going to
be mourning her when she's gone. I think this person,
I mean, the sheer hipocrisy. There's so many things to
unpack here.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
With Hunter Biden back here on the right side of
Hollywood Fool the Week nominee Hunter Biden now this one
so many layers and levels for me, because I know
Miranda Divine personally, She's been on the show many times.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
She's a wonderful human being.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
She is so sweet, so kind, and a great journalist,
a great writer.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
So it falls flat on all levels.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
It's an ad hominem attack here, attacking her appearance, calling
her a whore for money.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I mean, hello, buddy, caught me cattle? Are you kidding
me with?
Speaker 8 (20:59):
That's a guy who horned in on, hooked up with
his brother's widow, got her hooked on crack cocaine, dumped her,
knocked up a stripper.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I mean, shall we go on?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
This is the moral arbiter of ethics in journalism. So
I texted Miranda Devine. I invited her to come on,
and she replied with the following, Hi, Ryan, I'll be
on a plane tonight to Palm Beach. But I don't
really want to give the crackhead any more attention.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Good job, way to go, dev I.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Got to go to you first as a woman here,
I mean, the first place that he goes to is
attacking her looks and saying that she's horrendously ugly.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I don't even know where to start.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I just put it this way. You know, project much.
I mean everything here is projection.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
I mean about and the very fact that Hunter Biden
would anyways speak as though he understands.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
What ethics are. But I would say to Miranda, good
on you.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I mean, honestly, if someone with that morally depraved character
is attacking you, you must be doing something really, really well.
So you know, I agree that I think as great
what you did. Don't give it any more air, don't
give it anymore because you know it's just I don't know.
I'm almost speechless, but there we go. I wish he
was speechless. Actually, I wish you would just stop talking about.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
These big total Isn't this the ultimate endorsement of all
the work that she's done on the Hunter Biden laptop story,
the two books that she's written.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, where did she go wrong? What facts were wrong
in that story? And her reputation? Maybe you should be
in theory more upset that they try to cancel it
and try to censor it. Just not obviously it affects him,
But you don't want news to be censored. Hunter Biden's
very existence as a pop culture figure and a consequential
member of the you know the Beltway bunch. It just
(22:42):
shows you the hypocrisy on the left because here's a
guy who has been treating women extraordinarily badly, who has
done so many bad things on his life, and also
texted multiple times.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
The N word. That was in the New York Person,
The New York.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Post had that, and it was almost completely ignored, roughly
the same time that they were trying to get Morgan
Wallen thrown out of show business because he used the
word once in a private situation and not with someone
of color. So the hypocrisy is I mean, he is
a poster child and he can't even see it, but
the culture can't either.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah, and I just want to I want to think
you make a great point because we were talking during
the break. There are certain people their only actual principle
is are you on my side or not? So they
don't criticize him for all of his behavior, give him
a microphone him using the N word, which would cancel
anyone that was even moderate shows. There's really only one
principle that too many people have. Are you on my
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side or the other side, whatever that means.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
But all we have to do, Deborah, it's such a
good point is comparing contrast that to our reaction the
three of us and so many on the right to
Tucker Carlson platforming Nick flintest Immediately, we repudiate that that
he didn't push back on front taste and his adoration
for Stalin for Hitler. His racist, misogynistic commentary has no
place on our side of the fence, and we call
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it out.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
But Hunter Biden could be the most depraved, degenerate individual.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And because like you said, Deborah, he's on the correct
side for the left, they leave him alone.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
You're either based on principle or you're not, no matter
which side of the isle it's coming from.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Well, I know it sounds like it's a slam dunk,
and that might be an all timer, Hunter Biden. We
gotta give you some competition. And this is a two parter.
I couldn't narrow it down to just one. Michelle Obama
is a thing still politically in the sphere. Perhaps she
wants to matter. Is it pop culture? Is it her
wanting the attention, the narcissism off the charts that goes
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without saying, but just also the tone deafness of this comment.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Think who is she speaking to? With this. Is this
going to play in Peoria?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Is this going to appeal to people in flyover country
in Appalachia, in rural Ruspelled, Ohio?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
What is the point of this? I didn't really have
that choices.
Speaker 15 (24:53):
Firstly, yeah, every day, every time I was up, as
we called it, you know, I was.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Up for the public.
Speaker 16 (25:00):
Yes, and the days were long, so as you mentioned,
to save time, yes, you know, I know, having a
glam team, a trifecta, it feels like a luxury, but
it was a time time, this necessity. There's absolutely no
way that I would be able to do my hair
and make up and have clothes ready that fit, you know,
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because where is the woman that can live off the rack?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yes, but I got to add to this. I'm gonna
have Deverra respond first.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
But she seems to be really obsessed with two things,
one her hair and then two how other people react
to her hair. So she said in another clip that
I don't have time for that. She understood the symbolism
of her wearing braids as first lady, and she wasn't
sure the country was ready for that. And then not
only did she lean in, she dove in head first
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and went right to the race card here and this
is even more off the charts.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Then, let me explain something to white people.
