August 2, 2023 • 64 mins
Jason Aldean creates a giant controversy in his usual style with a controversial song. Is Country Music the genre for “canceled” artists to thrive? While Hollywood is dead… what will happen to the music industry that relies on revenue from movies and TV? So many questions and more on The Biztape!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Jason Aldean try that in a small down controversy.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And how the writers strike is affecting the music industry.
You're listening to the biz tape?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Wasn't the biz tape? You're all things music, business and
media podcasts. I'm yours con McKay with my co host
Joseph Wisewski Coast to Coast here for another episode.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Of Until I'm Gone Until Joe's Gone Again. John, I
mean John, John.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Our other third podcast host you've never heard of before Joe.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
So he's just never here.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
He's just never available. He's just always off someway or
doing some.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
John's actually my alter ego. He's like he steps in
for me.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, Joe's in like a split kind of movie scenario.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Where have you seen arm Insteller? That's where I'm at.
I'm in the little You're in the wall room. Yeah,
Yeah'm buying the bookshelf.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, everybody's freaking busy.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Urh murfh oh god, what a movie.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I got really dark for a second there, Yeah, which
I actually I rewatched that movie, and I will say,
people shout on that movie. It's an amazing movie. It
holds up so good. Is a little weird.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I think the funniest part is I think I've said
on this show before, which is hilarious for me to
say this after I say it, that movie came out
at the same time as the worst movie. That's like,
you know when two movies come out around the same
time and they're around like the same theme. And also
kind of saying set piece, Well, that was Interstellar and Gravity.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Remember that movie was horrible.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It was like so bad, and everybody was like trying
to defend it just from cinemata graphy, and I was like,
that's great, but likemember, where's the whole movie?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
D the movie? Like George Clooney was in the whole
movie and then.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
He oh my god, spoilers for a movie that came
out ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Oh man, oh, Joe.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I will say, like, the the cool thing about that
movie is like the bts of like how they film
the ship and everything. It's like it's really really cool.
But the actual movie itself is hot garbage because it's
very boring. You're just following who who?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
You're Sandra Bullocking it up.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yes, you're following Sandra Bullock, which, like we love Sandra Bullock,
but like it's literally just her crying. She adopted a young.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Alien in the movie to take care of and he
plays football.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
No wrong movie.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Sorry, anyway, let's just start this freaking show for God's sakes.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Uh, I don't even know what Joe has. By the way,
we're just gonna go right into it.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, we're just we're kind of we're kind of doing
a little a little surprise episode for each other.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, right, we're just gonna do. We don't know what's
going on. Can I start with mine? Joe? What is yours? Actually?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Mine? Mine's about the writer's strike a little bit, but also, okay,
it goes into the music industry, so well, if.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I don't know you that, like, mind what the only
reason I'm asking is, I was like, knowing our brains,
we would pick the same story. So I was like,
literally in my brain, I was like, please for the instatory.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I saw your Instagram post.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Okay, yes, we do have our Instagram story at the
Viz tape pretty much everywhere. If you want to follow
that about you know a hint of what we're talking about,
which we didn't get to talk about last week since
we were off. But Joe, let's start with the writer
strike and then I'll get into the most new controversial
country song yet.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Amazing. So, as the Hollywood strike continues to rage on
with sag Aftra and w GA joining the picket lines,
the music sink business has halted to a almost complete standstill. So,
if you don't know, the sink business or the sink
arm of the entertainment industry is a one point five
(04:10):
billion dollar RB in the with a B, big old
B in the entertainment industry and was actually like set
to rise over the next couple of years, and it
is now completely halted pretty much because of the writers strike, because,
as we know, pretty much every single production except those
productions that our union approved have completely halted. But for
(04:35):
those of you who don't know, the sinc industry is
responsible for the placements of your favorite songs in your
favorite shows and movies. Many people are responsible for these
creative choices, most notably music supervisors, who shift through hundreds
and thousands of submissions in order to find the perfect
(04:56):
song for the perfect scene. However, most supervisors, which I
feel like most people in the music industry don't even
know this. Most supervisors are freelance contractors and they're hired
on per project and are not unionized, even though many
working under Netflix, for example, have filed to join Ayatzi,
(05:17):
which is still very much pinning. It's kind of that's true.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Interesting, Yeah, very.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, it's very like old. It's like one of the
more older sections of the industry to some extent. I
feel like sink really took off with TV and then
like kind of fell into film after that, after like
a lot of these shows and like TV shows were
starting to get more and more.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And I would say it's one of the oldest kind
of recorded bass pieces of music because you got to
think all the way back to like the Silver Age,
like they would produce a piano score that would go
up with the movie and this guy you know talkies
before talking you kids anyway, before kids were talking in movies,
(06:04):
you know, like they'd have a piano player on the
side of a movie theater and like that's they what
they would do. That was the score, that was what
was synced to the movie.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, I mean it's it's pretty baffling. And I think
a lot of that has to do with kind of
the structure of the industry right with like a lot
of these supervisors being contracted labor, they haven't really had
a chance to unionize together because when you're when you're
kind of in a contract job, it's which like for
(06:36):
instance me, I'm in a lot of content contractual work,
and I would say that the reason we don't have
a union is because, like a lot of the times,
we don't talk to each other. A lot of recards,
Like I don't really talk to a ton of other
photographers or videographers. There's only like a handful of people
(06:59):
that I actually know in the rest of the people
I actually interact with or like clients and like client
teams and stuff like that. So it's very like it's
a very lonely leg of the job, right you only
have a couple of points of contact, and so over
the years, I feel like it's a lot of these
(07:20):
I guess studios have kind of taken upon themselves to
kind of like cut that a little bit out of it.
But I think as more and more money rolls in,
it's getting less and less like it doesn't make much
sense that these people don't have a union essentially, especially
with how much money they're.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Making, especially how dominant, Like you know where I live
in Nashville, you know, there's nothing like that, but there's
also no unions anyway, right, It is kind of weird
if you think about it, in the grand scheme that
literally all of Hollywood is unionized except for the music supervisors,
you know what I mean, they're the ones that are out.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I would actually say, like you would think all of
Hollywood's unionized, but there's still like a lot of productions,
including myself, Like I am not union. I would love
to be union. Boom please don't boom me hum. But
the main thing is, like I work primarily in the
music industry, and so it's like it's the music industry
(08:20):
is very even though like this is kind of the
arm that connects the two, right the sink industry to
like the music industry to the on screen industry. It's
very separate for the most part when it comes to
everything else. And so a lot of things are like
you know, a lot of small businesses and a lot
(08:41):
of small content collect collection firms and like that kind
of stuff where like very much permeating throughout LA. But
if you're working on like classic film sets and stuff like,
all of those are unionized because a lot of the
times they won't even let you on set unless you
are union member. So, but what does this mean for
(09:04):
the industry, Well, according to some experts, it means pivoting
until the industry heals, such as pitching to the gaming industry,
which has earned a whopping one hundred and thirty eight
billion dollars in twenty twenty and is still the highest
grossing arm in the entertainment space. I remember nothing.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
There was about three years when I was about thirteen
where Fortunate Son was in like fifteen war games.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, and I was like every Call of Duty game ever.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah, some folks about made right Mason, you know, like
that was all it was like literally, and I just I,
you know, it is funny because we overlook at so
much sometimes with video games, especially with music.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, I mean for sure. I Actually what's surprising is
like a lot of the payouts for games are higher
than movie television because they have more money, and and
the thing about that is like in some respect it
like I guess games are are a bit different because
you can actually trade out the song. So it's like,
(10:12):
for instance, Fortnite, right, huge, huge competition in the sync
space for that particular game. One of the reasons is
because it had Fortnite Radio, Fornite Radio where your five,
your old cousin and you're also friend who's like twenty
eight years old is like also listening too.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
But you remember when we talked about it when he
was on there, And remember when we talked about when
Travis Scott nothing could happen to his career at all
when he was on top of the world with Fortnite.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah exactly. But yeah, I mean, besides the concerts, like
the actual radio station, like you can change and like
it's the same for GTA and so too. They can
actually switch those songs out through an update, and so
like in some respect you might I'd have the opportunity
to get some of your other songs in those games
continual pitching, Yeah, exactly, and in a lot of In
(11:08):
a lot of ways, the sink world is very much
a one time payment. So it's like, if my song's
only on there for like three months, as opposed to
the whole time the thing exists, might actually be a
better deal if I'm getting paid more money for it.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It's definitely one of the few markets of music that
is like upfront payment, like just straight upfront payment for
stuff like that. You know, like if you if I
was like an artist and I need to start making
like money, which is like every freaking TikTok producer that's like, hey, guys,
have you ever heard of sink licensing?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
You know?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
But no, like seriously, the reason why that always is
there is because it's just upfront money.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Now, pay the taxes on that money most of the time.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
But still it's it's amazing because, like you know, like
compared to the rest of the industry, it's you're getting
some percentage that's coming through that's getting broken down and
then you know, you go to a movie studio or
a video game company and they're like, here's four grand goodbye,
you know.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, and that's really rare. Now it's like the closest
thing I can think of being like.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
A patron, you know, when you were classical musicians and
Mozart being.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Like the king is paying for me, you know, but
it is. It is definitely a market that is ever growing,
and I think maybe would fill a hole for now
for Hollywood, but like, Hollywood is such a big deal.
And I was also going to put in there, like
you were saying the same way that you can continually
patch a game and put new music in there and
(12:40):
add new music, so you kind of have a pipeline
to keep pitching.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
The reason you can't do it with movies in particular
is because legally they are bound to the picture for
the rest.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Of that like that. It has to do with the
copyright of the film.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It is printed in it, yeah, and so it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Can never be removed, which is unlike TV shows. I
don't know if you remember that, Joe, but like when
Netflix started re releasing TV shows because for again for
the young folk out there who don't know about when
the talkies came out. Now, for the young folk out there,
I remember when Netflix first started doing like TV shows
(13:17):
and people used to complain all the time, and they
used to complain all the time about the sync music
because it would be different. I remember the big one
was Scrubs. Scrubs had completely different music in it than
it did when it aired, and that was insane at
the time because people were not used to that. So
(13:38):
for movies like it's a locked in deal. But for
games and TV now with streaming, you can actually make
you know, continually pitching this music over and over or
new music you find and be like, hey, Scrubs, you
don't want to pay five million dollars for this Rolling
Stone song? How about a Strets song, you know, or
something like that. But yeah, Joe, what do you think
(13:59):
of this hole though? Like that they're going to deal
with right now?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
You know, we don't.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Everybody's focusing on the writers and the actors just so,
but a lot of these writers and actors have brought
up the surrounding industry around these you know, giant businesses
at the end of the day, and these business from
music supervisors to catering to all that stuff. What do
we think about these music supervisors out there right now
(14:25):
that are ten ninety nine you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah, not u din or anything.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well, unfortunately, it means that, like COVID, a lot of
people are going to have to move on from their
supervisor positions depending on how long this strike takes place.
And if we've you know, historically this li I mean, what,
the last writer's strike didn't take a whole year at
least for there to be a deal, and we're not
(14:49):
even close to that with this strike. And it seems
like both sides are in it for the long haul.
So because of that, a lot of these people, these
supervisors have also had to recently fire staff in order
to keep the lights on a bit, and a lot
of these staff members are coordinator positions that are more
(15:13):
like a partnership. It's like you're with your supervisor and
your supervisor. It's like a two person gig pretty much.
