June 11, 2025 • 9 mins
College basketball could be going to quarters instead of half’s.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Earlier today, I got a Sham's report and it came
actually Shane saw it first and send it to us.
And it has to do with some headway being made
and changing college basketball's rules. I've always been a believer
that if you don't adapt to things, you know, it's
(00:24):
the adapter to diye thing. And college basketball is hierarchy
for many, many years, has been dead set on playing halves,
playing with the one and one having seventeen foulsand you
shoot the one in one. And the women's basketball switched
that about seven, I guess ten years ago now twenty fifteen, sixteen,
(00:45):
I believe is when they first started doing it, and
it's been a big difference in women's basketball. And I
think in college basketball, especially against teams that are not
very good, and especially in some of the weaker conferences,
and this certainly that was the case women's basketball. You
have a lot of fouling early in the game, and
so you're in the one and one with fourteen minutes
(01:06):
to go in the half, and you're in the double
bonus with eleven or twelve minutes to go in the half,
and it's a constant parade of the free throw line.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Whereas with quarters.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You can do what the WNBA and the NBA do,
and you have at the fifth foulure automatically in the bonus,
and you eliminate the one in one. All foul shots
are two shots, whether you're fouled in the act or
fouled as a common foul. After five fouls, it becomes
a one in one and the only other thing would
(01:36):
be the and one when you make a basket and score.
So I'm a big time fan of going to quarters.
Men's college basketball is the only basketball played on this
planet that still plays halfs or does play as ever
played in halves. I think the thirty second shot clock
will stay thirty seconds. There has been a ground swell
(01:56):
in the past to go to twenty four. That means
more shots, but it also means more bad shots because
when you see a college basketball offense being run, and
this happens in the NBA, you have one opportunity to
get into a set. You get into the set and
it doesn't work, and then you reverse the ball and
go back up to the top and start over. In
college basketball, you can do that. That's extra six seconds.
(02:18):
Lets you do that. In the NBA, you run a
set if it doesn't work. You're in one on one
and you're trying to create, and there's teams that like
to pressure you so that you get into the front
court with say seventeen or eighteen on the well twenty
one on the clock, but you really don't get into
your offense until there's sixteen or seventeen on the clock,
Where that would give you fewer seconds to get into
(02:40):
the offense. I think you would just have more bad
offense in college basketball if the clock went to twenty four,
I'd be fine with experimenting with it, but I'm okay
with the thirty second clock where it is right now.
But here are some of the things that would also
be happening. We would have a lot fewer coaches calling
defensive timeouts to set your play, because if you're behind
in the game, you want to reserve your timeout so
(03:02):
you can advance the ball to the twenty eight foot
hash mark. In the last minute of the game. In
the NBA, i think it's the last two minutes. In
the WNBA and a women's basketball it's the last minute
of the game. I think that creates some exciting finishes.
Somebody hits a shot on you with two seconds to
go in the game and goes up by one, two
or three, game's over. You may want, out of every
(03:23):
hundred games, hit a half court shot to tight or
win it. But yeah, but again, one out of one
hundred games that happens that way.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Hey, Tyrese Halliburton's done in three streets.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, but they had but they had fourteen seconds to
go when they got the ball. They scored with three
tenths of a second. But it wasn't They didn't Oklahomas,
they didn't score with three seconds to go or two
seconds to go, and you're out of timeouts and you
have to inbound from the ninety four foot line. In
the pros, they want excitement and entertainment, and this is
what college basketball has become. So and I'm not a
(03:57):
big fan of the defensive timeout. I've never thought the
clock stops in the last minute of the game. Anyway,
What do you need to call a timeout for after
you score to quote unquote set your defense, get your button,
know that there's urgency, get your defense set, make the
other team do something crazy. Don't give them a time
out to drop a play the inbound. The basketball and
coaches would save their timeouts for advancement.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
There's also going to be time limits apparently on the
review play referees have a certain amount of time to
make a decision, and if they can't make a decision
after a certain amount of time, whatever they call it stands.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I mean, that's been around for quite some time. Remember
when they started doing that in the NFL. Originally it
was they had once they went under the little canopy
the hood thing. It was like, all right, they had
ninety seconds or two minutes, and then after that time
limit ran out, the pitcher would just turn off. Yeah,
that doesn't happen anymore. It's we have five five minute
(04:54):
thousand cameras. Yeah, five minute reviews.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So I think they're going to go to coaches to
challenges like they have in the NBA. You have to
call a time out to get a coach's challenge. If
you're right, you retain your time out, and if you don't,
you lose your timeout.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The one thought there's one thing.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Though, that the TV the folks are concerned about because
when women's basketball went to this, they lost a time
out per half. In the old days, both men and
women and men still had TV timeouts or media timeouts.
