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Identity over issues and ideology is what drives the left and Karine Jean-Pierre's lack of awareness of her failure personifies it.  A national leftist movement targets Waukesha Catholic Memorial High School.  A Waukesha County judge goes soft on a wrong-way drunk driver who injured a cop.  And a blast from the past: an appearance by "Deep Throat."

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
I think I have a segment here that will offer
a very revealing insight into how leftists think. Let me
set it up for a second. One of the things
that I've commented on is just the number of issues
at which liberals have created totally new positions to adopt

(00:48):
that they never held even a few years ago. Some
it was a gradual change. It used to be that
the party that was most opposed to illegal immigration was
the Democrats because the unions were threatened by cheap labor
coming in to steal away good paying unionized jobs. And
it was Republicans that kind of looked the other way
because a lot of businesses were happy to get this

(01:11):
cheap labor. That's an issue that they've clearly shifted on.
But look at how they've abandoned women's rights and instead
embraced whatever trans rights are, allowing men to compete against
women in sports and so on. That's a rather brand
new position for them to take. In the meantime, Trump

(01:31):
has moved to the middle and any number of issues
and has adopted positions that used to be, if anything, liberal,
in particular his strong belief in negotiation as opposed to
the use of military force and so on. It makes
you wonder what's going on in the leftist mind. And

(01:52):
I think I have some insight here for them identity
And this part's not new. We all know that they've
been consumed by identity politics. White people are terrible, men
are terrible, toxic, masculinity, white privilege, all of this stuff.
They are consumed by identity over two other eye words

(02:14):
issues in ideology, the identity, the who they are, not
what they think, but who your background, your racial identity,
how you identify in terms of your gender and your
sexual identity. All of that, all of it Trump's issues

(02:36):
and ideology. Let's go back to the Kamala Harris campaign.
You know, before she lost to Trump, liberals were very
confident she was going to win. Remember all the statements
that are made. One of the greatest campaigns in presidential history.
I remember watching the battle axes on the view in
a clip clip was played by every conservative podcast through

(02:59):
out there because after the fact that just showed how
stupid these people were, and they were bragging about how
incredible Kamala's campaign was. In one of the commenters said,
one of the women of the view said, maybe it
was on MSNBC. She even got Queen Latifa to endorse her.
Queen Latifa never endorses is if that meant something? Or

(03:21):
the fact that she paid Beyonce for an endorsement, Well,
Beyonce is someone that African Americans identify with, that women
identify with. All of this is the identity her own
obsession with creating this fake backstory of her life. I
worked at McDonald's, I struggled on the streets, and then
claiming every racial identity that she can come up with,

(03:44):
all of an identity, identity, identity, and her statement recently,
I'm the most qualified kennedyate ever to run for president.
And she based this on simply the jobs that she had,
not anything that she did in any of those jobs.
Y is what drives them, Which brings me to this
example that I want to share here to open up

(04:10):
the podcast, and I'll tease it before I give you
a little euline information here in the following way. It's
an old joke about a guy who falls out of
the upper deck in a football stadium and lands in
the end zone and thinks he's scored a touchdown because
he's in the end zone. The point of the joke

(04:30):
is that someone, because they got something, thought that they
did something to deserve it, or that they were special
simply because they got that. There's been zillions of other
examples of it. Anyway, I'll come up with my specific
case that I want to talk about, which is kind
of hilarious in addition to be revealing in just a

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Carrine Jean Pierre. She's written a book, so she's out
there on a book tour. The downside for her is

(05:35):
if you write a book and you want to publicize
the book, you have to go and do interviews that
if we've learned anything. The one thing in life that
she's terrible at is answering questions, which means she was
really ill suited to have a position of answering questions. Now,
I think KJP has to be given cut some slack,

(05:55):
only because she was being asked to defend the indefense
of everything under Biden was a disaster and Biden was
breaking down mentally and everyone knew it, and she had
to get up there and lie and say that it
wasn't Inflation exploded out of control, and she somehow had
to be claiming that this wasn't a bad thing. Twenty

(06:17):
million people were crossing the border illegally, war was breaking
out all over the world. Everything was going to hell.
It'd be hard for somebody who was good at it
to defend this, much less her, and she was terrible.

(06:40):
So in her attempt to salvage her image, she came
out after the election and said, I'm not a Democrat anymore.
I'm just gonna describe myself as an independent. And now
she's written this book and she's of course doing interviews,
and they're only on the friendliest possible sources. I mean,
she just bopping from one MSNBC show to another, and

(07:00):
then a CNN show and then going over to really
really lefty podcasts, but even there they have to ask
her something. Now the following cut and I want you
to listen to it closely, because I say, you just
get I think, an insight into leftism. This is on
MSNBC where the coach, the host rather throws her a

(07:25):
softball on the way she handled her job. It's not
just that she ducked the question, it's what she said.
So I want you to listen to this closely.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
I'm look, it's a simple no, no, no, because you're
asking for a yes or no question.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
I want to put some context to it too.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I woke up every day. I woke up every day
very proud to be the White House pre Secretary.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
I woke up every.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Day as a as a black woman who is queer,
who had never no one had ever i've seen someone
like me at that podium, standing behind that lectern. It
was an honor and a privilege to have that job,
and I did it to the best of my abilities.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
That's her answer.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
No.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
What he asked her is is there anything you would
have said differently? And her response is it's the same
answer she's giving constantly. It's the same statement always, I'm
black and queer. I'm black and queer. She can't stop
saying that sentence. And nobody's ever seen anyone like me

(08:33):
in that job. Nobody's ever seen anyone who's black. No
one has ever seen anyone who's queer. If you're wondering
what the identification of queer is, that's one of those
terms that went from being a slur to something that
has been embraced by people who have an alternate sexual identity.
The one that she's describing she has and she self

(08:53):
identifies as queer, and she uses that word constantly. But
did you see her answer? None of this? Could you
have done a better job? Said, I got that job.
That was not how you did it. And I got
that job. She's the person who fell out of the
end zone, fell out of the upper deck and landed
in the end zone and thinking she scored a touchdown
just because she got there. The how well she did

(09:16):
is not doesn't matter. She's saying she is a success
because she was seen doing this, even if she was
utterly incompetent at it. You see therefore in that answer,
the way she expresses herself that what matters is her identity.
I am black and I am queer, and I was
the White House Press secretary, which, when you think about it,

(09:38):
is the reason she got that job. People have raised
this question, and you'll hear in a segment here reference
to it. John Kirby was the other guy who did
the White House press briefings, white guy. He was better
at it than her. But Joe Biden didn't want a
boring white guy, and Democrats don't want a boring white
guy out there. They wanted somebody with her frizzy, curly
hair and all of different identities. As she keeps obsessively saying,

(10:03):
she won't shut up as I'm black and queer, I'm
black and queer, I'm black and queer, again and again
and again. Pus said, what does that matter? But that's
my point. It is all that matters to them, just
as from Kamally Harris's perspective, So what if Beyonce doesn't saying,
so what if I have to pay somebody to endorse me?
I have her endorsement. I'm the first to do this.