Speaker 15 (26:03):
Our hair comes out of our head naturally in a
curly pattern. So when we're straightening it to follow your
beauty standards, we are trapped by the straightness. That's why
so many of us can't swim and we run away
from the water. People won't go to the gym because
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we're trying to keep our hair straight. For y'all, it
is exhausting, and it's so expensive and it takes up
so much time. It Braids are for y'all, so we
can work harder and focus on the work. So why
do we need an act, an act of law to
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tell white folks to get out our hair. Don't don't
tell me how to wear my hair, and don't wonder
about it, don't touch it.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Just don't hope and change right bringing the country together?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Were not Red states or blued states, just the United States.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Her husbands, you.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Know what's happening in our culture right now is people
are actually saying everything that they think.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
And.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Some of them just shouldn't. I mean, she.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Thinks that every white person talk about racist either wants
to tell her how to actually cares about her hair,
don't care that she has to live to our students.
I mean, that is bizarre. That is absolute bizarre. And
when she says things that's just one side. That's the
racist side. Now talk about the absolute elitist statement.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
Rare is the woman who wears clothes.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Off the rap.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
That is ninety nine percent of our culture, if they
could even pay their bills and get new wardrobe items.
Speaking with this woman is so detached from reality.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
I didn't think i'd get more upset at it than
I would about a hunter bid. No, but you just
look at this and I'm like, wow, in some ways,
keep talking. The other thing I want to say is
the woman who is interviewing Michelle Obama that first clip,
the kind of insidious just I don't know, slavic flattery everything.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
She's like, oh yes, oh yeah, you know, I don't know, wish.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I'm more put up by the audiences listening, the people
that put these people on the you know, the in
front of a mike and just you know, just go
along with them, or the statement itself. I gotta tell you,
Michelle Obama is showing us what she really thinks and instead,
by the way, one last thing I got to say,
looking at being First Lady of the United States of
America is one of the greatest honors of your life,
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one of the greatest opportunities to serve all of those
Americans who made her her life so hard. If you
can't see that as an honor, you do not deserve
to be in the People's House.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Christy. Sorry, Michelle Obama, she's so bad.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I'm fifty seven and I'm white, and I've never given
a nanosecond thought with black women's hairt or and different.
It's just I don't care. I don't want more importantly,
you know, I think it's been conventional wisdom, and I
believed it for a long time that Michelle Obama could
just enter any race and just crush it, that her
that her political future was limitless, that she had intelligence
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and beauty, and she had power, and she had cultural sway,
and she never did. And I always thought that she
never did because she just doesn't want that life. It's
sheer to live the way she does. Now, sure that
may be true. Maybe deep down she realizes that she's
not really good at this, at being relatable, having the
common toucholic knows. I mean, I would actually give her
credit for that. I'm saying, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's not me. I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
My husband could do it.
Speaker 10 (29:42):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well, another person not very self aware.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I was watching Gutfeld last night and Kat timp commented
on Kamala Harris and the great take that she had
about this was she's going into her analysis of this
strategy and really bragging about it.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
She lost.
Speaker 14 (30:00):
I was aware of my opponent's strategies and I wasn't about.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
To fall prey or fall into those traps.
Speaker 14 (30:10):
And part of his strategy and those around him was
to try and take me off.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Our gang and message.
Speaker 14 (30:22):
And I wasn't about to be distracted by those little,
those planes that he was trying to throw to get
me away from one of my highest priority, which was
talking to people about the economy and their well being
in terms of their financial well being.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
And that's so I was.
Speaker 14 (30:40):
I understood the game that was being played, and I
made a decision that I wasn't going to get played.
And three dimensional chests.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I'm telling you, it was three dimensional chests to lose
all seven states and an electoral college landslide defeat.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Christians. What is with that laugh?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I know we talked about it endlessly, but the placement
of it is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's a tell, it's a tell. It's really weird. And
I don't think she's.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Ever told a successful joke. And you know, usually if
you tell a joke, you don't laugh at your own jokes.
That's kind of a weird thing too. What is she
laughing about is just the most foolish person. And again
the fact that you know, Saturday Night Live, late night
TV doesn't go near her cornucopia of greatness.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
There's so much to dig into. My gosh, they won't
go near her.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
No.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Yeah, I just I'm still stunned that Kamala Harris is
talking about three dimensional chests and the only thing she
could say about is that she lost completely. I mean,
she was being playing on one level, and maybe she
was actually playing checkers. She's actually in this moment bragging
about her brilliant strategy and a lack of introspection to go.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
I mean, hey, I've run for office. Good on you
for getting out there.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I after not winning, looked at everything I would have
done differently.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
I had a little.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Introspection, went wow, I could have done that differently or whatever.
But at the end of the day, I lost and
the ability to say that, goodness.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I'm so glad you brought that up.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
It would be like in the fourth congressional race, you
would have come on my show, didn't I run fantastic?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Yeah, you know what, My fourth dimensional chess strategy got
me right here where I am and not in congress.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Did some who jays take a tape parade for series,
But that was a closer world series than this election.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
They can hold their heads high. All right, that's what
you have to consider. Five.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I know your vote Friday Fool the Week, Hunter Biden,
Michelle Obama, Kamala Harris. Wrap it all up with the
votes of Deborah and Christian. We come back on the
right side of Hollywood.
Speaker 9 (32:56):
I fully welcome voters into our coalition. And I know
that sounds crazy to some people, but just hear me out.
I cannot tell you.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
It just happened to me, like two weeks ago.