Under sixteen, under twelve, under eight, under four, and in
the second half the same thing, plus the first called
timeout was a media timeout. And when women's basketball was switched,
(05:35):
they lost a first half and a second half timeout
because now they take one under the five minute mark
of the first half, the end of quarter, and then
under the five minute mark of the second quarter, and
so they've lost a break in there.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, they can just do.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
What the WNBA has done and if you want that
time out back, and what I think the men would
do is your timeouts would be under six in the
first quarter, at the end of the quarter would be too.
The second quarter would have two timeouts at the seven
and three minute marks, and then the end of the
half would be your your fifth one, just like it
(06:10):
is now where and then in the second half you
do the same thing. Plus the first call timeout would
also get you the media timeouts that you need.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
You're hurting people's brains right now trying to talk.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
It's really what the NBA used to do. The NBA
had it when they used to give you seven timeouts.
Now I think you only get six, but you listen.
You may not like TV timeouts, but they're mandatory. You
cannot you cannot give.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
What pays the bill.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It absolutely does.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, and coaches want those timeouts because then they can
keep the ones that they have in their pocket for
the end of game scenarios, or as we have it now,
they're user lose it time out in the first half.
You're given four timeouts a game, but you can only
take three to the second half, and if you and
and I think in women's basketball, you can only take
two to the fourth quarter. So you're encouraged to use
(06:58):
those timeouts if you think you need them at some point.
The one rule that I absolutely love though, is continuation.
This would allow teams to make a good offensive play
to get the end one when the player continues into
the move. If you put the ball on the floor
after your foul, then you don't get the continuation. But
(07:18):
if you continue with your body and your motion going
up and you're foult on your way to the basket,
there's a very definitive line in college basketball these days
where they don't give you the end one. They would
be more liberal with that rule, and I think that
would be fantastic.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Now Vegas is just sitting there rubbing their hands together,
doing the mister burns impression like excident. You know, more money,
you know, more higher scoring, better for I spread.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But see, I think what has happened is the women's
basketball when they switch this, the length of game changed
by about twenty five minutes. I think the time ballage
the women's college basketball before before they had that, when
they were halves, was about a two hour and five
minute game, and since they went to halves, it's about
(08:08):
an hour and forty minute game on the average. And
we're all, you know, have attention deficits issues these days.
So the sooner that we can get the games over
apparently the better. I don't know what you know, if
you went to a game, what's twenty minutes. I mean,
I'm fine with sitting there another twenty minutes, but apparently
there's some people that you know, have to go to
(08:30):
dinner or whatever in that twenty minute.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I'll sit there and watch a four hour basketball game,
five hour game.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I'll watch a five hour baseball game in May. I
don't care.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I might call it though after after like maybe
I went to fifteen you know, I might call it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I went to a Yankees Astros game the last day
of the season. I think it was twenty nineteen or
twenty eighteen, somewhere around there.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Let's see, it's still not craig Ways twenty seven inning.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
No, but but well, but the Craigway twenty seven inning
game was compelling, and I think it was a tournament game,
wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It was an exciting game.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
This game I went to was the last day of
the regular season and neither team was going to be
in the playoffs. And it went to fourteen innings, and
in the fifteenth inning, I said, we're done.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I'm out of here. I'm not I'm not watching anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
They had players that were playing that were on double
A and triple A and deep on the forty man roster.
