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January 13, 2025 • 87 mins
It's a Monday edition of The Craig Way Show and Craig and Cameron Parker are back in the studio to dissect the tough weekend for Texas Athletics. Craig and Cam react to the news of Mike McCarthy's dismissal from the Dallas Cowboys. Craig breaks down the Cotton Bowl loss to Ohio State. Hear from Texas Basketball coach Rodney Terry after the Horns suffered two close losses to No. 1 Tennessee and No. 2 Auburn.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good afternoon, and welcome to the program here on Sports
Radio AM thirteen under the Zone.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
My name is Craig Wait.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Thanks so much for joining us, and we're with you
each and every afternoon from two to five Monday through Friday,
unless we're traveling or game or all that. There'll be
some of that stuff going on this week for us. US,
of course, includes the producer of this program, Cameron D.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Parker.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
The D on the birth certificate stands for Dallas, as
in his favorite pro football team, who we learned just
a little while ago, is granting Cameron's wish and is
going to have a new head coach. I was looking
for confetti and streamers and horn sounding and all that
other kind of stuff. God is good, is good. So

(00:48):
the Almighty handle this.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
No, Yeah, he's a little bit busy with more things
important than Jerry Jones. But a lot, a lot of
ways we can go and quick cope with this, Craig
claud this finally happened. If only I had seen this,
Oh way, Yeah, I think all Cowboys fans knew this
after the last season that we were going to be here.
So on the one hand, it's caused for celebration. The

(01:12):
Cowboys and Mike McCarthy have parted ways. But also just
the fact that this whole thing could have been avoided
a year ago and kind of shows you that Jerry
Jones and the Cowboys just don't have a plan they
have They have no idea what's going on. They have
no idea what they're doing. Well, their plan was hope.
They were hoping that McCarthy could get it turned around.

(01:32):
After all, they were the two seed last year, you know,
before the collapse against the Packers, So there was hope
that they were going to build off of that. That
obviously didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
There's great and then and then it was kind of
weird because the Cowboys refused to grant the Bear's permission
to talk to him.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
So that's what I understand, Craig, is if you're still
in negotiations with your head coach this week, what does
that mean? Like they couldn't come to a deal because
apparently McCarthy wanted something a little bit longer, the Cowboys
weren't sold on that. So what was what was your plan?
Because all these all these other teams either either they
have made their higher like the Patriots with Mike Frable,
or you're a team like the Bears or Saints who

(02:10):
ideally is probably waiting on a coordinator like Ben Johnson
or Slowick with the Texans Jerry Jones, just like, let's
see what happens. I don't know, we'll see. So this
coaching starts going to be wild. Craig, It's gonna be
absolutely wild. If you told me the Marl it's gonna
be John Gruden, wouldn't be surprised. If you told me
it's Jason Whitnew wouldn't be surprised. Shoot, Kellen Moore Philadelphia

(02:34):
would not be a surprised. I don't think so, because
I figured we would have heard more traction in the
years past. But maybe with the way Jerry I mean,
you know, you know how Jerry likes to operate. He
likes to have either a coach that has that Super
Bowl resume so that screams John Gruden or Pete Carroll.
I wouldn't mind Pee Koe. I'm not on Gruden or

(02:56):
someone that has a relationship with a franchise. Kellen Moore,
who was obviously the OC here before going to Philadelphia.
Deon Sanders, who I don't know, you know, apparently his
camp has reached out to Las Vegas, Las Vegas that
we're good on that front. Or as we heard coming
into the show on the Callen Coward Show, Jason Witten,
who I believe one of our listeners actually texted in
last week and said, Hey, what about Jason Whitten, who

(03:19):
I believe is win back to back state championships.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
At the private school right level at Liberty Christian in Argyle. Yeah,
between Dallas and Denton, just south of Denton.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, he is done.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
All right, So that news is coming down today and
we've got a lot of time to discuss it, and
we will.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
We'll talk about that. We'll talk about the NFL.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Wild Card weekend, which is weekend plus one because there's
one more wildcard game that's tonight, Rams and Vikings playing
in Glendale, Arizona. There's a whole lot of permutations around that,
and how the winner now will go to Philadelphia out
Detroit because of what the Washington Commanders did last night.
So we'll talk about that. The review of the AFC stuff,
which was traw and then some, so we'll get to

(04:03):
that obviously. We'll also have review of the long win
football season which came to its heartbreaking conclusion on Friday
night at the Cotton Bowl in the semifinal round of
the College Football Playoff, and talk about that the players
who have decided they're moving on to the National Football League.
We'll talk about the two teams remaining, Ohio State and

(04:26):
Notre Dame, and then there's Long.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
One basketball to talk about.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
They come off playing back to back games against the
number two team in the country and the number one
team in the country. That's never happened before for Texas,
and they had two incredibly competitive games, especially the game
Saturday against Tennessee. They were way down Auburn but came
back and cut it to three twice in the final minute.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
We couldn't get over the hump. And then Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
They led a lot of the game, including they were
by five to nine minutes to go and Tennessee was
able to ease away and win it by four. And
the Long Wrns leave tomorrow for Norman, Oklahoma to play
in Oklahoma team that start off unbeating it was red hot,
but now the Sooners, just like the Long Words, are
a win three and are trying to find their way
in the SEC. And those two are in an important

(05:14):
matchup on Wednesday night at Lloyd Dobles Center. And by
the way, I don't know if you've noticed, did you
see the tip off time for the game Wednesday?

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I've noticed.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Did you notice on the itinerary what time we get
back home? It's the game ticks off tips off at
nine o'clock Central time, nine o'clock Central time.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
That's ten Eastern. That's in the Eastern.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
And this is what this is one of the byproducts,
one of the collateral things that happen when you join
a new league like the SEC, which has a lot
of Eastern time zoned teams, and what happens is television,
and of course ESPN is a slave to I mean,

(06:04):
the SEC is a slave to ESPN.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
We know that.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
And because of that, they want to have a triple
header on certain nights, including Wednesday. So there's a triple
header which would be at five o'clock Texas time, seven
o'clock Texas time, nine o'clock Texas time. And so they
you know, with the two teams, and two of the
teams in the Central time zone, there's more than just

(06:28):
those two that are in the Central time zone. Both
Mississippi's l s U, Texas A and m Arkansas Vanderbilt,
all of the all of those teams are in the
Central time Zone, but let's see Alabama and Auburn or

(06:49):
in the Central time zone. So in any event, as
it stands, it's it's one of those weird deals where
you know you're going to play at the time that
television assigns you to play. So for those who are
mad about the schedule there so that that's all established

(07:10):
by the SEC in conjunction with and in conversation consultation
with ESPN. So the game on Wednesday night is at
nine o'clock and it's an important game for both of
those teams. Neither side wants to go to Owen foreign
conference place. So that's Wednesday night at Lloyd Noble. Texas
women come off yesterday's test that they were unable to

(07:34):
pass against the number two team in the country. They
lost at South Carolina sixty seven to fifty in and
it had some of the most bizarre numbers that you'll
ever encounter, and looking at it, I couldn't believe it myself,
and I was calling the game. But we'll recap some
of those we have inconceivable coming up and in an

(07:58):
inconceivable we've got a story. You know, we didn't have
a show Friday because Friday was game Day. So on Friday,
you know, we usually a Florida man. Well, my wife
had a story brought to her attention about a Florida couple.

(08:20):
And this is as Florida man in Florida woman as
it gets because it involves robbery and defecation. Yeah, so
we'll have that coming up at Inconceivable. Plus, plus we
have the latest edition. It doesn't happen that often, but

(08:41):
it does happen from time to time, the latest edition
of the Inconceivable Craigway travel Story. And it happened yesterday
because and probably was a byproduct of all the travel
of the past several days and just some absolute abject dumbassery.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
On my part.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
But you know, I'll own it and we'll just live
with that. Just deal with that.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
So that's coming to and Inconceivable. So understand we got that.
We're gonna hear from Rodney Terry Long Worn Men's Coach
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(10:05):
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Speaker 4 (10:15):
It's the Craig Way Show with the voice of the
Texas Longhorns in Hall of Vain broadcast there.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Craig, We're glad of you with us on a Monday
afternoon here. I know the hurt and the wound are
probably still fresh for a lot of Longhorn fans as

(10:43):
to what happened on Friday night at the Cotton Bowl
in Dallas. In Arlington.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I'm with you, totally get it, totally understand it. I
think there's a lot of different perspectives, not only on
the game and how it ended, but there are those
who have kind of, you might say, combined or just
kind of molded the game and the way it ended

(11:16):
on Friday night into their perception of the season as
a whole. And that's where I would probably differ with
those folks who would do that, because I think they
are two separate things. One ended the other, but it
doesn't mean that the other was as tragic as the
ending of the first as.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
You might imagined.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
The game itself obviously looked for a long time as
though the Longhorns were not going to be able to
muster much offensively against that Ohio State defense, and then
the adjustments were made. Had the late first half drive
and then you had gut punched Number one the screen
to Trevion Henderson who takes it seventy five yards for

