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June 13, 2025 16 mins
Rory McIlroy’s media avoidance is more about composure than anything else.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Thank you for spinning your afternoon with us.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
As we get into the final hour of the week
and there are three players under par at the US Open.
Sam Burns is going to be in the final group
tomorrow at three under. JJ Spahn's going to join him,
and Victor Hovelin and Adam Scott are likely going to
be in the next of the last group at minus
one and even par. Ben Griffin and Thomas die Three
are also even, and everybody else is in black numbers

(00:29):
at plus one or worse. Roy McElroy needs to make
par on the last hole if he's going to make
the cut. A Dekie Matsiyama just got in there with
a putt a little while ago to stay at plus seven.
And here we go into a racous weekend and Oakmont winning.
And you made the comment during the break that why

(00:51):
didn't I pick Adam Scott? Well, why did anybody pick
outdam Scott? Well, he's forty four years old to begin with,
he still has a fabulous swing. Adam Scott, by PGA
Tour standards, is a below average putter. He has the
big broomstick putter. Now what he won the Vlarro Texas
Open years ago. He was he was ball striking it

(01:11):
so well he didn't have to. He could two putt
from three feet and be okay. But by his standards
and by most standards, he's not a great putter. And
if he's going to, uh to win this, he's gonna
have to make some putts. But Adam Scott is certainly
in the mix, and he's got a great golf swing
and a tremendous ball striker.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, and it's just, uh, it's hilarious to see some
of these guys, the reactions and motions when they especially
like Rory and then Bryce, and they showed a clip
I guess when him missing one of these one of
the putts. And I can't say what he said, but
you can see that he's mouthing.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Give me a blanket.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
That's like to know that they're just like, well, like you, Andy,
not like I would say, like us. I don't believe
they struggle too.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Oh listen.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
First of all, the golf course is over seven thousand
yard long. They play par fives that are over a
part fours at over five hundred yards long.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
It would take me three to get to a lot
of the par fours on this golf course if I
was able to put the ball in the fairway, I
don't know what. Since I've never been there, I can't
imagine that Oakmont is going to be harder for the members,
although some members say that it is. But I will
say this, if I had to play that golf course
in those conditions and I broke a hundred, it would

(02:31):
be a great day. And anybody else that's even a
four or five or six handicap if you play by
the real rules of golf from a seven thousand plus
yard golf course in conditions where the ball rolls a
lot on the greens but not a lot in the fairways.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
And if you're in the.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Rough, you're punching out sideways and it may take you
two to get back there, and you're putting out every
put Good luck finishing, and at least they have spotters
out there to find the golf balls. A lot of
places where those balls were hit today people wouldn't find.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
By the way, guess who just squeaked in by the
hair of his chiny chin chin.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Ry Rory made the cut.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
He he ut a part of birding seven.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
He birdied eighteen, so he is plus six good for Rory.
Good for Rory. Well, he's listen, he's right now, he's
nine off the lead. But basically I'm looking at it
is if he can get to even par on the weekend,
he's gonna have a chance. Yeah, if he can shoot
three under three under on the weekend, and the way
he's driving it, I don't think he can. But if
he can shoot three under two days in a row,

(03:30):
or get to six under in some way, he would
be at even and I think even parr would win
the tournament. Uh.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
The golf, of course, will get worse tomorrow. They are
expecting rain this weekend, so we may have some delays.
They may or not be able to finish on Sunday.
There's a whole bunch of a whole bunch of things
in the way of that. Weatherwise, the wind is supposed
to pick up a little bit as well, so we
could have even more carnage than we had today. But
Sam Burns had a raculous round at sixty five today

(04:01):
after a seventy two yesterday, and he's in the driver's
seat right now at minus three.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
I only have one golfer in contention, Andy, and that
is one Scottie Chefs at plus four. At plus four,
Ludwig did not make the cut.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Lud Big out of here. Ludwig is out of here.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I got Colin marriclea at plus four. Yeah, so you
and I are. I guess whoever wins the battle between
the between the Scheffler and Marikawa wins the bet. Yeah,
and that you win absolutely nothing.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, because you had Justin Thomas and Justin Thomas and
Justin Rose.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
And they they're getting ready for the next tournament. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Justin Thomas finished plus twelve today and Justin Rose. I
am still Justin Rose plus fourteen. So there you go, Andy,
all right.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
I got to bring this up because it's been a
topic of the last couple of days. And I don't
know if Rory's gonna visit with Golf Channel or the
pool reporter or the flash area that they call, or
go into the press conference room or whatever. But once
again after yesterday's round, he inclined to talk to anybody.
Fred Alberts, who I have known. He does the coverage

(05:05):
of PGA Tour radio and this week he's doing US
Open radio. And Fred told a story I think it
was two weeks ago. After he didn't talk, Fred walked
over to Rory and said, I know you don't want
to talk. Did we do something wrong? And Rory related
to him he said, no, Fred, I just don't know.
I just don't know what to say right now, and
I don't want to say the wrong thing. And that
was the end of that discussion. And from what people

