Mark Belling Podcast #84: Why Marxism is on the rise in the US, why it is certain to fail and why it will also lead to more and more violence. Also: evidence is mounting that tearing down I-794 is a really, really, really stupid idea. And, the guy from "The Big Short" is warning of a tech stock price bubble based on misleading profit statements

Mark focuses on why so many affluent and educated people are embracing Marxism and how it will lead to more violence in the US (Joe Rogan says a Civil War).  The new DPI report card says all our schools are great!  (What a bunch of shilling hacks.)  And, Pat Murphy beats Craig Counsell again.

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Speaker 2 (00:24):
There's a story in the news that I want to
open with today. It's mostly symbolic, but all the symbolism
is right on the button. Trump has pardoned the trail runner.
A lot of you remember the story, or you will

(00:44):
at least have heard about it, because it's gotten like
kind of on the fringes of the media attention for
several years. The reason I want to talk about it
for just a moment at the beginning of today's podcast
is I think if you grab onto this story, you
can pick up on just about every theme that's frustrating

(01:09):
people in the United States. The guy's name is Michelino Cinceri.
He runs trails and he's like really good at it,
and he sets records. He was running on a trail
in the Grand Teton area in Wyoming. Apparently it's a

(01:31):
famous trail to run on, and he was trying to
set some sort of a world record in whatever that is.
During the run, he briefly stepped off the trail barely.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
He was arrested.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
And criminally charged for stepping off the trail.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
This is one of those stories that weirdly.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Attracted the attention of both the left and the right.
Both felt that rightly, this was idiotic, worst case scenario,
you should get a tiny little fine. It's a regulatory violation.
We understand the whole thing on protected lands that some
areas you're not suppout, you know, human beings aren't supposed.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
To go on to and so on.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
But he's running on this trail, and he went off
the trail for a brief period of time and only
for a little bit. He ended up with a federal
criminal conviction for it. Trump has pardoned him. In the
scheme of things. It's a really big deal obviously for
this guy now that he doesn't have a criminal record again.

(02:51):
But I think it also if you just grab this story,
there's echoes of everything on it, all the restrictions that
we had during COVID or requirements that people get vaccinated,
do this, do that? I think most people are willing
to accept. Do this do that on important things in

(03:16):
which everyone knows, there's no real freedom of choice. You
can't be fifteen times over the limit when you're driving
on the road. On the other hand, I think people
resented if a cop gives you a ticket for going
one mile over the speed limit. You see the distinction.

(03:42):
He was actually the guy was actually doing this run
over a year ago, and the case drew attention like
in runners circles, and then it kind of got grab
on to And I think were it not for social media,
the Internet and so on, it would not have circulated

(04:04):
as widely as it did. But somehow it got to
the level of whomever it is in Trump's orbit. Maybe
Trump's saw on I don't know. He finds all this
stuff himself. You can always tell him when he's going
to post something on it in social media or somebody
who's orbit founded. And as you know, Trump is pardoning
people that were wronged right and left, and.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
This is one of them.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
And as I say, it just reaches out to he's pardoned,
for example, the so called fake electors in Wisconsin. When
there were questions about the twenty twenty election, Republicans in
Wisconsin put up their own slate for the Electoral College.
They of course didn't get seated. It was simply okay,
if there's going to be a challenge. We need to

(04:48):
have electors in place, and nothing criminal about that they
took a conviction, Trump pardoned them. It's this level of
overreach that's occurring, sometimes because people are trying to stop
their political enemies, and in other cases just because you
have many little.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Tyrants running around. Onward with the.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Program, We've got a big discussion to open the part.
This was just that was just preliminary, big discussion to
open the podcast. I want to focus on several components
of Marxism. Men who would have thought when I started
doing radio talk shows in the eighties that we would
actually seriously have to deal with not Marxism and why

(05:29):
other countries should reject it, but the very real possibility
that it is going to be the fight for the
next fifteen to twenty years in America whether we will
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service is essential, not an option. I want to break
this down, this discussion of where we are and where
we are going with Marxism into three components, and I'm
going to pull out three series of comments here. It's

(06:31):
hitting on each one of the areas that I want
to target into. The first part of this is where
it's coming from. If you take a look at the
people that are supportive of this, and especially the ones
that are supportive of it by writing out massive checks

(06:53):
to bank roll Marxist candidates. Mom Dannie's a perfect case
study of this. An extraordinary number of these people are affluent,
white and rather well educated, at least in terms of
going to school a lot in college, etc. Alicia Finlay,

(07:18):
who is a columnist for the Wall Street Journal, ways
in on this and she has I think a very
good analysis. So I want to show it and I'm
going to interject with my own comments. At a couple
of points, she writes, Pallanteer that's a big tech company.
CEO Alex Karp attributed zoron Mambani's election as the York

(07:38):
mayor to a reverse class warfare.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Quote.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I think the average IVY League grad voting for this
mayor is highly annoyed that their education is not that valuable,
and the person down the street who knows how to
grill for oil and gas who moved to Texas has
a more valuable profession.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
He's right, and so does Findley. This is me now,
and not the column.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
We've been seeing this coming for several years. You'd hear
the maybe fifteen twenty years you write it for the millennials. Well,
I have this college education, but I'm only waiting tables.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Oh, I have this degree, I have this degree. I
have this degree.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
When you'd hear the teachers' unions carping and bitching about.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Everything, we have master's degrees.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
In other words, the sense of entitlement because they got
a lot of schooling, the in and of itself that's
supposed to translate into making a lot of money, not
understanding that.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
The schooling is merely a tool you use along the
path to try to make money.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
So the guy from Pellant here is saying a lot
of these, you know, well educated Ivy leaguers, they got
all these degrees and they're sitting here and they're barely
scraping by living in a really, really high expense place
New York, and they see people that are getting into
the oil industry or people that are just working on

(09:08):
drilling rigs.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Making more money than them, and they don't like this.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
In other words, class warfare used to be the lower
class is rising up against the wealthy. The CEO of
pellanteer suggesting that this is just the opposite. It's people
that are in the upper class but think that they
should be more upper than they are, resenting people in
the middle class that are rising to the upper middle class.

(09:37):
There's a term that you see all the time just
being thrown around with regard to people who think that
their you know what doesn't smell. It's called entitlement. And
I think that's where this is going. Let's get back
to Finley's column. He has a point. Colleges are graduating
a surf fight of young people who lack hard or
even soft skills. Even as employers can plain about a

(10:00):
dearth of qualified workers, a growing college educated proletariat can't
find jobs they want to work.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Let me interject, We've just seen this.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
The number of people with college degrees who don't know
how to do anything. The keyword in there was the
verb do oh. They know this and they know that,
but they don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
How to do anything. I don't know how much I
know how to do.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Fortunately, I knew how to do radio. I know how
to do writing a newspaper column, a few things I
know how to do. For these people that are coming
out of these colleges with these fuzzy majors, or even
in some cases majors that aren't so fuzzy, but don't
have any practical skills. They may have knowledge about some things,

(10:49):
but they don't know how to do anything. And other
than just going on and teaching more people who don't
know how to do anything. In order to get ahead
in the world, you have to be able to do something.
If you can't do anything, nobody's going to pay you.
What do you bring to the table. They believe this

(11:13):
is finley. They believe their degrees aren't being adequately rewarded
by the free market, and blame capitalism. The real culprit
is enormous government subsidies of higher education, which has distorted
the labor supply. More than seven million bachelor's degree recipients
have entered the labor force since January of twenty twenty. Meanwhile,

(11:33):
the number of workers without college degrees has declined by
about two hundred thousand, and those with associate degrees has
shrunk by one point one million. Let me interject, we've
seen this. I've talked about it a lot. The reason
that there is such a drastic shortage of workers in
the semi skilled and skilled tech fields and then other

(11:54):
fields in which some manual laborers involved, the construction trades
and so on, is because fewer and fewer and fewer
people are going on that path, and more and more
and more one of the college path. So you have
a surplus for people that are in the market for
the so called traditional college educated jobs and a drastic shortage.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Of the others.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
So this creates the need for people that are looking
for the semi skill, the trades and all of that
other stuff to pay more and more and more because
they've got fewer people in their pool. And here's all
these people who went to college and look at So
I don't like this. I've been arguing for years, way
too many people are going to college, and some people
are going to college, who'll be better off. Not Now

(12:41):
I'll get back to the column, and again all of
this is leading to this appeal of Marxism. But the
point that I've made is, well, college is beneficial for
many people. We forget that more than half the people
who in our college drop out, and many of those

(13:03):
that go to college barely scraped by, and many of
them go into fields in which the thing that you're
majoring in, there are nowhere near as many jobs as
there are people that are graduating in those fields. The
biggest problem here my generation, Paul's generation at close second,

