Monday: Hall of Fame Ballots

MLB Hall of Fame releases their next contenders.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
The ballot has gone out to those who get to
vote on the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I do not get to vote on that. I don't
think I ever will.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
But nonetheless, the Baseball Riders Association of America has sent
out a new people on the ballot this year. The
list includes Bobby Abrau, Carlos Beltron, Ryan Braun, Mark Burley,
Shin su Chew Edwin and Carlacione, Geo Gonzalez, Alex Gordon,
Cole Hamils Felix, Hernandez, Tory Hunter, Andrew Jones, Matt Kemp,

(00:35):
Howie Kendrick, Nick Markakis, Daniel Murphy, Dustin Pedroia Hunter, Pintce,
Andy pettitt, Rick Purcello, Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez, Francisco Rodriguez,
Jimmy Rollins, Chase Hutley, O, Marvis Scale, and David Wrights.
I would vote for King Felix, another Seattle product that
never got a lot of credit. I would definitely vote

(00:55):
for Manny Ramirez Alex Rodriguez. I don't care if it
was the steroid era. Everybody else was doing it too.
There were more that we're not doing it than that
were doing it. I think that that didn't get caught
that we know about. I think Jimmy Rollins deserves a look,
and I would certainly put Andy Pettitt in there. His
postseason stuff was really good and he won two hundred
and forty six games in an era where no one's

(01:17):
gonna win three hundred games.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
So you're not gonna put a Rod or Manny Ramirez
in there.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
No, I would.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
They're on my list, I miss. I would put Manny
Ramirez and a Rod in. Absolutely they belong in the
Hall of Thame.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I would throw in.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
I'm I'm partial to guys like Andrew Jones and Tory Hunter,
but those guys I think were more like bubble like this, I.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Think there in the Hall of very Good, not the Hall.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
And now there's like a four or five year period
where they were like among the best.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
I think Feeling Sernandez was really good and nobody realized
it because he was playing in Seattle and Jimmy Rollins
was was was pretty good for the Phillies for quite
a while, I think, and he may not get in
because there were others that were similarly good as he
is that are probably gonna get nods above him. But
Andy Pettitt is I mean Andy Pettit.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Took he's Eli Manning and baseball Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Well yeah, his postseason stuff overshadowed.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
But see, what's the How are we gonna judge pitchers
going forward when no one's ever going to pitch enough
to win three hundred games or even like two seventy five,
And I think his number is two forty six, and
he was lights out in the postseason, which I think
has to count for something to me, We're gonna have
a lot of people that are gonna have fewer wins
than he does and get into the Hall of Fame

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because the number that is considered necessary to get there
is gonna be two hundred wins.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
In the future, I would also throw Chase Utly.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
I feel like I would be okay with he played.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
He played with Ryan Howard and a lot of times
you play it alongside another Hall of Famer that can
overshadow you yourself. But a lot of people thought for
that time he was one of the best second basemen
in baseball. I don't think you mentioned Carlos Beltron, you know,
I guess you. I guess are you if you on
him as well?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
He's on the list. I'm kind of in the same
boat with a Hunter and Andrew Joe.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Okay, so he's among your very good guys, same as
Bobby Bobby Bray You was like one of the best
power for a long time in that same regard similar things.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
I just think King Felix is under He would have
already been in the in there, I think, or what
it well, I guess he's this is person mated.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
But yeah he was.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
But Ramirez, Rodriguez and Pettit to me are just absolutes.
I could be talked into or out of Rawlins and
Utley and I would put I would put Hernandez in
there too, Okay. Now, the contemporary era evaluates eight former
players whose greatest contributions came from nineteen eighty to now,
and these are the guys that have either left out

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for one reason or another. Bonds, Clemens, Carlos Delgado, Jeff Kent,
Don Manninglee Dale Murphy, Gary Sheffield, and Fernando Valezuela. So
I would definitely put Bonds and Clemens in. Both are
from the I've never had direct knowledge of this with
either one, but I know people who have, and both

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are not really good human beings.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
They're kind of jerks.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
But I've heard that a lot of about him as well.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, both Bonds and Clements, that they they think they
are in charge of the.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
World and the very like diva esque, very diva.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yes, that's why I've heard that's quectionally Clemens, but Bonds
is just just Bonds.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
But that isn't just discrap that.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
That doesn't make a difference as far as I'm concerned
with how good of players they are. And again, I
think they were pitching against or batting against pitchers that
were on steroids and never got caught. So and I
think from Bonds's standpoint in particular, it was well, I'll
look at I think from Bonds's standpoint, it was I'm
sick and tired of so said Maguire getting all the credit.