(12:01):
a touchdown. In the waiting seconds of the first half.
That was the first cut punch. Then the long ORNs
fight hard and score in the third quarter, get the
touchdown on the second pass to Jayden Blue to tie
the score. And I know some of you have noticed this,

(12:23):
but for those who had not, that was the first
third quarter touchdown for the Long Horns in six weeks,
in six games. Now, ironically, in all six of those
prior games they led all of them, and in all
but one the Arizona State game the Peach Bowl, they

(12:43):
scored at least a field goal in the third quarter,
but there were no offensive touchdowns in the third quarter
coming after the Florida game all the way through to
that Ohio State game. Also, in those six games, the
Long Worns won five of them. The only one that
they didn't win was the SEC Championship. Now that was

(13:04):
going up to the third quarter of the Cotton Bowl
and they get the touchdown to tie it, give up
the touchdown the fourth quarter, they fall behind twenty one
to fourteen. I know a lot of Long Run fans
who saw, especially those who were at the game and
could look up at the jumbo tron and see Colin
simmons jersey being grabbed and he's clearly held when he

(13:24):
could possibly have had a sack instead of turning into
an eighteen yard play on third down and ten.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I believe those things happen.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
The college football game is an imperfect science, and officiating
is also that an imperfect science, and calls get missed,
and sometimes calls that should not have been called are called.
Those things happen. It is part of the game and
we're all subject to it. I suppose, as followers of
the game undawned, the long runs do start fighting back.

(13:55):
They hit some big passes won the Wingo and then
the other to Matthew Golden, and they get it down
there and then there's not one, but two pass interference
calls them back to back. It kind of reminded me
of I don't know if you remember this game the
Super Bowl, when the Rams played the Bengals. On that
final drive for the Rams, the Bengals kept committing pass

(14:17):
interference penalties right at there on Cooper Cup. They just
grabbing him, holding him, practically tackling him, and they just bam, bam,
Bam kept hitting him with the passing and then they
finally wound up throwing him a pass that he caught.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Anyway, in this.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Case, they get it down to the two yard line
and have a pass interference call. So now they got
first and goal with to one. And if it's too
painful for you to recap, I got you understanding. You know,
cover your ears or however you want to dismiss this,
but just to recap it, they bring in the jumbo

(14:51):
package and they have Jermaine Lolay back there.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
They have a big, big defensive.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Lineman there as blocking backs, and they give it to
Eric Gibson. I've looked at it a couple of different times. Yes,
it does look I know some folks thought this that
Gibson kind of cut away from the blocks. He kind
of turned back inside a little bit, but it was
between the two blocks. But the second block did not
come through the way they wanted, so as a result
of that, he gets tackled short of the goal line.

(15:18):
Now it's second down. I also know the sentiments of
many saying, you just pounded away four times at the
one yard line and if you don't get it in,
then you said we didn't deserve to win. Well, if
you don't get it in from the one yard line
on four downs, no matter what downs you use, you
didn't deserve to win anyway, regardless of how you spind

(15:42):
the downs. Clearly, Sark felt that Ohio State's number one
run defense and number one defense in the red zone
was going to be as tough against the run as
long runs have been down like they were against Arizona.
Stayed in against Texas A and M against the run,
and that's why they went with the pitch out, which

(16:05):
you had one player miss a block. Caleb Downs makes
a great play just shooting through the gap and Trey
Wisner gets trapped for a seven yard loss. Now it's
third down. You get a tip pass when Wingo looked
like he might be open for a moment, but it
was tip. And then it brings up the fourth down,
and again it was another miss block and yours gets hit,

(16:28):
ball comes loose, and the most catastrophic of all results
because even if you just sacked there and Ohio State
takes over, you still have your timeouts, and the two
minute timeout could have perhaps pinned him back and forced
to punch.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
You never know.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
But the worst of all possible outcomes. Obviously, the Strip
sacked the fumble, the eighty three yard return for the
touchdown by Jack Sawyer, and that was it. So there's
a lot of ways to analyze it and talk about it.
There's a lot of fault finding that that's part of
the game, and as fans, you have every right in
the world to play that blame game. It's the easiest

(17:05):
thing in the world is to second guest when you
get at the one yard line too, when things don't
go right. Even then, when not at the one yard line,
hindsight's always twenty twenty. It's always going to be that way,
and it's okay to speculate. I think sargets that everybody
understands that he stands by what he went for, but
it wasn't properly executed and as a result they wind

(17:27):
up losing the game. Now here's the part where I
was talking about where it rolls back differently from the
season itself. It's incredibly disappointing, obviously, and it was really
cool to see a lot of Longhorn fans so excited

(17:52):
there and it was a decided home field advantage to
the car. When you say so, Cam, you were in
there when you say.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I think we did.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
When I first walked into EIGHTE and D Stadium, it
felt like I was a DKR, not a burn Orange
on both sides of the field.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Agreed.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
And so for those who say Texas fans are just
T shirt fans or this or that, and it'll show blah
blah blah. Those of you who are there pat yourself
on the back. You did a heck of a job.
You made a lot of noise, and I know the
players and the coaching staff appreciated.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
It as well.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
So that just means there's that much angst, heartbreak, disappointment,
disillusionmant in some cases anger, frustration, all of those things
about how it ended then, and that's totally understandable. I
would differ with those who think it is micro cosmic

(18:51):
of the season. You don't win thirteen games and fifteen
tries going into that contest without doing the vast majority
of things directly in terms of the coaching, in terms
of the play calling, in terms of the execution, all
of it. This is the season to be proud of.
This is back to back final fours for this team.

(19:12):
And for those who want to throw some stones, go ahead,
but understand. The program that you're throwing the stones at
right now is twenty five and five of the past
two years, twenty five and five back to back trips
to the Final four, including having to earn their way
back to the Final four this year by winning a
first round game and a Peach Bawl quarterfinal to get there.

(19:35):
They were the only ones from the four teams that
were in the playoff last year even to get into
the twelve team, let alone the final four. So they
have a lot to be proud of. Satisfied, No, of course,
not still ways to go, and they're still building.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
And I would just say this, I don't know if
you saw it on social.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Media's Nick Benito, the former Sooner, just kind of clowning
Michael taff Or, letting out a a primal scream of
anguish and frustration on his way to the locker room
and and and getting emotional. And then there's Nick Benito
getting interviewed yesterday after loss to the Bills, and he's
getting choked up, you know, and and you know it's

(20:18):
a little bit different in both cases. One's making more noise, yeah,
but the other one is supposedly the older veteran pro
I think there's nothing wrong with either situation of being
choked up or expressing frustrations. You pour so much of yourself,
your heart and soul. We visited with Taff. Taff wasn't

(20:40):
in the general news conference. He did visit with us
on the postgame, and he and his voice was shaky,
and he was and he was upset with himself and
and and the how. But he was also very very
proud of the season and of his coaches and of
his teammates. And that says a lot, not only about
him and the kind of guy he is, because he
is that kind of guide, but not only that, but

(21:02):
also about this football program. So if you are indeed
a true fan of all of that, then I would say,
you know, take some pride in what this football team accomplished.
Nobody said they've arrived or anything like that. But in

(21:24):
terms of that what had become the age old question,
are they back? I would say back in terms of
being an annual contender. With the signing classes coming in,
with what they have coming back, with what they're building on,
it's a reason to be pretty optimistic about what's to
come in the future. All Right, Coming up next, we
have inconceivable, a couple of bizarre stories, and then just

(21:49):
to kind of dumb travel story on my part, but
it does kind of fall into the inconceivable file. That's
next here on Sports Radio AM thirteen under the Zone,
Craig Way alongside the producer and Parker Glad to have
you with us, and a lot to get to more.
Obviously on the Long Worn season, we'll hear from Randy
Terry with regard to Long Worn Basketball, and a couple

(22:10):
other interesting takes on pro football, including the change that
is apparently not only imminent but I guess you might
say not only emminent but official with regard to Mike McCarthy.

(22:33):
He is not going to return as the Cowboys head
coach in twenty twenty five. Jerry Jones made that announcement today.
They had that exclusive negotiating window with him until tomorrow
at midnight, but he said, over the past week, Mike
and I had the opportunity anyway, Mike and I had
the opportunity to conduct a joint review of all aspects

(22:56):
of the past season, our players and staff, and also
spent considerable time discussing seeing the road forward for the team.
These discussions were thorough and received an appropriate amount of
time and depth to cover prior to reaching the point
of contract negotiations, though it became mutually clear that it
would be better for each of us to head in
a different direction. I think Mike and I wish him,
his wife, Jessica, and their family the best. They've been

(23:16):
a wonderful part of our community here, and Jones added,
the Cowboys will begin the search for the next head
coach immediately. So I know which you're thinking in many
of Cowboys times, Why did it take this long and
get to this point?