And so you can imagine a lot of this is
very personal and like heartbreaking for a lot of these
people to let go some of their staff, right, But
unfortunately it's something that they have to do. And those
(15:35):
that are still lucky enough to secure some sinks are
only securing sinks in the post production process currently, which
will most likely end soon, and are already having issues
because a lot of the times in the post production
process you still need your writers in order to come
and give notes for it to make sense in the edit.
(15:58):
And then also they're getting some thinks through union approved productions,
which is very very rare. A twenty four, for example,
got approved on one of their productions to continue making
the movie and themselves, right, is that by the union themselves?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Like will you play by these rules? And then and.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Then they went yes, yeah, they said, of course. And
A twenty four being a indie filmmaking company, which I
think a lot of people forget. There's still very they're
still independent. They just distribute through majors right pretty much.
But they're they're able to meet the demands. So why
aren't these other companies able to meet the demands? Hmm,
(16:42):
who knows? But yeah, Eventually the strike may get to
a spot of complete and total entertainment emptiness, which is
somewhat the goal for writers and actors, but hopefully a
deal will be had before it gets to that point.
One of the main reasons it's a goal for them
is because when there is no new content coming out
(17:02):
and just a bunch of garbage content, that means subscriber
numbers are going to drop like crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You're going to see all of us reality TV coming on?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, you're you're gonna start getting a lot more reality TV.
But I have a hypothesis on that. I feel like,
I feel like it's not going to be as big
of a boom as it was before because reality TV
when it boomed before was very new. It was it
was like this is the brand new thing.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
The last time the commercial actors went like on strike
was two thousand, which the year two thousand was like,
you know, right when reality TV first was becoming a thing,
you know what I mean. So yeah, I agree with
you on that one, like completely, and I just don't.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Think the hype is going to be as strong for it.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Well.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I think one thing that I will say kind of
a parable to the live side that I work in
is experience loss, and I think it will be very
palliative and very real for a lot of Hollywood and
production for a while. And what I mean by this
is that and there's a lot of people I've talked
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to with industries that have been primarily affected by COVID,
but I think this still also applies because this is
fundamentally a stop to work, right in the same way
that COVID was for the live side, right, So in
that same way, one of the biggest things we talk
about is just experienced loss, like all the time between
a lot of these big tech companies that are trying
(18:32):
to you know, do professional audio, do professional whiting, do
you know, staging all this kind of stuff. And the
reason why is because the entertainment industry specifically at the
time of COVID, had so many people that had to
leave because they couldn't have any work anymore, and they
needed to find a new job. And then they decided
to stay in their jobs right that they had got
(18:53):
during the pandemic, or you know, worse they passed away
during the pandemic, or worse, you know, they we're putting
such dire financial traits they can't work anymore, you know
what I mean, either health wise or just like you know,
mental state, all that kind of stuff. Not to bring
a big, you know, sad moment into the show, but
it's true. And so I think personally with all these strikes,
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is that we will see for a minute, you know,
the strike has been going on for a historically long
amount of time. I mean, the like longest sax strife
was six months in two thousand, right, and this one
has a lot of esteem to it. It's got a
lot more unions as a part of it, right, And
(19:39):
so I wonder, especially not even just from an actor front,
or you know, like say like a master carpenter or
you know, like these music supervisors. I wonder these other
industries that will be affected by it, and these specialists
that will have to take their skills and move somewhere
else because they need to live right, and I wonder
(20:02):
which ones we will lose in the same way that
I've experienced it personally in my work, where we just
lose this experience, right, the ability and like you know,
I don't acting, you know, is one thing. I'm sure
there are actors that are like I might go in
to retirement, you know what I mean, that are on
the older end, right and everything. But I'm talking about
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like skills that are very apparent in delay production by.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
A long time. For instance, like my master carpenter example,
like building a film set is not like building a house, right,
it is very fast, it is, you know, very detail oriented,
all this kind of stuff that takes a specific skill
set that you cannot just get someone that knows how
to build an a frame of a house and they
(20:52):
can build a set, right. And so I wonder for
people like that that have skills that can transfer to
other industry, what these strikes will leave, you know what
I mean. And the same thing with these music supervisors, right,
they have less protections because they're not part of these unions,
so there's less of a reason to stay because they
(21:12):
feel like even if they bite the bullet and feel
the burden, they might not get the benefits that these
unions get. So maybe we will see a lot of
them that are literally, like you said, one person two
person teams migrate away and go, well, I'm going to
go back into traditional music right now because traditional music
isn't on strike, for instance.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And that is that is a lot of publishers' goals
right now, because a lot of publishers have a sink
arm and before the strike, I mean, the biggest I
would actually say it was increasing a lot more towards
I guess the culmination of the strike, but a lot
of focus and resources we're going into sink arm stuff,
(21:54):
and even people signing to publishers, like the biggest thing
artists wanted was a sink deal, right, That's like that's oh,
that's the crown achievements.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
That was without you know, literally killing and hurting your
body every day, touring every day your life. This was
the closest that you could come to, you know, straightforward,
big check revenue that has value and will pay out
over time.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
As well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And so and like Joe is saying, these are one
to two man teams. These are small networking, you know,
very personal deals. So if you get in that world,
that's your golden ticket to get more. Right, So it's
it's you know, zink has always been one of the
(22:48):
last bastions for an artist really right now to gain revenue,
since streaming historically has done.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Nothing, especially during COVID.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
To me, oh yeah, that was the backbone, right we
had no live sink, you know, streaming to joke and
uh yeah, I mean that that was the thing. Like
my joke about producers on TikTok being like, have you
guys who were heard sink licensing?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I joke at them, but they're they're right, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
It's just more of like you know, when I come
across six tiktoks all saying that, it gets a little annoying.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
One thing about you. Ever opened TikTok and you just
get hit in the face with a bunch of unsolicited opinions.
Oh yeah, I'm like niche things that you're just like,
I didn't ask for this.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
You're like, they're always like like I get stuff, but
it'll be like this is the best sponge for your
tile shower, and you're like.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
All right, didn't really need this, but I guess.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I'm watching it, and then I'm sitting there and I'm like, wow,
that was really amazing. And then you look in the
top comment and it was like this sponge is a lie,
and I'm like, oh, well, they fooled me. Yeah, but
like and then people think about that with like coronavirus anyway, no,
but anyway, Like it's it's a situation that I think
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people obviously are thinking more of my shows, where are
my shows right now? But I think more because of
my mindset from the pandemic of those people that will
be forced to exit the industry right even And you know,
I've some people are like big Hollywood, they voted for
this or whatever, and I'm like, that's one thing. There are,
(24:27):
you know, a bunch of union people that voted for it.
I completely support them, you know, I think this is
how they have power strengthen numbers. But there's also a
number of industries that are not union that are being
affected by this at the same time. Right And for instance,
like one of the things that I actually read about
which was really interesting that I didn't think about, and
(24:47):
maybe Joe you saw this too, was La was talking
about the food industry and the amount of like takeout
has decreased, like exponentially because of the lack of these
actors and these you know pas that would come down
and get a giant ordage.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, crafty is a huge thing out here.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Not even just like catering, like literally just restaurants around
where somebody would go like in between it, you know, their.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Shoes, yeah, and coffee.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
And so this is gonna be this whole thing we
we haven't really talked about on the show because it's
just it's so gargantuan that sometimes it was hard for
me and Joe to come up with thoughts with everything.
But like, yeah, like you were really starting to see
the effects.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Of it now, you know what I mean. It was
an idea the first couple of weeks ago, and now we're.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Now now even the shipping industry is kind of teasing
with the idea of striking currently, which is something else
to write.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And thankfully I saw the UPS made a deal with
h with the you know there were they called the Teamsters.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I believe it's the Union, yes, like, yes, yeah, the Teamsters.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, but that that literally was gonna be apocalyptic. But
still this is apocalyptic in terms of the next current,
you know, every day, this goes by adds six months
and that's where the downfall starts, right, So we're just
gonna keep seeing it from when this started plus six months.
So I mean literally, like I think I mentioned it. No,
(26:23):
I don't even think I mentioned it on the show HBO.
The head of HBO is like, we're good till the
end of the year and then we're we got nothing.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Like yeah, So man, it is crazy, like we had
one of the biggest years I think in our lifetime
of TV, like this past year, and then just now
seeing it, like it's gonna be some of the worst
TV we've ever seen in the next year or two.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
And it's Joe and I shot Baby, here we go.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Dude, strangers. What are we gonna do with stranger things?
It's never going to finish. They're never gonna finish. It's
gonna be like show and they're gonna be like in
their forties, they're gonna I'll be Harry.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It's gonna write a time skip. They're gonna write in
a time skip.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
They're gonna be like gonna we and then the what's
there the brothers who write that show.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I can't remember what their name is. They're gonna be like,
we intended the time, skip the entire time, We intended
this to be the way. And you're like, sure, sure,
Mike was supposed to be twenty seven when this came out,
you know, to more things that are ridiculous. Let's talk
about Jason Alden.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, very ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, this this is the man of ridiculousness. Along with
having the worst bar on earth on Broadway, Jason Aldan
has been thrust into the public eye. You can tell
I have beef not I have beef with Jason Aldan,
but I also be for that bar.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, okay, our opinion it sucks.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I'm sure the people work there are great, but I
hated it. Anyway, Jason Alden has been thrust into the
public eye for another controversial song. He's just kind of
the king of being like, bro, I'm mad about something,
you know, and writing a song about it. And anyway,
(28:21):
first off, he wrote this controversial song that's in the
public eye has exploded. I'm just gonna give you that
right up front. He did not write the song, which
I want to throw out in the beginning of this.
He actually just performs the song, which is very normal
with country music, but the way he talks about it
makes it feel like you're he wrote the song.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
He did not. So this song is called quote try
that in a Small Town, which.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You can maybe see where I'm going with this if
you've not heard of this story yet, Try that in
a small town? Is you know, a song about togetherness?
No is a very diversial song and was kind of
brewing a fire. And it came out in May and
basically it was, you know, it was a regular Jason
(29:09):
Alden country you kind of hit, you know nothing crazy,
and then this music video came out this month in July,
and that just dumped gasoline over this entire situation.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I cannot escape this story.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
But I was waiting for more kind of you know,
arguments and discourse to come out before I started talking
about it on the show. So yeah, I encourage you
to listen to the song if you want to pause
the show and come back. This will give you a
kind of the vibe I did for the show multiple times,
so you can suffer with me too. But now you
(29:45):
can tell him it's such a Jason Aldeen fan, but
like no, for real, it goes on a song come back.
We'll wait for you anyway for the uninitiated that aren't
gonna do that shame joke. But like, basically, this song
has so much controversy because it has a lot of
threatening kind of lyrics, and basically the theme of the
(30:07):
song is kind of consequences for committing crime in a
small town, which I mean, I guess that's country, you
know what is Jason sings some of the crimes in
the song. He says, quote cuts out a cop, spit
in his face, stomp on a flag, light it up. Yeah,
you think you're tough hard right now.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Which I would like to point out, stomping on a
flag or lighting it on fire.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Is constitutionally protected.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
It is a constitutionally protected freedom.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I'm not even joking. So the lighting up.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
The cops should endorse burning flags.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Right, It's a free speech thing. So I just wanted
to point that out.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
But he, you know, lays out other crimes like robbing
a liquor store, all that kind of stuff. I'll give
him fair on that one. He then retorts, which this
is the chorus of the song. He goes, quote, well
try that a small town. See how far you make
it down the road. Around here, we take care of
our own you cross the line, it won't take long
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for you to find out. I recommend you don't try
that in a small town. Wow, tough, he's talking about littering. No,
he's not anyway. Jason then goes on to say, quote,
got a gun that my granddad gave me. They say
(31:32):
one day they're gonna round up. Well, that shit might
fly in the city. Good luck, okay. And then lastly,
I gotta mention this last thing, which got a lot
of heat lyric wise, he goes quote full of good
old boys raised up right if you're looking for a fight,
and then he repeats the chorus kind of over again.
