TJ Cox Teaches Us What Fraud Means

Episode Transcript

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Last week, I was talking aboutRFK Junior a little bit and joking about
how he had a couple of differentthings he talked about, especially with regards
to abortion. That showed the thingthat I sort of suspected about him all
along, which is that at theend of the day, he's a Kennedy,

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He's a liberal, and the rightwing dalliance with him is just a
little silly. There's a selfish thingI think on the right to think that,
well, if RFK is a seriousthird party candidate and can actually seriously
cipher votes, he can actually seriouslycollect a significant number of votes, then

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he could actually cause Joe Biden tolose because maybe he pulls more votes away
from Biden than he does from DonaldTrump. And I've encountered a couple of
different conservatives who I know know decidedeclaring that they they were going to support
RFK Junior his presidential campaign, andthen just the other shoes start dropping.

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Oh, RFK had a literal brainworm. He had a medical some kind
of medical event or something that hehad a an actual worm in his brain.
RFK Junior stakes out the most extremeposition on abortion possible. Uh.
One thing I saw that was funny, was you know, all the American

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people want is just someone normal tovote for. And then I see this
campaign ad whin a day, thiscampaign add that, the RFK Junior campaign
spinning out whin a win A dayof falconry with RFK Junior. Hang out
with RFK Junior and his falcon andlearn about falconry. Yeah, just you

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know, this is how a Kennedytries to relate to the little people.
Falconry. It's like when John Careytried to show he was one of the
little people by windsurfing. You know, a sport that only the wealthiest point
one percent of human beings participate in. You know, the sort of sport

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you can only do when you marrythe heiress of the Hines catch up fortune.
But one of the things I wassort of saying about RFK Junior was
I just don't think people are asanimated by the central thing that made RFK

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Junior notable in the first place,which is his broad based skepticism for vaccines
in general and for the COVID vaccinein particular. And on that score,
he really stands out from both Bidenand Trump. Trump sort of it's almost

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sort of sad how Trump is sortof hanging out there like sort of wishing
he had actually gotten credit for ProjectWarp Speed and getting the COVID vaccines you
know, funded and researched and developedand ready to go in such a short
amount of time. He sort ofhe sort of has the perspective of,
Hey, my administration got this done. How come I don't get any credit

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for this? You would like toget credit for it. Biden is obviously
very pro vaccine. RFK sort ofstands out as the one guy who is
anti COVID vaccine. But frankly,COVID is just not a big political thing
anymore. It was a moment,it happened, and it's done. And

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I was saying this of Kennedy theother day, and a part of me
sort of felt a little guilty.Not that I want to keep dwelling on
the topic of COVID, I mean, nobody does. It was a very
unpleasant topic in an unpleasant time,and it's not, you know, something

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I relish. I feel guilty becausethere's a sense that we got had in
a variety of different respects, andthat the people who had us, none
of them have gotten held accountable.For all the different deceptive thing, all

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these massive inconveniences that they put usthrough that we're now sort of seeing in
retrospect, were completely full of it. So one of the things that's been
in the news that National Review reportedon was a closed door congressional testimony by
doctor Francis Collins, who's the formerdirector of the National Institutes of Health.

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And for all the inks spilled aboutAnthony Fauci, Francis Collins was just at
as central to the federal government's COVIDresponse and messaging and all kinds of stuff
like that, He's actually Anthony Fauci'sboss. He was Anthony Fauci's boss.

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That was the thing people didn't getabout Fauci. His job was not being
America's doctor or anything like that.Fauci's job was he was a federal bureaucrat.
He was a federal bureaucrat who oversawa division of the National Institutes of
Health whose chief job was ordering anddirecting federal grant money towards infectious disease research

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of various kinds. That was Fauci'sactual job, and doctor Collins' job,
as being one click about Fauci wasbeyond just infectious disease research more broadly,
overseeing the National Institutes of Health andwhat does the National Institutes of Health do?
They give out federal grant money forresearch, that's all they do now.