(10:28):
I'm the first to do that. Nowhere in any of
that equation does what you think, or what you do,
or whether you were successful coming and play to it.
Now here's the next cut. She gave that answer, and

(10:48):
other leftists are very, very uncomfortable trying to defend it.
Let's go over to another network, Jake Tappers on CNN,
and they've got one of their Tolkien conservatives on the panel.
Her name is Katy Miller. She's a podcaster, and Katie Miller,
of course, is mocking the idiotic answer that Kamala Herris Gabe.

(11:12):
And you're going to hear in this cut, the back
and forth in which Jake Tapper his best defensive her is, well,
before she got that job, she didn't seem like an idiot.
He doesn't even deny that she's an idiot. But I
want you to listen through and listen to what happens
after Katie Miller responds to Jake Tapper.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
What I think you're seeing and what Karen is attesting
to is that she is quite incompetent to do the
job right. This is what Republicans have been saying for
years now. Is that she is just another evidence that
DEI doesn't work. Whether that's in the White House in
your press secretary role, or whether that's a you know,
an air traffic controller, an air pilot, whether that's your doctor.
You know, you want to hire the best for the role,

(11:52):
not just based on skin color. Jake, why did she
get the job over John Kirby. She used to be
a commentator on CNN, then two was one on MSNBC,
and she was.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Good at that.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Like I mean, I'm without getting into the job.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
I thought she did as Press secretary.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
I thought it didn't seem crazy to me because she
was eloquent as a as a commentator. Why she trained
every four sentences to say she is a black, queer
LGBTQ woman, because that's how she's been promoted her entire career. Anyway,
Katie Miller and Karen Finny, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
That interview was then ended. He moved on prematurely because
Tamper was so uncomfortable when Katie Miller said, why does
KJP always say every four sentences she's black, queer, lgbt
LGBTQ plus Tamper was very uncomfortable with the term queer

(12:48):
coming out of Katie Millard's mouth, even though it's the
term the KJP uses herself. Paul said, in one of
my references, I said Kamally Harrison, not Karine Jean Pierre.
So if I did that, all of the someone talking
about KJP anyway. So Jake Tapper himself is very, very
uncomfortable with somebody who isn't self identifying as queer using

(13:12):
that term, even though all she was doing is drawing
attention to the fact that KJP herself will not shut
up about it. And the point that Katy Miller was
making is this is what DEI is, identity over any accomplishment.
She was the ultimate DEI higher, not because she was
going to be any good at her job, because she
was all of these things. It's the same thing that

(13:35):
led to all of these incompetent leftist hacks being named
president of Ivy League universities. It's all over. So I
think you see in this illustration how people on the
left are only concerned with identity in terms of issues.
They don't know where they stand, which is why they

(13:55):
will change on a dime when their leadership tells them to.
None of them are socialists until they decided they were socialists,
and then they're all socialists. They used to all hate
anti Semitism until they became anti semitic, and now they're
all anti semitic. The issue doesn't matter. They don't know

(14:15):
what to do on anything because nothing they ever do works,
so they don't know what to think. They do what
they're told and focus merely then on identification, which is
why the things that trip their trigger is when they
get to rip an identification that they don't embrace, like masculinity,
toxic masculinity, white privilege. We don't even know what those

(14:36):
terms mean, but we do know is they're saying we're not.
That identity is to them the be all and the
end all. I want to move to a local story.
There is now national backlash being directed against a school
in the Milwaukee area. Here's the backstory. Heard me reference

(15:00):
it a couple of times on past podcasts and all demand.
In the city of Wauka Shaw, Rico Camacho posted a
weekend and a half ago, now about two weekends ago,
that there was an ice raid underway in downtown Waka
Shaw and freaked out all sorts of people. There wasn't

(15:21):
an ice raid. Don't walk a Shaw. There. Ice wasn't
in downtown walker Shaw. The whole thing was wraw. What
was going on is a private security company was having
a drill and some people saw this privates and they're
probably wearing security company unions, and somehow in their goofed

(15:44):
up mindsn this is Ice didn't even do with immigration
or anything. It was simply a drill that of privates.
And I don't know if they were, you know, drilling
on what to do in a terror or whatever it was,
but they're just doing a drill. That's all it was.
In this idiot Camacho goes on social media it says
there's an ice raid underway in downtown Waukeshaw. He apologized

(16:06):
for putting out his misinformation, but he also got fired
from his full time job, which is he was a teacher,
just hired in August at Waukeshaw Catholic Memorial. They haven't
said why he was fired, but they've implied that he
violated their social media policy, which numerous employers have. We
have one here. There's any number of things that if

(16:29):
I said on social media can get me canned. Anyway.
Since this has occurred, there's now a national backlash. It
started with the lawyer for the butcher of Shadey Robinson,
Anthony Cotton, started raising a stake. So he's now moved

(16:50):
from defending somebody who sliced up an African American woman
to defending a person who tried to panic the community
that there was an ice raid going on. Cotton said
that this is terrible that Camacho got fired. Okayme made
a mistake and he shouldn't Nobo, you shouldn't get fired
for this. In the meantime, move on dot org, big

(17:12):
time national leftist organization, has a nationwide petition. It's all
of our social media demanding the Catholic Memorial be targeted.
They want to target the donors to Catholic Memorial and
demand a boycott of donations until Catholic Memorial reverses this decision.
All right, A lot to unpack here, regardless of whether

(17:35):
or not what Camancho said was a fireable offense from
his teaching position. I've said on my show and now
my podcast a zillion times. I'm just telling you a
zillion times, the left condition out. They can't take it.
Do you realize how many people on the right have
had their careers ruined because of some dumb thing they

(17:58):
said on social media. And every time somebody on the
right says something that's slightly askew on social media, the
left demands our heads, and it has been pointing out
forever they better think about the consequences of this every

(18:19):
single thing you do on social media as a career ender,
because it might at some point be turned against them.
When you take a look at the number of people
on the right who have suffered terribly because of a
social media comment, and you could say, well, they deserve
to suffer, they didn't. The list goes on forever, and

(18:40):
it's almost always someone on the left. In this case,
you have an individual who's got public figure in terms
of being an Alderman and a public profile in terms
of being a school teacher, either recklessly and dangerously spreading
false information. We're told didn't even see it himself, that

(19:01):
somebody just told him, which got into go and jump
and claim something factual was going on. You live by
the sword, you die by the sword. And it's the
left that has created these rules that if you say
anything at all that is wrong on social media, your
career is wiped out. It will be interesting to see

(19:24):
if Catholic Memorial caves the Mega movement, Trump and so
on has done a much better job than we conservatives
have done in the past in dishing it out to
the left. And as you can see, they can't take anything.
Every time Trump or anytime anybody in Mega goes after

(19:45):
anybody on the left, they squeal in horror. But the
left is still better at applying the pressure. So we'll
see whether or not Catholic Memorial caves that the lefties
are going out after them. Interestingly, of the two positions

(20:08):
that he obviously Catholic Memorial, it's a Catholic school and
so on. They don't expect their teachers to go out
and make false statements that are damaging statements and dangerous
statements on social media. Are not allowed to do it,
without regard to whether or not he's an all of
it or not. But it was certainly a greater breach
of his responsibility as an official of the city. If
there was an ice raid going on, which there wasn't,

(20:29):
he should keep his mouth shut and support a law
enforcement agency that's conducting a law enforcement operation in his
own city. It is also another indication of how the
left just loses its marbles on anything pertaining to wise
to the point now that they are going nuts over ice.