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And the only reason they're even in the same breath
with me is because they're cheating.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
So if we're all gonna cheat, then all cheat too.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
This is what cheating looks like when you get the
best baseball player I think, top ten baseball player of
all time in Barry Bonds.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah, I mean, though those two are definitely ones that
stand off in the list, I'm looking at the rest
of the guys and I had this, they had this
little thing next to him, like their career accomplishments.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
A guy that I always liked was Jeff Kent.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yes, and he got and he was protection for Bond, sure,
because he either hit up front of or behind Bonds.
And I think Jeff lives in New brom Files, has
a business in New brom Files.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
I think he's a local guy.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Is it bad that I didn't I didn't remember that
Don Mattingly wasn't already in.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
The Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well, you and me both. I was like, automatically not
in the Hall of Fame, he's not in baseball.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
And Gary Sheffield to me, kind of fits in that
same concept as Bobby of Bray.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
You were like he was very much the same with
Dale Murphy.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, I think I'm not saying Gary Sheffer wasn't a
good player.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
He was definitely one of the most dangerous bats in
baseball and like the two thousands, regardless, it's just to
me he was never I never really got I don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
I don't know you felt differently. I never felt elite
with him.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
I thought he was in the Hall of very good
God got quite in And I didn't know Vealezuela wasn't
in the Hall of Fame. I thought he should have
been in a long time ago. On the Clemens thing,
here's my thought with Clemens taking steroids in his later years, Right,
the things that Roger Clemens accomplished before he was thirty
three years old were Hall of Fame worthy and he's
being punished for. And the things that Barry Bonds did

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before he started taking steroids were also Hall of Fame worthy,
and we're we're holding them accountable and not putting them
in the Hall of Fame because we think that they
or they I think Clemens admitted it, but we think
that they took steroids at at advanced age so they
could play longer. And I think Bonds didn't care about
playing longer. He was just sick and tired of Kesoe,

(06:20):
said maguire, getting credit when he didn't think they were
half the baseball player that he was. And you talked
earlier about day Day Hunter, I'll do anything for my family,
and I said, yeah, there's other options than shaving points.
But I think with both the Clemens, especially, I think
he got to thirty five years old and was like, man,
I don't want to give this up. They're paying me

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a ridiculous amount of money, and I'm still pretty good,
but you know, I need a little bit of an edge.
And everybody else is cheating, or it wasn't even considered cheating.
Then everybody else was taking steroids, and it was it was,
you know, sticking an eel in your ear in the
locker room. Everybody knew it, and so I think that
he also did the same thing. It was like, I

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get a chance to play for two or three more
years and make thirty million dollars a year, and if
I have to take steroids to play for three more years,
it's worth it. And so I don't condone that. But again,
if you're not, if you're going to pass a rule
that says you can't take steroids and play, we're going
to test you, we're going to kick you out for
ady games, as they have since about twenty ten or

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whatever it is, then that's the rule.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
But there was never a rule that said you can't
do it.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
And so the Conseko did it, and Maguire did it,
and Sosa did it, and so did a whole lot
of people that nobody ever heard of. And they got
to stick around and make their money, and they're sitting
on Easy Street with the money in the bank, and
they're probably not going to be Hall of Famers, but
they're sitting there going I gained the system, I won,
and nobody ever suspected me of doing steroids, and I

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was doing them all the time. And to me, that's
the unfair part for those two guys, because they're numbers
before two thousand are Hall of Fame worthy, and they
were not doing steroids until at least two or three,
and Clemens a little bit later than that.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Last guy to mention was obviously you mentioned Del Murphy.
I never saw him play. My buddy's a lifelong Braves fan,
so he's one of those guys. Similar to how the
Cowboys have been saying, we want Darren Woods in the
Hall of Fame, he's kind of in that same regard.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I don't know much.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
I've never saw him play, so I can't really speak
to Del Murphy and why he should be in or not.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
I remember watching him play in the early eighties. I
think he was I think if he got in it
wouldn't be terrible, but I would not necessarily say yes,
he's the guy.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Well, it's like a legacy vote kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, that's how he gets in, is in that Veterans Committee.
And then they also will announce sometime in December of
January who wins the Ford Frick Award, which is the
lifetime achievement for broadcasters. And the former Yankees announcer John
Sterling is one of the highlighters, highlighted members on that list.
We'll see if he gets in or they pick somebody
else again. All right, one more segment to go. We

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wrap up the day next on the ticket