Sports On Deck - What will Jordan Love get?

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You were listening to Sports on Deckwith Dave Gasper. Welcome to Sports on
Deck with Dave Gasper here on thirteenten WIBA, I am Dave Gasper.
Lots to get to on the showtoday. Lots of things happening in the
world of sports. I got theStanley Cup Final and the NBA Finals wrapping
up. You got baseball season,lots of stuff going on with Milwaukee Brewers

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as always. But first here onthe show, we got to actually talk
some football because some big news,some big, kind of landmark news,
happened this week in professional football.Trevor Lawrence and the Jacksonville Jaguars agreed to
a five year, two hundred andseventy five million dollar contract extension, massive

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amount of money for Trevor Lawrence andthe quarterback Domino's continue to fall now over
here. You know, we don'tcare necessarily that much about Jacksonville, But
as everyone who follows the Packers evenloosely kind of knows, Jordan Love is
the starting quarterback and his contract isdue for an extension. He signed kind

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of a one year bet on himselfextension last year. He is eligible to
sign a new long term contract andnow that Love has proven he is capable
of being the starting quarterback. Heis in line for a massive deal.
So all these dominoes falling Jared Goffand now Trevor Lawrence, that's just going

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to continue to set the market forJordan Love. His agents are sitting back
looking at that deal saying okay,okay, I see you, Trevor Lawrence.
Because he's getting paid that much,Jordan Love is now going to be
deserving of this, much deserving ofthis, much more whatever than the Packers
were offering. Now, both sidesstill feel really good about their ability to
get a deal done. Both sideswant to get the deal done. So

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this doesn't necessarily change the chances ofJordan Love getting a contract extension from the
Packers, but it may change whatkind of money he does end up actually
getting. So let's take a lookat the deal for Trevor Lawrence. Five
years, two hundred and seventy fivemillion, two hundred million of it is
guaranteed, and one hundred and fortytwo million at signing. That's a lot

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of that's a lot of money guaranteedat signing, thirty seven and a half
million dollars signing bonus. The dealstarts in twenty twenty six. He will
be under contract through twenty thirty,so he is tie early fifty five million
dollars a year. He is tiedwith Joe Burrow for the highest in the
NFL among quarterbacks, which is Imean, it's it's for everybody, but

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quarterbacks are the only ones who aregetting paid this kind of money. And
Lawrence is now the sixth quarterback tohave surpassed fifty million dollars in annual salary.
Jared Goff just got there. JustinHerbert is there, Lamar Jackson and
Jalen Hurts is also there, alongwith Burrow and now Lawrence. So that's

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that's quite the group. Patrick Mahomesisn't even there. You know, he's
had forty six something million, sohe'll he'll get there with his new deal
once that happens. So I'm notworried about Mahomes getting paid here, but
Jordan Love, it's probably gonna costyou fifty million a year just the way

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this is trending. I mean,Trevor Lawrence, yes, he was a
number one overall pick, but whatis he done in his career? I
mean, that's really kind of thequestion here. What has Trevor Lawrence really
truly done in his career? They'releading the Jacksonville Jaguars now. Granted,
his first year he didn't do verywell. That's because he kind of had

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the whole urban Meyer situation. Thingswere not going well in Jacksonville that first
year because urban Meyer didn't know whathe was doing, and then he was
just kind of cut hanging out atcertain clubs that maybe he shouldn't have.
But still really being fourteen records firstyear, nine eight in twenty twenty two,

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and eight and eight last year.I mean, he's had one season
above five hundred in his three years. And yeah, I mean, granted,
he has been getting much better,you know, as things have gone
along and he has improved. He'sreceived some MVP votes, some Comeback Player
of the Year votes, things likethat. So, you know, Trevor

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Lawrence, it certainly deserved for himto get a contract extension, but to
be tied for the top paid playerin the NFL, that's it's a little
much. I know, you needa quarterback and and I know Lawrence is
good, but I mean this isnot a dude who has had a ton
of playoff success, you know,and again, Jordan Love. He hasn't