(31:52):
That was most of the song. By the way, it's
not a long song, but I just read off and
we know historically good the term good olds has you know,
is really shined upon an American society. No, it's not,
God damn it, it's sorry. This is so annoying because everybody,
all these people are like, he doesn't mean, he means
exactly that. That's what he means. I'm sorry again. Uh,
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this is seen as controversial, and clearly nothing good is
gonna happen with Jason and the good old Boys when
they come down with.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Grand Daddy's gun in the mob just this manner they're
kind of alluding to. Right again, this was already kind.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Of controversial in May, and just by the song by itself,
and then he released the music video, which Joe, I
know you would have a riot with the music video.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Just because I watched it.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Okay, we watched it did Okay, so not alone just
the weird editing of that video, but like the video
features a lot of protester footage and like kind of
like robbery kind of you know, like people breaking down
windows that kind of stuff, and it's in a it
like and then it cuts to Jason Aldan in front
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of this Columbia, Tennessee courthouse.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's like the reverse of the Pepsi commercial.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Where he gives them a coke and they go insane,
you know, like no, but like.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, like it.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
It's basically is the reverse of the pep Pepsi commercial,
but like with with Kendall, but yeah, like he it's
a courthouse that cut to him. You know, the guy's
rocking out and they're like you know, outfits and uh,
basically a lot of it has a lot of shots
of protests, Like I was saying with like scene transitions.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Literally there's a scene like.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Where it shows like cops and like the full swat
uniform and they're hitting people with batons as the chorus drops,
because I guess we're rooting for that.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I don't know what the hell these people want, you know,
And so a lot.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Because nothing's nothing's more rock and roll calm than supporting.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Cops, right god dude.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
And so anyway, a lot of people have come after
Alden obviously for the racial undertones that permeate this song,
as well as mob justice that permeates this song. One
you know fact that has come up to White as
well is that a lot of people have made a
(34:21):
lynching comparison to a lot of this, saying like that
mob justice mentality, the good old boys, all that kind
of stuff. And the courthouse that they filmed this music
video in front of is where an eighteen year old
man named Henry Chote was lynched in nineteen twenty seven.
Oh my god, the end, like it's just it's it's
(34:45):
beyond words, you know what I mean, Like with the
context of a song. And then also that I'm sure
people will say maybe they didn't know, maybe they didn't
maybe we should have looked this up anyway, and maybe
they did know you know what I mean. We don't
have an answer on that. I'll give him that. The
mayor of Columbia's actually commented on the situation because people
(35:05):
are eviscerating each other on X I guess now and
not Twitter, so they've commented on the.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Video of saying, really, I really didn't think X was
gonna get into this.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
We're making it and somehow not the dumbest thing in
the show.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
When he named his baby X too.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, and it's Kyle anyway. Anyway, the Colombian mayor said, quote,
I respect the artist's freedom of his own lyrics and
fans who support him, but I'm hopeful that the next
music video that uses our historic downtown as a backdrop,
we'll seek a more positive message. And I was like, yeah,
(35:49):
that was pretty on point, Mayor, Like if I was
the mayor, that's a that's a pretty good, you know,
middle of the road statement to give right there. Jason
has caused a cultural debate with you know, everybody fighting
X now with Elon Musk's son Kyle, But like you know,
we have very big people coming out. Travis Tripp came
out in support of him, and then Cheryl Crow, I like,
(36:09):
also says quote, there's nothing small town or American about
promoting violence. You should know that better than anyone having
survived a mass shooting. This is not American or small town,
like it's just lame, which is alluding to the Las
Vegas shooting at the festival that Jason was playing on
stage when that tragedy happened.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Which is why Chryl Crow's forever the biggest badass.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
She also comes from a small town in I believe, Missouri,
which is ten times smaller than Macon, Georgia, which is
where Jason's from, which is kind of also hitting it
on the mail. I do have to be fair. Let's
give Jason's response. Jason responded in a tweet or an
X I don't know ris, saying quote, in the past
(36:57):
twenty four hours, I've been used of releasing a pro
lynching song, a song that has been out since May
and was subject to the comparison that I direct quote
was not too pleased with the nationwide BLM protests. These
references are not only meritless, but dangerous. There is not
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a single lyric in the song that references race or
points to it. And there isn't a single video clip
that isn't real news footage. And while I can try
and respect others to have their own interpretation of a
song with music, this one goes far. And if there's okay,
I the one I have to point out, other than
the whole ridiculousness of this statement is this isn't real
(37:42):
news footage. I mean, this is this isn't God. I
can't believe this, This isn't real news footage. Like, okay,
it doesn't make it not terrible with the context.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Of this way song didn't say it was real.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Sorry, I only read part of it. There isn't a
single video clip that isn't real news footage, so it
is real news footage.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
It doesn't mean that I.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Can play like insensitive clips just around, you know what
I mean, Like I can't just be like it's.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Real, though you can also edit a lot like oh yeah,
context is anything, right, So I just that was the
one that, like, out of the whole thing, I was like,
that's the most not defense ever.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Anyway, Jason has financially reaped the huge benefits from the
song and now has probably his highest career high. Ever
basically because of this song, so.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Let me let me talk about it.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
So other than the negative comments that you know are
in the discourse, the industry hasn't done much to kind of,
you know, make comments or anything about what's going on
with Jason and all this stuff. The only industry like
organization that has really made any effort to disassociate has
(39:02):
been CMT because they drop the video of the song
from their playlisting, which good move for y'all, and anyway,
that has not stopped the success of the song at all.
There has been no industry blowback, nothing close to any
other country musician blowback that we have seen. So the
(39:23):
video on YouTube, even with CMT cutting the video from
the song or the video of the song from their
different channels in different media, the video on YouTube currently
sets at twenty three million views and it has a
load of positive comments all through it, which makes sense
(39:44):
to me, Like, you know, if you're coming to look
for the song or whatever, you're probably wanting to know.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
You know, I wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
It from a journalistic perspective, but there's a lot of
onlookers that come in and comments are generally a minority
of the people that are watching the video that's you
know the idea on twit where it's get ratio if
you have a lot more comments anyway or X.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
My bad gotta get used to that.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Jason is now currently by the way, this is the
one that blows me away. Number one on the Billboard
Hot one hundred chart, not the country chart, the hundred chart,
so like the chart that every artist wishes in their
career to be on top of. He is number one
right now and this has launched al Dean back to
(40:30):
the forefront of popular music. This is his first number
one ever ever, and this is the third longest gap
between an artist's first chart on the one hundred to
their last. It's been seventeen years since he's been on
that chart. So when I say he's being brought to
the forefront of popular music again, he is. This song
(40:53):
also joins only twenty other country songs as the as
a country song to get on number one the country
chart and number one on the Billboard Hot one hundred.
This is one of the twenty or one of the
twenty one songs of country music that it's ever made
it to the top, to the top, to the top,
(41:14):
which is insane. This is also the first time ever
that the top three slots of the Billboard one hundred
have been country music. Because you have Jason Alden, you
have Morgan Wallen's Last Night, and then you have a
cover of Fast Car by Luke Combs at number three. Wow,
this is like whatever you think about the situation, the
(41:38):
chart information of this is insane, right, this is like irregular,
Like you do not see this right. Country music has
big hits, but since you know Morgan Wallen's rise and
then fall and then rise again, it has not remained
at this high of a level almost ever, right, Like,
(42:00):
literally only twenty other country songs have been on number
one Country chart and number one Billboard Hot one hundred chart.
So my question that I asked everybody was about controversy,
and so I'm going to ask Joe the same question.
I don't know what you voted on the poll, Joe,
if you want to vote on our polls or at
the BIS tape pretty much everywhere but mostly on Instagram.
What am I talking about? It's a quote is being
(42:23):
canceled the secret to country music's success?
Speaker 2 (42:29):
I would say no. I would say no because I mean,
I think it's maybe here Asterix. I'd say no if
you don't identify as a man, because if we say, wow,
the Dixie Chicks.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Wow, that's a really good answer.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that that is currently what's going
on on on and but when it comes to like,
there's always gonna be a counterculture movement on anything, there's
gonna be a movement, and then there's gonna be another
movement counteracting that movement. And although these numbers seem high,
(43:19):
they're not. They're they're not that high in the music industry.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Some of the music industry, these are like, these aren't numbers.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Well, I would argue yes and no. So for instance,
for country music, it's huge from the reference point of
being in country music, right because one of my favorite
pet peeves ever living in Nashville is people go, we
got a number one on the chart, we got a
number three on the chart, and I go, you got
a number one on the country chart.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
The last time Jason with one of his breakout hits
was on here, he was like number forty, right, which
is still big. It's not nothing, but you know the way,
if you live around Nashville, or no country music people
flaunt that it's the biggest thing ever, it's not, you
know what I mean, it's not most of the time.
But I would say in retrospect to historical stuff and
(44:19):
even going on data, actually Billboard hits on this that
country music has been up twenty percent year over year, right,
And that's insane like for a genre to do that, right,
And so I think, and Morgan Wallen's last Night number
one is you know that album Dangerous is up there
(44:43):
and continues to be up there and may breach the
chart as one of the longest charting pieces of music
right for its accolades and sales and everything. So in
terms of like from country music, yes, this is like huge, big,
but I get what you mean because this is just
one genre, right, and country music as an irre irregularity,
(45:10):
like in that Hot one hundred is in irregularity. It
doesn't happen that much. But what's weird and happening right
now in the last year or two is that it's
popping off exceedingly well and it's interesting to see it
come to the forefront so readily.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
I would love.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
I think there's a couple of things that I would
be interested in with this data. When it comes to
country music, number one is the amount of country fans
that are going to streaming now. It is you know,
we've joked on the show all the time about how
radio's dyeing all this kind of stuff, and country music
is kind of one of the last bastions of terrestrial radio.
(45:55):
But that means that there's a lot of untapped market
for them when it comes to streaming wise, right, and
so there's a lot of people jumping that ship and
streaming an incredible amount more country music than other artists.
So it's getting a huge boost in comparison to everything.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Which is what a chart is. It's a comparison to
everything else. Right. The other thing I will say is.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
The prevalence of country music to buy right, because one
thing that's huge about Billboard charts and charts in general
is that a stream does not equal a bye right.
You have to do hundreds of streams to get one
buy right thousands, you know what I mean. So for
(46:38):
country music fans and the amount of sales that I
know are going on there, this shows that they're buying it,
which is a lot more consumer power in that front. Right,
kind of when we were talking about earlier. This is
upfront money ten dollars. One thing that's interesting that I
think is kind of hilarious is, other than being one
of the last bastions of terrestrial radio, you know what,
(46:59):
another service country music is one of the last bastions.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Of And Joe's gonna dieb this it cigarettes? Right, no
vaping under but iTunes Mack de Marca Right, No, but
like iTunes seriously like a lot? Do you And here's
the thing, do you hear like other artists that aren't
(47:26):
country music ever talking about iTunes for God's sakes?
