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It's Tennessee Matters on the Tennessee RadioNetwork. Welcome to Tennessee Matters. I'm
John Clark on the Tennessee Radio Network. The Tennessee Department of Disability and Aging
is the state agency responsible for administeringservices and support to Tennessee and with intellectual
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and developmental disabilities. Today we haveBrad Turner, the Commissioner of the Tennessee
Department of Disability and Aging. Well, I welcome you back to the show.
I'm so glad to have you inbecause I like talking to you.
I do be back. I've enjoyedour last experience a looking forward to doing
it again. Your department is changingas of July one, from Department of
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Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities to Tennessee Departmentof Disability and Aging. Right, it's
a big mouseful, but explain that, Yeah, got it. So we
started to the process now of soin Tennessee, just a little bit of
the background that that gives a betterunderstand about why this is important. Almost
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twenty five percent of the population isover sixty years old. By the end
of twenty thirty, you're going tosee between twenty six and twenty eight percent
of the state population being older thansixty and so the governor has been very
forward thinking in this, wanting tomake sure that we serve a demographic change.
Tennessee is one of the top statesas far as older Americans moving to
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specifically an East Tennessee Appalachia area hasseen a really high increase in older Americans
moving into that area. So asa result of that, the need became
really prevalent to say, well,how do we better serve this population that
falls in line with the discibility communityas well a lot of the same providers,
a lot of the same needs whenit comes to food insecurities and providers
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and therapies and healthcare and things likethat. So the governor approached us and
said, hey, this is whatwe're thinking about doing. We think it's
right for Tennessee, and we've gottena lot of good feedback. The legislature
was in favor of that. Theyactually voted unanimously to create the new Tennessee
Department of Disabiliting Aging a few weeksago. We had a great bill signed
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last week where Governor Buildies signed intolaw officially and we will be the new
Department's turning to alt once. Soa lot going on and excited to keep
you know, we have been gettingstarted, but really excited to be forward
on this. You're bused before,but now you're really business now. It's
all for good all for a goodcause. Looking forward to helping some folks
that you know have given a lotto our states and our communities and making
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sure that we support them when theyneed us. So the Commission will then
is absorbed and you'll absorb them andthey'll still stay here. Yeah, that's
right. That the historically it wasit was the Tennessee Commission on Aging and
Disability, So that's been around almostsixty years, done a lot of good
work in Tennessee, met a lotof needs. But this is something that
you know, as we're moving forward, it made sense to start thinking about
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what can we do bigger and betterand the Commission has done a great job
on that. We're moving the Commissioninto our department and then that new department
will be the standalone But excited toget started with a lot of folks all
across the state have been involved inthe aging community and we're going to make
sure that we support them at everyway possible. Something that you mentioned earlier
before we were talking is the todeal. Now you're working now with some
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faith based community, that's all right, talk about that situation. Yeah.
So, you know, one ofthe things that we've done, especially when
you talk about historically in the discibotedcommunity and specifically in the older in the
Older Tennessee and community, we wantto challenge nonprofits and faith based communities to
really step up and work with uson how do they support those families who
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are their neighbors, who are theirloved ones, who are their their fellow
churchgoers in creating programs that might meettheir needs. So whether it's you know,
food pantries or specifically around the ideaaround rest it. You know,
we have a symposium coming up nextweek here in Actional South affare actually in
Brookwood at Brentwood Baptist Church where we'regoing to be working with a lot of
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different churches across the state, alot of different houses of faith across the
state to talk to them about whatrespite ministries look like. And one of
the things that people I think understandbut have a hard time grasping is how
can we help when the need isso overwhelming we don't even know where to
start. So what we want todo is encourage churches and other nonprofits and
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houses the faith to really step upand give them a call to action,
to say, there are families thatneed you in the disciput of community.
There are families that need you inthe aging community, to provide rest,
but to provide meals, to provideengagement for families, to try to give
them some level of support. Sowe're rapidly accelerating our involvement in those areas.
We're really looking forward to what thatpartnership is going to look like down
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the road, because it's something thatwe've been lacking. But we want to
drive change through Tennessee and that's abig way for us to do it.
It's as great as you're involving thehouses of worship, because they they tend
to just they just flourish, Theydo great in this in this So how
are they how they they've reacted.Yeah, We've got a lot of good
feedback, and I think one ofthe things that sometimes you know, great
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is the enemy of good. Andwhat we want to encourage folks to do
is, look, if you've neverdone that, you don't want to come
out and spend a million dollars,right away or consider the program of failure.