(20:51):
What it is? It even ice? Somebody's an it's ice.
There's all these like you watch these YouTube videos. There's
all these people. This has become a thing to be
a police impersonator. Now there's a build in the Wisconsin legislation,
you do up the penalties for it. In most states
that there isn't much of a penalty for. It's a
very dangerous thing. You know, somebody's driving around with a
car that looks like a cop car, and we're in

(21:11):
a uniform that looks like a cop uniform and having
a badge on that looks like a cop badge, and
having the gun bill down that looks and it can
be very very dangerous if the person is not a
real cop and is out to do harm to people.
I think that these rent a cops might, these fake
cops out there might want to consider some of these
lefties are gonna think you're ice and they're gonna come

(21:33):
and try to try to finish you off because they
think they see someone in a uniform, they think it's ice.
Oh yes, poor Walmart security, what that's ice? Over there,
the Walmart head. I'm just the Walmart security guy. Let

(21:53):
me update you on another story. I have a problem
with the way this one's been handled. This deals with
an automobile crash that occurred earlier this year. In fact,
it was Super Bowl Sunday. It occurred in Wakashaw County.
A guy went to a bar and got himself blasted
watching the Super Bowl. According to the criminal complaint, he

(22:14):
said he had about admitted he had about six drinks
at a bar. Then he went over to another bar
and had another four. He ended up driving the wrong
way on Moreland Road in New Berlin. Moreland Road is
a north south People confused Moreland Road with Moreland Boulevard,
but Moreland Road runs right to the middle of Brookfield

(22:35):
and then New Berlin to the south of Brookfield, goes
all the way down I forty three and beyond and
so on. It is a major thoroughfare, and a good
chunk of it is divided. He was going the wrong
way on Moreland and crashed into a New Berlin squad

(22:56):
car the guys from Muskego. My guess is he was
headed home to misqus Ego bombed and crashed head on
going the wrong way into a squad car. They tested
his blood alcohol content and it comes back at point
one six, which is double the legal limit for drunk driving.
The other thing on these tests is the blood test

(23:17):
often is taken. It could take up to two to
three hours. The blood test. That's not what you blow
in on the side of the road. The blood test
is they have to take you to a hospital and
do a blood draw, and that's after you're arrested. Sometimes
it's after your book. It can take a fair amount
of time. At another of any event, he was way
over the limit. He's on the wrong side of the freeway.
When this story initially occurred, the reaction is this is
again somebody there can't read English. How are they on

(23:40):
the right? And it wasn't. It's a guy who knows
the area. He was just that drunk, he's going the
wrong way and drove head on into a police car.
The officer was injured, but not severely broke a finger,
banged up. The case was resolved in Walkashaw County Circuit Court.
One of the newer judges he was he's a non incumbent.

(24:03):
He ran unopposed and was elected in April I have
a problem with all these judges that are unopposed, in
particular when they're running. The first time, he ran as
a Conservative and he is endorsed by all the Conservatives.
He handled this case. There was a plea bargain in
which the defendant his name is David A. Scott. And
again David Scott's a very common name. This guy lives

(24:25):
in Muschigo. He's fifty seven years old, and he's the
one who did it. So if you know a David Scott,
don't assume that it's this one. This is a A.
Scott from Muskego. He pleaded guilty to some charges and
others were dismissed, but read in read in means the
judge can consider them at sentencing. He was also charged
with bail jumping after the arrest, but those charges always

(24:50):
get dismissed. There's no reason at all, so far as
I can tell, for anybody to follow the conditions of
their bail because they never do anything. Is somebody who's
accused of bail jumping if they're then convicted of the
other offense. Among the charges that were ready in our
second are three counts of second degree recklessly endangering safety
and one count of causing an injury while operating with

(25:11):
a pac over the legal limit. He pleaded guilty to
second or more offense of OWI causing injury and second
degree recklessly endangering safety. So second offense OWI with the
enhancer of causing injury and then second degree recklessly endangering safety.
Those are both felonies. In other words, he was, even

(25:36):
after the plea bargain, convicted on serious charges and the
case was aggravated in terms of the impact. Here he's
not only going the wrong way while drunkey hits a
vehicle at squad Kinn the cop was hurt. The judge
in the case is Scott Wagner, brand new judge again.
The guy ran as a conservative in maybe he is,

(25:58):
Maybe he isn't. I admit I, oh, didn't know much
of anything about him when he ran the sentence four
months in jail, four months the rest probation. No, this
isn't just drunk driving. It's a repeat offense. But secondly,

(26:21):
it's drunk driving on the wrong side of the road.
We had drove straight into a vehicle. It hurt the driver,
who happened to be a cop. Four months. He's lucky.
The cop didn't die because obviously then you're talking lengthy
prison but four months, so it's too early to make

(26:47):
a permanent decision on this new judge Wagner. But my
first impression of him is is that he's a clown
show who said that he was a conservative and then
can't pull the trigger when he has somebody who was.
I mean, I just think people are fed up with
these cars going the wrong way on the freeway, wrong
way on the roads, and so on. It's happening all
the time, and in this case, by his own admission,

(27:08):
he was drinking like crazy four months. So this guy
over there is judge. There's a lot of judges named Wagner.
This is Scott Wagner Walker Shaw County. He's unnoticed. He
seems to be auditioning to be to displace Ralphie Ramirez

(27:30):
as the biggest clown showed judge and Walker Shaw Cony.
I think this sentence is a disgrace. I don't think
that the guy needs to spend ten years in prison,
but it was beyond mitigation. There's numerous factors that led
up to this and it resulted in an individual of
all the people that are getting themselves blasted on Super

(27:50):
Bowl Sunday. There weren't many of them that managed to
on Moreland Road, go the wrong way and drive into
a cop four months four months? Should I say four months?
One more time? Paul said, maybe what are four months?
This is the Mark Belling podcast. This is the Mark

(28:13):
Belling podcast. I mean, what do you think about it? Well,
Trump is pulling off as is extraordinary. There is some
sense that there is more hype than substances some of this,
and maybe that's true, maybe it isn't. But Trump gets

(28:34):
in a plane, gets an Air Force one and bops
all over Asia and comes back with trade deals right
and left, including this surprise meeting with the g of China.
They did not reach a permanent deal, but Trump issued
a statement claiming significant progress was gained the China situation.

