July 23, 2025 • 10 mins
The bottom line is that if someone was able to get to Epstein in a maximum-security facility – and get away undetected – there surely would have been a way to get to Maxwell as well.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I have a question or topic you want to have addressed,
just ask. This is the Brian Mud Show.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
As we take a look at today's Q and A.
Which federal prisons have the highest death rates? What about
the prison that Jeffrey Epstein was in? How does that
compare with Gilene Maxwell? What about some of these conspiratorial angles?
So let's sive in, brought to you by Melissa and
Ashes check mark collections each day and I feature a
(00:33):
listener of questions sent by one of these methods. You
may email me Brian Mud at iHeartMedia dot com, hit
me up onon social at Brian Mud Radio. May also
use the iHeartRadio talk back feature we will love it
if you loved us, if you went into the app,
or if it's installing your card, you made us your
number one preset. And then The Brian Mudshow a podcast
(00:56):
number two pre sent while you're in there, see a
little microphone button, you see it happen. You may lay
down that message right there, maybe for a future Q
and A. Today's net is this Why did Gilaine not
commit suicide or get murdered? Are New York prisons less
or more conducive to murder or suicide for a high
(01:18):
profile person than Tallahassee prison. Okay, it's a couple of things.
I'm going to break all this down for you. It's
an interesting angle, for sure. We do have a development
on the Gillien Maxwell front.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
The Justice Department has contacted Gilaine Maxwell, the long time
convicted associate of Jeffrey Epstein thought to possibly still possess
secrets and names related to Epstein's crimes. US Attorney General
Todd Blanche writes, for the first time, the Department of
Justice is reaching out.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
To Maxwell to ask what do you know?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
And Attorney General Palmbody's direction, I've contacted her counsel. I
intend to meet with her soon. No one is above
the law and no lead is off limits.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Okay, So today's note is in response to my recent
commentary pretending to the push by some for Epstein code
conspirator Gillane Maxwell to testify before Congress. What you're hearing about,
you know, Gilaine wanting to talk. She's ready to talk.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Now.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's important to remember as that development's coming about, she
does have something to gain. She is currently appealing her
case to the United States Supreme Court. She is hoping
to either get her conviction overturned or some kind of
better terms to get her out before twenty years. But nevertheless,
specifically I said this, I said, the best evidence there's
ever been that Jeffrey Epstein potentially wasn't murdered as part
(02:39):
of the criminal cover up conspiracy is that his literal
partner in crime, Gillane Maxwell, is still with the living.
In fact, there's no doubt that she knew more about
the victims than Jeffrey did day to day. Remember, she
was the recruiter of these girls, she was the one
that was responsible for the groaning.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
It was all that were horrible stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So that's worth considering if you're on the conspiracy track,
but hadn't considered it. And I also suggested the next point,
as far as the potential for Maxwell testimony goes, let's
say it happened, would it even matter? Because I think
this is a classic case where you would have confirmation bias.
I think if you wanted to hear a certain thing
(03:18):
from Maxwell and she said it, you go, there it is,
And if you don't want to believe what it is
she would say, you would go she's not credible. You know,
she deceived how many people for how long did all
these horrible things? So, anyway, I think that's important dynamic
(03:39):
in all this anyway. But with that said, for those
who do believe that Epstein was murdered, could it be
the case that perhaps Maxwell is simply in a more
secure facility, one that has thwarted, say, assassination attempts.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Let's break this down. Let's start with suicides.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
The overall rate of suicides some like the general population,
it's about seven teen per one hundred thousand people. For
the federal prison population it is about nineteen per one
hundred thousand. So, in other words, the average suicide rate
in federal prisons right a ten percent higher than the
general population. So what this shows is that just being
in a federal prison does not make it less likely
(04:18):
for one to commit suicide. In fact, these inmates are
actually more likely to commit suicide than just your average
person in society. So that should be taken into consideration.
But then we can specifically dive into the one facility
that Epstein was in, the Metropolitan Correctional Center. Now, I
(04:38):
will say that the suicides are extremely rare in that one.
