June 11, 2025 • 10 mins
New York is denied by more teams to interview for their open head coach position.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
The New York Knicks asked both Minnesota and Dallas if
they could talk to their coaches, Jason Kidd and Chris
Finch about coming to New York, as well as Houston.
They asked Houston also, and so all three have said no.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
They They didn't just say no, Andy, they they said
a resounding FCC word, no.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yes, you you cannot talk to any of those guys.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
You can talk to him, you cannot pass. Go, do
not cry.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
So here's the deal. You decided to fire Tom Thibodeau,
and then you decide, well, who are we going to
go get? Why didn't you already have this in mind
before you fired him? If he is such a bad
coach and he's the reason why you're not in the
NBA finals, and he's the reason why you think you
need change, why did you move off of him before
(00:56):
you knew who you were going to go get. Now,
you're just like I said in the in the t's
ready fire Aim. You did not have a plan. This
is the problem with a lot of teams in professional sports,
and it's teams that notoriously underachieve. The New England Patriots
when Bill, when Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft and Tom
(01:17):
Brady were there, didn't do this. The Spurs have never
made a roster move or a coach move without a plan.
Everything has to have a plan before you set you
execute the move. And now the New York Knicks are
going to have to go find somebody. And I'll guarantee
(01:40):
you every player on the team is thinking, who's going
to coach us, who's going to be our leader? We
followed TIBs for the last few years, we built you know,
Villanova North. All of those things are are in play.
What's our plan? Are we going to go get Kevin Durant?
Are we going to go after Giannis? What are we
going to try to do to get better? We dismounted
to our team to get Karl Anthony Towns and gave
(02:03):
away some good players. We gave away all of our
draft picks for bridges. What's the plan? And ownership and
management does not have one. I'm not sure whether it
was Bob Dolan or if it was Leon Rose that
made the decision to move off of Tips, But whoever
it was, it was bad general managership or bad ownership,
because you needed to have a plan before you decided
(02:26):
what you were going to do and obviously they thought
that everybody would say yes and that they would be
able to trade a draft pick or something like that
to one of those teams in order to secure the coach. Sorry,
we like Chris Finch in Minnesota. Sorry, we like Emay
and Houston, and we like Jason in Dallas. So now
(02:47):
who to the New York Knicks go after? And that
is a very big to be determined, because if you
wanted Taylor Jenkins, our Mike Budd or Michael Malone, you
would have hired them with your first choice, not your fourth.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And some of the ones that I've seen pop up
is Mike Brown, you know, the the Sacramento Kings. Again,
not your first choice. Yeah, not your first choice. I
whoever they take at this point, you're not gonna go
get Michael Malone because that's basically just moving perpendicular to
Tom Thibodeau. It's it's to to the only difference is
(03:21):
that that Michael Malone has an NBA championship thanks to
to Jokic. It would not surprise me, Andy if they
go do something like uh like go and higher somebody
that's been part of the family. You know, I've I've
heard Mark Jackson, you know, pop up a couple of times.
I've even heard, as stupid as it sounds, Steve Nash.
(03:44):
You know, Steve Nash had a cup of coffee with
the with the nets. Did he ever play for the Knicks?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
No? But Mark Jackson did, Ye, Mark Jackson did. But
but what the point is is that you're fishing. You're
fishing in a stream with no fish in the pond,
and now you're trying to You should have just kept
Thibodeau if you weren't going to get to who you
really wanted. Oh you want Jason Kidd, Sorry, he's under contract.
(04:10):
Oh you want Chris manch Oh you want he May?
Who do you want? Do you want somebody else to
come out of retirement and coach your team? I don't
get the idea, And it's I don't really care whether
the Knicks win a championship or not, but the league does.
The league would like for New York to break a
fifty three year drought of not winning. Having a New
(04:31):
York team in the finals is good for business in
the NBA, and yet for most of the last fifty
three years, the Knicks have underachieved, and it's because of
bad management that we don't see on teams that consistently achieve.
Why has Boston achieved success in the last several years.
Brad Stevens and whoever Brad Stevens is hired, Brad Stevens
(04:53):
has got it figured out. If you look at Indiana, yeah,
they were the fourth best team this year, but they
have it figured out in the front office. They've got
good ownership and good management. And the Spurs do as
good a job with that as anybody else does as well.
So here we go again with another organization that wants
to blame the coach wants to blame things that or
(05:15):
and and point the finger at things instead of pointing
at themselves. And I understand that Bob Dolan's been away
for a while building the sphere and laws in Vegas.
