April 16, 2025 • 7 mins
What happens when the most beloved figure in franchise history expresses dissatisfaction with the team's direction? Dive into the latest episode of The Ben and Skin Show, where hosts Ben Rogers, Jeff "Skin" Wade, Kevin "KT" Turner, and Krystina Ray dissect the explosive press conference with Nico Harrison and Rick Welch, and the ongoing drama surrounding the Dallas Mavericks.In this episode, the team tackles the aftermath of the controversial Luka Doncic trade and the ripple effects it has had on the Mavericks' future. Ben and Skin delve into the transcript of the press conference, revealing the nuances and hidden gems that might change your perspective on the situation. "Dirk Nowitzki is the Dallas Mavericks," Mark Cuban's powerful quote, sets the tone for a deep discussion on Dirk's legacy and his potential role in the franchise's recovery.
- Ben’s Take: "The only way out of this, from a PR standpoint, is if you somehow can convince Dirk to be involved."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Quick wit evan Quin. I'll show you goal roup ahead,
be except with silk sweet pursuing it. Don hold out
shaw shank through the sewer.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Kid.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Now we're chilling at the Eagle. Yeah, we're doing in
three your clock on the doc. Got a habit for
my house, a goat status, Howard turning to get Kradic
shows that up multipply like a rabbit. Tune in so out,
prank it up, beat the habit.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm hang out with my friend, lock in on the lady, Kati.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Ristine all that lady, Oh yes, it is the local
homegrown homeboys, the Been and Skin Show, Born and raised
in Richardson, Texas. Happy to be with you on the Eagle.
Christina k Ray Cornbread, little Baby corn Bread Ray Uh
and Kevin kt Turner. All hands on deck today for
what's gonna be a fun, fun presentation. Glad to have
(00:56):
you pulling up a chair with us today. Lots to
get into in the presentation. I'm going up at three thirty.
Did I finally watch a show that Katie's been begging
us to watch. We'll also talk a little Dallas Cowboys
football as we're closing in on the NFL Draft. But
probably the big story of the day continues to be
the press conference yesterday that happened with Nico and Rick
(01:16):
Welts for the Mavericks, and of course the Mavericks played
basketball tonight in a play in the play in tournament,
and so really that should be the focus, and it
is a focus for a lot of people. But probably
the biggest story in town is just the continuing fallout
after the Luka dancicch trade and the timing of this
press conference is fascinating, all of it. It's fascinating. But
(01:40):
skin you poured through the transcript, did it change the
way you felt about or the way you feel about
any of it? Did it impact you by reading the transcript?
I wouldn't say it changed the way I felt about it.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
We had talked to a couple of people that were
in the room, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So knew a little bit about that, and then had
also read some of the the stuff that was coming
out in articles as it was coming out now last night,
and reading the full, you know, twenty eight page transcript,
the one thing that stuck out to me.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
That was I guess maybe maybe made me feel different.
I don't know, but the way that the guys that
were in the room presented the Dirt Noovitchky stuff. I
feel like it was a little disingenuous, unless there's something
out there that I missed. How do you mean?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, if if you saw like you you read us
on air, Mark Cuban's tweet quote about the about Dirtnovitski
and what he is, and it was based on a
comment that Nico Harrison had answered a question about and
I'm I don't have it in front of you, but
him talking about if I made a decision that Dirt
(02:52):
didn't like or that mav fans didn't like, and Cuban
had this response to it, which was powerful, like we
heard it on the air, is like damn, because he
was like, Dirknovitsky is the Dallas Mavericks, you know, and
so it's like when you hear it in that context,
you're like, wow, that's crazy stuff. Well, when I went
back and read the transcript that commed he made was
(03:14):
five questions. It was a direct response to another question
about Dirk that was a follow up question to this.
I'll read you guys this right quick. Tell me if
if how you feel like what you heard about Dirk, Yes, day.
If you feel any different after hearing this had happened
four questions earlier, Tim Cato said, originally this franchise's culture
was built on Dirtnovitski, the guy with the statue outside.
(03:37):
It seems clear he made clear there are various ways
that he is not pleased with the direction that the
franchise is going and some of the choices that you
have made. Does that give you pause at all? And
here is Nico's response, Well, let's be clear, Dirtnavitsky is
the most important person in the franchise history, and that's
why he's immortalized outside. In terms of how he feels,
(03:59):
that's a question for him. But Dirk is super important
to this franchise. Any role, big or small that he
wants to play, he'll be met with open arms. And
you know Dirk is he's the greatest MAVs ever. And
so I didn't see that out there anywhere. All I
saw was, well, if I made a decision Dirk or
Mavericks fans don't like, I'm sorry, I have an obligation
(04:20):
to the team.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I assumed we could only assume that it had there
was a question that involved Dirk in it. It doesn't
change the way I feel because I assumed that yesterday,
and I just don't know that I believe that. I
don't know. I just think like the only way out
of this from a PR standpoint is if you somehow
can convince Dirk to be involved. I don't know that
(04:42):
Dirk would want to be, and I don't know that
he has time to be He's I don't want to
speak for him, but I just know like as a consumer,
as the fan, I would think that anything that Dirk
signs off on if it would be fan approved, right,
even if they were like yes, even if they were
like Dirk's the one who traded Luke, You're like, Okay, Dirk,
you know what I mean. I'm not saying that happen.