(13:24):
because here's an overlap. Parents who pushed their kids to
go to college when they should have sized that kid
up and said there's a lot of other things that
you can do.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
This whole you know the old joke about the Jewish weather.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Mice and the doctor, Well that thing became on steroids.
No parent wanted to claim that their kid was going
to tex school, that the kid was appredicing in the trades,
so that the kid was going to go and be
a tech.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
They wouldn't didn't want to do that. They they pushed
to push their kids.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
And then all of these quack high school guidance counselors.
And again, they're not all quacks. I'm referring to the
ones that are quacks. I should make that clear. I
think some are very good. But those that were quacks,
they were simple college college college college, and there was
a racket in it. The college is charged more and
more and more tuition. The government handed out more and
more and more student loans. A lot of the people

(14:23):
that went in there took their student loans and then
didn't work during college that they had massive debt. Now
they got a degree that isn't leading anything. They're sitting
there with all this debt. Maybe, Okay, whose fault is?
It's capitalism's fault. I'm going to become a commie. You know,
I'm right about this, and this is our Finley's driving
this is what's happening continuing as baby boomers and blue

(14:44):
collar professions retire, Labor shortages are growing in industries like construction, trucking,
and manufacturing. President Trump's deportation compound the problem. Now she's
saying that one of the downsides of throwing the illegals
out is they're the the ones that have been filling
the gaps in some of these areas. There is I
think some truth to this, this whole thing with the

(15:07):
HB one visas where Trump is saying, well, there's some
fields in which we just don't have enough Americans who
know how.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
To do this.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
All of that is correct, just any number of fields
in which we have Americans that don't know how to
do the thing that's in demand, but we have all
sorts of other Americans who have all these degrees.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
And things that aren't in any demand at all. Let
me clue you in on something.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Do you know how much demand there is for somebody
with a major in women's studies zelch, especially with DEI
On the downside, Back to the piece, Nearly fifty percent
of small business owners reported few or no qualified job

(15:51):
applicants last month, and a National Federation of Independent Business
survey finding qualified workers is proving to be impossible. A
Missouri manufacturer told the NFIB you think about this. We
have a slowing economy, yet numerous employers can't find anybody
applying for a job who's qualified. Continuing, the sentiment was
echoed by a California auto shop. We need to teach

(16:13):
the trades in high school again. Trade jobs can pay well,
but there is a real shortage of people willing and
able to do the job.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Too.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Many young college grads are unemployed because they aren't willing
or able to do the jobs that are available. As
of October twenty twenty four, thirty point four percent of
twenty to twenty nine year olds who had earned bachelor's
degrees that year weren't working. What that October twenty the
economy in terms of unemployment is still as it was

(16:41):
not bad. I when I graduated from college.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
The unemployment rate was ten percent.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I grabbed onto the first job I could get, which
happened to be on radio and oshkosh, and I was
really skilled in that field, which is why I was
able to get into it. You've got ten percent college
can't find a job because they can't find a job
and the thing that they want to do not the

(17:12):
thing in which the jobs are available, continue compared with
twenty one point nine percent for those who earned associate
degrees during the same period, according to the Bureau of
Labor Statistics. Fortunately, for many college grads, they have parents
with the means to support them financially while they search
for the perfect job. Young adults with lesser pedigrees may

(17:35):
not be as picky about jobs because they can't afford
to be. They will deliver packages for Amazon or man
a supermarket cash judges they to pay the bills. Recent
college grads view such drudgery as beneath them and think
employers are too demanding. Quote for gen Zers, work is
now more depressing than unemployment. Run a New York Times

(17:57):
op ed headline last week, the entire process of getting
and keeping an entry level job has become a grueling
and dehumanizing ordeal over the past decade. The author writes,
young people grouse that employers are monitoring their productivity with
surveillance state technology and expect them to be doing six

(18:21):
jobs in a forty hour work week.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Think about that.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
They're complaining that the employer is keeping an eye on
whether or not they're doing their job.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
By the way, that is it.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
No, the only thing that is new is the techniques
putting a camera over the person's little cubby work cubby
in order to be able to see what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Managers have always been trying to make me are you working,
how you're working? Are you working?

Speaker 2 (18:41):
But what's happening here is there's this generation that just
doesn't expect to have to work.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Now this is me and not the column.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
I remember when this whole thing of the four day
week kids started coming up about two or three years ago.
He say, you know, I needed to have the work
life balance and all this. This is right at the
time that me, after slaving away my entire life, moved
to a four day work week. You know, after I
had the stroll, I wanted to continue to et cetera.
And now I'm doing three at my advanced elderly decrepit

(19:06):
agent here. I think I had to work for over
forty five years before I ever got to them.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
They're saying this at twenty two.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
People who have this mindset that don't want to accept
the requirements of capitalism. You have to work and produce
something in order to get capital. Of course, they're going
to suck up to the notion of Marxism, in which
we're gonna give you all this free stuff and you
don't have to do a damn thing, and you can
just sit on your ass because you're a depressed, lazy
slug who's been taken antidepressants their entire life. Back to

(19:42):
the column, winding the sub heaven forfend that they be
asked to complete multiple assignments in a week, little kids
in grade school once we're expected to do before schools
started becoming homework, And how dear employers refuse to pay
them for scrolling TikTok. It's understandable that grads might feel
indignant about employer demands after having earned stellar GPAs for

(20:06):
little effort and mediocre work. A recent Harvard report found
that as account for about sixty percent of grades, compared
with twenty five percent two decades ago. The story goes on,
I want to get to the next part of the
Marxism thing, Bud. That's the other part. A lot of
these people aren't really skilled at anything, but they think
they are because they've been getting these inflating grades forever,

(20:27):
started when their parents told everybody that they're special, just
ignoring the definition of special. Special is a unique, select,
small group of the mass of whatever the thing is
that you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
But everybody is special.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
And then they all got a's, so they all think
that these brilliant special people, but in fact what they
are is they're the average, except their worst of the average.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Because while they have some knowledge.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
That I'm going to do anything, and now that they're
hired to do something they don't want to do it,
and they get freshmitted with they told they.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Have work, work, work, work work.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
What a perfect prescription, What a perfect route for the
Marxists to go after. Next piece that I want to share,
Andy Kessler, also in the Wall Street Journal. He moves
to the next thing about how, okay, let's suppose we
do this Marxism thing, how it turns into a disaster.
This shouldn't be necessary to explain because we've got about,

(21:21):
you know, Kyle Marx came around, and Russia was the
first country to take it in really big with the
Revolution in nineteen seventeen, and all of this stuff. We've
had over a century of watching this, and it keeps
happening the same way over and over and over and
over again. But all of these well educated people don't
know it because they've been educated by people who kind

(21:43):
of lean toward Marxism. Anyway, the perfect example of somebody
who would buy into Marxism is somebody that's got a
reasonably well paying job that doesn't have to work very
hard and has no fear of being fired. University professors
and most for that matter, public school unionized teachers.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
All right, here's Kessler.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Anarchists detonated a bomb in nineteen twenty at JP Morgan
and Company's headquarters at twenty three Wall Street, killing thirty
eight and wounding more than one hundred. Scars from that
bombing are still visible today. So are anarchists. As the
little Girl said in Poltergeist two, they're back. Will new
socialists New York City mayor Zoraan Mamdani lead to disorder,

(22:32):
free party buses and no cops? Here's a hint. He
tweeted in twenty twenty. Taxation isn't theft? Capitalism is? How
about a one hundred percent tax rate? Comrade, Anarchy is
in the air, Alex Soros. That's George Soros's son celebrated
the New York mayor result by tweeting, the American Dream continues.

(22:54):
His father's Open Society Foundation has a history of funding anarchy,
producing criminal justice reforms and anti police movements.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Some American breed.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Now let me interject where he's going with is this
Marxism leads to violence and disorder. This is in their
playbook and for people that well, but people will then
turn against it. Look at twenty twenty COVID and then
the George Floyd riots, and then Trump loses. Now Trump

(23:26):
believes that it was stolen from him, without regard to that.
Trump did better in sixteen, but better in twenty four.
It was during the period of time in which this
anarchy was going on that the left actually thrived.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
It's been part of their playbook forever.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
You go back to rules for radicals and all of
the prescriptions that the left has. It's always violence, violence, violence, violence,
violence that think about Marxists. Marxists always become violent. Example
Castro Comma, Fidel guervera comma chi. Let me get back
now to column why anarchy and destruction of social order?

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Always ask who benefits?

Speaker 2 (24:06):
The breakdown of society is a means to an end
the long game of political control. Citizens' scream save me,
This isn't new. The Reichstag fire, food shortage is driving
a Bolshevik uprising, pandemic riots. Anarchy works. I have no
lug for czars, but control often passes to political systems

(24:27):
that are much worse socialism, communism, authoritarian control. Only the
new rulers are better off. But wait, isn't society crumbling?
Haven't you heard that? Costs or skyrocketing jobs are hard
to find. Late stage capitalism is failing and the source
of all evil. Many youths think socialism save me, but

(24:49):
there's always economic upheaval. Unlike anarchy, economic chaos is driven
by creative destruction, and productivity is a long term plus.
It generates societal wealth by breaking down a sclerotic status
quo and bringing better living standards. Anarchy destroys wealth to
get power. The nineteen seventies were dismal. In nineteen seventy six,

(25:10):
the sex Pistols released Anarchy in the UK, which goes,
don't know what I want, but I know how to
get it. I want to destroy passers by and God
save the Queen Johnny Rotten saying.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
No future, no future for you.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
It resonated jobs are scarce, inflation was roaring, unions ruled
schools failed to educate. Sound familiar. Today, under educated youths,
along with a quieter illegal immigrant population, are complaining about
no future. Will socialists and anarchy save them?