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Collins and Fauci, both though,were central in crafting a lot of
the federal guidelines, recommendations, etcetera for how to deal with COVID that
we're introduced by the CDC. Youknow, two weeks to stop the spread,
social distance, the concept of socialdistancing, masking, all this stuff

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that we're one by one, we'resort of seeing all these different things that
everyone insisted we had to do inresponse to COVID, which caused massive disruptions
to the economy, massive political disruption. Frankly, I think if COVID doesn't
happen, Donald Trump probably wins thetwenty twenty election. All this massive disruption

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where piece by piece we're sort ofseeing how wrong they were. The COVID
vaccine was not, as it washeralded, this perfect preventative measure. In
fact, it didn't really very effectivelystop the spread of COVID. It seemed

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to help prevent a severe case ofCOVID, but once we realized it didn't
really stop COVID from spreading. Thatundercut all the logic from vaccine mandates.
If it just becomes individual's decisions.Okay, well, if I take the
COVID vaccine and eliminates my risk fora very serious illness. But am I

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in a category of persons for whomCOVID would be a very serious illness?
I always I sort of took theperspective for me that most of the people
dying from COVID actually or getting verysick from COVID either had some pre existing
condition or they were very elderly.And my thought was, you know,

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I was a lot younger than Iwas, you know, thirty one years
old during COVID. I was avery healthy thirty one year old. So
I thought, well, I amI'm a skinny thirty one year old.
The odds of me getting very sickfrom COVID or dying from COVID are incredibly
slim. So I don't really wantto get vaccinated. You know, if

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I were seventy, maybe, andespecially if it's not going to prevent me
from spreading COVID to other people,then I don't really want to do it.
I just never got to a pointwhere I felt in my life I
actually needed to do it, orI was ever in a category of job
where I was mandated to do it, or anything anyway, Francis Collins.

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So all these different sort of pillarsof their ideology, masking the effectiveness of
the COVID vaccine, this, allof these have been knocked down lately,
And I think the frustration is,are none of these people going to be
held accountable for all the disruption theywrought upon the economy, upon people's personal

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lives, The huge increases we sawin depression rates, especially among children and
teenagers, the huge learning loss thatwas occasioned by these liberal bureaucrats who imposed
these crazy health guide these insane healthguidelines that weren't really grounded in fact,

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and the threat it poses for thefuture that if some left wing health bureaucrat
declares another kind of health emergency,will a Democrat controlled government. I mean,

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they were able to do this witha Republican controlled government. Presumably another
Republican controlled government won't do this again. But although I don't know, Trump
has expressed very little. Trump neverapologizes for anything. Trump never expresses regret
over anything. The idea that somehealth commissar will just snap his fingers and
all of a sudden, the wholecountry will be in lockdown again. That's

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a scary thing to think that youhad a whole wing of American political life
openly just saying we should be governedby scientists. We should be governed by
these infectious disease experts, and whatthey say we should do completely without any

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regard to competing interests, without anyregard to competing economic or social sacrifices that
come about as a result of this. So anyway, Francis Collins was interviewed
by members of the House of Representativesand it emerged from his closed door testimony

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that there was actually no scientific backingfor the six foot social distancing rule,
no scientific backing for it. Therewas never any research in favor of it.
There was a two meter rule thatsome European researchers had and the Americans

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just kind of copied it, butthere wasn't any scientific backing for it.
Let's remember that churches, theaters,all kinds of entities were closed down for
years because of that rule, becausehow do you keep people socially distanced in

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a church? How do you keeppeople socially distanced in you know, whatever
said it, and the impact thathad, particularly on churches. I mean,
I look around, you know,I go to Sunday morning Mass at
my church and it's packed. Imean, I go to the main Mass,

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it's packed, it's walled wall andI think, boy, during COVID,
even when we were allowed to beinside, half these pews were empty.
So just half of everyone didn't getto go to church half the and
so many churches, their attendance numberspost COVID still haven't caught up to what

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they were pre COVID, and possiblynever will. COVID I think was this
huge event, a sort of hugeconvenient event, allowing people to stop going
to church. And as much asI was sort of ragging on RFK by

