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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Yo, what up.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I'm Josh Martinez inside of our Dunkin Music Lounge, New
York City with.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
My guest Devin Cole. Hello, Darling.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hi. So it's a it's a pretty exciting time in
your life. We have a new album coming out at
the end of October, right, Two Shades Blonde.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yeah, why the title?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Ooh, well, that's one of the songs. And I feel
like this song really encompasses a lot of the growth
that I've been doing in the past couple of years.
It's about constantly reaching for something and never feeling content enough.
I always feel like, oh, if I move to this city,
I'll it'll cure my depression. Or if I go blonde,
(00:41):
it'll cure my depression. Or if I buy this thing,
if I smoke this thing, can I say.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
That, say whatever the fuck you want?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Okay, then I'll feel better And I never do.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
So it's it's I'm two shades blonder and still no
fun because blond are supposed to have more fun, you know, yeah, allegedly,
so oh yeah, that's why it's called two Shane's wonder.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So you mentioned kind of curing of depression. Are you
the typical type that if like something wrong goes in
her life, shopping or haircuts happen.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Ab absolutely absolutely, two words absolutely. I am an absolute chocoholic.
I love to shop, I love to thrift, and if
I'm going through something in my life, I'll usually cut
myself bangs.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Okay, so interesting. Yeah, have you learned new like cutting
techniques on TikTok?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No, they're getting worse. Oh it's getting worse.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Wait, your bangs are TikTok bangs?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
My bangs.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I haven't done it in a couple of years. They've
been growing out. Yeah, so I haven't been that depressed
in a while.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So okay, there we go.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Uh you mentioned thrifting and shopping the skirt, thank you?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Little story behind it?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yes, I have a fun fact about this. This might
embarrass somebody close to me, but I have to say it.
I was in Toronto recently and my skirt was just
in the living room at my mom's place, and I
was like, why is this here? I thought the dog
might have dragged it out or something. And it was
my brother's birthday the night before, and then he woke
up from his slumber and he said, why did I
(02:08):
wake up in your skirt.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I said, I have no idea I should be asking
you that. So I thought that was cute.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
So who looks better in the skirt? You were?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Literally probably him? It was it's his color for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
What what age did he turn?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
He turned twenty eighth?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, but he was wearing he was wearing a Toronto
Blue Jay shirt like, this is the color of the blue.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Not the throwback.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
No, no, no, the Toronto maple leafs O, somebody fire me.
And it looked really really good together.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
So really yeah, that with the maple leaf royal blue?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, okay, no, no, no, the Toronto maple leaves are
like indigo.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Come on, John, They're bright. But I would I would
say a little more roy whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, he looked great, awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Agree to disagree. But you just dropped a song, sugar daddy. Yes,
what was the songwriting process behind that? Because it is
a pretty unique message to the song it.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Is and for anybody who is listening who doesn't know,
it's not what you think. It's I make my own
sugar and I am my own daddy. And the songwriting
process was just pure fun. I really wanted to write
a song that was empowering. I feel like I've been
shedding a lot of layers of myself that no longer
(03:21):
serve me and really stepping into my confidence and trying
to work on my self esteem. And so it came
very naturally from that process of trying to work on
myself and stepping into a new confident era. And it's
just kind of a bad Bee anthem about being confident
(03:42):
and sexy and being your own breadwinner and not sacrificing
your happiness for anybody.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Nor should you. And also remember that no is a
complete sentence.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Oh my god, yes, yes, oh my god. That's something
that that has been the biggest learning for me. I
think as a woman and as a Canadian, I have
a tendency to want of people please and make sure
everybody's comfortable. And really this year I've been like I'm
a boss, I am the boss in certain areas and yeah,
(04:16):
so honoring that.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So you kind of got put onto the map with
the song, which yes, and then obviously you know a
couple of other songs have been with Sugar Dad included
kind of that empowering, very just it's all about you
in like a positive way. It's all about you and
hyping yourself up. Because that's the confidence that you have.