(05:29):
and I've only been around Rory a few times when
he's come to San Antonio and when he's come to
Austin for the match play back in the day, and
from what everybody tells me that follows the tour week
in and week out, there isn't a nicer person out
there than Rory. Rory's last guy year or so has
been a roller coaster. He was a major proponent opponent

(05:50):
as I am, of Live Goolf, and then all of
a sudden he had a change of heart and started
being nice to those guys and listen. I think Bryce
and the Shambau is doing a great job from up
for promoting the game of golf. I think whatever he
does on Live is irrelevant. I think his YouTube stuff
has grown to help grow the game. But if he
wins the Portland Invitational or the Saudi Invitational, I could

(06:11):
care less and I'm not watching him play, and he
lived golf half the time, I don't know where it's
at the other time, I don't know that it's on,
and if it's opposite the PGA Tour event, I'm watching
history being made, not some exhibition that's being played with
fifty three other guys. I think Patrick Reid and a
couple others matter on that tour, John Rahm, but the
overwhelming majority of live golfers don't matter. I saw a

(06:35):
story the other day where Jose Ballistaire, this up and
coming Spanish golfer, is going to join Live right out
of his amateur status. Think that we won the US
Open or the US Amateur last year, He's going to
go straight end to Live. Okay, you're going to start
your career playing for the Savannah Bananas or the Harlem Globetrotters.
If you're really a good player, you need to test
your merit on the PGA Tour. What you do on

(06:57):
Live doesn't matter. But Rory is written this roller coaster.
He lost the US Open last year, he had to
wait almost a year before the Masters. He should have
won the Masters, going away and then having to make
sure he wanted to playoff after finally hitting a good
shot on the second playoff hole or the first playoff

(07:18):
hole and finally took that monkey off his back he
has had. He's gone through almost divorce and a reconciliation
with his wife.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
He is moving to England.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I think it's mainly because they want their child to
go to English schools and not American schools. There's all
kinds of different things that have been going on on
and off the golf course, and he lives all of
this in a glasshouse, but you can see he is
frustrated with his golf game. He was upset that not
only did his driver be deemed non conforming, but so

(07:49):
did Scottie Scheffler's, and so did several others. But the
only one that was leaked that had a non conforming
driver was him, when none of them were supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
It's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Hey, your driver is now at a whack, go get
another one. And they have the tailor made, the Taylor made.
A van is one hundred yards away. They can go
in there and get whatever they want and it's free
because that's who are being sponsored by. And so a
lot of things have happened. But you could tell he
was very, very frustrated today. Threw a club on one

(08:20):
hole and he slammed his iron up his three wet
up against the team marker and broke that on the
seventeenth hole. So you can see that he's very frustrated
with everything. And the next major is basically in his
backyard at Royalport Rush. It's about a forty minute drive
from Hollywood to Royal Port Rush. He did not play
well there in twenty nineteen, think he made triple on

(08:41):
the first hole and was never in contention, and that
was the Open Championship that Shane Lowry won. So maybe
going back home next month and being in familiar territory
with familiar friends, we'll get his golf game back. I
think he has to play next week at Hartford. It'll
be into to see if he either plays or pays

(09:01):
the fine and doesn't play, because that's one of those
signature events. But I think he's in the field next
week for that. I know Scotti Scheffler is as well,
so we'll see what Ry does on the weekend. But
the fact that he got in under the cut line
is a good sign for him because I think he
needs to play more and play his way back to
the form that he had at the Masters.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, Scotty is the defending champion of the Travelers Championship
at the high Lands. So it was you know, again
just and not even Avid, but a drive by golf
watcher enjoyer that you have made me. I find it
hilarious to see some of these guys just you know,
as soon as they dropped the club after they hit

(09:43):
the ball, and the club just dropped your like, well,
that one's going not where he won, and it's you know,
it's funny to see.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Well, that's my enjoyment. Yeah, I've I can relate, you know,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
I'm not proud of it, but I have had some
damage to clubs in the past because of the errant shots.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, and so and obviously here the problem is, and
we'll we know this when a pro does it on TV.
Then the twelve year old child that's learning the game
hits a bad shot, he thinks he can do it
because Roy did. And I'm sure at some point Roy
will say, please don't do what I did.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
And if it was a PGA Tour event, he would
be fine for it, and he would have to pay
for the cost of that team marker, which is probably
fifty bucks or whatever. It is likely he doesn't have that,
but it's the message that he sends. But I think
anybody that's ever played golf, whether you've done it once
or done it recreationally, or you play every week, or

