May 2, 2025 • 11 mins
The Athletic projects the Spurs in a 3-team trade for a superstar.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
The athletic has come up with a ridiculous trade scenario
that would get Janis to San Antonio. I don't like
many of the scenarios that are out there, but understand,
if you're gonna get him, and everybody in the national
world thinks seems to think that that's something that should
be looked at. So go ahead, No, what's the what's
the athletic proposing?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Okay, So it would be a three team trade that
would involve the Bucks, the Spurs, and the Pelicans, and
this would to be to get Janis to San Antonio.
San Antonio would only receive Yannis. The Milwaukee Bucks would
receive Zion Wi Williamson, Keldon Johnson, the spurs twenty twenty
(00:47):
five first round pick, which is the Atlanta pick, the
twenty twenty seven first round pick swap, and then san
Antonio's twenty twenty nine first round pick.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
The New Orleans Hornets would.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Receive Vassil pat Conington and the spurs twenty twenty seven
first round pick as well.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I'm sorry, that's the stupidest trade ever.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, you already lost me about three picks. Basically, it's
the same thing I told you earlier last week.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
One of those.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
One of the scenarios that that has to happen is
you got to get to fifty three million dollars and
you get there with Kelvin Johnson and Devin Vessel. I
don't want to change the makeup of the team that
drastically to get any player, including Honis. You can give
up one of them if you have to, and the
one that makes the most money is Vasell. So that
gets you to fifty three million dollars faster. But however,
(01:38):
you break this down, you've got to make sure the
salaries match. And I'm sure the Athletic went on the
trade machine and spent twenty five thirty minutes trying to
figure that out, and that's what they came up with.
And so it's I think it's a long shot for
him to come here, and I think a lot it's
going to be predicated by what happens when the Spurs
know their lottery's choice. Obviously, if they get Cooper lag
(02:00):
with a number one pick, that changes a lot of
the things that they're planning on doing. And then where
they are projected to draft with eight and fourteen. Do
they think with with their version of their mock drafts,
Is eight and fourteen going to be good enough to
make the roster and develop?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
And if it's not.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
If those if eight and fourteen aren't going to make
you better, then you're gonna either have to do that
through free agency to get better because you still need
to be a little bit better. And there's all kinds
of scenarios with dry Queen and Melawatch as a potential
Spurs pick at eight and there's forty guys at fourteen
that you could probably look at as a potential Maybe
there's a Kawhi Leonard that drops down that far they
(02:40):
eat when we saw back in twenty eleven. So that
I think what the Spurs, what the Spurs do, and
the trade they're gonna wait, they'll probably wait, well they
have to wait till they get closer to draft day,
but they're going to look at where their draft is,
what position they're drafting in, and then what player is
available for them in the draft, and then I would
(03:01):
imagine the trades and the free agencies will be around that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, I think what lottery is ten days away? I
think it's it's a twelfth. It's away from Monday, Yeah,
ten days away, so uh, it will be. We'll definitely
know what they what they wind up with on the
lottery day of where they're they're standing, of what blueprint
(03:26):
and and what Mitch Johnson thinks maybe this or this
team needs now that it's his team, do they want
to go ahead and swing for the fences or do
they want to continue to say, Hey, we've already made
the step with with acquiring Dearon Fox, Do we need
to take another home run swing? And maybe, Okay, we'd
(03:48):
be good for one or two years, but four years
down the road we would wind up being right back
in the scenario of trying to rebuild this back up.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Okay, look at the roster as it stands right now
and make zero changes. Okay, So and assuming everybody's healthy
and ready to roll next year, Uh, You've got Wemby
at one of your forwards or one of your upfront players.