Speaker 9 (33:13):
I can't tell you how many times someone has pulled
me aside and said either I was once a big
Trump voter and a Trump supporter, and I watched Fox
News every day. But then I started to kind of
expand my world and where I got information, and now
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I've learned, and now I've changed, and I'm with you
and I learned from you. Or people who meet me
who are who are really big Republicans now, and they
are shocked when they meet me because they're like, you
are nothing like I was told you are. And you
start to see the bogs turning.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I that never happened for one.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
About this though, Guys, she didn't make the cut for
our top three nominees Friday Fool of the Week AOC.
But now we get down to the vote, You've had
time to think about it. During the break, Toto, I'll
turn our lonely eyes to you first. Is it Hunter Biden?
Is it Michelle Obama? Or is it Kamala Harrison?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Why? You know, I waffle here.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I go from the fool who's just foolish to the
fool who's incredibly cruel and mean. So if I want
to go to the mean direction, I go with Hunter Biden.
But I've got to go with Michelle Obama. She is
just foolish in such a Gargangean way. And you know, again,
these are people who are not twenties and thirty somethings.
They've lived a life, they've they've experienced it that we've
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never experienced. And you think that would be maybe a
b doll up of wisdom would come along with that.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Apparently not so total. Michelle Obama his vote double.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Floor, Well, I'm going to have it's gonna be two
for Michelle.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
My situation is, you know, Hunter Bien, I expect that
of him and Michelle Obama. I suspected that she thought
these things, but she said them out loud, and she
is so condescending. She is so condescending to the American
people who elected her husband and allowed her to be
First Lady of the United States of America, and she
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is condescending to every single person with less melotonin in
their skin and is saying what she really thinks of
the people that put them in the White House.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
That's just wrong.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
It's what I told Dan Kaplis, who has been, to
the much of the chagrin of our listeners, very positive
in his analysis, and he's trying to be objective. I
get it about what Michelle Obama's potential political acumen could be.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I said, she's terrible.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Kind of what you were saying, Toto, that the more
the American people saw her and heard her, the less
they would like her.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
She was idealized.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
She was on magazine covers as first Lady, but everything
she's said and done since has been cringe worthy. It
makes you WinCE. It does not relate to the common
folk in America. She would lose, and she would lose bigly.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
We got a bonus segment right side of Hollywood. They're
sticking around.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Deborah the Christian will get to your text your votes
on Fool the week after this, as well on Ryan
Schuling Live
On the right side of Hollywood with Debrah Flora, Christian, Toto,
Ryan Schuling, Zach Siegers alongside five seven, seven, three nine
year Tech. So for the boomers, it was Elvis and Beatlemania.
For the gen Z's Taylor Swift, people talk about her
now in this new media age as if she is
the biggest phenomenon ever.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
To hit music. I gotta tell you, though.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
For jen X, Deborah Christian growing up, I mean, Michael
Jackson was it.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
He dominated the eighties in pop culture.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
His music transcended all kinds of boundaries previously established, really
racial boundaries in music, from gospel and soul and R
and B into pop. King of Pop was his nickname.
Jaffar Jackson is who you heard there? That is Jermaine
Jackson's son. So it's Michael's nephew playing Michael in this
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biopic Michael, and it's due for release in twenty twenty six. Admittedly, upfront,
I told you to this, I am a Michael Jackson
stand to the end. Kendrick Samson portraying Quincy Jones. I
want to start there with you, Christian. Just in the
sphere of biopicks, and we've seen a lot of Them
Lately with Ronnie Mallick portraying Freddie Mercury in that documentary,
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as well to Me in Calendar You're twenty twenty five.
It's interesting that it's taken this long for there to
be a true Michael Jackson biographical feature film, and apparently
has the sign off of the family with Jafar Jackson
portraying Michael.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Your thoughts, There's so many thoughts and so many complications here.
One the obvious one is, yeah, we needed this because
if you're going to make biopics of significant, significant people
in the culture, it's Michael.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I mean, this is it.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Having said that, of course, there's the situation with his
personal life, the mysteries surrounding what he did or did
not do. I don't know if they'll ever be solved,
and that hangs over his greatness in a way. And
then of course you went through me too. In this
sort of cultural awakening. We can't just pushed this aside.
(02:01):
So there's lots going on. The stakes are huge, and
also these biopics are a.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Hit or miss.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I mean, we saw complete duds with Amy Winehouse, Whitney Houston.
The New Bruce a Springsteen movie has a complete dud
and then there's Rocketman and this Bohemian Rhapsody and Complete
Unknown was quite well received last year as well, Bob Dylan.
So so much to interpret here, And the million dollar
question is going to be if you've got the Jackson
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estate involved, how can they deal with the issue.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
We all know what the issue is that and Deborah.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
His death is shrouded in some mystery too, in terms
of the drugs that he was prescribed by a doctor
feel good. There are those similar questions surrounding the death
of Prince and these celebrities have access to doctors that
are willing to prescribe them whatever they want.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, I think it's going to be interesting to see
because to me, the most interesting thing about Michael Jackson
phenomenal talent, not just his singing, but his choreography, his dancing.
He transformed so many aspects of Entered Hayman and culture
and arts.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
He really did.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
But what I think Bohemian Rhapsody did so well was
it didn't shy away from the human tragedy in a way,
the darkness, the light, the comeback. I think Michael Jackson's
story really starts when he's a ten year old boy,
and he's got women screaming romantic things at him, and
he is already a product at ten years old. That's
something that I think set at the entire rest of
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his life. Would the family be willing to look at that?
