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Speaker 1 (00:00):
To night. Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA
director of talk show host Michael Brown.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Brownie, no, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job
the Weekend with Michael Brown. Well, welcome to the Weekend
with Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me, Appreciate
you tuning in. I'm happy to be on air because
our studios in Los Angeles are well, let's just say,
the fires are kind of surrounding the whole area in
that part of LA and I do want to talk
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about the fires. It's been a very interesting week for
me as the former under secretary and having worked with presidents.
With President Bush, this has been a very fascinating week
for me. So we're gonna walk through a bunch of
stuff about climate change. We're gonna walk through some things
about the fires. We're gonna walk through some things about FEMA.
We're gonna I'm gonna try to give you something else
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to think about in terms of President Trump and his
sentencing yesterday on Friday in the so called hush money trial,
and the probability he could win on appeal, but something
that could happen on appeal that most people are not
thinking about that I want people to think about, because
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this is a decision that you know when you're It's
kind of funny as you get older, how some things
become more important and less important in your life because
your whole perspective changes.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And so the whole situation with Trump.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And his conviction without any punishment in the hush money trial,
making him a convicted fellow, which is the only thing
that the Democrats and the law fair machine really wanted,
they've now accomplished. And everyone talks about how the appellate
process will probably overturn the conviction. Well, that's true and
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I believe that, but it comes with the risk and
we'll talk about that. So anyway, welcome to the Weekend
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So let's start with We'll start with the fires. This
is a difficult subject for me because it's I'm in
a position where I have to I mean, I don't
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have to.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I'm choosing to do this.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I'm choosing to talk about this at the very moment
that there are people right now. If you're listening to
me live at noon Eastern time on Saturday, there are
people right now in the environs of Los Angeles who
are making a decision about whether to evacuate or not.
Their homes have been utterly destroyed, They've lost everything. They
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may be staying in a hotel, motel, friends, they may
be staying in a car, they may be who knows
where they've gone. And we've had in excess of I'm
just going to give some general numbers, in excess of
ten thousand structures destroyed, which means anything from a house
to a garage, to a shed, to a car, to
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an outhouse, so ten thousand structures. But if you go
to the CalFire website, or you go to the National
Incident the National Fire Command Center websites, and you look
at some of these maps, and if you kind of
take your Google Earth or whatever you're doing and kind
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of spread out a little bit, in other words, kind
of get up in space and look down, you'll be
amazed at not necessarily how large this fire is, because
there are much larger fires that occur in the world
all the time that encompass, you know, a million acres.
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But what's different here is it's in an urban area.
And I was flabbergasted during the week to hear, well,
we've never seen anything like this before, and this is
this is unheard of, and this is unprecedented.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
No, it is not.
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And I and I really kind of get frustrated and
tired with the idea that one, what we're witnessing today
is something that's never happened before. Trust me, it has.
I've been there, done that. Two is that there is
a lot of blame to go around, not I mean
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for the fire itself and the response to the fire.
And the lack of infrastructure and the misplaced priorities. I mean,
there's a whole list here that I've made of things
that have to do with how lots of things have
been mismanaged, and that tends to get a lot of attention,
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while at the same time there are a lot of
things that are going on correctly in response to the fires.
You cannot no. I saw a photograph recently, it maybe
just been last night. Firefighters and again I'm not sure
what part of LA this was in, but firefighters filling
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up you know, the trash cans you roll out to
the curb, or the recycled cans bins, literally filling those
up with water, pulling on across the street, and then
two of them taking in a heave holding it onto hotspots. Now, one,
we need to be impressed by that, because that means
that those firefighters are doing absolutely everything that they can
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in order to minimize the effects of this fire or
these fires. At the same time that you applaud them,
you have to scream, why in the hell are they
having to do that? Where are the fire hydrants, where's
the water supply, where's the equipment, where's all of that?
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So there's a lot of perspective that I want to
give you today, and so we're going to go back.
And the sad part is, when I think about this,
it infuriates me even more because I want to go
back twenty two years, twenty two freaking years ago to
something that we started doing within the Department of Homeland
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Security and FEMA in order to prepare for catastrophic disasters.
Because FEMA and todate, FEMA has still failed to do
it some twenty two years later, and it infuriates me.