You probably have Harrison Barnes in the lineup at the
other spot, and you have Fox and the Cell in
(04:20):
the backcourt. Yep, and you have whoever you draft is
your center, your draft pick right now, your draft, whether
it's Mellowatch or Queen. Let's say they take one of
those guys, because the current centers, uh Sandro's I think
a good backup. Bassie is hurt too often to really know,
and none of them are dominating rebounders. Bassie could be
(04:41):
if he was a little bit more physical, but he
likes to play face to the basket some as well.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So here's who was on the team assuming they pick
up the team options.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Here's who would and then so I got Wemby Barnes,
the draft pick Fox and Visel and I'm assuming you
know Fox signs the super Max.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Here here are the players that would not be on
the team next year. Again, I'm assuming that the team
options get picked up. Chris Paul is not on them,
but I'm putting him on the team.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, I'm just.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Going who is right now? Who would not be? Chris
Paul wouldn't be on the team, Sandro wouldn't be on
the team. Jordan McLoughlin would not be on the team,
and then Bismack Biambo.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Well, of those players you mentioned, I'm resigning Paul if
he wants to stay in San Antonio, and I'll consider
Sandro as I develop out the.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Rest of the roster.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
But you ought so your bench, assuming you're starting Wimby Barnes,
your draft pick, Fox and Vissel. Your bench is Paul
and Castle and so hand and and Champagne and who
else am I missing? Charles Bassie would be the Vassie
is on the third team, so I need I need
another player, and Malachi Brandam is on the on the
(05:46):
on the I'm going eleven, twelve, thirteen or Bassie, Branham
and somebody else.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Blake Wesley would be there as well, and that there.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So maybe said if you were to resign Sandro, he'd
be on the second teams as your back big so
Sandro Championnee Sohan, Castle and Paul.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Is your second unit.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But if they're and the and assuming the draft pick
is a big guy and not Cooper Flag, then that's
that's that's kind of your starting lineup. What's missing? Well,
how can you make this better?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Who? If you're gonna get you on us?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And and you're if you're in half the half the
half the NBA Countdown team has said he's that that's
a great destination for him to go to. Uh, then
how do you uh? Then what are you willing to
give up to get him? And does it still make
you okay? Because Wemby, Barnes, Fox, and Vissil are a
really good, really good group if you were if you
(06:39):
have to trade Vassil and I'm only saying you have
to trade him because he makes the most money and
he gets you closer to fifty three million faster. And
you put Castle in that lineup, then who's your backup?
Uh in the who's your backup coming off the bench
where he would be a bench player, And then who's
gonna play in the post for you do that maybe
with your fourteenth pick.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, that that's the only unfortunate, unfortunate side when it
comes to the trading situation is yes, what I love,
what I love Giannis Antetokombo.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yes, but the fact that it would wind up costing.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
At least a minimum of two, maybe even three potential
players and you're getting you're getting one for three, then
we're still back in the same situation.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Still to have depth, Yeah, okay, yeah, you have Victor.
You you're the.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
New York Knicks of a guys, and you can't play
a guys without wearing them out throughout the season.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Now you have to go get Andy's favorite player, Kyle
Lowry and have the fine for the veteran minimums Kyle
Lowry's That's what you have to wind up doing, is
you have to fill up the.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Right Kyle Lowry was my favorite, not non uh my
favorite overlooked player when he was thirty two, not whatever
he is now thirty seven or.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Eight, somewhere along along those lines. Yeah, in theory, it
would sound great to have the potential of having Victor
and Giannice and dearon Fox and Steph Castle, But then
you'd have to wind up with the likelihood of, you know,
signing a guy who's making one million dollars, who's averaging
one one point a game.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You know, that's the only unfortunate side.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I again, I'm still advocating more along the lines of
I would love Jaron Jackson junior. He's half the money,
way more than half the money, he's younger, and I
believe he would help the roster out even more.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
The only issue would be is he's in the same
boat as Deer and Fox. Next year would be the
last year of his contract. How much money would that cost?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It's not our money we're spending. We're spending other people's
money frivolously.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And this as long as it doesn't affect Victor's money.
That's all I care about it. I want Victor to retire.
I don't care if they're on the second, Aprin. But again,
it's not my luxury tax money that I'm spending here.