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Hardly?

Speaker 2 (25:43):
It was an anarchist that ended the seventies malaise. It
was a different type of voter frustration regime change that
upended the status quo free marketeers like Margaret Thatcher and
Ronald Reagan. Constructionists, not anarchists, still disorder sell. I've noticed
the New York Times now labels the twenty twenty George

(26:04):
Floyd riots as quote broadlay peaceful protests because because CNN's
mostly peaceful protests was ridiculed so badly. Anarchy ruled in
Seattle's Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone in twenty twenty and in
the smelly Occupy Wall Street encampments of twenty eleven. Add
to the list the January sixth, twenty twenty one mouth

(26:26):
breathers who stormed the Capitol, the recent campus protests, and
progressive support of Hamas terrorists in Gaza and further Middle
East unrest is all about anarchy. Same for Greta Thunberg's
omni cause of grievances. Europe was left behind because of
green spending anarchy, especially bent during cold winters. Again, why

(26:47):
who benefits?

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Say that's the key.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
There are two keys to understanding everything in life. This
is me and not Kessler. Who benefits? And follow the money?
They're different ways of saying the same thing. Who benefits,
follow the money? Ask yourself that about DEI becomes very
easy to understand. Now, his piece goes on, I want

(27:16):
to move to another commentator, Joe Rogan, on his podcast
this week, he said he believes that we're probably he
used the term at a seven seventy percent likely to
have a civil war in the United States, and his
comments deal with his.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
This is the guy who used to be on the left.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
How stunned he was to see so many people celebrating
and happy that Charlie Kirk was killed. Now I think
I'm farther ahead on Rogan on this. I've been seeing
this for some time. I'm going to explain with my
why this is happening, which is my conclusion after we
get to Rogan. So Rogan's now on the third point,
the number of Americans that are no embracing the notion

(27:59):
of violence and killing the opposition, and how this sentiment
is almost entirely from the left, in other words, the
Marxist world from Fox News, podcast host Joe Rogan warned
on Tuesday that not just the death of TPUSA co
founder Charlie Kirk, but the celebration of it, indicates the
country is inching closer to a civil war. Rogan spoke

(28:21):
with his guest Brian Redbond about how there has been
a chaotic back and forth kit for tat between America's
political left and right in recent years. He argued the
stark division within the country was expressed by the murder
of Kirk during a campus event this past September. Quote,
Charlie Kirk gets shot and people are celebrating, like.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
You want people to die that you disagree with? Like,
where are we right now on the scale of one
too civil war? Where are we Are we at seven?
Because I thought we were at five. I thought we
were like four, four, five, he said during Twoday's podcasts
of the Joe Rogan Experience. But after the Charlie Kirk thing,

(29:04):
I'm like, oh, we might be like seven, might be
like seven on the way to a bonafide civil war.
Rogan highlighted how it's not just people on the margins,
but people in respected fields posting their joy about an
assassination on their public social media profiles. Let me interject,

(29:25):
it was big shots, as educators, fairly prominent people. These
are the ones that were saying all these positive and
wonderful things that it's always.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
In it right that Charlie Kirk was killed again.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
This goes back to the kinds of people that are
biting into the Marxism thing.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
All right.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Now, Rogan goes on in which he thinks that there's
a real chance of civil war. And the reason he
believes this is when they start killing people right and
left and taking away of rights and the socialism comes in.
Do you really think that everybody else is just going
to roll over on this? Now, Marxism always leads to this.
You go back to wrought history. Marxism comes in under

(30:06):
the name of socialism. Oh, it's going to be wonderful.
Everybody's going to all these things that are free, blah
blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
And we have tyrants that are in charge.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
We got rid of them. But then it doesn't work.
Marxism never works. And as a result of that, in
order for the Marxists to maintain power, that's when freedom
is taken away, and that's when they start killing people.
That's when the elections end. When the left talks about
a threat to democracy, they're talking about a threat to
when they lose elections. Castro and Chrigevera overthrew the Batista

(30:41):
government and Cuban in the late nineteen fifties. There hasn't
been a real election there said, there still isn't any freedom.
They send the kids to re indoctrination schools, ban the church.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Could happened in Russia. Same thing. Watch the movie read
it was a Warren Baby movie.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
It focused on Jack Raid in America and fell in
love with the Russian Revolution. Is so all this high
minded stuff and it was going to be wonderful for
one hundred years. All Russia was was terrible repression. And
it was repression because the economic system didn't work. It's
so simple to understand why it doesn't work. If you

(31:26):
don't pay people a lot of money for producing things,
they're not going to produce anything, so then we don't
have anything produced. So everything costs a fortune and everybody
is miserable. This whole thing falls apart. It's always fallen
apart the people that are most open to it, on
people who aren't buying into what you need to have
to do under capitalism to succeed, which means create value

(31:51):
unto yourself. You have to bring something to the table
and then you gotta work your ass off or come
up with an idea. So dog on good that you
can sell your company make zillions. It's always been the case. Well,
they don't want to do any of those things. First
of all, they're not smart enough to create anything that's
worth value. And secondly, they don't want to work, so
they buy into this next thing.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
And then when somebody's.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Trying to obstruct and stop them on their way to Marxism, well,
we gotta kill him. We gotta kill him, We gotta
kill him, we gotta kill him. And there's gonna be
more of it.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Let me move on.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
The I believe it's overwhelmingly likely that the Supreme Court
is going to strike down Trump's ability to teariff, which
I think is going to be a very very bad thing. Now,
the argument is whether or a Trump has the ability
to tear iff on his owner if he needs congressional approval.
The Supreme Court says that only Congress has to approve taxation.
Tariffs are attacks. It's just unclear if tariffs are attacks.

(32:52):
I don't think they are, but I understand why people
can make the point the tariff is something that is
levied on them of the product. Is that a tax
that's levied out in America? And you can argue if
the product's being imported from overseas, it's being levied on
the foreigners, it's being levied on a foreign nation, it's

(33:14):
a charge to them, meaning it's foreign policy, which is
the entire domain.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Of the executive.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
The Congress has, other than declaration of war, zero role
and foreign policy, and the courts of zero role in
foreign policy. But taxation, that's a congressional thing. Trump argues
its foreign policy, and he's using emergency status to govern
with these tariffs, and the opponents are saying it's taxation,

(33:40):
and I suspect the Supreme Court is going to try
to clip the wings of the executive, fearing that the
executive is.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Taking too much power here.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
In any event, one of the things happening with the
tariffs is, you know, they're being paid and a fortune
is coming in.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
So Trump's floating this idea.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
It's not going to happen because there's no way the
Congress is going to approve it. But Trump said, let's
send two thousand dollars every taxpayer in the United States,
and we've got so much tariff money flowing in that
we're going to rebate some of it. Now, you could
argue that that's a bad idea because the money should
be used to produce the federal deficit, come closer to
balancing the budget and so on, rather than giving it
back to the people. I think the reason Trump is

(34:15):
throwing this out there is so that people realize just
how much money we're making.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Off of ball of this.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, some people argue that they're raising prices. I haven't
seen any evidence of it. Inflation's running under three percent.
The money rolling into the government is a counter to that.
Now this I've been on this for several days, and

(34:42):
I want to continue with a brief segment. I think
I always have a sense when things don't sink into people.
I've been like any number of segments on why why
Obamacare is falling.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Apart, and that's the need for the bailout.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Now, I want to go back to something that I
said though during the discussion of Marxism.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Who benefits follow the money? Who benefited.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
From Obamacare? Follow the money? Is a way of saying
the same thing some people actually don't know. It's the
same thing who benefited from mandating the COVID vaccines the
companies that sold the vaccines, right, Can you imagine being

(35:32):
in a business in which people were ordered to buy
your product.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
What a great thing to be in. Right. Who benefited
from Obama?