Where did that energy come from? Because it had to
(04:39):
have come from a place where maybe it was opposite
at a point.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Right, For sure, I think I write songs like that
because there are messages that I need to hear. I've
definitely struggled with liking myself, loving myself in my life,
and so I really love songs like that. Like there's
a song by me and Trainer me too, If I
(05:02):
was you, I want to be me too, you guys
know it, And I love that song like any any
kind of song like that. So there's songs that I
love to hear and love to consume, and I tend
to want to write things that I would want to
listen to, So that's where that comes from.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
So I'm just curious about the songwriting process behind the
song that is so empowering, that is so positive. I
would feel like it's a bit of a challenge to
sit down in the songwriting room and try to channel
that energy on a random writing session, right, So specifically,
with which do you remember what the mindset was writing
that song?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Well, I typically start with titles, and that's where a
lot of my songs come from. Sometimes they come organically,
and I don't start with the title. But I'm very
much a concept forward girly so, which was a concept
that I was having in my back pocket for a
while until the right kind of track came along. And
the same thing with Sugar Daddy. I'm like, how hilarious
(05:58):
is it to have a song called sugar Daddy? And
it's like about what you think? So it comes from titles?
Is that, Josh? Is that not the answer? You were
like looking, no, no, no, I.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's everyone has their own songwriting process.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, so I want to know what's yours because I'm
always fascinated by it because I feel like I feel
like a lot of people think that it's very much
kind of like, hey, I'm just going into a room.
I'm looking at eight people. They're writing me a song.
I'm just going to go in the booths and sing
it right. It's not especially at a level that you're
at where it's just kind of like it's all about
me right now, and I got to hustle, grind on
my own. So I'm always fascinated to hear what the
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songwriting process is, especially for a song that is so.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
The message is so obvious and clear with.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Which, yeah, well, I always I'm very much a top
down writer and I need to know what I'm writing
about before I start writing. It's like the same thing
with a thesis. It like guides your writing. Like nothing
scares me more than staring at a blank page or
having a blank track without having Oh it could be this,
we could write about this, what are we writing about?
(07:01):
Or at least a concept? But I write all my
own songs with other people, and I need that sense
of control. I really like to contribute.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
So, based on what you said, you are a PowerTOP
in the songwriting world.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Major.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So what do you do when you hit that creative block?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Like, do you have something that you do If you
have a songwriting session on a random, let's say Tuesday
night and you've just for days have not been able
to get over that writer's block hurdle, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Well?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
That happens, And that's very normal. And what I have
been trying to do is I keep coming back to
what Ed Sheerance has said. He says that you need
to let the tap run to get the dirty water
and get it out before you can get to the
good stuff. So you shouldn't be afraid of writing a
bad song. Just write the song, even if it's a
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bad one, and know that it's getting you one step
closer to a really good song. So I think I
had to get I have to remind myself that it's
pressure that I'm putting on myself and it's coming from
fear not wanting to write. I don't think there's any
such thing as writer's block. I think it's a fear.
Like you can write a song about donuts in like
two minutes and like, why not, there you go, You
(08:15):
wrote a song. So I think just understanding that it's
fear and pressure that's not letting you get past it.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Have you written a song maybe on your own personal
time and a notes app on your phone where you're like, Okay,
this is just a little too personal.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I'm not ready for that yet.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yes, but I am releasing one oh on this EP. Yeah,
on this two Shades Wander EP. It's called All Bad
and it makes me absolutely weep. We did a playback yesterday.