We want you to do whatever youcan, with whatever you can to
try to serve two communities and desperatelyneed people to be engaged in their lives,
and that's disability and aging. Sosmall churches are welcome to try to
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reach out to us. Medium sizedchurches are welcome to reach out to us.
Large churches are welcome to reach outto us. We want to create
a very scalable way together to meetthe needs in the communities because churches thrive
in that space and governorly has challenges. Right could say, hey, government
needs to be involved in some things, but it's not the answer for everything.
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And this is an example of wecan do certain things in the state
by providing some grand opportunities. Wecan't create the manpower that you can out
of your churches or the volunteers thatyou have in your house of worship.
So it's really the perfect blend ofpublic and private here that will go to
meet the needs of the disability ofthe aging communities. What are some of
the disability needs that they have thatthe you know and you are you're a
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father of a disabled person and soyou know, you know, and what
are some of the disability's greatest needs. Yeah, I mean, without question,
it's the idea around rest and forthose whom fit familiar with rest,
but it's really just time away forthe parents to recharge their batteries. And
I think one of the things thatwe don't realize is in many of these
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families there are several children that arepresent, but a lot of their parents
focus and time and attention understandably goesto the child that might have disabilities.
I have a lot of therapies,have a lot of doctor appointments and really
challenging needs that the mom and dad, or the mom or just the dad
or the grandmother, grandparents, whoever'sinvolved, have to really dial into mean
dad and the other children away withmom and dad that they need. I
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think that all of us great solittle things like that that churches should help
with. You know, allow yourchurch doors to be open so families can
take their loved one to a safespace and then mom and definitely for a
night, go to a dinner,you know, on their own, or
take the kids somewhere to play topgolf, or go to us you know,
a baseball game or a concert.It just recharge their batteries, and
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we talk about that a lot atwork that an empty tank, you know,
can't win a car. Yeah,And a lot of the parents that
are in that space and caregivers whohave aging loved ones with dementia, with
Alzheimer's, with really challenging physical needs, they need time away to be able
to recharge their batteries to take careof their loved one. So it's the
perfect mix for us of what canwe do to help? But how do
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we challenge the private sector and thechurches and nonprofits to step up on what
they're calling is to work to meetthe needs of a population that's growing rapidly
in the state of Tennessee. Itreally is. It's really it's just growing.
Like Alzheimer's example, as we getolder, they fix us, but
they can't fix the brain. Andthat's unfortunate that this is happening with Alzheimer's.
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Now, how are you doing Alzheimer's. Yeah, So we've already had
multiple meetings with the Alzheimer's Association inTennessee and a lot of the organizations here
in Middle Tennessee and East Tennessee andWest Tennessee. The conversation around Alzheimer's.
The conversation around dementia, and evenone of the ones that's not as spoken
about as publicly as Alzheimer's or dementiathat we're really starting to engage is either
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a misdiagnosis or lack of diagnosis foradults on the spectrum. So when you
talk about adults that have never beenproperly diagnosed with autism, we're behind probably
thirty or forty years and making surethat adults who have autism or on the
spectrum with another diagnosis have the adequateservices that they need, the right representation,
understanding what the diagnosis actually is,more importantly, understanding what it's not.
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It's not It doesn't mean that youcan't live productively, don't mean that
you can't live independently, doesn't meanyou can't work where you want to work.
So it's creating these narratives and thesestories for us to tell people where
you're here to help you at whateverlevel you need us. But we know
that there's a need out there's howto be better partner with you and how
do we partner with your community,your natural support network to make sure that
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you can live the life that you'veenvisioned for yourself. How are they doing
that in terms of work, forexample, and many of them that can
work, they can work, theydon't have an opportunity talk about that.
How you go to the agency ora company and you say, hey,
this guy, this guy, thisgirl can work, they can work.
How do you show them that,Yeah, it's exactly what you just said.
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You can tell the story. Thedata is there on the value the
individuals who are in the aging spaceand the individuals who are the disability space.