Jim Dowen is a Jim James Dollon. Yeah, James Dollan,
So yeah and and uh and so he's here we
go another situation. And the Knicks have a good enough
enough good players where they'll probably be the fourth or
(05:38):
fifth best team, if not better, next year when the
playoffs roll around. But that does not get them a
step closer. And it constantly amazes me how people who
are uber successful in their life in one business don't
know how to carry it to the next one when
they become an owner of a professional team.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Here, here's where I think they're probably gonna wind up
going is they're gonna try to pillage whatever whatever team
winds up winning the title this year, pillage one of
their coaching staffs. I don't know who's second in command
for for the Thunder, but some of their assistant coaches.
Dave Liss, he's a Thunder assistant. Mike Wilkes, you know,
(06:19):
one of those guys. I don't know which one is
the one, or the two or whoever.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
The I think the Pacers is Jenny Boucheck. If she's
not one, she's the second assistant.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You know, that could be something too. So I realized
that it's the Knicks and they want to make a
splash by trying to go get a sexy names.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
They want a sexceye. They want Sizil. That's what Bob
James Dolan has been saying for a while. I want Sizil.
I want somebody that's got that's got skins on the wall.
Mark Jackson doesn't he was in the league for a
while with Golden State, but he didn't win with them.
It was it wasn't till Steve Kerr got there that
they won.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
But I and every we always want to higher than
the the old guard. And I don't have anything against
Bud or are Taylor Jenkins or anybody else that's out there,
but you're when you when you all when you're looking
for somebody to hire, these these teams that want this
sizzle factor usually don't have a lot of substance behind them.
(07:13):
And I think Jason Kid's a very underrated coach. I'll
tell you somebody that's out there that's not coaching right
now that I always thought was a really good coach.
With Scott Skiles. Scott was a gym rat. He lived
in the gym, but he never was able to get
his point across the players. I don't think that he's
a candidate for the New York job, But they got
to hire somebody before the draft because everybody's gonna want
(07:36):
to know what the what they're doing there, and I
think it's going to be it's going to be a
hard situation for them to find the right guy. But
it's again, it's amazing to me how you have people
who are great business people in one endeavor and then
they think they can just use the same blueprint to
have that success in the NBA, the NFL and Major
(07:56):
League Baseball, and it rarely works out that way.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
The last time Scott's Skiles was a head coach was
twenty fifteen to twenty sixteens for the Orlando Magic. You know,
I know he's in the league. I can't remember off
the top of my head where he is, but you
could maybe try to go look at Scotti Brooks, you know,
the thunders former head coach. I know he's assistant somewhere.
(08:19):
I just can't remember where. But it wouldn't surprise me
Andy if they go and try to just get a
former player, you know, like like a Steve Nash or
something like that. But again, there was nothing wrong with Tibbs.
You ran into a Pacers team that was super hot.
You were reliant on one way players with Jalen Brunson,
(08:43):
who's a fantastic player and Karl Anthony Towns, who's a
very good player. But when it came to defense, they
were liabilities. And we saw what happened when it came
down to the Pacers needing to make a bucket and
the Knicks not being able to get a stop.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
We saw what Well, the biggest issue I think that
management had with Tibbs is he only played seven or
eight guys for most of the season.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I mean, he's been couching for twenty plus years. That's
who he is.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
But but again, if that's what you if that's your philosophy,
that's fine. But I think he would probably be open
to an eighth and ninth guy if the eighth and
ninth guy he trusted. And that goes back to the
team putting together a group of players that there has
has some depth to it. But if you're going to
spend ninety five percent of your money on your starting five,
(09:30):
you're really not going to get good players that you
can trust in the back half of that roster. And
so you're going to bring two guys off the bench,
and that's the way it's going to go.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, I mean, the only names on the team that
I know as far as coming off the bench would
somewhat be Landry Shammitt, who's to me, he's an average player,
Mitchell Robinson, average player, good defend.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Robinson was starting some games.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Some games depending on you know who they were playing,
and then you know Miles McBride Deuce McBride, But that's
only because I think he was more of a fan favorite.
I don't I don't know DeLong right, no clue.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I just think and I'm just like I think, I
don't know that a lot of people in San Antonio
care whether the next win, lose, or draw. But it's
amazing again to me where you you think that they're
going to say yes to you just because you're James Dolanan,
just because you're the Knicks, and it didn't work out
that way, and now they're kind of struggling to figure
out they're trying to figure out what direction to go.
