November 14, 2025 • 19 mins
BEST OF - Megyn Kelly’s comments suggesting Jeffrey Epstein may “not be a pedophile” spark backlash. National Correspondent Rory O’Neill explains how the Trump/Epstein issue is splitting the GOP and why a growing number of American women say they want to leave the U.S. Fox News Radio Congressional Correspondent Ryan Schmelz breaks down what Congress is tackling now that the government has reopened, and White House Correspondent Jon Decker shares a look inside his White House 30th anniversary celebration while reporting that President Trump is weighing military options for Venezuela.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So we're not spending a ton of time on the
Epstein stuff this morning, because honestly, there's not much need
to talk about ton to the latest document dump. But
I did want to touch on a few things. First
of all, why the story is important. If you haven't
been following the Epstein saga over the years, he might
not get it. So for years, the big mystery was
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who else could be implicated in Epstein's sex trafficking ring.
You have a pedophile hanging around former presidents and royalty
and big names and politics and finance. The focus then
was more on Democrats, people like Bill Clinton as opposed
to Donald Trump, and on the right, especially the online right.
(00:41):
Trump was supposed to be the one who would expose
it all and putting people like Cash Patel and Pam
Bondi in top Justice Department positions. That was supposed to
ensure that that happened. But instead we heard big time
promises from Patel and Bondy on to see them back
off and essentially offer up a whole lot of nothing.
(01:04):
And now we have Trump, who claims he did nothing wrong,
doing everything he can do to pressure a few key
House Republicans into keeping the Epstein files secret. That's the
opposite of what voters wanted him to do. Plus, his
Department of Justice gave Epstein's right hand woman, Gallaine Maxwell,
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a nice comfortable setup in a prison that's honestly more
like a country club. She apparently receives customized meals that
are delivered to her in her cell, and she's allowed
to go to recreation areas after hours. Her visitors they've
been given access to a special cordoned off area where
they can enjoy snacks and refreshments. And she gets an
(01:49):
unlimited amount.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Of toilet paper. Inmates only get two rolls of toilet
paper a week, but not her.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Now. I don't know if it's single apply or two apply,
but still it's as much toilet paper as she wants.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
She said, she like Alice in Wonderland now in that.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Place, Yeah, she's living her best life. One Epstein victim
was on CNN last night. Here's her exchange with Caitlin
Collins about Maxwell's cushy new accommodations.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Told me that you had actually reached out to the
Justice Format to the Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche with
your concerns about their treatment of Maxwell and her being
moved to a lighter security prison. Did you ever hear
back from the Deputy Attorney General?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And I think that's very telling. There's been no communication
at all. What are we doing here? I mean, what
is going on?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And Maxwell flat out lied to the deputy Attorney General
when she said she never saw Trump at Epstein's home.
Now we have emails showing that's not the case. Blanche
said yesterday he hadn't seen the emails. That law enforcement
didn't have those materials from Epstein's estate. Why not did
the Department of Justice even bother to ask the estate
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for that stuff or force them to hand it out
over like Congress did some serious questions. The only explanation
I can think of is that the Trump administration's covering
for powerful pedophiles.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I mean, nothing else makes sense at this point.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And I've said time and time again, I don't think
Trump is complicit in any sex trafficking type crimes, but
he definitely knew more than he let on, and he
was much closer to Epstein than we thought. I mean,
his name doesn't appear in these documents a few times.
It appears in them thousands of times. So it does
make you wonder what else haven't we seen that the
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Department of Justice is hanging on to. Now, let me
get to Megan Kelly. She'd been a lawyer for thirty years.
You can say a lot of things about her, but
she's no idiot yet. Listen to what she said on
her podcast.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
As for Epstein, I've said this before, but this is
a reminder. I do know somebody very very close to
this case who was in a position to know virtually everything.
And this person has told me from the start that
Jeffrey Epstein, in this person's view, was not a pedophile,
but that he was into the bare legal type, like
he liked fifteen year olders, that he wasn't into like
(04:05):
eight year olds. We have yet to see anybody come
forward and say I was under ten, I was under
fourteen when I first came within his purview. You can
say that's a distinction without a difference.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
No, it's not. I think there is a difference.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
There's a difference between a fifteen year old and a
five year old.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
That is a hot take on the Epstein story that
I'll be honest, I didn't see coming so because he
wasn't trafficking toddlers, that makes it all like what a
little less bad?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, I don't know what her point is there.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
If if we had learned Bill Clinton had sex with
a fifteen year old, would she have the same take.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I feel like everyone would be calling him a pedophile.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah, that's one of those hot takes.