(28:55):
Of all the countries that we have trade, but I
think the two big ones to deal with are Cana
In China, we do massive trade with Canada, and Canada
has been raping US forever and so is China. And
Trump has been determined. He's he vowed to do it,
and it was running for president for the second term
here that he was going to do a reset. He
made progress in the first term. Biden none did all

(29:16):
of it. China has some leverage over the United States.
It's a difficult situation. And Trump, as has been his
wont w ont want. Won't you ever heard of that word? Won't? Well,
it's it's a word, as is his like way of
doing things. It's not want is in the contraction wo

(29:39):
in apostrophe T. I think it's pronounced want as his
his want. Well, that's what it is. I admit it's
a nine dollars word that it didn't have to use,
so I have to explain therefore the word anyway, Trump
plays his own good cop bad cop. He was going
to go to China a few weeks ago. Then he canceled,

(30:00):
said there's no point in it because China slept a
big tariff on some of the rare earth minerals and
so on. All right, then Chump runs an end run
around him, makes a trade deal with China, made a
trade deal with Cambodia. He had earlier cut a trade
deal with Vietnam. All of those countries undercut China. You
see here The threat to China is if some of
these companies move their production to other countries in Southeast

(30:21):
Asia that can affect them. So Trump does that first
goes over to G and he issued the following statement
describing the deal. Now, again this is not finalized, but
Trump's statement implies that significant progress occurred. I had a
truly great meeting with President G of China. There is
enormous respect between our two countries, and that will only

(30:43):
be enhanced by with what just took place. We agreed
on many things, with others even of high importance, being
very close to resolved. I was extremely honored by the
fact that President G authorized China to begin the purchase
of massive amounts of soybean, sorghum, and other farm products.
It's a big deal. Some of the American agriculture products,

(31:04):
like soybeans in particular, the whole world uses them and
way more than they produce, way more than we need
in the United States, and China's just had tariffs on
our stuff. This is been a big thing for farmers,
especially in the parts of the country, and that's the
mid section on particularly soybeans and continuing. Our farmers will
be very happy. In fact, as I said once before
during my first administration, farmers should immediately go out and

(31:27):
buy more at land and larger tractors. I would like
to thank President g for this. The key that Trump's
pointing out here is we all know that there's been
this issue of farmland being subdivided and so on. If
we can finally start exporting more of our agriculture of
products because other countries stop putting these tariffs on them,
it's a growth industry for agriculture continuing. Additionally, China has

(31:51):
agreed to continue the flow of rare earth critical minerals, magnets, etc.
Openly and freely. Very significantly, China has strongly stated that
they will work diligently with us to stop the flow
of fenool into our country. This will help us end
the fenerol crisis. It goes on, say name, but there's
Trump bopping around doing this. He's I think, getting back

(32:11):
to the United States today. Nineteen other things are going
to happen here. He's going to do whatever he can
to leverage the Congress to pass the bill to fund
the federal government and so on, without regard to whether
you agree with him on most of these things. And
I think a better trade deal with China is something
that unless you just hate Trump, everyone would agree with

(32:33):
the level of activity from this president has been extraordinary.
I now want to move to the story that keeps
hanging over this country, and that is the growing information
we have about the misconduct that occurred during the Biden

(32:57):
administration directed word promp. I want to first focus on
the leftist hypocrisy here. We're celebrating here in twenty five,
the fiftieth anniversary of all things Watergate. It's the fiftieth

(33:20):
aniversary of Nixon resigning. The break in was last year,
you know, so all the Woodward and Bernstein retrospectives are
coming back. Watergay, water Gay, Watergate, Watergate, and it's been
written by more than a few people that jordy of
Americans may not have been alive when Watergate was going on,
and they don't even know what the scandal was, or
they misunderstand the scandal and think that there was this
small little break in that they tried to cover up.

(33:42):
In fact, the cover up was because the break in
exposed the larger scandal that was going on that was
pervasive in Nixon's administration. The famous movie All the President's Men,
which is based on the book that was written by
Woodward and Bernstein and starred Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman,

(34:02):
who played bernstand At Woodward. Hel Holbrooke played one of
Woodward's primary sources. He was not identified until decades later.
It was Mark Feld who was the number two of
the FBI, but he was dubbed because they never named
him deep Throat, and he got the deep Throat. If

(34:24):
you're not aware, if people need to know what deep throat,
where the name came Do you know where it came from.
It's a porno movie. It was like the first big
porno movie and it it's Destiny with blood woman performing
a sexual act that I'm in Deep Throat And the
name came to be applied here because the source was
on deep background. Deep background means you don't even identify

(34:45):
that he's in the administration. You don't use anything to
identify deep background, and one of the editors came up
with deep Throat. This is a segment from the movie.
Deep Throat was played by hel Holbrook who at the
time was a really big actor, And all the meetings
were in this parking garage, and every scene that they

(35:06):
shot with Deep Throat, he's in the shadows of the
parking garage. You never really saw hell Hobook's face. But
I want you to listen to the content because this
was the thing that drove the left during Nixon and
for decades afterwards to why Watergate was so serious. It
was that they were using the entire government to stack

(35:27):
the deck against their political adversaries. Listen to this cut
here of deep.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Throat and it was a Harman operation.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Stop the tape for a second. Haldeman was the White
House Chief of Staff. HR Haldeman so deep throat to say,
this is the very top of the administration. He'll go
through some other names that some of you may not
know back from the Watergate days, but he's naming the
biggest player, the people that ran Nixon's presidency.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
And it was a Horrorman operation. The whole business was
run by Alderman, the money, everything. It won't be easy
getting at him. He was insulated. You'll have to find
out how Mitchell started doing covert stuff before anyone else.
The list is longer than anyone can imagine. It involves

(36:18):
the entire US intelligence community, FBI, CIA and Justice. It's
incredible cover up had little to do with Watergate. It
was mainly to protect the covert operations. It leads everywhere.

(36:43):
Get out your notebook. There's more, all.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Right, That was the scene. The point is it was
the entire government. They were conducting covert operations, and those
covert operations including trying to rig the demoocratic primaries. In
the nineteen seventy two election. They were terrified of the
candidacy of Ed Muskie, senator from Maine, who is something

(37:07):
of a moderate. They wanted to run against McGovern, the
radical liberal. They managed to crash out Muskie's campaign by
spreading a fake letter that he never wrote. They were
not only were trying to bug the Watergate, they were
spying on Democrats. They were conducting illegal political operations all
over the place. There was also people brought up that

(37:31):
we learned from the White House tapes that Nixon was
threatening to take away the broadcast licenses of TV stations
that were owned by the big lefty newspapers and so
leberals are horrified by this, horrified that the government tools
were used to spy on their political adversaries. Fifty years later,

(37:54):
we now know that that happened again, only far more pervasively.
The code name for it was Operation Arctic Frost. This
is the operation that came out of the Department of
Justice in the FBI and included all the intelligence agencies
and were now just beginning to learn the scope the
number of Republican politicians and conservative organizations that were targeted

(38:17):
Ted Cruz's phone was tapped. Other senator's phones were tapped.
Numerous conservative organizations were put under surveillance. Catherine Herridge, formerly
of CBS News I want to quote from her post
Arctic Frost dragnet expands plus four hundred GOP targets. According

(38:37):
to new records provided through legally protected whistleblower disclosures to
Senator Chuck Grassley, one hundred and ninety seven subpoenas sought testimony, records,
and communications related to at least four hundred and thirty
named Republican individuals and entities. Some of the records Special
Consul Jacksmith's subpoened from banks, individuals, and business. This is

(39:00):
included communications with media companies CBS, Fox News, Fox Business, Newsmax,
Sinclair and others. Communications with any member, employ or agent
of the legislative branch of the US government. Communications with
White House advisors such as Stephen Miller, Dan Scavino, Jared Kushner,
Laura Trump statistical data and analysis relating to donors and

(39:22):
fundraising efforts, broad financial data relating to conservative individuals and entities,
plus seventeen hundred pages. That's Hariage quoting from the documents
that Senator Grassley has gotten from whistleblowers. Sean Davis's post
on text new Arctic Frost whistleblower documents showed that the

(39:45):
corrupt Biden FBI subpoenaed the bank records, donor lists, and
emails of nearly every major conservative organization and leader in
the country, including Donald Trump's campaign, the RNC, Conservative Partnership Institute,
Save America, America First Policy Institute, and even my pillow.
My pillow, of course, because the guy who ran it

(40:07):
was claiming the election was Reagar, et cetera. Now, before
I get to the next one, my comment here. Remember
why Nixon went down in Watergate. Many of you don't.
It's because the Republicans turned against him. In order to
be impeached and removed via conviction, you needed two thirds vote.