Speaker 2 (47:30):
No, right back when the iTunes chart was popping off, baby.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Right, the country is really big in iTunes. Still in
physically buying stuff which will populate you more on the chart.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Now.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
That's the thing with the chart, though, is the charts
are designed to try to be accurate to consumer interest, right,
But at the same time they're calculated. But you can
also know the things that make charting work differently. Right,
(48:05):
Buying things will exponentially increase your ability on the chart,
which is why Billboard banned merch bundles to be checked
on the chart. Right, you had to have a separate
fee for a CD. It had to be. It can
be a shirt and a CD for thirty bucks, it
had to be a shirt plus a CD. They're fifteen
dollars each, showing the consumer that you have a choice
(48:26):
of buying it, right, That's how people used to scam
the chart all the time. But now I think because
country music is embracing a lot of technology more and
more and they still have that buyer's mentality, I think
they're really hitting the chart and it's because of the
way the chart has biases towards that music. Do I
(48:50):
think that it is underestimating country music? Absolutely not. Country
music is huge. I do think there is kind of
a giant, you know, exponential increase right now, right, I
cannot deny that. But do I think that the fan
base of country music impacts the chart in a more
positive way because of the way they consume music, Yes,
(49:13):
you know, And that's what I think is interesting And
at the end of the day, I think that's one
of the biggest things that I take away from this,
you know, because this is career stuff. Back of courage again,
I was joking about how Nashville will go off the chain,
about being you know, they'll they'll just say we're number
(49:34):
one on the chart and they'll never refer to as
the country music chart. This is stuff that will go
down in history. People will be like country music was
at its top right now, you know what I mean?
If not, if it's not going to get bigger. So
it's interesting to watch that all happen. And I think
one of the things that maybe you can talk on, Joe,
is the power of video here is I think also
(49:57):
really showing you know what I mean. This song wasn't
a big song until that video came out, as you know,
as controversial as that video is, right, but that video
propelled that song, which is like kind of showing the
power of video is that if you have a video
that people want to watch, in this case, a lot
(50:18):
of them want to watch to hate on it, or
one want to watch in defiance to watch it, you
know what I mean. But still, like the power of
video is insane. Would you agree that the power of
video is propelling this so much compared to just the
song itself.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, I mean I think it just kind of threw
it in people's conscious like consciousness to some level. Yes,
I agree with that assessment of like video itself is
more powerful than because I think we're just all innately
online more and looking up all visual things. Right now,
when it comes to the when it comes to the
(51:00):
level of uh my bias, I hate this video, I'm
just gonna say it of the past. I mean, I
don't think it's I think it's a lame video just objectively.
I don't think it's like a very like great music video.
I also just I personally have a lot of problems
(51:22):
with Al Dean, uh just because of a lot of
his political I just yeah, well just historically his political
takes and stances are just garbage. So it's really hard
for me to sit there and like listen to his
half assed pr statement come out and be like, well, guys,
didn't actually say the thing, you know, like I didn't
(51:45):
actually do it. I just like kind of lead you
guys there, you know, but I didn't actually say anything.
But when it comes to like the power of video, yes,
I think that's the case. I think country country fans, yes,
they buy shit, but they only buy shit that that
is rooted in their political way. And I think that
(52:06):
in a lot of cases. I think very soon, I
think in the next ten years, it's going to drop
because I think a lot of country fans are going to,
for lack of a better analogy, age out of a
lot of these artists. I think a lot of these
artists have older fan bases that are may not be around,
(52:29):
uh in the next ten twenty years, And I think
that I think trends are going to shift for sure.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
I think I hope that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
I think there's a lot of people that support this
controversial thing just because you know, it feels.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Like, well, it's their political view, it fuels their political view.
A lot of people are buying it who don't even
like Jason Albean, but they actually believe in the statement
of right, we saw the same thing, yeah exactly, because
oh he's a hot button topic, so let me support
this brave soul who's fighting the good fight. Yeah, you know,
(53:09):
like in their view, but I don't actually think that.
It's like a ton of music fans.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
Well, and my thing is is that Jason is catering
to his audience, right, and you know, think of that
the way he is, but the way it is, but
he is right' that's what he's doing. And I think
that that's why I use the fire metaphors because he's
fewing the fires that the more kind of eyes he
(53:38):
gets on this, good or bad, he's getting a win
win because he's getting people talking about it, you know
what I mean. And Jason's brand is based on these
kind of controversial takes, right, He's based on being a
good old boy, right, And so I think for him,
the reason that it succeeds for him financially is because
(53:59):
it works because it goes into his demo, right, you know,
in the same way, which is why it's for me
very sad to see because as someone who moved to
Nashville and was not a country guy at all, there's
some country I like, and there's some country people that
I've met that are very good and you know, opened,
(54:20):
and you know, very uh, very very uh. Let's say
I would describe as a new wave of country that
I could get behind, right. And I feel like when
stuff like this happens, it's just a you know, all
these people all the time will go country music is changing,
We're changing it from the inside. All these organizations will
be like, we're changing it from the inside, doing all this,
(54:43):
and then this happens, and I just feel like this
is the biggest middle finger to what some of these
people that I know are trying to get away from, right,
And so I think there are legitimately people in country
music that are trying to represent people that Jason Alden
doesn't represent, and I think it's you know, a middle
(55:07):
finger to them. And then I also think there's a.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
Good majority of it that are just enabling this, you
know what I mean, that are enabling this to be
the only way that country music can exist.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, I mean country music and enabling is kind of
goes hand in.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
Hand, right, And I think you have enabling every genre
of different things. I mean, but like, this is country
music's bane, you know what I mean? This is it
right here? This if you wanted, I think, if you
wanted a great example to show the problems with country music,
this is it. Like I think, if you wanted a
(55:49):
like if I was teaching a class about how country
music is trying to evolve and be more inclusive and
stuff like that, this would be one of my examples
of we got a long way to go, right, And so, yeah,
I mean I don't mean to put it so blowingly.
I usually don't do it on the show, but that's
(56:09):
you know, kind of how I feel about it. I mean,
at the end of the day, you can feel however
you want to. And so far, Jason, there's nothing getting
around it is benefiting financially from this a lot.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
Yeah, I'm sure. I think we could even get into
another discussion, probably not now, but another time of just
like how like what is helping the situation and what's
just getting people more money?
Speaker 3 (56:35):
Oh yeah, And that's like a great ethical question to ask.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
Because a lot of these.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
Should we be talking about it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (56:42):
Yeah, if you don't like a lot of these people
in the public eye, I mean, the biggest thing is
just to ignore them, right, you know. But part of
that is also like if you're ignoring it, are you
like also.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
Ignoring like the life itself, horrible.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Thing that comes with you know, Like there's some things
you can't ignore, and that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (57:00):
But oh yeah, I mean that's a hard conversation to have,
and that's a big one. We can table it right now.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
But this is definitely something that I think the music
industry struggles with. It's like, what is putting you know,
what is putting an eye on a situation that is
you know, unacceptable in somebody's eyes, and what is you know,
enabling someone to get in front of someone else, right,
And that's one that you know, not only the music
(57:29):
industry but celebrity itself has always struggled with.
Speaker 3 (57:32):
So I guess it's up to you. I think in
the purposes of our show, I wanted to talk about
it because it's a prime example of it. And we
try to talk about stuff that's you know, music business
oriented and prime examples and sadly will happen again.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
But is it worth you, you know, posting on your
Facebook page being like, I'm really outraged at this music
video and then getting out of it.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
I don't know what people on Facebook would be outraged
by it or on the opposite side.
Speaker 3 (58:01):
I think it depends on what kind of Facebook you're on,
you know. But yeah, it's just, uh, it's definitely.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
I think what's apparent in this situation at the end
of the day is we know what the cause and
effect is, right, we know why people find this controversial,
we know why people are talking about it, and the
effect is Jason al Dean is having a renaissance of
his career, right that that's what's happening at the end
(58:32):
of the day. And you know, as much as this
is a controversial thing, like, it has sides to it, right,
and you can be on whatever side you want. That's
the thing we can't argue with, right, That's the thing
no one can argue with. We know why it's controversial,
and we know what happens. The question now is is
(58:53):
this the regular from now on for country music and
for music itself? Will this continue on for the rest
of our lives and the rest of your children's lives
and stuff. My answer would hopefully be no, but we'll
have to see from there. So I I you know,
I would take this cause this causality with you if I.
Speaker 3 (59:12):
Was listening you know anyway, Joe, what have you been
listening to?
Speaker 4 (59:22):
Man?
Speaker 2 (59:22):
I have been listening to a lot of stuff. Actually,
I got into a friend of mine actually recommended the Wheepees, which.
Speaker 3 (59:32):
We're gonna say Weezer, and I was gonna last from
Recanize this bank called Weezer.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
Not Weezer this week, but yeah, it's it's a band
called the Wheepees. I guess they're kind of like big
in like the early two thousands vibe. They like kind
of Y two K vibe. Into the nineties.
Speaker 3 (59:52):
You're not taking away that you're not actually talking about
Weezer c going.
Speaker 2 (59:59):
But Ben, let's listening to them a little bit, especially
the song not Your Year. I think it's an amazing,
amazing track. Also, listen to spill tab with track anybody Else.
It's a really, really good, good song. And then I've
been listening to a lot of Methyl Ethyl again. My
(01:00:22):
favorite song by them, Real Tight, which is really it's
a really it's a tight song, So check it out. Cal.
What have you been listening to?
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Oh, let's see, I've been listening to speaking of country music,
Jason Aldean.
Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Now I'm checking, But like I did listen to the
song for that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
And then we had I was listening to because we
love karaoke in this town. I have to prepare my
country karaoke because you know, I got to have a couple, right.
And so my one of my favorites is Sold by
John Michael Montgomery, which.
Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Is, Hey, little Lady, want you to give me a soign?
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
You know, most fucking nash people have heard that, but
I think it's like it's a really funny song. It's
a very southern song, like it just cannot exist anywhere
else because it's literally called like the first lines are
about the Grundy County Auction. Literally the name of the song,
which I think is so wild, is sould Parenthesy, the
Grundy County Auction incident and Parenthesy. But it's just a
(01:01:23):
little wild like nineties country song that I just think
is like so goofy. I actually was talking about this
the other today actually with some coworkers. I said, I
think the reason that like country music is so sometimes
fun for me is the same reason that like metal
music is fun for me sometimes because it feels like
putting on a character, you know what I mean. I'm
(01:01:44):
not a cowboy, but it is really fun to go.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Hey, no, only anyone should give me a sun you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Know what I mean. It's just like it feels like
I'm in theater, you know what I mean, in the
same way that like if I'm doing a megadeath and
it's like just like the bibe bibeer, You're like, what
are you talking about it? It's like, no, it's my character.
It's my character, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I'm getting into the role. That's kind of the songs
I've been on lately. It's just that kind of stuff
because it's just.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Like, I know, there are some human beings.
Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Out there that feel like this is me and that's great,
But for me, it feels like a hyperbole character half
the time to be like, you know, over here trying
to get a girl on an auction.
Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
You know what I mean. But anyway, it is what
it is. It's it's just really fun kind of music
to play. That's just like very like I would say,
circul where. I really like the guitar part in that
song too. It's just like very spaghetti western style too.
So I'll leave you with that. Some country music I
can actually give my stamp of approval on.
Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Hell yeah, well we're at the end of our rope.
Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
I want you for some I for some fucking reason,
I'm such a fidgetter. I literally am sitting here with
a pen, and for some reason, I write, as I said,
a music that I can give like my you know,
mark on I can approve of. I wrote an a
on my thigh with a pin and now I just
(01:03:13):
have to live with that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I already took a shower today. I can't get this off. Wait, Colin,
I think you gotta get the tattooed.
Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
I wrote a plus, it's not even right side up,
it's even it's like I like my my my brain
was like.
Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
We'll just put a right here, and then I just god,
damn it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I again, all right, all right, we gotta we got
in the podcast we're calling, writes the alphabet.
Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
I threw the pen away.
