October 29, 2025 • 8 mins
So basically, it’s like this. Top ICE officials, including Border Czar Tom Homan, want to remain focused on attempting to target and root out ‘criminal illegal aliens’, or those with existing criminal records, while the Border Patrol brass believes we should be casting a wide net, targeting illegal aliens wherever they happen to be. Secretary Noem believes in the Border Patrol strategy and therefore has ordered a reorganization with Border Patrol leaders taking over for many existing ICE leaders in the field.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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future Q and I. Today's note is this at Brian
Mud Radio. What do you make of this? How many
deported illegals have had criminal records? And so the listener
(01:00):
sent me a link to a Fox News story entitled
ICE leadership shakeup exposes growing DHS friction over deportation tactics, priorities,
and the crux of the story is summed up by
Fox's Bill Malugin here.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I'm told by four senior DHS officials that they're moving
up to twelve ICE chiefs from around the country and
reassigning them. I'm told this is a move spearheaded by
Corey Lewandowski, and it's on an effort to boost deportation numbers,
which are already at more than half a million since
President Trump took officer.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Okay, so about this, about this, you got a major
leadership shakeup that's evidently underway at ICE, affecting field offices
in at least eight cities Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Denver, Portland, Philadelphia,
Al Paso, New Orleans. And you have what you heard.
There many senior ICE field office leaders that are being
(01:53):
replaced with border patrol officials intended to shift the detention
and deportation strat seemingly being brought about by Homeland Security
Secretary Christy Nome. And you mentioned that you heard Cory
leu Downski. There'll give you the opposing camp here in
a minute. The one camp is actually borders are Tom
Homan and ICE Director todd Lyons that are still wanting
(02:16):
to prioritize targeting criminal illegal aliens and those with final
deportation orders and then the opposing camp again. DHS Secretary
Christy Nome, Senior Advisor Corey Lundowski, and Border Patrol Commander
Greg Baveno. They're pushing for broader, more aggressive operations to
maximize deportations, including raids at common day labor pickup sites
(02:38):
like home depot stores and car washes. Senior DHS officials
describe the atmosphere as tense and combative, according to Fox,
with these changes taking place, Border Patrol is defending the strategy,
arguing mass deportations should include anyone in the US illegally.
(03:02):
By the way, I'm with them. DHS calls the reassignments
performance based and denies announcing personnel changes while emphasizing focus
on removing violent criminals. Basically, it looks like, you know,
those that are are out are being reassigned rather than terminated.
So basically it's like this. Top ice officials, including Tom Homan,
(03:27):
have been focused and want to continue the effort to
root out criminal illegal immigrants or those with existing criminal records,
and to put some numbers to all these various different things.
When you take a look at what's happened today, the
numbers look pretty impressive. Department of Homeline Security are reported
(03:48):
to total of two point one two seven million deportations,
So two million, one hundred and twenty seven thousand deportations
since the onset of the Trump administration. That's a pretty
strong number. Those about seventy five percent, though, have been
of the self directed variety. So obviously the fear of
potential deportation has been and remains the most defective in
(04:10):
terms of combating illegal immigration within the country now. An
answer to one of today's questions, of the five hundred
and twenty seven thousand DHS directed deportations, approximately seventy percent
three hundred and sixty nine thousand have been deportations of
criminal illegal immigrants. Okay, so of those that have been deported,
(04:33):
only about thirty percent so far have not had any
criminal history. And most commonly that group of people were
people who were illegally illegally here and also in either
direct contact with or proximity of the targeted criminal illegal aliens.