That again, it's pretty jaw dropping, like, yeah, what are
we doing.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
A lot of people like her fans, big diehard making
Kelly fans, are like, what is she saying?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, I mean, you don't need to downplay the Epstein stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It's not at all really bad. Yeah, that's where we're at.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Let's bring in our national correspondent, Rory O'Neil, who supports
brought to you by Mark Spain real Estate. So, Rory,
the political fallout tied to the latest Epstein document dump continues,
and we're learning a little bit more about what the
White House was looking for from those four key Republicans
who signed that discharge petition which would push the Department
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of Justice to.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Release the files. What have you been following over the
past twenty four hours?
Speaker 8 (05:35):
Well, right, I mean that remarkable meeting in the Situation
Room of all places, with the head of the FBI
and DOJ and the congresswoman apparently trying to flipp her.
And you've got the White House Press Secretary using very
careful language to describe what that meeting was all about,
trying to inform a member of Congress and answer their questions.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
So that's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 8 (05:58):
But me, because of what we do in particular, I'm
more struck by just how different Donald Trump is when
asked questions about this case. You know, yesterday he had
an event where he took no questions. Wednesday night he
had that signing to reopen the government, took no questions.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
When does Donald Trump not take questions?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
That's true, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Now, eventually he'll start mixing it up with the media again,
so you're not gonna be able to avoid those questions.
But yeah, there's just a lot that doesn't make sense
about all of this. There's just a lot that doesn't
add up. I mean, and I was running through all
of this earlier in the show. You know, if you
go back to the origins of this Epstein scandal and
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all that, you know, for a lot of people, Trump
was supposed to be the one who was going to
get into office and expose these politicians and powerful people
who are connected to Epstein and this sex trafficking ring,
and instead it's kind of been the opposite, like he's
preventing more information from getting out.
Speaker 8 (07:00):
Well, you got the he had the big display of
binders with the Attorney General, and that was, you know,
point already released information and then you could put Dan
Bongino's picture on a cart and of milk these days
has just been nowhere. And he was of course the
leading voice on getting this stuff released. And you know,
Cash Fortel, now the FBI director was not too far behind.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I'm calling for all this release.
Speaker 8 (07:22):
The man who said he'd closed the FBI office on
the first day he was there. So yeah, it's it's
just been a remarkable turn. And I think there's not
only divide among the magasupporters of the President, but disappointment
as well, just saying, oh, come on, I thought that
I thought we were trying to root out the deep state,
not dig deeper.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
Well, Trump is probably embarrassed and doesn't know how to
handle the fact that his name is in there so
many times. It's obvious that he knew there's nothing incriminating
in the sense that somebody's saying that he was with
young girls or that he did anything criminal, but it's
still got to be embarrassing for him. And then it
makes you wonder how many other names are in there,
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because just in these mail dumps that we saw, there's
so many, yeah, powerful people whose names are in there.
So it makes you wonder what else is in there.
And maybe they just feel like they can't let all
this out because of how many people it's going to expose.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, and we were talking earlier too, Rory about you know,
Glene Maxwell, she's got this cushy deal at this prison,
and it sounds like she lied when she talked to
the deputy Attorney general. She told him that Trump was
never at Epstein's home, and then you've got emails saying otherwise,
yea Epstein.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Saying that Trump was there with girls in bikinis.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, right, So you know that leads to questions.
Speaker 8 (08:31):
Yeah, that's the other big part of it is that
suddenly these emails are printed out. There's documentation about some
of the fabricated tales, even hearing from everyone in this
group for years now, so you're like, wait a minute,
the paper records sort of contradict.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
All the things.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
We still don't really know why there was the falling
out with Epstein and Trump. No, even Donald Trump has
given us three different versions of that at least.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, and the fact that he did clearly know that
and he was not happy about the fact that Glenn
Maxwell and Epstein were poaching young women from mar A Lago. Again,
that just tells me that he knew more about what
Epstein was up to. What do you make I want
to play you Megan Kelly's comments, because this is something that,
like I said earlier, I did not see this kind
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of hot take coming out of all of this.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
As for Epstein, I've said this before, but this is
a reminder. I do know somebody very very close to
this case who was in a position to know virtually everything.