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
That's the that's just like put the cap on.
Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
You so much for listening. We'll catch you next time.
Jason Aldean try that in a small down controversy.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And how the writers strike is affecting the music industry.
You're listening to the biz tape?
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Wasn't the biz tape? You're all things music, business and
media podcasts. I'm yours con McKay with my co host
Joseph Wisewski Coast to Coast here for another episode.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Of Until I'm Gone Until Joe's Gone Again. John, I
mean John, John.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Our other third podcast host you've never heard of before Joe.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
So he's just never here.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
He's just never available. He's just always off someway or
doing some.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
John's actually my alter ego. He's like he steps in
for me.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, Joe's in like a split kind of movie scenario.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Where have you seen arm Insteller? That's where I'm at.
I'm in the little You're in the wall room. Yeah,
Yeah'm buying the bookshelf.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, everybody's freaking busy.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Urh murfh oh god, what a movie.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I got really dark for a second there, Yeah, which
I actually I rewatched that movie, and I will say,
people shout on that movie. It's an amazing movie. It
holds up so good. Is a little weird.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I think the funniest part is I think I've said
on this show before, which is hilarious for me to
say this after I say it, that movie came out
at the same time as the worst movie. That's like,
you know when two movies come out around the same
time and they're around like the same theme. And also
kind of saying set piece, Well, that was Interstellar and Gravity.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Remember that movie was horrible.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It was like so bad, and everybody was like trying
to defend it just from cinemata graphy, and I was like,
that's great, but likemember, where's the whole movie?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
D the movie? Like George Clooney was in the whole
movie and then.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
He oh my god, spoilers for a movie that came
out ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Oh man, oh, Joe.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I will say, like, the the cool thing about that
movie is like the bts of like how they film
the ship and everything. It's like it's really really cool.
But the actual movie itself is hot garbage because it's
very boring. You're just following who who?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
You're Sandra Bullocking it up.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yes, you're following Sandra Bullock, which, like we love Sandra Bullock,
but like it's literally just her crying. She adopted a young.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Alien in the movie to take care of and he
plays football.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
No wrong movie.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Sorry, anyway, let's just start this freaking show for God's sakes.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Uh, I don't even know what Joe has. By the way,
we're just gonna go right into it.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, we're just we're kind of we're kind of doing
a little a little surprise episode for each other.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, right, we're just gonna do. We don't know what's
going on. Can I start with mine? Joe? What is yours? Actually?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Mine? Mine's about the writer's strike a little bit, but also, okay,
it goes into the music industry, so well, if.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I don't know you that, like, mind what the only
reason I'm asking is, I was like, knowing our brains,
we would pick the same story. So I was like,
literally in my brain, I was like, please for the instatory.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I saw your Instagram post.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Okay, yes, we do have our Instagram story at the
Viz tape pretty much everywhere. If you want to follow
that about you know a hint of what we're talking about,
which we didn't get to talk about last week since
we were off. But Joe, let's start with the writer
strike and then I'll get into the most new controversial
country song yet.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Amazing. So, as the Hollywood strike continues to rage on
with sag Aftra and w GA joining the picket lines,
the music sink business has halted to a almost complete standstill. So,
if you don't know, the sink business or the sink
arm of the entertainment industry is a one point five
(04:10):
billion dollar RB in the with a B, big old
B in the entertainment industry and was actually like set
to rise over the next couple of years, and it
is now completely halted pretty much because of the writers strike, because,
as we know, pretty much every single production except those
productions that our union approved have completely halted. But for
(04:35):
those of you who don't know, the sinc industry is
responsible for the placements of your favorite songs in your
favorite shows and movies. Many people are responsible for these
creative choices, most notably music supervisors, who shift through hundreds
and thousands of submissions in order to find the perfect
(04:56):
song for the perfect scene. However, most supervisors, which I
feel like most people in the music industry don't even
know this. Most supervisors are freelance contractors and they're hired
on per project and are not unionized, even though many
working under Netflix, for example, have filed to join Ayatzi,
(05:17):
which is still very much pinning. It's kind of that's true.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Interesting, Yeah, very.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, it's very like old. It's like one of the
more older sections of the industry to some extent. I
feel like sink really took off with TV and then
like kind of fell into film after that, after like
a lot of these shows and like TV shows were
starting to get more and more.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And I would say it's one of the oldest kind
of recorded bass pieces of music because you got to
think all the way back to like the Silver Age,
like they would produce a piano score that would go
up with the movie and this guy you know talkies
before talking you kids anyway, before kids were talking in movies,
(06:04):
you know, like they'd have a piano player on the
side of a movie theater and like that's they what
they would do. That was the score, that was what
was synced to the movie.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, I mean it's it's pretty baffling. And I think
a lot of that has to do with kind of
the structure of the industry right with like a lot
of these supervisors being contracted labor, they haven't really had
a chance to unionize together because when you're when you're
kind of in a contract job, it's which like for
(06:36):
instance me, I'm in a lot of content contractual work,
and I would say that the reason we don't have
a union is because, like a lot of the times,
we don't talk to each other. A lot of recards,
Like I don't really talk to a ton of other
photographers or videographers. There's only like a handful of people
(06:59):
that I actually know in the rest of the people
I actually interact with or like clients and like client
teams and stuff like that. So it's very like it's
a very lonely leg of the job, right you only
have a couple of points of contact, and so over
the years, I feel like it's a lot of these
(07:20):
I guess studios have kind of taken upon themselves to
kind of like cut that a little bit out of it.
But I think as more and more money rolls in,
it's getting less and less like it doesn't make much
sense that these people don't have a union essentially, especially
with how much money they're.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Making, especially how dominant, Like you know where I live
in Nashville, you know, there's nothing like that, but there's
also no unions anyway, right, It is kind of weird
if you think about it, in the grand scheme that
literally all of Hollywood is unionized except for the music supervisors,
you know what I mean, they're the ones that are out.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I would actually say, like you would think all of
Hollywood's unionized, but there's still like a lot of productions,
including myself, Like I am not union. I would love
to be union. Boom please don't boom me hum. But
the main thing is, like I work primarily in the
music industry, and so it's like it's the music industry
(08:20):
is very even though like this is kind of the
arm that connects the two, right the sink industry to
like the music industry to the on screen industry. It's
very separate for the most part when it comes to
everything else. And so a lot of things are like
you know, a lot of small businesses and a lot
(08:41):
of small content collect collection firms and like that kind
of stuff where like very much permeating throughout LA. But
if you're working on like classic film sets and stuff like,
all of those are unionized because a lot of the
times they won't even let you on set unless you
are union member. So, but what does this mean for
(09:04):
the industry, Well, according to some experts, it means pivoting
until the industry heals, such as pitching to the gaming industry,
which has earned a whopping one hundred and thirty eight
billion dollars in twenty twenty and is still the highest
grossing arm in the entertainment space. I remember nothing.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
There was about three years when I was about thirteen
where Fortunate Son was in like fifteen war games.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, and I was like every Call of Duty game ever.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah, some folks about made right Mason, you know, like
that was all it was like literally, and I just I,
you know, it is funny because we overlook at so
much sometimes with video games, especially with music.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, I mean for sure. I Actually what's surprising is
like a lot of the payouts for games are higher
than movie television because they have more money, and and
the thing about that is like in some respect it
like I guess games are are a bit different because
you can actually trade out the song. So it's like,
(10:12):
for instance, Fortnite, right, huge, huge competition in the sync
space for that particular game. One of the reasons is
because it had Fortnite Radio, Fornite Radio where your five,
your old cousin and you're also friend who's like twenty
eight years old is like also listening too.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
But you remember when we talked about it when he
was on there, And remember when we talked about when
Travis Scott nothing could happen to his career at all
when he was on top of the world with Fortnite.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah exactly. But yeah, I mean, besides the concerts, like
the actual radio station, like you can change and like
it's the same for GTA and so too. They can
actually switch those songs out through an update, and so
like in some respect you might I'd have the opportunity
to get some of your other songs in those games
continual pitching, Yeah, exactly, and in a lot of In
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a lot of ways, the sink world is very much
a one time payment. So it's like, if my song's
only on there for like three months, as opposed to
the whole time the thing exists, might actually be a
better deal if I'm getting paid more money for it.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It's definitely one of the few markets of music that
is like upfront payment, like just straight upfront payment for
stuff like that. You know, like if you if I
was like an artist and I need to start making
like money, which is like every freaking TikTok producer that's like, hey, guys,
have you ever heard of sink licensing?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
You know?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
But no, like seriously, the reason why that always is
there is because it's just upfront money.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Now, pay the taxes on that money most of the time.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
But still it's it's amazing because, like you know, like
compared to the rest of the industry, it's you're getting
some percentage that's coming through that's getting broken down and
then you know, you go to a movie studio or
a video game company and they're like, here's four grand goodbye,
you know.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, and that's really rare. Now it's like the closest
thing I can think of being like.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
A patron, you know, when you were classical musicians and
Mozart being.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Like the king is paying for me, you know, but
it is. It is definitely a market that is ever growing,
and I think maybe would fill a hole for now
for Hollywood, but like, Hollywood is such a big deal.
And I was also going to put in there, like
you were saying the same way that you can continually
patch a game and put new music in there and
(12:40):
add new music, so you kind of have a pipeline
to keep pitching.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
The reason you can't do it with movies in particular
is because legally they are bound to the picture for
the rest.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Of that like that. It has to do with the
copyright of the film.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It is printed in it, yeah, and so it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Can never be removed, which is unlike TV shows. I
don't know if you remember that, Joe, but like when
Netflix started re releasing TV shows because for again for
the young folk out there who don't know about when
the talkies came out. Now, for the young folk out there,
I remember when Netflix first started doing like TV shows
(13:17):
and people used to complain all the time, and they
used to complain all the time about the sync music
because it would be different. I remember the big one
was Scrubs. Scrubs had completely different music in it than
it did when it aired, and that was insane at
the time because people were not used to that. So
(13:38):
for movies like it's a locked in deal. But for
games and TV now with streaming, you can actually make
you know, continually pitching this music over and over or
new music you find and be like, hey, Scrubs, you
don't want to pay five million dollars for this Rolling
Stone song? How about a Strets song, you know, or
something like that. But yeah, Joe, what do you think
(13:59):
of this hole though? Like that they're going to deal
with right now?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
You know, we don't.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Everybody's focusing on the writers and the actors just so,
but a lot of these writers and actors have brought
up the surrounding industry around these you know, giant businesses
at the end of the day, and these business from
music supervisors to catering to all that stuff. What do
we think about these music supervisors out there right now
(14:25):
that are ten ninety nine you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah, not u din or anything.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well, unfortunately, it means that, like COVID, a lot of
people are going to have to move on from their
supervisor positions depending on how long this strike takes place.
And if we've you know, historically this li I mean, what,
the last writer's strike didn't take a whole year at
least for there to be a deal, and we're not
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even close to that with this strike. And it seems
like both sides are in it for the long haul.
So because of that, a lot of these people, these
supervisors have also had to recently fire staff in order
to keep the lights on a bit, and a lot
of these staff members are coordinator positions that are more
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like a partnership. It's like you're with your supervisor and
your supervisor. It's like a two person gig pretty much.
And so you can imagine a lot of this is
very personal and like heartbreaking for a lot of these
people to let go some of their staff, right, But
unfortunately it's something that they have to do. And those
(15:35):
that are still lucky enough to secure some sinks are
only securing sinks in the post production process currently, which
will most likely end soon, and are already having issues
because a lot of the times in the post production
process you still need your writers in order to come
and give notes for it to make sense in the edit.