Speaker 2 (35:40):
The insurance companies benefited. We had this group of people
that weren't insured. Now they were part of Obamacare, so
they were insured. That means the insurance companies are being paid,
and they were being paid with these massive subsidies that

(36:00):
came from the government. Some quotes on this that I found.
This is a piece from justinnews dot com. The Obamacare
secret At the heart of the shutdown, insurers made billions
at taxpayer expense. Subsidies were greatly expanded by the Biden
administration during the COVID pandemic as an emergency measure, but

(36:21):
Democrats have fought to keep them permanent. Those subsidies were
mostly to Democratic donors large healthcare insurers. By the way,
if you take a look at the donations made by
the healthcare insurance industry, almost all the time, I didn't
say all, Almost all the top recipients are Democrats. You
know who's number one in the Senate number one recipient

(36:44):
of health insurance money. Take a guess, no, per specifically
Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders is the number one recipient of
contributions from the health insurance industry.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Very revealing. RFK Junior called him on on that one.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
They were having a back and forth on one of
those here atino y and his breath sometimes his gravelly
voice is effective.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Was a fact, Bernie, you'll tet money, you'll talk more money.
Do you take more money than any of them? Then,
Bernie souey coming from the employees. Of course, it's coming
from the employees.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
The corporations can't make the political contributions on their own,
but they're highly paid executives. The see and the individual
employee can kick in billions out of the millions of
dollars into these political action committees, the independent expenditures, and
so on. Anyway, back to the peace, the Obamacare insurance
exchanges also have another major flaw that fuels corporate profits.

(37:42):
Now listen to this sentence. Remember the majority of people, Yeah,
that's correct. Majority people on Obamacare are under fifty. Remember
Medicare is for senior citizens, Medicaid is for the very poor.
Obamacare is the group in between. A lot of them
are the middle to lower middle class, and many of

(38:08):
them are relatively young. What do we know about sickness
as a general rule, with a democratic demographic tilt to it.
The only are the sicker you gain and the more
healthcare you need. What's the perfect whether it's auto insurance,
homeowners insurance, who's the perfect client? You should be able

(38:29):
to get this. If you're an insurance company, who's the
perfect client? No, no, no, exactly any insurance company the
exact opposite somebody who's never sick. Suppose you have auto
insurance and autobile insurance policy, you don't make a claim
in nine years, that's the perfect client. Well, that's a
lot of the people at Obamacare. They never use their

(38:52):
health insurance. They never get past the deductible that you
have to pay her the out of pocket maximum. So
that point is made in this sentence. The Obamacare insurance
exchanges also have another major flaw that fuels corporate profits.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
About a third of all subsidized.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Obamacare health plans go unused by the insured.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Think of that one third.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
One third of the health plans under Obamacare are not
used by the person who has it.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
In other words, they don't tap in for a single.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Benefit they're not sick, meaning these plans translate into pure
profits for the health insurance companies at the expense of
the America taxpayer. Now you dig a guy like me
who had a stroke a few years ago and asked
to go to the doctor for this, that and the

(39:42):
other thing. Hard to see how any insurance company is
going to make much money off of me. Now you
take somebody who's thirty eight years old, has insurance under Obamacare,
and maybe they have to go for a physical once
a year, and that's it, and they're not even on
any meds, or they got a couple, but it doesn't
hit the autopogomatics.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
It's just for them. So again, who wins? The insurance
companies win.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Scott Jennings, the token conservative over at CNN, this is
what he said about this quote. One thing that came
out of this entire fight is that Obamacare has been
exposed as a complete and utter failure. We all know what.
Everybody admits it. The other thing that came out is
the Democrats are willing to make people suffer. We heard

(40:33):
Democrat after Democrats say quote, we just couldn't prolong the suffering.
So they admit their political tactics were designed to inflict
suffering on American people. We learned about cynical politics. The
overall system of healthcare is going to have to be
dealt with because the system has failed. I think it

(40:53):
is bipartisan. Everyone admits it. God Jennings what the Republicans
have said, and I agree with them. Okay, you've got
all these people that are at Obamacare. We can't just
have their premiums triple. That's a real hardship for them.
It's not their fault. But in creating a fix that

(41:13):
includes continuing the subsidies that these people can afford care,
we've got to create reforms in there to end these
incredible abuses. As I say, the insurance companies are making
a killing on these things. Going back to the basic

(41:34):
rule of insurance, which again you'd think everybody would know,
but I realized that some people out there are lefties
and don't know anything. Others are the people that glom
onto my program because they actually learn things because it's
never even presented to them anywhere else. How do insurance
companies make money off the people who don't make claims? Seriously,
I think people don't understand that off the people who

(41:56):
don't make claims, or hardly ever make claims, or only
making little claims, and they're willing to eat the people
who put in a lot of claims because it's overrun
on the other side by the profits and the people
that don't put in the claims. And they have to
set the insurance rates high enough to cover the cost

(42:17):
that they have to pay out, whether it's health insurance
or a cairecor whatever it is, a fire, et cetera.
And everybody pays those claims and wait, the system works
is they have to.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Charge it high enough for the people who don't put
in claims.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
So the thing with Obamacare is, even people went to
the doctor a lot, weren't putting in claims because the
obamacares have these high minimums, the annual deductible, the first
so much you have to pay and so on. That
the insurance companies weren't being danged. They'd only be dinged
if somebody in this age group, and many were young,
had some serious, awful illness for which they were hospitalized
for months and months and months. Those are the ones

(42:52):
that the hut that the insurance companies lose off them.
Why do you think the insurance companies wanted it so badly?
And why do you think that the health insurance company.
But he's give so much money to democrats. Well, now,
you know, I know some people. There's a woman I
know in Florida. I dated her like two or three

(43:16):
years ago. I lose track of the years.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I've been down there. She had some.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
She hated insurance. She's well off, she hated insurance. I
just thought, this is an unusual thing to hate. I'm,
by the way, one of the opposite. I'm one of
these people that pays. I've got lots of insurance and
an umbrella and all of this, And you know, I
want in terms of my health insurance. Obviously, given the

(43:44):
health conditions I have in my age, I have to
go and get certain treatments and so on. But on
the other stuff, I probably err on the side of
way more insurance than you would need, et cetera. Right,
I just want that peace of mind. I want the
peace of mind if God forbid some awful automobile accent
it occurs, and so on, that I have covering and
I don't have to tap into my life savings and
say I'm just somebody who in that. I'm fiscally conservative

(44:06):
in that area. Right, Well, this was the opposite. She
just hated insurance. Now, if you're in Florida, insurance property casual,
the auto insurance is very expensive in Florida.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
It just is.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
She hated insurance. And she told me she didn't have
homeowners insurance, just didn't have it. Said, screw it, I'm
self insuring. Self insuring means I've got enough money that
I have to pay for anything, I'll pay for it
out of pocket. Well, you know what if somebody's walking
their dog and they trip on something in your yard
and all of this and they sue you. And it

(44:44):
was just she just hated insurance. I mean, I kind
of disliked. I don't dislike the insurance companies. I understand
why they want obamacaren.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
I understand where they want all of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
It's the same reason why I understood why the drug
companies wanted a man date the COVID vaccines. They're making money,
but it's not a reason for the government for the
people to do what they want them to do.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
What we don't have to do what they want to
be done. Did you follow that? Did you follow that
or not?

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I had the word them in there too many extra times.
I have another topic that we need to dive into here.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Two of them.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Actually, let's start with it's kind of a good news
bad news story. I won't tease it any more than that.
This is the Mark Belling podcast. This is the Mark
Belling Podcast. I'm struck by the number. First of all liberals,
they're always wrong. They're stupid. They can't learn anything. They

(45:44):
just do not learn. It doesn't matter how many times
the thing that they believe in has been disproven.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
They simply have this. They're like, it'd be like the
weirdest thing.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Imagine you got a baseball player that's batting like one
fifty two for his batting average.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Kind of like, we're Joe your tease.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Wise, the first half of the season, he turned it
around to the second that guy usually isn't gonna cut.
One of the problems is when you lack confidence, you
do poor. You know, if you think you're gonna miss
a putt engulfing, you're gonna miss the putt. If you
think you're gonna make it, you might not make it,
but you're way likely. Free throws that's another one. If
you think you're gonna make the free throw, you're likely

(46:21):
to make the free throw. Then oh god, don't follow me.
I don't want to go to the free throw line.
Liberals are this hoddest, this oddest group. Their percentage is
like twenty two point two two, that's their batting average.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
But they convince they're gonna get it hit.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
They just can I they can I. They don't seem
to understand how stupid they are.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
There's another group.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Though, that's kind of in the middle of that, of
people who aren't liberal but just they don't know. This
is kind of mostly for them. I sometimes wonder how
people that aren't liberal that are in this kind of
I don't know category can't figure out certain things. It

(47:00):
seemed to me to be obvious. Here's one of the
things that to me is obvious. If you want economic development,
put a freeway in. Look all the economic development is
there's a freeway. It's just amazing. Oh, it's all right,
it's all kind of right there by the freeway.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Lefties are the opposite.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
They think, if you want economic development, tear it on
the freeway. This I seven ninety four thing, for those
of you not familiar. I seventy four is the spur
of the freeway that runs into downtown Milwaukee. The I
forty three and I ninety four freeways. The two interstates
that run through Milwaukee neither go into downtown. They skirt