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Never even should have hired him in the first place.
But also a lot of this is to blame on
Jerry Jones in the front office. I mean, Mike McCarthy
was set up to fail this season. The roster got worse,
they did not put any more money into it. Their
big free agency acquisition was Eric Kendricks, linebacker passed his
prime who was signed just because of his relationship with

(23:52):
Mike Simmer and the Vikings injuries to not help of course,
Dak Prescott going down, Trevon Diggs was injured to got
injured before offensive line had issues. I mean, my biggest
concern going into the season Craig was you bring back McCarthy,
but nothing else changed in terms of the roster. Roster
got worse. The coaching, I don't think it really changed

(24:16):
much going from dan Quinn to Mike Zimmer. I don't
think Zimmer had the right personnel on this team that
he would like to have had. I mean, this roster
was kind of built for dan Quinn of his defense,
and I think we saw that throughout the year.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
The Cowboys defense.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Was all right, and then of course on the offensive end,
the running back room maybe the worst running back room
in NFL history. Their big move was design Zekiel Elliott
and Dalvin Cook. I don't know if Dalvin Cook even
got to carry for Dallas this season. Zeke ended up
getting cut so he could join the Chargers, who got eliminated.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
By the Houston Texans. Shout out to Houston Texans graduations
playoff victory.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
So all of this, you know, you know, I took
about Mike McCarthy and I don't think he was the
right higher at all. But also the front office let
him down as well. It remains to be seeing who
this next head coach is, but he's gonna have a
tough test because it does appear that the Cowboys had
the same plan going into this offseason as they did

(25:11):
last season, which is, we're not going to spend money,
We're gonna cut corners. We're gonna hope that some of
the players that you know, we drafted are going to
be able to turn into Pro bowlers and develop them.
And sure, that's good, but you know, when you have
a season like this where injuries start to mount up
and all of a sudden, your death is being tested
and guys who shouldn't be starting on the NFL level

(25:32):
are starting, it's reflected when your team is getting blown out.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Honestly, each way, each week you said that Mike McCarthy
was set up to fail. Who was more set up
to fail, Mike McCarthy or Gerrod Mayo.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Oh, that's a that's a really good question. I would
say Cowboys definitely. I think have a better roster and
and Mayo had never been a head coach. Yeah, but yeah,
Mayo was put in a spot and even Robber Kraft
admitted he was put in the spot where he was
felt he was not going to succeed. He was obviously
not ready to be head coach, that's for sure. I

(26:08):
think you know, McCarthy at least took Dallas to the
playoffs a couple of times. Right, never got a playoff
win though, But for Mayo, I mean, the Patriots were
just awful and the coaching was awful.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
But Cowoys had a better roster, So that's good. That's
a good question.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Is Okay, let me hit you with his follow up
who is better suited to at this point on January thirteenth,
Who is better suited that of a better twenty twenty
five season. The Patriots with Mike Vrabel or the Cowboys
with head coach to be named.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
I think the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
I think Rabe was going to get in there and
he's going to clean that place up pretty quickly. I
think Drake may is going to have a fantastic second
season if Rabel can hire the right offensive coordinator and
they go after like say, I don't know, T Higgins,
they got top ten draft pick. We'll see if they
go skill player, offensive line, maybe defense. I mean, I

(27:04):
think with the Cowboys roster there's still good enough to
be a playoff team. Maybe not the Patriots, but I
would trust the Patriots and Mike, I mean Mike Rabile
turn Tennessee around quickly right led him to an AFC
Championship game with Ryan Tannehill right at quarterback, and their
defense was phenomenal and just unfortunately for the Titans. You know,
they made a Brandon dead move by moving on for him.

(27:26):
And I don't think him and the GM got along
very well. But I think fra will if he can
win a Tennessee, he can win in New England. I
would just say New England. Okay, all right, So it
begs this question.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
And I also can open it up on the on
the text line for those who have questions about this.
Who would you want to see be the Cowboys next
head coach? And I'll offer that up. You want to
throw it in on the tax line, you can do it.
All you have to do is text the word Texas
followed by your opinion on who the Cowboys next head.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Coach should be.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
And you know to eight one five three zero standard
messaging and data race may apply.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Anybody just leap off the page engine. Unfortunately they've all
been hired. Yeah, Belichicks, Well, I asked the question Sean Payton. Yeah,
I would have loved those guys. Mike Frable would have
loved him as well. Out of the guys remaining, I
think you got to have a head coach who understands
the Cowboys circus. So I wouldn't be opposed to Dean

(28:23):
Sanders just because I think he understands the media circus
very well, and he knows Jerry Jones farewell in that family.
Jason Witten, I know he knows it. Again, it concerns
me going from private school to the NFL. Now, maybe
he makes the right hires defensively and offensively. In terms
of coordinator spots, I would not want to see Kellen
Moore as the next head coach.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Even though he's got an NFL assistant coaching experience, which
the other two guys do not have.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
He does, but he also has a fantastic offensive line,
a top two running back in Saquon Barkley, a top
five receiver in aj Brown, and he's got Dallas Goddard
who was phenomenal yesterday, and Devonte Smith and Jalen Hurts
is a good quarterback. So I don't you know, I
think this the thing with a lot of his coordinator position.

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Craig is like, oh, go ahead and hire Ben Johnson,
go ahead and hire this oc or that ocok how
good their offense was. Well, also look at how good
the roster was too. Like the thing that worries me
about Ben Johnson and hiring him from Detroit is Detroit's
got a fantastic offensive line, a great quarterback who can
manage the game well, and then you've got fantastic skill players,
you know. So if you go from something like that

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to a different a different team who might not be
as talented will there'd be a big drop off that
concerns me. Like if Ben Johnson went from the Detroit
offense the Las Vegas offense, I don't think it would
work out well. But go back to your answer, it's tough, Craig,
I think I don't. I think these who I want,

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who Jerry's gonna hire is cann be vastly different.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Sure, that's why I asked you, because we know Jerry's
going to probably do something different.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
I wouldn't mind Ben Johnson, I think.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
With Well, as long as you're talking to Troy, what
about Aaron Glenn?

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Is he not ready for the next step? There are
those who say he is based on what he's done,
and there are those who say he's no better than
Todd Bowles.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
You can argue that it depends on and.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Had a nice season with Tampa Bay, but it ended
last night with an unexpected law home playoff loss to Washington,
So you know, is is it because of that? He
is he hit the ceiling. Here's another thing, Mike Tomlin.
There folks who say he's gone stale and it's worn
out in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
He's not had a.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Losing season, but been a long time since he's had
him make a deep run in the playoffs. So this
was a piece of sound from I guess it was
from yesterday's NFL NFL Today programming and or Fox NFL
Sunday and what it's Terry Bradshaw and Jimmy Johnson and

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Michael Strahan, right, and they're talking about this Cowboys situation
that they're talking about Pittsburgh as well. Listen, listen to
this conversation from these guys talking about a theory that
Jimmy would have about Pittsburgh and Dallas Houston.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
I can't get over the game last night when you
saw the Baltimore Ravens beat Pittsburgh Steelers. Steelers now lost
five straight games. I mean, that's just unheard of defense
was horrible, couldn't stop the run, couldn't stop the pass,
couldn't do.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Anything right last night.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
And honestly, Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
I'd have to go to you. You can't lose playoff games.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
This doesn't look anything like the Steeler teams we've seen. Yeah, yeah,
Terry Dow, I've got no inside information, but you know,
things are stale in Pittsburgh, things are stale in Dallas,
and just food for thought. How about a coaching swamp.
Mike McCarthy's a Pittsburgh guy. Let him go to Pittsburgh,
Mike Tomlin go to Dallas. Both franchises would be excited.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
But then the only problem med that.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
I mean you said he both stale, but one continues
to make the playoffs and the other one does it.
That's not scale having more success.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Michael, all right, that's not entirely true. The Cowboys were
the number two seed last year in the playoffs, number
two in the NFC. Now they got beat in the
first round by Green Bay. So this thing about continuing
to not make the playoffs is not correct. That's why
I've always said that when long worn fans gripe, make
sure you have your facts in order. And correct before

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you take shots off of that, understand and don't in
the case of straight and he's doing it, you know
obviously for a television program. What would you think about
Mike Tomlin if Pittsburgh was tired of him?