All right, let's get to us open picks. We'll do
that next. It's the Andy Average show on the ticket
Earlier today, I got a Sham's report and it came
actually Shane saw it first and send it to us.
And it has to do with some headway being made
and changing college basketball's rules. I've always been a believer
that if you don't adapt to things, you know, it's
(00:24):
the adapter to diye thing. And college basketball is hierarchy
for many, many years, has been dead set on playing halves,
playing with the one and one having seventeen foulsand you
shoot the one in one. And the women's basketball switched
that about seven, I guess ten years ago now twenty fifteen, sixteen,
(00:45):
I believe is when they first started doing it, and
it's been a big difference in women's basketball. And I
think in college basketball, especially against teams that are not
very good, and especially in some of the weaker conferences,
and this certainly that was the case women's basketball. You
have a lot of fouling early in the game, and
so you're in the one and one with fourteen minutes
(01:06):
to go in the half, and you're in the double
bonus with eleven or twelve minutes to go in the half,
and it's a constant parade of the free throw line.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Whereas with quarters.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You can do what the WNBA and the NBA do,
and you have at the fifth foulure automatically in the bonus,
and you eliminate the one in one. All foul shots
are two shots, whether you're fouled in the act or
fouled as a common foul. After five fouls, it becomes
a one in one and the only other thing would
(01:36):
be the and one when you make a basket and score.
So I'm a big time fan of going to quarters.
Men's college basketball is the only basketball played on this
planet that still plays halfs or does play as ever
played in halves. I think the thirty second shot clock
will stay thirty seconds. There has been a ground swell
(01:56):
in the past to go to twenty four. That means
more shots, but it also means more bad shots because
when you see a college basketball offense being run, and
this happens in the NBA, you have one opportunity to
get into a set. You get into the set and
it doesn't work, and then you reverse the ball and
go back up to the top and start over. In
college basketball, you can do that. That's extra six seconds.
(02:18):
Lets you do that. In the NBA, you run a
set if it doesn't work. You're in one on one
and you're trying to create, and there's teams that like
to pressure you so that you get into the front
court with say seventeen or eighteen on the well twenty
one on the clock, but you really don't get into
your offense until there's sixteen or seventeen on the clock,
Where that would give you fewer seconds to get into
(02:40):
the offense. I think you would just have more bad
offense in college basketball if the clock went to twenty four,
I'd be fine with experimenting with it, but I'm okay
with the thirty second clock where it is right now.
But here are some of the things that would also
be happening. We would have a lot fewer coaches calling
defensive timeouts to set your play, because if you're behind
in the game, you want to reserve your timeout so
(03:02):
you can advance the ball to the twenty eight foot
hash mark. In the last minute of the game. In
the NBA, i think it's the last two minutes. In
the WNBA and a women's basketball it's the last minute
of the game. I think that creates some exciting finishes.
Somebody hits a shot on you with two seconds to
go in the game and goes up by one, two
or three, game's over. You may want, out of every
(03:23):
hundred games, hit a half court shot to tight or
win it. But yeah, but again, one out of one
hundred games that happens that way.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Hey, Tyrese Halliburton's done in three streets.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, but they had but they had fourteen seconds to
go when they got the ball. They scored with three
tenths of a second. But it wasn't They didn't Oklahomas,
they didn't score with three seconds to go or two
seconds to go, and you're out of timeouts and you
have to inbound from the ninety four foot line. In
the pros, they want excitement and entertainment, and this is
what college basketball has become. So and I'm not a
(03:57):
big fan of the defensive timeout. I've never thought the
clock stops in the last minute of the game. Anyway,
What do you need to call a timeout for after
you score to quote unquote set your defense, get your button,
know that there's urgency, get your defense set, make the
other team do something crazy. Don't give them a time
out to drop a play the inbound. The basketball and
coaches would save their timeouts for advancement.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
There's also going to be time limits apparently on the
review play referees have a certain amount of time to
make a decision, and if they can't make a decision
after a certain amount of time, whatever they call it stands.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I mean, that's been around for quite some time. Remember
when they started doing that in the NFL. Originally it
was they had once they went under the little canopy
the hood thing. It was like, all right, they had
ninety seconds or two minutes, and then after that time
limit ran out, the pitcher would just turn off. Yeah,
that doesn't happen anymore. It's we have five five minute
(04:54):
thousand cameras. Yeah, five minute reviews.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So I think they're going to go to coaches to
challenges like they have in the NBA. You have to
call a time out to get a coach's challenge. If
you're right, you retain your time out, and if you don't,
you lose your timeout.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The one thought there's one thing.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Though, that the TV the folks are concerned about because
when women's basketball went to this, they lost a time
out per half. In the old days, both men and
women and men still had TV timeouts or media timeouts.