(47:43):
the downtown. Seven ninety four is the one that runs
right into the downtown. It's just south for those of
you who are to Milwaukee at all of Wisconsin Avenue,
which is.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Kind of used to be the center of the downtown.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
The lefties to tear it down. They think this will
produce more economic development. Now, I've explained and gone through
and debunked this on several programs, so I don't want
to spend too much time on it.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
But they don't.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
And the reason that they think it will produce economic
development is they say, well, look at all this land
right by the freeway, we can develop it. Well, they're
on the right track on that, but then they take
the track and their mind's the rail. The reason that
land seems valuable is because it's on the freeway. The

(48:34):
freeway is not there, it's just empty lots that are.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Part of congestion.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Obviously, when you have a freeway, some things can't be
developed right at it.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
The land right under it, for example, you.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Know and give or takes, say sixty yards in each
direction can't be because you need that space for the
roads themselves, in the entrance ramps and so on.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
But tear it a double.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
We can develop all that land that's underneath all of
it that, but when it doesn't have the freeway anymore,
it's just gonna be crappy area that you.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Can't get to.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Secondly, they don't seem to understand that one of the
reasons that they land adjacent to the freeway is valuable
is because the freeway is there. They serious, I'm serious
about this. The two areas that have boomed to Milwaukee,
and I'm telling you, the only two in the whole city.
You go from like Northridge on the northwest to the

(49:29):
airport in the southeast, there's only two areas of the
sate of Milwaukee that are booming, the third ward and
the lower east side edge of downtown, the only two.
Who do you think what.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Freeway do you think serves those two groups? Seven ninety four?

Speaker 2 (49:47):
All right, So now these studies are being done, should
we tear it down every place?

Speaker 3 (49:51):
And their idea is to tear it down, We're.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Gonna just put all this traffic you'd have to get
off the freeway like a tenth street near the market
interchange and drive on city streets. This is compounded by
the fact that may Or Chevy's putting all these curbs
and concrete in the middle of the streets and so on.
First study the dot. Now the dot in Wisconsin is
part of the Ebers administration.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
They're lefty.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Now their latest study indicates, I'll quote from the headline
on js on this is actually from the prediction of
the journal New Wizdot Analysis Eyes Congestion Agency I seven
ninety four removal would clog side streets.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Dumb kidding.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
All right, now, let me the following forty seconds is
for those of you that I don't want to say dumb?

Speaker 3 (50:38):
What words should I say? Well? Dumb?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Well, if you're no, that's not a bad thing to
be dumb, because if you listen to this and accept it,
you're less dumb. This is how you go from being
dumb to smart. I was very very dumb for a
long period of time. I was very highly educated, but
it was very very dumb because I didn't understand any.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Of these things.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
You over there, where are you in the dumbness smart scale?
Above A well, okay, you're above average. Where were you
when you're started with me dumb as a box of rocks. Right,
all right, Now, let's imagine you've got traffic and it's
all on this freeway right now, and the freeway isn't there.

(51:18):
It has to come somewhere, So the dew's gonna create congestion,
No bleeping kidding. What happens when there's congestion. There's an
old saying it's a tributary to Yogi Berra. I've been
told that none of the things Yogi Berra said. He
actually said, people they find a tape of Yogi saying

(51:40):
any of these things. Anyways, supposedly said that place is
so crowded nobody goes there anymore. See, when you think
about it, that actually makes sense, but it sounds like
it's nonsense. But obviously there are certain things that many
of us avoid because it's too crowded. Said, well, that
is obviously it's successful because it's crowded.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
But if even more masses have to avoid it, that
means they're avoiding it because of the crowds. Anyone who
has seen traffic and now we're seeing the whole thing
with regard to the I ninety four reconstruction going on
in Milwaukee County. It's resulting in more people using eight
ninety four et cetera to get out of the congestion
that's in that area.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
People will do anything to avoid the congestion.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
And if the city of Milwaukee is congested, people are
just going to try to avoid that altogether. And it
becomes an a turrent to develop business. It becomes anturrent
to housing and so on, which is why almost every
part of the state of Wisconsin that has economic activity
and is booming right now is on an interstate or
otherwise major So the dot now is coming up with this,
it's going to create congestion. This is a major step

(52:44):
forward because, as I say, the consensus I think is
starting to move toward we can't do this. Next, the
Association of Commercial Realtors. Do you have to explain what
they are or is it self explanatory. It's self explanatory.
They have a new report it's in the Business and
JS online today in which it says this would be
an economic disaster. It would not create development, development would crash,

(53:09):
and that defeats the entire.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Argument then to do it.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
The people advocating it are saying, if you tear it
on the freeway, there'll be more economic development. The commercial
realtors the entity that benefits the most economic development because
they're selling the property and selling the buildings and so
what are saying it will kill economic development by creating
so much congestion and misery that people will avoid the
whole area. Here's how widespread this growing consensus is getting.

(53:37):
Jeff Wagner's commenting on it. Now, you probably are willing
to ask, how in the world would you know what
Jeff Wagner is commenting on? Why don't you want to
ask me that question? How old the world did I
know that? For some reason, Jeff Wagner's post on X
showed up on my x feed formerly known as Twitter.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Why does X think?

Speaker 2 (53:56):
I want to see what Jeff Wagner has to say
Elon Musk or whoever he's doing this, Though, Jeff Wagner
actually said something very intelligent and it popped up on
my feet. They were probably waiting for Jeff to say
something intelligent and then they slapped it in.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Front of me.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Here's what Jeff said. I'll give them one thing. The
anti car crowd never quits tearing down I seven ninety
four and dumping all that traffic onto surface streets is
one of the most staggeringly stupid ideas of the last
fifty years, maybe even dumber than the hop and that's
saying a lot.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Jeff Wagner all right, now to this story. The new
report card is out from DPI. The report card is.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
The ranking of all schools in the state of Wisconsin
by the Department of Public Instruction. One of the things
that they did, as you've discussed on several segments over
the past number of months, is they change the standards
for ranking. In other words, the example that I use is,
imagine if you're using a letter grade a grade in

(55:10):
your school. If you got a seventy four, that would
account to a D. And now they took the seventy
four and they just make.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
It a B and a D.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
You'd have to be fifty three and just making that up.
But that's what they did. They simply lowered each level
of standard. They ranked the schools on five stars. Every
school system in the state of Wisconsin is ranked on
five stars. Nobody gets no stars. The lowest score is
one star. Do you know how many school districts got

(55:39):
one star? None, not even MPs. The worst performing the
school distinct in Merrill apparently is a toilet.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Boulot's stinks.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
None of them got one star, more than half got
four or five stars. Let's discuss this for a moment.
DPI the Department of Public Instruction, and this same issue
came to four with their cover up of all of
the teachers that have been engaging and grooming or other

(56:14):
sexual activity in which reports were kept from the public,
and the public wasn't aware of the teachers that were
disciplined for this. Some lost their licenses, others did not
that there was a cover up of all of this,
and DPI is trying to end the hack. That's in
charge of DPI, Jill Undeley, is trying to explain away
all of this. The same thing is true with the

(56:34):
ranking of the public schools. Dpi's purpose is to oversee
public schools and all schools in the state of Wisconsin
in the same way that you got like the plumbing
board oversees the plumbers.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
It's supposed to be the oversight board. It's not supposed
to be the shill for board.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
DPI is supposed to try to hold schools to standards.
So if we see a school district over here that
stanks that's called out, but instead DPI has become the
entity that whitewashes all of these performances because the people
that are in DPI come from all the individual schools.
So the very purpose of DPI trying to elevate education,

(57:13):
they're doing the opposite. They're lowering it by taking education
that's crappy and telling us that it's good. In the
earlier segment, we talked about the sixty percent of kids
that were getting a's in college.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
It's the same thing with regard to the schools. They're
all four and five times. So you've got all these parents.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
In these committees that, oh, my Schot's success five star.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
I mean nothing.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
We are on a long term down trend of standardized
test scores declining but school district performance on the report
cards improving. You see the problem, of course with this,
and this problem will continue as long as the voters
of the state of Wisconsin keep electing shameless hacks for

(57:56):
the schools to the head of the DPI office.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Now here's a story for you. This is one of those.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
In which I'm not gonna say they got what they deserved,
but I'm close to saying they got what they deserved.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Let's imagine you want a business. What business?

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Well, you do want a business? Okay, which one do
we want to take? Well, you tell you you pick one.
I'm using you as an example here what storage? And
Paul's got a spailler doesn't have a storage in a business?

Speaker 3 (58:34):
All right?

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Now, I don't do you have any employees yet? Just
you're just you know, just let's imagine you get to
the point of needing employees.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I'm trying to make the example work.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Okay, So you're gonna name like a manager somebody that's
collecting the rent and is that what they call it?

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Rent? For the when you rent? Well, would.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
How dumb would you have to be to hire a
victed in Bessler to be that person?

