April 25, 2024 • 43 mins
On this episode of The Line Change Jon Jansen is joined by Jeff Kerr of CBS Sports. Jon and Jeff discuss:
-NFL Draft
-Most interesting teams heading into the draft
-Potential landing spots for quarterbacks
-What the Eagles will do with their first round pick.
-NFL Draft
-Most interesting teams heading into the draft
-Potential landing spots for quarterbacks
-What the Eagles will do with their first round pick.
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It is another episode of the LineChange. I don't know what number this
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Joining me right now though this isgonna be a five star episode. It
is Jeff Kerr of CBS Sports.I used to have Jeff on and again
I always tell this story when Ihave a guest evans open to In a
while, I used to host TheLine Change weeknights every day Monday through Friday,
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and I add all these guests onthat I would talk to all the
time. And since I moved overand basically have been co hosting The Daily
Ticket, I haven't been able todo that as much. So I'm just
basically starting up this podcast to talkto my friends again. Jeff Parls was
the start of that, and nowall the way to Jeff curR. I
feel like it's been a few years. Jeff, you have just gotten bigger
and bigger and bigger over these fewyears. So appreciate you taking the time
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to come back on this humble littlepodcast. He used to go on.
Appreciate that, Jeff, you knowwhat, Bigger doesn't always mean better,
though I will say that I'm sure, I'm sure in some cases, but
in your case, you are absolutelycrushing it. And this is when it
comes to draft season. I knowa lot of people for the NFL Calendar
ranked that as like number one ontheir favorite day of the sports you know,
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sports calendar season? Is that isthat not You are not a draft
guy. You are not the biggest. This is not the favorite day for
you, not at all. I'mweird, right, So I like Edule
Day is my favorite day because thenyou actually know when people are playing.
Okay, free agencies too, Ilove free agency Schedule Day to me though,
in radio and sports radio specifically,is the worst day. Oh,
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scheduled day is terrible. So Igot I got an inside tip on schedule
day for you, and I'll justshare it on here. You do know,
all the networks get the schedule likefive days before it happens, and
they fight for it, Like alot of the networks fight to get that
schedule just to habit. And Isay, look, I just wanted so
I can type it in, getsome work done early. You can just
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get it done, get it readyto go. Yeah, exactly, Like
it's sad, Like I kind ofknow the Eagle schedule. You've got to
keep your mouth shut. It reallysucks. Top. Yeah. Well,
the thing was the the Green Baygame, that the Brazil game. That
was wild, the speculation that wasgoing on with that one, because for
the longest time it was everybody saying, Oh, it's Cleveland, it's Cleveland,
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it's Cleveland. And to see teamA Division team. It's got to
be somebody like Cleveland, and thenhere it is Green Bay. And I'm
sure there are a lot of peoplethat sat on that for quite a lot.
Uh yeah, there were. Sowe were hearing Green Bay at the
owners meetings and Green Bay I gaveit away a couple of times. And
I know where ree Hurst did.And look, Reehurst was he wasn't wrong,
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Like Cleveland was definitely in consideration reportand I think they they basically told
the players like, hey, youknow, just prepare for this right and
get ready for wow. Okay,so it's close to Cleveland. So so
yeah, it was here, GreenBay or Cleveland Pittsburgh in one they choose
the right one. No, Idon't know. I don't like that it's
a conference game. I don't likethat it's a it's an important conference game
in Brazil to start the season.Yeah, it's not like you're playing an
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a two game schedule here, likeit's just one of ay two. This
is one of seventeen. And youknow the Eagles are losing the home game
to the Packers, which would bea big game. Like if it right,
it was Cleveland, if it's Pittsburgh, Okay, But exactly. That's
what I was. If you're gonnalose to Cleveland, fine, it's a
it's a non conference game, it'sit's a I know it's a home game
you lose, but again it's anconference a game that does matter. I
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mean, you want to win allof your games, but not as important
as green Bay. The Eagles couldbe fighting for a wildcard spot with green
Bay, you know, the Eaglescould be fighting with seating with green Bay
and the fact that you get tolose that home game. Don't enjoy that
very much. But scheduling that scheduleis going to come out. So that's
your favorite day. Is that yourfavorite day of the offseason. I'm guessing
that's that's probably a better way toput it. Yeah, yeah, that's
my favorite day of the all season. So I'm going to get into why
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I don't really like the draft.It's not the draft. I like the
draft. I like I think Iknow what it is. You want to
take a guess for exit, Iwant to say it's the draft people that
don't make it fun aspect the speculations, the absolute crazy nonsense that it's being
said on a daily I get tiredof being sold sometimes like, Oh,
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you scare about this player, toscare about this player, to scare about
this player. You know, I'llcare about these players when they get drafted,
like you know, and look likeI like the draft in terms of
content, like I think it givesa lot of people opportunity. It's just
not my thing and that's fun,Like, it doesn't make me less of
a football evalutor. I just don'tlike to pretend I know everything. Yeah,
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there's a lot of people that do. I don't pretend. So I'm
lucky enough that I like college football. So I haven't understanding that that's crazy.
There's not a lot of big there'snot a big college football contingent in
this area, Jeff, So Ineed I always. I didn't know you
like college football this much. SoI need to add you into the fight
for the good fight for college footballin Philadelphia as a now Heisman Trophy voter.
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You know, I feel like Igot to fight that good fight for
you vote now I do. Yeah, I've been a voter for a couple
of years now, so I feellike I have to be an ambassador for
the city of Philadelphia for college football. I'll recruit you. I've voted I
voted for Jade and Daniels. Yeahthat's all. So, yeah, the
rest of my list, I can'tremember it now, but I know it
is. I think it was prettymuch the same with a lot of people
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kind of just fell to where,you know, I think it might have
been Daniels. I think I thinkI'm a Bonex over Pennix, and I
think those of the three, Ithink I think it was that close.
But yeah, I can't. Ican't remember exactly because I remember I think
bon Nick's numbers, his advanced metricslooked really good, and I was pretty
much captured by that. But yeah, it was Jade and Daniels. Good
to know that there's another college footballfanatic as well in the city of Philadelphia.
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That is always good to hear.You know what makes watching college football
tough for me now personally, soas you know, I went to Penn
State. I'm a big Penn Stateguy watching athlete ten football. I have
soured on college football really since thethird year of the playoff, when Penn
State bet Ohio State, and OhioState made the playoff in Penn State won
the conference and didn't I get that. I just don't understand how you can
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win a conference, it feels directionless. Yeah. Time. Yeah, and
you pick a team that didn't evenwin the division yell alone conference. Oh
you know, they're like, wellthey have played. I'm like, so
you're rewarding a team for not makingit the championship weekend, like if you
had twelve teams. I understand that, which I think is going to open
up things tremendously. Yeah. Ithink I think it does rectify that issue
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that you know you were going toget the conference winners and then you get
sort of the essentially the wildcards orin college football cases, the at large
bids into the playoffs. So Ido think it kind of fixes that issue
a little bit. We'll see ifit works. I mean, we'll see
if the college football the extended collegefootball playoff actually works. But I do
think it is a step in theright direction. To be honest with you,
it does feel like though it's everything'sgonna be big ten sec and like,
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yes, year, that's what That'swhat I'm afraid of. That's why
I'm not saying it's a success yetbecause I'm very afraid that's gonna happen.
Yeah. But yeah, it's fine, John, because I watch all these
kids in college, like especially alot of the Big ten kids, and
I'm just curious see where they're drafted. I don't need to do like a
player evaluation on I'm like when peoplesay to me, Malik Davers is better
than Marvin Harrison, I'm like,Okay, do you know who Marvin Harrison
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was catching balls from last year?I know, I feel like that stuff
doesn't get taken into account. Butalso it's I don't know, people just
try and plant their flag on acertain guy because it's their guy, and
they, you know, go toofar with it. Yeah, I just
I don't know. I feel likeevaluations are all over the place, nobody's
getting it right, and it canfeel almost like it's like sports betting in
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a way. I can feel toogatekeepy, Like when I have a take
on you know, JJ McCarthy orDrake May it's just like, oh,
well, no, you didn't seethis, or you didn't see this part
of the of a game or something. I'm like, okay, well I've
watched, Like I watched a tonof North Carolina, I watched a ton
of Jane Daniels, I watched aton of Kayla Williams. Like I know
these guys, I don't know.It just feels gatekeepy, and it feels
a little bit too too much ofthe toxic side of sports takes in sports
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arguments that I don't I don't appreciateanother thing too, Like so I've fant
season ticket spent States since my freshmanyear of college there. I don't miss
pet State football, especially yang.I didn't know that. Yeah, so
I don't miss a game, andI gotta make it up to a game.
My cousin went, and he wouldalways invite in my family to go
at least for one game a year, and I didn't. I didn't end
up going because I was at thesame time I was going to East Carolina,
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so that was kind of tough.But but East Carolina, like they've
had fun football. Yeah yeah,Lincoln Riley was there for a time when
I was there. Yeah, well, you know what I always say that
when Joe Brady started with showing like, yeah, defence, they have his
brad assistant wet that's right, yeah, Jo, And I'm still just speaking.
We're all over the place. Now, we'll get the draft. We
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got plenty of time for that.Joe Brady thumbs up thumbs down on Joe
Brady or in the middle of howwe did in Buffalo, because I know
there was some Certainly things got betterwith Buffalo, but there were still some
mixed feelings on them. Moving onfrom Ken Dorsey over to Joe Brady.
I've always been a Joe Brady guy. I feel like Matt Role kind of
scapegoated him. He was saying thathe wanted to be a run first offense
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when they had Chuba Hubbard as they'restarting running back because Christian McCaffrey was hurt.
So I feel like Joe Brady justkind of got scapegoated and Matt Rule
was already trying to look for answersthat never were there. But it was
kind of a mixed bag with Bradyand Buffalo. What is your reaction and
what have you been kind of justhearing on what everybody thought about Brady in
his time at Buffalo. I thinkthey need a full season with him to
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be honest with him. And againBuffalo is going to be you know,
we're talking about the draft. We'veassumed Buffalo going to Drant the wide receiver,
but they need offensive line help,they need some defensive line help.