How that sets someone up for really, in many ways
a tragic life in some by some standards, some we
will never know. But if you're going to make a
really powerful, meaningful movie, that to me is where we
would have to start. But I don't think the family's
going to want to look at what happens to a
ten year old boy when he is already a sex
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symbol pre puberty. I mean, it's a very odd life
that he had to live. His art's amazing, But if
you're just going to focus on the art, not on
the human story, they just make a documentary, not a biopic.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Okay, he had an abusive father, well known there. I
have a lot of sympathy for Michael Jackson that realm
and the only thing I'm going to say to counter
obviously there was Leading Neverland by that documentary that Christian
talks about outlying the alleged abuse by Michael Jackson of children.
But I've got two very prominent names here who strongly
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contend otherwise. The first Corey Feldman, who was abused in Hollywood,
and this is what he told Matt Lauer. Interesting juxtaposition
there with his fate on the Today Show of some
years ago.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
In fact, if anybody wants to go back to nineteen
ninety three, when I was interviewed by the Santa Barbara
Police Department, I sat there and I gave them the names.
They're on record, they have all of this information, but
they were scanning Michael Jackson. All they cared about was
trying to find something on Michael.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Jacks You said, by the way, did not abuse you.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Well, Michael was innocent, and that was what the interview
was about with the police in nineteen ninety three. I
told him he is not that guy, and they said, well,
maybe you just don't understand your friend.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And I said, no, I know.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
The difference between pedophiles and somebody who's not a pedophile,
because I've been molested. The names go investigate.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Powerful testimony there, and then of course Macaulay Culkin talking
about his friendship with Michael Jackson right here, and there's
no sign that there's anything the fairy is going on.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
I think that's one of the results of why we
got along, is that, like everyone's always thoroughly impressed by him,
and so the fact there was somebody who was kind
of just like treating them like a normal person, it
was kind of just like, yeah, it was that simple.
Speaker 8 (05:21):
Was that like he seems like a very like the
most generous person.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, he was generous, he was gentle. Do you still
have any gifts that he might have given you?
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Probably somewhere in the back of my house, you know,
but yeah, look, well.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Give you a birthday gift. Happy birthday, Yeah exactly. Look, yeah,
that's what I mean.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
For me, it's it's so normal and mundane, like you know,
I know it's a big deal to everyone else, but
like for me, it's again it was a normal like,
you know, it was a normal friendship.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So we have those two versions of testimony, Christian. Now
those are isolated incidents. It doesn't speak to anybody else's
story that we have encountered Michael and experienced something very different.
But the bottom line is kind of going to what
you're saying, is that once that bell has been rung,
those accusations have been made. They were so public, I mean,
the running bit for Jay Leno. I remember in his
Tonight Show monologues as well, it's difficult to unring that
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bell even if he was innocent.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, I mean, the most innocent version of the Michael
Jackson story is a kid who didn't have a childhood
right right, and wanted to relive it and wanted to
befriend these kids because they were.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
His peers in a way. That's what we call you
ever got to go through that period.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
You could also say that he wouldn't touch a McCaulay
culkin because he was rich and famous, and that he
may be aware that he had to choose victims who
were less powerful, who had less agency. You know, Listen,
when predators seek out their prey, they don't find the
people who can fight back, who talk back, who had normal,
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healthy childhoods. They seek victims, victims who have been abused before.
Again you know, but again we mean, I mean the
fact that we don't know for sure it was fifteen
years ago he passed on or so that's shocking, and
that just tells me we're never going to know.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Well, one more thing here, Deborah, for you to comment on.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I watched this is a documentary on Netflix in which
Lionel Ritchie has profiled in the making of We Are
the World, one of the biggest hits of the nineteen eighties,
and he encounters Michael Jackson for the first time. They
were rivals, kind of, They knew each other when Lionel
was fronting the Commodoores and Michael was fronting the Jackson Five.
This was the first time that he went to Michael
Jackson's house, and this kind of maybe helps explain just
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the eccentric genius of Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
He loved animals. He called me, Lionel, lying, now, I want.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You to check out bubbles of the chim.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I don't want to hold the chimp.
Speaker 9 (07:35):
I meanwhile, because a full on fight going on downstairs.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up.
What's happening in the kitchen?
Speaker 10 (07:46):
Michael, what's going on?
Speaker 9 (07:47):
He says, Ricky, the mina bird is having a fight
with a dog because the bird can talk, and the
dog is man at the bird.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Out of the corner of my.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Eye, I see some albums falling over.
Speaker 11 (08:03):
And I hear.
Speaker 10 (08:09):
That. I look over my shoulder.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
That's the biggest fricking snake. And Michael's going there. He
is Lionel.
Speaker 11 (08:22):
Oh my god, he lost the snake in the room.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
He came out when he heard a singing lionel, and
he wanted to meet you.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
He wants to say hello to you. Get out of
here quick.
Speaker 12 (08:36):
I am screaming like it's it's it's this is the end.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I saw this horror movie and it's not good for
the brother. Never your thought on the eccentricity.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Of Michael Jackson, Yeah, I think I think Christian said
it really well. He seems to be from a very
external perspective, someone who never had a childhood. And then
when you when you match that with just limitless wealth,
you can create this kind of artificial world. And I
think the fascinating story would be how much did he
become more and more disconnected with reality, allowing a doctor
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to prey upon him with the overdose and all of that.
But he had the means to create this entire fantasy world.