And this person has told me from the start that
Jeffrey Epstein, in this person's view, was not a pedophile,
but that he was into the barely legal type, like
he liked fifteen year old girls, that he wasn't into
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like eight year olds.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
We have yet to see.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
Anybody come forward and say I was under ten, I
was under fourteen when I first came within his purview.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You can say that's a distinction without a difference. No,
it's not. I think there is a difference.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
There's a difference between a fifteen year old and a
five year old.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I mean I thought she was going to start saying,
you know, back in the day, you could marry a
twelve year old.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I don't know what point she's trying to make.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
I mean, obviously there's a physical difference between an eight
year old and a fifteen year old, but emotionally you
can't do that.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I don't know what she's trying to say.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Isn't that strange Rory?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I mean, especially considering her history.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, I don't understand.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
And the laws, yeah, a lawyers. It's interesting, yeah, yes, yeah,
and that's in there's word And look, this is not
did you read the New York Times thing on Matt Gates.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
Too, that's also Oh yeah, we talked about that earlier,
about the seventeen year old that he was involved with allegedly, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Who was just trying to save up enough money to
get braces.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I mean, my god, she was homeless.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, And this Ebstence story, this is not something that
people care about in the sense that it ties to
affordability or you know, issues that really impact your daily life.
But there is a lot of intrigue about it, and
the intrigue only grows. What it looks like you've got
powerful people continuing to cover it up, especially people who
are supposed to uncover all of this.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
That that's what is fascinating about this story.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I think, all right, and the one A on that
and everything that good, No, no, go ahead, Rory, It's
just it's.
Speaker 8 (11:17):
The change of position again, the Dan BoNT gino, like,
where where have you men?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
What happened?
Speaker 8 (11:21):
And maybe he is on his way out, who knows,
because we know he's been frustrated by the fact that
the administration is now trying to silence this stuff right.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
Well, And I wonder if they got in there and
they looked at it all and they went, oh, shoot,
we can't let all this out because of how often
Trump is mentioned and some other powerful people they feel
the need to protect.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, it's possible, all right, Rory. Let's get to your
other story real quick. We're jowned by our national correspondent,
Rory O'Neil. Young women want out of the US. Just
where exactly are they going? Because we haven't gotten that suggestion.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I might follow.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Them, but not that yet. How young are.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Hinting of legal age over the age of eight?
Speaker 8 (12:03):
Actually, actually no, it's it's forty four down to fifteen.
Speaker 9 (12:08):
Mm.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Okay, so is a fifteen year old going and leaving
the US?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Well, this is what they say.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
So forty percent of women fifteen to forty four say
they would move abroad permanently if they had the opportunity.
What's interesting is the gender divide gah. That number has
been on the rise. It started in the last year
of Barack Olabama, went up under Trump, up under Biden,
and back or up still under this Trump term.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
But there's a twenty one point gap.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Between young men nineteen percent who want to go and
forty percent of women who want to go. It's also
unique to America because Gallup does this poll around the world.
Only in the US did they find this gender gap
with so many more women looking to get out of
the country.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, I don't want to go, I don't you know.
It's not a political thing. Just if you've got a
mass exodus of attractive, young single women going somewhere, you know,
well I might want.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
To follow, necessarily say yeah, necessarily singles that to say
that's there were some married couples in that. But I
thought data would like the fact that Gallup considers women
under forty four young.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Well, yeah, that's that's great.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I'm older than that, so good try Rory.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, now I know I'm old.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Good try that's back tired. All right, Well we'll leave
it there, all right. National Correspondent Rory O'Neill with us
this morning.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Rory, have a great weekend.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Let's go straight to the hotline and bring in Fox
News Radio Congressional correspondent Ryan schmel So.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Ryan, the shutdown is over the house.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
They came in to DC, they reopened the government, and
then they laughed and stick around and do anything else.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
They went back home.
Speaker 9 (13:41):
Yeah. I mean, look, we've been we've been joking about
it for weeks. Every time they make an appearance, there's
some type of argument or some type of testing moment
that happens, and every look at maybe.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
It should do that come right true.
Speaker 9 (13:55):
But the funding is you saw it. I don't know
if this is funny or not, but like you kind
of saw with the Dems on on Wednesday, when you
saw some pretty uh you know, feisty moments on the floor,
like with Marie Glosen camp Perez where she had a
you know what seemed to be a little bit of
a testy argument with the whip Catherine Clark on the floors.
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Seen a couple of moments like that, and of course
the anger towards Chuck Schumer keeps building on the House
Democrats side. So it's, uh, it's kind of one of
those situations where things have gotten a little key today.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
As always, yeah, and Democrats, Uh, there's a little Democrat
on Democrat fighting going on.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
In particular had to do with with one member of
Congress who's who stepping aside and what his chief of
staff is going to take over for him?
