June 27, 2025 • 7 mins
A revision will almost certainly take place with Andrea to where they backdate when the tropical storm actually formed.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
You have questions, Brian has answers. It's time for today's
Q and A of today. This is the Brian Mud Show. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Should Andrea have been declared a tropical storm? This is
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
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Speaker 1 (00:46):
You may lay down a message right there, maybe for
a future Q and A and uh today's notice this
at Brian Mud Radio. You sounded skeptical about Andrea. I'm
interested to see what you have to say about it. Incidentally,
Joel was talking to me about this a couple of
days ago as well So here you go.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Easy answer to this one two letters.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm talking about an answer to should Andrea been declared
a tropical storm? Yeah? Yeah, So what you detected earlier
in the week from me was indeed skepticism regarding the
naming of the extremely short lived tropical storm Andrea, and
not necessarily the decision by the National Hurricane Center to
declare Andrea a tropical storm, but rather the timing of it.
And that's for one very specific reason. The system in
(01:30):
the northern Atlantic was not a tropical storm at the
time it was declared. And if that sounds like an oxymoron,
because after it all, isn't this like a judgment? Hall
is ended up to the Hurricane Center's meteorologists to say, Yep,
there it is, and now it is actually no and
name only and name only, but not by way of
(01:50):
what a tropical storm actually is. As always, there are
two signs of stories of one side of facts, and
the fact is there are defined characteristics outlined by the
National Weather Service for tropical depressions, tropical storms, hurricanes, and
major hurricanes. They also have definitions for what are characterized
as tropical waves, tropical disturbances, tropical cyclones, potential tropical cyclones,
(02:15):
invest extra tropical cyclones, post tropical cyclones, ritnet lows, and
subtropical cyclones. And my point of mentioning all of what's
defined by the National Weather Service is that weather characterizations
are actually not subjective.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
There's not subjectivity here.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
They are extensively defined, and for the purpose of this conversation,
we're talking about what qualifies as a tropical cyclone, defined
as a tropical storm. Starting with the definition of a
tropical cyclone, it is a warm core, non frontal, syntopic
scale cyclone originating over tropical or subtropical waters with organized
(02:57):
deep convection and a closed surface wind circulation about a
well defined center. Once formed, a tropical cyclone is maintained
by the extraction of heat energy from the ocean at
a high temperature and heat export at the low temperatures
of the upper troposphere. And this they differ from extratropical cyclones,
(03:21):
which derive their energy from horizontal temperature contrast.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
In the atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Okay, so that is the definition of a tropical cyclone.
And as for what qualifies as a tropical storm, that
is defined as a tropical cyclone that has maximum sustained
surface winds ranging from thirty nine to seventy three miles
per hour. So again, the term tropical storm is a
precise thing. This is science after all, So that takes
(03:49):
us to the dynamic in play with tropical Storm Mandria.
The system in the North Atlantic, as I mentioned, was
not a tropical storm at the time the National Hurricane
Center declared it to be one. Period, it was not
specifically at the time it was declared to be a
tropical storm and failed to meet this standard a closed
surface wind circulation about a well defined center or what
(04:14):
we call an eye. There wasn't one. And what I
will do is part of posting this on the Brian
Mooshow blog today. I have a link of the radar,
really outstanding radar for you, from the moment that it
was named, what it looked like, what it was doing,
all the way through the end.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
There actually was never a.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Time in that whole window when it had that characteristic
meant a closed surface wind circulation about a well defined center. Now, interestingly,
you could have made the case up to two days prior,
because there were points in days leading up to when
(04:56):
they declared Indrea that it actually might have met that standard.
You take a look at the radar going back, and
it was better organized well prior to when they named
it a storm. They only named it when it was
in the process of falling apart.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
What was there?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And so the question that becomes why right, and what
I do believe you're going to see is an eventual
revision of the timing of this system. You might remember
the twenty twenty three hurricane season when the National Hurricane
Center in late spring I believe it was in May.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Came back. Is that.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Hey, by the way, there was a subtropical storm that
formed in January.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, that was actually the first system of the season.
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, a revision like that is almost certainly going to
take place with Andrea to where they backdate when the
tropical storm actually formed, because it is indefensible at the
time that they declared it. And on that note, this
is where my semi frustration comes into play, because unlike
the subtropical January thing of a couple of years yars ago,
(06:00):
where you might have had somebody who was bored, had
some time in their hands and went back and hey,
I think we could say this was a thing. Now
this time around, we're in a hurricane season. You had
a round the clock team of meteorologists specifically watching this thing,
and at the it was such a borderline case that
when it was at its apex, the forecaster of forecasters
(06:23):
associated with those updates did not believe in that moment,
those moments it met the requirements to be a tropical storm.
But then somebody else later assessed it to me. So
that's what doesn't sit well with me, and it's frustrating
because a fact matter, and they should be the only
thing that matters when forecasting at the NHC and B
actually greatly respect the meteorologist at the National Weather Service
(06:43):
and the NHC. They are, unbalance, the best in the
world of what they do. So I take no joy
in questioning what's happened here, but that it was not
what they said it was at the time that they
declared it. That is something that I again guarantee you
is going to be addressed. But does open then that,
you know, the organization to criticism or concern or skepticism
(07:06):
as the case happens to be
The Brian Mudshow podcast is driven by Brayman Motor Cars.
