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November 17, 2025 13 mins
The crew dives deep into the state of the Dallas Mavericks, debating whether the team’s current trajectory is a playoff push or a franchise setback. Hear KT break down Cooper Flag’s evolution from promising prospect to undeniable force, and why surrounding him with young talent is critical for the future.Then, don’t miss the most talked-about moment: Dirk Nowitzki’s brutally honest take on the Nico Harrison firing, delivered on Amazon’s broadcast. His emotional, two-minute breakdown is already being called the best analysis in the media—and the guys react in real time. Plus, wild speculation on whether Dirk could return to the Mavericks in an advisory role and what that would mean for restoring fan trust.And because it’s The Ben and Skin Show, expect plenty of laughs along the way—from Skin calling out KT for checking his email mid-segment to the crew joking about calf strains being the NBA’s newest epidemic.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Around the sports kt tweets as all the sports.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yes, okay, uh, we do know that Wemby for the
Spurs is out for a few weeks now.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
He got hurt.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
But the mass played last night and they won.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah yeah, come all over town.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Friday night went to double OT lost, last night went
to OT one and then they're back at it tonight
in Minnesota. They'd go on a plane after last night's win.
After Cooper Flag is growing into a very nice young man.
He's not a boy anymore. He can get two points
pretty much whatever he wants. Now, that's pretty awesome. Yeah,

(00:45):
and uh, sorry guy.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
What's in your email? Let me check this.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Guys, he's like top the hour, five o'clock, got a
chance to win a trip to Alter Alter Ego all T.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, that's Harry, be listening for that. For the word
you can text. I got another hold on guys.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
I do want to just call time out on you
checking your email, and I would like to ask n
being there last night and being there as often as
you are, are we seeing Are you seeing Cooper Flag
turning a corner? And if so, how and why.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
The way that he's he's figuring out ways to put
himself in the game, even when they're not running stuff
for him, which is very impressive. But then also when
he's being asked to take over a game, he's doing it,
and it's such a beautiful sight to see. He is
a badass basketball player. And you know, I started thinking

(01:38):
about this whole thing. I won't even I'm not even
gonna suggest players, but I started thinking today, like, in
your opinion, what is the number one thing the Mavericks
need moving forward?

Speaker 4 (01:53):
I would say a young superstar to build the organization
with him.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, I think a sidekick.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Like so there's two and then eventually three of them,
and it's like, let's rebuild and just have great players
around him.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, I think that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
I you know, I was thinking specifically they need playmaking
and shooting more than anything. But I think, you know
you you said it right, And so I started thinking,
what my fear is that the Mavericks are too good
to get everybody the pick that they want. In other words,
I think by the time it's all said and done,
I think they're probably a play in team, and then

(02:32):
if they don't. If they don't, I think if they're
a playing team, I think they make the playoffs, because
it's going to be healthy Anthony Davis, healthy, Kyrie Irving,
Cooper Flagg with a year under his belt.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
PJ.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
Washington, Daniel Gafford. I mean, they have a really good team,
and so once we get to later in the year,
them having control of their final pick is going to
get you the sixteenth pick and you're not going to
love it. And so I started thinking, all right, is
there a rookie or first year player that's out there

(03:07):
right now on another team that you would be willing
to trade your first round pick this year unprotected for
because I honestly think that's the move.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I think that's an interesting angle.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
I think that would presume that Anthony Davis could stay healthy,
and I don't think he can stay healthy. It's fair,
which you know, I know that there's there's some value
to just, you know, trade Anthony Davis in the off season.
You'll get more for him that way, But I think
by trading him this season you'll also get you'll ensure
that this you'll get a good pick. Also, I think

(03:43):
I think he if he's healthy, which is such a
wild card, dice roll, you have no idea if he's
ever gonna suit up. If he's healthy and Kai gets
back and he's even eighty percent of full power Kai,
they are too good to tank, and that would really
hurt their future because I don't think they're good enough
to go a deep playoff run. It would just be
let's ride on a treadmill for a year. So I

