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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Keep listening. Thank you for being part of our show today.
Let's get into let's get into some Spurs discussion. I
think it was Windhorst or somebody that was on with
Doug today and he kept asking Kevin Durant question. And
it's pretty clear that Kevin Durant is going to be traded,
and he should be because Phoenix is in the same
boat that Milwaukee is, and Phoenix needs draft picks because
(00:31):
they've given them all away. And there's rumors that he's
going to Houston, there's rumors that he's coming to San Antonio,
Miami's in the mix, Cleveland's in the mix, back to Brooklyn,
maybe go to the Knicks, all these kind of things.
The one thing though, that I keep asking the question
when somebody says that he's going to go to a
certain destination, my first thought is does the other team
(00:56):
have salary players to match the number? If you're going
to for a fifty four million dollar player, the players
that you give up have to equal fifty four million
dollars or be within a certain percentage. I think it's
abound ten or fifteen percent in order for those contracts
to be considered in the trade. To be considered valid.
So I got to thinking, what if the Spurs don't
(01:16):
make a trade, they just stand pat with this lineup,
And this could be the potential lineup that the Spurs
have next year. You gonna have Deer and Fox, Steph
Castle and Vasel is a three guard backcourt or forward
if you want. Vssell and Castle play on the wings
most time. Most of the time when you look at
standard offense. And this goes back to my vast knowledge
(01:39):
of basketball and coaching, but I did play in a
pretty high competitive league once and I was told this
really hasn't changed. But the two and the three are
basically interchangeable in offense. It's who the bigger player has
to guard the bigger player defensively. But to have a
three guard backcourt of Vasel, Castle and Fox and a
(02:00):
court of Wimby and whoever you draft is your center,
maybe you are also maybe you draft in a center
at the fourteenth pick, and you take Harper at the
number two pick, and a bench that would include Barnes, Harper,
Bassie Champennee Calden Johnson in Sohan, now, I think that's
a pretty good eleven players. Now my question is does
(02:22):
that translate from thirty four to say fifty wins? Or
do you have to have a Kevin Durant if you
put Kevin Durant into this scenario as potential trade, And again,
the only way you can do it is to get
rid of players who equal that. And I can't figure
out any way unless you involve other teams that Devin
(02:43):
Vessel is not a part of that mix. So to
have a starting lineup of say fox Castle, a draft
pick that could be Barnes if you get to keep
the number two pick and then Wimby and Durant, which
team has a better chance of getting to that fifty
win plateau ain't put or trying to get to Kevin
Durant in the Spurs stead?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Are we also assuming boring no injuries whatsoever? We are
no injuries whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
We're saying that the only injuries are the load management
for two or three games per player.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I would say the current team that would be coming back,
that would be under contract have still have a better
shot of getting to that fifty win mark than adding
Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
No I did the I'll tell you what I did,
and you you have you are something, you have something
on that I did an NBA trade machine thing based
on obviously this year's numbers. It'll change in a month
when the new numbers come out, but an NBA trade
machine that would include sending Vasel to Phoenix and players
from other teams to get Kevin Durant. It actually made
(03:53):
the Spurs plus minus number go down by four.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I don't know how that algorithm works, but they said, yeah,
getting rid of and obviously you're getting rid of the
points that Vessel has per game and whatever other players
you put in there, and then you're adding the other
guy's points and in tangibles. See here's my thought on
having Durant on this team. Durant is a pretty good
three point shooter, and he's also a really good mid
(04:18):
range shooter. Yes, people underestimate the fact that Kevin Durant
can put it on the floor and dribble to the
elbow and make it most of the time. And yeah,
he can hit the three, probably more efficiently than Wimby can.
I think Fox and Castle are good. Well, one of
them is already a good three point shooter in Fox,
and I think Castle will be. And depending on who
you draft, you know you've got some interchangeable pieces here.