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Would you want him? Would you want him to in Dallas?
I love Mike tom but I don't think he could
mesh with Jerry Jones. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
So there was that, okay, And and by the way,
this I heard this sound this morning when I was
driving around and running some Marens, like running over the
the rental car plation all that, and I heard Mike
Hardball hard play that piece of sound. And that's why
I wanted to reair it. If you were listening to
the Morning kick Off, you heard Mike run it. And
then Harje also did this one.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
This had me laughing.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
This is Rex Ryan who still believes he has a
shot to be the Jets head coach, I guess for
some reason. And he was asked he was asked about
Vrabel taking the New England job.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
The Coach of the Year in twenty twenty one is
forty nine years old, will be fifty when next season begins, Rex,
what's your reaction.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Hey man, I mean, hopefully I get to kick this
guy's ask twice a year.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Maybe your team, not my team, yes, but not me personally,
not him personally.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
I don't think he could take Mike Rabel if he
wanton on one to get I don't think he could
off of that. All right, we'll get some more of
your submissions.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Again.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
You have a suggestion, who would you want to see
as the Cowboys head coach? I we'll talk more about that.
We're also going to hear from Roddy Terry, Texas men's
basketball coach. We had a lot to get too. Still
here on the program on AM thirteen.

Speaker 6 (34:07):
Under the Zone, We're back.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
It's the Craig Way Show with Hall of Fame broadcaster
and voice of the Texas Longhearts Craig Way.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
With you on a Monday afternoon here on AM thirteen
hundred Zone, when I was engaged in the text exchange
with the texter or said on how well Texas played
this season against the week SEC scheduled. The bottom line
is to try to win the games and if they

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want to all the other games, all of the other
games that they played. They still you know, they won
thirteen games. It's going to because how else would you
characterize it. They played the games on their schedule. They
won the games on the schedule. Anyway, the reason I
was responding to that, and then somebody else said the
just texted and said, the chances that your team actually

(35:20):
wins a championship are low, so you have to enjoy
the ride. It's part of being a fan. It could
be so much worse. I couldn't agree more. And if
you've been a fan for some time, you know this.
You know this no matter what team you root for.
But for the purposes of this conversation, you'd have to

(35:41):
do it as I mean, you were a student at Texas,
and you were a student at Texas when things were
not so great on the football field, right, you.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Could say that craig first year was Texas is back,
shout out Joe Tests when they were in fact not back.
And then of course five and I was there through
Tom Herman's tenure as well, and the highlighted.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
And here's the thing. Here's the thing about Tom Herman.
He had four seasons here, did not have a losing record,
and won four bowl games. But the high water mark
was that one New Year six Sugar Bowl win over Georgia.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
That was it.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
And before then it's Alamo Bowls. There's a Texas Bowl
and an Alamo Bowl, and there's other Alimo ball I mean,
it just it didn't plateau the way this has and
crescendo the last two years, is my point.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
And I think people forget too Craig that not to
strip anything away from that team, because that was a
fantastic team that did beat George and the Sugar Bowl
and they were the better team, but they also got
into that Sugar Bowl because Oklahoma got an automatic bid
into the College Football Playoff. Texas would have been I
think likely Craig either playing in the Almo Bowl or
maybe they put in the Alma Bowl that year if

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not for the Oklahoma winning the Big Twelve.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
So that's I think that's the perspective that I was
trying to make about here. Remember where they were pretty recently.
I'm not talking two decades ago or whatever. I'm talking
about within the last six seven years and leading up
to win, Sark took over. So I'm just saying bear
that in mind as you try to evaluate not only

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this season, but what's happened in the past two years
where this team has gone twenty five and five, won
a conference championship, been in the final four two years
in a row, and beat two conference champions in the
playoffs this year.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Knocking on the door, Sarcas, Texas knocking on the door,
and yeah you can. You can nitpick and go back
to the two failed drives and one against Washington and
one against Ohio State. But also Texas is right there
and it's not like crag that this it's going away
anytime soon. The waist Sark has built this program up
and the way he's recruited and use the transfer portal

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and brought in this coaches there, Texas is in a
fantastic spot to be right back there again next season,
in the year after that and going forward.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Okay, a couple of things, A couple of things on
the tech line. Somebody said let's get Sark for Dallas.
Someone had to say it. I hope that's not the case.
And I don't think. I don't think Jerry Jones is
Sarks kind of guy, as is me. But is Sark

(38:26):
good enough, qualified enough? I think the coach in the NFL.
Of course I do, but I hope he hope he doesn't.
Hope he sticks around.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I think we would we would have known by now
Craig if he was wanting to get back into the NFL. Yeah,
and siding that we've already heard stuff about Dion's camp
reaching out to the Raiders, we have not heard anything
about that from Sark. NFL is a completely different animal
and the Cowboys are in their own different tier. As
we already have covered on this program many times.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Somebody said, what happened the night before last we're talking
about the I think the satellite dropout. So tried listening
to a portable ready one of the radio stations in Austin,
but couldn't. My driver try to pick you up on
one of the stations in Dallas, but cannot find you either. Now,
we were on ten eighty AM in Dallas on kild
But they could well have been afflicted by the same

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satellite issues that happened there intermittently, that happened during the
Cotton Bowl and then during the postgame show as well,
And I would say that might have been what you
encountered with some satellite issues. I'm not one hundred percent
certain about that, but that's possible that it could be
that all right with long worn basketball. Texas, of course,

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has played two close games against the number two and
number one team in the country, but they didn't win
either game. And in the post game on Saturday against Tennessee,
I was talking about those two games, the five point
loss to Auburn, number two in the country, and the

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four point loss to number one Tennessee. Now Tennessee has
since dropped out of the number one spot after losing
to Florida a few nights prior to that, but it
was two close calls against two really good teams. First
time Texas had ever played number two in the country
number one in the country.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I'm back to back games, and in.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
The evaluation of it, I referred to it as a
gut punch, and then I stop myself. Talked about the
gut punch last year, and I said, I might be
feeling a little PTSD. I said from last night meeting
Friday night in Arlington with gut punches because of the
way it went down. Disappointment, yes, and trying to build

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off that going to Oklahoma. So Rodney Terry was asked
first and foremost on a couple of injury updates. We
knew on Saturday that Kenda Weaver was going to be
out and definitely. In fact, Rodney mentioned it on Longhorn Weekly,
which we recorded on Wednesday night and it aired on
Thursday night last week. Now we're back into a regular

(41:03):
Thursday night live six o'clock at Plucker's Mode, and so
this Thursday night at six o'clock will be live from
Pluckers at six o'clock the West Campus location at twenty
two twenty two Reo Grand And in the show on
last week, Rodney said, coming out of that Auburn game,
that's when Kenda Weaver hurt his hip area. It's like

(41:26):
a hip flexer thing, and they put an indefinite tag
on it because they don't know how long it could be.
Could be two weeks, three weeks depending. It's kind of
almost like that oblique thing. You just don't know. The
only thing that can heal it is rest and then
eventually some flexibility exercise things, and Warren Young the team

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trainer and Darby Rich the strength coach, they'll work with.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Him on that.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
But he's out and definitely, and then Tremont and Mark
got banged up, but came back into the ball game.
So the first question that went to Rodney Terry this
morning on the media zoom was how about updates on
Kendal Weaver and from my market, if they aren't able
to play against Oklahoma, how will this affect the rotation?

Speaker 7 (42:10):
Treymond was back to practice today and had a really
good practice for us today. So uh I wanted for
him to be pretty much for a tilt uh come
come Wednesday night.

Speaker 6 (42:20):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (42:20):
Ware did a great job with him, Uh yesterday in
the recovery and rehabit and all that good stuff. Kendall
Weaver will will not be available still. You know he's uh,
he's sustained an interest. It's gonna take a little time
uh to get him back. Uh you know, one hundred percent. Uh.
In regards to playing other young players, UH, I do

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like the way our young guys are practicing and competing.
Uh So, so there's always an opportunity uh for for
guys that suit up and dress for you know, on
every game day.

Speaker 6 (42:54):
Uh So you know there's.

Speaker 7 (42:56):
An opportunity I think at all times for all of
our guys.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
We expect all of our guys be ready to play.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Okay, next Rodney was asked what he's learned about his
team the way they were competitive and had opportunities to
win both games but did not win either game.

Speaker 6 (43:12):
Well, I think the thing that we talked about over
the last two games.

Speaker 7 (43:15):
You know, one, if you go back to the Tennessee game,
we really value taking.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
Care of the basketball really well.

Speaker 7 (43:20):
I mean, we had five turnovers in that game against
the number one defensive team in the country. And when
you're going into that game, they would they would do
a great job making it kind of a grind out
game where you had to value taking care of the
basketball and you had to have a physical mindset. Ray
Borders teams have always been good rebounding teams.

Speaker 6 (43:39):
When you're going into that game that we were.