I mean even Neverland when you think about it's where
no one has to grow up. You can stay one
of the lost boys in Peter Pan if you were
going to do a really interesting examination one of the
greatest talents in our country for any generation, truly a
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talented individual.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
That would be the story.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Somebody who built an entire fantasy world filled with snakes
and mina birds and everything else you could think of,
and with young boys his companions. Nefarious or not, that's
the story. Let's see if that's the story that they tell.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Could be the biggest biopic of all time.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Michael coming out in twenty twenty six again Jermaine, his
brother's son, Jafar Jackson, Michael's nephew starring in the lead role.
Didictable response and this is why they just don't move
the needle anymore. Whether it was Stephen Colbert or Jimmy Kimmel,
or John Stewart or Seth Myers, all of them reacted
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with exactly the same way, using the exact same template
script and talking points. As the government shutdown came to
an end and Democrats were left holding the bag. Here's
Stephen Colbert, so yes.
Speaker 12 (10:24):
Yes, the shutdown may have been long and painful from
millions of Americans, but at least it achieved Jack squat.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
That is, and we know why Jack is squatting.
Speaker 12 (10:38):
But these Democratic defectors did get one concession. Senate majority
leader John Soon promise them a vote on the ACA
in December, because that's when people get down to serious work. December,
you work about six days.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Half of that is spent.
Speaker 12 (10:59):
Doing the mandatory off the store decorating contests. Welcome to
accounting or should I say.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
The Polar Express. Now you got caught chuckle lot. You
know never you picked that one because you said it
was the only one that was funny.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Yeah, it's the only one that's actually humorous.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Because he doesn't use as an excuse to just turn
on Skew or somebody else in an unrelated manner. He
at least acknowledged although it should have been really dwelt
upon a little bit longer that Americans suffered under this shutdown.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
But he actually just went for humor. I mean, it
is kind of funny.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
It achieved what squat and then it's gonna be solved
in December. He played upon things without turning it into
some kind of Trump bashing or later we hear they
got it turned selling to Sydney Sweeney that had absolutely
nothing to do with anything.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
It was funny without pointed vitriol.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Used as an opportunity to push some kind of bitter narrative.
I mean, it still was not balanced but LASTI just
actually went for some humor there.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Congratulations of Nevor finding the needle in the comedy.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Haste only one, by the way, disclaimer and you.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Both picked this one from Jimmy Kimmel as he just
continues to shout out the propaganda this is cringe worthy.
Will get Christian's response on the other side from Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 13 (12:12):
Here in the present, we are on day forty one
of the Trump government shut down.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Democrats refuse to.
Speaker 13 (12:17):
Sign on to a bill that would force millions of
Americans off their healthcare and make it much more expensive
for those who can afford healthcare. So Democrats drew a
line in the sand.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
They said, we are not going over this.
Speaker 13 (12:29):
And today, after forty one days, they pulled out a
shovel and a bucket and they ate all that sand.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And got nothing for it.
Speaker 14 (12:37):
Isn't that great?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
You know what they got?
Speaker 13 (12:39):
They got a promise from Republicans in the Senate to
hold a vote on healthcare.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Sometime in the future.
Speaker 13 (12:45):
And if there's one thing we know about Trump and
his merry band of sick offants, it's that their word.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Is as good as gold.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
This is just so different from the political humor that
a lot of late night comics would use in the past,
whether it was Johnny Carson or Jaylen or even David Letterman,
and that you know what side he's on. He has
chosen that jersey and it just it just falls flat.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It's not funny.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
It's not funny, and you know, and you just know
the angle right away. And there's much less attempts at
humor there than with Colbert. Colbert had a couple of
decent cracks, but listen the way he stars it with
the Trump shut down. The Trump shut down, I think
there was a fourteen or fifteen times they tried to
get the govern open again and they slammed the door shut.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That was the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
And by the way, one thing you will not hear
from Stuart or Colbert or any of these people is
people were literally suffering because of this. People weren't getting
their checks, the snap benefits were suspended. That's a problem.
And all these healthcare woes and the prices going up.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You did that.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
The Democrats did that, and maybe have a snark or
two to say, yeah, we made a lousy system and
now it's falling apart and we're trying to piece meal
it back together. But this is a problem. It's just
wildly dishonest and nakedly partisan. And it's funny because this
is Jimmy Kimmel just went out and said that all
her Trump friendly friends and family members, they're just suffering
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from disinformation. Well, look inside her house, that's where it's
coming from.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Deborah.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Yeah, absolutely agreed.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I mean, first of all, when you think about how
many Americans actually get their news from shows like this,
and so when he just blatantly says something without any
intellectual integrity whatsoever, calling it the Trump shut down, it's
just low.
Speaker 10 (14:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
The only thing that this had that resembled comedy was
the timing of the delivery. Everything within it was bitter,
was wrong, was hateful. Turns it merely to the Trump
sick events. And I'm listening to the audience laughing. And
there's been studies done about comedy and if you just
get a certain time, people are like, oh, I'm supposed
to laugh now correct whether they thought.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
It was funny or not.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
But there's nothing else that resembled comedy, and this entire
thing it's bitter, it's ugly, it's sad, and it is
just morally kind of ethically depraved because he's just lying
in his information once again.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
By the way, once again just lying about it.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Turning to John Stewart, A lot of people hold him
in higher regard. But this is where, as Debra pointed out,
Sidney Sweeney is dragged in and dragged for her movie
box office flop. I don't know that she's ever expressed
a political opinion. It's just conservatives happened to stick up
for with her jeans ad and she gets dragged into
the mix.