And the other thing that's happened over the past twenty
two years is that people, state, governments, local governments, citizens,
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every group of entities and organizations and governments and individuals
that you can think of, have suddenly started looking at
FEMA as this gigantic savior that's going to come in
and make everybody whole. That's never been the purpose. FEMA
can't do that, the country cannot afford to do that,
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and the country should not do that. Then we have
the whole insurance industry and the whole problem with the
insurance industry and what's going on. For example, we had
I believe it was all State that canceled some seventy
thousand policies back in I think it may have been
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in November. Well, that's a rational business decision that they
make when they look at the entire landscape and the
entire horizon of all the factors that go into if
I'm going to ensure against a risk, it's not just
is a particular homeowner doing what they need to mitigate
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the risk of a wildfire for their attacking their home,
but is that homeowner living in an area where government,
doing inherently governmental things, has provided the kind of infrastructure
that is needed so that everybody's doing what they need
to be doing so the risk is mitigated against. You
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can't eliminate the risk. You can only mitigate against the risk.
And that brings me to the final point, and that
is the risk itself. It becomes so risk averse in
this country that we somehow believe that we as human
beings can somehow control everything that Mother Nature does, and
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that is a formula for failure. We'll get started on that.
On the other side, it's the Weekend with Michael Brown.
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now at Michael Brown USA. I'll be right back. Welcome
back to the Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad to have
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you with me. I appreciate you tuning in. So let's
get started on the wildfires in California. So in two
thousand and oh, I think two or three, we had
what was called the Cedar Fire in San Diego and
it was again an urban wildland interface fire, much like
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we see in California. So this is not new. And
those fires consumed hundreds of thousands of acres, destroyed, you know,
tens of thousands of structures, you know, and again wealthy areas.
Ray Cropt, the founder of MacDonald's, his widow at the
time lived in one of the subdivisions outside San Diego,
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and that particular subdivision was affected by the fire. I
don't believe her home was, but homes just like we
hear about, you know, Hollywood celebrity homes being burned down.
So Mother nature is indiscriminate, and Mother Nature's been doing
what mother nature has been doing for eons and will
continue to do.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
The only thing that changes, truly, the only thing that
changes is us. And what we do is we build
in areas where and do not misunderstand me. If if
you own private property and you want to build on
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the Gulf of the Gulf of Mexico or as Trump
would call it, the Gulf of America, or you want
to build on the East Coast, or you want to
build on uh you know, next to a national force.
You want to build up in the mountains Hell's Bells.
I have a home in the mountains. I have no
objection to that whatsoever. But people need to understand the
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risks of where they live. And you may think that
you live in a risk free area. I guarante an
tee you that you do not. There is no place
in the country that you can live that is not
affected in one way or another by Mother Nature. Now,
maybe all you suffer from is currently is maybe you
live in Phoenix. Well, actually, you know in Phoenix you
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could suffer from wildfires. Also, there have been many wildfires
go through the Sonoran Desert. You you could live in
you think, uh, North Texas. You can live in North
Texas and still you could be affected by wildfires, and
you could have tornado as, you could have eye storms.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And then no matter where we live, we run the.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Risk of a man made disaster, and it doesn't necessarily
have to be terrorism. It could It could be something
as stupid as a drunk driver smashing his car into
a substation. And now power has gone out for tens
of thousands of people, and it's going to take the
public utility a certain amount of time to get that
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substation rebuilt so power can be restored. You have cell
towers everywhere. Everybody walks around the cell phone, and everybody
thinks that you know, we all we all the time.
Now I know that Apples put something ingenius into their iPhones,
which is a satellite function. But as I understand that
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satellite function, it only contacts first responders. So it's not
like if I take my and it happens in Colorado
all the time. People go hiking into the wilderness and
they they don't take any GPS with them. They have
no form of communication except their stupid phone. And then
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they get up into an area that's that you know,
twelve thy thirteen, maybe even fourteen thousand feet, depending on
where they're hiking in Colorado, and suddenly they don't have
sale service and they get trapped because the weather at
fourteen thousand feet, the weather changes almost minute by minute.
But do I think that people should be able to
hike at fourteen thousand feet? Yes, I do. It might
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well I've done fourteen thousand feet, but I've done thirteen thousand.
But you have to understand the risk of what you're doing.
And because we live in such a high tech, complex society,
we all believe that we're immune from any sort of
disaster affecting us, and particularly when we go for as
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California has done for and not just kept in particular
Los Angeles. When you go for a while without anything
happening and then something happens, you think to yourself, well,
how the hell did this happened? Where did this come from?