I wept twice, not once, twice, because it's very personal
and it's about things that make me want to cry,
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like feeling worthless, growing up, feeling worthless, being raised to
believe I'm worthless and kind of having to reparent myself
as an adult. So and it comes from a low
self estcene place. So it makes me upset. But I
think those songs are important. I asked the sound engineer guy,
(09:15):
I'm like, which one was your favorite, Edgar, and he said,
all that was my favorite. So I'm really excited to
be releasing it. But it's scary. It's scary. Those ones
are scary for.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
A song like that, For example, do you go into
it saying, Okay, I've been feeling down and now I'm
going to channel back to my childhood and try to
find that inner for lack of a better term, sadness
into that song?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
How did that songwriting?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
That song's writing process kind of break down if you remember.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I remember I was trying about trying to write about
anything other than me, like anything that's not real. Sometimes
I'll come in with titles and I'll say, we should
write a song about this. It's never happened to me before,
but let's write that. And the person that I was
writing with, I was telling him all these stories about
my life and he's like, you have so many stories
sad moments in your life. Let's just what if it
(10:04):
started like this and he really got that ball rolling
for me and allowed me the space to know that
it's okay to just be honest about the things that
you've gone through. So I think writing with the right person,
I think really helps opening those gates, because it is
scary to be so honest sometimes.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
So from a mental health standpoint, right when you get
off stage, you're feeling your highest. Yeah, there's no better
feeling than that, but you obviously got to come down.
And I'm always fascinated to ask people what do they
do to come down in a healthy matter, because anytime
you're coming down, it feels like just really bad depression
and you feel like basically the dirt worst.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
But you're just coming back to like an even field. Yeah,
I know, So is that you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Is there anything that you do to kind of get
you back to baseline safely?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Well, I tour my guitars and my drummer to to
my best friends, so I think that really helps. We
always sleep in one bed together, except my drummer snores,
so sometimes we make her wear a nose patch and
put her on the other side of the room.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I will highly recommend a mouthguard. Okay, that they could.
I have a custom mouthguard.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Okay, yeah, literally, I do not snore or like choke
in my sleep anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
We can talk about that offair. Nobody cares.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
But because she's still snoring, so like she needs help.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
So maybe that could be a Christmas.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Gift, yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
But back to your team.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Well, it helps to decompress with with them. We all
cuddle in one bed and usually watch a horror movie.
That's my favorite way to decompress. I just love being
like outside of my body, and it's it's fun to
do that in like a healthy way instead of smoking things,
you know what I mean. But I'm really grateful to
tour with like my best friends.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So am I holding this close enough?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Can y'all hear me? Okay? Good? I've always wanted to.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Hold one of these mics with like this triangle thing
on it. It's a nice like I feel secure.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I prefer the block the square more.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Holding it like a wine boss.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
It's just, you know what, I caught a lot of
shit one time holding it like this, and just to
annoy people, I will now know they do it at
random time. So like in another two minutes, I'll go
back to this, okay, just to annoy people.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I like it. It's like you're swirling a little glass exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
So you mentioned going on tour. You were on tour
last year.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Was there ever a city that like shocked you by
the amount of love that you got?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Montreal, Montreal. They are just down to party and they're
so supportive. And I think it helps that is Montreal,
and in Quebec, it's kind of a French speaking place,
so it helps if you learn a bit of their
their language and trying to get through that barrier. But
one time I was in a very French speaking place
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opening for this artist, Charlotte Carden, who's my I love
her so much, and I spoke little bit of French
and I could just see them like melt with joy.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
And everything changed after that moment. They were like, but I.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Love Quebec, and I think people in Montreal are so
down to support you and really like there for it,
even if they don't know your songs.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
So we were talking back there a little bit about
performing at the Calgary Stampede. Yes, Now, how would you
break down the Calgary Stampede two Americans that know nothing
about the Calgary Stampede.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Ooh okay, I would say it's like a.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Carnival slash rodeo, slash music festival slash beer fest. You
have anything that you would need in those areas, like
artists come in and perform, and then there's also chuck
wagon races and like bull what's it called with the
bull wrangling, which I don't super love, but some people
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are really into it. Alberta so like different strokes for
different folks, except save the animals. There's also like fried everything,
and a lot of drinking and partying and a lot
of wearing like cowboy boots, and it's just so fun.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's one of the few things that I genuinely want
to do in Life's go to the Calgary Stampede.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, it's so much fun. So I've heard you would
love it.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Too much fun depending on who you ask. From what
I've seen on social media and heard through the years.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It's like dirty fun. It's like there, it's gross.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I would go the first weekend when everybody's still like
and they're like pristine and fresh. By the second weekend
it's it's zombies vomiting in corners of tents, That's what
I would say, is that's.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
What we call Manhattan on a Saturday.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah. Amen.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So so before we wrap things up, we aren't a
Duncan music lounge as we see. I always like to
ask this question, if you sat at at Duncan yeah
s sixty minutes with one artist dead or alive, who
are you sitting.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
With Freddie Mercury?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Well you said that quickly.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yeah, Well, it's top of mind for me because I
just made my mom watch Bohemian Rhapstea the other day,
and I just love him. I love his story, I
love his confidence, I love his commitment to his artistry
and his not compromising attitude. He was very much like
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this stuff rocks, you can take it or leave it.