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sort of saying, yeah, youknow, yeah, RFK, oh,
the anti vaccine crusade, Yes,that's you know, I just don't think
that message is really revving the enginesof a lot of voters anymore. There's
part of me that sort of feelsguilty for saying that. Not that I
would ever vote for RFK in amillion billion years. Again, he's still
at Kennedy, but I feel guiltyfor sort of saying like, we shouldn't

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forget what these people did, andwe should hold these people accountable for what
they did. And I'm afraid wewill never actually hold any of them accountable
in any way, shape or formwhatsoever. I'm afraid that Anthony Fauci and

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Francis Collins, in spite of FrancisCollins giving this congressional test, only saying
oh, yeah, there was nothing. You know, we had absolutely no
scientific evidence for the socially distanced sixfoot rule. There was nothing. I'm
just afraid that these people are goingto get to ride off into the sunset
with their nice, big fat federalpensions and just you know, no consequences.

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Half of American political life just thinkingthey were heroes, continuing to pretend
like they were heroes. It justfrustrates me that they're probably not going to
get any We're not really going toget any come uppance for these people,

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that they're not going to be heldaccountable. And I sort of wish that
were more of a central point ofthe presidential debates, but I don't think
Trump. I think Trump realizes peopleare tired of talking about it, and
so he's not talking about it.When we return, I try to list
out all the things that were allegedlytrue about COVID that are now no longer

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true. Next on the John GirardiShow, Francis Collins, the former head
of the National Institutes of Health,had closed door testimony in front of Congress
this past week in which he admittedthat the six feet or more guideline that
he did not issue, but theCenters for Disease Control did issue, that

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there was no actual scientific evidence thathe can remember actually supporting it. And
this is a huge admission. Andlet me just recall to you what a
huge thing this is. So thesix foot thing, the six foot thing

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was the reason for all of theregulations that wound up shutting down businesses,
shutting down schools, limiting people's normalinteractions, infringing at certain points on the
free exercise of religion, shutting downchurches. That's that was the cornerstone of

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it. Was this six foot ruleand the impossibility of complying with it in
a movie theater, in a church, in a business with normal operations.
It was the key thing. Ina school. It was the key thing
that disrupted the economy over the courseof twenty twenty, twenty twenty one,

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twenty twenty two. That was themain thing disrupting the whole economy was this
six foot rule from the CDC.Six feet rule comes from the CDC,
that filters its way to all fiftystate health departments and becomes the basis for
all the government restrictions. And weget a shrug from Francis Collins, the

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head of the National Institutes of Health, one of the key figures and helping
develop and message and promote all thesedifferent federal policies. We just get kind
of a shrug sort of oh yeah, I can't really actually remember that there
was any actual firm like scientific evidencefor the six foot eh, you know

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it. It was this huge thingthat this is. It's like, this
is basically and it's almost an admissionthat everything we did during twenty twenty was
pointless, that it wasn't necessary.Would we have been any worse off if

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we had just you know, hey, everybody just be more careful, wash
your hands more blah blah blah.I mean, would we have actually been
any worse off? Would the numbersof people who died from COVID actually have
changed much if given that the sixfoot rule wasn't really that effective, would

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or at the very least, itwasn't grounded any science. I mean,
it's impossible to argue from a negative. I guess we don't know. We
don't have a way of showing thatanything would have been better or worse,
or that the change would have beennegligible, or or what the death toll
over the norm would have been overexcess would have been. But we It's

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yet another thing where this was sortof proposed to us as orthodoxy and now
it's not necessarily true. The sixfoot rule, the fact that you could
still spread COVID after getting vaccinated,the whole origin of COVID argument, and

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the labily theory, the lab leaktheory which everyone everyone in the healthcare establishment,
Fauci Collins at all were saying,No, no, no, that's
that's a horrible conspiracy theory. Don'tyou dare spread this horrible conspiracy theory.
Hey, Facebook, shut down anyonewho's saying this horrible conspiracy theory that that
COVID leaked from a lab. Well, it could very damn well have leaked

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from a lab. But we haveno idea. But we don't, We
don't embarrass ourselves because we were givinggrant money to that research lab, from
which it could very well have leakedthe piece about it in National Review.
The editorial about it written in NationalReviews sort of sums it up really well.