The data is there that shows companiesthat these are value employees. You
know, Historically, when you havean aging community, a lot of those
individuals are loyal to the place thatthey work. You know, I think
more of a recent fat where yousee a lot of folks at three years
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one place, two years and thatx three years and one place. A
lot of the folks that we're haveapproplegate to serving in the aging community are
locked in because they're loyal to theplace that they go to work. So
there's value in that. They've gothistory, they've got experience. When you
talk about the lack of managerial skills, a lot of the folks that are
in that population have done that andwe want them to re engage in the
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workforce, especially when you're talking aboutthe date of Tennessee, you've got more
job openings than you do available talentin the talent pool. Well, that's
because we haven't had companies reach outto us about, well, how can
you help us in the aging spacethat has talent and folks that are in
the disabilted community who have talent wantto go to work. We have thousands
of folks that we haven't privileges ofsupporting who are ready to go to work
today. But we have to doa better job of telling the message to
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companies and getting companies understand the valuethat both of those demographics bring to their
overall culture, to their ecosystem,to their bottom line and work to engage
them. We have a full teamthat's dedicated inside our our apartment to serving
companies and to serving individuals that wantto work and making sure that whatever environment
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they go into, they're going tobe successful as an individual but also as
an employee. So the company understandsthe value of what true integrated hiring really
looks like. Because now the companiesare starting to come out with coming back
after COVID and they're starting to comeout and they're wanting more people to work
from and so you can help themout. That's right, Yeah, absolutely,
and folks are welcome to reach outto us. Our website tm dot
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gov SLASHDIDD. We've got plenty ofinformation on there about what we do in
the employment space, what we doin the job searching space, programs that
we have that are available to supportindividuals with disabilities and individuals who are aging
to make sure that they can meetthe demand of companies. And it's really
stepping up to challenge local chamber ofcommerce groups, the Stage Chamber of Commerce.
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We have had several meetings with theseindividuals that they have brought businesses in,
but we need people to step up. You know the old ada and
just talk is cheap, and inthis case that absolutely is the truth.
A lot of folks want to beinclusive, they want to have these conversations
and understanding what that looks like.What we need people to take their words
and move them into action. Andthat's what we want to do. Is
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not in amputitive manner, but wewant to encourage them to say, hey,
talk to us about how this willwork, and then we will come
alongside you and partner to make surethat you get quality talent while employing people
historically in communities that have been underrecognized for what they can do in a
job set. When you said chambercommers, when you go to a chamber
comers, you meet with them,talk to them. What do you say
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to them to make them want tohire people that want to work and help
them help people that want to haveintellectual and developmental disabilities that want to help
them in some way? What doyou say? You know, it's really
turn the question back on them,and how many of you here have openings
that you can't find people to work? And everybody in there will raise their
hand, and I asked them,if I have a talent pool that I
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know is available right now to work, would you be interested in that.
Everybody in the room rates that they'rein And that's when we introduce it to
say, well, we have fortyseven hundred people right now in our service
delivery system with disabilities who are readyto go to work today. And you
know, truthfully speaking, we arestill in a world that wants to do
that. But we're not that farremoved from institutions where people with disabilities.
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We're not in your neighborhood, thatwe're not in your church, that we're
not in your community, we're notin your classroom. So we are still
navigating what real integration for individual disabilitieslooks like in the state of Tennessee,
and thankfully we're one of the mostforward thinking states. We do not have
institutions anyone one of fourteen states inthe country that don't, but that means
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thirty six other states do. Sothe idea that people with disabilities not only
can work, but actually want towork, it's still a relatively new concept
to businesses and the folks that havebeen around for twenty thirty years in the
business world. So it's also breakingdown those barriers that unintentionally have been discriminative.
But it's really just because people don'tknow. And so we never go
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into these conversations to be punitive orto be judgmental. What we do is
try to go into them to beeducational and work with all the brand to
say, let us be partners withyou to move Tennessee. For when we
do that, there's a whole lotmore feedback we get, you know the
old saying, you get a lotmore flies with honey than vinegar. So
we don't go in there and tryto scold people. We just tell the
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story and say what can we doto help and then work to engage those
companies that want to take the stepforward to serve Tennesseeans. You know,
you're right about that. Tennessee probablyjust is it far removed it all from
the institutions. But there's one ofthese people. Put them in the institution,
that's what's wrong with them. Butnow they through therapies and various drugs
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and whatever, you help them,right, that's right? Yeah, I
mean, so we have created anenvironment for Tennessee's with disapposed to thrive,
and that has been the whole goaland the natural challenge and inclination sometimes I
think is for people to look atwhat we used to do and sometimes take
pride in what we used to.Say. Boy, it would be a
whole lot easier if we would gobackwards, but we can't go backwards.