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had a ton of playoff success either. He's had one season as a starter,
So how can you really judge whathe's doing or how good he's going
to be. So I still don'tthink Love is going to be getting fifty
five million a year. But ishe getting fifty million a year? Probably?
Probably? If Lawrence can get fiftyfive, Love should at least be

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able to get fifty. But andhere's the thing too, Love isn't the
next guy in line for an extension. There are other guys there as well,
Dak Prescott and to a Tech ofIloa. They are also in line
for extensions this offseason. So everyone'sjust kind of waiting on certain dominoes to
fall, And I think Jordan Lovehe's waiting on, you know, a

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couple more to fall to kind ofreally set that market, see where he
can get paid and how much hecan get and then go from there.
What would you be willing to payJordan Love? What would you be willing
to give him? If you werethe Packers, if you were Brian Gudikunst,
if you were russ Ball, whatwould you be willing to pay this

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guy? That's really kind of thequestion that has to be asked here,
what are you willing to pay?Because you know it's going to take a
lot, but you need a startingquarterback in this league. And they have
invested so much in Jordan Love already, just in terms of the draft and

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the development of him and what he'sdone this past year. You know he's
your guy going forward. You knowit's going to take a massive extension to
keep him. And again, bothsides want to get this done, so
I'm not worried at all that thisis going to get done. What do
you think it's going to take fiftymillion, fifty one, fifty two.

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I don't know if you can getto fifty five million. I don't know
if you can put him up therewith Lawrence and Burrow. Maybe it can.
His agents are sure gonna try.But look, the salary cap is
increasing. Inflation's going up. Weall know that one at least we all

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know all the inflation's going up,So prices of everything's going up, including
the prices of quarterbacks. Not longago, it was unfathomable to think of
a quarterback demanding fifty five million dollarsa year as part of a salary cap
and trying to field a competitive team. I mean, it wasn't long ago

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that thirty million a year was absurdfor him, and now we're just easily
pushing near sixty. We're nearly doublingthat in what ten years. It's insane.
It's insane how this has happened.But the explosion of revenue, the
explosion of the salary camp, theexplosion of inflation, that's just how the
market is right now. For quarterbacks, you have your starter. Having a

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starting quarterback is the most important thingfor any football team. If you don't
have an answer at quarterback, ifyou don't have a solution at quarterback,
you are screwed. You're screwed.Look at the Bears. For years,
the Chicago Bears have not had aset answer at quarterback. They've tried to

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pick some answers and they've mostly beenbad. And they never go anywhere.
They haven't gone anywhere in years.The Lions four years had issues with it.
The Browns, the Cleveland Browns,oh my god, they ran through
quarterbacks like nobody's business. They finallyfound an answer. They paid them a

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whole bunch of money. I'm notsure it's entirely going all that well,
but still they found Deshaun Watson paidhim a whole bunch of money. Completely
upset the quarterback market when they didthat, and that's what a lot of
this comes back to as well.I mean, Deshaun Watson's contract from a
couple of years ago that the ClevelandBrowns gave him. I mean, that
was a deal that really just completelyup ended the market because this was a

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guy who had missed time with suspensionand you know, for some very very
bad things, and then he getsa five year, two hundred and thirty
million dollars, fully guaranteed contract.It's like, what what are we doing?
But now everyone has to top thatbecause a lot of guys are a

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lot better than Deshaun Watson and don'thave a year long suspension on their record
and don't have questions about integrity ontheir record. But this guy was able
to get a fully guaranteed deal attwo hundred and thirty million dollars, so
now everyone else has to beat it. Pretty much. That's what Jared Goff

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did, That's what Trevor Lawrence did, and soon that's what Jordan Love is
going to do. Now we've seensome quotes and we've heard from from Love
and all the Packers there at Minicamp as some of the offseason stuff has
been going on for the Packers,and they anticipate a deal getting done before
training camp begins. Brian Goodikuntz,he came on ninety seven through the game

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and he was talking with the guysand he was expecting a deal done before
training camp. So a deal isgoing to happen. I think they're waiting
to see some of these dominoes tofall, such as Trevor Lawrence, and
that can kind of set the marketa little bit more. It's like,
Okay, now you're gonna have tobump up a little bit more. If
we're getting you know, just maybeten percent less than then Trevor Lawrence because