Speaker 9 (14:40):
Yes, yeah, that's what the Glosen camp Perez. So the
Marie Glosen Camperez is in one of the toughest districts
for Democrats this upcoming election cycle President Trump Wanner seat
by a pretty substantial margin, and you know, she wanted
to put a resolution out there to condemn this uh
congressman from Illinois who is ultimately resigning and going to
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be retiring, but he waited all the way up until
the filing deadline to do that, leaving only his cheap
as staff to be the only candidate to run to
replace him. Say so, A lot of people have been
criticizing that decision, and ultimately she decided to speak about
this on the floor, and there were Democrats who were
not happy.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
That she did that.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Now, what's the plan for next week? We know Epstein
and all of that, it's going to be part of it.
But what else does the House in particular need to
work on.
Speaker 9 (15:35):
Yeah, essentially they're going to start the appropriations processor or
continued I should say. They've got three of the twelve
bills funded for this fiscal year that goes all the
way to the end of September. They're going to try
to get the other ones done between now and January thirtieth. So,
you know, everyone keeps saying we'll be right back into
this mess again in January. Well, you know, the idea
is to get as many of these bills done as
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possible so that if the government does shut down again,
it's not going to be as bad or as detrimental
as this one was.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
All Right, Fox News Radio congressional correspondent Ryan Schmell's You
can follow him on x at Ryan Schmell's Fox For
a whole lot more, Ryan appreciated and have a great weekend.
Speaker 9 (16:12):
Yeah, of course, thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
All right, let's go to the hotline now and bringing
our White House correspondent John Decker. So, John, I know
we have to talk about Venezuela in a second, but
first got to find out how was that event for
your thirty years covering the White House at the Swedish
Embassy last night?
Speaker 9 (16:27):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (16:27):
It was a blast.
Speaker 10 (16:28):
Thanks for asking about two hundred people at the Swedish Embassy.
It was such a fun night. I got home really late.
So if I sound like I got.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Home really late, I can't believe you're us. Yeah, we've
off for sure, we're going to be off this morning.
I'm a trooper, I got to tell you right.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
But it was terrific.
Speaker 10 (16:47):
It was so nice to celebrate that milestone with so
many friends and people that I think so highly of,
And it was so kind of the Swedish ambassador to
throw that event for.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Me, an event like that put on by the Swedish Embassy.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
You know in DC? Are you guys doing shots and
stuff like that? Like how crazy does it get?
Speaker 9 (17:09):
Are?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
We had a DJ, you know, pretty cool. I heart
got us a d.
Speaker 10 (17:16):
Work for a company like iHeart so. No, you know,
it's interesting. You know, you go to a you think
about it's kind of stuffy, you're out an embassy.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
But the DJ changes.
Speaker 10 (17:25):
The tone, you know, it changes the mood, and that
really makes a difference. I think that's one of the
reasons why everybody had such a great time.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
My only frame of reference for something like this is
what I've seen on that show The Diplomat on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I assume all the events are like that.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
They're exactly like that.
Speaker 10 (17:40):
Yeah, exactly, were trying to replicate what you see on
The Diplomat.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
That's too funny.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
We're joined by our White House courts, one together.
Speaker 9 (17:49):
Full bar, we had food.
Speaker 10 (17:50):
It was just such a great time, you know, And
I told you before a presentation of those presidential letters,
you know, from Bush and Obama and President Trump, that
was so nice as well.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
No, you certainly deserve it.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Now, let's get to the story that you're covering this morning,
President Trump playing military options for Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
What have we learned about that?
Speaker 10 (18:10):
Well, earlier this week I saw the President's National security
team heading into the West Wing at the White House.
They're clearly going into the situation room to discuss what
options they want to take in regards to Venezuela. The
President doesn't say it publicly, you know, but he actually
is very much on board of the idea of Nicholas
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Maduro no longer being in charge of Venezuela. But the
big question is how do you do it? And he's
sending an important message, you know. Earlier this week the
USS Gerald R. Ford, the Navy's largest aircraft carrier, moving
in to the region. That sends a pretty important message.
But the big question is do you put American boots
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on the ground to achieve your objective? And the President
has been presented options. That's likely one of those options,
but that certainly would change the complexion of the situation
in Venezuela. If the US had US boots on the
ground in that country.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, that's a completely different ballgame. White House correspondent John
Decker with us this morning. John, go get some rest.