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Beyond dumb? All right? Ten years ago the town clerk
in Lisbon. Lisbon is in.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Is it Waukeshore, Washington County? I think it's northern Waukeshaw County.
If I'm wrong and it's Southern's it's right near Menominee Falls, Lisbon.
She was the town clerk in the town of Lisbon.
Her name is Elizabeth Crouse. She was convicted of what
it's Waukeshaw. Yeah, it's right on the northern edge of

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Waukeshaw County, near the Menomine Falls area. She was convicted
of embezzling money from the town when she was the
town clerk.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
That was in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
The business here is not named, but she's now working
or was working at a business that's in the town
of Waukeshaw. The report in the Walkershaw Frameman does not
name the business. What do you think she's done there?
She's the business manager. She's charged at the BES. Now,
first of all, there's public records in all of this,

(01:00:05):
and because this is a school, even a Google search
it and I did it. The hits come up from
years ago with regard to her, and you do a
Google search on it and there's or she's convicted of embezzley.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Now, clearly you shouldn't blame the victim of a crime.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
You know, somebody does something stupid, they leave their door
unlocked or any number of things. You don't blame them
for being the victim of the crime. But you certainly
it's fair to question why what were you thinking? What
would anybody be thinking and hiring this woman? I or
just I've changed. See the thing about embezzlers, I understand

(01:00:40):
imbezzler's prior to coming to Milwaukee. So two separate radio
companies that I was at were embezzled. In both cases,
it was the nicest person in the building. See the
thing of it is, if you're gonna be embezzler, you
have to seem to be the nicest, most honest person
because if you're like, you know, some weasel like Paul, everybody,
nobody's gonna trust you with anybody thinking that snake will

(01:01:01):
steal it. Well, it's true, right, Like like the band
when they have the cookie sales from the high school
band and all of that, sometimes they'll get so stolen.
The person who steals somebody is always the one you
trusted the most because they put on this zero being
so trustworthy. That means they're barely good at like Buffalo
and anyway. Her name is Elizabeth Crouse. She's actually back

(01:01:23):
in Take Cheetah right now. She's been on probation often
on since their conviction from Lisbon, but they kept extending
her probation because she wasn't following the terms of her
probation another red flag. So when she was originally investigated
on this charge earlier in the year. They revoked her
probation and threw her back into and to Tate Cheetah.

(01:01:44):
Remember that your probation can be revoked. There's all these
terms that they have under it, beyond simply being convicted
of a crime, quoting from the Story and the Freeman.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
According to a complaint in.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
The case, a sheriff's deputy was dispatched to a business
in the I think I said town. It's now the
town of Waka Shaw history age to a village, but
it's the village of Waukisha, not the city, on February eighteenth,
to investigate a possible case of employee theft. The address
of the business was incomplete in the complaints, so for
some reason, the criminal complaint is not at this point
naming the business. However, the complaint indicates someone at the

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complaining business suspected that Kraus was behind the thefts, apparently
writing company checks to herself and cashing them to the
tune of forty one, five hundred and five dollars. On
February seventeenth, the manager saw I checked for thirty three
hundred dollars paid out to Kraus, but it was the
same amount as the company's rent, which was paid a
week earlier. The complaint said. A review of company books

(01:02:36):
showed that over the prior fourteen months, Krause appeared to
have written numerous checks to herself.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
No, here's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
I'm always intrigued by how people pull scams. It turns
out that when you know, I'll do an investigation the
subpoena and bank records. It turns out that repeatedly during
this time, she was venmowing money to her mother.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Do you have to explain what venmo is? Probably should.
It's one of these cash apps. It's like PayPal and
a number of others.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
She was venoing money right and left to her daughter,
and that her daughter would turn around and venmo money
back to her the same amount. Now, why would you
do this? I'm guessing it must be some attempt to
conceal the money that's going into her account, because when
you're seeing these deposits, the deposits are mostly from her
own daughter giving her money. In fact, the money that

(01:03:28):
was swiped, allegedly she would venmo.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
To her daughter kick it back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
The complaint, by the way, states that the daughter had
no knowledge of why this is going on. Her mother
would just telling her I need to do this, back
and forth. She probably gave her some re There's no
evidence that the daughter was in on this at all.
When managers and the deputy showed Kraus copies of the checks,
she replied the quote she had made a mistake, the
complaint said, and adding the quote. It was clarified with

(01:03:53):
the defendant that what she meant was that she had
made a mistake by writing herself checks.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Yeah, you made a mistake. You stole money. That was
a mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
I just think there's certain crimes that you're gonna go
one of two ways.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
You get caught and you go straight.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Drunk driving is like this, Oh my god, I got
the person person gainst the first EUI, and they just
they're so scared about this that they actually behave for
the rest of their lives. And there are other people
from whom it bounces right off of them. Almost everybody
involving in illicit pornography or sexual deviancy with miners and
so on, I think almost all of them are not reformable.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
I think the same is true of embezzlers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
I think if you embezzle and you get away with it,
You're gonna keep doing it and doing it and doing
If you embezzle then you get caught, you're probably wanting
to do it again, and you're gonna wait for the
perfect situation. And what's the perfect situation? And that is
where there isn't proper monitoring of the books. I mean,
it's very hard on some small businesses, but I've even
said with nonprofits, every nonprofit should have two party authors

(01:05:00):
for the signing of all checks or check Now is
becoming an archaic term disbursement of any form if you're
paying electronically or whatever. Now, two people can still be
in cahoots, but the chances that you'd have two crooks
is certainly less than the chance that there would be
simply one of them. And my guess is that this
business led she's a business manager. She was in charge

(01:05:22):
of all the books, and they weren't paying close enough attention,
and she was taking just enough that they didn't notice.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
And here's the problem with it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Eventually they take so much that it is noticed. And
here it's forty one thousand dollars. There may have been
something they haven't caught. Forty one thousand, So probably it
is a relatively small business and it got to the
point that somebody must have looked, gee, whatever, howma on,
how did all of this go? So here's Mark Belling's
smart tip of the day. I understand there's a shortage

(01:05:50):
of employees out there, but if you're looking to hire
somebody to handle your company's books and finances, don't I
an a pustler. See some things in life, boy, oh boy,
are they heart and we faced tough. We face tough
decisions all the time, right, but there are some that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Are not tough, some that are not tough. And now
to this, here's a good one. This is one of
these people. Did Everybody knows who it is, but they
don't know his name. Michael Burry. Know who that is?

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
You've seen a movie about him? I bet you have,
because just like it's one of these movies that like
everybody I know has seen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Remember The Big Short? You don't, Oh, you do?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
The Big Short was the movie that was made about
the guy that shorted the housing market and short of
the credit markets in six o seven, the period before
the credit markets melted down because of the housing crash.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
That was Michael Burry and they made the movie The
Big Short about him.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Well, we're still out there and he's an investor and
he now believes that the text. Some of them are
in the same situation. I indicated on the podcast. I
think last week again, I'm not like I'm Bury could
be wrong too, But he's a professional.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
I'm just a guy sitting here with an opinion. I
think the tech stocks are overvalued and in a bubble too.
I think that many of these TEX stocks are extremely
solid companies. I just think that there's stock prices that
are in a bubble that they've gotten way ahead of themselves,
just like housing does.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
And so on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Bury has a specific thing that he's focusing on, which
I think is quite interesting. Depreciation should I explain, But
I'm asking you a lot of questions and what to
explain today. Do you think most people know what depreciation is?

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
You do? I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
I'll explain it in terms of a business I'm in,
owning racesources. In this case, depreciation is a good thing
because you're able on depreciation to take a tax break
off of it. Depreciation means something is declining in value,
and in the case of a race horse, they will
you know, unless they go on a massive success, it's

(01:08:08):
stud They all decline in value for obvious reasons. A
horse that is two or three has more future in
them than a horse that is seven or eight.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Seven or eight. Probably they're not going to race anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Maybe they if they're good enough, they can go off
and be used for breeding purposes and so on. But
the older they get, the more they go down in value.
Let's imagine how you own, like a will, your storage units.
Now that's not a great example, but because they last forever,
don't they hold on those buildings ASTs sixty seventy years?

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Right? Yeah, but it's not the best example.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
But that storage unit building is going to be worth
less than twenty five years than it is now because
we more beat up. It's going to need more repairs,
more technical. Now, maybe it goes up because people moved
into the area and so on. But that's what depreciation is.
Depreciation is how something declines in value as it weighs.
With regard to tech products, we all know that they
become obsolete over a very short period of time. And

(01:09:06):
a perfect example of appreciation is an iPhone or your smartphone.
An iPhone, the newest one is a seventeen. I went
from a fourteen to a seventeen. Remember before I went
to the fourteen, I think I went from a nine
to a fourteen, and then I had to go to
a fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Because I was humiliated.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
I always whenever I hear that Paul's number is higher
than mine, I know that I need to move forward.
You're not at a seventeen yet I passed you today.
Well look at you. I think you told me once
and I say, oh my god, think you have a sixteen?