(04:03):
think it would be a wasted season. And in that
it's not wasting that Cooper Flags developing. Please me understand.
I mean no disrespect to anyone over there, no disrespect
to Tony Tony, but they they desperately need to surround
Cooper Flag with young talent moving forward. And if they're
just on the treadmill being a playing team and bounce

(04:23):
in the first round, I don't know how that helps
the future.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah, no, I get it. I they and Derk will
talk about this in the next segment. Not changing the
GM back in April or May or whatever, like waiting
and doing it eleven games in. You went a whole
offseason without figuring out the future of your franchise, and

(04:48):
the future of the franchise was based on guys being
healthy and going and making a run. Now and you're
you're I just don't see how you can trade a
fifty four million dollar top twenty player the middle of
the year with two interim gms. I don't maybe there's
some plan going on that I'm not privy to. I'm like,
I don't understand how you even do that.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Is it possible that Dennis Lindsay gets the job and
then can start immediately?

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (05:15):
If you, I mean, it's sure, it's possible. I think
what would actually happen is Dennis Lindsay would be calling
the shots as a phantom GM, right, so that you
don't have to give Detroit assets.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Oh right, you know that's what I would suspect, right,
But I you know, I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
I mean, Dennis Lindsay, if you don't know, is the
second in command for the Detroit Pistons and already has
a working relationship with the Mavericks and Matt McCarty and
Michael Finley, who are the interim gms. But you know,
by all accounts, we'll talk about this in the next segment.
By all accounts, Patrick is going to make the decision
about who the next GM is, and he's gonna make

(05:54):
it with He's going to be very thoughtful about it,
and he's going to take a lot of input from
a lot of different people. But the decision that we're
talking about making here is a franchise altering decision, and
letting an interim GM do that is just crazy, no
matter how much you like the interim.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
GM is there me?

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yeah, it's just such a big salary and teams are
already already have their rosters put together in the off season.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
That would seemingly be a lot easier.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
But if there was a way to get any decent
picks and get off of AD, I would be all
for it, even if it was during the season.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
But I know it's a long shot. It's also a
calf strain for Wemby long after that, and.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Also John Morant's out with a calf strain and there's
a lot of guys that are out with My calf
has been kind.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, tell us about it.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
What's the next?

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Did you say, what's the next? Coming up next?

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Let's maybe talk more MAVs in three minutes, Let's talk
Cowboys Raiders. Let's continue the sports. Guilty is charged with
the sports. We'll get to that next.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Ben in skin show point won the Eagle.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Let's give away those bad Omens tickets they're coming to
the American Airline Center in March. The first person using
their iHeart app, the talkback feature that lists you leave
your name, your phone number, your email address, and can
answer the question who is the artist that is playing
Thanksgiving Day at at and T Stadium. At halftime at
the Cowboys game, Cowboys made it official. The first person

(07:22):
they could tell us, you're gonna win those tickets to
go see bad Omens. Okay, let's keep around the sports going.
This segment's brought to you by Franklin Frankel. Good buddies
of the show. They've been doing this a really long time,
thirty years of being advocates for injury victims. We say
call the Frankeles first two, one, four, three, three, three,
thirty three, thirty three. But KT Dirt made the rounds

(07:44):
Friday night because he had the declarative statement on the
Nico Harrison firing on the Amazon basketball broadcast.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, here it is. Why did this move have to happen?

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Well, I think there's just too many distractions, too much
going on to keep going this way. This motion probably
help them the summer. Honestly, I didn't want this negative
energy in this black cloud over the Cooper flag era.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
I just knew.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
I figured this. This fan base is a passionate and
loyal fan base. I was lucky enough to you know,
experience it for for twenty one years, and I knew
they weren't just get over it as people say or
forget about it. They're they're extremely passionate, and this trade
just made no sense. It made no sense to them,
and really there was no explanation for it either. You know,

(08:31):
you go to the finals the year before, you gave
up all these assets to build really the team around lucaut.
I was very sad how that, how that ended. And
it feels like the fans feel like they got robbed
of actually seeing the end, seeing this through, seeing Luca develop,
you know, into hopefully a champion one day, and it
feels like they never got to see the end to this.