(04:42):
But the story that Bill Simmons put out is that
the Spurs would be able to keep the number two pick,
draft Dylan Harper to replace Chris Paul Bring, have a
backcourt of fox Castle and Harper, and then play Wimby
and Kevin Durant in the front court. But then that
that shortens your bench because then you've got Kelden Johnson
(05:03):
Champenny potentially the other player that you draft at Harrison Barnes.
So you're down to nine or ten, and so in
you're down to nine or ten instead of eleven. I
think it's a pretty interesting scenario. I would I've been
thinking about this when it was first brought up Kevin
Durant with the Spurs. I was like, no, he and
Wimby kind of do the same thing. But it's not
(05:26):
necessarily Twin Towers because Ralph Sampson, even though he should
have never left the post, or wanted to leave the
post all the time and didn't want the contact of
a post player when the original Twin Towers was happening,
or you look at David and Tim when they played together,
you basically had two low post players. I think with
Wimby and Kevin Durant on the same roster. You have
(05:48):
two players that play facing the basket, and I think
you can do that much more efficiently offensively, and we
know what Wimby can do defensively. I think I'm leaning
towards wanting Kevin Durant, but I don't think it's gonna
be that far off if they don't go get it.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I would only I would only be on the side
of getting getting Kevin Durant because it's it would only
be for one year, because it's only the fifty four
million for one year on the books, and then after that, if,
barring for whatever reason, they're not in playoff contention, then
(06:26):
you can move off of him.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
You can trade him at the trade downline. Yeah. But
but here's the other dilemma. If you get Kevin Durant,
and you can and it's a one year thing, and
you win, and now you've got to resign him, there's
gonna be a lot of people that are upset if
you win a championship with Durant and Wimby and Wimby's
(06:49):
third year and Durant comes here, and then you throw
in Fox and Castle and the draft pick and and
whoever else you put on that in that in that lineup, Now,
all of a sudden, if you don't re sign Kevin Durant,
and assuming Kevin Durant wants to stay, and I would
think he would want to stay after winning. If he
decides to stay and you want to stay, now you're
(07:10):
paying him sixty sixty five million dollars, can you still
do that? That becomes now you're starting to he'll want
a three year extension. And now you're starting to infringe
on Wimby's eventual max contract at some point. Yeah, that's
and you're already gonna be You're about to sign Deer
and Fox to one this summer, So you're doing Fox
(07:30):
and then you're doing then you're potentially doing Durant in
twenty six and Wimby in twenty seven or twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And then and the Castle Castle comes up.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
So it's not for the meager as far as spending
money is concerned. But I find this pretty interesting that
and this is one of the things I think that
the Spurs have always done a good job with is yeah,
we want this guy, but we don't want him for
one year, and how much we're gonna have to pay
him in years two, three, and four. Now, if you
do the honest thing, you know exactly what he's going
to be making. He's on the book for three more seasons,
(08:01):
so it's a three year contract you're inheriting with him,
whereas with Durant it's only one.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah. I just I think the team right now is set.
The you know, the core is pretty set. Obviously. They
they have the piece with Wemby. You have Dearon Fox,
who is going to be the second or on you
know any given night can be the number one in
(08:27):
scoring as well. You have already established scorers with Devin Vassel,
with a Harrison Barnes coming off the bench, a Keldon Johnson,
and then you have Steph Castle where we know he
can score as well. Again, the scoring is not an
issue for this team. It was three point shooting and
(08:49):
it was defense. It was weak side rebounding. Go get
me Steven Adams, go get me Jackson Hayes, Go get
me Mason plumb Lee. That's all I need. I need
a veteran big guy or and a cheap big guy,
which Mason Plumbley who's an older guy from Phoenix, or
Jackson Hayes former Longhorn played for the place for the Lakers.