My family is a Brayman Motor Cars family. Your family
should be to visit Braymanmotorcars dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
You have questions, Brian has answers. It's time for today's
Q and A of today. This is the Brian Mud Show. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Should Andrea have been declared a tropical storm? This is
brought to you by Melissa and Ashes check Mark collections.
Each day a future listener question sent by one of
these methods. You may email me Brian Mudd at iHeartMedia
dot com, hand me up on social at Brian mud Radio.
May also use the iHeartRadio talkback feature Just go two
w jano or if you're a patriot, inside the iHeartRadio app,
we would love it if you would love us.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
While you're in there, look for the little microphone button
and see it. Tap it.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You may lay down a message right there, maybe for
a future Q and A and uh today's notice this
at Brian Mud Radio. You sounded skeptical about Andrea. I'm
interested to see what you have to say about it. Incidentally,
Joel was talking to me about this a couple of
days ago as well So here you go.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Easy answer to this one two letters.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm talking about an answer to should Andrea been declared
a tropical storm? Yeah? Yeah, So what you detected earlier
in the week from me was indeed skepticism regarding the
naming of the extremely short lived tropical storm Andrea, and
not necessarily the decision by the National Hurricane Center to
declare Andrea a tropical storm, but rather the timing of it.
And that's for one very specific reason. The system in
(01:30):
the northern Atlantic was not a tropical storm at the
time it was declared. And if that sounds like an oxymoron,
because after it all, isn't this like a judgment? Hall
is ended up to the Hurricane Center's meteorologists to say, Yep,
there it is, and now it is actually no and
name only and name only, but not by way of
(01:50):
what a tropical storm actually is. As always, there are
two signs of stories of one side of facts, and
the fact is there are defined characteristics outlined by the
National Weather Service for tropical depressions, tropical storms, hurricanes, and
major hurricanes. They also have definitions for what are characterized
as tropical waves, tropical disturbances, tropical cyclones, potential tropical cyclones,
(02:15):
invest extra tropical cyclones, post tropical cyclones, ritnet lows, and
subtropical cyclones. And my point of mentioning all of what's
defined by the National Weather Service is that weather characterizations
are actually not subjective.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
There's not subjectivity here.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
They are extensively defined, and for the purpose of this conversation,
we're talking about what qualifies as a tropical cyclone, defined
as a tropical storm. Starting with the definition of a
tropical cyclone, it is a warm core, non frontal, syntopic
scale cyclone originating over tropical or subtropical waters with organized
(02:57):
deep convection and a closed surface wind circulation about a
well defined center. Once formed, a tropical cyclone is maintained
by the extraction of heat energy from the ocean at
a high temperature and heat export at the low temperatures
of the upper troposphere. And this they differ from extratropical cyclones,
(03:21):
which derive their energy from horizontal temperature contrast.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
In the atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Okay, so that is the definition of a tropical cyclone.
And as for what qualifies as a tropical storm, that
is defined as a tropical cyclone that has maximum sustained
surface winds ranging from thirty nine to seventy three miles
per hour. So again, the term tropical storm is a
precise thing. This is science after all, So that takes
(03:49):
us to the dynamic in play with tropical Storm Mandria.
The system in the North Atlantic, as I mentioned, was
not a tropical storm at the time the National Hurricane
Center declared it to be one. Period, it was not
specifically at the time it was declared to be a
tropical storm and failed to meet this standard a closed
surface wind circulation about a well defined center or what
(04:14):
we call an eye. There wasn't one. And what I
will do is part of posting this on the Brian
Mooshow blog today. I have a link of the radar,
really outstanding radar for you, from the moment that it
was named, what it looked like, what it was doing,
all the way through the end.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
There actually was never a.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Time in that whole window when it had that characteristic
meant a closed surface wind circulation about a well defined center. Now, interestingly,
you could have made the case up to two days prior,
because there were points in days leading up to when
(04:56):
they declared Indrea that it actually might have met that standard.
You take a look at the radar going back, and
it was better organized well prior to when they named
it a storm. They only named it when it was
in the process of falling apart.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
What was there?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And so the question that becomes why right, and what
I do believe you're going to see is an eventual
revision of the timing of this system. You might remember
the twenty twenty three hurricane season when the National Hurricane
Center in late spring I believe it was in May.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Came back. Is that.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Hey, by the way, there was a subtropical storm that
formed in January.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, that was actually the first system of the season.
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, a revision like that is almost certainly going to
take place with Andrea to where they backdate when the
tropical storm actually formed, because it is indefensible at the
time that they declared it. And on that note, this
is where my semi frustration comes into play, because unlike
the subtropical January thing of a couple of years yars ago,
(06:00):
where you might have had somebody who was bored, had
some time in their hands and went back and hey,
I think we could say this was a thing. Now
this time around, we're in a hurricane season. You had
a round the clock team of meteorologists specifically watching this thing,
and at the it was such a borderline case that
when it was at its apex, the forecaster of forecasters
(06:23):
associated with those updates did not believe in that moment,
those moments it met the requirements to be a tropical storm.
But then somebody else later assessed it to me. So
that's what doesn't sit well with me, and it's frustrating
because a fact matter, and they should be the only
thing that matters when forecasting at the NHC and B
actually greatly respect the meteorologist at the National Weather Service
(06:43):
and the NHC. They are, unbalance, the best in the
world of what they do. So I take no joy
in questioning what's happened here, but that it was not
what they said it was at the time that they
declared it. That is something that I again guarantee you
is going to be addressed. But does open then that,
you know, the organization to criticism or concern or skepticism
(07:06):
as the case happens to be
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