They need some secondary help. Yeah. Yeah, And look, there's still
a good football team. It's justthey're kind of in no man's playing on
where they need to go because oftheir sour cap situation. Brandon Bean just
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did not do a good enough jobby handling a sour cap. And again
that's why if you're in Philadelphia,you're fortunate that Ali roseman, he knows
I'll do this stuff. But yeah, I mean you would think they need
a wide receiver at twenty eight.And again, I just need to see
more, right, And I likehow they use Jans Cook a lot on
the second half of the year.And the the Stefan Diggs stuff is what
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it is. Right, that guywas just being a pain, you know
one, and eventually you have toget rid of him. And look,
I think it's good for both partiesto move on. I mean, you
get to a point where it doesget frustrating and you know, guys just
need to move on. Not tosay like Diggs was frustrated. I'm sure
Alan was frustrated with him. Youknow, it's just time to move on.
That's okay. Sometimes, Hey,you got four you got four good
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years out of him, You gotdraft pack exactly. You got chances to
win. It's not like they didn't. They had great chances to win.
It's just Patrick Mahomes should beat theChiefs a couple of years ago. The
thirteen second thing happens. But youknow what, and I don't blame Josh
Allen for that. I don't blameSean mc dubbott for that, just the
way it is. And you know, they showed the loss of the home
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to the Bengals, not this year, the past years at home then they
did. You know, it's theygot to reset. But I still say,
as long as you have the quarterback, you have a chance to win,
and they got Josh Allen. Yeah. So I think one of I
think the favorite my favorite parts ofthe draft, and I'm sure it's yours,
because you don't like all of thekind of crazy circus surrounding the draft
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before it. But when we getinto the draft and we start to see
players land, that's where it becomesinteresting. So Buffalo is a team that
you just mentioned where you're kind ofinterested to see where it's heading with some
of these draft picks. What teamare you interested in the most to see
how they you know, what theirdraft plan is and what they end up
doing in the draft. What isa team that you kind of have your
eye on it. I'm really interestedto see what they do. There's a
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couple teams, So the Patriots areone because you keep here and they're going
to trade down for three. AndI really don't blame them if they're not
in love of a certain player andif certain teams are. The Minnesota Vikings
are one of those teams I'm intriguedby because I was literally told this from
a couple of people, the bestquarterback industryft might be the one who winds
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up at the Minnesota Vikings because ofthe talent around them. And I said,
it makes sense, honestly, becauseof the coach, Kevin O'Connell,
the receivers, you got Jefferson asAddison, you know, you got Aaron
Jones and running back it's yeah.And to expand further on that, you
know, to narrow down a specificquarterback. There's been I mean, obviously
a lot of smoke with the JJMcCarthy thing, but I do feel like
the what he did at Michigan andthe things that he excelled in at Michigan
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are kind of the same things thathe would be doing in the Minnesota offense.
It does. Does that just feellike I mean with Caleb Williams,
you're just he's going to Chicago becausehe's the best quarterback in the draft.
In Chicago's the number one pick.So it's not like a perfect match,
but you know you're getting the bestquarterback and that's that's where he's gonna land.
It feels like Minnesota is going tobe hand picking a quarterback that kind
of perfectly matches their system if theywere to do that with McCarthy. Yeah,
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and I've heard it, strike that'sthe guy. Wow. Yeah,
so that's the guy I've been hearing. By the way, I I love
how you brought up Kyle Williams.Don't you think, though, like I
know this has been talked about fora month, why people think Jayden Daniels
is better than that? I don't. I think people are afraid to put
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that on paper. Yeah, becauselast year I was the jerk who said
CJ. Stroud, Yeah, thatwas one. I remember that. I
wasn't I wasn't totally convinced on eitherof them being number one. I just
thought, you know what, BryceYoung has the pedigree if you take him
number one I don't. I don'tblame Carolina for doing. DJ Stroud is
the example for me. And again, this is why I get so mad
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at mock draft and I get somad at these draft knicks and all this
stuff. Just tell me where theseplayers are going, and I'll tell you
if they're going to be good ornot. Right, I don't think any
quarterback that gets drafted by the NewEngland Patriots or New York Giants is going
to be good. I don't.I don't care who would. Even if
I like the play, I justdon't think it's it's a good fit.
And I actually think it's really wiseif the Patriots straight down, because if
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they don't love a guy and theyneed a lot of help, a lot
of or a position, why notjust restock the cover. Yeah, I
feel like that's the direction they're goingto go, in the direction they should
go. So I agree with youthat. So you mentioned you mentioned the
Giants real quick, are they goingto go after a quarterback? Are they?
How? How in the market areyou are? Do you think that
they are for a quarterback? Like? Where is that on their list of
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I guess priorities. I think they'rein the market For one, I just
don't think they're in love with theguys that they might get. Like,
you know, if they draft jMcCarthy, just gonna laugh because that's not
gonna work. No, No,it's just not gonna work. There,
Drake May I think they like butdo they like them enough to move up
to three? I don't know.I honestly think this is what I would
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do. I would just stay it'ssick and drama, one of those wide
receivers and just say, you know, we'll go get that quarterback next year.
Yeah, I completely think so.And look, I say, if
you really like the quarterback, takeyour chance. Do it. I mean,
always, always do it if youbelieve in the quarterback. Because the
thing is that people don't understand isif a team believes in the quarterback,
but then they go on the otherside of that, go oh, I
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don't believe we can build a teamaround him. That's basically your admitting we
suck at this. Like, ifyou believe that you have found the quarterback
and you want the quarterback, yougo get him, and you believe and
you trust in yourself to build ateam around him. So I've been hearing
that a lot with the Patriots.You know, if they if they like
a quarterback, they still shouldn't doit because they don't have the talent.
But that's basically New England admitting,oh, yeah, we suck, we
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shouldn't get a quarterback. You know. I think they have to admit,
hey, if the quarterback's good enough, we should be good enough to build
a team around him. But Idon't know what team is going to land
on that, but go ahead.Yeah, then you get to the position
like the Giants' rim right, remembera couple of years ago they were six,
Well they took the best guy onthe board because of me, Like,
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no, you don't draft Daniel Jonesat number six. You dranft Daniel
Jones at number fifteen. You don'tdraft them at six. And you did
that, and by the way,you did get a good player in that
draft. You got Dexter Lawrence.That's probably where you should drafted Daniel Jones.
And then this, I think theirprocess of what a good quarterback is
that's now If that's it. Ifyou want to criticize that, yes,
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the Giants clearly did not know whatI think a good quarterback looked like you
was roomed me nuts about them whenthey paid Daniel Jones did. And again
this must be a New York fanbased type thing. They were hyping.
The fans were hyping him up likeyou had this wonderful year. I'm like,
you know, Jalen Hurts ran formore touchdowns than he threw, right,
Like, that's not good and youjust pat that guy forty million a
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year. I would have waited.I honestly paid safe one and oh yeah,
I mean, and that's what wasthe coggnat machine that ran at all.
I mean, he was the onethat really made that offense tick.
Ran to the ground. Yeah,they did, they did, They did
so I and I think them overpaying Daniel Jones certainly. I mean,
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that's not something that they kind ofalready understood that they got wrong just a
year later. And I think thatthey understand that they need a quarterback,
but you're right in that they haveto figure out if they like one.
And I don't know if I trustthe Giants to figure that out. But
you mentioned why receiver and wide receiver'svery good. I think a team that
is very wide receiver needy that Ireally like heading into the year. I
find most interesting right now is becauseof the spot that they're at, the
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potential of how many quarterbacks could betaken in the top five, and just
that they could get the player thatthey really I think would would elevate them,
and that's Arizona. They have thequarterback. I think that anybody that
says Kyler Murray's and a good quarterbackis just just ignoring the fact that he
was really good under a bad offensewith Cliff Kingsbury. I think Kyler Murray's
very good, and they have achance here to get him a great wide
receiver. But if there's a quarterbackavailable and a team wants to trade up,
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what do you think the Cardinals shoulddo. They're in a position here
where I understand that they to me, I would just take Marvin Harrison Junior
and get the great wide receiver.But they also another team that needs a
little bit more than that and couldtrade back. I think Arizona's in an
interesting spot. What do you thinkcould play out there with a number four
pick. Monte Austin Ford is probablythe biggest wild card in this draft,
because if you remember last year,they traded back and then they aggressively traded
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up and they got Paris Johnson,which I thought was a great pick for
them. You know what, Ikind of love about the draft though.
Everybody thought the Cardinals were going tobe the prime candidate to trade out of
four, and it looks like theyall have to now because everybody wants to
get ahead of the Cardinals because theyknow they don't need a quarterback. It's
you want to get the three oryou want to get the five. Yep,
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you don't want to get the four. So the Cardinals are they're in
golden land right now because they knowMarvin Harrison is going to be sitting there
honestly the biggest debate right or Pickett. Yeah, it's and you know what,
I feel bad for my friends outthere, Like I'm friends with the
phn X guys and a lot ofpeople at nine eight point seven Arizona Sports
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and Bob Camp and a lot ofthose guys, and we are just hearing
just rumors and rivers and rumors.Oh belief Davis and Baron Marvin Harrison and
Roman Baron Marvin Harrison. They're like, no, no, no, Marvin
is the guy. I am guaranteeingyou right now. Marvin Harrison is one
hundred percent the first wide receiver takingHe's absolutely he's the best wide receiver in
this draft. He might even bethe best player in this draft, as
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Marracks could be. I agree withthat. I agree with that. I
have no Daniel Daniel Jerri. Ihave know Daniel Jeremiah, but I I
have a big board too with MarvinHarrison's number. Yeah, I think,
uh, and you're a you're abig ten guy. You've seeing those games
close up, and it's just Imean, look at the the production that
he had. It was, itwas all over the place. It was
a vertical threat. It was takingsome of those short, flat routes and
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taking them to the house. BecauseCoyle McCord couldn't really do much in trying
to push the ball down the field, so they had to find any way
to get it to Marvin Harrison Junior. And guess what, Marvin Harrison Junior
made it work. And many manygames and in many different situations and in
many different, uh you know,different types of routes. I love Marvin
Harrison Junior, and I think lastyear U they honestly elevated him to me
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to be able to be productive inan offense with that kind of quarterback was
really special. I think that's aspecial kind of player. So where do
you think? What do you thinkof Arizona if they were to get Marvin
Harrison junior? Obviously some some otherthings to figure out. I don't know
if they were as active in freeagency as I wanted them to be.