Speaker 14 (15:23):
I can't believe that.
Speaker 12 (15:28):
You had the wind out your back election victories all
over the country.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Whew, Sidney Sweeney movie box office popkus.
Speaker 12 (15:40):
Apparently her new MAGA fan base didn't show up in
droves to see a biopic about a lesbian professional boxer
who overcomes domestic violence deliver truth.
Speaker 14 (15:50):
Who could have.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Seen that, Deborah, You had picked that one, and he
manages to pull in all of us MAGA Republicans, Trump supporters.
It's on us that her movie failed and we didn't
support her.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
This is nonsense in so many ways. Just listen to
its tone.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
By the way, he actually sounds like a crazy person,
and I know that's his delivery, But you're seeing thinking,
oh my gosh, I need to call somebody to have
this guy put away his delivery. He's trying so hard
to go to an extreme. And then how ironic that
he criticizes Sidney Sweeney for doing.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
A brave role. I don't know if it was a
good movie.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I didn't see it, but she actually did it, which
should be applauded if this is the viewpoint he has
of identity politics and showing those kind of characters. The
same week, by the way, that Sidney Sweeney showed such
maturity refusing to get into it with a GQ reporter
when the Duke reporter baited her and bade her, and
finally she just said, you know, if I have something
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to say, people will know.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, that's all she said. She's just out.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
There doing her craft. And when I'm seeing here someone
who doesn't even know what his craft is anymore, because
there's nothing about this that is comedic.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
And Toto, what Deber just described has turned into a
mean time plit.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
That interview that Sidney Sweeney did. Yeah, listen, his.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Whole approach now is just screaming and yelling and cursing.
And he's done a lot of that in the past,
but now it's getting worse because some of the listen
I would I guess if I'm a Democrat, I'd be
doing that too, you know, But dragging the Sidney Sweeney
thing is really it's a big deal to me, and listen,
it's pop culture. You could say it's nonsense, but look
at how it's being framed.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
First of all.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Second of all, she's making a movie that a lesbian
boxer who suffered to extreme domestic violence. That's a noble
thing to bring to the screen and to share that
story and to share the resilience. But he's going to
poop all over it because it might be right adjacent.
That's where his values are, meaning he doesn't have any Well,
that was.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
The late night response to the government shut down ending,
and of course they quickly changed the subject to the
Epstein Files. That was again right is reign predictable? Just boring?
That's what has become. What is not boring? Our Friday Fool.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Of the Week nominee.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
He's always a challenge for our two panelists. Will give
them that challenge and you as well. When we come
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Speaker 11 (19:43):
Tikes in what you know, like someone as horrendeously ugly
as Miranda Divine physically and in terms of her h
in terms of radics.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
It does.
Speaker 11 (19:58):
I mean she is the know and and and that
goes for you know. You know, I'm in Daily Mail
and you know, but I mean they're horse. I mean
they're horse for money. And you know she does it
because she makes money. And you know, when when she
goes to sleep at night, I'm sure she sleeps just fine.
(20:20):
But you know, I don't know anybody that's going to
be mourning her when she's gone. I think this person,
I mean, the sheer hipocrisy. There's so many things to
unpack here.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
With Hunter Biden back here on the right side of
Hollywood Fool the Week nominee Hunter Biden now this one
so many layers and levels for me, because I know
Miranda Divine personally, She's been on the show many times.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
She's a wonderful human being.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
She is so sweet, so kind, and a great journalist,
a great writer.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
So it falls flat on all levels.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
It's an ad hominem attack here, attacking her appearance, calling
her a whore for money.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I mean, hello, buddy, caught me cattle? Are you kidding
me with?
Speaker 8 (20:59):
That's a guy who horned in on, hooked up with
his brother's widow, got her hooked on crack cocaine, dumped her,
knocked up a stripper.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I mean, shall we go on?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
This is the moral arbiter of ethics in journalism. So
I texted Miranda Devine. I invited her to come on,
and she replied with the following, Hi, Ryan, I'll be
on a plane tonight to Palm Beach. But I don't
really want to give the crackhead any more attention.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Good job, way to go, dev I.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Got to go to you first as a woman here,
I mean, the first place that he goes to is
attacking her looks and saying that she's horrendously ugly.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I don't even know where to start.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I just put it this way. You know, project much.
I mean everything here is projection.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
I mean about and the very fact that Hunter Biden
would anyways speak as though he understands.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
What ethics are. But I would say to Miranda, good
on you.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I mean, honestly, if someone with that morally depraved character
is attacking you, you must be doing something really, really well.
So you know, I agree that I think as great
what you did. Don't give it any more air, don't
give it anymore because you know it's just I don't know.