It's about winning.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
And the one that's one constant that's been here for
the last twenty five thirty years is it doesn't matter
how much it costs to win.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
If we can win, we're going to spend the money.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And I know most teams don't want to hit that
second though, Apron, but most are okay with going over
the first or being in between the first and the
second if it is something that can help you. And
that salary CAP's going to continually go up, and Deer
and Fox is going to get two hundred and twenty
nine million or whatever it is, and by the time
Winby comes around, he's going to be one hundred million
dollars a year ago more than likely. Yeah, hey, listen,
(09:21):
if the money wasn't there, then we wouldn't see these contracts.
I have this argument all the time, when nobody's worth
a hundred million dollars or Shay's going to make eighty
two million nobody's worth eighty two million. No, they're not
if you want to just look at it on practicality things.
But when the league is raking in twelve billion dollars
a year and the players get half of it, it's
got to go to some of the players, and the
(09:42):
best players are going to get there a bigger percentage
of it. It's the way the contracts are written. And
every time that you see a player get X amount
of dollars, the owners are getting X amount of dollars
in return. Yes, they have expenses, so the players. But
none of this happens without players performing on the court
where they're to watch.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
The players.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Owners could own, our governors can govern, but players are
the ones that are providing the entertainment.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
No one's there to watch. Whoever the owner is.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Matt Mattishbi is not playing basketball when the Suns take
the court. But he better put some players on the
court that people want to watch or and that's and
he's got to pay them up, you know, half of
what he's getting in from the league.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Here's what we do.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Andy, you trade all of the picks this year the
first round. In the second round, you trade all of
the picks next year, first round, in the second round,
you move up to get Cooper Flag. There, we don't
have to worry about anything. I'm not losing any players.
I don't have to lose sleep over that. It's we've
got thirty seven picks, but the next six years.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
But whoever wins the draft, is it going to do
that because Cooper Flag is their ticket to selling tickets.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Not if it's Washington, they'll do something stupid.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well yeah, but at least they can mark put a
billboard up in the landover and say Cooper Flag plays
here forty one times and it probably increased the price
of their tickets.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I'm just saying, you know, you never know.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
We could pull we can pull a Mike Ditka and
trading all of our draft picks to go get the
legendary Longhorn to Ricky Williams.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And that's just saying, never say never.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
All Right, The one more segment to go to wrap
up today, it's the Andy Everage Show on the Tickets
The athletic has come up with a ridiculous trade scenario
that would get Janis to San Antonio. I don't like
many of the scenarios that are out there, but understand,
if you're gonna get him, and everybody in the national
world thinks seems to think that that's something that should
be looked at. So go ahead, No, what's the what's
the athletic proposing?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Okay, So it would be a three team trade that
would involve the Bucks, the Spurs, and the Pelicans, and
this would to be to get Janis to San Antonio.
San Antonio would only receive Yannis. The Milwaukee Bucks would
receive Zion Wi Williamson, Keldon Johnson, the spurs twenty twenty
(00:47):
five first round pick, which is the Atlanta pick, the
twenty twenty seven first round pick swap, and then san
Antonio's twenty twenty nine first round pick.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
The New Orleans Hornets would.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Receive Vassil pat Conington and the spurs twenty twenty seven
first round pick as well.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I'm sorry, that's the stupidest trade ever.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, you already lost me about three picks. Basically, it's
the same thing I told you earlier last week.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
One of those.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
One of the scenarios that that has to happen is
you got to get to fifty three million dollars and
you get there with Kelvin Johnson and Devin Vessel. I
don't want to change the makeup of the team that
drastically to get any player, including Honis. You can give
up one of them if you have to, and the
one that makes the most money is Vasell. So that
gets you to fifty three million dollars faster. But however,
(01:38):
you break this down, you've got to make sure the
salaries match. And I'm sure the Athletic went on the
trade machine and spent twenty five thirty minutes trying to
figure that out, and that's what they came up with.