But that's a team that I kindof have, you know, a sneaky
team on my radar that could youknow, I'm not saying win a super
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Bowl, but makes a noise,do better than they were last year,
compete, maybe get a wildcard spot. You know. I think Arizona is
in a in a good spot becauseKyler Murray's coming into the year healthy,
and I think they have a good, good offensive coach. I think Jonathan
Gannon did a really good job.This isn't a gimmicky, stupid Cliff Kingsbury's
offense. Good luck Jadon Daniels inWashington in that offense. I don't know
if it works in the NFL,but this is a big boy offense and
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Kyler Murray makes a big boy plays. Last year. They like Kyler Murray
a lot, and they they knewlast year was kind of a watch right
Like last year was like Okay,we're just gonna throw in tow We're gonna
stock the covered up with draft picks, and we're gonna see what we got
here until Kyler Murray comes back.And you saw they were at least a
confident team when Murray came back.They probably played their way out of the
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top two draft pick, but heended up working out anyway, Right,
Yeah, I mean, if theywere one or two, they'd be trained
down. I mean, let's justbe realistic here, but they do need
a wide receiver. They still needsome helping the offensive line. They definitely
need help in the pass ruge,like, they need help in the second
area. And and you know,and I think they know. It's just
not a good defensive draft, atleast at the top end where they're picking.
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So you don't draft the Byram Murphyor you know, a Quintin Mitchell
at four. So maybe that's whypeople are picking. They're trained down.
But you have a chance to getMaarin Harrison and really improved the wide receiver
position. Oh, by the way, you traded Rondell Moore if you moved
on from Hollywood Brown, like youneed this guy, Like I think the
number one wide receiver right now isGreg George if I'm not mistaken, Yeah,
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I think so. I think itis. Yeah, yeah, which
isn't good, no, but butyou know what, I love it out
there. Like so I had achance to talk to John again that the
Ords, and you know, rememberbe a little bit from Billy, and
he loves it out there, Likeit's just so different. It's just a
different vibe, it's a different atmosphere. You don't let people just breathing down
your next scene. You suck everyday of your life. Like Cardinals fans
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love this guy, like I thinkthey love I think there were some things
to love actually, Like I reallydo think Jonathan Gannon puts some stuff out
there, and especially schematically defensively,that was that was really impressive. You
know, that was certainly something Ithink Cardinals fans should be happy about it.
And you know what, don't befool people like he loved being the
Eagles last year. Oh yeah,he loved. Sure, he loved being
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a Super Bowl coach, you know, or going to the Super Bowl.
I'm sure he loved that. Butby the way that whole thing was blown
out proportion, I guess with oh, you know, he he didn't try
or this and that. First off, No, no coach in America.
If you're a coach, you tryto win everything too. Why would you
go back home and then fly backto Arizona? Would you do that if
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you had a driver interview in Arizonawhen you happen to be out there.
I don't like the way the Cardinalshanded it, Yeah, I think that's
more of where I'm at y.Yeah, but that's not his fault,
Like I don't know it's I'm nota defender of Johnthacganna by anything. I'm
a Jonathan Gannon defender. I havealways been. I thought he was good
with the Eagles. You know.I some things here and there that may
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may not have been great, Butyeah, I thought Jonathan Gannon was really
good. And again, you know, I see things like CJ. Strun
breaking down film and it was agame against Arizona and CJ. Stroud was
raving like they were giving me crazylooks. You know, this is an
odd look they gave me. Youknow, the talent's not there, you
know, but they I think JonathanGannon was making the most of the talent
he had and he was really doingsome interesting things defensively, with Arizona.
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That was a tougher defense than Ithink even the numbers kind of suggest that
was a really tough defensive play andit was. And you know what,
they always buckled down late, likethey would shut down the Eagles late too,
And I'm like, Okay, thejohnathang Gann knows Jalen Hurts probably isn't
the most mobile quarterback right now becauseit was me and he knows, like
there's this offense is dicombobulated, likeI know we're going on a John Pagann
tangent here, but that's what Iwas. Yeah, the Cardinals are looking
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at the as like a five yearthing, and look, I just like
the way they're handling things like that. They just kind of hit the reset
button. But they had the quarterback, so they may be rebuilding a lot
quicker. And people think, likeI'm not saying they're gonna be in games,
but no, no, no,I'm not either. But I think
I saw their win total like fiveand a half six, and I said,
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yeah, over, I could seean eight win team. I can
see that absolutely. You know what, that's stick with win totals, like
they're very deceiving, like it's it'swhat they're projecting, as you know,
and it's a good parometer in thelook at But there's a lot of teams
where I can honestly say in Baysometimes like I can tell you what they're
gonna be good, like I do, the Giants are gonna stuck. Last
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year, I actually said to theworst team, two of the worst teams
in football were gonna be the NewYork Giants, the New England Patriots and
and and I'll even have the CarolinaPanferson there. I thought they were gonna
be god awful. Last year.I'm better. I'm better at picking the
bandsas. Yeah, sometimes it's hardwith the good ones because I think even
the Eagles, like you can't youcan't predict what happened at the end of
that season, you know, ButI don't predict that. I know the
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Giants Ross is really bad and Iknow it's not ever going to be good.
I loved what the Texans did.If someone would have told me that
Texas would win the AFC South,I was out of here, like like
I would say, they probably wereeight games. But what they did last
year, it's amazing what happened together. Yes, I'll go in that direction
real quick. Since you brought upHouston, because Houston was aggressive last year.
They got the quarterback, they wentback in and got a top defensive
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end. Uh, they they theywere aggressive. Do you see any team
being aggressive? Like, what's themost aggressive team or is there anything we
will see like what what Houston didlast year? Because they they completely turned
their entire roster around, in theirentire franchise around through one draft, which
is pretty remarkable. It feels likethe Raiders could be aggressive, right,
Oh okay, because there was somesmoke about they were trying to trade up
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to too and there's still smoke aboutthat that they tried and Washington, I
don't play for what is gonna tellno because a quarterback. Look you know
what, I got to speak toDan Quinn a lot. The owners being
they are not trading out that spot. They're just not the like do you
And again I know the old saying, you love your you love your house,
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your wife loves your house. Butsomeone gives you an offer you can't
refuse on the house, pack up, honey, removing. Uh, the
Washington commanders are not moving. Theyreally like their house. And but the
Raiders, the Raiders and the Vikingsof the too watching because I think the
Vikings are gonna trade and the Vikingshave the trade up, and the Raiders
they gonna go to the year AO'Connell and Garner Minshew. I really think
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that. Yeah, no, they'renot going into and look, I like
some of the things they and O'Connelldid, and Garner Minshew's had some success
in the NFL. So that's it'sIt's not a Denver Broncos quarterback room,
but it's certainly one that needs thatneed something. This is why I would
hate to be a GM of afootball team. And this is why because
I'm arrogant enough. We're gonna stayat thirteen and Michael Pennix is gonna be
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there and we're gonna take him andwe're gonna laugh. But that's the problem
because if quarterback one, two,and three go off the board, yes,
mccarvey going, Oh, by theway, you got jump Denver.
That's the thing. Teams feel pressure. Teams will feel pressure like, oh,
we we gotta move up and geta quarterback. You know the quarterbacks
are going teams really want him.So yeah, I think you're right.
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It's just the pressure by the way. In my opinion, Panics is their
best player in this draft. Really. I I got Williams, Daniels,
Pennix met and I love men too. But where's Drake may going? If
he gets to the Vikings, Imight like it a lot more. Right
But but if we're just going onplayers and not where they're they're at right
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now, I gotta go Penis Manlike I loved watching Pendix last year.
And if Panx isn't hurt in theplayoffs, you might be it. This
stock might be hiring people think so, last question I have for you on
the NFL draft and for uh thisepisode of the line change. Yet I
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was about to say the last Cusheris going to be the Eagles, you
know, and you know why I'mnot. I guess I just say I'm
not interested. It's just it's Idon't know, it's they're they're towards the
bottom of the draft and it doesn'tI mean, they could still trade and
move up, they can get somebodyinteresting, but it's until it happens,
it's okay, well, who arethey going to draft the twenty two And
it's going to be a player that'sjust really good player, But it's not,
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it's not as fun as like whatthey were. Could they get Devonte
Smith, you know, could theyget Jalen Carter? That was exciting this
They had top ten pick last yearexactly. You know, it's a lot
different being in the twenties than itis, you know, top ten.
But that's also a good thing whenyou're in the twenties. It is well,
by the way, they had twofirst round picks last year, so
that even pretty exciting. So whatwhat do you think they do this year?
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Are they There's been a lot oftalk about them moving off of twenty
two, whether that's up or down. A lot of it seems to be
trending towards moving up in the draft. But what do you think the Eagles
do and what do you think they'relooking after? So well? I was
told and again multiple people haven't wroteit yet. I've tweeted it. You
saw my tweet yesterday. But theydo like the Alabama players, like Terry
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and Arnold, they like J.C. Lake is a smoke screen.
I don't know, but I doknow that they're probably gonna trade up to
get You're two of those guys.I know. They like Troy font New
from Washington I really like him too. I think he's the bug and play
white Guard week one if they chooseto. By the way, that stat
by MBO today, there's a reasonwhy Eagles pick offensive blindman early because they
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have a higher success rate of signinga second contract, which, by the
way, was an awesome job byhim. By I do have both personally,
great, great dude. Yeah,that's really that was really good to
see. That was really eye opening, I guess. And the other player
I don't know much about if they'reinteresting when Mitchell I've heard different reports,
not really sure. Arnold is Arnold. I've been hearing late than I've been
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hearing font New I've been hearing,and the wild card is late two because
and look, I know they reallylike lay two. But did their medical
people clearly too, so the otherone either the mostly the thing I've been
hearing is cornerback is defensive back?Where is that on the list of priorities
for the Eagles, Because I mean, it makes sense because Bradbury didn't play
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well and they could use some secondaryhelp. But also there's already you know,
some money tied up there, andthere's some other places that you can
look for with the Eagles, andthey always look offensive line, and they
could use some offensive line help withKelsey retiring and you know, wanting to
add more depth there. But wherewhere's cornerback on the list of priorities,
I would say it's probably second orthird, maybe time for second. Like,
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look, I think they still prioritizeedge rusher and they didn't have to,
but the son ridd again, Lookand think a guy like Lay two,
I'll be more for that because Ithink he's and look, I'm not
disrespecting Dallas Turner here, but Ithink Lay two might be a better pass
rusher than Dallas cern and I thinkJerry first might be a better pass rusher
than Dallas her. But if theycould get Verse late to trot Robinson,
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that's a good haul. Like ifthey can't get any one of them,
look they got Or that's a greatpick for them, if that's the guy
they're target Sam with Quinon Mitchell,great pick for There's a lot of guys
that they need that are going tofall between twelve and nineteen, and they
can trade up and get one ofthem. It's just who's gonna be there,
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right. I still say their biggestneed obviously is linebacker, but they
don't care about that, and theyshould. That's why is there a chance?