I'm almost speechless, but there we go. I wish he
was speechless. Actually, I wish you would just stop talking about.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
These big total Isn't this the ultimate endorsement of all
the work that she's done on the Hunter Biden laptop story,
the two books that she's written.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, where did she go wrong? What facts were wrong
in that story? And her reputation? Maybe you should be
in theory more upset that they try to cancel it
and try to censor it. Just not obviously it affects him,
But you don't want news to be censored. Hunter Biden's
very existence as a pop culture figure and a consequential
member of the you know the Beltway bunch. It just
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shows you the hypocrisy on the left because here's a
guy who has been treating women extraordinarily badly, who has
done so many bad things on his life, and also
texted multiple times.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
The N word. That was in the New York Person,
The New York.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Post had that, and it was almost completely ignored, roughly
the same time that they were trying to get Morgan
Wallen thrown out of show business because he used the
word once in a private situation and not with someone
of color. So the hypocrisy is I mean, he is
a poster child and he can't even see it, but
the culture can't either.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah, and I just want to I want to think
you make a great point because we were talking during
the break. There are certain people their only actual principle
is are you on my side or not? So they
don't criticize him for all of his behavior, give him
a microphone him using the N word, which would cancel
anyone that was even moderate shows. There's really only one
principle that too many people have. Are you on my
(23:37):
side or the other side, whatever that means.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
But all we have to do, Deborah, it's such a
good point is comparing contrast that to our reaction the
three of us and so many on the right to
Tucker Carlson platforming Nick flintest Immediately, we repudiate that that
he didn't push back on front taste and his adoration
for Stalin for Hitler. His racist, misogynistic commentary has no
place on our side of the fence, and we call
(24:00):
it out.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
But Hunter Biden could be the most depraved, degenerate individual.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And because like you said, Deborah, he's on the correct
side for the left, they leave him alone.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
You're either based on principle or you're not, no matter
which side of the isle it's coming from.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Well, I know it sounds like it's a slam dunk,
and that might be an all timer, Hunter Biden. We
gotta give you some competition. And this is a two parter.
I couldn't narrow it down to just one. Michelle Obama
is a thing still politically in the sphere. Perhaps she
wants to matter. Is it pop culture? Is it her
wanting the attention, the narcissism off the charts that goes
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without saying, but just also the tone deafness of this comment.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Think who is she speaking to? With this. Is this
going to play in Peoria?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Is this going to appeal to people in flyover country
in Appalachia, in rural Ruspelled, Ohio?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
What is the point of this? I didn't really have
that choices.
Speaker 15 (24:53):
Firstly, yeah, every day, every time I was up, as
we called it, you know, I was.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Up for the public.
Speaker 16 (25:00):
Yes, and the days were long, so as you mentioned,
to save time, yes, you know, I know, having a
glam team, a trifecta, it feels like a luxury, but
it was a time time, this necessity. There's absolutely no
way that I would be able to do my hair
and make up and have clothes ready that fit, you know,
(25:24):
because where is the woman that can live off the rack?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yes, but I got to add to this. I'm gonna
have Deverra respond first.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
But she seems to be really obsessed with two things,
one her hair and then two how other people react
to her hair. So she said in another clip that
I don't have time for that. She understood the symbolism
of her wearing braids as first lady, and she wasn't
sure the country was ready for that. And then not
only did she lean in, she dove in head first
(25:55):
and went right to the race card here and this
is even more off the charts.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Then, let me explain something to white people.
Speaker 15 (26:03):
Our hair comes out of our head naturally in a
curly pattern. So when we're straightening it to follow your
beauty standards, we are trapped by the straightness. That's why
so many of us can't swim and we run away
from the water. People won't go to the gym because
(26:24):
we're trying to keep our hair straight. For y'all, it
is exhausting, and it's so expensive and it takes up
so much time. It Braids are for y'all, so we
can work harder and focus on the work. So why
do we need an act, an act of law to
(26:45):
tell white folks to get out our hair. Don't don't
tell me how to wear my hair, and don't wonder
about it, don't touch it.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Just don't hope and change right bringing the country together?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Were not Red states or blued states, just the United States.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Her husbands, you.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Know what's happening in our culture right now is people
are actually saying everything that they think.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
And.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Some of them just shouldn't. I mean, she.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Thinks that every white person talk about racist either wants
to tell her how to actually cares about her hair,
don't care that she has to live to our students.
I mean, that is bizarre. That is absolute bizarre. And
when she says things that's just one side. That's the
racist side. Now talk about the absolute elitist statement.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
Rare is the woman who wears clothes.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Off the rap.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
That is ninety nine percent of our culture, if they
could even pay their bills and get new wardrobe items.
Speaking with this woman is so detached from reality.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
I didn't think i'd get more upset at it than
I would about a hunter bid. No, but you just
look at this and I'm like, wow, in some ways,
keep talking. The other thing I want to say is
the woman who is interviewing Michelle Obama that first clip,
the kind of insidious just I don't know, slavic flattery everything.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
She's like, oh yes, oh yeah, you know, I don't know, wish.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I'm more put up by the audiences listening, the people
that put these people on the you know, the in
front of a mike and just you know, just go
along with them, or the statement itself. I gotta tell you,
Michelle Obama is showing us what she really thinks and instead,
by the way, one last thing I got to say,
looking at being First Lady of the United States of
America is one of the greatest honors of your life,
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one of the greatest opportunities to serve all of those
Americans who made her her life so hard. If you
can't see that as an honor, you do not deserve
to be in the People's House.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Christy. Sorry, Michelle Obama, she's so bad.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I'm fifty seven and I'm white, and I've never given
a nanosecond thought with black women's hairt or and different.
