July 24, 2025 • 8 mins
In researching what happens to illegal immigrants when they return whence, they came – geography plays a massive role in outcomes.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hey, Brian, how you doing? This? Is Scott from Delray Beach,
longtime listener. I think one thing that's not talked about
when we refer to mass deportation is that these people
will be returning to their countries with improved skill sets
which will actually improve the living conditions in those countries.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, and this is one that I love, by the way,
because of all the angles in all of the different
aspects of research I've done on illegal immigration over time,
I've never studied this one. Never brought a story about. Okay,
so what happens with these deportees when they go back?
Whence they came? And the answer in spending a couple
(01:33):
of days researching this is interesting. You know, I came
up with ultimately three buckets of outcomes because what we
see is that there are countries where almost always the
deportees are worse off for having come here, which, by
the way, not a bad thing, because you know, we
don't want you know, people who have been illegally in
(01:54):
this country that took advantage of this country, breaking our laws,
that go back and say, yeah, totally worth it, right,
I mean, that's not the ideal thing. We don't want
to encourage more of it. So it's not necessarily a
bad thing that you have people that go back and like, yeah,
not worth it. Should not be doing that. So anyway,
when we dive in and we take a look at this,
(02:15):
you have countries where the deportees are typically worse off,
countries where they you know, it can be a mixed bag,
and then countries were almost always the people are better
off for having done it. And so as we take
a look at this countries where deportees are often worse off,
(02:38):
they have commonalities here. They tend to be countries that
are rife with poverty, with corruption at the government level,
often a lack of infrastructure. And so when you have
these deportees that arrive back in these countries, they might
not have the opportunity to be able to deploy skills
(02:59):
even they learned them, you know, some obviously not all
illegal immigrants are going to take on new skills here anyway,
And of course you have people that have been here
for different lengths of time and everything else. But the
countries were almost always it's worse for those who came
here in the first place. El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala.
(03:20):
And a lot of that has to do with high
levels of gang violence and also extortion. For example, you
have gangs that will specifically target deporties when they get
back because they perceived them as having had something on
them of value. And on that note, even like the
one value might be familiar with the one thousand dollars
(03:40):
stipen the one thousand dollars check basically that deportees have
been receiving if they go through official channels and do
do it through the Apartment of Homeland Security and the
CPP one home app where we you know, just take
normal flight and fly them back. Well, at that point
it is you know, that's that thousand bucks, like Gonzo,
(04:01):
with a lot of these gangs in those countries. Haiti
is another one. You're probably familiar with the conditions here,
you know, extreme poverty, all kinds of political instability. There
is another situation with targeting there, but you also just
don't have the economic infrastructure in place to be able
to deploy any kind of skills you might have come by.
(04:21):
Here's one that might surprise people Mexico, most Mexican now,
I mean for some that have been funneling money back
to Mexico for some time, am I work out better?
But for the deportes themselves, often there is a stigma attached,
and so a lot of these communities they look down
on those who were nabbed and were sent back as
(04:45):
their failures, that type of thing. And yes, they can
also be targeted by the cartels once they get back
as well. Nicaraguay and Venezuela. Those are the next two
where most often the deportees are worse off and you
have a lack of economic opportunity. Of course, you've got
horrible political repression in those countries. And again the the
(05:10):
targeting that can take place with criminal elements mixed back
countries where you really get mixed results. Uh. This h
turns out to be the Dominican Republic, Jamaica and the
Philippines in particular, and there are some similarities but some
differences too. So for example, in the Dominican there is
an active reintegration system and a lot of those that
(05:34):
have come by skills are able to start their own businesses,
so there's enough economic opportunity to deploy some of those skills. However,
you do have a lot of the criminal element as well,
and that can come into play in targeting there. Jamaica,
this is one where often the skills can be deployed,
especially in in you know that that island where you
(05:56):
have so much tourism. The ability to understand and the
culture here, and also if they learn how to speak
English fluently, all those things tend to work out to
their advantage. And then with the Philippines. Those that are
US educated or came by skills, they are readily deployable
(06:18):
in the Philippines. However, there are still lots of issues
in the Philippines with corruption and gangs, so you know
the targeting thing that can come into play. And then
you get into countries where the deporties are almost always
better off. And the countries at the top are not
the ones you typically think of with the illegal immigrants,
but Canadians, Brits and Aussies commonly visa overstates in these
(06:45):
countries right and almost always those who are here illegally
from Canada, England and Australia. It worked out for them
in the end, and I don't even think it requires
an explanation as to why. Then you have India, China
and South Korea. Again, almost always things work out. The skills,
the money that was obtained, all those things are transferable
(07:07):
commonly in these countries. A lot of those are visa
over stays two, especially the China situation. And then a
couple of developing in kind of like third World countries
they might not think of Nigeria and Ghana, and the
ability to speak English and these countries has become really important.