(15:58):
And then also they're getting some thinks through union approved productions,
which is very very rare. A twenty four, for example,
got approved on one of their productions to continue making
the movie and themselves, right, is that by the union themselves?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Like will you play by these rules? And then and.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Then they went yes, yeah, they said, of course. And
A twenty four being a indie filmmaking company, which I
think a lot of people forget. There's still very they're
still independent. They just distribute through majors right pretty much.
But they're they're able to meet the demands. So why
aren't these other companies able to meet the demands? Hmm,
(16:42):
who knows? But yeah, Eventually the strike may get to
a spot of complete and total entertainment emptiness, which is
somewhat the goal for writers and actors, but hopefully a
deal will be had before it gets to that point.
One of the main reasons it's a goal for them
is because when there is no new content coming out
(17:02):
and just a bunch of garbage content, that means subscriber
numbers are going to drop like crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
You're going to see all of us reality TV coming on?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, you're you're gonna start getting a lot more reality TV.
But I have a hypothesis on that. I feel like,
I feel like it's not going to be as big
of a boom as it was before because reality TV
when it boomed before was very new. It was it
was like this is the brand new thing.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
The last time the commercial actors went like on strike
was two thousand, which the year two thousand was like,
you know, right when reality TV first was becoming a thing,
you know what I mean. So yeah, I agree with
you on that one, like completely, and I just don't.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Think the hype is going to be as strong for it.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Well.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I think one thing that I will say kind of
a parable to the live side that I work in
is experience loss, and I think it will be very
palliative and very real for a lot of Hollywood and
production for a while. And what I mean by this
is that and there's a lot of people I've talked
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to with industries that have been primarily affected by COVID,
but I think this still also applies because this is
fundamentally a stop to work, right in the same way
that COVID was for the live side, right, So in
that same way, one of the biggest things we talk
about is just experienced loss, like all the time between
a lot of these big tech companies that are trying
(18:32):
to you know, do professional audio, do professional whiting, do
you know, staging all this kind of stuff. And the
reason why is because the entertainment industry specifically at the
time of COVID, had so many people that had to
leave because they couldn't have any work anymore, and they
needed to find a new job. And then they decided
to stay in their jobs right that they had got
(18:53):
during the pandemic, or you know, worse they passed away
during the pandemic, or worse, you know, they we're putting
such dire financial traits they can't work anymore, you know
what I mean, either health wise or just like you know,
mental state, all that kind of stuff. Not to bring
a big, you know, sad moment into the show, but
it's true. And so I think personally with all these strikes,
(19:17):
is that we will see for a minute, you know,
the strike has been going on for a historically long
amount of time. I mean, the like longest sax strife
was six months in two thousand, right, and this one
has a lot of esteem to it. It's got a
lot more unions as a part of it, right, And
(19:39):
so I wonder, especially not even just from an actor front,
or you know, like say like a master carpenter or
you know, like these music supervisors. I wonder these other
industries that will be affected by it, and these specialists
that will have to take their skills and move somewhere
else because they need to live right, and I wonder
(20:02):
which ones we will lose in the same way that
I've experienced it personally in my work, where we just
lose this experience, right, the ability and like you know,
I don't acting, you know, is one thing. I'm sure
there are actors that are like I might go in
to retirement, you know what I mean, that are on
the older end, right and everything. But I'm talking about
(20:25):
like skills that are very apparent in delay production by.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
A long time. For instance, like my master carpenter example,
like building a film set is not like building a house, right,
it is very fast, it is, you know, very detail oriented,
all this kind of stuff that takes a specific skill
set that you cannot just get someone that knows how
to build an a frame of a house and they
(20:52):
can build a set, right. And so I wonder for
people like that that have skills that can transfer to
other industry, what these strikes will leave, you know what
I mean. And the same thing with these music supervisors, right,
they have less protections because they're not part of these unions,
so there's less of a reason to stay because they
(21:12):
feel like even if they bite the bullet and feel
the burden, they might not get the benefits that these
unions get. So maybe we will see a lot of
them that are literally, like you said, one person two
person teams migrate away and go, well, I'm going to
go back into traditional music right now because traditional music
isn't on strike, for instance.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And that is that is a lot of publishers' goals
right now, because a lot of publishers have a sink
arm and before the strike, I mean, the biggest I
would actually say it was increasing a lot more towards
I guess the culmination of the strike, but a lot
of focus and resources we're going into sink arm stuff,
(21:54):
and even people signing to publishers, like the biggest thing
artists wanted was a sink deal, right, That's like that's oh,
that's the crown achievements.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
That was without you know, literally killing and hurting your
body every day, touring every day your life. This was
the closest that you could come to, you know, straightforward,
big check revenue that has value and will pay out
over time.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
As well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And so and like Joe is saying, these are one
to two man teams. These are small networking, you know,
very personal deals. So if you get in that world,
that's your golden ticket to get more. Right, So it's
it's you know, zink has always been one of the
(22:48):
last bastions for an artist really right now to gain revenue,
since streaming historically has done.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Nothing, especially during COVID.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
To me, oh yeah, that was the backbone, right we
had no live sink, you know, streaming to joke and
uh yeah, I mean that that was the thing. Like
my joke about producers on TikTok being like, have you
guys who were heard sink licensing?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I joke at them, but they're they're right, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
It's just more of like you know, when I come
across six tiktoks all saying that, it gets a little annoying.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
One thing about you. Ever opened TikTok and you just
get hit in the face with a bunch of unsolicited opinions.
Oh yeah, I'm like niche things that you're just like,
I didn't ask for this.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
You're like, they're always like like I get stuff, but
it'll be like this is the best sponge for your
tile shower, and you're like.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
All right, didn't really need this, but I guess.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I'm watching it, and then I'm sitting there and I'm like, wow,
that was really amazing. And then you look in the
top comment and it was like this sponge is a lie,
and I'm like, oh, well, they fooled me. Yeah, but
like and then people think about that with like coronavirus anyway, no,
but anyway, Like it's it's a situation that I think
(24:06):
people obviously are thinking more of my shows, where are
my shows right now? But I think more because of
my mindset from the pandemic of those people that will
be forced to exit the industry right even And you know,
I've some people are like big Hollywood, they voted for
this or whatever, and I'm like, that's one thing. There are,
(24:27):
you know, a bunch of union people that voted for it.
I completely support them, you know, I think this is
how they have power strengthen numbers. But there's also a
number of industries that are not union that are being
affected by this at the same time. Right And for instance,
like one of the things that I actually read about
which was really interesting that I didn't think about, and
(24:47):
maybe Joe you saw this too, was La was talking
about the food industry and the amount of like takeout
has decreased, like exponentially because of the lack of these
actors and these you know pas that would come down
and get a giant ordage.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, crafty is a huge thing out here.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Not even just like catering, like literally just restaurants around
where somebody would go like in between it, you know, their.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Shoes, yeah, and coffee.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
And so this is gonna be this whole thing we
we haven't really talked about on the show because it's
just it's so gargantuan that sometimes it was hard for
me and Joe to come up with thoughts with everything.
But like, yeah, like you were really starting to see
the effects.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Of it now, you know what I mean. It was
an idea the first couple of weeks ago, and now we're.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Now now even the shipping industry is kind of teasing
with the idea of striking currently, which is something else
to write.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And thankfully I saw the UPS made a deal with
h with the you know there were they called the Teamsters.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I believe it's the Union, yes, like, yes, yeah, the Teamsters.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, but that that literally was gonna be apocalyptic. But
still this is apocalyptic in terms of the next current,
you know, every day, this goes by adds six months
and that's where the downfall starts, right, So we're just
gonna keep seeing it from when this started plus six months.
So I mean literally, like I think I mentioned it. No,
(26:23):
I don't even think I mentioned it on the show HBO.
The head of HBO is like, we're good till the
end of the year and then we're we got nothing.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Like yeah, So man, it is crazy, like we had
one of the biggest years I think in our lifetime
of TV, like this past year, and then just now
seeing it, like it's gonna be some of the worst
TV we've ever seen in the next year or two.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
And it's Joe and I shot Baby, here we go.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Dude, strangers. What are we gonna do with stranger things?
It's never going to finish. They're never gonna finish. It's
gonna be like show and they're gonna be like in
their forties, they're gonna I'll be Harry.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It's gonna write a time skip. They're gonna write in
a time skip.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
They're gonna be like gonna we and then the what's
there the brothers who write that show.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I can't remember what their name is. They're gonna be like,
we intended the time, skip the entire time, We intended
this to be the way. And you're like, sure, sure,
Mike was supposed to be twenty seven when this came out,
you know, to more things that are ridiculous. Let's talk
about Jason Alden.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, very ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, this this is the man of ridiculousness. Along with
having the worst bar on earth on Broadway, Jason Aldan
has been thrust into the public eye. You can tell
I have beef not I have beef with Jason Aldan,
but I also be for that bar.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, okay, our opinion it sucks.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I'm sure the people work there are great, but I
hated it. Anyway, Jason Alden has been thrust into the
public eye for another controversial song. He's just kind of
the king of being like, bro, I'm mad about something,
you know, and writing a song about it. And anyway,
(28:21):
first off, he wrote this controversial song that's in the
public eye has exploded. I'm just gonna give you that
right up front. He did not write the song, which
I want to throw out in the beginning of this.
He actually just performs the song, which is very normal
with country music, but the way he talks about it
makes it feel like you're he wrote the song.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
He did not. So this song is called quote try
that in a Small Town, which.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You can maybe see where I'm going with this if
you've not heard of this story yet, Try that in
a small town? Is you know, a song about togetherness?
No is a very diversial song and was kind of
brewing a fire. And it came out in May and
basically it was, you know, it was a regular Jason
(29:09):
Alden country you kind of hit, you know nothing crazy,
and then this music video came out this month in July,
and that just dumped gasoline over this entire situation.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I cannot escape this story.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
But I was waiting for more kind of you know,
arguments and discourse to come out before I started talking
about it on the show. So yeah, I encourage you
to listen to the song if you want to pause
the show and come back. This will give you a
kind of the vibe I did for the show multiple times,
so you can suffer with me too. But now you
(29:45):
can tell him it's such a Jason Aldeen fan, but
like no, for real, it goes on a song come back.
We'll wait for you anyway for the uninitiated that aren't
gonna do that shame joke. But like, basically, this song
has so much controversy because it has a lot of
threatening kind of lyrics, and basically the theme of the
(30:07):
song is kind of consequences for committing crime in a
small town, which I mean, I guess that's country, you
know what is Jason sings some of the crimes in
the song. He says, quote cuts out a cop, spit
in his face, stomp on a flag, light it up. Yeah,
you think you're tough hard right now.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Which I would like to point out, stomping on a
flag or lighting it on fire.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Is constitutionally protected.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
It is a constitutionally protected freedom.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I'm not even joking. So the lighting up.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
The cops should endorse burning flags.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Right, It's a free speech thing. So I just wanted
to point that out.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
But he, you know, lays out other crimes like robbing
a liquor store, all that kind of stuff. I'll give
him fair on that one. He then retorts, which this
is the chorus of the song. He goes, quote, well
try that a small town. See how far you make
it down the road. Around here, we take care of
our own you cross the line, it won't take long
(31:10):
for you to find out. I recommend you don't try
that in a small town. Wow, tough, he's talking about littering. No,
he's not anyway. Jason then goes on to say, quote,
got a gun that my granddad gave me. They say
(31:32):
one day they're gonna round up. Well, that shit might
fly in the city. Good luck, okay. And then lastly,
I gotta mention this last thing, which got a lot
of heat lyric wise, he goes quote full of good
old boys raised up right if you're looking for a fight,
and then he repeats the chorus kind of over again.