Is there a chance for Jeremiah TrotterJunior at some point? I don't
think he's that good. That's probablyI do so I think he's going to
be a second round pick and maybemaybe third round because I know he's undersized
and teams don't like that. That'swhy na Kobe Dean fell. But there
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are some other skills that he hasthat are good. But yeah, I
agree with you, like I don'tthink he should have been a first round
pick or is going to be one. But is that I don't know.
Jeremiah True Junior has the name.He's a player that I don't know if
the Eagles would be willing to paytoo much of a premium for. But
is there a chance for something likethat to happen? I know linebacker they're
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probably gonna take at some point,but I just want to ask about Trotter
Junior specifically, because obviously that wouldbe a big thing for the city just
because of the name and who hisdad was. Yeah, I mean,
I think there'd be immense amount ofpressure though. That's that's the thing.
It's almost like when and look,I know it wasn't this is a comparison,
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but I'm gonna make it one CaseyMatthews. Like they're like, oh,
it's bar of Clay Matthews and thisguy was playmaker in college. I'm
like, he's okay, Like hewas okay in college, he was okay
in the pros. But everybody maylook like he was gonna be better on
what he was. And look,this is what I think is gonna be
really tough tod to Jeremi Triers jewwhat the hell does this fan base see?
I say of Rogers, that isgonna make him the same, right,
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I don't know if he's good anymorebecause he hasn't played football. It's
there's a better chance. I sayRodgers doesn't make the team then makes a
significant impact, and again it couldbe completely wrong. I haven't seen the
guy play football in two years.But look, he was suspended all last
year and does take a toll.I don't think Alvin Ridley's been the same
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player since he's been back. Nowhe's got another year, so their offense
we'll see, But I think there'sa lot of pressure to the drafta Trier's
kid and there's batter linebackers, likethere's Edrin Cooper, there's s Travan Wallace,
there's other good linebackers. Yeah,the kid from Michigan. You know,
there's a lot of players that arebetter than him. And I mean,
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look, if he's there in thefourth round, you want to draft
him. It's a it's a lotteryto get that point. That is Jeff
Kerr and Jeff, let everybody knowwhere they could find your work, where
they can find you online in socialmedia. Just let everybody know what you
got going on. You can findme at Jeff Kerr, CBS on X.
I still call Twitter, i stillcall her a Yeah. Yeah,
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Twitter is a great Name's awesome.Going to tweet, it's a tweet,
it's not a post. I'm notyeah, exactly, I'm not reposting.
I'm retweeting. I'm retweeting. That'sthe point, by the way, that
that site's going to you know what, But yes, I stick my case
there. But yeah, you canfind my work on CBS Sports dot com.
I'll have a bunch of Eagle stufffor the draft. I'm planning to
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be at the Novercare Complex on FridayThursday. I got a bowling playoff match,
and I'll be doing both. Iam one of those excellent multitaskers,
and I'll probably while watching the draftand it just frustrates people because they're so
cutthroat, and I'm just like,I'm cutthroat, but I'm like, Okay,
yeah, I could do a littlebit of both. Yeah, exactly,
(34:40):
I can do both. It's it'sone of those skills I've acquired.
But yeah, and I'll We're havinga draft special on CBS Philly Saturday.
Expected to be on that, Soyou can find me on CBS Philly if
you actually want to watch his faceon TV. I don't know why you
would. I certainly not. Well, I would hopefully are going to be
on CBS Philly. Always good totalk with you. It's been a while,
(35:02):
so hopefully these conversations can happen alot more. But Jeff, thank
you for coming on. More ofthe line Change coming up next being on
the line Change. Always great talkingwith Jeff, and uh yeah, a
lot of a lot of good insightthere on the NFL Draft, Jeff being
an owners meetings and talking to someof these people that, Yeah, the
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the Eagles certainly looks like they're stillwith the SEC. I I feel kind
of indifferent about that. So Iunderstand that if the Eagles are going to
be looking, you know, atreally good players, that yes, inevitably
that comes with Georgia players, Alabamaplayers. They're recruiting incredibly good blue chip
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prospects that teams are gonna fall inlove with and be and those those guys
are really talented. I just hopethat it's not too much of a of
a of a strict bias towards SECplayers, because you can also get those
wrong. Those guys aren't always thebest. You can find good players in
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other leagues. I watch college footballa lot. They are good players all
over the place. And I don'tknow if this is because maybe how he
got burned by the Jalen Rager draftpick. I know back of the day
he got burned by Marcus Smith comingout of Louisville. I know he's gotten
burned by that. But trust thatyou are a good evaluator and you can
evaluate and get players good players fromother teams other than Alabama and Georgia.
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I'm just I don't know if that'sthe case. I'm not going to speculate
and say, yeah, Ali Rosemanjust has this bias towards the SEC.
He doesn't trust his draft process.He just trusts, well, these guys
are really good programs, they're goodplayers. Should we get those guys.
I think there should be more tothat, but I don't know if that's
exactly how it's being done. Justthe optics kind of looked that way,
and it seems like it could behappening again from what Jeff Kerr was telling
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us, and also, yeah,I am I'm more and more. I
don't know if I am a JJMcCarthy guy. I don't know if I
think that McCarthy has the ceiling thatit would say, let's just say a
ceiling that I think maybe Jane Danielshas definitely a ceiling that I don't think
Drake May has. Drake May hasan unbelievable ceiling. It's raw potential and
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a lot of raw footwork. Ithink he's a solid decision maker, but
it's more of just getting everything inline, getting the mechanics in line,
getting his process in line, andI think just letting the raw tools take
over. I think that could bethe case because I think Anthony Richardson kind
of a bit of the same case. Even though I don't think there was
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all that much wrong with Richardson,it was more of the offense, which
Drake May did have those issues aswell. His offense wasn't nearly as good
as it was the previous year,so we had to deal with those issues.
He had to deal with the teamthat wasn't as good offensively, So
he was going to take a hitproduction wise, and it was going to
lead to some bad things. ButI you just watch them, and you
do see somebody that's just a littlebit more raw, and it could be
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maybe in line to what Richardson was. And we saw Richardson right away lands
in a good situation in Indianapolis,a good offense with Shane Steiken that has
worked with Jalen Hurts, and Richardsoncould have worked and done the same things
that Hurtz did, and I thinkto do some things better just because of
the raw tools. And Richardson succeededearly on, and it wasn't a large
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sample size, but very clearly succeededand looked like a starting NFL quarterback.
Drake May, if he lands inthat right situation, could be the same
thing. Again, I think it'svery similar to an Anthony Richardson. And
maybe I'm too much too down onsome of the potential that Drake May has
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early on to succeed in his career. But I do like the overall long
term, this guy's got everything,So I do like Drake May. But
Daniels I think a little bit morepolished at this point. Caleb Williams is
polished, by the way. AndI was seeing this video Nate Tys put
it out and May Tyson one ofmy favorites, a big fan of Nate
Tice, and he heard a commentof saying, well, nobody or Drake
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May or Jayden Daniels. I thinkit was Jaden Daniels does not have the
film the bad film that Caleb Williamsdoes. In a game like the Notre
Dame game where Kayleb Williams did notplay well and there are some things that
he did certainly wrong there, andthere there were mistakes that he made,
but still you watched the watch himplay in that game, and you actually
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I came away going, well,yeah, he's doing everything he can.
You know, he's climbing up inthe pocket, he's avoiding pressure when there's
too much pressure, and there was, there was too much pressure. There
weren't many guys open. But he'smaking decisive reads while being able to navigate
a tough pocket and being able todo those things. To me, that's
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all I need. That's all Ineed from a quarterback, and Daniels can
do that. Daniels. I thinkit's really good footwork. Daniels is a
great throwing motion. He can getthe ball out quick. So I love
that he has a very repeatable quickmotion, almost in a similar vein as
CJ. Stroud, and that isgoing to that is going to early on
have success for him, and it'sgoing to work for him early on.
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I don't know how he's going tohandle pressure. He's got the athleticism to
move around to the pocket, He'sgot the athleticism to escape the pocket and
to definitely outrun some edge rushers.Caleb Williams does as well, but also
has the ability to work within pocket. That makes guys like Patrick Mahomes really
good. Trevor Lawrence has that ability. Trevor Lawrence is an amazing ability to
move within the pocket well. Andwe know that's hurt some quarterbacks before Jalen
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hurts. His biggest issue and JalenHurts a really good quarterback. Don't want
this to be a I think JalenHurts his back. Jalen Hurts is a
really good quarterback, but one ofthe things that does hold him back from
being great elite is his pocket presence, and he doesn't move up in the
pocket. He does take bad sacks, he ends up escaping the pocket too
quickly and leaving some really good throwsand some open receivers on the field.
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Caleb Williams is not going to dothat, So I love Williams. I
think he lands in actually a reallygood situation. This isn't your typical number
one overall pick Chicago Bears. We'regood, have been good somewhat at least.
They've always had talent. It's coachingthat still could be a question mark.
But they have talent. They didvery well in the off season.
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Love the off season Chicago had,so they have a good offense around him.
I think Caleb Williams has a chanceto succeed early on. But all
of this, you know, CalebWilliams I'm not sure about. And Kayleb
Williams, you know, he mightnot be as good as people are advertising.
I don't know I see a legitquarterback in there. I think there's
too much that is put into hisplaymaking ability and him escaping the pocket making
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these crazy off platform throws. Hecan do that. I just think people
think that's the only thing he cando when there's too much evidence to suggest,
even in his bad game against NotreDame, too much evidence there to
say that he can't be a legitquarterback because he can. He's proven it
in USC, He's done it inUSC, and he'll be able to do
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it in the NFL. So thatis it for the line change again.
Next Jeff Kirk from coming on NFLDraft gonna be a ton of fun Sixers.
I'll just give this bet out.I like the Sixers. On Thursday,
I can't remember the number, butI know it was a number that
I liked. I can't remember itoff the top of my head. That's
not good. I should remember thenumber. But I like the Sixers.
I like the Sixers. I likethe Sixers. I think should be able
to win Game three. They've beeneither the same or better than the Knicks
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through the first two games, andit's been a lot of offensive rebounding,
the turnover battle. It's been thesmall things that the Knicks are winning.
I think that can flip though fora game, and I can think it
can flip in a game where theSixers are going to be at home.
So I do like the Sixers here, I laying the points. I like
them to win this game and Ilike them to end up going at least
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one to two in this series againstthe next Game four. I don't know
what I feel like. I don'tknow what. It depends on what I
see and obviously what MB looks likeand how healthy is going to be.
But as of right now, theBead's going to play. Everything seems pretty
good with his knee so far,even though he's definitely going through it.