In fact, Epstein's suicide was the first that have been
recorded at that facility in twenty one years when it happened,
and to put an overall rate to it for comparative purposes,
the historically you have to go back because to try
to get to one hundred thousand prisoner population, even to
(04:58):
index to that, it's a very hard thing to do
at one facility. But the historical suicide rate of that
prison comes down to about seven, just under seven per
one hundred thousand, or a number that is well lower
multiples lower than the average federal prison. So it does
suggest that prison in particular is one that leads to
far less success in committing suicide. So that's one they
(05:24):
could chock up to maybe potentially aid the conspiracy argument.
As for homicides, a couple things about this. Homicide rates
for federal prisons during the recent period covering twenty nineteen
total six per one hundred thousand. Okay, so six inmates
are murdered for one hundred thousand the federal prison population
(05:44):
per year. The homicide rate at the same time that
Epstein died was about four and a half was about
four and a half, So, in other words, a lot
more likely to be murdered in prison than just you know,
living your life in society. But here's the crazy thing.
Not anymore. This is a complete just divergence from the story.
(06:06):
But it like jumped out at me in a very
big way. So I figured out to bring it to
you and did some additional work on it yesterday in
real time. The well, I should say, as of last year,
with the most recent numbers we have from this year,
the homicide rate in society up to six point eight.
In other words, it's safer to be in a federal
(06:27):
prison than it is just to be living your life
in normal society. And why Well, something that I had
tracked and reported to you over the past four years
the dramatic increase in homicides by non citizens. You know,
non citizen homicide rates rose by nine hundred and sixty
seven percent during the four years of the Biden administration,
almost one thousand percent, about a tenfold increase. And what
(06:49):
that did was that it led to a forty two
percent increase in the likelihood that you would be murdered.
It's a pretty horrible thing to think about, right, And
so now it's actually safer to be in a federal
prison than just you know, doing your thing. Now, when
we take a look at how all the prison situations
(07:11):
compared to one another.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Couple important points here.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
They are other than being in federal prisons, not a
whole lot in common with Epstein and Maxwell. Epstein was
in a maximum security facility. Maxwell, she's at the Federal
Correction Institution of Tallahassee. That is a low security women facility.
(07:39):
So here's the difference between the two. The maximum security
that Epstein was in. High perimeter security with double fences,
razor wire, armed guard towers, extensive use of surveillance, including
cameras and motion detectors, controlled movement with frequent inmate counts
and strict schedules, heavy use of solitary confinement or special
housing units high risk inmates, higher staff to inmate ratios,
(08:03):
with specialized training for managing dangerous inmates. And how about
Maxwell's low security facility. Minimal perimeter security, often with a
single fence or no fence, limited use of surveillance, more
relaxed movement within the facility, dormitory style or shared housing
rather than individual cells. Emphasis on rehabilitation programs like education,
(08:28):
vocational training, or work assignments. Lower staff to inmate ratios
with less intense monitoring. So like the bottom line you
put all this together, if someone was able to get
to Epstein. Let's you walk down the conspiracy path here.
If somebody was able to go in and whack epstcene
(08:49):
and get away completely undetected. Oh my gosh, there absolutely
would be a way for that person, those people to
be able to get at Maxwell as well.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I mean, it'd be so much easier for them.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
And what's more, and this is a dynamic that you know,
I've talked about a little bit recently, but extensively my
wife Ashley, we were talking about not just Maxwell, but
Alan Dershowitz too, Professor Dershwitz, the attorney for Epstein. He
knows too much, right, So if you're gonna go take
out Epstein because he knows everything can spill the beans, well,
so does Maxwell and so does Alan Dershwitz. And both
(09:23):
of them are still alive. And Maxwell is in this
low security prison and Dershwitz just live in his life.
So again, none of it automatically disqualifies the idea of
a conspiracy. But man, I mean, all of the evidence
points in one very specific direction, and that is one
that strongly suggests that there isn't one.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Medium Minute with Howard Kertz.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Stephen Colbert came out swinging on Monday Night against CBS,
ripping the company for ending not just his tenure but
the CBS Laid Show.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
But he mostly in humor. He said, Okay, they say I'm.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Losing forty million dollars a year twenty four million. Yeah,
but what would Paramount do with the other sixteen million?
Oh wait, that of course the size of the settlement
of the company of the Donald Trump lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
He was backed up either.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Sitting in the studio or making cameo appearances digitally by
John Stewart, by John ower By, Anderson Cooper, Andy Coheny,
goes on and on and on, and really they're all
behind him because they all hate CBS for doing this.