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you know we've played, you knowwhatever fewer games. Then Okay, now
that he set his money, nowwe're going to be around this range or
whatever it is. I'm not exactlysure how the negotiations go. I'm not
exactly sure where they're at money wise, how big the how big the bridge
is for them to cross. Butstill you have a general idea of what

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it's going to cost to sign JordanLove to this extension. Both sides want
to get it done. I thinkat this point it's just a matter of
seeing the dominoes fall and letting themarket be set. I think Jordan Love
is is comfortable waiting until that point, waiting until training camp. We're not
going to see Jordan Love in agame until until we get a contract.

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I think that much is clear.But still we're going to be heading into
You know, you got about amonth here until until training camp, and
you got another domino that just fellthis week with Trevor Lawrence. Maybe this
is the domino that finally can pushthe Packers like, Okay, now we've

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got this set. Jordan Love canbe like, okay, we've seen that
domino fall that sets our price.Here Packers meet it and then they signed
the deal and everyone's everyone's happy.Maybe that's him. Maybe they need to
see Tua sign his contract. Maybethey want to see Prescott sign his contract
and then they'll sign. Maybe weshall see. But the good news is

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the prevailing sentiment is that a dealwill get done before the preseason even begins.
So that is going to happen.It's just a matter of how much
he's going to get paid, whatthe deal is going to look like.
But I think at this point you'relooking at potentially fifty million dollars a season
for Jordan Love. That's the costof a starting quarterback nowadays, it just

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is you can't find a quality startingquarterback for much less unless you're going back
on rookie deals. But those rookiequarterbacks, you never know what you're gonna
get. They've spent the years developingLove for him to be this guy.
They used all those years when hewas on a cheap rookie deal for him
to be the backup behind Aaron Rodgerswho's on an expensive deal. And now

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as you're managing your cap situation losingsome of the veterans going younger, you've
got the room with all those otherguys on rookie contracts to spend big on
your quarterback in Jordan Love, andit is going to be a ton a
ton of money coming up. TheBrewers' injury situation continues to get worse.

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We'll dive further into that and whatmay end up happening with that rotation coming
up. You're listening to Sports onDeck with Dave Gasper here on thirteen to
ten, Wiba all right, welcomeback to Sports on Deck with Dave Gasper

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here in thirteen to ten WIVA,the Brewers are still standing somehow atop the
division despite all of the injuries thathave hit them this season, especially to
the starting rotation. Six starters areon the injured list. Six you got
a full rotation's worth, and thensome that are injured. Two of them

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are out for the year, andBrandon Woodruff and Wade Miley and potentially a
third. Robert Gasser is thought tobe out for the year with his elbow
injuries. He's got a flexer strainand the second opinion that he received from

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doctor Latrosh in Los Angeles was thatthe UCL in his elbow was not ruptured,
but not as strong as it shouldbe. So Gasser decided to seek
a third opinion. You know,it's never good when they go to seek
a third opinion. You know,a second opinion is bad enough, It's

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like, oh no, that doesn'tsound good. A third opinion is like,
oh man, they can't even agreeon that, so now I need
to find a third one. Thegood news in all of this is that
the UCL is not ruptured. Sothe first opinion was that it wasn't ruptured.
The second opinion is that it's notruptured, but it's weaker than it

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should be. And now we'll seewhat the third opinion says on Gasser.
But Pat Murphy is expecting him tobe out for the year because here's the
thing. When that UCL is notas strong as it should be, quote
unquote, and you're in the middleof the season, that tells me if

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you put him out there and havehim pitch on it, no, that
thing's gonna rupture. It is aticking time bomb, is what it sounds
like to me. Now I'm nodoctor, so that's not a professional medical
opinion for me, but I havecommon sense, Like, let's use our
common sense here. If it's notas strong as it should be, it's

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not ruptured yet, but it's clearlyweakened. That just tells me the more
you keep pitching on it, it'sonly a matter of time until that thing
goes because it's just getting weaker andweaker and weaker, and you're not giving
it the rest it needs to getstronger because pitching it makes the UCL weaker.