You know that could obviously change atany point, but as of right now,
everything seems good. I like theSixers to win Game three in Philly.
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It is another episode of the LineChange. I don't know what number this
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Joining me right now though this isgonna be a five star episode. It
is Jeff Kerr of CBS Sports.I used to have Jeff on and again
I always tell this story when Ihave a guest evans open to In a
while, I used to host TheLine Change weeknights every day Monday through Friday,
(01:04):
and I add all these guests onthat I would talk to all the
time. And since I moved overand basically have been co hosting The Daily
Ticket, I haven't been able todo that as much. So I'm just
basically starting up this podcast to talkto my friends again. Jeff Parls was
the start of that, and nowall the way to Jeff curR. I
feel like it's been a few years. Jeff, you have just gotten bigger
and bigger and bigger over these fewyears. So appreciate you taking the time
(01:26):
to come back on this humble littlepodcast. He used to go on.
Appreciate that, Jeff, you knowwhat, Bigger doesn't always mean better,
though I will say that I'm sure, I'm sure in some cases, but
in your case, you are absolutelycrushing it. And this is when it
comes to draft season. I knowa lot of people for the NFL Calendar
ranked that as like number one ontheir favorite day of the sports you know,
(01:49):
sports calendar season? Is that isthat not You are not a draft
guy. You are not the biggest. This is not the favorite day for
you, not at all. I'mweird, right, So I like Edule
Day is my favorite day because thenyou actually know when people are playing.
Okay, free agencies too, Ilove free agency Schedule Day to me though,
in radio and sports radio specifically,is the worst day. Oh,
(02:10):
scheduled day is terrible. So Igot I got an inside tip on schedule
day for you, and I'll justshare it on here. You do know,
all the networks get the schedule likefive days before it happens, and
they fight for it, Like alot of the networks fight to get that
schedule just to habit. And Isay, look, I just wanted so
I can type it in, getsome work done early. You can just
(02:37):
get it done, get it readyto go. Yeah, exactly, Like
it's sad, Like I kind ofknow the Eagle schedule. You've got to
keep your mouth shut. It reallysucks. Top. Yeah. Well,
the thing was the the Green Baygame, that the Brazil game. That
was wild, the speculation that wasgoing on with that one, because for
the longest time it was everybody saying, Oh, it's Cleveland, it's Cleveland,
(02:57):
it's Cleveland. And to see teamA Division team. It's got to
be somebody like Cleveland, and thenhere it is Green Bay. And I'm
sure there are a lot of peoplethat sat on that for quite a lot.
Uh yeah, there were. Sowe were hearing Green Bay at the
owners meetings and Green Bay I gaveit away a couple of times. And
I know where ree Hurst did.And look, Reehurst was he wasn't wrong,
(03:19):
Like Cleveland was definitely in consideration reportand I think they they basically told
the players like, hey, youknow, just prepare for this right and
get ready for wow. Okay,so it's close to Cleveland. So so
yeah, it was here, GreenBay or Cleveland Pittsburgh in one they choose
the right one. No, Idon't know. I don't like that it's
a conference game. I don't likethat it's a it's an important conference game
in Brazil to start the season.Yeah, it's not like you're playing an
(03:39):
a two game schedule here, likeit's just one of ay two. This
is one of seventeen. And youknow the Eagles are losing the home game
to the Packers, which would bea big game. Like if it right,
it was Cleveland, if it's Pittsburgh, Okay, But exactly. That's
what I was. If you're gonnalose to Cleveland, fine, it's a
it's a non conference game, it'sit's a I know it's a home game
you lose, but again it's anconference a game that does matter. I
(04:01):
mean, you want to win allof your games, but not as important
as green Bay. The Eagles couldbe fighting for a wildcard spot with green
Bay, you know, the Eaglescould be fighting with seating with green Bay
and the fact that you get tolose that home game. Don't enjoy that
very much. But scheduling that scheduleis going to come out. So that's
your favorite day. Is that yourfavorite day of the offseason. I'm guessing
that's that's probably a better way toput it. Yeah, yeah, that's
my favorite day of the all season. So I'm going to get into why
(04:25):
I don't really like the draft.It's not the draft. I like the
draft. I like I think Iknow what it is. You want to
take a guess for exit, Iwant to say it's the draft people that
don't make it fun aspect the speculations, the absolute crazy nonsense that it's being
said on a daily I get tiredof being sold sometimes like, Oh,
(04:45):
you scare about this player, toscare about this player, to scare about
this player. You know, I'llcare about these players when they get drafted,
like you know, and look likeI like the draft in terms of
content, like I think it givesa lot of people opportunity. It's just
not my thing and that's fun,Like, it doesn't make me less of
a football evalutor. I just don'tlike to pretend I know everything. Yeah,
(05:06):
there's a lot of people that do. I don't pretend. So I'm
lucky enough that I like college football. So I haven't understanding that that's crazy.
There's not a lot of big there'snot a big college football contingent in
this area, Jeff, So Ineed I always. I didn't know you
like college football this much. SoI need to add you into the fight
for the good fight for college footballin Philadelphia as a now Heisman Trophy voter.
(05:30):
You know, I feel like Igot to fight that good fight for
you vote now I do. Yeah, I've been a voter for a couple
of years now, so I feellike I have to be an ambassador for
the city of Philadelphia for college football. I'll recruit you. I've voted I
voted for Jade and Daniels. Yeahthat's all. So, yeah, the
rest of my list, I can'tremember it now, but I know it
is. I think it was prettymuch the same with a lot of people
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kind of just fell to where,you know, I think it might have
been Daniels. I think I thinkI'm a Bonex over Pennix, and I
think those of the three, Ithink I think it was that close.
But yeah, I can't. Ican't remember exactly because I remember I think
bon Nick's numbers, his advanced metricslooked really good, and I was pretty
much captured by that. But yeah, it was Jade and Daniels. Good
to know that there's another college footballfanatic as well in the city of Philadelphia.
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That is always good to hear.You know what makes watching college football
tough for me now personally, soas you know, I went to Penn
State. I'm a big Penn Stateguy watching athlete ten football. I have
soured on college football really since thethird year of the playoff, when Penn
State bet Ohio State, and OhioState made the playoff in Penn State won
the conference and didn't I get that. I just don't understand how you can
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win a conference, it feels directionless. Yeah. Time. Yeah, and
you pick a team that didn't evenwin the division yell alone conference. Oh
you know, they're like, wellthey have played. I'm like, so
you're rewarding a team for not makingit the championship weekend, like if you
had twelve teams. I understand that, which I think is going to open
up things tremendously. Yeah. Ithink I think it does rectify that issue
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that you know you were going toget the conference winners and then you get
sort of the essentially the wildcards orin college football cases, the at large
bids into the playoffs. So Ido think it kind of fixes that issue
a little bit. We'll see ifit works. I mean, we'll see
if the college football the extended collegefootball playoff actually works. But I do
think it is a step in theright direction. To be honest with you,
it does feel like though it's everything'sgonna be big ten sec and like,
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yes, year, that's what That'swhat I'm afraid of. That's why
I'm not saying it's a success yetbecause I'm very afraid that's gonna happen.
Yeah. But yeah, it's fine, John, because I watch all these
kids in college, like especially alot of the Big ten kids, and
I'm just curious see where they're drafted. I don't need to do like a
player evaluation on I'm like when peoplesay to me, Malik Davers is better
than Marvin Harrison, I'm like,Okay, do you know who Marvin Harrison
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was catching balls from last year?I know, I feel like that stuff
doesn't get taken into account. Butalso it's I don't know, people just
try and plant their flag on acertain guy because it's their guy, and
they, you know, go toofar with it. Yeah, I just
I don't know. I feel likeevaluations are all over the place, nobody's
getting it right, and it canfeel almost like it's like sports betting in
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a way. I can feel toogatekeepy, Like when I have a take
on you know, JJ McCarthy orDrake May it's just like, oh,
well, no, you didn't seethis, or you didn't see this part
of the of a game or something. I'm like, okay, well I've
watched, Like I watched a tonof North Carolina, I watched a ton
of Jane Daniels, I watched aton of Kayla Williams. Like I know
these guys, I don't know.It just feels gatekeepy, and it feels
a little bit too too much ofthe toxic side of sports takes in sports
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arguments that I don't I don't appreciateanother thing too, Like so I've fant
season ticket spent States since my freshmanyear of college there. I don't miss
pet State football, especially yang.I didn't know that. Yeah, so
I don't miss a game, andI gotta make it up to a game.
My cousin went, and he wouldalways invite in my family to go
at least for one game a year, and I didn't. I didn't end
up going because I was at thesame time I was going to East Carolina,
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so that was kind of tough.But but East Carolina, like they've
had fun football. Yeah yeah,Lincoln Riley was there for a time when
I was there. Yeah, well, you know what I always say that
when Joe Brady started with showing like, yeah, defence, they have his
brad assistant wet that's right, yeah, Jo, And I'm still just speaking.
We're all over the place. Now, we'll get the draft. We
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got plenty of time for that.Joe Brady thumbs up thumbs down on Joe
Brady or in the middle of howwe did in Buffalo, because I know
there was some Certainly things got betterwith Buffalo, but there were still some
mixed feelings on them. Moving onfrom Ken Dorsey over to Joe Brady.
I've always been a Joe Brady guy. I feel like Matt Role kind of
scapegoated him. He was saying thathe wanted to be a run first offense
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when they had Chuba Hubbard as they'restarting running back because Christian McCaffrey was hurt.
So I feel like Joe Brady justkind of got scapegoated and Matt Rule
was already trying to look for answersthat never were there. But it was
kind of a mixed bag with Bradyand Buffalo. What is your reaction and
what have you been kind of justhearing on what everybody thought about Brady in
his time at Buffalo. I thinkthey need a full season with him to
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be honest with him. And againBuffalo is going to be you know,
we're talking about the draft. We'veassumed Buffalo going to Drant the wide receiver,
but they need offensive line help,they need some defensive line help.
They need some secondary help. Yeah. Yeah, And look, there's still
a good football team. It's justthey're kind of in no man's playing on
where they need to go because oftheir sour cap situation. Brandon Bean just
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did not do a good enough jobby handling a sour cap. And again
that's why if you're in Philadelphia,you're fortunate that Ali roseman, he knows
I'll do this stuff. But yeah, I mean you would think they need
a wide receiver at twenty eight.And again, I just need to see
more, right, And I likehow they use Jans Cook a lot on
the second half of the year.And the the Stefan Diggs stuff is what
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it is. Right, that guywas just being a pain, you know
one, and eventually you have toget rid of him. And look,
I think it's good for both partiesto move on. I mean, you
get to a point where it doesget frustrating and you know, guys just
need to move on. Not tosay like Diggs was frustrated. I'm sure
Alan was frustrated with him. Youknow, it's just time to move on.