And that's an important point for conversationally where I'm taking
(04:53):
this thing in just some moment. The other point that
is notable here taking a look at the shift in strategy,
not the known universe of criminal illegal aliens, as in
those that have rap sheets and that ICE has information
about like they might be able to identify who these
people are and where they are. That universe had been
(05:15):
about six hundred and fifty thousand entering this administration. What
this means is that over half fifty seven percent have
already been deported. So you know, at some point you're
going to move off of that, right and now they're
seeing the time and why the timing, Well, let me
give you an idea. In the last month, there were
(05:39):
only one hundred and twenty seven thousand total deportations ICE
and self directed. Remember we're at greater than two point
one million just since January twentieth, but only one hundred
and twenty seven thousand total last month, meaning the pace well,
well well lower than what it had been previously, and
(06:01):
it happened to be. In my mid August story Border Bombshell,
self deportations reach record levels. But I first began to
wonder how much further DHS would be able to get
with the existing strategy. Specifically, I wondered if those who
are inclined to self deport were kind of early adapters
to do it. With what might be sharp declines and
self deportations in the future. And that's exactly what we
(06:25):
are now seeing. That's exactly what we saw in September. Now,
with the estimates upwards of twenty million illegal immigrants within
the country entering this year, it is clear that if
President Trump's promise of mass deportations is to take place,
that it's going to come from more than just those
choosing early on to self deport. And while we won't
(06:46):
know until we get there, it is likely the certain
segments of illegal aliens in society have watched the targeted
approach of who's been detained and deported, realizing, hey, you
know what, if I just stay clear of those people
that I know are bad mbres, that are the the
people with rap sheets, I'm going to be okay. So
this change in philosophy to begin widely targeting people in
(07:08):
the country illegally, that would probably create another catalyst that
could lead to many more self deportations. At whatever point
illegal aliens realized hey, I could be picked up two
that probably would result in change. We've heard this from
some that have chosen to self deport and became public
with it. They're saying that look, no one wants to
(07:29):
deport on the government's terms. Going to a detention facility
for an undetermined period of time before eventually being deported
to a location they may not want to be is
not plan a. Another dynamic that is evident is length
of time and country, though mostly anecdotal, those most likely
to self deport thus far appear to be those who
enter the country more recently. And to give you an
(07:50):
idea of preceding the Biden administration, sixty two percent of
illegal immigrants in this country had lived here for over
a decade. So it also creates a different dynamic for
the established illegal immigrant and as opposed to those who
were attempting to gain the asylum system under the Blind administration,
that might be like, what, I guess, that's not going
to work out the way I hoped. So it's going
to be interesting to see how this dynamic plays out
(08:11):
from here. But there's a lot going on beyond the scenes.
Right now, you said a word wrong, I did. It's
supposed to be a sydum. Yes, that one
Your questions, Brian's answers. It's time for today's Q and
A of the day. This is the Brian Mud Show.
Today's Q name is Ice divided in deportation strategies with
the fact Show. This is brought to you by m
listen ashes, check mark collections. Each day I feature a
(00:25):
listener question that is sensed by one of these methods.
You may email me Brian Mudd at iHeartMedia dot com,
hit me up on social at Brian Mud Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
But also love it. If you would love us, just
go into the irradio app make us. You have one preset.
While you're in there, make the Brian Mud Show podcast
your number two preset. And you'll also see a little
button in there. You see it that microphone tap it.
You can leave the message right there, maybe for a
future Q and I. Today's note is this at Brian
Mud Radio. What do you make of this? How many
deported illegals have had criminal records? And so the listener
(01:00):
sent me a link to a Fox News story entitled
ICE leadership shakeup exposes growing DHS friction over deportation tactics, priorities,
and the crux of the story is summed up by
Fox's Bill Malugin here.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I'm told by four senior DHS officials that they're moving
up to twelve ICE chiefs from around the country and
reassigning them. I'm told this is a move spearheaded by
Corey Lewandowski, and it's on an effort to boost deportation numbers,
which are already at more than half a million since
President Trump took officer.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Okay, so about this, about this, you got a major
leadership shakeup that's evidently underway at ICE, affecting field offices
in at least eight cities Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Denver, Portland, Philadelphia,
Al Paso, New Orleans. And you have what you heard.
There many senior ICE field office leaders that are being
(01:53):
replaced with border patrol officials intended to shift the detention
and deportation strat seemingly being brought about by Homeland Security
Secretary Christy Nome. And you mentioned that you heard Cory
leu Downski. There'll give you the opposing camp here in
a minute. The one camp is actually borders are Tom
Homan and ICE Director todd Lyons that are still wanting
(02:16):
to prioritize targeting criminal illegal aliens and those with final
deportation orders and then the opposing camp again. DHS Secretary
Christy Nome, Senior Advisor Corey Lundowski, and Border Patrol Commander
Greg Baveno. They're pushing for broader, more aggressive operations to
maximize deportations, including raids at common day labor pickup sites
(02:38):
like home depot stores and car washes. Senior DHS officials
describe the atmosphere as tense and combative, according to Fox,
with these changes taking place, Border Patrol is defending the strategy,
arguing mass deportations should include anyone in the US illegally.