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Restricting the liberties and marring the settledpatterns of life for a nation of
over three hundred million based on guessesand shrugs is simply unacceptable. And I
think this is the problem. Ifeel like I'm a little bit like I

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wasn't, you know, I didn'twake up this morning thinking I'm gonna talk
about COVID on the radio show today, Like I'm not as jazzed up to
talk about COVID anymore. I thinkeveryone in America is tired of thinking about
COVID and very much enjoys living ina non COVID infected political world. Like

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to have COVID not be dominating everyone'sindividual conversations and political conversations, not to
have it be a political issue anymore, is a delight for most Americans.
But I just have this sense thatthese people got away with it. They
got away with this ridiculous, disastrousresponse that had massive, prolonged political,

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fiscal, social, religious, everythingimpacts on the whole country, and no
one is going to be held accountable. Really, at the end of the
day, none of these people aregetting held accountable for what they did.
When we return, former Fresno areaSan Waquin Valley congress Member TJ. Cox

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takes a plea deal, I willdescribe what is different between his case versus
a Donald Trump's case. What isfraud? Next? On the John Girardi
Show. I find it bizarre theTrump trial. It sort of doesn't feel

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like to me. It has thekind of wall to wall coverage you would
expect of the first criminal trial ofa former American president in like ever or
I don't know ever, but certainlyof the last one hundred years. And
I guess part of it is probablybecause the judge didn't allow the trial to

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be televised, which probably is agood idea. But I just feel like
the coverage of the oj trial backwhen I was a kid was like way
more intensive. Again, though thatwas televised. Nonetheless, the lack of
coverage of the Trump trial I thinkhas masked what a massively unfair trial it

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has been for Trump. And beforeyou start saying, oh, you'res a
right wing radio guy, just youknow, shilling for Trump. If you
look at all of my discussion ofTrump's legal affairs, let's say, I
think I've been pretty fair. Ithink I've called balls and strikes. I

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think that the cases against him inGeorgia, framing that as a Rico case,
I think is kind of weak.I don't think there was an ongoing
criminal enterprise there of the sort thatRico in visions or a Rico case is
looking at something like this, atsomething like the mafia, an ongoing,
enduring criminal enterprise that's intended to goon for a long time once the election

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was over. There was no ongoingenterprise of any sort in Georgia. So
I think a lot of aspects ofthe Rico case and Georgia were silly.
I think a lot of the Januarysixth charges were kind of a big stretch
to call those things that Trump wasactually charged with and was Remember Trump wasn't

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actually charged with anything having to dowith the violence on January sixth. He
was charged with basically his arguing toMike Pence and trying to convince Mike Pence
not to certify the election results onJanuary sixth. That's chiefly the thing he
is being charged with at that substructionof that substruction of Congress, or it's

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some other kind of offense there whenTrump was pursuing a minority legal viewpoint.
Maybe it was incorrect, It's probablyincorrect, But I guess I find it
hard to suss out that that wasa criminal offense. You might think it's
bad, you might think it's wrong, you might think it's corrupt, you
might think it's a misinterpretation of whatthe law is. I just don't know

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that it gets to the level ofan actual criminal offense. Now, though,
with the Mara Lago documents case,I think they've got him more or
less dead to rights. I thinkhe clearly retained a bunch of documents he
was not allowed to hold on to, and he was retaining them in an
incredibly irresponsible fashion. So I actuallythink they he's more or less they've got

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him more or less dead to rightswith regards to the retention of documents that
he wasn't allowed to keep holding onto. Yes, he was allowed to
hold on to them as president.No, there doesn't seem to be any
actual record that he declassified those documents, and even if he did, they
were dangerous. They were sensitive materialsthat jeopardized national security to just have in

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an unsecure place, and might haveviolated federal law anyway, even if he
had declassified them. Now, onething that at least politically is in Trump's
favor for the document's case is thefact that Biden did the same damn thing
and that Hillary Clinton did a verysimilar thing, and neither of them are

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in any trouble, but he,for some reason, is getting a federal
prosecution for it. So I feellike I've called balls and strikes with President
Trump. And one of the thingswith this Manhattan trial that has been so
there's a lot of things about theManhattan trial that have been ridiculous. I

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think, though, the central thingis understanding what Trump's been charged with.
And I've discussed this on the showa number of times. Trump isn't being
charged urged in Manhattan with hush moneypayments. That's not a criminal offense.
Giving someone, having someone sign anon disclosure agreement, and giving them money

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for that non disclosure agreement. Thatis not against the law. Maybe in
certain contexts, for certain kinds ofthings, it might be against the law,
But in the context of what Trumpwas doing with Stormy Daniels, giving
her money to not talk about anaffair they allegedly had. That's not illegal.