(40:29):
You needed only a majority vote to impeach, but to
remove and Senate trial two thirds. And the Senate Republicans
abandoned Nixon because once they saw what the evidence was,
they said, we cannot have this. Fifty years later, far
worse occurred the same type of thing, using all of
the mechanisms of government to surveil, spy, investigate members of

(40:52):
the opposition party, and not a Democrat was bothered by
it instead. And here's the great irony there they are
worrying about no and Trump targeting its enemies. When you
add this when you had virtually every prominent conservative in
America and the crossyards of numerous federal agencies. This posts

(41:17):
from the House Judiciary Committee was Senator Grassay on the
Senate Judiciary Committee and the Committee on Oversight to believe
the first This now from the House Judiciary Committee posting
new Arctic Frost documents reveal even further wide ranging investigation
by Biden's d or Jay to takedown President Trumpety supporters highlights.
Arctic Frost Investigators utilized FBI field officism across the country

(41:40):
to conduct its investigation. Arctic Frost Investigators requested sixteen thousand
dollars to travel to conduct more than forty interviews forty
five individuals, including Steve Bann and Scott Perry, Rudolph Giuliani,
Jeffrey Clark, John Eastman, and Mark Meadows were potentially under investigation.
Another one hundred eleven individuals, including Peter Navarro, Dan Scavino,

(42:01):
Jeff Rosen, and Ed Martin were also potentially under investigation,
and then they provide a link to the documents. This
was clearly more extensive than Watergate. The difference is that
because it was the Democrats that did it, there was

(42:22):
no media to expose it. There was no Woodward in
Bernstein trying to get to the bottom of this. Instead,
they were doing the opposite. They were the recipient of
the leagues indicating these people were under target for investigation
because of all these the various things that they must
have done. There was a time in which in this

(42:45):
country there was principle that there were some things we
would not allow the government to do. Without regard to
whether it was Democrats and the government Republicans in the government.
I still think most Republicans have some standards and there
were certain things that they would not all want a
Republican government to do. For the Democrats, it's all gone.
The whole Watergate thing was all forty Maybe the Democrats

(43:09):
of the time would not have stood for it, but
they're clearly standing for it now, and in fact, when
Prumpt's people now try to expose the waterged of our
times Arctic frost, it's Trump's the bag guy for going
after his enemies, even though the enemies he's going after

(43:30):
are the ones who started it by illegally not only
surveilling him, but just about every other prominent conservative in America.
I wouldn't I'm a small potato here in Milwaukee, but
would I say I would be shocked if I found
out that they were looking in I wouldn't be shocked.
This thing has gone everywhere. You got like eighty five
different people in Turning Point that were under this imagined

(43:52):
all the other conservative organizations. This I believe was with
January sixth, and the overreaction to it was all about
it is the excuse that the right is involved in insurrections,
so therefore we've got to investigate all of them, which
is why they hype the whole thing. And one final

(44:16):
story here, there is a piece in the Washington Post
that appeared yesterday. It's a seemingly minor story, but it's
one of those stories that's just kind of I would
say the term here would be precious beds have all
these agencies. There's something called the Fine Arts Commission. What

(44:40):
they do is they're actually in charge of the institutions
of fine arts that the government runs. The members of
the Commission are appointed by the president. What do you
think Trump did with the members of the commission? Fire them?
Why do you fire them? Why? Because they're all Biden's people.

(45:04):
And that's the story is Trump fires some of these
people still had time left in their terms. So the
wisup was say, is this big story, Trump's firing all
the members of the Fine Arts Commission that Biden appointed.
Here's what the story doesn't mention. What do you think
happened with that commission in twenty twenty one? Biden fired
all the appointees some Trump's first term. So Trump appointed

(45:27):
all these members of the Fine Arts Commission, and back
in twenty seventeen when he came in in term one,
Biden got rid of all of him put in his people.
Trump comes in, he gets rid of them, He's gonna
put in his people. But the story that's reported is
Trump firing all the members of the commission not even mentioned.
In fact, it ask is mentioned way at the end
of the story. And well Biden did the same thing,
but it was never a thing. It was never a

(45:50):
reported as major news. It was simply accepted that when
a new administration comes into place, they're going to put
their own people into these agencies. The one difference between
then and now is conservatives Charlie Kirk's organization many others

(46:11):
are responsible for this. Trump empowering conservatives to speak out.
The explosion of conservative media through podcasts, zillions of them,
like my own other conservative media outlets, is that this
information is now getting out. Unfortunately, it doesn't get out
to the people who don't pay attention to conservative news outlets,

(46:31):
just people that are kind of apathetic run into the news,
or anybody on the left who doesn't listen to any
of it. But at least those of us on the
right are aware but understand this. Let's imagine Kamala had won,
we never would have found any of this out. We

(46:52):
didn't find it out until now when it was going on.
We didn't know the whistleblowers that are blowing the whistle now.
These are people within the FBI, the Department of Justice
that were appalled by it. They were terrified to blow
the whistle. Back then, because they knew what would happen
to them. Now that there is a receptive audience, and

(47:12):
that the Republicans control the Senate, in the House and
in the White House, with a Department of Justice that
wants to clean up all this rot, the whistleblowers are
pointing us in the direction of all of the stuff
that happened. But it's just like going back to the
water get story. In Woodward and Bernstein had deep throat.