Speaker 7 (43:41):
Gonna have to try to limit their second chance opportunities,
and in this league for that matter, over the course
of the three games, we've had to really try to
work harder trying to limit other teams second chance opportunities.
You know, just the physicality when that ball goes up
on the glass, that's when the game is on. It's
the game within the game, and I think that that's

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where we've kind of had our shortcomings a little bit
and given teams opportunities for second chance, But our guys
have you know, been excited about trying to get better
with it.

Speaker 6 (44:10):
I mean we worked. We worked almost every day that we.

Speaker 7 (44:13):
Have an opportunity to have a physical practice. We worked
really hard at trying to get better with our blockouts
and finishing possessions with physical blockouts. But that's that's been
the toughest part there. I thought we won the fifty
to fifty game against Tennessee.

Speaker 6 (44:26):
We were first to the floor.

Speaker 7 (44:28):
We played, you know, Texas competitive basketball in terms of
trying to.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
Win that part of the game.

Speaker 7 (44:34):
And I think we've improved in that area from day
from from the first game of Conference player.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
I thought Texas A and them got every fifty to
fifty ball at third place. And again, it's the game
within the game.

Speaker 7 (44:45):
It's the battles within the battle of the game that
really in games like this have really been the the
siding factor in the games.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
All Right, we're gonna hear some more from Rodney. We
need a break. When we come back. We'll hear some
more from Rodney Terry talking about this Texas team as
they get ready to leave tomorrow for Norman, Oklahoma, and
they have a nine o'clock tip off nine pm Central
time tip off from the Lloyd Noble Center against Oh You.
We'll hear more from Artie coming up on AM thirteen

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under the Zone.

Speaker 6 (45:22):
Back to the Craig Ways Show.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Connect with Craig through the text.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Line by text Team Texas to eight one three zero follow.
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Speaker 3 (45:34):
What the man was saying, with standard messaging and data
rates may apply.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
That's what he was saying. If you want to text
the program, always enjoy Have you text the program? So
that's cool, and uh, you know whatever you want to
hit us up with. I did open up say who
would you want to be if you're a Cowboys fan?

(45:59):
If you're not a Cowboys you probably don't need to
weigh in on that kind of thing, because that this
belongs to those long suffering Cowboys fans like Cameron Parker.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Cam. Let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
You you mentioned that when when last week, and it
was certainly understandable that Jerry Jones, when he refused to
grant the Bear's permission to interview Mike McCarthy. You said,
and you weren't the only one. Many many including myself, said, well,
that probably means that he's going to keep Mike McCarthy.

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And then you know, you have to remember Jerry. Jerry
exists on a totally different plane than us. You know,
he's kind of like to borrow from sign Forel Bizarro Jerry,
you know Bizarrow, Jerry duns. So every thought he was
going to keep Mike McCarthy's not going to keep Mike McCarthy.
Now at the time last week you said that means
I'm out again for all of twenty twenty five. So

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so I put it to you, Cameron Parker, Cameron Dallas
Parker does hit on the highre as to whether you're
back in on watching the Cowboys. So you know, if
it's if somebody you're not on board with, then then

(47:16):
you're not going to watch. Like who give me a name,
You give me a name, Who would you?

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Who would you? If it's Kellen Moore?

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah, I might just check in out of curiosity, But
I'm not going to be like all in reading every
single report in training camp to do that. Oh yeah, okay,
all right, Oh yeah, I mean I even did it
sometime this past summer, and then I kind of realized
during the summer with the futility, this is not gonna

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This team is not going to be very good. We're
talking about Ezekiel Elliott in training camp. So if it's
someone like Dion or Belichicks, somehow they pay that ten
million dollars buyout that one out of U n C,
and you know, we'll see how the off season goes.
But okay, Aaron Glenn depends on who his coordinator hires.
Are guys like Aaron Glenn. You know, it all depends

(48:08):
on who they hire as like the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Okay, okay, all right, all right, So anyway.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
But I don't I don't think Jerry's smart enough to
hire a coordinator like that. If it's Pete Carroll, I
think I would be interested in it. But also Pete
might just be past his prime.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Okay, that's interesting. That'll be interesting to see if that
indeed turns out. Hey, Sark and Austin, Pete and Pete
in Dallas. You know a lot of thinking, yeah, all
of that stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Let's hear a little more from Longhorn's head coach, Rodney
Terry talking to Texas Basketball. Okay, a few minutes ago,
we heard him talk about Kenda Weaver's gonna be out
for a while. It's and I can tell you it's
it's a hip flexor thing, is what they're saying. Or
you know, it's with that muscle there in the hip area.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Well, I have flucture issue, do you really?

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Yeah, it's sucks.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
I didn't know you had that.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Remember when I was out for him back because of
my head flexer?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah, there's the reason why Kenner weavers on crutches because yeah,
if you've hurt that thing, right my lord. Yeah, So
he's going to be out for a while. And Sark
was asked if he takes on a bigger leadership role
with regard to the team.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
Yeah, Kim is a big He's a big loss to
our team.

Speaker 7 (49:25):
You know, he's Uh, he's one of our toughest guys
on the team. He's a guy that hangs his hat
on make him win and plays for us uh throughout
the course of games. Uh and and plays with the
chip on his shoulder, you know, their entire time doing it.
You know, I've asked him to stay engaged with our team.

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Uh and see see the game through a coaches and
lins right now and try to help your players as
you as you see the game through a coaches lins
in terms of trying to help guys, seventy seven rebounds
went out the door.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
When when uh when when Kendall's not.

Speaker 7 (50:00):
Playing for us, That's what he had to this point
right now, and he's always one of those guys you
could count on that could give you some really impactful
and meaningful rebounds and key times you know, who can
emerge and do that for us? Right now, at this time,
I think we have a number of different guys that
are more than capable of doing it. They've they've got
to do it for us. Though, you know, Jason kenn

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has a great physical body. We need him to be
a guy that rebounds the basketball for us, and and uh,
you know, kind of takes up that slack a little bit.
We need our we need our big wings, we need
trademond marks rebound down for us. And when he traded,
come down and get some rebounds as well. You know.
You know, so those guys, I think, by committee, we

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know that we hold Art and and and Caten to
pretty high levels of of of trying to rebound for us.
A lot of times they're they're dealing with some of
the better rebounders, so they're they're really trying to hold
their blockout, so other guys that have opportunity to come
down and get rebounds.

Speaker 6 (50:57):
Our guards have got to come down to help us.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Rebounders will the thoughts from there on all the others
who have to pitch in. He was also asked how
does he make sure that his message, and it's not
just Rodney's message.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
If you've been around the team as.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
We have, you know that the entire coaching staff plays
a plays a part in this, plays a role in this.
Steve McClain and Byron Jones and Brandon Chappelle and obviously
Frank haith uh with with Darby rich the strength coach,
They're all kind of pitching in in terms of the
support of what they have for the players and instruction

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and inspiring them and all that sort of thing. But
Roddy was asked, how does he make sure that the
message does not get lost to the players and that
the guys stay on board despite the early stumbles and
conference play.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
Bob the the you know, our whole approach.

Speaker 7 (51:51):
Is always about trying to encourage I as to be
everyday guys, you know, And I think that starts with
the topic thoughts with about thelf. They see me coming
in and I'm down and I'm moping and I'm not
feeling great about what we're doing, then they're probably gonna
be the same way, you know. But I like to
pride myself and being the same guy whether I'm winning,
whether I'm losing. Okay, you're having a good day, you're

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having a bad day, I'm the same guy every day.
So I don't ever get too high. I'll never get
too low. And I strongly encourage him to be that
same way. And I'm a man of a lot of
strong faith. I know God's never brought me this far.

Speaker 6 (52:26):
It or not.

Speaker 7 (52:26):
Did I be with me through good times in bad times.
So you know, there's nothing you can't overcome. There's no
obstacles in life that you can't overcome that's put in
front of you if you have strong faith. And I
encourage our guys to have strong faith and.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
Live by that every day. Not just why you're here.

Speaker 7 (52:43):
Playing basketball at University of Texas. You're gonna have to
do it in life. There's gonna be a lot of
adversity coming your way in life.

Speaker 6 (52:50):
But if you have strong faith and.

Speaker 7 (52:51):
You're a believer, nothing you can't overcome and you can't
push through with.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
He was also asked that how much does that faith
get tested and how challenging it is right now with
so many injuries popping up and down from before the
season to early in the season to right now.

Speaker 7 (53:07):
Yeah, it's not easy, you know, but that's that's team sports,
and that's what that's why you have a team.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
You know, they're gonna be guys go down and.