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It's not a natural motion, andit's not going to make the UCL
stronger. By pitching it and tryingto throw curveballs. It's not going to
work. So what the plan is, it sounds like, is for him
to do some rehab. Doesn't needto undergo surgery at all yet, but
a lengthy rehab process to strengthen thatUCL so that he can pitch on it

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without fear of it rupturing. Eitherway, it's a bad place to be
in. It's a place you don'twant to be. He's going to be
out for some time. Pat Murphy'sexpecting the rest of the season. It's
a tough blow, it really is, especially after what Gaser had done since

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he had come up. It's like, Okay, maybe this rotation can finally
be stabilized. They wanted room forGasser this year, like they kind of
left stuff open in that rotation forhim. They only went after guys like
Joe Ross and Colin Ray in therotation this offseason. They only went after

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guys like that because they knew theyhad a guy like Robert Gasser down to
the miners who they were going tocall upon that they didn't want to have
blocked. So that's why they gotthose guys. That's why they got these
career journeymen who they knew they'd probablyget hurt at some point and you could
call upon the kids. Wade Miley, also in that same kind of boat.

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Veteran leader, can give you someinnings. He's probably gonna deal with
a couple of injuries. Now,you didn't know Miley was gonna end up
having to deal with Tommy John surgery. But still you generally knew you were
going to have opportunities for these youngguys to come up, Robert Gasser and
dal Hall among them. Dl Hallhas missed the last two months. Robert

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Gasser is probably going to miss therest of the season now, So now
all your plans just get blown up. Man, Arnold's gotta be sitting there
just be like, oh my god, now what do I do? What
do I have left? Clearly thebest laid plans have not gone super well
here in the rotation. Now.Granted, the Birds are still in first

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place, and they still have apretty comfortable lead in first place, so
things aren't that bad. But youare at the edge of your pitching depth,
man, you are at the completeedge of it. You got Carlos
Rodriguez getting called up now, hemade his debut back on Tuesday against the
Blue Jays. That was great.See didn't go super long into the game,
but overall a good start, goodfirst outing. But man, who

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do you have after that? Ifanother injury happens here? I mean,
you've got par Alton there, You'vegot Ray Wilson, Tobias Myers, and
Carlos Rodriguez filling out that rotation.You have Junas potentially coming back soon.
He's on rehab assignments till but hehad to be set back a little bit

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because his velocity in his last outingwasn't up to par, so they wanted
to take him off, send himdown to Arizona to do a couple of
simulated endings there. So who knowswhen he's coming back. And the original
plan for him to come back wassupposed to be in the bullpen. D
L. Hall, who's been slowlyworking his way back from the knee injury.

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Well, he makes a rehab appearancedown there in Nashville. Two thirds
of an inning goes twenty five pitches, that's it. And even in his
previous rehab appearances before he had hisown setback, he was only going one
ending each. So is deal Hullgoing to be built back up to be

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a starter or is he going tothe bullpen. I don't think Hall and
Junis are going to be your saviorshere for the rotation. If something else
happens to one of the current fiveguys, I don't think they're your saviors
when Joe Ross comes back. Imean Joe Ross was a four something era

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before he got hurt. Yes,it could give you some innings, but
is he going to be a saviorfor your rotation now? He was a
placeholder to begin with. Junie wasessentially a placeholder. D L. Hull
was supposed to be the future.He struggled in his first few outings before

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getting hurt. So can you relyon him? Who can you rely on?
Who's next? What do you have? You don't have Woodrof coming back.
You don't have Miley coming back,you don't have gas Are coming back.
The guys are gonna have coming backare Ross, Hall, and Junie.