They have growing economies and urban centers. Again, those skills
(07:28):
are deployable here, and so those are a couple. Now. Obviously,
with well over one hundred countries that we have to
boarded people to and the people have come from, there
are many more stories than just these, but these are
countries where there's enough data over a long period of
time to be able to bring you those general themes.
And so there you go. I thought that was kind
(07:48):
of interesting the breadbare minute.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
President Trump marks six months in office, touting many successes
he said during this time, calling it one of the
most consequential periods of any president. Fox and Your senior
political analyst Jan Williams, Well.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I think you have to give President Trump credit on
two fronts, and one is the border. I think, especially
in political terms, considering the tremendous amount of criticism he
had for President Biden's handling of the border, suggesting there
was an invasion and all that. Well, now there's zero
(08:24):
at order crossings, and I think most Americans, in fact,
in the polls Fox Polls showed that's the one area
where Americans give President Trump strong approval. He also, I
would think, you know, again from a political perspective deserves
an A plus when it comes to controlling his party
and getting good decisions out of the Conservative majority on
(08:46):
the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I'm Brett Baron. We'll see you next time.
Have a question or topic you want to have addressed.
Just ask. This is the Brian Mud Show. Yes and
happy Thursday, Brian Mud and Joel Melkin is on vacation.
He'll be back with us next week. As we dive
into today's Q and A is always brought to you
by Moll Listen Ashes check Mark collections. Each day a
(00:26):
future a listener question that sent by one of these methods.
You may email me Brian Mud at iHeartMedia dot com,
hit me up on social at Brian Mud Radio and
we would love it. If you would love us, make
us your number one pre set in the iHeartRadio app.
Then make the Brian mudch A podcast number two. While
you're in there, you'll see a little microphone button. You
see it, you tap it. You may lay down a
(00:48):
message right there, maybe for a future Q and A
just like this one.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hey, Brian, how you doing? This? Is Scott from Delray Beach,
longtime listener. I think one thing that's not talked about
when we refer to mass deportation is that these people
will be returning to their countries with improved skill sets
which will actually improve the living conditions in those countries.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, and this is one that I love, by the way,
because of all the angles in all of the different
aspects of research I've done on illegal immigration over time,
I've never studied this one. Never brought a story about. Okay,
so what happens with these deportees when they go back?
Whence they came? And the answer in spending a couple
(01:33):
of days researching this is interesting. You know, I came
up with ultimately three buckets of outcomes because what we
see is that there are countries where almost always the
deportees are worse off for having come here, which, by
the way, not a bad thing, because you know, we
don't want you know, people who have been illegally in
(01:54):
this country that took advantage of this country, breaking our laws,
that go back and say, yeah, totally worth it, right,
I mean, that's not the ideal thing. We don't want
to encourage more of it. So it's not necessarily a
bad thing that you have people that go back and like, yeah,
not worth it. Should not be doing that. So anyway,
when we dive in and we take a look at this,
(02:15):
you have countries where the deportees are typically worse off,
countries where they you know, it can be a mixed bag,
and then countries were almost always the people are better
off for having done it. And so as we take
a look at this countries where deportees are often worse off,
(02:38):
they have commonalities here. They tend to be countries that
are rife with poverty, with corruption at the government level,
often a lack of infrastructure. And so when you have
these deportees that arrive back in these countries, they might
not have the opportunity to be able to deploy skills
(02:59):
even they learned them, you know, some obviously not all
illegal immigrants are going to take on new skills here anyway,
And of course you have people that have been here
for different lengths of time and everything else. But the
countries were almost always it's worse for those who came
here in the first place. El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala.