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It might be sleazy, it mightbe distasteful, but it's not illegal.
The thing Trump is actually charged withis allegedly fraudulent misstatement in his books

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of the nature of the payment,Fraudulent business records practices, Okay, falsification
of business records with intent to defraud. That's the actual thing in the New
York Penal Code that Trump is chargedwith, basically within the books of the
Trump organization listing these payments which weremade to Michael Cohen. So again,

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here's here's the chain of events.Stormy Daniels signs a non disclosure agreement during
the fall of twenty sixteen, signsa non disclosure agreement that she's not going
to tell her story. Michael Cohenhas to get money to pay. I
believe it was the National Inquirer whothen paid Stormy Daniels. Trump needs to

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pay Michael Cohen. So Trump givesCohen a series of payments to pay him
back for outlaying this one hundred andthirty thousand dollars that went to Stormy Daniels
but Trump was giving him other moneies. Cohen was Trump's ongoing attorney for various

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personal affairs. He was helping outwith other things. He wanted a bonus
because he for you know, allthe work he had done, and he
wanted more money. Cohen was atthis time again, we're in twenty seventeen.
Trump has won the election, He'sin the White House. Trump was
bummed that apparently he wasn't going toget some kind of role within the administration.
He had these sort of grandiose dreamsthat apparently he'd be like White House

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counsel or that he'd be attorney general, or that he'd be chief of staff
or something, which shows kind ofwhat a lunatic Cohen was. So Trump
gives him way more than the onehundred and thirty thousand dollars he paid Stormy
Daniels. Now, part of thiswas they were going to classify this as
attorney's fees, and if Cohen isreceiving moneies at attorney's fees, he has

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to pay taxes on that. Ifhe receiving money as loan repayment, he
doesn't have to pay taxes for it. And that's the core of the prosecution.
It's characterizing the payments to Cohen asattorney's fees rather than loan repayment.

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That's the crime. That's the crimeputting in his books indicating that the payments
were attorneys fees rather than loan repayment. Now, there are like several threshold
problems with this. First of all, is it really that crazy to call

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these payments to Cohen attorney's fees.It's you know, maybe it's inaccurate,
but it's not completely crazy. Cohenwas Trump's ongoing lawyer. There was stuff
Trump was paying him for. Youknow, if he's going to continue to
be your lawyer and you're giving himmore, that gives you some buffer of

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a retainer. It's not clear thatthere was anything that It isn't one hundred
percent clear even from the testimony,Even from Cohen's testimony, I don't think
there's nothing that doesn't seem like there'sanything explicit in the air that we all
know that this is the loan repayment, but we're gonna hide it in the

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books by calling it legal fees.Well, that doesn't that doesn't seem to
me to be very well established.Now, the core problem, and this
is where we'll talk about our belovedformer Fresno era former member of the House
Representatives representing King's County and I thinkportions of Tillarry County, TJ. Cox,

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which is this word fraud. TJ. Cox was charged with various counts
of wire fraud. What is fraud? Fraud means lying for money, lying

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for money, lying in order toget yourself more money or property. Alvin
Bragg, the District Attorney in Manhattan, is trying to say that this lie,
classifying these payments to Cohen as attorney'sfees rather than loan repayment, perpetrated

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a fraud in the American people ofdepriving them of a Hillary Clinton presidency.
That's the fraud. But that's notwhat fraud means. Fraud, when it's
used in New York law, andas it's used in most jurisdictions, the
term fraud specifically refers to not somegeneral sense of being cheated. Fraud means