And then you start looking backwards at all of the
decisions made by public officials and private individuals and others,
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you suddenly see just this build up of It's almost
like a build up of debris, a build up of sediment,
and it just comes tumbling down because of one act. Now,
the fires themselves, No matter what we had done, even
if we had done all sorts of forest management practices properly,
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which California does not, if we had done things like
instead of just trying to save the stupid minto the
smelt and instead had done things like, oh, let's make
certain that if we have to empty a reservoir so
that we can do, you know, annualize maintenance on it,
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Let's make certain that we have some redundancy somewhere, which
California did not. Or if we mismanage our water supply
in California is already sucking dry the Colorado River. And
if you mismanage that and you suddenly go through a
drought where if if you've lived in California, if you
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think back eleven twelve minutes eleven or twelve started say
minutes ago eleven or twelve months ago, remember we had
and the vernacular drives me crazy. The bombs cyclone remember those? Well,
that's when places just get inundated with rainwater. Where'd that
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rain water go eleven twelve months ago? Oh? Into the Pacific?
Because the environmentalists and in particular a governor Newsom in
California doesn't want to build dams or build reservoirs. Instead,
he wants to destroy dams and divert money from reservoirs
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to something else. Now, why should you criticize a governor
for not doing that?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well? Shocker of shockers.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Guess what California off and on suffers from drought, as
does Colorado or Oklahoma, or Texas or Arizona or almost
any country, any state in the country. You have periods
of drought, you have periods of wet seasons, and it
comes and goes. And thinking that decisions that you make
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today should be only based on what's right in front
of you as opposed to everything that's gone on before
and everything that we can practically predict is going to
go on in the future, is a horrible way to
make decisions. Is a horrible way to is to is
a horrible way to govern. And this is why. And
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there's a book called Oh the How. There's something about
how complex societies die. And what we're beginning to witness,
I think is how a complex society dies. And it
dies because I have this professor, and this this old
professor has been deceased for a long time. His theory
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was much like in the book How complex Societies Die,
is it we become so big that we become unmanageable,
We become so centralized as we are right now say
at the federal government, that we forget that we need
to make decisions that ought to be made at the
local level, or decisions that are made at the federal level,
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how do they affect the local level. We don't do
that anymore. All that culminates in what we're seeing going
on in California. What's some of the stupidity going on
in California. That's next. So we came with Michael Brown.
Takes the word Michael, Michael to three three, one zero three.
I'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Tonight.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA director of.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Talk show host Michael Brown. Brownie, no, Brownie, You're doing
a heck of a job the Weekend with Michael Brown.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Hey, welcome back to the Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad
to have you with me. I appreciate you tuning in.
You If you'd like to find one of the three
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the program, go to this website, or, as Mayor Bass
of of LA would say, if you're seeking assistance, go
to URL. Oh my god, what I mean, she's as
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bad as Joe Biden. Hey have you not heard that?
Let me see if I can find it real quickly
and play it for you. It's freaking hilarious. She's giving
a press conference and rather than she's just reading the teleprompter,
or she's just reading her notes, and rather than give
the actual name like you know, disaster Relief dot org
or whatever it might be, I'm just making something up here.
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Rather than telling that to her constituents, she just reads
r L, which stands for Uniform Resource Resource Locator, which
is the name of a website. Like Michael says, go
here dot com. Michael says go here dot com. You
can find what you can find an interacting map under
the how to listen tab, which will show you all
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the affiliates around the country when they air the program,
program and re air the program. But if I just
said to you, hey, if you want to find the
affiliates or have to listen to the program, go to URL.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
You think I was nuts, right, well, path must be
nuts too. Right now.
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If you need help, emergency information, resources and shelter is available.
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All of this can be found at your l Los.
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Angeles together is how we will get through this through
the heroicism. Really, so just you know, if if you
want to test it out, just type into your whatever
browser you're using. Just type in you r l and
see what you got. See if it takes you to
a place to get assistance. Oh my gosh, you can't.
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You cannot make this stuff up about some of these people.