(03:20):
And a lot of that has to do with high
levels of gang violence and also extortion. For example, you
have gangs that will specifically target deporties when they get
back because they perceived them as having had something on
them of value. And on that note, even like the
one value might be familiar with the one thousand dollars
(03:40):
stipen the one thousand dollars check basically that deportees have
been receiving if they go through official channels and do
do it through the Apartment of Homeland Security and the
CPP one home app where we you know, just take
normal flight and fly them back. Well, at that point
it is you know, that's that thousand bucks, like Gonzo,
(04:01):
with a lot of these gangs in those countries. Haiti
is another one. You're probably familiar with the conditions here,
you know, extreme poverty, all kinds of political instability. There
is another situation with targeting there, but you also just
don't have the economic infrastructure in place to be able
to deploy any kind of skills you might have come by.
(04:21):
Here's one that might surprise people Mexico, most Mexican now,
I mean for some that have been funneling money back
to Mexico for some time, am I work out better?
But for the deportes themselves, often there is a stigma attached,
and so a lot of these communities they look down
on those who were nabbed and were sent back as
(04:45):
their failures, that type of thing. And yes, they can
also be targeted by the cartels once they get back
as well. Nicaraguay and Venezuela. Those are the next two
where most often the deportees are worse off and you
have a lack of economic opportunity. Of course, you've got
horrible political repression in those countries. And again the the
(05:10):
targeting that can take place with criminal elements mixed back
countries where you really get mixed results. Uh. This h
turns out to be the Dominican Republic, Jamaica and the
Philippines in particular, and there are some similarities but some
differences too. So for example, in the Dominican there is
an active reintegration system and a lot of those that
(05:34):
have come by skills are able to start their own businesses,
so there's enough economic opportunity to deploy some of those skills. However,
you do have a lot of the criminal element as well,
and that can come into play in targeting there. Jamaica,
this is one where often the skills can be deployed,
especially in in you know that that island where you
(05:56):
have so much tourism. The ability to understand and the
culture here, and also if they learn how to speak
English fluently, all those things tend to work out to
their advantage. And then with the Philippines. Those that are
US educated or came by skills, they are readily deployable
(06:18):
in the Philippines. However, there are still lots of issues
in the Philippines with corruption and gangs, so you know
the targeting thing that can come into play. And then
you get into countries where the deporties are almost always
better off. And the countries at the top are not
the ones you typically think of with the illegal immigrants,
but Canadians, Brits and Aussies commonly visa overstates in these
(06:45):
countries right and almost always those who are here illegally
from Canada, England and Australia. It worked out for them
in the end, and I don't even think it requires
an explanation as to why. Then you have India, China
and South Korea. Again, almost always things work out. The skills,
the money that was obtained, all those things are transferable
(07:07):
commonly in these countries. A lot of those are visa
over stays two, especially the China situation. And then a
couple of developing in kind of like third World countries
they might not think of Nigeria and Ghana, and the
ability to speak English and these countries has become really important.
They have growing economies and urban centers. Again, those skills
(07:28):
are deployable here, and so those are a couple. Now. Obviously,
with well over one hundred countries that we have to
boarded people to and the people have come from, there
are many more stories than just these, but these are
countries where there's enough data over a long period of
time to be able to bring you those general themes.
And so there you go. I thought that was kind
(07:48):
of interesting the breadbare minute.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
President Trump marks six months in office, touting many successes
he said during this time, calling it one of the
most consequential periods of any president. Fox and Your senior
political analyst Jan Williams, Well.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I think you have to give President Trump credit on
two fronts, and one is the border. I think, especially
in political terms, considering the tremendous amount of criticism he
had for President Biden's handling of the border, suggesting there
was an invasion and all that. Well, now there's zero
(08:24):
at order crossings, and I think most Americans, in fact,
in the polls Fox Polls showed that's the one area
where Americans give President Trump strong approval. He also, I
would think, you know, again from a political perspective deserves
an A plus when it comes to controlling his party
and getting good decisions out of the Conservative majority on
(08:46):
the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I'm Brett Baron. We'll see you next time.
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