Speaker 7 (53:15):
Next man mentality where the next guy has to try
to step up and be rented and ready to play.
And you know, all you want in life is an
opportunity and a lot of our young guys and even
guys that are that are playing, all you want is
an opportunity. So but I think you have to be
prepared for that opportunity when it presents itself as well,
so you seize the moment. But hasn't been easy, and

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I know, you know a lot of people deal with
in team sports. You have to deal with injuries. It's
all part of the game. It's all part of the sport.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (53:43):
I think it's how you continue to push forward and
stay the course and continue to try to keep your
team moving forward, you know, Uh, with the guys that
you do have available to play at a high level.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
All right, we'll hear some more from Rodney Terry coming
up next hour as well, but we we have some
more pro football notes to get to next when we
continue on AM thirteen under the Zone thirteen under his
own camera. That I was just talking during the break
because a cute little puppy dog in the uh in
the station today. I believe it belongs to Gizelle, our

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programming goddess, So I mean our promotions got us. So
she had a little pub cute little puppy in there.
You said, it brought back memories and when we were
Acrosstown and it was like a dog friendly.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Zonees good doggy daycare it was. There were all kinds
of dogs.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
There and then one of them took a dump in
the in the air study and that nobody even knows.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
It was on the corner.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Bucket got Bolt was over there and he's like, did
an entire morning show with with a pile of dog poop, right,
that had happened over the weekend, and he didn't notice
in the left. Later Chad Hastings came in to do his.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Show and noticed it afterwards, So Anyway, we hope you got.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Through the weekend.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Okay, As we mentioned, there's one other NFL game tonight,
Rams Vikings. There are those of us who are Rams
fans have a little PTSD even it comes to the Vikings.
They've met seven times in the playoffs, and the Vikings
have won five of the seven games. In fact, the
Rams have won I think their two wins are two

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of the last three, but maybe even I don't think
about it, just back to back. They won the year
they went to the Super Bowl in one I think, uh,
and then it was and then they won a few
years after that or something. Anyway that when I was
a kid growing up, they were just continually frustrated by

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those really good Viking teams that just could not get
over the hump at the Super Bowl. Our question on
the text line was with the announcement today that Mike
McCarthy's contract will not be renewed, and you could say
fired if you want to. That's that's okay. It's just
his contract expired. They're not renewing it. So call it
what you want, you know, whether firing or just not renewal,

(56:10):
non renewal, whatever the deal is. And Jerry Jones talked
about it and said it was weird. The one thing
that he said, Jerry's always good for saying something that
just hits different with you.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Here's the quote.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
He says, over the past week, Mike and I had
the opportunity to conduct a joint review of all aspects
of the past season, our players and staff, and also
spent considerable time discussing the road forward for the team.
These discussions were thorough and received an appropriate amount of
time and depth to cover. That's all well and good.
And then and then, and then.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
He said this, prior to reaching the point of contract negotiations,
though it became mutually clear that it would be better
for each of us to add in a different direction.
I'm not I'm not quite understanding it said they had
these real, thorough discussions, received an appropriate amount of time
and depth to cover, but prior to reaching the point

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of contract negotiations, it became.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Clear this isn't gonna work out. So I'm trying to
figure out.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Where where it shaded into that, where it went from
having these in depth discussions. I think we need to
do this, we need to do that. Yeah, I don't
even think we need to talk about contract.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
I mean, where where was the gray area? Where did it?
Where did it become a parent?

Speaker 1 (57:34):
He has been saying for days, as we know, going
on back to the end of the regular season, that
the hay was in the barn based on what he
was going to do and evaluating everything.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
So if the hay was in the barn, then why
wasn't Mike McCarthy let go right right after the Monday
morning after the Cowboys lost to whoever? Yeah? Yeah, it's
so backwards it doesn't even make any sense to me.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
I don't know how to explain it, and I don't
know if Jerry Jones knows how to explain it. And
I'm sure he'll Does he have a radio hit tomorrow
on one O five three or over the ask them
about it, and I guarantee you'll give a four minute
answer that'll have like four different jerryisms in it. Maybe
the moon will be mentioned into it, who knows. And

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it won't make any sense. It's just it's just Jerry's reasoning.
That's the way he thinks. And I don't know, correct.
I wish I had a better answer for you, But
I don't think there's any logic into what he's thinking,
because I don't understand why you just wouldn't move on
from him on Monday. And I don't know if, like
I guarantee you, he makes the move today, most teams
owners probably have a short list of coaches who they're

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looking at before the even fire they're head coach.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Right during the season.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
I guarantee you some of these owners have an idea, Okay,
these are the five coaches I'm looking at if we
do move on. Jerry's probably just doing that list right now.
He's like, all right, you know, is he still around now?

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Reportedly the Bears and Saints are interested in McCarthy. Of course,
the Bears had that request for permission to speak with
him denied. They don't have to ask permission anymore.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
So there on the text line, I offered up the question,
I said, you know, who, who would you prefer to
be the Cowboys head coach? And uh, one guy said,
you have to think about this now, any coach named Sean.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
So think about the Shawns that are out there. Peyton, McDermott, McVeigh, mcvayh.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
So there, so that's three Shawn's. I don't know if
there's any other se.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Uh yeah, so and if you say any coach with
him c in his name, well, that would include McCarthy
because you have McVeigh and you have.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Bills. Aren't firing McDermott. No, Rams are not moving away
from McVeigh. No, No, they're saying go after him, try
to get him. But you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
You can't do that, you know, it'd be tampering. You'd
have to be after the seasons over and wouldn't do that.
And Sean McVay would never go to Dallas, he would
never be the There's a better chance Lincoln Riley would
be the head coach and Sean McVay.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Yeah, there's a better chance McVay would just retire.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Yeah, he's talked about it a couple of times and
then he gets energized again by his group. The guy's
thirty nine or forty whatever. You know, who's our guy
in Miami McDaniels. Yeah, see anybody with him ceing their name, Well,
that would include McCarthy. Unfor you, McDaniels, who's in Green

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Bay on the floor the floor for now, that's all
that younger, that younger thing mm hm. You know it's
been really quiet, really quiet in San Francisco. There's been obviously,
you know, I know they've been very very disappointed without

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and they had a ton of injuries this year too,
but uh, how you know, it's it's been feast or
famine with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Uh, with Kyle Shanahan.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
It's either make the Super Bowl or completely missed the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
So it's been it's been weird in that respect.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
He's had them in the Super Bowl what three times,
twice against the Chiefs, and maybe that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Just twice, Yeah, once with Jimmy g and then once
with Brock perty Right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Jimmy G, by the way, did not look like a
super Bowl quarterback when he quarterback the Rams in that
season finale against the See's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
You know, he's not gonna be the next Sam Donald.
I don't see the next reclamation project. I don't see that.
I didn't see Sam Darnald doing what he's done. Though
it's been it's been quite uh quite a thing to
view to see him doing it. Somebody else said at
this point, Jerry Jones should just make himself head coach. Yeah,

(01:02:23):
he can kind of be the puppeteer without having to
be the head coach, though, that's he could argue was
the head coach. When Jason Garrett, yep, was the head coach,
he would be the funniest, the funniest higher Do you
think it would be Jason Garrett? If Jerry Jones announced
right now Jason Garrett's bring will that be the funniest outcome? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
I don't. Why would Jason Garrett ever want to come
back and work for him again? Money?

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Yeah, although I imagine he's pretty well compensated.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
NBC.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Yep, he says like five words on the broadcast because
they have a seven man halftime show. I am you
know that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Linda asked me the other day when I was talking
about that question that somebody asked me about if I
thought that the that quin Ewers was the most underappreciated
long one quarterback, And I said, at least going back
to Chris Simms.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
And then to ask me last time, she goes, what's
Chris Sims doing today? And I pointed to the television cities.
He's on Sunday Night football doing good. He does, he does,
He does a really good job.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
And I will say this, he liked Quen Yours was
always really nice, really.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Easy to deal with. Was friendly. Was was never never
an issue.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
And I you know, a typically cap obviously to the
media relations staff at Texas.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
John Bianco does a great job in Thomas Stepp.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
You know, they do a grace to fullaw do a
great job with football, and of course Scott McConnell with basketball.
You know, the splendid job with what they do with
the student athletes, not just in putting out cranking out
game notes and stuff like that, but working with those
guys so that they can give more than just you know,
the easy answer. They can be a little more thought

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provoking in the things they have to say. And and
they've done a good job with that. And Chris was
one of those guys. He was he was glib, he
was he was fun to visit with.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Cole was a guy that it took some cultivation for
a while his first year starting quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Cole will be the first today.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
It was kind of rough Monday press conferences because then
the players are coming afterwards, like to do now, and
it's it was a little difficult. It was very very short,
three and four word generic answers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
It just wouldn't wouldn't good.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Now. He's a big ten analyst about that this guy's
on YouTube podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Yeah, he's He's got a long, long way and I'm
very happy for him.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
I think I think we'll look back Craig on Quinn's legacy.
It'll get it'll get better. I mean, he's third in
at all time passing yards, in passing touchdowns. At UT
he won a conference championship, the same number of conference
championships won by Colton Vince Young, two playoff berths, two
playoff wins, got into the semi finals, and you know,