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Don't you fifteen? Well that was more.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
I have the fourteen. So when you go to a twenty,
then I'll get the twenty one. An iPhone eleven is
worth almost nothing if you're trying to sell an iPhone eleven,
virtually nothing because it's obsolete, because the other phones that
are newer do way way, way more. All right, getting
to the story, here's a bury Is pointing out understating

(01:09:59):
depreciation by extending useful life of assets.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Artificially boost earnings.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
So as they say, depreciation is a good thing if
you're looking for in stating your taxes, something's declined in value.
But if you're stating your company's profitability, then you want
to understate your depreciation. In other words, let's take just
something that you own that's depreciated, but you say it

(01:10:26):
it hasn't depreciated, or it's only depreciated two percent rather
than twenty percent. It makes your corporate earnings look better,
doesn't it. That's what Bury is saying. Here's his explanation
one of the more common frauds of the modern era.
Bury road massively ramping KPEX through purchase of Nvidia chips

(01:10:50):
and servers on a two to three year product cycle
should not result in the extension of useful lives of
computer equipment. Yet this is exact exactly what all the
hyper scalers have done. All right, here's what he's saying.
Because they keep buying brand new stuff. You know, the
Nvidia chips get so much better every year. They keep
buying new chips to replace the others, but they're not

(01:11:12):
depreciating the older chips at the rate by which they're
actually going out of existence. To make it more understandable,
let's imagine you're going to replace something after two years.
They're depreciating on the value of just say, sixteen percent
a year rather than fifty percent a year. Continuing should

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not result in the extension of useful lives of corporate
computer equipment. Yet this is exactly what all the hyperscalers
have done. Bury estimated that from twenty twenty six to
twenty twenty eight, the accounting maneuver would understate depreciation by
about one hundred and seventy six billion, inflating reported earnings
across the industry. In other words, if something's depreciated industry

(01:12:00):
wide by one hundred and seventy six billion, but you
don't depreciate it by that, that means you've overstated your
earnings by one hundred and seventy six billion, because the
depreciation goes as a loss on your ledger. But if
that loss simply doesn't show up, it makes your earnings
look better than they are. This is what he's claiming
is going on. He singled out Oracle and Meta Platforms
that's the parent of Facebook, saying their profits could be

(01:12:23):
overstated by roughly twenty seven and twenty one percent, respectively
in twenty twenty eight. Next, this is from a poster
on X named Shanaka eighty six. Silicon Valley's one hundred
and seventy billion dollar lie. The accounting, fraud, hiding and
plain sight meta Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Oracle five Titans quietly
extended server depreciation from three years to six years between

(01:12:46):
twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four. Right, what are
they say? Computer servers? You want to know where the
cloud is, it's these servers there. They were depreciating their
servers over a three year period. In other words, after
three years, you got to get a new one because
the new one way better. They extended the depreciation from
three years to six years. But the point that they're
arguing is they're actually still buying the new stuff every

(01:13:07):
three years, but they're claiming that their depreciation is over
six continuing, here's this point.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
It's all audited, it's all legal.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
It's disclosed in the footnotes that nobody reads. I seek
annual reports from a company I've never read. I don't
know know that I ever even read the report. I
certainly don't read the footnotes. So they're all disclosed. Again,
so this is their cover. It's disclosed in the reports
that a depreciation is over six years.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Here's what that means in English.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Four four hundred billion dollar has been annually on Nvidia GPUs.
That's chip that become obsolete every twelve months depreciated as
if they'll generate cash for six years. The math is simple,
the implications are catastrophic. By twenty twenty eight, this accounting
maneuver will have inflated reported earnings by one hundred and
seventy billion dollars no rebitue, not revenue, a phantom profit.

(01:14:01):
Meta alone books two point nine billion in savings by
pretending AI servers last five point five years. Oracle earnings
are overstated twenty six point nine percent by fiscal twenty
twenty eight. Peace on substack headline the Great AI Earnings Illusion.

(01:14:22):
How Silicon Valley engineered one hundred and seventy billion dollars
in phantom profits and then zero hedge, which is a
very conservative financial website. Oracle is the first AI dominated
a drop after Barclay's downgrades its debt to sell. I
should also mention that SoftBank, which is a huge Japanese
company that invests in tech companies, has sold sold all
its in video. Again, I'm not telling anybody what to do.

(01:14:45):
Don't follow me. I'm just being honest and with skill disclosure.
I think the tech stocks are overvalued. I've held in
VideA and done extreme moved off for the last several years.
I dumped it all. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe in video
is gonna keep going up. But in again, age comes
into this when you make decisions on your finances. I'm
somebody for home up fifty percent loss at this stage

(01:15:07):
of my life wall, you know, but if you're thirty,
things come back, et cetera. I just been looking at
these stocks exploding in value, and the numbers are so
good and so good and so good, and then you
see these little tip offset Maybe the profits are overstated, legal.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
But overstated.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
And again, you know, guys like Michael Burry that do
these shorts, they get movies made about them when they're right,
but when they're wrong, nobody notices. You know, there have
been people have been predicting this economic gloom and that
economic loom forever and ever and ever and ever. Usually
the same thing with gold. I said this years ago
when we're doing a radio show before the podcast. When
you hear zillions of gold commercials on the radio, that

(01:15:49):
means gold is peaked. When you hear nothing, because gold
has been on the toilet for ten years, that's the
time to buy. You're following all of this materiality. Yeah,
I mean I posted it's just like all stocks are
chasing it. I don't entirely agree with that, because I
think in general, stocks that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Are going up in price.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Probably are going to keep going up in price, that
they're going up in price for a reason.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
But the same thing with housing. Okay, housing's starting to
go up, how early are you in that going up period?

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
For instance, it's something starting to go down, I don't
think that necessarily means it's a buy. Maybe it's going
down because it's headed right to the toilet. But we're
talking here with the tech stocks. Is I just think
a hypervaluation of them for legit and I think they're
all solid companies. AI is real, all this stuff is real.

(01:16:44):
I just think that they've gotten over priced. But again,
I want to keep stressing this. I don't want people
run around. You said, and I sold, don't do anything
based on what I've said. I'm just giving you my
opinion on this. I might be right, I might be wrong.
Billy Joel's saying that you might be right, you might
What was that that's from Big Shot, wasn't it? You
may be right, you may be wrong, Yeah, Big shot.

(01:17:07):
It was in Big Shot, wasn't it. I don't know anymore. Well,
we can't play it because we can't play music on podcasts,
So I'll just have everybody out there screaming what the
correct answer is, and they'll be listening to this thing
like a ten twenty five at night of trying to
call like it was you maybe right? So it's not

(01:17:31):
in big Shot, it's and it's just you may be
right as its own song. Yeah, And I was thinking
that was in Big Shot. You know why these things are?
I bet you could figure out why these lyrics are
bouncing around.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
In my head. But why right now? Here's why? What
did I do over the weekend?

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
I was on a flight I always listened to I
always have my headphones on during the flight, and I'm
listening to the music that's preloaded into my phone. And
because there's no Wi Fi in the flight, I could
only listen to the music that was my phone, and
I was I listened to like Billy Joel's greatest hits,
so they all blended in together. And by the way,
when you take like the greatest hits from a Baby
Boomber band, that's two hours because it's always like a

(01:18:11):
double album because they have thirty five or forty of them.
It's not like the greatest hits of you know, Adele,
how many albums has she had, like three albums. It's
hard for her, hard to crank out a greatest hits
when it's.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
The whole uh whole uh uh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
It's time to take a break in here, isn't it.
I actually have a serious story, but we're going to
end on an amusing note. So a serious story first.
In the next segment end we'll end on an up note.
This is the Mark Belling podcast. This is the Mark
Belling podcast. I'm being heckled by my own producer in
here right now. Said that story, juniors, I said, I

(01:18:48):
even said they're a bad example of appreciation. I was
struggling to come up. The perfect example is the one
I started with the horse. Horses can appreciate If the
horse goes to stud and his and his progeny offspring
babies turned out to be really go the studfee can
go up, but every year that goes by, they're closer
to death, meaning there's less money that you can make
off of them. So an example of something depreciating, you

(01:19:08):
would argue, would be me. I am still making a
fortune for the company here, but at some point I'll
either lose all my marbles or croak, at which point
I become useless, right, Paul said, cars, Yeah, you are right.
Remember Tom booten Off, you just did a financial show
on at the very beginning of when I came here

(01:19:30):
eighty I don't remember when Tom ended, but like eighty
nine to ninety two, one two and so on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Cards are an appreciating asset. I remember embarking thatity.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Well I know that, Tom, but you're enjoying it. An
example of often an appreciating asset is a house. You
enjoy it, and if you're lucky, it goes up in value,
so you get to own. This is why I argue
it's running. You own the house and your value is
going up and you're getting something that you like. But
I mean, the reason that you buy a car and
it depreciates is you're getting.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
The enjoyment off of it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
An example of something that has one hundred percent instant
for depreciation to be a vacation.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
You're going your back home. At least the car lasts
a while, but.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
You know, even theification that you want to you got
that value when you have it, and then if you
have a properly wired life, the memories of it you share.
That continues in the quality of your life after you've
done it. So get get off my back on your store.
Judit's sit there, all right. Good news, bad news, good news.