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deceptive conduct in order to get moneyor assets or stuff or property. Okay,
that's what it means. And again, a great way of thinking about
it, A great shorthand. Whenyou're reading a news story and you see
the word fraud, think lying formoney, that's what it means. So

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TJ. Cox was indicted for quote, multiple fraud schemes. When he was
the head of a Fresne company aimedat assisting development investment in financially distressed areas
through the new Market tax credit.He was a partner in a nonprofit that

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least the troubled Granite Parks sports complexin central Fresno from the City of Fresno.
He was the partner in an almandprocessing company, and he was a
candidate for Congress. Comcuters alleged Coxstole more than one point seven million dollars
in diverted client payments and company loansand investments. They said Cox created false
records, lying and a fraudulent loanguarantee again lying to secure a one point

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five million dollar construction loan for moneythrough a sports nonprofit for improvements at Granite
Park. So TJ. Cox isclearly demonstrating for us, this is what
fraud is. He's giving false records, records where he's cooked the books for
what for a big fat one pointfive million dollar construction loan. The indictment

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also alleged campaign contribution violations from Strawdonors. He gave more than twenty five
thousand dollars to business associates and familymembers so they could look like they were
donating to his twenty eighteen campaign forcongress. Now Trump, let's now look

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at Trump. So with TJ.Cox, we see very clearly he's lying
in business records to get loans,to get money, lying for money.
That's what it is. That's fraudwith Trump, though, Okay, let's
assume for the sake of argument,that characterizing his payments to Cohen as attorney's

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fees rather than loan repayment. Let'sassume that that's a lie. I don't
know that it is, but let'sassume that it is. Let's assume that
that's wrong. That's inaccurate. Whatmoney was he getting, what property was
he getting? Nothing that there wasno financial advantage to classifying the payments to

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Cohen as attorney's fees rather than loanrepayment. If anything, there was a
financial disadvantage. They had to paymore taxes of on it. So again,
an attorney receiving attorney's fees, that'sincome for the attorney. He has
to pay income tax on it.If it's an attorney just getting a loan
repaid to him. Like, ifI loan you fifty thousand dollars and you

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pay me back fifty thousand dollars,that's not a And I loan you fifty
thousand dollars on you know, Aprilfirst, and you pay me back fifty
thousand dollars on May first, Idon't have to report that on my taxes.
That's not a taxable event. It'sjust money out money in. That's
not a tax worthy event. Ifyou give me fifty thousand If I'm a
lawyer and you give me fifty thousanddollars to pay me legal fees, that's

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income to me. That is taxed. I have to pay income taxes on
it. So Trump actually wound upgiving Cohen way more than one hundred and
thirty thousand dollars so that Cohen couldpay his taxes. So far from getting
more money by reclassifying these payments,Trump had to pay more money. The
It was a good deal for theCoffers of the state of New York and

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the federal government. They got taxmoney out of it when they wouldn't have
otherwise. So I think the TJ. Cox thing is showing us sort of
how silly the Trump prosecution is.There was no fraud in the Trump context.
Where again, fraud doesn't just meananything you think that's deceptive. Fraud
means lying for money. When wereturn, who is Biden really pandering to

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by being soft on Palestinian protesters andsoft on the cause of Hamas and Gaza
in general. That's next on theJohn Girardi Show. A lot of people
have noticed how bizarrely soft the Bidenor at the very least confused the Biden
administration has been in its messaging betweenHamas versus Israel. Do they support Israel

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all the way? Do they notsupport Israel? Are they soft pedaling this
blah blah blah? And are theydoing this for political considerations? Are they
afraid of all these student protesters thatthey're going to lose the student vote if
they are perceived as two pro Israel? And people are sort of pointing out,
you know, the anti Israel votein America is really very, very

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small. Here's what it really is. A lot of these anti Israel protests
on college campuses are being funded bymajor Biden donors. I think that's what's
driving this sort of mixed messaging onBiden's behalf. On the one hand,

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he realizes most Americans are sort offor the most part pro Israel, so
he doesn't want to tick them off. But he's got some super left wing
donors who are on kind of theopposite side of this thing, and I
think he feels like he can't tickoff either side. That'll do it.

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See you guys next week on TheJohn Girardi Show.