I'm sure you need it.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
I will do that.
Speaker 10 (19:16):
Thanks Ran, having great weekend, Bye bye you as well.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
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So we're not spending a ton of time on the
Epstein stuff this morning, because honestly, there's not much need
to talk about ton to the latest document dump. But
I did want to touch on a few things. First
of all, why the story is important. If you haven't
been following the Epstein saga over the years, he might
not get it. So for years, the big mystery was
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who else could be implicated in Epstein's sex trafficking ring.
You have a pedophile hanging around former presidents and royalty
and big names and politics and finance. The focus then
was more on Democrats, people like Bill Clinton as opposed
to Donald Trump, and on the right, especially the online right.
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Trump was supposed to be the one who would expose
it all and putting people like Cash Patel and Pam
Bondi in top Justice Department positions. That was supposed to
ensure that that happened. But instead we heard big time
promises from Patel and Bondy on to see them back
off and essentially offer up a whole lot of nothing.
(01:04):
And now we have Trump, who claims he did nothing wrong,
doing everything he can do to pressure a few key
House Republicans into keeping the Epstein files secret. That's the
opposite of what voters wanted him to do. Plus, his
Department of Justice gave Epstein's right hand woman, Gallaine Maxwell,
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a nice comfortable setup in a prison that's honestly more
like a country club. She apparently receives customized meals that
are delivered to her in her cell, and she's allowed
to go to recreation areas after hours. Her visitors they've
been given access to a special cordoned off area where
they can enjoy snacks and refreshments. And she gets an
(01:49):
unlimited amount.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Of toilet paper. Inmates only get two rolls of toilet
paper a week, but not her.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Now. I don't know if it's single apply or two apply,
but still it's as much toilet paper as she wants.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
She said, she like Alice in Wonderland now in that.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Place, Yeah, she's living her best life. One Epstein victim
was on CNN last night. Here's her exchange with Caitlin
Collins about Maxwell's cushy new accommodations.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Told me that you had actually reached out to the
Justice Format to the Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche with
your concerns about their treatment of Maxwell and her being
moved to a lighter security prison. Did you ever hear
back from the Deputy Attorney General?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And I think that's very telling. There's been no communication
at all. What are we doing here? I mean, what
is going on?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And Maxwell flat out lied to the deputy Attorney General
when she said she never saw Trump at Epstein's home.
Now we have emails showing that's not the case. Blanche
said yesterday he hadn't seen the emails. That law enforcement
didn't have those materials from Epstein's estate. Why not did
the Department of Justice even bother to ask the estate
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for that stuff or force them to hand it out
over like Congress did some serious questions. The only explanation
I can think of is that the Trump administration's covering
for powerful pedophiles.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I mean, nothing else makes sense at this point.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And I've said time and time again, I don't think
Trump is complicit in any sex trafficking type crimes, but
he definitely knew more than he let on, and he
was much closer to Epstein than we thought. I mean,
his name doesn't appear in these documents a few times.
It appears in them thousands of times. So it does
make you wonder what else haven't we seen that the
(03:31):
Department of Justice is hanging on to. Now, let me
get to Megan Kelly. She'd been a lawyer for thirty years.
You can say a lot of things about her, but
she's no idiot yet. Listen to what she said on
her podcast.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
As for Epstein, I've said this before, but this is
a reminder. I do know somebody very very close to
this case who was in a position to know virtually everything.
And this person has told me from the start that
Jeffrey Epstein, in this person's view, was not a pedophile,
but that he was into the bare legal type, like
he liked fifteen year olders, that he wasn't into like
(04:05):
eight year olds. We have yet to see anybody come
forward and say I was under ten, I was under
fourteen when I first came within his purview. You can
say that's a distinction without a difference.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
No, it's not. I think there is a difference.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
There's a difference between a fifteen year old and a
five year old.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
That is a hot take on the Epstein story that
I'll be honest, I didn't see coming so because he
wasn't trafficking toddlers, that makes it all like what a
little less bad?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, I don't know what her point is there.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
If if we had learned Bill Clinton had sex with
a fifteen year old, would she have the same take.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I feel like everyone would be calling him a pedophile.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah, that's one of those hot takes.