And I just love him. And I'm a really big, big,
big fan, and I just think you would kiki and
have a good time.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So before we wrap things up, what can we expect
from you for the rest of twenty twenty four?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
We know the album is the EP's coming out.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Next month and then into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Ooh, well, am I allowed to say this? I'm gonna
say it.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Well, I'm going on a touch of a pop up
series tour in November, I'm coming to New York and
Chicago and San Francisco and you.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Can find out about that on my Instagram or on
my website.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
And I'm hoping to do a Canadian moment tour, maybe
a more proper tour at the top of next year.
But I'm really excited. I've never done a headline moment before.
I'm petrified. I'm excited, and it's gonna be amazing, I hope,
and I know it's going to be amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
See that's that confidence. It's gonna be a sleigh if
you don't come your loss.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And you know what, that's the confidence we should all
possess on a daily basis.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
One more time, let's show some love. Devin Cole, thank you,
darling guys
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Thanks so much.
Hey, Yo, what up.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I'm Josh Martinez inside of our Dunkin Music Lounge, New
York City with.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
My guest Devin Cole. Hello, Darling.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hi. So it's a it's a pretty exciting time in
your life. We have a new album coming out at
the end of October, right, Two Shades Blonde.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yeah, why the title?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Ooh, well, that's one of the songs. And I feel
like this song really encompasses a lot of the growth
that I've been doing in the past couple of years.
It's about constantly reaching for something and never feeling content enough.
I always feel like, oh, if I move to this city,
I'll it'll cure my depression. Or if I go blonde,
(00:41):
it'll cure my depression. Or if I buy this thing,
if I smoke this thing, can I say.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
That, say whatever the fuck you want?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Okay, then I'll feel better And I never do.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
So it's it's I'm two shades blonder and still no
fun because blond are supposed to have more fun, you know, yeah, allegedly,
so oh yeah, that's why it's called two Shane's wonder.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So you mentioned kind of curing of depression. Are you
the typical type that if like something wrong goes in
her life, shopping or haircuts happen.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Ab absolutely absolutely, two words absolutely. I am an absolute chocoholic.
I love to shop, I love to thrift, and if
I'm going through something in my life, I'll usually cut
myself bangs.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Okay, so interesting. Yeah, have you learned new like cutting
techniques on TikTok?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No, they're getting worse. Oh it's getting worse.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Wait, your bangs are TikTok bangs?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
My bangs.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I haven't done it in a couple of years. They've
been growing out. Yeah, so I haven't been that depressed
in a while.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So okay, there we go.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Uh you mentioned thrifting and shopping the skirt, thank you?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Little story behind it?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yes, I have a fun fact about this. This might
embarrass somebody close to me, but I have to say it.