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None of those three are particularly reliabletheir warm bodies, Yes, are
they liable? Not really. Hullhas the highest ceiling of the group,
but man, he was just strugglingto put it together before and with how
slow they're taking his rehab assignment howthey're not really kind of, you know,

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building him up to even go twoinnings in his outings. I mean
they were considering a bullpen spot forhim before he got hurt. That's how
bad he was doing in the rotation. So I don't think he's going to
help you much. And that's wherethe question now becomes a question Matt Arnold
has to ask himself, is howsoon do you make a move? How

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quickly do you have to jump intothe trade market and get somebody because that
day may be coming very very soon. If you lose another guy, you
need to get somebody because the guysyou have in your system now you don't

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really have anyone else to call upon. The last guy you've got left down
there really is Aaron Ashby at thispoint that you could call upon. And
Ashby he did solid in his startagainst Philadelphia, but the command is not
there yet. He walked away toomany guys. He's still walking too many
guys down in Tripaa. The commandisn't there for Ashby. The stuff is

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certainly getting there, the command isn'tAnd you can't have those kinds of walk
problems as a starter in the bigleagues, especially with how important each and
every single game is. So ifyou're Matt Arnold and you're sitting there going
hm, how much longer can Ihold out without making a move? At

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what point do you have to makea trade? At what point do you
have to bring somebody in? Ithink that point's coming soon. I think
if there was a year to dothis, there was ever a time to
go all out with the trades.I think this is a year. I

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think this is the team to investin. This is the year to do
it. This is a year togo out and get the top guy out
there. Now, we've talked alittle bit on this show in previous weeks
about the guys out there on themarket. Last week I was talking my

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top five starting pitching targets that I'dsee the Brewers go after getting a crochet
or heyesusseil Zardo, that would beyour big time move, that would be
it. Will they do it?Will they do it early? Like they

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did with CC Sabbathia in two thousandand eight. They got him in early
July. They got him before theAll Star break. He made a coup.
He made a couple of starts beforethe All Star break, and I
do remember him also hitting a homerun before the All Star break that was
even more insane how Casey's sypathia camein and also he could rake that you

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just absolutely love to see. Butis this that kind of year where you
need to go out and get aCC Sabathia type and would this be the
front office to do it? Now, I'll dive more into the factors at
play here and what the Brewers couldbe doing and where they could be looking.
Coming up next, you're listening toSports on Deck with Dave Gasper here

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on thirteen ten WIBA. All right, welcome back to Sports on Deck with
Day of Gasper here on thirteen tenWIBA. I'm Dave Gasper. You can

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follow me on Twitter at de Gaspertwenty four. Lots of great stuff going
up on there all the time,and you can also follow reviewing at the
brew dot com. From my lateston the Milwaukee Brewers and speaking of the
Brewer's rotation, it's reaching the endsof its depth, and we've talked about
this plenty of times here on theshow, and trade season is right around

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the corner here, I mean we'reat mid June. The trade deadline is
at the end of July, soyou got about six weeks until the trade
deadline. What can happen in sixweeks? We already do have a clear
view of some of the sellers inbaseball and the types of players that are
going to be available. We've talkedabout them, Garrett Crochet, Heyesusseilzardo,

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Sean Manaia, Trevor Williams, guyslike that that you know are going to
be out there. And what shouldthe Brewers do? Obviously, the Brewers
need to get a starting pitcher,at least one, maybe two, but
you got to get at least onehere at the trade deadline. You gotta
get one bona fide can take theball every fifth day and give you some

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length starting pitcher. That's what yougotta get. So who are you going
to get, how much you're willingto pay for him? How's this all
going to shake out? When doyou get him? There's a lot of
factors at play for general manager MattArnold. What are the main factors?

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I think is going to be teamcontrol? Are you getting a rental for
just two months just to help outthis year? Are you getting a guy
who can be here for a coupleof years? It's going to determine how
much you're willing to pay. You'renot gonna be willing to pay as much
for a rental as you're willing topay for a guy with two and a
half years of control, which justso happens to be the top arms on

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the market, Garrett Crochet and hasisLozardo. They have years of control left.
They have two and a half years. You can not only get them
for this run, you can getthem in their rotation for twenty twenty five
and for twenty twenty six. That'sincredibly valuable. That's something that you'd be

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willing to give up. Prospect capitalfour, and that's something that the Brewers
have a ton of. The Brewershave prospect capital. They have one of
the best farm systems in baseball.They have a very deep farm system,
deep in hitting prospects and a lotof really good pitching prospects as well.
They may not have the pedigree,but they've got the stuff. The Burgers