(10:44):
you're an avid golfer, you understand the frustration when you
think you're about to hit something good and then you don't,
and there's a microphone on every tea box and on
every green, and there's somebody that's following you, and all
the mics are hot, and you don't want to cut
us because that's going to go on TV and people
are going to think less of you.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
There's a lot of microscopes that are on you as
a professional golfer, even more so, I think than a
NBA or NFL player, not necessarily in terms of eyeballs
that are watching, but in terms of the silence that
you're playing in and the microphones that can pick up
virtually everything.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah. See that.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
That's another reason why Andy, why I don't pick up golf,
because let's just say, if I would happen to be
on on TV and those microphones are picking me up.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Let's just say that I would make a say a.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Little your your your anxiety level, it will be far
less if you never play. But then you're missing out
on a great game. Yeah, so there, and I have
to deal with you every day. So my anxiety levels and.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
The week that it's been Andy, my god, my anxiety level.
We we only for a couple hours yesterday, well more
than that, but uh no, it's you know what, We'll
see what happens. But I mean you were you've been
talking about it with with this course is it's a
very difficult course, and she's showing why she's tough.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I would love to play it.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I'd love to play at once, just to see what
I could do on it from a tee that's far further,
about a thousand yards further up than they're playing.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
So you can pull the Wilt Chamberlain and hold up
at one hundred because that's probably what.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
You would shoot.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Well, if I got to play it from sixty three
or sixty four hundred yards and the rough wasn't five inches,
maybe I could break ninety. But that would be But
the golf course that they're playing right now, listen, there's
a promo that they were running on US Open Radio,
and it said, if you're a ten handicap, there's no

(12:40):
way you can break a hundred. If you're a ten
handicap and you're actually going to play by the rules,
you're not breaking one hundred and twenty. I think a
scratch golfer, and I don't mean elite a college player,
because the college players are out there playing pretty well.
But if you're just a guy that goes out to
municipal golf course or your country club and shoots even
par every day, you're going to have struggle to be

(13:03):
somewhere between one hundred and ninety and one hundred and ninety.
You're probably going to be slightly over one hundred if
you have to put everything out on those greens.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
I mean, you conquered the old course, and you know
you were shooting.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I didn't conquer anything.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
You were to conquer your field from from sixty four
hundred yards sixty three hundred yards.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
And I was happy about that because that's the realm
in which I can play. This is another animal. This
actually the misses. If if I if I played Oakmont
the way I normally play, I would and not have spotters.
I would lose more golf balls than I would find. Nah,
you'd be all right.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
I mean you were battling thirty to forty fifty mile
an hour away.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Can you imagine if there was windy here.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
It hasn't been windy for two days, see exactly, you know,
and the win's supposed to pick up till like twelve tomorrow,
and they're they're they're going crazy about that.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Saying you have an advantage. So I'm saying no advantage.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I'm saying you would easily get to like seventy seven,
but here's no chance.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
So here's here's the deal. You have a five hundred
and ten yard par four. Okay, imagine to me, a
five hundred and ten yard hole is a par five.
I don't play golf on any golf course where there
is a five hundred yard anything that doesn't have a
par five on it. And so now a five hundred
yard hole if I smoke, smoke two shots perfectly, driver

(14:20):
three wood, driver seven wood, something like that, and I
have a little help with a wind and it's down
and it's well or or, But like if there's a
thirty mile an hour wind behind me, like there was
on a couple of holes in Scotland. Yes, I can
reach that green in two But if it's just if
I just hit my normal two hundred and sixty yard drive,
guess what, I still have two forty five left or
two fifty left.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
I'm not getting there in two shots.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I realize my limitations and so I'm gonna be putting
for a lot of pars. And the old Jack Nicklas
line is two things that don't last are are dogs
that chase cars and golfers who putt for pars. You're
gonna make a lot of others. And that's if I
shot under ninety on that golf course in any condition,

(15:02):
from any.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
T box, I would be pleased.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
And that's coming from you know, shooting seventy one last week,
which I was absolutely pleased with that too. So I
can shoot a low score on an easy golf course,
and my handicap is based on playing relatively easy golf courses.
That's why I think the handicapping system is flawed. There's
there's no way around it.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Some of the golf courses that I played in Scotland
are rated as easier than the ones I play here,
and there's no chance there's especially with the conditions.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
That you have, there's always a chance Andy, like I said,
when you shot eighty eight and conquered the Old Course,
would conquer anything, ever, on anything, with the disadvantages that
you had, and and maybe not the right equipment. You know,
you shot the wrong golf swing, the wrong golfing, you

(15:51):
still manage to get eighty eight on the old course.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Mant But see, see here's a problem.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I once shot seventy four at the old course, so
I've shot fourteen high. I shot the worst round I've
ever shot at the old course. Condition related, yes, but
it's still it's the old course is a pitching put
compared to Oakmont. All right, we got some basketball stuff
to get to. We've got Game four of the finals
coming up, and do you want Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
We'll talk about that next on the ticket
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