(09:12):
JJ Reddick didn't know how to use them. I just
need a guy to go rebound and block shots, and
that's what those two guys can do. If you want
the veteran presence of a locker room, you go get
Steven Adams and he's not.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Gonna cost you much million, twelve million, ten million.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Maybe, Yeah, that's that's all you need. And then if
you do decide to use the pick for two to
get Dylan Harper, then I'm fine. And then at fourteen,
if Malawatch is still there, if Queen is still there,
there's your or Canipple, there's your backup. There's your you know,
if if it's if it's Malawatch or Queen, there's your
backup four or five that can learn. See.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
One of the things I'm liking from watching these finals
is that, especially Oklahoma City and to a certain extent Indiana,
they're playing more guys.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
That's this playing goes against everything that you said, right,
you hate it in the playoffs where it's like they
go down to seven.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Or eight players, Tom, Yeah, Yeah. The teams that are
actually winning are the guys that have a bench that
when SGA goes to the bench, the league doesn't evaporate. Yeah,
it's amazing, crazy, right, I've never been a fan of
Tibbs playing seven guys.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, but yet that's what you keep saying.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
You're like, hey, I'm just saying that's what coaches do. Yeah,
and I'm not saying it's right. But look at look
at the Spurs when they won championships and deep they
were ten deep, but they were kind of nine deep
in the play in playoff games because usually Gary Neal
wouldn't get as many minutes, or if they did, it
was a very short it was a you know, instead
of him playing thirty two minutes, he played thirty nine.
(10:44):
So whoever backed him up was only getting ten minutes
and not twelve or fifteen.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But they were productive minutes. Yes, it wasn't just hey,
we're going to toss him out there and we know
it's going to be a liability, right.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
You can't. And that's the thing that TIBs had with
New York is I'm not playing that guy over there.
We're up fifteen, will be down fifteen before I can
get him off the floor. Yeah, So that's always a
key there, all right. We have an interesting matchup in
this play in this NBA Finals with Shay and Halliburton.
But there's a lot of people that think that this
basketball isn't fun basketball, and it goes back to the
(11:17):
standard that I've been talking about for a while. It's
drama less. We'll discuss that next. It's the Indie Everage
show on the ticket
Keep listening. Thank you for being part of our show today.
Let's get into let's get into some Spurs discussion. I
think it was Windhorst or somebody that was on with
Doug today and he kept asking Kevin Durant question. And
it's pretty clear that Kevin Durant is going to be traded,
and he should be because Phoenix is in the same
boat that Milwaukee is, and Phoenix needs draft picks because
(00:31):
they've given them all away. And there's rumors that he's
going to Houston, there's rumors that he's coming to San Antonio,
Miami's in the mix, Cleveland's in the mix, back to Brooklyn,
maybe go to the Knicks, all these kind of things.
The one thing though, that I keep asking the question
when somebody says that he's going to go to a
certain destination, my first thought is does the other team
(00:56):
have salary players to match the number? If you're going
to for a fifty four million dollar player, the players
that you give up have to equal fifty four million
dollars or be within a certain percentage. I think it's
abound ten or fifteen percent in order for those contracts
to be considered in the trade. To be considered valid.