(10:31):
All right, an interesting and funny story about Scotti. Scheffler
will tell you about Kevin Durants, the odds on favorite
to be employed by the Spurs in the future, and
a couple other things before we get to the top
of the hour. It's the INDI average show on the
ticket
The New York Knicks asked both Minnesota and Dallas if
they could talk to their coaches, Jason Kidd and Chris
Finch about coming to New York, as well as Houston.
They asked Houston also, and so all three have said no.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
They They didn't just say no, Andy, they they said
a resounding FCC word, no.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yes, you you cannot talk to any of those guys.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
You can talk to him, you cannot pass. Go, do
not cry.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
So here's the deal. You decided to fire Tom Thibodeau,
and then you decide, well, who are we going to
go get? Why didn't you already have this in mind
before you fired him? If he is such a bad
coach and he's the reason why you're not in the
NBA finals, and he's the reason why you think you
need change, why did you move off of him before
(00:56):
you knew who you were going to go get. Now,
you're just like I said in the in the t's
ready fire Aim. You did not have a plan. This
is the problem with a lot of teams in professional sports,
and it's teams that notoriously underachieve. The New England Patriots
when Bill, when Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft and Tom
(01:17):
Brady were there, didn't do this. The Spurs have never
made a roster move or a coach move without a plan.
Everything has to have a plan before you set you
execute the move. And now the New York Knicks are
going to have to go find somebody. And I'll guarantee
(01:40):
you every player on the team is thinking, who's going
to coach us, who's going to be our leader? We
followed TIBs for the last few years, we built you know,
Villanova North. All of those things are are in play.
What's our plan? Are we going to go get Kevin Durant?
Are we going to go after Giannis? What are we
going to try to do to get better? We dismounted
to our team to get Karl Anthony Towns and gave
(02:03):
away some good players. We gave away all of our
draft picks for bridges. What's the plan? And ownership and
management does not have one. I'm not sure whether it
was Bob Dolan or if it was Leon Rose that
made the decision to move off of Tips, But whoever
it was, it was bad general managership or bad ownership,
because you needed to have a plan before you decided
(02:26):
what you were going to do and obviously they thought
that everybody would say yes and that they would be
able to trade a draft pick or something like that
to one of those teams in order to secure the coach. Sorry,
we like Chris Finch in Minnesota. Sorry, we like Emay
and Houston, and we like Jason in Dallas. So now
(02:47):
who to the New York Knicks go after? And that
is a very big to be determined, because if you
wanted Taylor Jenkins, our Mike Budd or Michael Malone, you
would have hired them with your first choice, not your fourth.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And some of the ones that I've seen pop up
is Mike Brown, you know, the the Sacramento Kings. Again,
not your first choice. Yeah, not your first choice. I
whoever they take at this point, you're not gonna go
get Michael Malone because that's basically just moving perpendicular to
Tom Thibodeau. It's it's to to the only difference is
(03:21):
that that Michael Malone has an NBA championship thanks to
to Jokic. It would not surprise me, Andy if they
go do something like uh like go and higher somebody
that's been part of the family. You know, I've I've
heard Mark Jackson, you know, pop up a couple of times.
I've even heard, as stupid as it sounds, Steve Nash.
(03:44):
You know, Steve Nash had a cup of coffee with
the with the nets. Did he ever play for the Knicks?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
No? But Mark Jackson did, Ye, Mark Jackson did. But
but what the point is is that you're fishing. You're
fishing in a stream with no fish in the pond,
and now you're trying to You should have just kept
Thibodeau if you weren't going to get to who you
really wanted. Oh you want Jason Kidd, Sorry, he's under contract.
(04:10):
Oh you want Chris manch Oh you want he May?
Who do you want? Do you want somebody else to
come out of retirement and coach your team? I don't
get the idea, And it's I don't really care whether
the Knicks win a championship or not, but the league does.
The league would like for New York to break a
fifty three year drought of not winning. Having a New
(04:31):
York team in the finals is good for business in
the NBA, and yet for most of the last fifty
three years, the Knicks have underachieved, and it's because of
bad management that we don't see on teams that consistently achieve.
Why has Boston achieved success in the last several years.
Brad Stevens and whoever Brad Stevens is hired, Brad Stevens
(04:53):
has got it figured out. If you look at Indiana, yeah,
they were the fourth best team this year, but they
have it figured out in the front office. They've got
good ownership and good management. And the Spurs do as
good a job with that as anybody else does as well.
So here we go again with another organization that wants
to blame the coach wants to blame things that or
(05:15):
and and point the finger at things instead of pointing
at themselves. And I understand that Bob Dolan's been away
for a while building the sphere and laws in Vegas.