And so it's I think it's a long shot for
him to come here, and I think a lot it's
going to be predicated by what happens when the Spurs
know their lottery's choice. Obviously, if they get Cooper lag
(02:00):
with a number one pick, that changes a lot of
the things that they're planning on doing. And then where
they are projected to draft with eight and fourteen. Do
they think with with their version of their mock drafts,
Is eight and fourteen going to be good enough to
make the roster and develop?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
And if it's not.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
If those if eight and fourteen aren't going to make
you better, then you're gonna either have to do that
through free agency to get better because you still need
to be a little bit better. And there's all kinds
of scenarios with dry Queen and Melawatch as a potential
Spurs pick at eight and there's forty guys at fourteen
that you could probably look at as a potential Maybe
there's a Kawhi Leonard that drops down that far they
(02:40):
eat when we saw back in twenty eleven. So that
I think what the Spurs, what the Spurs do, and
the trade they're gonna wait, they'll probably wait, well they
have to wait till they get closer to draft day,
but they're going to look at where their draft is,
what position they're drafting in, and then what player is
available for them in the draft, and then I would
(03:01):
imagine the trades and the free agencies will be around that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, I think what lottery is ten days away? I
think it's it's a twelfth. It's away from Monday, Yeah,
ten days away, so uh, it will be. We'll definitely
know what they what they wind up with on the
lottery day of where they're they're standing, of what blueprint
(03:26):
and and what Mitch Johnson thinks maybe this or this
team needs now that it's his team, do they want
to go ahead and swing for the fences or do
they want to continue to say, Hey, we've already made
the step with with acquiring Dearon Fox, Do we need
to take another home run swing? And maybe, Okay, we'd
(03:48):
be good for one or two years, but four years
down the road we would wind up being right back
in the scenario of trying to rebuild this back up.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Okay, look at the roster as it stands right now
and make zero changes. Okay, So and assuming everybody's healthy
and ready to roll next year, Uh, You've got Wemby
at one of your forwards or one of your upfront players.
You probably have Harrison Barnes in the lineup at the
other spot, and you have Fox and the Cell in
(04:20):
the backcourt. Yep, and you have whoever you draft is
your center, your draft pick right now, your draft, whether
it's Mellowatch or Queen. Let's say they take one of
those guys, because the current centers, uh Sandro's I think
a good backup. Bassie is hurt too often to really know,
and none of them are dominating rebounders. Bassie could be
(04:41):
if he was a little bit more physical, but he
likes to play face to the basket some as well.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So here's who was on the team assuming they pick
up the team options.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Here's who would and then so I got Wemby Barnes,
the draft pick Fox and Visel and I'm assuming you
know Fox signs the super Max.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Here here are the players that would not be on
the team next year. Again, I'm assuming that the team
options get picked up. Chris Paul is not on them,
but I'm putting him on the team.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, I'm just.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Going who is right now? Who would not be? Chris
Paul wouldn't be on the team, Sandro wouldn't be on
the team. Jordan McLoughlin would not be on the team,
and then Bismack Biambo.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Well, of those players you mentioned, I'm resigning Paul if
he wants to stay in San Antonio, and I'll consider
Sandro as I develop out the.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Rest of the roster.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
But you ought so your bench, assuming you're starting Wimby Barnes,
your draft pick, Fox and Vissel. Your bench is Paul
and Castle and so hand and and Champagne and who
else am I missing? Charles Bassie would be the Vassie
is on the third team, so I need I need
another player, and Malachi Brandam is on the on the
(05:46):
on the I'm going eleven, twelve, thirteen or Bassie, Branham
and somebody else.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Blake Wesley would be there as well, and that there.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So maybe said if you were to resign Sandro, he'd
be on the second teams as your back big so
Sandro Championnee Sohan, Castle and Paul.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Is your second unit.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But if they're and the and assuming the draft pick
is a big guy and not Cooper Flag, then that's
that's that's kind of your starting lineup. What's missing? Well,
how can you make this better?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Who? If you're gonna get you on us?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And and you're if you're in half the half the
half the NBA Countdown team has said he's that that's
a great destination for him to go to. Uh, then
how do you uh? Then what are you willing to
give up to get him? And does it still make
you okay? Because Wemby, Barnes, Fox, and Vissil are a
really good, really good group if you were if you
(06:39):
have to trade Vassil and I'm only saying you have
to trade him because he makes the most money and
he gets you closer to fifty three million faster. And
you put Castle in that lineup, then who's your backup?