So I got to thinking, what if the Spurs don't
(01:16):
make a trade, they just stand pat with this lineup,
And this could be the potential lineup that the Spurs
have next year. You gonna have Deer and Fox, Steph
Castle and Vasel is a three guard backcourt or forward
if you want. Vssell and Castle play on the wings
most time. Most of the time when you look at
standard offense. And this goes back to my vast knowledge
(01:39):
of basketball and coaching, but I did play in a
pretty high competitive league once and I was told this
really hasn't changed. But the two and the three are
basically interchangeable in offense. It's who the bigger player has
to guard the bigger player defensively. But to have a
three guard backcourt of Vasel, Castle and Fox and a
(02:00):
court of Wimby and whoever you draft is your center,
maybe you are also maybe you draft in a center
at the fourteenth pick, and you take Harper at the
number two pick, and a bench that would include Barnes, Harper,
Bassie Champennee Calden Johnson in Sohan, now, I think that's
a pretty good eleven players. Now my question is does
(02:22):
that translate from thirty four to say fifty wins? Or
do you have to have a Kevin Durant if you
put Kevin Durant into this scenario as potential trade, And again,
the only way you can do it is to get
rid of players who equal that. And I can't figure
out any way unless you involve other teams that Devin
(02:43):
Vessel is not a part of that mix. So to
have a starting lineup of say fox Castle, a draft
pick that could be Barnes if you get to keep
the number two pick and then Wimby and Durant, which
team has a better chance of getting to that fifty
win plateau ain't put or trying to get to Kevin
Durant in the Spurs stead?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Are we also assuming boring no injuries whatsoever? We are
no injuries whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
We're saying that the only injuries are the load management
for two or three games per player.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I would say the current team that would be coming back,
that would be under contract have still have a better
shot of getting to that fifty win mark than adding
Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
No I did the I'll tell you what I did,
and you you have you are something, you have something
on that I did an NBA trade machine thing based
on obviously this year's numbers. It'll change in a month
when the new numbers come out, but an NBA trade
machine that would include sending Vasel to Phoenix and players
from other teams to get Kevin Durant. It actually made
(03:53):
the Spurs plus minus number go down by four.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I don't know how that algorithm works, but they said, yeah,
getting rid of and obviously you're getting rid of the
points that Vessel has per game and whatever other players
you put in there, and then you're adding the other
guy's points and in tangibles. See here's my thought on
having Durant on this team. Durant is a pretty good
three point shooter, and he's also a really good mid
(04:18):
range shooter. Yes, people underestimate the fact that Kevin Durant
can put it on the floor and dribble to the
elbow and make it most of the time. And yeah,
he can hit the three, probably more efficiently than Wimby can.
I think Fox and Castle are good. Well, one of
them is already a good three point shooter in Fox,
and I think Castle will be. And depending on who
you draft, you know you've got some interchangeable pieces here.
(04:42):
But the story that Bill Simmons put out is that
the Spurs would be able to keep the number two pick,
draft Dylan Harper to replace Chris Paul Bring, have a
backcourt of fox Castle and Harper, and then play Wimby
and Kevin Durant in the front court. But then that
that shortens your bench because then you've got Kelden Johnson
(05:03):
Champenny potentially the other player that you draft at Harrison Barnes.
So you're down to nine or ten, and so in
you're down to nine or ten instead of eleven. I
think it's a pretty interesting scenario. I would I've been
thinking about this when it was first brought up Kevin
Durant with the Spurs. I was like, no, he and
Wimby kind of do the same thing. But it's not
(05:26):
necessarily Twin Towers because Ralph Sampson, even though he should
have never left the post, or wanted to leave the
post all the time and didn't want the contact of
a post player when the original Twin Towers was happening,
or you look at David and Tim when they played together,
you basically had two low post players. I think with
Wimby and Kevin Durant on the same roster. You have
(05:48):
two players that play facing the basket, and I think
you can do that much more efficiently offensively, and we
know what Wimby can do defensively. I think I'm leaning
towards wanting Kevin Durant, but I don't think it's gonna
be that far off if they don't go get it.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I would only I would only be on the side
of getting getting Kevin Durant because it's it would only
be for one year, because it's only the fifty four
million for one year on the books, and then after that, if,
barring for whatever reason, they're not in playoff contention, then
(06:26):
you can move off of him.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
You can trade him at the trade downline. Yeah. But
but here's the other dilemma. If you get Kevin Durant,
and you can and it's a one year thing, and
you win, and now you've got to resign him, there's
gonna be a lot of people that are upset if
you win a championship with Durant and Wimby and Wimby's
(06:49):
third year and Durant comes here, and then you throw
in Fox and Castle and the draft pick and and
whoever else you put on that in that in that lineup, Now,
all of a sudden, if you don't re sign Kevin Durant,
and assuming Kevin Durant wants to stay, and I would
think he would want to stay after winning. If he
decides to stay and you want to stay, now you're
(07:10):
paying him sixty sixty five million dollars, can you still
do that? That becomes now you're starting to he'll want
a three year extension. And now you're starting to infringe
on Wimby's eventual max contract at some point. Yeah, that's
and you're already gonna be You're about to sign Deer
and Fox to one this summer, So you're doing Fox
(07:30):
and then you're doing then you're potentially doing Durant in
twenty six and Wimby in twenty seven or twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And then and the Castle Castle comes up.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
So it's not for the meager as far as spending
money is concerned. But I find this pretty interesting that
and this is one of the things I think that
the Spurs have always done a good job with is yeah,
we want this guy, but we don't want him for
one year, and how much we're gonna have to pay
him in years two, three, and four. Now, if you
do the honest thing, you know exactly what he's going
to be making. He's on the book for three more seasons,
(08:01):
so it's a three year contract you're inheriting with him,
whereas with Durant it's only one.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah. I just I think the team right now is set.