That's okay. Sometimes, Hey,you got four you got four good
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years out of him, You gotdraft pack exactly. You got chances to
win. It's not like they didn't. They had great chances to win.
It's just Patrick Mahomes should beat theChiefs a couple of years ago. The
thirteen second thing happens. But youknow what, and I don't blame Josh
Allen for that. I don't blameSean mc dubbott for that, just the
way it is. And you know, they showed the loss of the home
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to the Bengals, not this year, the past years at home then they
did. You know, it's theygot to reset. But I still say,
as long as you have the quarterback, you have a chance to win,
and they got Josh Allen. Yeah. So I think one of I
think the favorite my favorite parts ofthe draft, and I'm sure it's yours,
because you don't like all of thekind of crazy circus surrounding the draft
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before it. But when we getinto the draft and we start to see
players land, that's where it becomesinteresting. So Buffalo is a team that
you just mentioned where you're kind ofinterested to see where it's heading with some
of these draft picks. What teamare you interested in the most to see
how they you know, what theirdraft plan is and what they end up
doing in the draft. What isa team that you kind of have your
eye on it. I'm really interestedto see what they do. There's a
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couple teams, So the Patriots areone because you keep here and they're going
to trade down for three. AndI really don't blame them if they're not
in love of a certain player andif certain teams are. The Minnesota Vikings
are one of those teams I'm intriguedby because I was literally told this from
a couple of people, the bestquarterback industryft might be the one who winds
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up at the Minnesota Vikings because ofthe talent around them. And I said,
it makes sense, honestly, becauseof the coach, Kevin O'Connell,
the receivers, you got Jefferson asAddison, you know, you got Aaron
Jones and running back it's yeah.And to expand further on that, you
know, to narrow down a specificquarterback. There's been I mean, obviously
a lot of smoke with the JJMcCarthy thing, but I do feel like
the what he did at Michigan andthe things that he excelled in at Michigan
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are kind of the same things thathe would be doing in the Minnesota offense.
It does. Does that just feellike I mean with Caleb Williams,
you're just he's going to Chicago becausehe's the best quarterback in the draft.
In Chicago's the number one pick.So it's not like a perfect match,
but you know you're getting the bestquarterback and that's that's where he's gonna land.
It feels like Minnesota is going tobe hand picking a quarterback that kind
of perfectly matches their system if theywere to do that with McCarthy. Yeah,
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and I've heard it, strike that'sthe guy. Wow. Yeah,
so that's the guy I've been hearing. By the way, I I love
how you brought up Kyle Williams.Don't you think, though, like I
know this has been talked about fora month, why people think Jayden Daniels
is better than that? I don't. I think people are afraid to put
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that on paper. Yeah, becauselast year I was the jerk who said
CJ. Stroud, Yeah, thatwas one. I remember that. I
wasn't I wasn't totally convinced on eitherof them being number one. I just
thought, you know what, BryceYoung has the pedigree if you take him
number one I don't. I don'tblame Carolina for doing. DJ Stroud is
the example for me. And again, this is why I get so mad
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at mock draft and I get somad at these draft knicks and all this
stuff. Just tell me where theseplayers are going, and I'll tell you
if they're going to be good ornot. Right, I don't think any
quarterback that gets drafted by the NewEngland Patriots or New York Giants is going
to be good. I don't.I don't care who would. Even if
I like the play, I justdon't think it's it's a good fit.
And I actually think it's really wiseif the Patriots straight down, because if
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they don't love a guy and theyneed a lot of help, a lot
of or a position, why notjust restock the cover. Yeah, I
feel like that's the direction they're goingto go, in the direction they should
go. So I agree with youthat. So you mentioned you mentioned the
Giants real quick, are they goingto go after a quarterback? Are they?
How? How in the market areyou are? Do you think that
they are for a quarterback? Like? Where is that on their list of
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I guess priorities. I think they'rein the market For one, I just
don't think they're in love with theguys that they might get. Like,
you know, if they draft jMcCarthy, just gonna laugh because that's not
gonna work. No, No,it's just not gonna work. There,
Drake May I think they like butdo they like them enough to move up
to three? I don't know.I honestly think this is what I would
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do. I would just stay it'ssick and drama, one of those wide
receivers and just say, you know, we'll go get that quarterback next year.
Yeah, I completely think so.And look, I say, if
you really like the quarterback, takeyour chance. Do it. I mean,
always, always do it if youbelieve in the quarterback. Because the
thing is that people don't understand isif a team believes in the quarterback,
but then they go on the otherside of that, go oh, I
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don't believe we can build a teamaround him. That's basically your admitting we
suck at this. Like, ifyou believe that you have found the quarterback
and you want the quarterback, yougo get him, and you believe and
you trust in yourself to build ateam around him. So I've been hearing
that a lot with the Patriots.You know, if they if they like
a quarterback, they still shouldn't doit because they don't have the talent.
But that's basically New England admitting,oh, yeah, we suck, we
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shouldn't get a quarterback. You know. I think they have to admit,
hey, if the quarterback's good enough, we should be good enough to build
a team around him. But Idon't know what team is going to land
on that, but go ahead.Yeah, then you get to the position
like the Giants' rim right, remembera couple of years ago they were six,
Well they took the best guy onthe board because of me, Like,
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no, you don't draft Daniel Jonesat number six. You dranft Daniel
Jones at number fifteen. You don'tdraft them at six. And you did
that, and by the way,you did get a good player in that
draft. You got Dexter Lawrence.That's probably where you should drafted Daniel Jones.
And then this, I think theirprocess of what a good quarterback is
that's now If that's it. Ifyou want to criticize that, yes,
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the Giants clearly did not know whatI think a good quarterback looked like you
was roomed me nuts about them whenthey paid Daniel Jones did. And again
this must be a New York fanbased type thing. They were hyping.
The fans were hyping him up likeyou had this wonderful year. I'm like,
you know, Jalen Hurts ran formore touchdowns than he threw, right,
Like, that's not good and youjust pat that guy forty million a
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year. I would have waited.I honestly paid safe one and oh yeah,
I mean, and that's what wasthe coggnat machine that ran at all.
I mean, he was the onethat really made that offense tick.
Ran to the ground. Yeah,they did, they did, They did
so I and I think them overpaying Daniel Jones certainly. I mean,
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that's not something that they kind ofalready understood that they got wrong just a
year later. And I think thatthey understand that they need a quarterback,
but you're right in that they haveto figure out if they like one.
And I don't know if I trustthe Giants to figure that out. But
you mentioned why receiver and wide receiver'svery good. I think a team that
is very wide receiver needy that Ireally like heading into the year. I
find most interesting right now is becauseof the spot that they're at, the
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potential of how many quarterbacks could betaken in the top five, and just
that they could get the player thatthey really I think would would elevate them,
and that's Arizona. They have thequarterback. I think that anybody that
says Kyler Murray's and a good quarterbackis just just ignoring the fact that he
was really good under a bad offensewith Cliff Kingsbury. I think Kyler Murray's
very good, and they have achance here to get him a great wide
receiver. But if there's a quarterbackavailable and a team wants to trade up,
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what do you think the Cardinals shoulddo. They're in a position here
where I understand that they to me, I would just take Marvin Harrison Junior
and get the great wide receiver.But they also another team that needs a
little bit more than that and couldtrade back. I think Arizona's in an
interesting spot. What do you thinkcould play out there with a number four
pick. Monte Austin Ford is probablythe biggest wild card in this draft,
because if you remember last year,they traded back and then they aggressively traded
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up and they got Paris Johnson,which I thought was a great pick for
them. You know what, Ikind of love about the draft though.
Everybody thought the Cardinals were going tobe the prime candidate to trade out of
four, and it looks like theyall have to now because everybody wants to
get ahead of the Cardinals because theyknow they don't need a quarterback. It's
you want to get the three oryou want to get the five. Yep,
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you don't want to get the four. So the Cardinals are they're in
golden land right now because they knowMarvin Harrison is going to be sitting there
honestly the biggest debate right or Pickett. Yeah, it's and you know what,
I feel bad for my friends outthere, Like I'm friends with the
phn X guys and a lot ofpeople at nine eight point seven Arizona Sports
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and Bob Camp and a lot ofthose guys, and we are just hearing
just rumors and rivers and rumors.Oh belief Davis and Baron Marvin Harrison and
Roman Baron Marvin Harrison. They're like, no, no, no, Marvin
is the guy. I am guaranteeingyou right now. Marvin Harrison is one
hundred percent the first wide receiver takingHe's absolutely he's the best wide receiver in
this draft. He might even bethe best player in this draft, as
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Marracks could be. I agree withthat. I agree with that. I
have no Daniel Daniel Jerri. Ihave know Daniel Jeremiah, but I I
have a big board too with MarvinHarrison's number. Yeah, I think,
uh, and you're a you're abig ten guy. You've seeing those games
close up, and it's just Imean, look at the the production that
he had. It was, itwas all over the place. It was
a vertical threat. It was takingsome of those short, flat routes and
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taking them to the house. BecauseCoyle McCord couldn't really do much in trying
to push the ball down the field, so they had to find any way
to get it to Marvin Harrison Junior. And guess what, Marvin Harrison Junior
made it work. And many manygames and in many different situations and in
many different, uh you know,different types of routes. I love Marvin
Harrison Junior, and I think lastyear U they honestly elevated him to me
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to be able to be productive inan offense with that kind of quarterback was
really special. I think that's aspecial kind of player. So where do
you think? What do you thinkof Arizona if they were to get Marvin
Harrison junior? Obviously some some otherthings to figure out. I don't know
if they were as active in freeagency as I wanted them to be.