(03:02):
By the way, I'm with them. DHS calls the reassignments
performance based and denies announcing personnel changes while emphasizing focus
on removing violent criminals. Basically, it looks like, you know,
those that are are out are being reassigned rather than terminated.
So basically it's like this. Top ice officials, including Tom Homan,
(03:27):
have been focused and want to continue the effort to
root out criminal illegal immigrants or those with existing criminal records,
and to put some numbers to all these various different things.
When you take a look at what's happened today, the
numbers look pretty impressive. Department of Homeline Security are reported
(03:48):
to total of two point one two seven million deportations,
So two million, one hundred and twenty seven thousand deportations
since the onset of the Trump administration. That's a pretty
strong number. Those about seventy five percent, though, have been
of the self directed variety. So obviously the fear of
potential deportation has been and remains the most defective in
(04:10):
terms of combating illegal immigration within the country now. An
answer to one of today's questions, of the five hundred
and twenty seven thousand DHS directed deportations, approximately seventy percent
three hundred and sixty nine thousand have been deportations of
criminal illegal immigrants. Okay, so of those that have been deported,
(04:33):
only about thirty percent so far have not had any
criminal history. And most commonly that group of people were
people who were illegally illegally here and also in either
direct contact with or proximity of the targeted criminal illegal aliens.
And that's an important point for conversationally where I'm taking
(04:53):
this thing in just some moment. The other point that
is notable here taking a look at the shift in strategy,
not the known universe of criminal illegal aliens, as in
those that have rap sheets and that ICE has information
about like they might be able to identify who these
people are and where they are. That universe had been
(05:15):
about six hundred and fifty thousand entering this administration. What
this means is that over half fifty seven percent have
already been deported. So you know, at some point you're
going to move off of that, right and now they're
seeing the time and why the timing, Well, let me
give you an idea. In the last month, there were
(05:39):
only one hundred and twenty seven thousand total deportations ICE
and self directed. Remember we're at greater than two point
one million just since January twentieth, but only one hundred
and twenty seven thousand total last month, meaning the pace well,
well well lower than what it had been previously, and
(06:01):
it happened to be. In my mid August story Border Bombshell,
self deportations reach record levels. But I first began to
wonder how much further DHS would be able to get
with the existing strategy. Specifically, I wondered if those who
are inclined to self deport were kind of early adapters
to do it. With what might be sharp declines and
self deportations in the future. And that's exactly what we
(06:25):
are now seeing. That's exactly what we saw in September. Now,
with the estimates upwards of twenty million illegal immigrants within
the country entering this year, it is clear that if
President Trump's promise of mass deportations is to take place,
that it's going to come from more than just those
choosing early on to self deport. And while we won't
(06:46):
know until we get there, it is likely the certain
segments of illegal aliens in society have watched the targeted
approach of who's been detained and deported, realizing, hey, you
know what, if I just stay clear of those people
that I know are bad mbres, that are the the
people with rap sheets, I'm going to be okay. So
this change in philosophy to begin widely targeting people in
(07:08):
the country illegally, that would probably create another catalyst that
could lead to many more self deportations. At whatever point
illegal aliens realized hey, I could be picked up two
that probably would result in change. We've heard this from
some that have chosen to self deport and became public
with it. They're saying that look, no one wants to
(07:29):
deport on the government's terms. Going to a detention facility
for an undetermined period of time before eventually being deported
to a location they may not want to be is
not plan a. Another dynamic that is evident is length
of time and country, though mostly anecdotal, those most likely
to self deport thus far appear to be those who
enter the country more recently. And to give you an
(07:50):
idea of preceding the Biden administration, sixty two percent of
illegal immigrants in this country had lived here for over
a decade. So it also creates a different dynamic for
the established illegal immigrant and as opposed to those who
were attempting to gain the asylum system under the Blind administration,
that might be like, what, I guess, that's not going
to work out the way I hoped. So it's going
to be interesting to see how this dynamic plays out
(08:11):
from here. But there's a lot going on beyond the scenes.
Right now, you said a word wrong, I did. It's
supposed to be a sydum. Yes, that one
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