That again, it's pretty jaw dropping, like, yeah, what are
we doing.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
A lot of people like her fans, big diehard making
Kelly fans, are like, what is she saying?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, I mean, you don't need to downplay the Epstein stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It's not at all really bad. Yeah, that's where we're at.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Let's bring in our national correspondent, Rory O'Neil, who supports
brought to you by Mark Spain real Estate. So, Rory,
the political fallout tied to the latest Epstein document dump continues,
and we're learning a little bit more about what the
White House was looking for from those four key Republicans
who signed that discharge petition which would push the Department
(05:29):
of Justice to.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Release the files. What have you been following over the
past twenty four hours?
Speaker 8 (05:35):
Well, right, I mean that remarkable meeting in the Situation
Room of all places, with the head of the FBI
and DOJ and the congresswoman apparently trying to flipp her.
And you've got the White House Press Secretary using very
careful language to describe what that meeting was all about,
trying to inform a member of Congress and answer their questions.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
So that's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 8 (05:58):
But me, because of what we do in particular, I'm
more struck by just how different Donald Trump is when
asked questions about this case. You know, yesterday he had
an event where he took no questions. Wednesday night he
had that signing to reopen the government, took no questions.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
When does Donald Trump not take questions?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
That's true, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Now, eventually he'll start mixing it up with the media again,
so you're not gonna be able to avoid those questions.
But yeah, there's just a lot that doesn't make sense
about all of this. There's just a lot that doesn't
add up. I mean, and I was running through all
of this earlier in the show. You know, if you
go back to the origins of this Epstein scandal and
(06:40):
all that, you know, for a lot of people, Trump
was supposed to be the one who was going to
get into office and expose these politicians and powerful people
who are connected to Epstein and this sex trafficking ring,
and instead it's kind of been the opposite, like he's
preventing more information from getting out.
Speaker 8 (07:00):
Well, you got the he had the big display of
binders with the Attorney General, and that was, you know,
point already released information and then you could put Dan
Bongino's picture on a cart and of milk these days
has just been nowhere. And he was of course the
leading voice on getting this stuff released. And you know,
Cash Fortel, now the FBI director was not too far behind.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I'm calling for all this release.
Speaker 8 (07:22):
The man who said he'd closed the FBI office on
the first day he was there. So yeah, it's it's
just been a remarkable turn. And I think there's not
only divide among the magasupporters of the President, but disappointment
as well, just saying, oh, come on, I thought that
I thought we were trying to root out the deep state,
not dig deeper.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
Well, Trump is probably embarrassed and doesn't know how to
handle the fact that his name is in there so
many times. It's obvious that he knew there's nothing incriminating
in the sense that somebody's saying that he was with
young girls or that he did anything criminal, but it's
still got to be embarrassing for him. And then it
makes you wonder how many other names are in there,
(07:59):
because just in these mail dumps that we saw, there's
so many, yeah, powerful people whose names are in there.
So it makes you wonder what else is in there.
And maybe they just feel like they can't let all
this out because of how many people it's going to expose.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, and we were talking earlier too, Rory about you know,
Glene Maxwell, she's got this cushy deal at this prison,
and it sounds like she lied when she talked to
the deputy Attorney general. She told him that Trump was
never at Epstein's home, and then you've got emails saying otherwise,
yea Epstein.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Saying that Trump was there with girls in bikinis.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, right, So you know that leads to questions.
Speaker 8 (08:31):
Yeah, that's the other big part of it is that
suddenly these emails are printed out. There's documentation about some
of the fabricated tales, even hearing from everyone in this
group for years now, so you're like, wait a minute,
the paper records sort of contradict.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
All the things.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
We still don't really know why there was the falling
out with Epstein and Trump. No, even Donald Trump has
given us three different versions of that at least.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, and the fact that he did clearly know that
and he was not happy about the fact that Glenn
Maxwell and Epstein were poaching young women from mar A Lago. Again,
that just tells me that he knew more about what
Epstein was up to. What do you make I want
to play you Megan Kelly's comments, because this is something that,
like I said earlier, I did not see this kind
(09:17):
of hot take coming out of all of this.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
As for Epstein, I've said this before, but this is
a reminder. I do know somebody very very close to
this case who was in a position to know virtually everything.