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I think you could argue he brought Texas back from
the dead, you know, a five win program, and in
a short amount of time took him back to the
playoff and back to back years.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
And here's how I feel about this, and I know
you agree about this part. He didn't do it all himself.
And he also when they had misfortune, didn't do all
of that himself. That's part of that quarterbacks getting you know,
too much credit for the wins and too much grief
for the losses. But he had a lot to do
with the elevation of the program, a lot to do

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with the elevation. Now in one of the things working
against him was one of the things working against Chris Sims.
There was another quarterback, although in a slightly different thing
because Sims came in after Major apple White was the
established starter. And then Major tour the the a c
L in the Y two K Cotton Bowl against Arkansas,

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and then that's when you know, uh, you know a
lot of the the uh. And that was coming off
of being the Big twelve offensive player of the year
and uh, but that's when Sims started playing more. And
then fans were choosing sides. And if you visit with
our friend Rod Babers, who's stepping in tomorrow, isn't he

(01:06:32):
Rod's coming into stepping travel So uh, Rod b will
be in here tomorrow about and Rod is very close
to Chris Sims.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
By the way.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
That Brotherhood of the Wood or whatever they call them,
the their their their agreement that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Those two guys and Bo Scafe and uh, there were
you know, anyway they'll he'll.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Talk about that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
And and and Kyle Shanahan, by the way, is one
of those guys, one of that five, that group of
five of those guys. But anyway, you know, there was
already that competition thing built in here. There was no competition.
Quinn Ewers was the established starter. He was the starting
quarterback of this football team. But there was so much
anticipation about Arch and his eventual time coming that it

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shaped a lot of folks opinions about Quinn good or
bad based on the fact that Arch is waiting in
the wings.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
You don't worry about that anymore now, those who were.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
All about wanting Arch to take the preponderance of the snaps,
you're gonna get your wish coming up. And I think
he could be great for Texas. But by the same token,
I think it would be unfair not to credit Quinn
Ewers with everything he did with this offense and with
this program while he was here. All Right, we're gonna

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hear more from Rodney Terry coming up when we continue
on AM thirteen under the Zone. We continue on Monday

(01:08:17):
here on a thirteen hunderd the Zone. And somebody asked
me about could you repeat what you said about the
night before last and talk about the Tennessee game. Well,
we've heard Rodney Terry pretty much address a lot of that,
and we're going to do some more of that here.

(01:08:38):
And this was from the media zoom from this morning
where he recapped the Tennessee and Auburn game and a
look ahead to Oklahoma. So the next question for him
was you hear our team talk about we got to
play our a game against really good teams, have to
do that, and they've shown flashes of it. So USh

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for him was how close is this team to playing
what he classifies as an a game?

Speaker 7 (01:09:07):
Man?

Speaker 6 (01:09:07):
You know what I think?

Speaker 7 (01:09:10):
You know, you get better sometimes and losses, you know,
and you don't have the results to show for it.
You know, we play a really good I mean, we
play a really good Auburn team, a team I think
that have the chance to, you know, be a Final
four type team, a team that could win the whole thing.
And they're good enough to win the whole thing. You know,
do you come back and you play the team that's
been ranked number one and underfe a big part of

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the season, who prized themselves in being a physical team
that plays really good defense and rebound, and you know,
give or take the game within the game and the
battles within the battles of the game, the games in
the battles, and it's the winnable.

Speaker 6 (01:09:48):
Games for you.

Speaker 7 (01:09:48):
So you know, you know, you use those addedge sometimes
getting close you can't keep saying you're close. You just
got to keep working the process, you know. And I
think I think our guys again had great attitude. Have
we been disappointed we're coming up short against really good teams,
we have, but they've come back and like today, they

(01:10:09):
came back with really good energy and had a really
physical practice today and really competed with each other and
hold each other accountable at a very high level.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
It does also kind of remind me of something Vick
Schaefer said, I think in the press conference after the
loss of South Carolina yesterday about against a team like that,
you have to play really really well and throw the
first punch in South Carolina through the first punch, and
he said, and the second and the third, you know,
that sort of thing. But against a really really good

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team that you're measuring yourself against. And both the men's
and women's basketball teams have played the number two team
in the country in the same week or within one
week's time, and both came up short. Ben lost by
five dollar and the women were beating soundly by really
good South Carolina team, which even though UCLA is still

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the number one team in the country, and they had
their game postponed against Northwestern because the fires in southern California.
I've watched UCLA play this year. I don't think they're
as good as South Carolina. And I also trust the
words of a long time basketball person in the basketball

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world who was an outstanding player in high school, in
college and won a state championship as a high school coach,
and it was a great assistant coach for many many
years at the collegiate level. And that's my broadcast partner,
Kathy Harston, and Kathy said in the first five minutes
of the game at the first media timeout, she said,

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it didn't take me long to see this is by
far the best team we've seen this year. And they
played some pretty decent teams, including Notre Dame on the road,
but she said by far, and you could tell it
at the depth of the roster. Their leading scores are
not their starters. By the way, they have a whole
bunch of players at average eight, nine, ten, eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
They have a bunch of players who do that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
So the point is get you really have to be
playing your a game and at the top of your
game in order to have a shot to beat a
team like that, and That's what Rodney Terry was starting
to Dave. He's also asked if he's had to alter
his practice routine and how hard they work physically because
of all the injuries.

Speaker 7 (01:12:28):
Yeah, no, Josh, you definitely had to, right, you run
across your mind because you need you guys in games.

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
I mean, obviously, we know we we get better.

Speaker 7 (01:12:34):
In practice, and I think our practice habits are our
game habits, you know. Uh, And we try to go
hard every day in practice so we can go hard
in games. I think there's certain things at certain times
that that you know, like today, I want to do
a lose ball drill, you know, and you know Jason Kent,
you know, has a major risk you know situation.

Speaker 6 (01:12:55):
No, probably not gonna be able to do that lose
ball drill.

Speaker 7 (01:12:57):
I kind of wanted to do it, but I felt
like we did a pretty good job of the battle
and within the ballot being first to the floor the
other day against the physical team, So I chose not
to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:13:06):
We put the bubble up to day though.

Speaker 7 (01:13:08):
We got to continue to try to fix what we
have to fix in terms of our rebounding and having
a physical mindset to make sure we hit first and
try to hold our blockouts and have guys come.

Speaker 6 (01:13:19):
Down and rebound.

Speaker 7 (01:13:20):
So you know, you got to kind of pick and
choose where you think you could try to continue to
get better and things we need to fix.

Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
And that's an area that we know we need to
fix and something.

Speaker 7 (01:13:29):
We feel like collectively as a team and as a staff,
we continue to work at it, we can continue to
get better with it. We've gotten better. We've just played
some really good teams that done a great job, you know,
going to that glass. Just like I mean, we'll play
another really good team in Oklahoma. This is probably Porter's
best team at Oklahoma, you know, and they do a great.

Speaker 6 (01:13:49):
Job attacking the glass as well. This whole league attacks
the glass.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Yeah, that goes without saying it certainly does. So you know,
this is another question, and correct me if I'm wrong,
But I think I remember this camp that during the
all the fault camp workouts, people kept asking the l
question leadership, leadership, who's the team leader, who are the leaders,

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blah blah blah. And that's been happening a lot with
the basketball team lately, asking who has been stepping up
as the leader, if there's one specific person in the
locker room.

Speaker 6 (01:14:25):
Yeah, you know, I think we have a collection of
older guys.

Speaker 7 (01:14:28):
You know, some guys again that a new drive situation,
new to each other, but they've got a chance for
a short amount of time, they spend a lot of
time with each other, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:14:38):
I think again I've said it from.

Speaker 7 (01:14:39):
All the Loan Holt season alone, I think this group
really likes each other. I think they really try to
compete to try to make each other better, and I
think they're getting better at holding each other accountable, especially
in moments throughout the court of the game. In terms
of trying to stay connected in that suplinter, I think
Cayden Cedric has tried really hard over the course of

(01:15:00):
the uh, the entire season of trying to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
You know, he's, uh, he's.

Speaker 7 (01:15:05):
Quietly played uh, some pretty good physical basketball, you know,
over the course of uh this season. He's getting guys
that he's having to deal with, especially over the last
three games that are that are real games. I mean,
when he when he comes out of the game, well
he's finished playing a game, He's he's pretty beat up
the next day. In terms of the physicality. It's a

(01:15:25):
physical game. But I think he's really tried to do
it by example and and as well as trying to
be a vocal guy, I've challenged some other older players
to do that and understand the urgency that you have
to play with this time of year, knowing that you know,
this is really your last year of collegiate basketball, and uh,
you know, the memories you're making and the opportunities you have,

(01:15:47):
you only get this one time here. You got to
try to to always tell our guys try to have
no regrets, you know, but I would I would say, uh,
between Kayt and Cedric, I've challenged ought to be to
be a guy that does one that regards I think
from day one, I've challenged Junior Larry to trying to
be that be one of those kind of guys as well.