(31:52):
That was most of the song. By the way, it's
not a long song, but I just read off and
we know historically good the term good olds has you know,
is really shined upon an American society. No, it's not,
God damn it, it's sorry. This is so annoying because everybody,
all these people are like, he doesn't mean, he means
exactly that. That's what he means. I'm sorry again. Uh,
(32:15):
this is seen as controversial, and clearly nothing good is
gonna happen with Jason and the good old Boys when
they come down with.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Grand Daddy's gun in the mob just this manner they're
kind of alluding to. Right again, this was already kind.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Of controversial in May, and just by the song by itself,
and then he released the music video, which Joe, I
know you would have a riot with the music video.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Just because I watched it.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Okay, we watched it did Okay, so not alone just
the weird editing of that video, but like the video
features a lot of protester footage and like kind of
like robbery kind of you know, like people breaking down
windows that kind of stuff, and it's in a it
like and then it cuts to Jason Aldan in front
(33:06):
of this Columbia, Tennessee courthouse.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's like the reverse of the Pepsi commercial.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Where he gives them a coke and they go insane,
you know, like no, but like.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, like it.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
It's basically is the reverse of the pep Pepsi commercial,
but like with with Kendall, but yeah, like he it's
a courthouse that cut to him. You know, the guy's
rocking out and they're like you know, outfits and uh,
basically a lot of it has a lot of shots
of protests, Like I was saying with like scene transitions.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Literally there's a scene like.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Where it shows like cops and like the full swat
uniform and they're hitting people with batons as the chorus drops,
because I guess we're rooting for that.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I don't know what the hell these people want, you know,
And so a lot.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Because nothing's nothing's more rock and roll calm than supporting.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Cops, right god dude.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
And so anyway, a lot of people have come after
Alden obviously for the racial undertones that permeate this song,
as well as mob justice that permeates this song. One
you know fact that has come up to White as
well is that a lot of people have made a
(34:21):
lynching comparison to a lot of this, saying like that
mob justice mentality, the good old boys, all that kind
of stuff. And the courthouse that they filmed this music
video in front of is where an eighteen year old
man named Henry Chote was lynched in nineteen twenty seven.
Oh my god, the end, like it's just it's it's
(34:45):
beyond words, you know what I mean, Like with the
context of a song. And then also that I'm sure
people will say maybe they didn't know, maybe they didn't
maybe we should have looked this up anyway, and maybe
they did know you know what I mean. We don't
have an answer on that. I'll give him that. The
mayor of Columbia's actually commented on the situation because people
(35:05):
are eviscerating each other on X I guess now and
not Twitter, so they've commented on the.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Video of saying, really, I really didn't think X was
gonna get into this.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
We're making it and somehow not the dumbest thing in
the show.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
When he named his baby X too.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, and it's Kyle anyway. Anyway, the Colombian mayor said, quote,
I respect the artist's freedom of his own lyrics and
fans who support him, but I'm hopeful that the next
music video that uses our historic downtown as a backdrop,
we'll seek a more positive message. And I was like, yeah,
(35:49):
that was pretty on point, Mayor, Like if I was
the mayor, that's a that's a pretty good, you know,
middle of the road statement to give right there. Jason
has caused a cultural debate with you know, everybody fighting
X now with Elon Musk's son Kyle, But like you know,
we have very big people coming out. Travis Tripp came
out in support of him, and then Cheryl Crow, I like,
(36:09):
also says quote, there's nothing small town or American about
promoting violence. You should know that better than anyone having
survived a mass shooting. This is not American or small town,
like it's just lame, which is alluding to the Las
Vegas shooting at the festival that Jason was playing on
stage when that tragedy happened.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Which is why Chryl Crow's forever the biggest badass.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
She also comes from a small town in I believe, Missouri,
which is ten times smaller than Macon, Georgia, which is
where Jason's from, which is kind of also hitting it
on the mail. I do have to be fair. Let's
give Jason's response. Jason responded in a tweet or an
X I don't know ris, saying quote, in the past
(36:57):
twenty four hours, I've been used of releasing a pro
lynching song, a song that has been out since May
and was subject to the comparison that I direct quote
was not too pleased with the nationwide BLM protests. These
references are not only meritless, but dangerous. There is not
(37:19):
a single lyric in the song that references race or
points to it. And there isn't a single video clip
that isn't real news footage. And while I can try
and respect others to have their own interpretation of a
song with music, this one goes far. And if there's okay,
I the one I have to point out, other than
the whole ridiculousness of this statement is this isn't real
(37:42):
news footage. I mean, this is this isn't God. I
can't believe this, This isn't real news footage. Like, okay,
it doesn't make it not terrible with the context.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Of this way song didn't say it was real.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Sorry, I only read part of it. There isn't a
single video clip that isn't real news footage, so it
is real news footage.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
It doesn't mean that I.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Can play like insensitive clips just around, you know what
I mean, Like I can't just be like it's.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Real, though you can also edit a lot like oh yeah,
context is anything, right, So I just that was the
one that, like, out of the whole thing, I was like,
that's the most not defense ever.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Anyway, Jason has financially reaped the huge benefits from the
song and now has probably his highest career high. Ever
basically because of this song, so.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Let me let me talk about it.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
So other than the negative comments that you know are
in the discourse, the industry hasn't done much to kind of,
you know, make comments or anything about what's going on
with Jason and all this stuff. The only industry like
organization that has really made any effort to disassociate has
(39:02):
been CMT because they drop the video of the song
from their playlisting, which good move for y'all, and anyway,
that has not stopped the success of the song at all.
There has been no industry blowback, nothing close to any
other country musician blowback that we have seen. So the
(39:23):
video on YouTube, even with CMT cutting the video from
the song or the video of the song from their
different channels in different media, the video on YouTube currently
sets at twenty three million views and it has a
load of positive comments all through it, which makes sense
(39:44):
to me, Like, you know, if you're coming to look
for the song or whatever, you're probably wanting to know.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
You know, I wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
It from a journalistic perspective, but there's a lot of
onlookers that come in and comments are generally a minority
of the people that are watching the video that's you
know the idea on twit where it's get ratio if
you have a lot more comments anyway or X.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
My bad gotta get used to that.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Jason is now currently by the way, this is the
one that blows me away. Number one on the Billboard
Hot one hundred chart, not the country chart, the hundred chart,
so like the chart that every artist wishes in their
career to be on top of. He is number one
right now and this has launched al Dean back to
(40:30):
the forefront of popular music. This is his first number
one ever ever, and this is the third longest gap
between an artist's first chart on the one hundred to
their last. It's been seventeen years since he's been on
that chart. So when I say he's being brought to
the forefront of popular music again, he is. This song
(40:53):
also joins only twenty other country songs as the as
a country song to get on number one the country
chart and number one on the Billboard Hot one hundred.
This is one of the twenty or one of the
twenty one songs of country music that it's ever made
it to the top, to the top, to the top,
(41:14):
which is insane. This is also the first time ever
that the top three slots of the Billboard one hundred
have been country music. Because you have Jason Alden, you
have Morgan Wallen's Last Night, and then you have a
cover of Fast Car by Luke Combs at number three. Wow,
this is like whatever you think about the situation, the
(41:38):
chart information of this is insane, right, this is like irregular,
Like you do not see this right. Country music has
big hits, but since you know Morgan Wallen's rise and
then fall and then rise again, it has not remained
at this high of a level almost ever, right, Like,
(42:00):
literally only twenty other country songs have been on number
one Country chart and number one Billboard Hot one hundred chart.
So my question that I asked everybody was about controversy,
and so I'm going to ask Joe the same question.
I don't know what you voted on the poll, Joe,
if you want to vote on our polls or at
the BIS tape pretty much everywhere but mostly on Instagram.
What am I talking about? It's a quote is being
(42:23):
canceled the secret to country music's success?
Speaker 2 (42:29):
I would say no. I would say no because I mean,
I think it's maybe here Asterix. I'd say no if
you don't identify as a man, because if we say, wow,
the Dixie Chicks.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Wow, that's a really good answer.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that that is currently what's going
on on on and but when it comes to like,
there's always gonna be a counterculture movement on anything, there's
gonna be a movement, and then there's gonna be another
movement counteracting that movement. And although these numbers seem high,
(43:19):
they're not. They're they're not that high in the music industry.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Some of the music industry, these are like, these aren't numbers.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Well, I would argue yes and no. So for instance,
for country music, it's huge from the reference point of
being in country music, right because one of my favorite
pet peeves ever living in Nashville is people go, we
got a number one on the chart, we got a
number three on the chart, and I go, you got
a number one on the country chart.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
The last time Jason with one of his breakout hits
was on here, he was like number forty, right, which
is still big. It's not nothing, but you know the way,
if you live around Nashville, or no country music people
flaunt that it's the biggest thing ever, it's not, you
know what I mean, it's not most of the time.
But I would say in retrospect to historical stuff and
(44:19):
even going on data, actually Billboard hits on this that
country music has been up twenty percent year over year, right,
And that's insane like for a genre to do that, right,
And so I think, and Morgan Wallen's last Night number
one is you know that album Dangerous is up there
(44:43):
and continues to be up there and may breach the
chart as one of the longest charting pieces of music
right for its accolades and sales and everything. So in
terms of like from country music, yes, this is like huge, big,
but I get what you mean because this is just
one genre, right, and country music as an irre irregularity,
(45:10):
like in that Hot one hundred is in irregularity. It
doesn't happen that much. But what's weird and happening right
now in the last year or two is that it's
popping off exceedingly well and it's interesting to see it
come to the forefront so readily.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
I would love.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
I think there's a couple of things that I would
be interested in with this data. When it comes to
country music, number one is the amount of country fans
that are going to streaming now. It is you know,
we've joked on the show all the time about how
radio's dyeing all this kind of stuff, and country music
is kind of one of the last bastions of terrestrial radio.
(45:55):
But that means that there's a lot of untapped market
for them when it comes to streaming wise, right, and
so there's a lot of people jumping that ship and
streaming an incredible amount more country music than other artists.
So it's getting a huge boost in comparison to everything.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Which is what a chart is. It's a comparison to
everything else. Right. The other thing I will say is.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
The prevalence of country music to buy right, because one
thing that's huge about Billboard charts and charts in general
is that a stream does not equal a bye right.
You have to do hundreds of streams to get one
buy right thousands, you know what I mean. So for
(46:38):
country music fans and the amount of sales that I
know are going on there, this shows that they're buying it,
which is a lot more consumer power in that front. Right,
kind of when we were talking about earlier. This is
upfront money ten dollars. One thing that's interesting that I
think is kind of hilarious is, other than being one
of the last bastions of terrestrial radio, you know what,
(46:59):
another service country music is one of the last bastions.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Of And Joe's gonna dieb this it cigarettes? Right, no
vaping under but iTunes Mack de Marca Right, No, but
like iTunes seriously like a lot? Do you And here's
the thing, do you hear like other artists that aren't
(47:26):
country music ever talking about iTunes for God's sakes?