And this person has told me from the start that
Jeffrey Epstein, in this person's view, was not a pedophile,
but that he was into the barely legal type, like
he liked fifteen year old girls, that he wasn't into
(09:41):
like eight year olds.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
We have yet to see.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
Anybody come forward and say I was under ten, I
was under fourteen when I first came within his purview.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You can say that's a distinction without a difference. No,
it's not. I think there is a difference.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
There's a difference between a fifteen year old and a
five year old.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I mean I thought she was going to start saying,
you know, back in the day, you could marry a
twelve year old.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I don't know what point she's trying to make.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
I mean, obviously there's a physical difference between an eight
year old and a fifteen year old, but emotionally you
can't do that.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I don't know what she's trying to say.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Isn't that strange Rory?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I mean, especially considering her history.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, I don't understand.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
And the laws, yeah, a lawyers. It's interesting, yeah, yes, yeah,
and that's in there's word And look, this is not
did you read the New York Times thing on Matt Gates.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
Too, that's also Oh yeah, we talked about that earlier,
about the seventeen year old that he was involved with allegedly, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Who was just trying to save up enough money to
get braces.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I mean, my god, she was homeless.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, And this Ebstence story, this is not something that
people care about in the sense that it ties to
affordability or you know, issues that really impact your daily life.
But there is a lot of intrigue about it, and
the intrigue only grows. What it looks like you've got
powerful people continuing to cover it up, especially people who
are supposed to uncover all of this.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
That that's what is fascinating about this story.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I think, all right, and the one A on that
and everything that good, No, no, go ahead, Rory, It's
just it's.
Speaker 8 (11:17):
The change of position again, the Dan BoNT gino, like,
where where have you men?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
What happened?
Speaker 8 (11:21):
And maybe he is on his way out, who knows,
because we know he's been frustrated by the fact that
the administration is now trying to silence this stuff right.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
Well, And I wonder if they got in there and
they looked at it all and they went, oh, shoot,
we can't let all this out because of how often
Trump is mentioned and some other powerful people they feel
the need to protect.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, it's possible, all right, Rory. Let's get to your
other story real quick. We're jowned by our national correspondent,
Rory O'Neil. Young women want out of the US. Just
where exactly are they going? Because we haven't gotten that suggestion.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I might follow.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Them, but not that yet. How young are.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Hinting of legal age over the age of eight?
Speaker 8 (12:03):
Actually, actually no, it's it's forty four down to fifteen.
Speaker 9 (12:08):
Mm.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Okay, so is a fifteen year old going and leaving
the US?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
Well, this is what they say.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
So forty percent of women fifteen to forty four say
they would move abroad permanently if they had the opportunity.
What's interesting is the gender divide gah. That number has
been on the rise. It started in the last year
of Barack Olabama, went up under Trump, up under Biden,
and back or up still under this Trump term.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
But there's a twenty one point gap.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Between young men nineteen percent who want to go and
forty percent of women who want to go. It's also
unique to America because Gallup does this poll around the world.
Only in the US did they find this gender gap
with so many more women looking to get out of
the country.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, I don't want to go, I don't you know.
It's not a political thing. Just if you've got a
mass exodus of attractive, young single women going somewhere, you know,
well I might want.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
To follow, necessarily say yeah, necessarily singles that to say
that's there were some married couples in that. But I
thought data would like the fact that Gallup considers women
under forty four young.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Well, yeah, that's that's great.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I'm older than that, so good try Rory.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, now I know I'm old.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Good try that's back tired. All right, Well we'll leave
it there, all right. National Correspondent Rory O'Neill with us
this morning.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Rory, have a great weekend.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Let's go straight to the hotline and bring in Fox
News Radio Congressional correspondent Ryan schmel So.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Ryan, the shutdown is over the house.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
They came in to DC, they reopened the government, and
then they laughed and stick around and do anything else.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
They went back home.
Speaker 9 (13:41):
Yeah. I mean, look, we've been we've been joking about
it for weeks. Every time they make an appearance, there's
some type of argument or some type of testing moment
that happens, and every look at maybe.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
It should do that come right true.
Speaker 9 (13:55):
But the funding is you saw it. I don't know
if this is funny or not, but like you kind
of saw with the Dems on on Wednesday, when you
saw some pretty uh you know, feisty moments on the floor,
like with Marie Glosen camp Perez where she had a
you know what seemed to be a little bit of
a testy argument with the whip Catherine Clark on the floors.
(14:16):
Seen a couple of moments like that, and of course
the anger towards Chuck Schumer keeps building on the House
Democrats side. So it's, uh, it's kind of one of
those situations where things have gotten a little key today.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
As always, yeah, and Democrats, Uh, there's a little Democrat
on Democrat fighting going on.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
In particular had to do with with one member of
Congress who's who stepping aside and what his chief of
staff is going to take over for him?