(01:16:07):
They're again older players, Jason Kint, you know, to name
a few in terms of older players, you know, I
think I think Jordan Pope's done a pretty good job
of it as well. He's not as vocal as I
would like for him to be, but I think his
play and how hard he's trying to he's playing harder
than he's ever played in his life defensively, so you know,

(01:16:31):
he's making a lot of strides in that area as well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
All right, there's some from Rtie. I have a little
more from Rodney Terry coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
I got about getting ready for this matchup with Oklahoma'
got some other topics we'll get to as well when
we continue on AM thirteen.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Under the Zone, it's the craig Way Show with the
Voice of the Texas Longhorns and Hall of Fame broadcast
there Craig Way, whether.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
It's supposed to warm up, we get to the week progressing,
and then maybe some rain h that the there was
another I brought this up last hour, this thing about
all of the the arrangements that had been made to

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move that playoff game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
From so far to Arizona, and the other side of that,
you know, Sean.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
McVay had his getting his team ready to go and
all this other kind of stuff. The this change in
venue is almost unprecedented. And and that's funny, it says
according to ESPN Research, which is just looking it up

(01:18:00):
really at Pro Football Reference dot com or something like that,
I knew this only because of my weird mind. The
way it works, this will be the second time the
second playoff game in NFL history that is not played
at a team's home stadium, excluding Super Bowls.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
The one other time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
That I knew about this, or one other time this
has happened was the nineteen thirty six NFL Championship game
between the Green Bay Packers and the Boston Redskins.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Now, this was before they moved to Washington.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
And there's a history lesson for you, by the way,
if you're wondering about how did Washington ever come to
use that term Redskins, it was originally the NFL franchise
was in Boston. They took the name Redskins after the
historic event the Boston Tea Party in December of seventeen
seventy three, when they had a lot of Patriots disguised

(01:19:10):
as Native Americans, and we know the history story about
them breaking open the chests of English tea to protest
the taxation on the tee and dumping it into the
Boston Harbor. They called it the Boston Tea Party. Well
that's the reason why they were called the Boston Redskins.
And then the franchise would move after nineteen thirty six
to Washington in nineteen thirty seven, and they won the

(01:19:31):
NFL title in their first year in DC. But in
thirty six they were still the Boston Redskins, and they
were supposed to play at Fenway Park, and the ticket
sales were so bad that George Preston Marshall, the owner
of the team, said, we're not going to do this here.
You guys don't want to see the game here. Fine,

(01:19:53):
we'll move it to the Polo Grounds in New York.
So they moved to game to New York, and then
a few days after the game, the franchise was moved
to Washington. So it made me think about that because sometimes,
you know, I was joking about this with Linda the

(01:20:13):
other day. I was trying to remember something and it
popped out of my mind, and I said, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
I can tell you that in nineteen forty three, the
New York Yankees beat the Saint Louis Cardinals four games
to win and win the World Series, but I can't
remember blah blah blah. I said, For example, I knew
that in nineteen thirty six they played that game of
the Polo Grants. I know that in nineteen thirty three
it was the first time they used divisions East and
West and the Bears played the Giants in the NFL

(01:20:40):
Championship and the Bears won the first one. That was
the first championship game that was played prior to that
was just who ever had the best record at the
end of the season. And there's weird how your mind works,
how you'll remember some things, but trying to remember what
I had for dinner last night, or you know, where's
the last play, the last the last time I gashed

(01:21:00):
up the car, those things don't resonate with you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
So anyway, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
They also because the fires, they said they can use
they would be able to use so Fi Stadium as
a as a shelter if they had to by moving
the football game. And so there's still going to see
you on how that ultimately goes. Somebody again to the

(01:21:31):
text who asked about not being able to hear us
on the radio, I'll repeat it to you because already
said this. This was because of there were satellite interference issues.
That's what we were told. That's why it wasn't It
wasn't anything to do with our radio station, because apparently
it happened in Houston and Dallas as well. So I
hope that answers your question because I know You've asked

(01:21:51):
it a couple of times, so I just want you
to know that was that was the reasoning behind it,
all right. A couple of other things from Rodney Terry.
He was asked about what he thought was the biggest
difference in what he has seen so far. We play
in the Southeastern Conference versus play in the Big Twelve.

Speaker 6 (01:22:08):
Oh, this is a super duper physical league.

Speaker 7 (01:22:10):
You know. In the Big Twelve, you know, you probably
have a Houston that you could throw in there, maybe
in our state, and you can throw into that match
to kind of physicality that we've had over the last
three games.

Speaker 6 (01:22:22):
I mean, we've had some slug fests. Three teams we played.

Speaker 7 (01:22:25):
I mean, they they gonna they throwing some helpmakers at
you in terms of the bodies that they can throw
at you. You know, the thing about this league, you know,
you got older bodies that are that are crashing in
the bodies on a regular basis, and you've got to
be the wish stand that that Maine, you gotta be
the main You got to match that physicality, you know.
And for us first three games, it's been physical teams,

(01:22:47):
you know, and I think the game we played Oklahoma,
you got another. You got the best offensive rebound in
the league and got one. So you talk about another
physical player that has a great body. He's been in school,
I don't know, four or five years. That's the thing
about he's got He's a grown men right now. So
these are not young boys we compete against right now.

Speaker 6 (01:23:06):
But this league is a physical league. They let us
play on both ends of the floor.

Speaker 7 (01:23:11):
And you know, you have to just have that, and
you got to have that mindset, you know, And I
think you know, as we continue to navigate through this league,
you have to try to recruit to that. You know,
there's a lot of teams that recruited to that. Now,
understand what this league is about in that regards, you
better have some you better have some grown men.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
You know that the guy he was talking about, Sam Godwin,
the post player for Oklahoma. Uh, it's pretty interesting to
hear him bring him up and said, I don't know
how long he's been here, four or five years or
whatever he was talking about. He said, I don't I

(01:23:51):
don't know how long he's he's been here four or
five years. Uh, talking about it. I can remember when
Godwin was playing for see this is what I was
talking about. You remember one thing that trying to remember.
Wafford was who I was trying to think of. He
was the center for Wafford when they played in the

(01:24:16):
Southern Conference championship game against East Tennessee State. This was
twenty twenty. This was five years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
The reason why I know this is that I broadcast
that game for Westwood One. Southern Conference basketball championship game
was in Asheville. I did it for Westwood One, and
East Tennessee State won, and that got their coach the
wake Forest Steve Forbes, the head coach now at wake Forest.

(01:24:46):
I got him the waite Forest job, and I flew
the next day to Kansas City. And the day after that,
the Big Twelve Tournament was shut down because of the pandemic.
So the last basketball game I did for a long time,
several months, was that Southern Conference Tournament championship. And Sam

(01:25:11):
Godwin was the center for Wafford in that game. That
was five years ago, and he's still playing playing for
the Oklahoma Sooners. So he's he's at the very least
a sixty year senior because that was five years ago
to played, so at the very least it's his sixt year,
if not more than that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Rodney was also.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Asked about the toll that playing these games can take
on a basketball team and on a coaching staff as well.

Speaker 7 (01:25:41):
Yeah, Cory, I mean we talked to that guys all
the time about this whole month of January. It's about
the grind.

Speaker 6 (01:25:48):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:25:49):
You start conference playing, you start playing teams, you got
a body of work right now where people know, we
know what they're gonna do, they know what we're gonna do.

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
Now it's gonna get down to who's gonna.

Speaker 7 (01:25:59):
Put who's will on who for forty minutes, you know,
and and you know, and persevere through adversity of the game.
You know, the game for forty minutes. And so that's
kind of what it gets down to right now. I
think a lot of times, you know, it's the mental
o the physical, you know. I think it's the psychic

(01:26:19):
of your team that you've got to continue to.

Speaker 6 (01:26:21):
Work with every day, you know. I like where our.

Speaker 7 (01:26:24):
Team is right now, I mean we we've obviously haven't
got the results we wanted to this point right now.
And any time you don't have those kind of results,
I think obviously you're you're disappointed, you know, in terms.

Speaker 6 (01:26:37):
Of of not.

Speaker 7 (01:26:39):
Not being able to close it out and finish it out.
But but I think their attitudes and their approach hasn't
changed coming to practice. We don't have anybody moping in practice,
soone not coming in practice giving it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:50):
They're all and trying to get better and trying.

Speaker 7 (01:26:52):
To fix the things that we have to try to fix,
which for us has been been glaring the second chance opportunities.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Yeah there, it is got to be able to take
advantage of those things.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
We'll be back to wrap up today's edition of the
program here on AM thirteen under the Zone.
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