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have been churning them out like crazy, those pitchers, so they have the
ability to pay whatever price for acontrol the starting pitcher. Now we've seen
in recent trade deadlines the Brewers generallydon't pay the high prices for the top

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tier guys. Right, We've seenthem go after kind of the middle of
the road types of names, MarkKanna, Carlos Santana, guys like that.
Okay, they're not the big starsbeing traded, they're not the big
stars being moved, but they getthem. They're kind of middle of the

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road. Is they pay a modestprice, and these players generally end up
outperforming those big stars that were movedover the final two months of the season.
Generally, that's how it's gone withthe players that the Brewers get.
Now, they could go that routeagain. They could get some middle of

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the road names, and they couldend up pitching just as well as a
Crochet or a Lozardo down the stretchand have similar eras or whatever it is.
They very well could. I couldabsolutely see them taking that route,
only giving up some lower level prospects, you know, none of the top
guys, and just getting solid productionfrom guys that maybe won't be here that

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long. Let the rotation reset fortwenty twenty five and see how it goes.
But I think given the uncertainty ofthis rotation, given how good this
team is outside of that and howgood they can be for years to come.

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I think it's absolutely paramount that theBrewers do end up getting one of
these top guys with team control.Now, let's look at the timing of
this too, because the timing isso important and for all this because let's
say the Brewers decide they need onenow okay, let's let let's say another
starter goes down and it's like,ah, crap, we're down another starter.
We need to get someone. Now, we need to make a move,

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and we want to get this topguy. Let's make it happen.
Now. That may involve having toslightly overpay in order to convince that team
not to wait until there's a biddingwar at the trade deadline to make a
move. Now we saw the Marlinsdo it in May, maybe they'd be

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willing to do it again for Lozardo, trade him early instead of waiting for
the bidding war and just simply getthose guys, get those prospects. Whoever
it is coming back. Maybe youcould see something similar to the Williae Domis
trade. Back in twenty twenty one, the Brewers had a desperate need at

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shortstop because the Luis Airius was notcutting it and the Tampa Bay Rays made
a trade with the Burrs to senda Domas in the middle of May,
so it's not unheard of. It'snot impossible for big time trades to happen
early. It's not even unheard ofthis year. Plus for the other team,

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although they may want a bidding warto happen when it comes to the
trade deadline where they have a wholebunch of teams in play and they can
you know, a deadline spurs action, right We've seen that in Major League
Baseball. Deadlines spur action. Butfor the other team, if they have
an offer on the table right nowthat they deem acceptable, why wait another

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six weeks to just kind of seewhat other guys are potentially offering, When
in that six weeks your guy couldget hurt Hatless. Lozardo has already spent
some time this year on the injuredlist. He could absolutely get hurt again.
Garrett Crochet has been hurt for acouple of years. He's finally healthy

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this year and pitching well. Justhad a thirteen strikeout performance the other day,
going seven innings. He's finally healthy. You're gonna risk him getting hurt
in the next six weeks, areyou going to take the best offer available
right now? So, if I'mthe White Sox, if I'm the Marlins,

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I'm looking at these guys as potentialinjury risks. You know that there
are going to be a gold minefor you in terms of prospects at the
trade deadline? Why wait six weeks? If the Brewers come calling with an
offer that's acceptable? Now, what'sacceptable? That's a question, who are

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you willing to give up? Ifyou're Mad Arnold. Now we've talked before
about you know, brock Wilkin.You know, could he be a trade
chip that gets moved. He verywell could be. But you've got a
loaded farm system, you do.And there's a bunch of guys that are
down in the lower miners that arereally good that I think the Brewers should

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hold on to. Now. Onon my podcast, on the Cold Brew
podcast that I do over at Reviewingthe Brew, I was asked, I
was asked this question about who outsideof Jacob Miserowski would you deem untouchable in
trade talks? Which prospect is untouchableoutside of Misrowski? And my answer,

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you know, I could look atTyler Black, I could look at Rock
Wolkin. I could look at Jefferson, Carrol could look at could look at
all those guys. My answer wasHeoferi Rodriguez, an eighteen year old in
low A, Carolina. That wasmy answer for my untouchable prospect. Like,
no, that is guy, I'mnot moving anywhere. I would rather

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move a Brock Wilkin than move ayo Ferry Rodriguez. I would rather move
a Jefferson Carrow than a yo FeriRodriguez. I would. And I think
if you're the Brewers, you're goingto have to give up something to get
these guys. But we've also seenthat the Brewers are willing to trade prospects.