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You know, the civil rights movement. If you can't go backwards on that,
there are things that are worth fightingfor, and a lot of people
believe that there are things we're dyingfor civil rights movement with one of those
disability rights is also one of thosethings that has recently been more of something
that has gained attention than the originalcivil rights movement that started in the fifties
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and sixties and ulti culminated with theCivil Rights Act being signed into law by
President Johnson. We only received theAmerican Disability Act in the nineties. This
is not something that has been goingon for a long time. We have
an entire generation of folks that wereraised without peers and the classroom had disabilities,
did not understand that someone with disabilitiescould work. So we are very
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proud of what Tennessee has done toclose institutions because you just said it.
Historically, what would have been saidwas the best thing you could do,
Mom and dad or grandma, raporient and uncles, send them to an
institution and never look at them again. And that's exactly what happened. You
know, at its peak, wehad several thousand people in Tennessee that had
disabilities that were locked away in institutions, and that's horrific. We never want
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to do that again based on disability, and so our department takes great pride
in educating people about the whoores andthe history of institution while also making sure
that we continue to be positive andunderstand that you can help us as businesses
and as industry, and as neighborsand as community citizens to move Tennessee forward
by how you honored the dignity ofpeople with disabilities and people who are aging.
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Yeah, how do you now dealwith those people? People? I
say this, yeah, but howdo you you deal with them? It's
to medication and how do you dealwith them? Now? If I'm saying
it right, yeah, how doyou how do you deal with them?
If you know what I'm saying,yeah, I think your question is Okay,
so we've done this, Now howdo you get to live the best
lot? Right? Right? Yeah? So there's a number of things we've
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done. The first thing seems intuitive, but it actually now or happened we
actually ask them what do you wantto do? Because these are individuals that
their entire lives have been told noyou can't do this, No you can't
do that, No you can't gohere, no you can't watch this.
They've never been asked, well,what do you want to do with the
possible answer being back to their response, yes we can do that. So
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it's actually having conversations and creating verymuch a person centered approach to how we
deliver services for Tennesseeans with disabilities andhow we're going to deliver services to Tennesseeans
who find themselves in the aging population. It's natural for us to want to
tell people what to do or whatnot to do, as long as they're
not doing that back to us.This is a population that has never been
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asked that question. So we startthere with the premise of your dignity as
an individual is the most important thingin this conversation. So how do we
help you live up to your potentialand to the best of your ability?
And then once we establish that,we work to build supports and programs and
services around them. Whether it's adiagnosis, to your point about why you
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find out what what what the diagnosismight be, well we work with that.
Well, now what do you doto make sure you provide the right
services based on the diagnosis. Wedo that. We want to build and
continue the services that allows people tohave their needs met at every level,
but only up to the point wherethey need us, and when they don't
need us anymore, we want tomake sure that they're confident enough to go
out and live in their community theway that they want to do for the
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first time in their life. Nownays before you'd see somebody be a child
and they take the child and putthem in the institution. Now you have
children who are what do you youYou start with children in some cases that's
right, but how do you chartwith them? And how do you how
do you how do you work workwith them? Yeah, So one of
the programs that we have now iscalled the Tennessee Intervention System. So Tennessee
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is the only state in the countrythat actually works for children from birth up
to kindergarten eligibility cage five that mighthave developmental delays or have a diagnosis of
the developmental delay. Because what wewant to do is the house is only
as strong as the face foundation.So we believe the earlier that we can
get to children that might have signsof developmental delays or ultimately intellectual development of
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disabilities, the quicker we can getto them to build a foundation of growth,
of learning, of development, thebetter off they're going to be.
So our TEIs programming has been avery bright light for us. We've got
a lot of great workers, We'vegot a lot of great private agencies and
private providers who have worked to partnerwith us to make sure that they meet
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the needs of their children. Andwhen I say we serve, we're serving
thousands of children across the state ofTennessee and making sure that we're building a
strong foundation for those children so whenthey do go into the school system,
they're ready as much as they canbe based on their ability. We have
created a foundation that really is strongenough for them to learn and grow.
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That's fantastic. How what are someof the ways that you've done that.