Under sixteen, under twelve, under eight, under four, and in
the second half the same thing, plus the first called
timeout was a media timeout. And when women's basketball was switched,
(05:35):
they lost a first half and a second half timeout
because now they take one under the five minute mark
of the first half, the end of quarter, and then
under the five minute mark of the second quarter, and
so they've lost a break in there.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Well, they can just do.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
What the WNBA has done and if you want that
time out back, and what I think the men would
do is your timeouts would be under six in the
first quarter, at the end of the quarter would be too.
The second quarter would have two timeouts at the seven
and three minute marks, and then the end of the
half would be your your fifth one, just like it
(06:10):
is now where and then in the second half you
do the same thing. Plus the first call timeout would
also get you the media timeouts that you need.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
You're hurting people's brains right now trying to talk.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
It's really what the NBA used to do. The NBA
had it when they used to give you seven timeouts.
Now I think you only get six, but you listen.
You may not like TV timeouts, but they're mandatory. You
cannot you cannot give.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
What pays the bill.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It absolutely does.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, and coaches want those timeouts because then they can
keep the ones that they have in their pocket for
the end of game scenarios, or as we have it now,
they're user lose it time out in the first half.
You're given four timeouts a game, but you can only
take three to the second half, and if you and
and I think in women's basketball, you can only take
two to the fourth quarter. So you're encouraged to use
(06:58):
those timeouts if you think you need them at some point.
The one rule that I absolutely love though, is continuation.
This would allow teams to make a good offensive play
to get the end one when the player continues into
the move. If you put the ball on the floor
after your foul, then you don't get the continuation. But
(07:18):
if you continue with your body and your motion going
up and you're foult on your way to the basket,
there's a very definitive line in college basketball these days
where they don't give you the end one. They would
be more liberal with that rule, and I think that
would be fantastic.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Now Vegas is just sitting there rubbing their hands together,
doing the mister burns impression like excident. You know, more money,
you know, more higher scoring, better for I spread.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But see, I think what has happened is the women's
basketball when they switch this, the length of game changed
by about twenty five minutes. I think the time ballage
the women's college basketball before before they had that, when
they were halves, was about a two hour and five
minute game, and since they went to halves, it's about
(08:08):
an hour and forty minute game on the average. And
we're all, you know, have attention deficits issues these days.
So the sooner that we can get the games over
apparently the better. I don't know what you know, if
you went to a game, what's twenty minutes. I mean,
I'm fine with sitting there another twenty minutes, but apparently
there's some people that you know, have to go to
(08:30):
dinner or whatever in that twenty minute.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I'll sit there and watch a four hour basketball game,
five hour game.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I'll watch a five hour baseball game in May. I
don't care.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I might call it though after after like maybe
I went to fifteen you know, I might call it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I went to a Yankees Astros game the last day
of the season. I think it was twenty nineteen or
twenty eighteen, somewhere around there.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Let's see, it's still not craig Ways twenty seven inning.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
No, but but well, but the Craigway twenty seven inning
game was compelling, and I think it was a tournament game,
wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It was an exciting game.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
This game I went to was the last day of
the regular season and neither team was going to be
in the playoffs. And it went to fourteen innings, and
in the fifteenth inning, I said, we're done.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I'm out of here. I'm not I'm not watching anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
They had players that were playing that were on double
A and triple A and deep on the forty man roster.
All right, let's get to us open picks. We'll do
that next. It's the Andy Average show on the ticket
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