Uh in the who's your backup coming off the bench
where he would be a bench player, And then who's
gonna play in the post for you do that maybe
with your fourteenth pick.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, that that's the only unfortunate, unfortunate side when it
comes to the trading situation is yes, what I love,
what I love Giannis Antetokombo.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yes, but the fact that it would wind up costing.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
At least a minimum of two, maybe even three potential
players and you're getting you're getting one for three, then
we're still back in the same situation.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Still to have depth, Yeah, okay, yeah, you have Victor.
You you're the.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
New York Knicks of a guys, and you can't play
a guys without wearing them out throughout the season.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Now you have to go get Andy's favorite player, Kyle
Lowry and have the fine for the veteran minimums Kyle
Lowry's That's what you have to wind up doing, is
you have to fill up the.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Right Kyle Lowry was my favorite, not non uh my
favorite overlooked player when he was thirty two, not whatever
he is now thirty seven or.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Eight, somewhere along along those lines. Yeah, in theory, it
would sound great to have the potential of having Victor
and Giannice and dearon Fox and Steph Castle, But then
you'd have to wind up with the likelihood of, you know,
signing a guy who's making one million dollars, who's averaging
one one point a game.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You know, that's the only unfortunate side.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I again, I'm still advocating more along the lines of
I would love Jaron Jackson junior. He's half the money,
way more than half the money, he's younger, and I
believe he would help the roster out even more.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
The only issue would be is he's in the same
boat as Deer and Fox. Next year would be the
last year of his contract. How much money would that cost?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It's not our money we're spending. We're spending other people's
money frivolously.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And this as long as it doesn't affect Victor's money.
That's all I care about it. I want Victor to retire.
I don't care if they're on the second, Aprin. But again,
it's not my luxury tax money that I'm spending here.
It's about winning.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
And the one that's one constant that's been here for
the last twenty five thirty years is it doesn't matter
how much it costs to win.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
If we can win, we're going to spend the money.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And I know most teams don't want to hit that
second though, Apron, but most are okay with going over
the first or being in between the first and the
second if it is something that can help you. And
that salary CAP's going to continually go up, and Deer
and Fox is going to get two hundred and twenty
nine million or whatever it is, and by the time
Winby comes around, he's going to be one hundred million
dollars a year ago more than likely. Yeah, hey, listen,
(09:21):
if the money wasn't there, then we wouldn't see these contracts.
I have this argument all the time, when nobody's worth
a hundred million dollars or Shay's going to make eighty
two million nobody's worth eighty two million. No, they're not
if you want to just look at it on practicality things.
But when the league is raking in twelve billion dollars
a year and the players get half of it, it's
got to go to some of the players, and the
(09:42):
best players are going to get there a bigger percentage
of it. It's the way the contracts are written. And
every time that you see a player get X amount
of dollars, the owners are getting X amount of dollars
in return. Yes, they have expenses, so the players. But
none of this happens without players performing on the court
where they're to watch.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
The players.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Owners could own, our governors can govern, but players are
the ones that are providing the entertainment.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
No one's there to watch. Whoever the owner is.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Matt Mattishbi is not playing basketball when the Suns take
the court. But he better put some players on the
court that people want to watch or and that's and
he's got to pay them up, you know, half of
what he's getting in from the league.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Here's what we do.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Andy, you trade all of the picks this year the
first round. In the second round, you trade all of
the picks next year, first round, in the second round,
you move up to get Cooper Flag. There, we don't
have to worry about anything. I'm not losing any players.
I don't have to lose sleep over that. It's we've
got thirty seven picks, but the next six years.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
But whoever wins the draft, is it going to do
that because Cooper Flag is their ticket to selling tickets.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Not if it's Washington, they'll do something stupid.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well yeah, but at least they can mark put a
billboard up in the landover and say Cooper Flag plays
here forty one times and it probably increased the price
of their tickets.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I'm just saying, you know, you never know.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
We could pull we can pull a Mike Ditka and
trading all of our draft picks to go get the
legendary Longhorn to Ricky Williams.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And that's just saying, never say never.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
All Right, The one more segment to go to wrap
up today, it's the Andy Everage Show on the Tickets
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