(08:52):
So this was a yeah, very very heartbreaking. And but
now it's you know, I think it's time to move on.
This definitely set the franchise back, you know. Now it's
it's about building it back up. And and obviously this
team is struggling a bit. It needs to support all
the all they can get, so you know, hopefully we
can have a good year here from now on and

(09:14):
uh and share the cheer the team up.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Awesome. Yeah, it was awesome, man.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
I think that's the best breakdown of what's happened so
far in the media. Like, that's the leader in the clubhouse.
Nobody has done a better job than that. And Dirk's
been a professional broadcaster for five minutes. I mean, it's
it's no surprise. He's really good at broadcasting.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, he's great.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
And you know there's other clips going around of some
other stuff they've been doing. I haven't had a chance
to just sit down and watch Amazon yet during a
Friday night, yeah, and I'm looking forward to getting to
do that. But I've seen a bunch of other clips
where he's really fun and they're laughing and having a
good time. But that was clearly emotional for him. And
you know, that's a two minute clip, right, so to

(10:01):
get it all, lay it all out, be succync, talk
about the main points, do it with emotion, do it
and let everybody know that you care, and then move on.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
That was really really excellent, man. I thought he did
a great job. So we had him on Haymaker. You know,
we did a long form interview with him. You can
go check it out on YouTube just search Haymaker Network,
and he talked about how he really wanted to go
work in the front office. He thought that's what his
future was, and for whatever reason, that never materialized, so
he just moved on with things, and he went on,

(10:32):
now he's a broadcaster, he's traveling globe trotting with his
family and living a great life, having that great life
family balance.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
So the idea of grinding, he just talked about how that's.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Not really interesting to him at this point in his life,
Like he's enjoying his lifestyle and I'm happy for him,
but man, I wish this was his show. I wish
he was running everything. And if Dumont is able to
talk him into coming back in any way at all,
even if he's just a consultant, it would be worth

(11:02):
every penny because right now, what the Mavericks don't have
with their fan base his trust. Nico destroyed that. Bringing
back Dirk in any capacity, if you could twist his
arm and talk him into it, would restore trust immediately.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
I think that's happening, Like you can mark it down.
I wouldn't be surprised if Dirk's on the National TV
game Wednesday night, like it's happening.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
He's in the mix.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
It's the same role that Nash has in Phoenix at
the very least, and I think that's probably also going
to be at the very most, Like I don't think Dirk.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
I haven't talked to Dirk about it, but I can't
imagine he's gonna leave Amazon after one year and the
team is going to and what Dirk just said, the
team is going to move forward and they're gonna get
a GM in here that has legitimate NBA GM experience,
you know right now, Like Jumont's not here, but he's
talking to Cuban, he's talking to Michael Finley, he's talking

(11:58):
to matt Riccardi, he's talking to Rick Welts. Don't forget,
the CEO of the Mavericks was there in Golden State
the entire time, and he was there in Phoenix when
Steve Nash was a player and Steve Kerr was the
GM in Phoenix. So he's going to rely on those
people and Dirk with NBA experience to advise him where
to go next. And so Dirk will be a part

(12:20):
of things like he was before the Luca trade, because
he was down there sitting next to Patrick Dumont during
the finals and during the playoff run, and then when
Nico traded Luca, that stopped. And so I think at
the very least he will be the same kind of
advisor for the Mavericks at Steve Nash's in Phoenix.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Man, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
As bad as Nico just destroyed everything, it's pretty much
everybody knew he should have been gone as soon as
they got to the offseason. Yeah, and he wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
And he wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
And you know I said this on MAVs pregame show
on our TV broadcast. Them winning the lottery saved Nico's
job due the summer. If they had not won the lottery,
I don't think Nico would have been the GM in June.
I think they would have found somebody else. But we're
here now. This is what the team is. They have

(13:13):
to move forward and we'll see what happens next.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
All right, Coming up at five o'clock, we cussed the Cowboys.
We got the Today game at four forty five. But
coming up next we crank up the wayback machine. Things
that happened ten years ago, this week, that's next,
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