(47:34):
In the other sources of Woodward and Bernstein not talked,
we wouldn't have known that either. And the only reason
we're learning any of this now is that Trump won
and some of the people who clearly were not going
going to blow the whistle are in fact blowing the whistle.
The difference in the two eras fifty years apart is
that the Democrats who were so appalled when Nixon and

(47:55):
the Republicans did it not only are not appalled that
it's being done by their side now, they in fact
were gleeful to do it. This is the Mark Belling Podcast.
This is the Mark Belling Podcast, and it's time for
our weekly football preview and some point spread picks, and

(48:18):
as we are every week, we're joined by Mike murletta
of American sports analysts, and Madison. Their website is ASA
wins dot com. Before we get rolling here, Mike, anything
you want to share about what's going on with your
service this weekend.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Yeah, they can check on Friday. ASA wins dot Com.
Didn't have a great week weekend last weekend. We won
our top college game, lost our top program, but overall
probably our worst weekend of the year. So we look
to bounce back this week and we'll probably have a
special weekend package they can check, and I expect us
to have a good weekend. There's some really good matchups
this weekend.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Well, I wasn't right about anything last weekend. My pick
that I used on the radio didn't work. My second
favorite pick lost, my third favorite pick lost, my fourth
favorite pick, My top five favorite games all lost, and
all of them kind of got clobbered. I mean, so
we're just putting all that in the rearview mirror. We're

(49:09):
going to start with before we get into individual games.
I want to talk about a couple of issues in
college football rather than game previews. There really isn't a
Marquee Huge Dynamite game this weekend, so I want to
talk about a couple of issues, and the first time
I want to raise with Mike is this now trend
and I think that's the right word, trend of firing
coaches not toward the end of the season, and certainly

(49:31):
not after the season, but in the middle of the season,
and in some cases extremely successful coaches, in some cases
coaches that had massive contracts with years to go in
huge buyouts. The latest, of course being Brian Kelly, fired
at LSU. They backed up the truck several years ago
to lure him away from Notre Dame. They decided it

(49:55):
hasn't worked, even though I think his record's thirty four
and fourteen or something there. So they have him this
enormous biout, plus whatever it is they're going to have
to hire pay for a new coach. James Franklin got
fired at Penn State earlier this year. Both Florida schools
are likely to have gotten rid of their coaches soon.
Mike Norvella Florida State might be the next to go.

(50:17):
And the thing that's striking me about this is a
the timing and b the fact that some of these coaches,
because they've been so successful, are owed to a fortune
in biots. Let's start with the first thing. What really
is the point in firing a coach in the middle
of the season, given that you can't go looking for

(50:39):
a successor until after the season, and you have to
name an interim coach in the meantime, Why do you
think that this is going on and it's becoming so prevalent.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Yeah, I'm not sure why why it's already become like
middle of the season type stuff. Used to never see that.
I mean, there's twelve FBS openings right now in the
middle of the season, and some big like you said, LSU, UCLA, Florida,
Penn State, more to come. I don't know if they're
trying to get a jump on, you know, contacting other coaches,

(51:11):
contacting potential replacements rather than waiting, and other teams have
maybe behind the scenes that could be ed, you know,
locked up, some coaching can be That's the only reason.
I think.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
One of the ramifications of that, though, is you've got
a school like Mississippi having a pretty good year. Lane
Kiffin's their coach. He's rumored for all of these jobs.
What a distraction for his team for the remaining six
or seven games that they have left in the season,
or for heaven's sakes, if they managed to make it
to the playoffs, which they might make it. There are

(51:44):
a couple of other coaches of top teams, their names
are swirling around and all of this stuff. They probably
are talking to their agents who are talking with the schools.
The coach himself can't talk, but the agents can have
backchannel conversations. So it's also affecting all of these coaches
that might be rumored to be in the mix. And
it's becoming primarily a college thing as opposed to the pros,

(52:05):
where you might think it's a little bit more understandable
to do. So. The other component of this is now
that we're in this era of nil where anybody can
transfer and go to another school and know sitting out
or anything like that. When you fire a coach who
recruited some of these players, you might see thirty or
forty or forty five players leave the team at the

(52:28):
end of the season. And the final point is, I
just look at all of this and I think that
there are more schools that want a great coach than
there are great coaches that are out there. I mean,
with the Penn State situation, has been talked about a lot.
I mean, everybody wants to now hire James Franklin, the
Penn State coach. He's the number one guy in the

(52:48):
list for all of these jobs. Yet Penn State had
James Franklin and they are rid of him because they
couldn't handle a three game losing streak after a bunch
of great seasons. Something is totally screwed up here. And
I think that some of these athletic directors are so
behold in too loudmouth alumni that they're making unwise, irrational

(53:10):
emotional decisions that not only don't make strategic sense, they
don't make financial sense. You pay off a buyout of
thirty five million to a coach, tie up seventy million
in a new coach when you still have to run
an entire athletic department.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Yeah. No, I agree that the buyouts are insane. I mean,
right now, so far this year, there's like one hundred
and seventy million in buyouts from coaches that got fired
during the season this year, and like you said, they're
gonna have to hire other coaches and pay them. I
don't disagree with that. I think a lot of it
has to do with big boasters coming in and say
we don't want him anymore, we'll raise money to get

(53:46):
rid of them, that type of thing, and they're kind of,
you know, in a lot of schools running the show
more so than the coaches and the administration are.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
That brings us to I think a related topic, and
that's Wisconsin. Paul and I both thought and made our
picks on this that Oregon would annihilate Wisconsin, and they didn't.
Wisconsin actually played defensively an unbelievably good game. They Badgers
don't have an offense, but their defense was spectacular in
holding an outstanding Oregon team to only twenty one points.

(54:18):
It makes one wonder if Wisconsin did show that it
can salvage the season. They have a buy this week
when they come back after the bye by that strong
defensive performance that they had there. And going back to
this whole business of firing coaches and so on, given
that he is building one of the best defenses in America,

(54:39):
is the consensus wrong that Luke Fickle needs to be fired?
And maybe are they better off keeping him. He's built
a defense, builds an offense next end. Wouldn't you be
in a better position than if you see everybody transfer,
everybody leaving start over again with another coach. A lot
there on Wisconsin. But just your thoughts on whether or
not they turned a real corner last week and what

(55:01):
the situation with Fickle is.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
Yeah, the interesting thing with Fickle is I don't think
he I think he's going to make it through the season.
I won't be surprised if he's around next year. Look
at how many big job openings there. I mean, Wisconsin's
way down the pecking cort right for some of those jobs,
especially if Florida State opens, Auburn might open. I was
really the one thing I've noticed is, and this is

(55:25):
a positive for Fickle, the team hasn't quit at all.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I mean no, and I thought they would. I mean,
they went to this gauntlet of a schedule, and weirdly
they seem to be getting I mean the Iowa loss
Iowa was the weakest of the three teams that they
played in this stretch, and they seem to play better
the following two weeks against better opposition in Ohio State
and Oregon.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Yeah. No, I agree, I mean I was really shocked.
I liked your point last week, and I agreed that
you know, at some point the Wisconsin defense is just
going to collapse because they're on the field too much,
and they had played so many big games in a
row and they play their best game yet they had
held Oregon to twenty points below their average, and Oregon
is averaging over five hundred yards per game. They held
in the three hundred and thirty five yards. If they

(56:10):
get a little help from the offense, even if you
had just a slightly below average offense, I think they'd
actually be okay. So, you know, looking ahead, if they
can replace some get a quarterback on offense, which is key.
They're down to the third string quarterback, you got to
have a good Well.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
There's some talk now that they have a highly toted
freshman who has not played. The rule in college football
is if you play only four games, you can maintain
red shirt status and not you lose a year of eligibility.
That after the bye they may bring him in now
that they wouldn't lose a year of eligibility. I don't
think that's the explanation, because if a quarterback is really

(56:47):
really good, you don't worry that much about eligibility. Because
they're thinking of going to the pros after a while,
but there's all of that talk that's out there. In
the meantime, I'm hearing people talk about Wisconsin should hire James. Frankly,
they should hire this guy. They should hire that guy.
These schools that are eating sixty million dollar buyouts are
going to lay out one hundred and twenty million dollars
in a nine year contract for some of these coaches,
and I don't think Wisconsin's in a position, you know,