(05:02):
I'm just saying they desperately. Look they it's they can
can't say anything right now to win. The only thing
that's gonna make Nico or the MAVs or anyone in
this deal look better or help in any way is
to go win basketball games. And they can't win basketball
right games right now because they're because Kyrie's gone. Yeah
(05:24):
you know what I mean? Yeah, right, I totally you
under se what I'm saying. I'm saying they could win
tonight their rosters compromised by a devastating injury. Yes, But
if they had, if they had played like they played
in the one half they had with Anthony Davis and
they were now one of the best teams in the
West Western Conference that into the playoffs, the fervor and
(05:44):
the pitch would be way different. It wouldn't be people
yelling fire and Nico would be like, oh my god,
we might win it all this year. I'm not saying
that anyone would agree with the trade because they didn't
get the fair return on the trade, but it would
make it a lot harder to be chanting fire Nico
if you have one of the best teams in the
Western con That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I just think the the the there's going to be people,
no matter what the team is doing, that will not
forgive them, and that is their right and that. But
if if the Mavericks are the two seed and they're
waxing teams, some guy in the arena chanting fire and
Niko is gonna be like, shut up, dumbass, right, you know,
(06:21):
because the team is kicking ass. The team is not
in a position to kick any ass because their best
player or second best player that serves a specific role
that nobody else can do, won't be back till February
of next year.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
And that was another thing.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You know, Nico acknowledged that the off season is going
to be about trying to find a style of player
that can replace Kyrie's production until he's back. So from
a basketball standpoint, he did talk about that, But man,
where do you find that guy? That's that's really difficult?
Did you did you read the transcript or hear any of.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
That lesson team? I did not. That's news to me.
That's interesting. Does it make you feel any different? No?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, but I didn't just even the news that you had.
I really wanted yesterday to be about Kyrie's comments about
moving forward and being and loving being a Maverick. And
I don't think dude, I doubt Nico and the guys
in charge. I doubt they even know that Kyrie did
a live stream that where he settled a bunch of
very positive things about moving forward. Like Kyrie went on
(07:22):
a live stream that probably not that many people watched
and got everyone's back in the organization.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
And then they did that. Yeah, and Tim McMahon is
making the rounds. Obviously he was the straw that stirs
the drink, as he often is. In fact, coming up
after this song, let's talk about how everyone has Tim
McMahon all wrong and we can talk about that. Don't
go anywhere. This is coming up in about three and
a half minutes on The Beninskin Show.
Quick wit evan Quin. I'll show you goal roup ahead,
be except with silk sweet pursuing it. Don hold out
shaw shank through the sewer.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Kid.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Now we're chilling at the Eagle. Yeah, we're doing in
three your clock on the doc. Got a habit for
my house, a goat status, Howard turning to get Kradic
shows that up multipply like a rabbit. Tune in so out,
prank it up, beat the habit.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm hang out with my friend, lock in on the lady, Kati.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Ristine all that lady, Oh yes, it is the local
homegrown homeboys, the Been and Skin Show, Born and raised
in Richardson, Texas. Happy to be with you on the Eagle.
Christina k Ray Cornbread, little Baby corn Bread Ray Uh
and Kevin kt Turner. All hands on deck today for
what's gonna be a fun, fun presentation. Glad to have
(00:56):
you pulling up a chair with us today. Lots to
get into in the presentation. I'm going up at three thirty.
Did I finally watch a show that Katie's been begging
us to watch. We'll also talk a little Dallas Cowboys
football as we're closing in on the NFL Draft. But
probably the big story of the day continues to be
the press conference yesterday that happened with Nico and Rick
(01:16):
Welts for the Mavericks, and of course the Mavericks played
basketball tonight in a play in the play in tournament,
and so really that should be the focus, and it
is a focus for a lot of people. But probably
the biggest story in town is just the continuing fallout
after the Luka dancicch trade and the timing of this
press conference is fascinating, all of it. It's fascinating. But
(01:40):
skin you poured through the transcript, did it change the
way you felt about or the way you feel about
any of it? Did it impact you by reading the transcript?
I wouldn't say it changed the way I felt about it.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
We had talked to a couple of people that were
in the room, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So knew a little bit about that, and then had
also read some of the the stuff that was coming
out in articles as it was coming out now last night,
and reading the full, you know, twenty eight page transcript,
the one thing that stuck out to me.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
That was I guess maybe maybe made me feel different.