I was in Toronto recently and my skirt was just
in the living room at my mom's place, and I
was like, why is this here? I thought the dog
might have dragged it out or something. And it was
my brother's birthday the night before, and then he woke
up from his slumber and he said, why did I
(02:08):
wake up in your skirt.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I said, I have no idea I should be asking
you that. So I thought that was cute.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
So who looks better in the skirt? You were?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Literally probably him? It was it's his color for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
What what age did he turn?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
He turned twenty eighth?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, but he was wearing he was wearing a Toronto
Blue Jay shirt like, this is the color of the blue.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Not the throwback.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
No, no, no, the Toronto maple leafs O, somebody fire me.
And it looked really really good together.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
So really yeah, that with the maple leaf royal blue?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, okay, no, no, no, the Toronto maple leaves are
like indigo.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Come on, John, They're bright. But I would I would
say a little more roy whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, he looked great, awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Agree to disagree. But you just dropped a song, sugar daddy. Yes,
what was the songwriting process behind that? Because it is
a pretty unique message to the song it.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Is and for anybody who is listening who doesn't know,
it's not what you think. It's I make my own
sugar and I am my own daddy. And the songwriting
process was just pure fun. I really wanted to write
a song that was empowering. I feel like I've been
shedding a lot of layers of myself that no longer
(03:21):
serve me and really stepping into my confidence and trying
to work on my self esteem. And so it came
very naturally from that process of trying to work on
myself and stepping into a new confident era. And it's
just kind of a bad Bee anthem about being confident
(03:42):
and sexy and being your own breadwinner and not sacrificing
your happiness for anybody.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Nor should you. And also remember that no is a
complete sentence.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Oh my god, yes, yes, oh my god. That's something
that that has been the biggest learning for me. I
think as a woman and as a Canadian, I have
a tendency to want of people please and make sure
everybody's comfortable. And really this year I've been like I'm
a boss, I am the boss in certain areas and yeah,
(04:16):
so honoring that.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So you kind of got put onto the map with
the song, which yes, and then obviously you know a
couple of other songs have been with Sugar Dad included
kind of that empowering, very just it's all about you
in like a positive way. It's all about you and
hyping yourself up. Because that's the confidence that you have.
Where did that energy come from? Because it had to
(04:39):
have come from a place where maybe it was opposite
at a point.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Right, For sure, I think I write songs like that
because there are messages that I need to hear. I've
definitely struggled with liking myself, loving myself in my life,
and so I really love songs like that. Like there's
a song by me and Trainer me too, If I
(05:02):
was you, I want to be me too, you guys
know it, And I love that song like any any
kind of song like that. So there's songs that I
love to hear and love to consume, and I tend
to want to write things that I would want to
listen to, So that's where that comes from.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
So I'm just curious about the songwriting process behind the
song that is so empowering, that is so positive. I
would feel like it's a bit of a challenge to
sit down in the songwriting room and try to channel
that energy on a random writing session, right, So specifically,
with which do you remember what the mindset was writing
that song?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Well, I typically start with titles, and that's where a
lot of my songs come from. Sometimes they come organically,
and I don't start with the title. But I'm very
much a concept forward girly so, which was a concept
that I was having in my back pocket for a
while until the right kind of track came along. And
the same thing with Sugar Daddy. I'm like, how hilarious
(05:58):
is it to have a song called sugar Daddy? And
it's like about what you think? So it comes from titles?
Is that, Josh? Is that not the answer? You were
like looking, no, no, no, I.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's everyone has their own songwriting process.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, so I want to know what's yours because I'm
always fascinated by it because I feel like I feel
like a lot of people think that it's very much
kind of like, hey, I'm just going into a room.
I'm looking at eight people. They're writing me a song.
I'm just going to go in the booths and sing
it right. It's not especially at a level that you're
at where it's just kind of like it's all about
me right now, and I got to hustle, grind on
my own. So I'm always fascinated to hear what the
(06:34):
songwriting process is, especially for a song that is so.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
The message is so obvious and clear with.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Which, yeah, well, I always I'm very much a top
down writer and I need to know what I'm writing
about before I start writing. It's like the same thing
with a thesis. It like guides your writing. Like nothing
scares me more than staring at a blank page or
having a blank track without having Oh it could be this,
we could write about this, what are we writing about?