But that's a team that I kindof have, you know, a sneaky
team on my radar that could youknow, I'm not saying win a super
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Bowl, but makes a noise,do better than they were last year,
compete, maybe get a wildcard spot. You know. I think Arizona is
in a in a good spot becauseKyler Murray's coming into the year healthy,
and I think they have a good, good offensive coach. I think Jonathan
Gannon did a really good job.This isn't a gimmicky, stupid Cliff Kingsbury's
offense. Good luck Jadon Daniels inWashington in that offense. I don't know
if it works in the NFL,but this is a big boy offense and
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Kyler Murray makes a big boy plays. Last year. They like Kyler Murray
a lot, and they they knewlast year was kind of a watch right
Like last year was like Okay,we're just gonna throw in tow We're gonna
stock the covered up with draft picks, and we're gonna see what we got
here until Kyler Murray comes back.And you saw they were at least a
confident team when Murray came back.They probably played their way out of the
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top two draft pick, but heended up working out anyway, Right,
Yeah, I mean, if theywere one or two, they'd be trained
down. I mean, let's justbe realistic here, but they do need
a wide receiver. They still needsome helping the offensive line. They definitely
need help in the pass ruge,like, they need help in the second
area. And and you know,and I think they know. It's just
not a good defensive draft, atleast at the top end where they're picking.
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So you don't draft the Byram Murphyor you know, a Quintin Mitchell
at four. So maybe that's whypeople are picking. They're trained down.
But you have a chance to getMaarin Harrison and really improved the wide receiver
position. Oh, by the way, you traded Rondell Moore if you moved
on from Hollywood Brown, like youneed this guy, Like I think the
number one wide receiver right now isGreg George if I'm not mistaken, Yeah,
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I think so. I think itis. Yeah, yeah, which
isn't good, no, but butyou know what, I love it out
there. Like so I had achance to talk to John again that the
Ords, and you know, rememberbe a little bit from Billy, and
he loves it out there, Likeit's just so different. It's just a
different vibe, it's a different atmosphere. You don't let people just breathing down
your next scene. You suck everyday of your life. Like Cardinals fans
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love this guy, like I thinkthey love I think there were some things
to love actually, Like I reallydo think Jonathan Gannon puts some stuff out
there, and especially schematically defensively,that was that was really impressive. You
know, that was certainly something Ithink Cardinals fans should be happy about it.
And you know what, don't befool people like he loved being the
Eagles last year. Oh yeah,he loved. Sure, he loved being
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a Super Bowl coach, you know, or going to the Super Bowl.
I'm sure he loved that. Butby the way that whole thing was blown
out proportion, I guess with oh, you know, he he didn't try
or this and that. First off, No, no coach in America.
If you're a coach, you tryto win everything too. Why would you
go back home and then fly backto Arizona? Would you do that if
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you had a driver interview in Arizonawhen you happen to be out there.
I don't like the way the Cardinalshanded it, Yeah, I think that's
more of where I'm at y.Yeah, but that's not his fault,
Like I don't know it's I'm nota defender of Johnthacganna by anything. I'm
a Jonathan Gannon defender. I havealways been. I thought he was good
with the Eagles. You know.I some things here and there that may
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may not have been great, Butyeah, I thought Jonathan Gannon was really
good. And again, you know, I see things like CJ. Strun
breaking down film and it was agame against Arizona and CJ. Stroud was
raving like they were giving me crazylooks. You know, this is an
odd look they gave me. Youknow, the talent's not there, you
know, but they I think JonathanGannon was making the most of the talent
he had and he was really doingsome interesting things defensively, with Arizona.
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That was a tougher defense than Ithink even the numbers kind of suggest that
was a really tough defensive play andit was. And you know what,
they always buckled down late, likethey would shut down the Eagles late too,
And I'm like, Okay, thejohnathang Gann knows Jalen Hurts probably isn't
the most mobile quarterback right now becauseit was me and he knows, like
there's this offense is dicombobulated, likeI know we're going on a John Pagann
tangent here, but that's what Iwas. Yeah, the Cardinals are looking
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at the as like a five yearthing, and look, I just like
the way they're handling things like that. They just kind of hit the reset
button. But they had the quarterback, so they may be rebuilding a lot
quicker. And people think, likeI'm not saying they're gonna be in games,
but no, no, no,I'm not either. But I think
I saw their win total like fiveand a half six, and I said,
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yeah, over, I could seean eight win team. I can
see that absolutely. You know what, that's stick with win totals, like
they're very deceiving, like it's it'swhat they're projecting, as you know,
and it's a good parometer in thelook at But there's a lot of teams
where I can honestly say in Baysometimes like I can tell you what they're
gonna be good, like I do, the Giants are gonna stuck. Last
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year, I actually said to theworst team, two of the worst teams
in football were gonna be the NewYork Giants, the New England Patriots and
and and I'll even have the CarolinaPanferson there. I thought they were gonna
be god awful. Last year.I'm better. I'm better at picking the
bandsas. Yeah, sometimes it's hardwith the good ones because I think even
the Eagles, like you can't youcan't predict what happened at the end of
that season, you know, ButI don't predict that. I know the
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Giants Ross is really bad and Iknow it's not ever going to be good.
I loved what the Texans did.If someone would have told me that
Texas would win the AFC South,I was out of here, like like
I would say, they probably wereeight games. But what they did last
year, it's amazing what happened together. Yes, I'll go in that direction
real quick. Since you brought upHouston, because Houston was aggressive last year.
They got the quarterback, they wentback in and got a top defensive
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end. Uh, they they theywere aggressive. Do you see any team
being aggressive? Like, what's themost aggressive team or is there anything we
will see like what what Houston didlast year? Because they they completely turned
their entire roster around, in theirentire franchise around through one draft, which
is pretty remarkable. It feels likethe Raiders could be aggressive, right,
Oh okay, because there was somesmoke about they were trying to trade up
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to too and there's still smoke aboutthat that they tried and Washington, I
don't play for what is gonna tellno because a quarterback. Look you know
what, I got to speak toDan Quinn a lot. The owners being
they are not trading out that spot. They're just not the like do you
And again I know the old saying, you love your you love your house,
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your wife loves your house. Butsomeone gives you an offer you can't
refuse on the house, pack up, honey, removing. Uh, the
Washington commanders are not moving. Theyreally like their house. And but the
Raiders, the Raiders and the Vikingsof the too watching because I think the
Vikings are gonna trade and the Vikingshave the trade up, and the Raiders
they gonna go to the year AO'Connell and Garner Minshew. I really think
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that. Yeah, no, they'renot going into and look, I like
some of the things they and O'Connelldid, and Garner Minshew's had some success
in the NFL. So that's it'sIt's not a Denver Broncos quarterback room,
but it's certainly one that needs thatneed something. This is why I would
hate to be a GM of afootball team. And this is why because
I'm arrogant enough. We're gonna stayat thirteen and Michael Pennix is gonna be
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there and we're gonna take him andwe're gonna laugh. But that's the problem
because if quarterback one, two,and three go off the board, yes,
mccarvey going, Oh, by theway, you got jump Denver.
That's the thing. Teams feel pressure. Teams will feel pressure like, oh,
we we gotta move up and geta quarterback. You know the quarterbacks
are going teams really want him.So yeah, I think you're right.
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It's just the pressure by the way. In my opinion, Panics is their
best player in this draft. Really. I I got Williams, Daniels,
Pennix met and I love men too. But where's Drake may going? If
he gets to the Vikings, Imight like it a lot more. Right
But but if we're just going onplayers and not where they're they're at right
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now, I gotta go Penis Manlike I loved watching Pendix last year.
And if Panx isn't hurt in theplayoffs, you might be it. This
stock might be hiring people think so, last question I have for you on
the NFL draft and for uh thisepisode of the line change. Yet I
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was about to say the last Cusheris going to be the Eagles, you
know, and you know why I'mnot. I guess I just say I'm
not interested. It's just it's Idon't know, it's they're they're towards the
bottom of the draft and it doesn'tI mean, they could still trade and
move up, they can get somebodyinteresting, but it's until it happens,
it's okay, well, who arethey going to draft the twenty two And
it's going to be a player that'sjust really good player, But it's not,
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it's not as fun as like whatthey were. Could they get Devonte
Smith, you know, could theyget Jalen Carter? That was exciting this
They had top ten pick last yearexactly. You know, it's a lot
different being in the twenties than itis, you know, top ten.
But that's also a good thing whenyou're in the twenties. It is well,
by the way, they had twofirst round picks last year, so
that even pretty exciting. So whatwhat do you think they do this year?
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Are they There's been a lot oftalk about them moving off of twenty
two, whether that's up or down. A lot of it seems to be
trending towards moving up in the draft. But what do you think the Eagles
do and what do you think they'relooking after? So well? I was
told and again multiple people haven't wroteit yet. I've tweeted it. You
saw my tweet yesterday. But theydo like the Alabama players, like Terry
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and Arnold, they like J.C. Lake is a smoke screen.
I don't know, but I doknow that they're probably gonna trade up to
get You're two of those guys.I know. They like Troy font New
from Washington I really like him too. I think he's the bug and play
white Guard week one if they chooseto. By the way, that stat
by MBO today, there's a reasonwhy Eagles pick offensive blindman early because they
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have a higher success rate of signinga second contract, which, by the
way, was an awesome job byhim. By I do have both personally,
great, great dude. Yeah,that's really that was really good to
see. That was really eye opening, I guess. And the other player
I don't know much about if they'reinteresting when Mitchell I've heard different reports,
not really sure. Arnold is Arnold. I've been hearing late than I've been
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hearing font New I've been hearing,and the wild card is late two because
and look, I know they reallylike lay two. But did their medical
people clearly too, so the otherone either the mostly the thing I've been
hearing is cornerback is defensive back?Where is that on the list of priorities
for the Eagles, Because I mean, it makes sense because Bradbury didn't play
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well and they could use some secondaryhelp. But also there's already you know,
some money tied up there, andthere's some other places that you can
look for with the Eagles, andthey always look offensive line, and they
could use some offensive line help withKelsey retiring and you know, wanting to
add more depth there. But wherewhere's cornerback on the list of priorities,
I would say it's probably second orthird, maybe time for second. Like,
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look, I think they still prioritizeedge rusher and they didn't have to,
but the son ridd again, Lookand think a guy like Lay two,
I'll be more for that because Ithink he's and look, I'm not
disrespecting Dallas Turner here, but Ithink Lay two might be a better pass
rusher than Dallas cern and I thinkJerry first might be a better pass rusher
than Dallas her. But if theycould get Verse late to trot Robinson,
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that's a good haul. Like ifthey can't get any one of them,
look they got Or that's a greatpick for them, if that's the guy
they're target Sam with Quinon Mitchell,great pick for There's a lot of guys
that they need that are going tofall between twelve and nineteen, and they
can trade up and get one ofthem. It's just who's gonna be there,
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right. I still say their biggestneed obviously is linebacker, but they
don't care about that, and theyshould. That's why is there a chance?