It's just I don't care. I don't want more importantly,
you know, I think it's been conventional wisdom, and I
believed it for a long time that Michelle Obama could
just enter any race and just crush it, that her
that her political future was limitless, that she had intelligence
(29:18):
and beauty, and she had power, and she had cultural sway,
and she never did. And I always thought that she
never did because she just doesn't want that life. It's
sheer to live the way she does. Now, sure that
may be true. Maybe deep down she realizes that she's
not really good at this, at being relatable, having the
common toucholic knows. I mean, I would actually give her
credit for that. I'm saying, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's not me. I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
My husband could do it.
Speaker 10 (29:42):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well, another person not very self aware.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I was watching Gutfeld last night and Kat timp commented
on Kamala Harris and the great take that she had
about this was she's going into her analysis of this
strategy and really bragging about it.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
She lost.
Speaker 14 (30:00):
I was aware of my opponent's strategies and I wasn't about.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
To fall prey or fall into those traps.
Speaker 14 (30:10):
And part of his strategy and those around him was
to try and take me off.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Our gang and message.
Speaker 14 (30:22):
And I wasn't about to be distracted by those little,
those planes that he was trying to throw to get
me away from one of my highest priority, which was
talking to people about the economy and their well being
in terms of their financial well being.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
And that's so I was.
Speaker 14 (30:40):
I understood the game that was being played, and I
made a decision that I wasn't going to get played.
And three dimensional chests.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I'm telling you, it was three dimensional chests to lose
all seven states and an electoral college landslide defeat.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Christians. What is with that laugh?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I know we talked about it endlessly, but the placement
of it is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's a tell, it's a tell. It's really weird. And
I don't think she's.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Ever told a successful joke. And you know, usually if
you tell a joke, you don't laugh at your own jokes.
That's kind of a weird thing too. What is she
laughing about is just the most foolish person. And again
the fact that you know, Saturday Night Live, late night
TV doesn't go near her cornucopia of greatness.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
There's so much to dig into. My gosh, they won't
go near her.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
No.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Yeah, I just I'm still stunned that Kamala Harris is
talking about three dimensional chests and the only thing she
could say about is that she lost completely. I mean,
she was being playing on one level, and maybe she
was actually playing checkers. She's actually in this moment bragging
about her brilliant strategy and a lack of introspection to go.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
I mean, hey, I've run for office. Good on you
for getting out there.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I after not winning, looked at everything I would have
done differently.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
I had a little.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Introspection, went wow, I could have done that differently or whatever.
But at the end of the day, I lost and
the ability to say that, goodness.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I'm so glad you brought that up.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
It would be like in the fourth congressional race, you
would have come on my show, didn't I run fantastic?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Yeah, you know what, My fourth dimensional chess strategy got
me right here where I am and not in congress.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Did some who jays take a tape parade for series,
But that was a closer world series than this election.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
They can hold their heads high. All right, that's what
you have to consider. Five.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I know your vote Friday Fool the Week, Hunter Biden,
Michelle Obama, Kamala Harris. Wrap it all up with the
votes of Deborah and Christian. We come back on the
right side of Hollywood.
Speaker 9 (32:56):
I fully welcome voters into our coalition. And I know
that sounds crazy to some people, but just hear me out.
I cannot tell you.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
It just happened to me, like two weeks ago.
Speaker 9 (33:13):
I can't tell you how many times someone has pulled
me aside and said either I was once a big
Trump voter and a Trump supporter, and I watched Fox
News every day. But then I started to kind of
expand my world and where I got information, and now
(33:34):
I've learned, and now I've changed, and I'm with you
and I learned from you. Or people who meet me
who are who are really big Republicans now, and they
are shocked when they meet me because they're like, you
are nothing like I was told you are. And you
start to see the bogs turning.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I that never happened for one.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
About this though, Guys, she didn't make the cut for
our top three nominees Friday Fool of the Week AOC.
But now we get down to the vote, You've had
time to think about it. During the break, Toto, I'll
turn our lonely eyes to you first. Is it Hunter Biden?
Is it Michelle Obama? Or is it Kamala Harrison?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Why? You know, I waffle here.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I go from the fool who's just foolish to the
fool who's incredibly cruel and mean. So if I want
to go to the mean direction, I go with Hunter Biden.
But I've got to go with Michelle Obama. She is
just foolish in such a Gargangean way. And you know, again,
these are people who are not twenties and thirty somethings.
They've lived a life, they've they've experienced it that we've
(34:39):
never experienced. And you think that would be maybe a
b doll up of wisdom would come along with that.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Apparently not so total. Michelle Obama his vote double.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Floor, Well, I'm going to have it's gonna be two
for Michelle.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
My situation is, you know, Hunter Bien, I expect that
of him and Michelle Obama. I suspected that she thought
these things, but she said them out loud, and she
is so condescending. She is so condescending to the American
people who elected her husband and allowed her to be
First Lady of the United States of America, and she
(35:12):
is condescending to every single person with less melotonin in
their skin and is saying what she really thinks of
the people that put them in the White House.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
That's just wrong.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
It's what I told Dan Kaplis, who has been, to
the much of the chagrin of our listeners, very positive
in his analysis, and he's trying to be objective. I
get it about what Michelle Obama's potential political acumen could be.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I said, she's terrible.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Kind of what you were saying, Toto, that the more
the American people saw her and heard her, the less
they would like her.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
She was idealized.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
She was on magazine covers as first Lady, but everything
she's said and done since has been cringe worthy. It
makes you WinCE. It does not relate to the common
folk in America. She would lose, and she would lose bigly.
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