(07:01):
Or at least a concept? But I write all my
own songs with other people, and I need that sense
of control. I really like to contribute.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
So, based on what you said, you are a PowerTOP
in the songwriting world.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Major.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So what do you do when you hit that creative block?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Like, do you have something that you do If you
have a songwriting session on a random, let's say Tuesday
night and you've just for days have not been able
to get over that writer's block hurdle, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Well?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
That happens, And that's very normal. And what I have
been trying to do is I keep coming back to
what Ed Sheerance has said. He says that you need
to let the tap run to get the dirty water
and get it out before you can get to the
good stuff. So you shouldn't be afraid of writing a
bad song. Just write the song, even if it's a
(07:54):
bad one, and know that it's getting you one step
closer to a really good song. So I think I
had to get I have to remind myself that it's
pressure that I'm putting on myself and it's coming from
fear not wanting to write. I don't think there's any
such thing as writer's block. I think it's a fear.
Like you can write a song about donuts in like
two minutes and like, why not, there you go, You
(08:15):
wrote a song. So I think just understanding that it's
fear and pressure that's not letting you get past it.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Have you written a song maybe on your own personal
time and a notes app on your phone where you're like, Okay,
this is just a little too personal.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I'm not ready for that yet.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yes, but I am releasing one oh on this EP. Yeah,
on this two Shades Wander EP. It's called All Bad
and it makes me absolutely weep. We did a playback yesterday.
I wept twice, not once, twice, because it's very personal
and it's about things that make me want to cry,
(08:55):
like feeling worthless, growing up, feeling worthless, being raised to
believe I'm worthless and kind of having to reparent myself
as an adult. So and it comes from a low
self estcene place. So it makes me upset. But I
think those songs are important. I asked the sound engineer guy,
(09:15):
I'm like, which one was your favorite, Edgar, and he said,
all that was my favorite. So I'm really excited to
be releasing it. But it's scary. It's scary. Those ones
are scary for.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
A song like that, For example, do you go into
it saying, Okay, I've been feeling down and now I'm
going to channel back to my childhood and try to
find that inner for lack of a better term, sadness
into that song?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
How did that songwriting?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
That song's writing process kind of break down if you remember.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I remember I was trying about trying to write about
anything other than me, like anything that's not real. Sometimes
I'll come in with titles and I'll say, we should
write a song about this. It's never happened to me before,
but let's write that. And the person that I was
writing with, I was telling him all these stories about
my life and he's like, you have so many stories
sad moments in your life. Let's just what if it
(10:04):
started like this and he really got that ball rolling
for me and allowed me the space to know that
it's okay to just be honest about the things that
you've gone through. So I think writing with the right person,
I think really helps opening those gates, because it is
scary to be so honest sometimes.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
So from a mental health standpoint, right when you get
off stage, you're feeling your highest. Yeah, there's no better
feeling than that, but you obviously got to come down.
And I'm always fascinated to ask people what do they
do to come down in a healthy matter, because anytime
you're coming down, it feels like just really bad depression
and you feel like basically the dirt worst.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
But you're just coming back to like an even field. Yeah,
I know, So is that you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Is there anything that you do to kind of get
you back to baseline safely?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Well, I tour my guitars and my drummer to to
my best friends, so I think that really helps. We
always sleep in one bed together, except my drummer snores,
so sometimes we make her wear a nose patch and
put her on the other side of the room.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I will highly recommend a mouthguard. Okay, that they could.
I have a custom mouthguard.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Okay, yeah, literally, I do not snore or like choke
in my sleep anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
We can talk about that offair. Nobody cares.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
But because she's still snoring, so like she needs help.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
So maybe that could be a Christmas.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Gift, yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
But back to your team.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Well, it helps to decompress with with them. We all
cuddle in one bed and usually watch a horror movie.