Speaker 2 (47:30):
No, right back when the iTunes chart was popping off, baby.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Right, the country is really big in iTunes. Still in
physically buying stuff which will populate you more on the chart.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Now.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
That's the thing with the chart, though, is the charts
are designed to try to be accurate to consumer interest, right,
But at the same time they're calculated. But you can
also know the things that make charting work differently. Right,
(48:05):
Buying things will exponentially increase your ability on the chart,
which is why Billboard banned merch bundles to be checked
on the chart. Right, you had to have a separate
fee for a CD. It had to be. It can
be a shirt and a CD for thirty bucks, it
had to be a shirt plus a CD. They're fifteen
dollars each, showing the consumer that you have a choice
(48:26):
of buying it, right, That's how people used to scam
the chart all the time. But now I think because
country music is embracing a lot of technology more and
more and they still have that buyer's mentality, I think
they're really hitting the chart and it's because of the
way the chart has biases towards that music. Do I
(48:50):
think that it is underestimating country music? Absolutely not. Country
music is huge. I do think there is kind of
a giant, you know, exponential increase right now, right, I
cannot deny that. But do I think that the fan
base of country music impacts the chart in a more
positive way because of the way they consume music, Yes,
(49:13):
you know, And that's what I think is interesting And
at the end of the day, I think that's one
of the biggest things that I take away from this,
you know, because this is career stuff. Back of courage again,
I was joking about how Nashville will go off the chain,
about being you know, they'll they'll just say we're number
(49:34):
one on the chart and they'll never refer to as
the country music chart. This is stuff that will go
down in history. People will be like country music was
at its top right now, you know what I mean?
If not, if it's not going to get bigger. So
it's interesting to watch that all happen. And I think
one of the things that maybe you can talk on, Joe,
is the power of video here is I think also
(49:57):
really showing you know what I mean. This song wasn't
a big song until that video came out, as you know,
as controversial as that video is, right, but that video
propelled that song, which is like kind of showing the
power of video is that if you have a video
that people want to watch, in this case, a lot
(50:18):
of them want to watch to hate on it, or
one want to watch in defiance to watch it, you
know what I mean. But still, like the power of
video is insane. Would you agree that the power of
video is propelling this so much compared to just the
song itself.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, I mean I think it just kind of threw
it in people's conscious like consciousness to some level. Yes,
I agree with that assessment of like video itself is
more powerful than because I think we're just all innately
online more and looking up all visual things. Right now,
when it comes to the when it comes to the
(51:00):
level of uh my bias, I hate this video, I'm
just gonna say it of the past. I mean, I
don't think it's I think it's a lame video just objectively.
I don't think it's like a very like great music video.
I also just I personally have a lot of problems
(51:22):
with Al Dean, uh just because of a lot of
his political I just yeah, well just historically his political
takes and stances are just garbage. So it's really hard
for me to sit there and like listen to his
half assed pr statement come out and be like, well, guys,
didn't actually say the thing, you know, like I didn't
(51:45):
actually do it. I just like kind of lead you
guys there, you know, but I didn't actually say anything.
But when it comes to like the power of video, yes,
I think that's the case. I think country country fans, yes,
they buy shit, but they only buy shit that that
is rooted in their political way. And I think that
(52:06):
in a lot of cases. I think very soon, I
think in the next ten years, it's going to drop
because I think a lot of country fans are going to,
for lack of a better analogy, age out of a
lot of these artists. I think a lot of these
artists have older fan bases that are may not be around,
(52:29):
uh in the next ten twenty years, And I think
that I think trends are going to shift for sure.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
I think I hope that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
I think there's a lot of people that support this
controversial thing just because you know, it feels.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Like, well, it's their political view, it fuels their political view.
A lot of people are buying it who don't even
like Jason Albean, but they actually believe in the statement
of right, we saw the same thing, yeah exactly, because
oh he's a hot button topic, so let me support
this brave soul who's fighting the good fight. Yeah, you know,
(53:09):
like in their view, but I don't actually think that.
It's like a ton of music fans.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
Well, and my thing is is that Jason is catering
to his audience, right, and you know, think of that
the way he is, but the way it is, but
he is right' that's what he's doing. And I think
that that's why I use the fire metaphors because he's
fewing the fires that the more kind of eyes he
(53:38):
gets on this, good or bad, he's getting a win
win because he's getting people talking about it, you know
what I mean. And Jason's brand is based on these
kind of controversial takes, right, He's based on being a
good old boy, right, And so I think for him,
the reason that it succeeds for him financially is because
(53:59):
it works because it goes into his demo, right, you know,
in the same way, which is why it's for me
very sad to see because as someone who moved to
Nashville and was not a country guy at all, there's
some country I like, and there's some country people that
I've met that are very good and you know, opened,
(54:20):
and you know, very uh, very very uh. Let's say
I would describe as a new wave of country that
I could get behind, right. And I feel like when
stuff like this happens, it's just a you know, all
these people all the time will go country music is changing,
We're changing it from the inside. All these organizations will
be like, we're changing it from the inside, doing all this,
(54:43):
and then this happens, and I just feel like this
is the biggest middle finger to what some of these
people that I know are trying to get away from, right,
And so I think there are legitimately people in country
music that are trying to represent people that Jason Alden
doesn't represent, and I think it's you know, a middle
(55:07):
finger to them. And then I also think there's a.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
Good majority of it that are just enabling this, you
know what I mean, that are enabling this to be
the only way that country music can exist.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, I mean country music and enabling is kind of
goes hand in.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
Hand, right, And I think you have enabling every genre
of different things. I mean, but like, this is country
music's bane, you know what I mean? This is it
right here? This if you wanted, I think, if you
wanted a great example to show the problems with country music,
this is it. Like I think, if you wanted a
(55:49):
like if I was teaching a class about how country
music is trying to evolve and be more inclusive and
stuff like that, this would be one of my examples
of we got a long way to go, right, And so, yeah,
I mean I don't mean to put it so blowingly.
I usually don't do it on the show, but that's
(56:09):
you know, kind of how I feel about it. I mean,
at the end of the day, you can feel however
you want to. And so far, Jason, there's nothing getting
around it is benefiting financially from this a lot.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
Yeah, I'm sure. I think we could even get into
another discussion, probably not now, but another time of just
like how like what is helping the situation and what's
just getting people more money?
Speaker 3 (56:35):
Oh yeah, And that's like a great ethical question to ask.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
Because a lot of these.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
Should we be talking about it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (56:42):
Yeah, if you don't like a lot of these people
in the public eye, I mean, the biggest thing is
just to ignore them, right, you know. But part of
that is also like if you're ignoring it, are you
like also.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
Ignoring like the life itself, horrible.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Thing that comes with you know, Like there's some things
you can't ignore, and that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (57:00):
But oh yeah, I mean that's a hard conversation to have,
and that's a big one. We can table it right now.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
But this is definitely something that I think the music
industry struggles with. It's like, what is putting you know,
what is putting an eye on a situation that is
you know, unacceptable in somebody's eyes, and what is you know,
enabling someone to get in front of someone else, right,
And that's one that you know, not only the music
(57:29):
industry but celebrity itself has always struggled with.
Speaker 3 (57:32):
So I guess it's up to you. I think in
the purposes of our show, I wanted to talk about
it because it's a prime example of it. And we
try to talk about stuff that's you know, music business
oriented and prime examples and sadly will happen again.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
But is it worth you, you know, posting on your
Facebook page being like, I'm really outraged at this music
video and then getting out of it.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
I don't know what people on Facebook would be outraged
by it or on the opposite side.
Speaker 3 (58:01):
I think it depends on what kind of Facebook you're on,
you know. But yeah, it's just, uh, it's definitely.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
I think what's apparent in this situation at the end
of the day is we know what the cause and
effect is, right, we know why people find this controversial,
we know why people are talking about it, and the
effect is Jason al Dean is having a renaissance of
his career, right that that's what's happening at the end
(58:32):
of the day. And you know, as much as this
is a controversial thing, like, it has sides to it, right,
and you can be on whatever side you want. That's
the thing we can't argue with, right, That's the thing
no one can argue with. We know why it's controversial,
and we know what happens. The question now is is
(58:53):
this the regular from now on for country music and
for music itself? Will this continue on for the rest
of our lives and the rest of your children's lives
and stuff. My answer would hopefully be no, but we'll
have to see from there. So I I you know,
I would take this cause this causality with you if I.
Speaker 3 (59:12):
Was listening you know anyway, Joe, what have you been
listening to?
Speaker 4 (59:22):
Man?
Speaker 2 (59:22):
I have been listening to a lot of stuff. Actually,
I got into a friend of mine actually recommended the Wheepees, which.
Speaker 3 (59:32):
We're gonna say Weezer, and I was gonna last from
Recanize this bank called Weezer.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
Not Weezer this week, but yeah, it's it's a band
called the Wheepees. I guess they're kind of like big
in like the early two thousands vibe. They like kind
of Y two K vibe. Into the nineties.
Speaker 3 (59:52):
You're not taking away that you're not actually talking about
Weezer c going.
Speaker 2 (59:59):
But Ben, let's listening to them a little bit, especially
the song not Your Year. I think it's an amazing,
amazing track. Also, listen to spill tab with track anybody Else.
It's a really, really good, good song. And then I've
been listening to a lot of Methyl Ethyl again. My
(01:00:22):
favorite song by them, Real Tight, which is really it's
a really it's a tight song, So check it out. Cal.
What have you been listening to?
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Oh, let's see, I've been listening to speaking of country music,
Jason Aldean.
Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Now I'm checking, But like I did listen to the
song for that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
And then we had I was listening to because we
love karaoke in this town. I have to prepare my
country karaoke because you know, I got to have a couple, right.
And so my one of my favorites is Sold by
John Michael Montgomery, which.
Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Is, Hey, little Lady, want you to give me a soign?
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
You know, most fucking nash people have heard that, but
I think it's like it's a really funny song. It's
a very southern song, like it just cannot exist anywhere
else because it's literally called like the first lines are
about the Grundy County Auction. Literally the name of the song,
which I think is so wild, is sould Parenthesy, the
Grundy County Auction incident and Parenthesy. But it's just a
(01:01:23):
little wild like nineties country song that I just think
is like so goofy. I actually was talking about this
the other today actually with some coworkers. I said, I
think the reason that like country music is so sometimes
fun for me is the same reason that like metal
music is fun for me sometimes because it feels like
putting on a character, you know what I mean. I'm
(01:01:44):
not a cowboy, but it is really fun to go.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Hey, no, only anyone should give me a sun you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Know what I mean. It's just like it feels like
I'm in theater, you know what I mean, in the
same way that like if I'm doing a megadeath and
it's like just like the bibe bibeer, You're like, what
are you talking about it? It's like, no, it's my character.
It's my character, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I'm getting into the role. That's kind of the songs
I've been on lately. It's just that kind of stuff
because it's just.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Like, I know, there are some human beings.
Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Out there that feel like this is me and that's great,
But for me, it feels like a hyperbole character half
the time to be like, you know, over here trying
to get a girl on an auction.
Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
You know what I mean. But anyway, it is what
it is. It's it's just really fun kind of music
to play. That's just like very like I would say,
circul where. I really like the guitar part in that
song too. It's just like very spaghetti western style too.
So I'll leave you with that. Some country music I
can actually give my stamp of approval on.
Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Hell yeah, well we're at the end of our rope.
Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
I want you for some I for some fucking reason,
I'm such a fidgetter. I literally am sitting here with
a pen, and for some reason, I write, as I said,
a music that I can give like my you know,
mark on I can approve of. I wrote an a
on my thigh with a pin and now I just
(01:03:13):
have to live with that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I already took a shower today. I can't get this off. Wait, Colin,
I think you gotta get the tattooed.
Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
I wrote a plus, it's not even right side up,
it's even it's like I like my my my brain
was like.
Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
We'll just put a right here, and then I just god,
damn it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I again, all right, all right, we gotta we got
in the podcast we're calling, writes the alphabet.
Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
I threw the pen away.
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
That's the that's just like put the cap on.
Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Guys, thanks for listening to the biz Tape pretty much everywhere,
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Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
You so much for listening. We'll catch you next time.
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