So we've got a lot of differentways that we actually do it. I
mean, I think the important partis making sure they'll be get a diagnosis
as early as possible and then buildinga support plan around that. So we
have gotten stories from families who havecome up to me ten years later than
when their child started in TIS andsaid, Hey, my child was in
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early intervention and now at fifth grade, they're reading like their parents do,
they're communicating with their peers due theydon't have social awkwardness that I was worried
about because they might have been shyor had some sort of diagnosis on the
spectrum that part of that was ayou know, a social shyness. It's
hearing those success stories that really driveus. So we have built a really
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strong program that again it's not onesize fits all that we try to put
everybody in the same box. Wemeet with the families, We work with
the children to say, what areyou hoping to accomplish in this as a
mom and dad, or as aguardian or a caregiver, and then how
do we build our programs to dothat. So we've done that, you
know, with private providers that wehave with therapy services to day deliver.
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My daughter is paid in that workwith her ot work with our occupational therapists,
work with their speech but just workwith her physical therapist. So we've
got a really strong network and areally good network of folks in the private
space who help us make sure thatwe drive positive change inside our system.
When we're not doing something right,we hear about it from them and we
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hopefully work together to make it stronger. But ultimately it comes down to the
resilience of the children and the familiesto say, hey, we're going to
do everything we can to make surethat our child needs are met. And
that's where it's appropriate for us tocome alongside and make sure that we do
that. So you don't, don'tyou don't do the one one cookie cutter
fits all. Now you do it. You deal it differently and deal it
differently with people. Yeah, soI mean everybody's different and so now you
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do that. That's right. Yeah. Everybody learns differently, everybody develops differently.
Everybody has different talents and strengths andweaknesses. We're intentional with how we
do things, specifically with children,specifically with people with disabilities, around what
do you want to do? Whatare your strengths, what are your weaknesses,
where are your fears? How canwe help you overcome those years?
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And you build out a very directpersonal plan built on what they have shared
with you. And that's exactly whatwe're starting to do with the aging community
as well, as they have alot to offer. You know, sixty
is the new seventy, right,Yeah, And we're seeing more people live
longer than ever, and more andmore people that fall in that demographic are
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moving into Tennessee. We want tomake sure that we have the right programs
in place where when they need us, we're here. But if they don't
need us, even better because they'reliving a life that they have envisioned for
themselves and living as indefindently as possible. Do you do anything with veterans much?
Yeah, so we actually have startedto really get rested in the veteran
space. We owe so much toveterans. And yes, they have the
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VA and they have other services thatare available to them. But there's a
lot of things that we have workedvery closely with our Department Investor Services here
in the State of Tennessee. MissionTommy Madero is a good friend of mine.
We have had very intentional meetings andhow can we better serve Tennesseeans who
served in the armed forces that mighteither have been in action or have some
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level of disability that they experience whilebeing in the armed forces. So what
can we do with our seating andpositioning clinics. We actually have the seating
Positioning Clinic here in Nashville that alot of the folks that listen to your
program might be interested in that.You do not have to be enrolled in
any state program to access that.We take private citizens, We take private
insurance. We encourage folks to lookthat up to come meet with us and
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allow us to help customize a wheelchairfor you, better fit your wheelchair for
you. We're wanting to expand thoseoperations things that we can do into the
orthotics and other areas. But that'sthe area that we're really trying to target
with veterans is making sure that whatthey're not getting inside of the BA and
there may be some level of disabilitythere that they would be opened for.
Is there an opportunity for us tosupplement that by working with the Department of
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Veterans Services here in Tennessee to tryto reach as many veterans as possible.
What about the homeless population? Doyou help them? That we do?
And so you know that that isa glaring challenge. I think everybody understands
and recognizes, Hey, what dowe do you know to try to serve
people who are experiencing homelessness? BecauseI think the vast majority of people would
agree that folks that find themselves inthat situation did not set out to be
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in that situation. They didn't choosethat. You know, there were a
lot of life circumstances that happened becauseof that. So did we fail them
somewhere along the line? Did wemiss something along the line that has now
led to them experiencing homelessness. Sowe have worked closely with the Harbor Human
Services here Commissioner Carter. We workvery closely with the Department Mental Health and
Substanceute Services with Commissioner Marie Williams onhow do we better serve population who are
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experiencing homelessness, who might have disabilities. How do we better coordinate and pull
our resources together to try to servethose populations. Our part, truthfully is
you know your structure matters right,and if there's no structure there, it's
hard to work with someone who hasbeen so used to just surviving. So
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it's creating the right structure, it'screating the right front door. Its creating
the right ability for us to notonly go get those folks, but for
those folks to understand we're here tohelp and we're going to work with them
to create a natural progression to tryto help them get back on their feet.