(57:10):
to be able to do that. All right, let's turn
our attention to the NFL, and I do want to
preview two games. This seems like a lopside of game,
but it's an interesting one to talk about, and that's
the Packers and the Panthers. First of all, Carolina seems
to be no almost perpetually awful. The Packers are a
fascinating situation. They played in the second half last week

(57:32):
against Pittsburgh as well as an NFL team can play,
but let's also acknowledge that they were down sixteen to
seven at halftime to an only Okay team. It's very
hard to get a read on the Packers. They have
a great record of five to one and one, and
at times they've looked outstanding. They're back home and it's

(57:52):
been a while since they've been home. But they're back home,
and it's probably a letdown situation with a poor opponent,
but visually they finally looked really, really good. Thoughts on
Packers and thoughts on this game. The Packers favored by
about two touchdowns against Carolina.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Yeah, they're you know, they're favored by thirteen and a
half right now. Interestingly enough, twelve to thirteen games last
week in the NFL decided by ten points. More so,
a lot of blowouts last and you.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Mentioned the twelve that the favorites went eleven and two.
My favorite NFL game, and I almost choose that out
of the year was Atlanta favored by eight over Miami
and Miami won by twenty four. It was the one
game where an underdog destroyed a favorite at a weekend where
none of that happened. That's all wrong. I was on everything,
but you were right. I mean all the game. Almost

(58:43):
all the games are blowouts this past week, and favorites
won virtually every one of the game, and the overs
went way, way, way over.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
Yeah, which is bad for the sports folks when that happens.
But yeah, Green Bay second half. Last week had almost
three hundred total yards in the second half and Pittsburgh
had barely a hundred, so they played really well. Their
offense didn't look great in the first half and they
look completely different in the second half. Carolina is not terrible.
They're four and four, but they you know they They

(59:13):
didn't have their quarterback last week. Bryce Young was out
and they lost three starting offensive linemen who aren't going
to play this week, which is huge for green Bay.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
It's not green The Packers pass rush is really coming on.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
They are, they really are, and with three backup offensive
line and that's not great for Carolina A. Green Bay's
coming off a big game. They got the Eagles next,
so that's not ideal. But double digit favorites this year
have been decent. Six and four against the spread, and
if you go back to the start of last year,
they're twenty and thirteen against the spread the last two
years double digit favorites. Historically they're not good, but they

(59:47):
have been decent. I wouldn't lay two touchdowns in this game,
but I can't see the pay I don't see this
being a close game, but I could see green Bay
getting ahead and just kind of grinding out and winning
somewhere by you know, ten to four teen to seventeen
type points. In this game against the banged up Carolina team.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Paul says the Packers played down to opponents level. I
don't think I agree with that. I can't get a
feel for them at all, because the Packers alternate between
brilliance and pretty good. They haven't played a stinker of
a game. They were defensively terrible against Dallas, but they
put up a lot of points in that game. There's
a just a tough team to get a feel out.
In the meantime, everybody, this is been the marquee game

(01:00:27):
in the NFL for the last ten years. The Chiefs
played the Bills again, they always seemed at first of all,
they always seem to meet in the postseason, and they
seem to meet in the regular season a lot, even
though they're not in the same division this year. Kansas City,
which went to the Super Bowl last year, and I
thought they had a down year and they just got
to snuck into it. This looks like as good a

(01:00:47):
Chiefs team as we've seen. They're really, really good, particularly
once we got past the beginning of the season and
Buffalo's coming off a win of forty to nine in
which they massacred a team last week. Your thoughts on
the Chiefs of the Bills.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Yeah, it's interesting. Like you said, I think it's the
NFL's top rivalry right now. And they're not even the
Sight Division. I mean, usually you see teams in division
being big rivals. But they have played since the twenty
counting the twenty twenty one playoffs, they played eight times
since then. And the interesting point between these two is
they played four times in the playoffs during that stretch.

(01:01:24):
Kansas City's four to oh they played four times during
the regular season during that stretch and Buffalo's four and oh.
So Kansas City's winning the games that mean something in
the playoffs and Buffalo's winning the regular season games over
the last four or five years. In this game, I
think you're right. I think right now, Kansas City, even
though they're five and three, I think they're the best

(01:01:45):
team in the NFL right now. They're five to one
both straight up and against the spread. Their last six games,
and the one they lost they completely dominated Jacksonville and
lost on some crazy plays. They've outgained their opponents by
one hundred and thirty yards average over their last six
Remember during that stretch, they beat Detroit by thirteen points,
and they beat Baltimore when Baltimore was at full strength

(01:02:06):
by seventeen points. So they're rolling along right now. I
think Buffalo's in the better situation. Kamas City's playing their
ninth straight week in Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
They do have the buy next, and I think Andy
Reid's record off the bye is great. I have no
idea what it is going into the buy. I don't
even know if there's a way of track, if anybody
tracks that. Kansas City, though in the last two weeks,
has outscored the opposition eighty nine to twenty four. Yeah,
some of those teams run very good, and Washington has
been banged up in his very disappointing team this year.

(01:02:37):
But still, all right, let's get to some point spread
picks for this weekend, and we will very quickly recap
an ugly week. Last week, both Paul and I took
Oregon to beat Wisconsin by thirty two or more. Wisconsin
lost by only fourteen. Mike said Mississippi and Oklahoma will
go under fifty four and a half. He at least
came a little close that came end to thirty four
to twenty six. So all three of us lost. That's

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no good at all. All right, let's get started with
this weekend's games. Paul, you go first, Paul says, for
the first time, he feels confident. This is despite the
fact that Paul's record is one in eighty six or
something in that rage. But yeah, Detroit is at it's
Minnesota is at Detroit, and the line is eight and

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a half on that, Paul says. He Paul says, he
has incredible confidence. I know where he's going to go
with this, and there's a problem with the pick. But anyway,
you're taking Detroit. JJ McCarthy is now the quarterback again.
He's only been given five shots for this job. Carson
Wentz is out for the season, so they have to

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go with JJ McCarthy. Detroit's in a four game winning streak,
winning each game by fifteen. They're averaging thirty six points
a game. Paul's got all this. What else? They're at
home and they're clicking on all cylinders. Minnesot's terrible. They

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lost by twenty seven points to the Chargers. Now there's
a problem with this pick until you just said this.
This was my pick, and last week when we were
on the same pick, it was an absolute trade wreck.
I have had two games and I'm just going back
and forth and wrestling on and I'm now going to
take the other game in part Becauyse just you know,
create a little variety here. But I agree with Paul

(01:04:27):
on everything that he said. But the last time we agreed,
which was last week, we were dead wrong. I think
Minnesota is reeling. I don't think I think McCarthy was
a wasted first on pick too early, perhaps to write
him off. The ground game doesn't exist for the Vikings anymore.
Injuries to running back and given who they have at
running back not surprising. And Detroit, you know, detroit'sa Kansas city.