That's my favorite way to decompress. I just love being
like outside of my body, and it's it's fun to
do that in like a healthy way instead of smoking things,
you know what I mean. But I'm really grateful to
tour with like my best friends.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So am I holding this close enough?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Can y'all hear me? Okay? Good? I've always wanted to.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Hold one of these mics with like this triangle thing
on it. It's a nice like I feel secure.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I prefer the block the square more.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Holding it like a wine boss.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
It's just, you know what, I caught a lot of
shit one time holding it like this, and just to
annoy people, I will now know they do it at
random time. So like in another two minutes, I'll go
back to this, okay, just to annoy people.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I like it. It's like you're swirling a little glass exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
So you mentioned going on tour. You were on tour
last year.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Was there ever a city that like shocked you by
the amount of love that you got?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Montreal, Montreal. They are just down to party and they're
so supportive. And I think it helps that is Montreal,
and in Quebec, it's kind of a French speaking place,
so it helps if you learn a bit of their
their language and trying to get through that barrier. But
one time I was in a very French speaking place
(12:53):
opening for this artist, Charlotte Carden, who's my I love
her so much, and I spoke little bit of French
and I could just see them like melt with joy.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
And everything changed after that moment. They were like, but I.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Love Quebec, and I think people in Montreal are so
down to support you and really like there for it,
even if they don't know your songs.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
So we were talking back there a little bit about
performing at the Calgary Stampede. Yes, Now, how would you
break down the Calgary Stampede two Americans that know nothing
about the Calgary Stampede.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Ooh okay, I would say it's like a.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Carnival slash rodeo, slash music festival slash beer fest. You
have anything that you would need in those areas, like
artists come in and perform, and then there's also chuck
wagon races and like bull what's it called with the
bull wrangling, which I don't super love, but some people
(13:59):
are really into it. Alberta so like different strokes for
different folks, except save the animals. There's also like fried everything,
and a lot of drinking and partying and a lot
of wearing like cowboy boots, and it's just so fun.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's one of the few things that I genuinely want
to do in Life's go to the Calgary Stampede.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, it's so much fun. So I've heard you would
love it.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Too much fun depending on who you ask. From what
I've seen on social media and heard through the years.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It's like dirty fun. It's like there, it's gross.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I would go the first weekend when everybody's still like
and they're like pristine and fresh. By the second weekend
it's it's zombies vomiting in corners of tents, That's what
I would say, is that's.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
What we call Manhattan on a Saturday.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah. Amen.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So so before we wrap things up, we aren't a
Duncan music lounge as we see. I always like to
ask this question, if you sat at at Duncan yeah
s sixty minutes with one artist dead or alive, who
are you sitting.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
With Freddie Mercury?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Well you said that quickly.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yeah, Well, it's top of mind for me because I
just made my mom watch Bohemian Rhapstea the other day,
and I just love him. I love his story, I
love his confidence, I love his commitment to his artistry
and his not compromising attitude. He was very much like
(15:29):
this stuff rocks, you can take it or leave it.
And I just love him. And I'm a really big, big,
big fan, and I just think you would kiki and
have a good time.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So before we wrap things up, what can we expect
from you for the rest of twenty twenty four?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
We know the album is the EP's coming out.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Next month and then into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Ooh, well, am I allowed to say this? I'm gonna
say it.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Well, I'm going on a touch of a pop up
series tour in November, I'm coming to New York and
Chicago and San Francisco and you.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Can find out about that on my Instagram or on
my website.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
And I'm hoping to do a Canadian moment tour, maybe
a more proper tour at the top of next year.
But I'm really excited. I've never done a headline moment before.
I'm petrified. I'm excited, and it's gonna be amazing, I hope,
and I know it's going to be amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
See that's that confidence. It's gonna be a sleigh if
you don't come your loss.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And you know what, that's the confidence we should all
possess on a daily basis.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
One more time, let's show some love. Devin Cole, thank you,
darling guys
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Thanks so much.
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