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They're willing to trade big time guys, four stars with years of team
control. Go back to the ChristianYelis trade. They traded four top prospects
to get five years of Christian Yelich. Now, granted, none of those
prospects worked out, which was amazingfor the Brewers and absolutely horrible for the
Marlins, but they were willing totrade those guys in order to get the

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control over Christianeledge. They were willingto do that, they were willing to
pay that price. They haven't doneit too often at the trade deadline.
They're willing to trade some big timeguys in twenty eighteen to get Mike Mustakis.
They were willing to trade from thetop of their farm system before.

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And they've done a pretty good jobof determining who to get rid of and
who to keep from their prospects list. The Dodgers get a ton of credit
for this. Across baseball. Thetypes of prospects that they give up generally
flame out elsewhere the types that theykeep always end up doing well. The
Rays also have success with this.If the Rays give up on a guy,

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I'm just kind of like, hmm, maybe he's actually not that good
if they're giving up on him asa prospect, versus if they're trying to
get him or if they're trying tokeep him, It's like that guy is
going to be a stud. That'stypically how it goes for Tampa Bay.
And guess what, Matt Arnold camefrom Tampa Bay. That's where he was.

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He was an assistant GM down there. He was working in their front
office before he was hired by theBrewers. And the Brewers operate kind of
like Tampa Bay, except with justa little bit more money because they have
a little bit more attendance and alittle bit better off a ballpark. But
they operate that same kind of way, So I think they know which prospects

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are good enough that they want tokeep and which ones they're willing to part
with. They've got a pretty goodsense of it. They were willing to
pay the prospect price for CC Sabathia, and that was even a rental.
That was a big time one wayback when. And we talked about the
Sabathia trade all the time here becausewe're talking about trading for a big time
starting pitcher something like that's what iswhat it's going to take. But Sabathia

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wasn't rental. If you're trying togo after Crochet and Lozardo, I mean,
those guys have years of team control. But it seems quite clear that
the are interested in those types ofguys. They have shown a willingness in
the past to pay the prospect pricefor long term controllable stars. They're willing

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to pay it for William Contrera's Thatwas still a steal of a trade.
My goodness, as Sterio Ruiz,they didn't have to give up anything more
than that they were probably willing to, they just didn't have to. Amazing
getting five years of control over anAll Star like Contrera's for only a stereo

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Ruiz still remarkable. But you're gonnahave to pay the price this time in
order to get a starting pitcher.Everyone needs starting pitching. You want to
beat them to it, you wantto beat them to the market. You're
gonna have to pay. You wantthe top guy. You want to beat

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out everyone else for the top guy. H You are going to have to
pay a pretty big prospect price inorder to make it happen, and if
any more injuries pop up, itis going to have to be done sooner
rather than later. I could verywell see a trade happening for a starting
pitcher before we reached the All Starbreak. I could very well see it

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happening coming up. We will wrapthings up just a few more minutes.
Here you're listening to Sports on Deckwith Dave Gasper here in thirteen ten Wiba
and we all join the weekend.All right, just a little bit left

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here with you on your Saturday afternoon. So earlier this week, we saw
this kind of last week, andthen it was announced way back earlier this
week on Dan Hurley, the headcoach of Yukon being wooed by the Los
Angeles Lakers, but ultimately Dan Hurleyturned down the Lakers offer of a ridiculous

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amount of money six years, seventymillion dollars. He turned down their offer
to be their head coach in orderto stay where he has been successful and
stay at Yukon and seek a thirdstraight national title. Huh So a head
coach can turn down a big moneyoffer and not seek out a new challenge.

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Interesting, don't you think, CraigCouncil, thank you for listening.
This has been Sports on Deck withDave gasper Here on thirteen ten, Wiva