He shouldn't have dropped the F bomb. That was attitude
with your medium in it.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
How he hurts Fox News
I have a question or topic you want to have addressed,
just ask. This is the Brian Mud Show.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
As we take a look at today's Q and A.
Which federal prisons have the highest death rates? What about
the prison that Jeffrey Epstein was in? How does that
compare with Gilene Maxwell? What about some of these conspiratorial angles?
So let's sive in, brought to you by Melissa and
Ashes check mark collections each day and I feature a
(00:33):
listener of questions sent by one of these methods. You
may email me Brian Mud at iHeartMedia dot com, hit
me up onon social at Brian Mud Radio. May also
use the iHeartRadio talk back feature we will love it
if you loved us, if you went into the app,
or if it's installing your card, you made us your
number one preset. And then The Brian Mudshow a podcast
(00:56):
number two pre sent while you're in there, see a
little microphone button, you see it happen. You may lay
down that message right there, maybe for a future Q
and A. Today's net is this Why did Gilaine not
commit suicide or get murdered? Are New York prisons less
or more conducive to murder or suicide for a high
(01:18):
profile person than Tallahassee prison. Okay, it's a couple of things.
I'm going to break all this down for you. It's
an interesting angle, for sure. We do have a development
on the Gillien Maxwell front.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
The Justice Department has contacted Gilaine Maxwell, the long time
convicted associate of Jeffrey Epstein thought to possibly still possess
secrets and names related to Epstein's crimes. US Attorney General
Todd Blanche writes, for the first time, the Department of
Justice is reaching out.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
To Maxwell to ask what do you know?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
And Attorney General Palmbody's direction, I've contacted her counsel. I
intend to meet with her soon. No one is above
the law and no lead is off limits.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Okay, So today's note is in response to my recent
commentary pretending to the push by some for Epstein code
conspirator Gillane Maxwell to testify before Congress. What you're hearing about,
you know, Gilaine wanting to talk. She's ready to talk.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Now.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's important to remember as that development's coming about, she
does have something to gain. She is currently appealing her
case to the United States Supreme Court. She is hoping
to either get her conviction overturned or some kind of
better terms to get her out before twenty years. But nevertheless,
specifically I said this, I said, the best evidence there's
ever been that Jeffrey Epstein potentially wasn't murdered as part
(02:39):
of the criminal cover up conspiracy is that his literal
partner in crime, Gillane Maxwell, is still with the living.
In fact, there's no doubt that she knew more about
the victims than Jeffrey did day to day. Remember, she
was the recruiter of these girls, she was the one
that was responsible for the groaning.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
It was all that were horrible stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So that's worth considering if you're on the conspiracy track,
but hadn't considered it. And I also suggested the next point,
as far as the potential for Maxwell testimony goes, let's
say it happened, would it even matter? Because I think
this is a classic case where you would have confirmation bias.
I think if you wanted to hear a certain thing
(03:18):
from Maxwell and she said it, you go, there it is,
And if you don't want to believe what it is
she would say, you would go she's not credible. You know,
she deceived how many people for how long did all
these horrible things? So, anyway, I think that's important dynamic
(03:39):
in all this anyway. But with that said, for those
who do believe that Epstein was murdered, could it be
the case that perhaps Maxwell is simply in a more
secure facility, one that has thwarted, say, assassination attempts.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Let's break this down. Let's start with suicides.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
The overall rate of suicides some like the general population,
it's about seven teen per one hundred thousand people. For
the federal prison population it is about nineteen per one
hundred thousand. So, in other words, the average suicide rate
in federal prisons right a ten percent higher than the
general population. So what this shows is that just being
in a federal prison does not make it less likely
(04:18):
for one to commit suicide. In fact, these inmates are
actually more likely to commit suicide than just your average
person in society. So that should be taken into consideration.
But then we can specifically dive into the one facility
that Epstein was in, the Metropolitan Correctional Center. Now, I
(04:38):
will say that the suicides are extremely rare in that one.
In fact, Epstein's suicide was the first that have been
recorded at that facility in twenty one years when it happened,
and to put an overall rate to it for comparative purposes,
the historically you have to go back because to try
to get to one hundred thousand prisoner population, even to
(04:58):
index to that, it's a very hard thing to do
at one facility. But the historical suicide rate of that
prison comes down to about seven, just under seven per
one hundred thousand, or a number that is well lower
multiples lower than the average federal prison. So it does
suggest that prison in particular is one that leads to
far less success in committing suicide. So that's one they
(05:24):
could chock up to maybe potentially aid the conspiracy argument.