Jim Dowen is a Jim James Dollon. Yeah, James Dollan,
So yeah and and uh and so he's here we
go another situation. And the Knicks have a good enough
enough good players where they'll probably be the fourth or
(05:38):
fifth best team, if not better, next year when the
playoffs roll around. But that does not get them a
step closer. And it constantly amazes me how people who
are uber successful in their life in one business don't
know how to carry it to the next one when
they become an owner of a professional team.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Here, here's where I think they're probably gonna wind up
going is they're gonna try to pillage whatever whatever team
winds up winning the title this year, pillage one of
their coaching staffs. I don't know who's second in command
for for the Thunder, but some of their assistant coaches.
Dave Liss, he's a Thunder assistant. Mike Wilkes, you know,
(06:19):
one of those guys. I don't know which one is
the one, or the two or whoever.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
The I think the Pacers is Jenny Boucheck. If she's
not one, she's the second assistant.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You know, that could be something too. So I realized
that it's the Knicks and they want to make a
splash by trying to go get a sexy names.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
They want a sexceye. They want Sizil. That's what Bob
James Dolan has been saying for a while. I want Sizil.
I want somebody that's got that's got skins on the wall.
Mark Jackson doesn't he was in the league for a
while with Golden State, but he didn't win with them.
It was it wasn't till Steve Kerr got there that
they won.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
But I and every we always want to higher than
the the old guard. And I don't have anything against
Bud or are Taylor Jenkins or anybody else that's out there,
but you're when you when you all when you're looking
for somebody to hire, these these teams that want this
sizzle factor usually don't have a lot of substance behind them.
(07:13):
And I think Jason Kid's a very underrated coach. I'll
tell you somebody that's out there that's not coaching right
now that I always thought was a really good coach.
With Scott Skiles. Scott was a gym rat. He lived
in the gym, but he never was able to get
his point across the players. I don't think that he's
a candidate for the New York job, But they got
to hire somebody before the draft because everybody's gonna want
(07:36):
to know what the what they're doing there, and I
think it's going to be it's going to be a
hard situation for them to find the right guy. But
it's again, it's amazing to me how you have people
who are great business people in one endeavor and then
they think they can just use the same blueprint to
have that success in the NBA, the NFL and Major
(07:56):
League Baseball, and it rarely works out that way.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
The last time Scott's Skiles was a head coach was
twenty fifteen to twenty sixteens for the Orlando Magic. You know,
I know he's in the league. I can't remember off
the top of my head where he is, but you
could maybe try to go look at Scotti Brooks, you know,
the thunders former head coach. I know he's assistant somewhere.
(08:19):
I just can't remember where. But it wouldn't surprise me
Andy if they go and try to just get a
former player, you know, like like a Steve Nash or
something like that. But again, there was nothing wrong with Tibbs.
You ran into a Pacers team that was super hot.
You were reliant on one way players with Jalen Brunson,
(08:43):
who's a fantastic player and Karl Anthony Towns, who's a
very good player. But when it came to defense, they
were liabilities. And we saw what happened when it came
down to the Pacers needing to make a bucket and
the Knicks not being able to get a stop.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
We saw what Well, the biggest issue I think that
management had with Tibbs is he only played seven or
eight guys for most of the season.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I mean, he's been couching for twenty plus years. That's
who he is.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
But but again, if that's what you if that's your philosophy,
that's fine. But I think he would probably be open
to an eighth and ninth guy if the eighth and
ninth guy he trusted. And that goes back to the
team putting together a group of players that there has
has some depth to it. But if you're going to
spend ninety five percent of your money on your starting five,
(09:30):
you're really not going to get good players that you
can trust in the back half of that roster. And
so you're going to bring two guys off the bench,
and that's the way it's going to go.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, I mean, the only names on the team that
I know as far as coming off the bench would
somewhat be Landry Shammitt, who's to me, he's an average player,
Mitchell Robinson, average player, good defend.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Robinson was starting some games.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Some games depending on you know who they were playing,
and then you know Miles McBride Deuce McBride, But that's
only because I think he was more of a fan favorite.
I don't I don't know DeLong right, no clue.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I just think and I'm just like I think, I
don't know that a lot of people in San Antonio
care whether the next win, lose, or draw. But it's
amazing again to me where you you think that they're
going to say yes to you just because you're James Dolanan,
just because you're the Knicks, and it didn't work out
that way, and now they're kind of struggling to figure
out they're trying to figure out what direction to go.
(10:31):
All right, an interesting and funny story about Scotti. Scheffler
will tell you about Kevin Durants, the odds on favorite
to be employed by the Spurs in the future, and
a couple other things before we get to the top
of the hour. It's the INDI average show on the
ticket
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