I don't know, but the way that the guys that
were in the room presented the Dirt Noovitchky stuff. I
feel like it was a little disingenuous, unless there's something
out there that I missed. How do you mean?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, if if you saw like you you read us
on air, Mark Cuban's tweet quote about the about Dirtnovitski
and what he is, and it was based on a
comment that Nico Harrison had answered a question about and
I'm I don't have it in front of you, but
him talking about if I made a decision that Dirt
(02:52):
didn't like or that mav fans didn't like, and Cuban
had this response to it, which was powerful, like we
heard it on the air, is like damn, because he
was like, Dirknovitsky is the Dallas Mavericks, you know, and
so it's like when you hear it in that context,
you're like, wow, that's crazy stuff. Well, when I went
back and read the transcript that commed he made was
(03:14):
five questions. It was a direct response to another question
about Dirk that was a follow up question to this.
I'll read you guys this right quick. Tell me if
if how you feel like what you heard about Dirk, Yes, day.
If you feel any different after hearing this had happened
four questions earlier, Tim Cato said, originally this franchise's culture
was built on Dirtnovitski, the guy with the statue outside.
(03:37):
It seems clear he made clear there are various ways
that he is not pleased with the direction that the
franchise is going and some of the choices that you
have made. Does that give you pause at all? And
here is Nico's response, Well, let's be clear, Dirtnavitsky is
the most important person in the franchise history, and that's
why he's immortalized outside. In terms of how he feels,
(03:59):
that's a question for him. But Dirk is super important
to this franchise. Any role, big or small that he
wants to play, he'll be met with open arms. And
you know Dirk is he's the greatest MAVs ever. And
so I didn't see that out there anywhere. All I
saw was, well, if I made a decision Dirk or
Mavericks fans don't like, I'm sorry, I have an obligation
(04:20):
to the team.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I assumed we could only assume that it had there
was a question that involved Dirk in it. It doesn't
change the way I feel because I assumed that yesterday,
and I just don't know that I believe that. I
don't know. I just think like the only way out
of this from a PR standpoint is if you somehow
can convince Dirk to be involved. I don't know that
(04:42):
Dirk would want to be, and I don't know that
he has time to be He's I don't want to
speak for him, but I just know like as a consumer,
as the fan, I would think that anything that Dirk
signs off on if it would be fan approved, right,
even if they were like yes, even if they were
like Dirk's the one who traded Luke, You're like, Okay, Dirk,
you know what I mean. I'm not saying that happen.
(05:02):
I'm just saying they desperately. Look they it's they can
can't say anything right now to win. The only thing
that's gonna make Nico or the MAVs or anyone in
this deal look better or help in any way is
to go win basketball games. And they can't win basketball
right games right now because they're because Kyrie's gone. Yeah
(05:24):
you know what I mean? Yeah, right, I totally you
under se what I'm saying. I'm saying they could win
tonight their rosters compromised by a devastating injury. Yes, But
if they had, if they had played like they played
in the one half they had with Anthony Davis and
they were now one of the best teams in the
West Western Conference that into the playoffs, the fervor and
(05:44):
the pitch would be way different. It wouldn't be people
yelling fire and Nico would be like, oh my god,
we might win it all this year. I'm not saying
that anyone would agree with the trade because they didn't
get the fair return on the trade, but it would
make it a lot harder to be chanting fire Nico
if you have one of the best teams in the
Western con That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I just think the the the there's going to be people,
no matter what the team is doing, that will not
forgive them, and that is their right and that. But
if if the Mavericks are the two seed and they're
waxing teams, some guy in the arena chanting fire and
Niko is gonna be like, shut up, dumbass, right, you know,
(06:21):
because the team is kicking ass. The team is not
in a position to kick any ass because their best
player or second best player that serves a specific role
that nobody else can do, won't be back till February
of next year.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
And that was another thing.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You know, Nico acknowledged that the off season is going
to be about trying to find a style of player
that can replace Kyrie's production until he's back. So from
a basketball standpoint, he did talk about that, But man,
where do you find that guy? That's that's really difficult?
Did you did you read the transcript or hear any of.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
That lesson team? I did not. That's news to me.
That's interesting. Does it make you feel any different? No?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, but I didn't just even the news that you had.
I really wanted yesterday to be about Kyrie's comments about
moving forward and being and loving being a Maverick. And
I don't think dude, I doubt Nico and the guys
in charge. I doubt they even know that Kyrie did
a live stream that where he settled a bunch of
very positive things about moving forward. Like Kyrie went on
(07:22):
a live stream that probably not that many people watched
and got everyone's back in the organization.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
And then they did that. Yeah, and Tim McMahon is
making the rounds. Obviously he was the straw that stirs
the drink, as he often is. In fact, coming up
after this song, let's talk about how everyone has Tim
McMahon all wrong and we can talk about that. Don't
go anywhere. This is coming up in about three and
a half minutes on The Beninskin Show.
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