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Once you got past the right beginning of the season,
they've been really, really, really good, and you know, we
saw all those blowouts last week, so I wouldn't. I'm
just no longer afraid of laying a lot of points
in the NFL. I think Paul's right about that, but
I'm not going to use it as my own pick
because it was an ugly situation and when we both
put big favorites last night. But I think he's right,

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don't you, Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Yeah. I mean the only thing that gets me is
the line looks low to me. I mean, it just
seems like it should be higher than eight.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
I made the line at fifteen myself, and I like
to try to make the line before I see what
it is, and fifteen would have been I would guess
Detroit would win by fifteen points. That's how I come
up with that. You're right, it does. See. It does
seem low, But maybe that's because the line makers simply
haven't caught up to how poor Minnesota is. They weren't
expected to be this bad, and they're three and four.

(01:05:38):
It's not like they're zero and seven, but they're an
ugly looking three and four. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
In the quarterback situation, obviously, Wentz played with one arm
last week, and they played him when he probably shouldn't
have played. And McCarthy, like I said, he's had one
good quarter, one good half, let's say the entire season.
The second half against Chicago is actually the fourth quarter. Mainly,
other than that, he's been bad troited off a bye.
Campbell with the best spread record. I don't disagree with

(01:06:04):
that pick at all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Yeah, I think Paul's right, Let's go to Let's go
to Mike in where are we going to go for
our pick?

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
Let's check the Monday night Arizona Dallas. I need the
total on that game.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
That total must be eight hundred fifty four and a half.
Arizona has a bit of a defense. Dallas's defense occasionally looks. Okay.
The Dallas offense wasn't that great last week, but fifty
four and a half. My guess is most people are
betting the game, are betting over. Are you going to
be a contraryan and say under it? Do you want
to hear about another line?

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
No, I'm going to go over in that game?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Over you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
You can't go under in Dallas games right now. I
don't think the odds makers can set it high enough.
I mean, they're not going to make it fifty seven
to fifty eight, which is probably where it should be.
Dallas games are averaging.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
I mean, they played Denver last week and Denver has
a go defense, and the total points was sixty eight points.
In that game, they gave up forty four to Denver,
but they also scored twenty four on Denver's very good defense.
The week before that was watched his forty four to
twenty two. That was sixty six points the week before that.
Carolina at twenty seven to thirty, that was fifty seven
points the week before that. The Jets, who's they're always

(01:07:14):
in low scoring games, thirty seven to twenty two. So
you're right, Dallas keeps going over, and they're going over
against other teams that aren't like them. Great offense, bad defense.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
Yeah, and they're they're averaging forty one points per game.
It's home. They've scored forty or more in every home
game this year. They've got the best offense in the
league we talked about this last week, and the worst defense.
And on top of having the worst defense, they got
multiple injuries on defense. Right now. Their offense is scoring
points on almost sixty percent of their drives at home

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this year, which is by far the best in the NFL,
but their defense is allowing points on almost thirty five
percent of opponent possessions, which is worse than the NFL.
Arizona's actually been pretty good offense. I'm hoping Brissetts the
quarterback here. They've played pretty well the last couple games.
Murray may be back, but I think it goes over
either way.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Okay, yeah, lying on that game is only two and
a half. I would have thought Dallas may be favored
by more. But you know, the Cowboys are a hard
team to get a feel for because as great as
the offense is, that's how bad their defense is. I'm
going to go to a game in college football, and
as I said, I was probably going to take the
pick that Paul took. But there's a game in college
football that I like a lot. One of the teams

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that's really emerged this year is Texas Tech, and it's
a controversial team because the team is bankrolled with massive
nil money. They're seven and one and they're playing at
Kansas State and they're favored by seven and a half,
and I'm taking Kansas State. Texas Tech has played only
two road games all year. One of them was their

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one loss when they lost to Arizona State. Kansas State
was thought to be a very good team this year,
and they started really slowly, but they've gotten hot. They
outgained Baylor in a game in which they lost the game,
and they played their arch rival Kansas last week. Kansas
isn't terrible and they beat them by twenty five points.
The quarterback situation. Texas Tech's quarterback is banged up and

(01:09:13):
may or may not play. The backup got knocked out
altogether last week. They did go to the third stringer,
who is admittedly a former starter in college football, and
he played much of the game last week, but their
quarterback situation is shaky in the meantime. I really like
Kansas State's quarterback. They have a quarterback named Avery Johnson,
no relation to the old basketball coach. He's got fifteen
touchdown passes and only two interceptions, and I think that

(01:09:36):
they're an improving team. And I swear you go back
forty years with Kansas State, and I know this is
through multiple coaches, but I just remember that Bill Snyder
when he was there at Kansas State as a home
underdog was deadly. They covered all the time, and it
seems to be continuing with the coach that they have
over there right now. I think Kansas State can win
the game and knock off Texas Tech and seven and

(01:09:59):
a half half that's a pretty good number there. So
I'm on Kansas State to cover the point spread getting
seven and a half against Texas Tech. What do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
Yeah, I know Kansas State's playing really well right now.
They struggled early in the season and now they're rolling.
They only lost in their last four games was at
Baylor by one, and they led that game by fourteen
in the game and they all gained him, right, Yeah,
they out gained them in that game. I agree with
you on texts quarterback situation. It looks like mort and
their starter is going to be back, but he's injury
prone on and off. Their second stringers out out, and

(01:10:31):
their third stringers. Okay, I don't disagree. I'm a little worried.
Texas Tech has been really, really good, but they seem
to be coming back to earth a little bit. Like
you said, they lost at Arizona State a few weeks
ago with their backup, and they played Oklahoma State last week.
It's horrendous. I don't disagree. If you're getting over seven,
i'd probably in Kansas State.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Yeah, I mean Kansas State opened the season they lost
to Iowa State and they managed to barely beat North
Dakota and lost the Army.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Wait, there are a couple of teams that are unbeaten
this year that I think there isn't anybody in America
knows that they're on there's hardly any unbeaten teams left,
but somehow Navy is unbeaten. I mean, Mike knows that
because he knows everything, but I unless you actually looked
at everybody's record, I just think that nobody would be
aware that Navy is unbeaten. A lot of this is
you know who you play and who you don't play

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and Army. In the meantime, they're three and four. They
look great one week and terrible the other. Kansas State, though,
is understandable. I just think they started slow, and they're
a hot team, and the line hasn't caught up here,
and I can see them pulling off the upset in
the same way that Arizona State upset Texas Tech when
they went down. There one other game that I do

(01:11:43):
want to throw out, and I was thinking about until
the line. It was three and a half points at
the beginning of the week, and I love the game.
But now it's moved on to two and a half,
and that's more than a one point jump. It moved
to the other side of the three, and that's Jacksonville
is at the Raiders, and the Raiders are two and
a half point underdogs. Now I think Raiders are going
to win the game straight up. But when it was
three and a half, I liked it a lot more.

(01:12:04):
I don't think Jacksonville's as good as their record would indicate.
All right, let's recap everybody's picks here, Paul's I just
I don't disagree with Paul's pick at all if I
was ready to take it. Paul says the Lions to
win by nine or more. Of the vikings. The only
downside is it is a big number, and so on.
Mike says, Dallas and Arizona go over fifty four and

(01:12:25):
a half. Dallas goes over every week, so hopefully it'll again.
And I'm taking an underdog Kansas State to either win
or lose by seven or less at home to Texas Tech.
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