As for homicides, a couple things about this. Homicide rates
for federal prisons during the recent period covering twenty nineteen
total six per one hundred thousand. Okay, so six inmates
are murdered for one hundred thousand the federal prison population
(05:44):
per year. The homicide rate at the same time that
Epstein died was about four and a half was about
four and a half, So, in other words, a lot
more likely to be murdered in prison than just you know,
living your life in society. But here's the crazy thing.
Not anymore. This is a complete just divergence from the story.
(06:06):
But it like jumped out at me in a very
big way. So I figured out to bring it to
you and did some additional work on it yesterday in
real time. The well, I should say, as of last year,
with the most recent numbers we have from this year,
the homicide rate in society up to six point eight.
In other words, it's safer to be in a federal
(06:27):
prison than it is just to be living your life
in normal society. And why Well, something that I had
tracked and reported to you over the past four years
the dramatic increase in homicides by non citizens. You know,
non citizen homicide rates rose by nine hundred and sixty
seven percent during the four years of the Biden administration,
almost one thousand percent, about a tenfold increase. And what
(06:49):
that did was that it led to a forty two
percent increase in the likelihood that you would be murdered.
It's a pretty horrible thing to think about, right, And
so now it's actually safer to be in a federal
prison than just you know, doing your thing. Now, when
we take a look at how all the prison situations
(07:11):
compared to one another.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Couple important points here.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
They are other than being in federal prisons, not a
whole lot in common with Epstein and Maxwell. Epstein was
in a maximum security facility. Maxwell, she's at the Federal
Correction Institution of Tallahassee. That is a low security women facility.
(07:39):
So here's the difference between the two. The maximum security
that Epstein was in. High perimeter security with double fences,
razor wire, armed guard towers, extensive use of surveillance, including
cameras and motion detectors, controlled movement with frequent inmate counts
and strict schedules, heavy use of solitary confinement or special
housing units high risk inmates, higher staff to inmate ratios,
(08:03):
with specialized training for managing dangerous inmates. And how about
Maxwell's low security facility. Minimal perimeter security, often with a
single fence or no fence, limited use of surveillance, more
relaxed movement within the facility, dormitory style or shared housing
rather than individual cells. Emphasis on rehabilitation programs like education,
(08:28):
vocational training, or work assignments. Lower staff to inmate ratios
with less intense monitoring. So like the bottom line you
put all this together, if someone was able to get
to Epstein. Let's you walk down the conspiracy path here.
If somebody was able to go in and whack epstcene
(08:49):
and get away completely undetected. Oh my gosh, there absolutely
would be a way for that person, those people to
be able to get at Maxwell as well.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I mean, it'd be so much easier for them.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
And what's more, and this is a dynamic that you know,
I've talked about a little bit recently, but extensively my
wife Ashley, we were talking about not just Maxwell, but
Alan Dershowitz too, Professor Dershwitz, the attorney for Epstein. He
knows too much, right, So if you're gonna go take
out Epstein because he knows everything can spill the beans, well,
so does Maxwell and so does Alan Dershwitz. And both
(09:23):
of them are still alive. And Maxwell is in this
low security prison and Dershwitz just live in his life.
So again, none of it automatically disqualifies the idea of
a conspiracy. But man, I mean, all of the evidence
points in one very specific direction, and that is one
that strongly suggests that there isn't one.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Medium Minute with Howard Kertz.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Stephen Colbert came out swinging on Monday Night against CBS,
ripping the company for ending not just his tenure but
the CBS Laid Show.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
But he mostly in humor. He said, Okay, they say I'm.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Losing forty million dollars a year twenty four million. Yeah,
but what would Paramount do with the other sixteen million?
Oh wait, that of course the size of the settlement
of the company of the Donald Trump lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
He was backed up either.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Sitting in the studio or making cameo appearances digitally by
John Stewart, by John ower By, Anderson Cooper, Andy Coheny,
goes on and on and on, and really they're all
behind him because they all hate CBS for doing this.
He shouldn't have dropped the F bomb. That was attitude
with your medium in it.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
How he hurts Fox News
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