Speaker 9 (14:40):
Yes, yeah, that's what the Glosen camp Perez. So the
Marie Glosen Camperez is in one of the toughest districts
for Democrats this upcoming election cycle President Trump Wanner seat
by a pretty substantial margin, and you know, she wanted
to put a resolution out there to condemn this uh
congressman from Illinois who is ultimately resigning and going to
(15:05):
be retiring, but he waited all the way up until
the filing deadline to do that, leaving only his cheap
as staff to be the only candidate to run to
replace him. Say so, A lot of people have been
criticizing that decision, and ultimately she decided to speak about
this on the floor, and there were Democrats who were
not happy.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
That she did that.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Now, what's the plan for next week? We know Epstein
and all of that, it's going to be part of it.
But what else does the House in particular need to
work on.
Speaker 9 (15:35):
Yeah, essentially they're going to start the appropriations processor or
continued I should say. They've got three of the twelve
bills funded for this fiscal year that goes all the
way to the end of September. They're going to try
to get the other ones done between now and January thirtieth. So,
you know, everyone keeps saying we'll be right back into
this mess again in January. Well, you know, the idea
is to get as many of these bills done as
(15:57):
possible so that if the government does shut down again,
it's not going to be as bad or as detrimental
as this one was.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
All Right, Fox News Radio congressional correspondent Ryan Schmell's You
can follow him on x at Ryan Schmell's Fox For
a whole lot more, Ryan appreciated and have a great weekend.
Speaker 9 (16:12):
Yeah, of course, thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
All right, let's go to the hotline now and bringing
our White House correspondent John Decker. So, John, I know
we have to talk about Venezuela in a second, but
first got to find out how was that event for
your thirty years covering the White House at the Swedish
Embassy last night?
Speaker 9 (16:27):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (16:27):
It was a blast.
Speaker 10 (16:28):
Thanks for asking about two hundred people at the Swedish Embassy.
It was such a fun night. I got home really late.
So if I sound like I got.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Home really late, I can't believe you're us. Yeah, we've
off for sure, we're going to be off this morning.
I'm a trooper, I got to tell you right.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
But it was terrific.
Speaker 10 (16:47):
It was so nice to celebrate that milestone with so
many friends and people that I think so highly of,
And it was so kind of the Swedish ambassador to
throw that event for.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Me, an event like that put on by the Swedish Embassy.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
You know in DC? Are you guys doing shots and
stuff like that? Like how crazy does it get?
Speaker 9 (17:09):
Are?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
We had a DJ, you know, pretty cool. I heart
got us a d.
Speaker 10 (17:16):
Work for a company like iHeart so. No, you know,
it's interesting. You know, you go to a you think
about it's kind of stuffy, you're out an embassy.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
But the DJ changes.
Speaker 10 (17:25):
The tone, you know, it changes the mood, and that
really makes a difference. I think that's one of the
reasons why everybody had such a great time.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
My only frame of reference for something like this is
what I've seen on that show The Diplomat on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I assume all the events are like that.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
They're exactly like that.
Speaker 10 (17:40):
Yeah, exactly, were trying to replicate what you see on
The Diplomat.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
That's too funny.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
We're joined by our White House courts, one together.
Speaker 9 (17:49):
Full bar, we had food.
Speaker 10 (17:50):
It was just such a great time, you know, And
I told you before a presentation of those presidential letters,
you know, from Bush and Obama and President Trump, that
was so nice as well.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
No, you certainly deserve it.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Now, let's get to the story that you're covering this morning,
President Trump playing military options for Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
What have we learned about that?
Speaker 10 (18:10):
Well, earlier this week I saw the President's National security
team heading into the West Wing at the White House.
They're clearly going into the situation room to discuss what
options they want to take in regards to Venezuela. The
President doesn't say it publicly, you know, but he actually
is very much on board of the idea of Nicholas
(18:31):
Maduro no longer being in charge of Venezuela. But the
big question is how do you do it? And he's
sending an important message, you know. Earlier this week the
USS Gerald R. Ford, the Navy's largest aircraft carrier, moving
in to the region. That sends a pretty important message.
But the big question is do you put American boots
(18:52):
on the ground to achieve your objective? And the President
has been presented options. That's likely one of those options,
but that certainly would change the complexion of the situation
in Venezuela. If the US had US boots on the
ground in that country.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, that's a completely different ballgame. White House correspondent John
Decker with us this morning. John, go get some rest.
I'm sure you need it.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
I will do that.
Speaker 10 (19:16):
Thanks Ran, having great weekend, Bye bye you as well.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
The Ryan Gorman Show on NewsRadio WFLA.
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