The you know, the core is pretty set. Obviously. They
they have the piece with Wemby. You have Dearon Fox,
who is going to be the second or on you
know any given night can be the number one in
(08:27):
scoring as well. You have already established scorers with Devin Vassel,
with a Harrison Barnes coming off the bench, a Keldon Johnson,
and then you have Steph Castle where we know he
can score as well. Again, the scoring is not an
issue for this team. It was three point shooting and
(08:49):
it was defense. It was weak side rebounding. Go get
me Steven Adams, go get me Jackson Hayes, Go get
me Mason plumb Lee. That's all I need. I need
a veteran big guy or and a cheap big guy,
which Mason Plumbley who's an older guy from Phoenix, or
Jackson Hayes former Longhorn played for the place for the Lakers.
(09:12):
JJ Reddick didn't know how to use them. I just
need a guy to go rebound and block shots, and
that's what those two guys can do. If you want
the veteran presence of a locker room, you go get
Steven Adams and he's not.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Gonna cost you much million, twelve million, ten million.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Maybe, Yeah, that's that's all you need. And then if
you do decide to use the pick for two to
get Dylan Harper, then I'm fine. And then at fourteen,
if Malawatch is still there, if Queen is still there,
there's your or Canipple, there's your backup. There's your you know,
if if it's if it's Malawatch or Queen, there's your
backup four or five that can learn. See.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
One of the things I'm liking from watching these finals
is that, especially Oklahoma City and to a certain extent Indiana,
they're playing more guys.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
That's this playing goes against everything that you said, right,
you hate it in the playoffs where it's like they
go down to seven.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Or eight players, Tom, Yeah, Yeah. The teams that are
actually winning are the guys that have a bench that
when SGA goes to the bench, the league doesn't evaporate. Yeah,
it's amazing, crazy, right, I've never been a fan of
Tibbs playing seven guys.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, but yet that's what you keep saying.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
You're like, hey, I'm just saying that's what coaches do. Yeah,
and I'm not saying it's right. But look at look
at the Spurs when they won championships and deep they
were ten deep, but they were kind of nine deep
in the play in playoff games because usually Gary Neal
wouldn't get as many minutes, or if they did, it
was a very short it was a you know, instead
of him playing thirty two minutes, he played thirty nine.
(10:44):
So whoever backed him up was only getting ten minutes
and not twelve or fifteen.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But they were productive minutes. Yes, it wasn't just hey,
we're going to toss him out there and we know
it's going to be a liability, right.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
You can't. And that's the thing that TIBs had with
New York is I'm not playing that guy over there.
We're up fifteen, will be down fifteen before I can
get him off the floor. Yeah, So that's always a
key there, all right. We have an interesting matchup in
this play in this NBA Finals with Shay and Halliburton.
But there's a lot of people that think that this
basketball isn't fun basketball, and it goes back to the
(11:17):
standard that I've been talking about for a while. It's
drama less. We'll discuss that next. It's the Indie Everage
show on the ticket
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