Is there a chance for Jeremiah TrotterJunior at some point? I don't
think he's that good. That's probablyI do so I think he's going to
be a second round pick and maybemaybe third round because I know he's undersized
and teams don't like that. That'swhy na Kobe Dean fell. But there
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are some other skills that he hasthat are good. But yeah, I
agree with you, like I don'tthink he should have been a first round
pick or is going to be one. But is that I don't know.
Jeremiah True Junior has the name.He's a player that I don't know if
the Eagles would be willing to paytoo much of a premium for. But
is there a chance for something likethat to happen? I know linebacker they're
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probably gonna take at some point,but I just want to ask about Trotter
Junior specifically, because obviously that wouldbe a big thing for the city just
because of the name and who hisdad was. Yeah, I mean,
I think there'd be immense amount ofpressure though. That's that's the thing.
It's almost like when and look,I know it wasn't this is a comparison,
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but I'm gonna make it one CaseyMatthews. Like they're like, oh,
it's bar of Clay Matthews and thisguy was playmaker in college. I'm
like, he's okay, Like hewas okay in college, he was okay
in the pros. But everybody maylook like he was gonna be better on
what he was. And look,this is what I think is gonna be
really tough tod to Jeremi Triers jewwhat the hell does this fan base see?
I say of Rogers, that isgonna make him the same, right,
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I don't know if he's good anymorebecause he hasn't played football. It's
there's a better chance. I sayRodgers doesn't make the team then makes a
significant impact, and again it couldbe completely wrong. I haven't seen the
guy play football in two years.But look, he was suspended all last
year and does take a toll.I don't think Alvin Ridley's been the same
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player since he's been back. Nowhe's got another year, so their offense
we'll see, But I think there'sa lot of pressure to the drafta Trier's
kid and there's batter linebackers, likethere's Edrin Cooper, there's s Travan Wallace,
there's other good linebackers. Yeah,the kid from Michigan. You know,
there's a lot of players that arebetter than him. And I mean,
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look, if he's there in thefourth round, you want to draft
him. It's a it's a lotteryto get that point. That is Jeff
Kerr and Jeff, let everybody knowwhere they could find your work, where
they can find you online in socialmedia. Just let everybody know what you
got going on. You can findme at Jeff Kerr, CBS on X.
I still call Twitter, i stillcall her a Yeah. Yeah,
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Twitter is a great Name's awesome.Going to tweet, it's a tweet,
it's not a post. I'm notyeah, exactly, I'm not reposting.
I'm retweeting. I'm retweeting. That'sthe point, by the way, that
that site's going to you know what, But yes, I stick my case
there. But yeah, you canfind my work on CBS Sports dot com.
I'll have a bunch of Eagle stufffor the draft. I'm planning to
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be at the Novercare Complex on FridayThursday. I got a bowling playoff match,
and I'll be doing both. Iam one of those excellent multitaskers,
and I'll probably while watching the draftand it just frustrates people because they're so
cutthroat, and I'm just like,I'm cutthroat, but I'm like, Okay,
yeah, I could do a littlebit of both. Yeah, exactly,
(34:40):
I can do both. It's it'sone of those skills I've acquired.
But yeah, and I'll We're havinga draft special on CBS Philly Saturday.
Expected to be on that, Soyou can find me on CBS Philly if
you actually want to watch his faceon TV. I don't know why you
would. I certainly not. Well, I would hopefully are going to be
on CBS Philly. Always good totalk with you. It's been a while,
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so hopefully these conversations can happen alot more. But Jeff, thank
you for coming on. More ofthe line Change coming up next being on
the line Change. Always great talkingwith Jeff, and uh yeah, a
lot of a lot of good insightthere on the NFL Draft, Jeff being
an owners meetings and talking to someof these people that, Yeah, the
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the Eagles certainly looks like they're stillwith the SEC. I I feel kind
of indifferent about that. So Iunderstand that if the Eagles are going to
be looking, you know, atreally good players, that yes, inevitably
that comes with Georgia players, Alabamaplayers. They're recruiting incredibly good blue chip
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prospects that teams are gonna fall inlove with and be and those those guys
are really talented. I just hopethat it's not too much of a of
a of a strict bias towards SECplayers, because you can also get those
wrong. Those guys aren't always thebest. You can find good players in
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other leagues. I watch college footballa lot. They are good players all
over the place. And I don'tknow if this is because maybe how he
got burned by the Jalen Rager draftpick. I know back of the day
he got burned by Marcus Smith comingout of Louisville. I know he's gotten
burned by that. But trust thatyou are a good evaluator and you can
evaluate and get players good players fromother teams other than Alabama and Georgia.
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I'm just I don't know if that'sthe case. I'm not going to speculate
and say, yeah, Ali Rosemanjust has this bias towards the SEC.
He doesn't trust his draft process.He just trusts, well, these guys
are really good programs, they're goodplayers. Should we get those guys.
I think there should be more tothat, but I don't know if that's
exactly how it's being done. Justthe optics kind of looked that way,
and it seems like it could behappening again from what Jeff Kerr was telling
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us, and also, yeah,I am I'm more and more. I
don't know if I am a JJMcCarthy guy. I don't know if I
think that McCarthy has the ceiling thatit would say, let's just say a
ceiling that I think maybe Jane Danielshas definitely a ceiling that I don't think
Drake May has. Drake May hasan unbelievable ceiling. It's raw potential and
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a lot of raw footwork. Ithink he's a solid decision maker, but
it's more of just getting everything inline, getting the mechanics in line,
getting his process in line, andI think just letting the raw tools take
over. I think that could bethe case because I think Anthony Richardson kind
of a bit of the same case. Even though I don't think there was
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all that much wrong with Richardson,it was more of the offense, which
Drake May did have those issues aswell. His offense wasn't nearly as good
as it was the previous year,so we had to deal with those issues.
He had to deal with the teamthat wasn't as good offensively, So
he was going to take a hitproduction wise, and it was going to
lead to some bad things. ButI you just watch them, and you
do see somebody that's just a littlebit more raw, and it could be
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maybe in line to what Richardson was. And we saw Richardson right away lands
in a good situation in Indianapolis,a good offense with Shane Steiken that has
worked with Jalen Hurts, and Richardsoncould have worked and done the same things
that Hurtz did, and I thinkto do some things better just because of
the raw tools. And Richardson succeededearly on, and it wasn't a large
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sample size, but very clearly succeededand looked like a starting NFL quarterback.
Drake May, if he lands inthat right situation, could be the same
thing. Again, I think it'svery similar to an Anthony Richardson. And
maybe I'm too much too down onsome of the potential that Drake May has
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early on to succeed in his career. But I do like the overall long
term, this guy's got everything,So I do like Drake May. But
Daniels I think a little bit morepolished at this point. Caleb Williams is
polished, by the way. AndI was seeing this video Nate Tys put
it out and May Tyson one ofmy favorites, a big fan of Nate
Tice, and he heard a commentof saying, well, nobody or Drake
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May or Jayden Daniels. I thinkit was Jaden Daniels does not have the
film the bad film that Caleb Williamsdoes. In a game like the Notre
Dame game where Kayleb Williams did notplay well and there are some things that
he did certainly wrong there, andthere there were mistakes that he made,
but still you watched the watch himplay in that game, and you actually
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I came away going, well,yeah, he's doing everything he can.
You know, he's climbing up inthe pocket, he's avoiding pressure when there's
too much pressure, and there was, there was too much pressure. There
weren't many guys open. But he'smaking decisive reads while being able to navigate
a tough pocket and being able todo those things. To me, that's
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all I need. That's all Ineed from a quarterback, and Daniels can
do that. Daniels. I thinkit's really good footwork. Daniels is a
great throwing motion. He can getthe ball out quick. So I love
that he has a very repeatable quickmotion, almost in a similar vein as
CJ. Stroud, and that isgoing to that is going to early on
have success for him, and it'sgoing to work for him early on.
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I don't know how he's going tohandle pressure. He's got the athleticism to
move around to the pocket, He'sgot the athleticism to escape the pocket and
to definitely outrun some edge rushers.Caleb Williams does as well, but also
has the ability to work within pocket. That makes guys like Patrick Mahomes really
good. Trevor Lawrence has that ability. Trevor Lawrence is an amazing ability to
move within the pocket well. Andwe know that's hurt some quarterbacks before Jalen
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hurts. His biggest issue and JalenHurts a really good quarterback. Don't want
this to be a I think JalenHurts his back. Jalen Hurts is a
really good quarterback, but one ofthe things that does hold him back from
being great elite is his pocket presence, and he doesn't move up in the
pocket. He does take bad sacks, he ends up escaping the pocket too
quickly and leaving some really good throwsand some open receivers on the field.
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Caleb Williams is not going to dothat, So I love Williams. I
think he lands in actually a reallygood situation. This isn't your typical number
one overall pick Chicago Bears. We'regood, have been good somewhat at least.
They've always had talent. It's coachingthat still could be a question mark.
But they have talent. They didvery well in the off season.
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Love the off season Chicago had,so they have a good offense around him.
I think Caleb Williams has a chanceto succeed early on. But all
of this, you know, CalebWilliams I'm not sure about. And Kayleb
Williams, you know, he mightnot be as good as people are advertising.
I don't know I see a legitquarterback in there. I think there's
too much that is put into hisplaymaking ability and him escaping the pocket making
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these crazy off platform throws. Hecan do that. I just think people
think that's the only thing he cando when there's too much evidence to suggest,
even in his bad game against NotreDame, too much evidence there to
say that he can't be a legitquarterback because he can. He's proven it
in USC, He's done it inUSC, and he'll be able to do
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it in the NFL. So thatis it for the line change again.
Next Jeff Kirk from coming on NFLDraft gonna be a ton of fun Sixers.
I'll just give this bet out.I like the Sixers. On Thursday,
I can't remember the number, butI know it was a number that
I liked. I can't remember itoff the top of my head. That's
not good. I should remember thenumber. But I like the Sixers.
I like the Sixers. I likethe Sixers. I think should be able
to win Game three. They've beeneither the same or better than the Knicks
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through the first two games, andit's been a lot of offensive rebounding,
the turnover battle. It's been thesmall things that the Knicks are winning.
I think that can flip though fora game, and I can think it
can flip in a game where theSixers are going to be at home.
So I do like the Sixers here, I laying the points. I like
them to win this game and Ilike them to end up going at least
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one to two in this series againstthe next Game four. I don't know
what I feel like. I don'tknow what. It depends on what I
see and obviously what MB looks likeand how healthy is going to be.
But as of right now, theBead's going to play. Everything seems pretty
good with his knee so far,even though he's definitely going through it.
You know that could obviously change atany point, but as of right now,
everything seems good. I like theSixers to win Game three in Philly.
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