(01:20:29):
This is the first story is actually good news, and
it requires brief analysis.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Syria.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Recall that the Asad government was overthrown. Some people thought
that was good, some people thought that was bad. I
thought it was good, as you recall, But it was
overthrown by you know, it's one group of radical Muslims
overthrowing another group of radical Muslims. Trump, and he doesn't
get enough credit for this. He's very good at managing radicals.

(01:21:00):
The thing about these radical Muslim groups is one radical
Muslim group hates the other radical Muslim group because they
all want power. Syria is now joining in the fight
against Islamic state sometimes called ices. This is a major
positive development. Syria and its new government kind of came

(01:21:22):
out of the terror movement because Asad was repressing them.
But now that they were a government themselves, they seem
to be working against terror.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
It doesn't look like they.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Intend to fund Hesbola much anymore either. The more we
can take the Middle East and turn it into a
region in which people are interested in making money, thriving
and improving the quality of life of their people, and
less a region where they simply want to kill one another,

(01:21:55):
especially Jews, the better. So I think this is a
positive development, not a horrible one. This story has been
going on for years. It's just gotten extremely bad the
last four months. I've mentioned it several times. It's a
story that hardly ever makes news because it's an inconvenient.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Truth for the left.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Genocide isn't the right term because I don't think a
genocide is the wiping out of a religion. A genocide
tends to be the wiping out of a race or
an ethnic group.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
There is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
However, whatever you don't there probably is a term for it.
I just don't know what it is for the wiping
out of a religion, kind of in the same way
that I think some people want to wipe out the
Jews in Israel. That's complicated because Israel is a country.
In addition to Judaism being a religion, one of the greatest,
in fact, the biggest area of growth of Christianity in

(01:22:49):
the world is Africa. Forty years ago, the population of Africa,
all of Africa, from the top of it to South
I think exclude South Africa, the white minority in South Africa.
The rest of it, there was virtually no Christianity in
the entire continent. There has been tremendous growth of both
Roman Catholicism and number of Protestant groups in Africa, based

(01:23:14):
primarily on missionary work. In fact, if you look at
the number of Roman Catholic priests in the United States,
an increasing number of them are of African descent, and
the reason for that is they're not needed in Africa
because so many young men in Africa are becoming priests
because there's a fervor for the religion. Secondly, the economic

(01:23:37):
reasons and so on are greater in impoverished areas, but
many Ugandans, Nigerians and others come to the United States.
There's also been tremendous success of a number of Protestant
missionary groups, particularly in the most impoverished part of Africa,
Central Africa. This is a tremendous threat to Muslims. The

(01:24:00):
whole problem, and it is the whole problem with Islam
is they believe that heretics must die, and a heretic
is someone who doesn't believe. There is now a mass
slaughter of Christians in Nigeria. It is accelerating and intensifying.
Trump is threatening to winter bene. Many people in the

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Maga movement do not understand the difference between Trump's intervention
and the old Neo Khan intervention. The old Neokan intervention
was sending troops and fight a war and never leave
i e. Afghanistan. Trump's intervention is to scare the crap

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out of you, to put an end to it and
make the world better and solve the problem so that
we're not farting around with it for the next fifty years.
Here there is a moral imperative. Were this the opposite,
if you had some predominantly Christian nation, let's say France,
where the Muslim popular minority population is exploding. If all

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of a sudden in France, right and left, thousands of
Muslims are being killed by French, you never hear the
end of it. Because this is and by the way,
in this predicorous everybody here is black. They're all by
definition African, They're all black. This is black Muslims killing
Black Christians and mass merely for the sin of being Christian,

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because they're terrified at the growth of Christianity in these
nations that were in the past either partly pagan and
remaining Muslim, or even one hundred percent Muslim.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
And finally, this I posted this on accident.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
I'm just going to repeat the way I posted in
an Next, we have a scoreboard here for manager of
the Year.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Here's the score.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Craig Council zero, Pat Murphy two. Pat Murphy or the
Brers did win Manager of the Year at the National League.
The book was released last night, the second year at
a row, meaning every year he's been the manager of
the Brewers the manager of the year. The funny thing
of it, and it's just to me, it is just hilarious.
When Craig Council was here here was regarded by the
entire world as the best manager in baseball, which is
why he got the second largest contract in the history

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of baseball managers when he was hired to manage the
Chicago Cubs. They wanted him because everyone just assumed that
Craig Council just was ahead of the curve in baseball,
managing the thing that we just don't know, and I
at some point there's going to be disclosure. I think
it's possible.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
The reason.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Do you know who his bench coach was from the
beginning day at the Brewers Council, Pat Murphy. How much
of this was Pat Murphy? They were very close. Pat
Murphy coached Craig Counsel and college at Notre Dame. They've
been lifelong friends and associates. How much of it was
Murphy's advice and how much was council? Probably a combination
of the two. But obviously there's not been a drop
off in the management. And when I say management, I

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don't mean just on field performance, decision making, development of talent,
use of players, positioning, all that stuff. Murphy's just a
guy that has gotten more out of a more limited
talent group than any manager baseball, which is why he's
won or two years in a row. Now there is
a caveat to this. Coach of the Year, manager of
the Year, all of these awards. It's never given to
the team that I wouldn't say never, virtually never the

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team with the best record. It's always the team that
exceeds expectations. So if a team, say UTSU's football goes
two to fifteen, and the following year they go, let's
see ten and seven. That guy's going to be coach
of the year because they improved expectations. Probably the best
coach was the team that won the Super Bowl, but
they rarely do win it. In the case of the Breweries,

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though they both they've come off of two of their
best seasons ever.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
You know, some of the people that will retort to this, well,
you didn't win a champion That truly didn't win a championship.
There's two measures of success in sports. How good of
a season did you have.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
And did you win a championship? Only one team can
win a championship. But if he didn't want a championship,
you want to have a very very good season. And
anyone who wanted to take, for example, the Chicago White Sox,
their fans are miserable.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
They've been terrible for years.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Nobody goes to the games teams that have been consistently
good but don't want a cheap But if the fans
go to the games and see all of this and
you're in it. But obviously for people are going to say, well,
what good is it? You didn't win a championship. Look
at all of these coaches that are getting fired all
across college football.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
There's only going.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
To be one champion, and we've got to fire every
coach except the team that won the national championship. I
wouldn't think so. I think though Pat Murphy has done
an outstanding job in the honor is well deserved. The
other thing curious about this is there have been almost
no repeat winners of Manager of the Year in baseball history,

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and the reason for that is it's usually a team
that improves. So if the manager wins it one year,
it's because they improved that year before. So how you
win it again because you had a good year last year. However,
everyone thought the Brewers would fall off this year because
you know, they let go of Devin Williams, made a
couple of other moves, and there was thought to be
a step back, et cetera, et cetera, And the Breweries

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didn't step back, so he won or two years ago.
The thing that's interesting, though, it's quite the coincidence the
American League Manager of the Year also wanted for the
second year in a row. The same two managers that
won last year won this year. Stephen Vote, who actually
was a Brewer at the tail end of his career.
He was backup catcher. Then he got hurt and he
spent the entire year on the injured list, and his

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teammates just loved him. But he was one of the
you know, often catchers become good managers because they're thinking
about all of that stuff. And it's both central divisions.
The manager of the Cleveland Guardian, Stephen Vote one Manager
of the Year two years in a row, and Pat
Murphy won a two years in a row. And I
think that that's the second and third time it's been done,
this time both in the same year. I might be
wrong in those numbers, but congratulations to Pat Murphy, who

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I think pretty much everybody Milwaukee loves, right. Yeah, I
mean he just yeah, I just the he's got one
of those like gooffall Milwaukee type personalities, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
The pancake the pete of pancake or whatever the hell
the thing is that he eats and so one and
you know, and that people liked it. He has his
kids sitting there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
But I found something out. I did not know this.
Do you know that there's a huge number of people
who think those are his grandkids. I just never knew
that because, for one thing, he often says, these are
my kids. But no, he had a second marriage, and
you know he's got pats I think sixty for he's
got kids that are a little bit younger than that.

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But I mean he has them sitting there, but they're
not like Braddy's stupid kids. So they just sit there
in the kind of yawn and otherwise behave themselves. It's
like if you were if your father was a manager
of a baseball team and they tried you out of ten,
you would have been an idiot, right. I would have
been perfectly well behaved, just as I am when.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
I do the podcast. That's it in here. I don't
know what's happened to me. I just football right now,
to me is not understandable. The NFL has gotten to
be not understandable to me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
Every one of the late games on Sunday, the winning
team had more than forty points.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
Monday night, the Packers and the Eagles have go to
offenses playing neither team can score it all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
I just beyond we are going to try to figure
things out with our football segment on the next podcast.

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