In fact, I had a conversationtwo days ago with a friend of
mine who worked for a nonprofit herein Tennessee asking that great question and Brad,
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how do we start better serving thepopulation who is currently experiencing homelessness with
things that you do, things thatmental health does, things that DHS does,
to try to get them out ofthe cycle, because that's the thing
we want. We want to dotheir cycle of dependency, cycles of addiction,
cycles of homelessness that fearies are experiencing. We want to do whatever we
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can to try to break that andlet them know that there are ways out
that we can try to help you. Make sure that you can get back
with the feet, anything else involvingI know you can give a busy organization
and obviously you're going to become tohave a new name coming up so pretty
soon. Anything else that's available that'sout there now that you need to tell
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us about that, Yeah. Ithink one of the asks that we always
try to provide is that everyone that'slistening to your show, and everyone that
lives in Tennessee knows someone who hasa disavoter who is aging. So you
know someone that we're trying to actuallysupport and try to help. But our
challenge and our call to action tothose that are listening and those that are
involved in the state of Tennessee iswe need you. We need advocates,
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we need volunteers, we need peoplewho will help drive cars and drive meals
to older Tennessees and the meals onwheels programs. We need your children to
be peer tutors in high school,when in middle school, when a child
with disabilities need to have a bodyat every level of every age, in
every organization, in every community,city and county that we live in.
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We need people who want to begood Parker and good advocates with Arthur Parker,
both as it exists now but asthe new Department of versus in July,
to help us fight the good fight. When it comes to representing people
with disabilities and people who are aging, they're not asking for a handout,
They're just asking for a hand up. And that's what we want to do
is we're not here to try tocreate some level of dependence on the government.
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What we're trying to do is dothe right thing by sustaining those that
need help, creating a safety thatthat people can land in, and building
an environment and ecosystem around that wherepeople can continue to thrive until they need
more services. But when they needthose services, we're going to be here
as the new Department to make surethat they continue to live the way they
want to in Tennessee. Where cansomebody go the want to find out about
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you and find out about your services. Now, where's going to go?
Now? Yeah, the easiest thingto do is to follow us on social
media. Department of Inteluxury about oneof Disabilities. We're on Facebook, We're
on Instagram, we're on Twitter,We're on a lot of different social media
platforms. But on our website TNdot gov slash d I d D,
we'll give you all the information aboutour programs, all of our contact information
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that's out there that you can lookup things that you may not know about,
things that you're interested in, andyou can reach out to us and
we can make sure that we willroute you to the right folks. But
we really encourage people to utilize socialmedia. We do a lot of things.
We're the most active department in stategovernment on social media. A lot
of the stories and a lot ofthe things that we're doing are being told
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on there, and you might seesomething that Peach you're interested about. It
would be a part of that.And we love to have you. I
love talking to you. You're stillpassionate about it. I love that,
and I love that and you've gotYou've got a lot of work when you
design. When you come with thisnew agency, the Tennessee Department of Disability
at Aging. What are you doingwith that right now? Yeah, so
actually in the process of rebranding,okay, and so we don't have very
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many sleep field nice our communications teamsdo a great job and rebranding, and
we'll wanting to make sure that thepeople that need to know about us in
most understand that the name might bechanging with the PASS and that it's going
to remain the same. And we'regoing to be more vigilant than ever to
make sure that we create programs thatsupport you at every level of your journey
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in the state of Tennessee. Sonot only are we rebranding what we're going
to become, we're reevaluating to makesure that we're doing everything we can to
serve Tennessee. And I'm excited aboutwhere we're headed. But I'm glad you
did come back anytime. Yeah,back, be back, Thanks for having
me anytime. That's Brad Turner,Commissioner of the Tennessee Department Disability and Aging.
You can find out more about themby visiting TN dot gov slash d
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I d D For questions or commentsabout today's program, you can email me,
John Clark at iHeartMedia dot com.Thanks for listening. We'll talk to
you next week right here in yourlocal radio station on Tennessee Matters