So I want you to imagine for a moment, if
you've never been to California, and if you but if
you have been, how can I want you to think
about it like this? So California is, in my opinion,
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not quite as beautiful as Colorado, but it is a
beautiful I think a lot of states are beautiful. Don't
get me wrong. I sincerely do every what you know,
beauties in the eye of the beholder. And I think
California is gorgeous. I think Colorado's gorgeous, But I think
the plains of Oklahoma are gorgeous. But if you imagine this,
you're going up the four h five or the five,
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or you're going up Pacific Coast Highway. And if you're
going if you're traveling north, you traveling to the North Country.
If you're traveling north, and you look to your left,
depending on where you are, you'll see the Pacific Ocean,
and it's gorgeous. And you're making this way up these
winding roads and you look to your right, and you
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might not be able to see much because of the
cliffs or the hills. But then you might get down
into a lower spot that's closer to the ocean and
you can have a better view, and you see the
rolling hills. They call them mountains, but for Colorado, and
I think they're kind of more like rolling hills. So
you see these hills and they're covered with chaparral sage
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like brush chapparral. You'll see these expansive savannahs of oak trees,
and depending on where you are, you might see dense
redwood forests. It's the landscape that has been shaped entirely
by nature, the entire state of California, as is it,
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for that matter, every state in the country. Every land
mass is shaped entirely by the force of nature. So
the Pacific as it, you know, as the tides move
in and out and the waves hit the beaches, it
has shaped the shape of the coastline. And the Santa
Ana winds have shaped the mountains, as have the rains
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and the drought and the snow and the ice, as
have the earthquakes, as has everything that Mother Nature does. Now,
I want you to imagine a California without any people whatsoever.
California has just been turned into a vast national park.
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I know many of you outside California thinking, oh God,
if we could only do that, But set that aside
for a moment. Imagine California without anybody in it. In fact,
along the border of Nevada and Oregon, you have turnstiles
much like you have at Rocky Mountain National Park in Colorado,
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and you cannot get into the state except unless you
have a ticket a pass, and it's a time pass.
And so imagine that they've closed down for you know,
the season or whatever, and California is just empty, and
all you have are those chaparral covered hills that I describe,
and the redwood forests and the oak savannahs. You've got
the beaches, You've got the cliffs, all of that. You
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know what. That would be governed, and that would be
effected by the same rhythms that affect California at this
very moment. Fire, drought, rain, and cycles, all dictated by
Mother Nature. Fires would just sweep through, maintaining the health
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of ecosystems. The fires would just come rampaging down the hill.
Oh that's kind of what's happening right now too, isn't it.
There would be extended droughts. They haven't any really serious
moisture for the past eleven or twelve months, and then
they'd have another. And the meteorologists we talk about the
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bomb cyclone put to put as much hyperbole as they
could into it, bomb cyclones hitting California. And we're just
getting in a day of rain that we got street flooding,
we got, you know, the we're worried about a dam
breaking because we haven't maintained a dam correctly. But without
any people, without any dams or reservoirs, all of that
rain would come just rushing down the mountains, just down
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to Panga Can Canyon where there's a fire right now,
and it would shake the landscape. All of that would
go on, whether there were people there or not. That's
what's been going on for millennia, and that's what we'll
go on for millennia going forward, assuming that God allows
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us Earth to continue to exist. But my point is California,
like every state, has a natural variability of the environment.
Now you've imagined that without any of those people and
all of those things going on, and now imagine that
California just you know, whether it's the gold rush or
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anything else in California now just gets inundated and now
just has you know, millions of people in it, an
economy that's one of the you know, tenth in the
world or whatever it is. It's just it's just a
packed place. It still has places that are very rural,
but then they have a huge urban sprawl like Los Angeles.
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The point being that whatever's been going on before is
going to go on now, except when those rains come
pouring down the mountains or the fire pop over the
mountain and go down into the canyons. What do they
run into. Oh, they run into the Costco, They run
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into the Walmart, they run into and they may be
running into Brentwood and running into Ojy's old home. They
run into James Wood's home up in the mountains. They
run into all these homes, and they run into just
the guy that works at the in and out Burger.
It hits everybody. Mother nature doesn't say to itself, Oh,
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this is a Democrat area. Let's attack it and let's
avoid the Republicans, or let's just go attack the poor
black you know or Hispanic neighborhoods, and let's leave the
wealthy white you know, Hollywood elites alone. Now, mother nature
doesn't give a rats ask about that. Mother Nature's going
to do what Mother Nature's going to do. So then
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ask yourself this question. So if that's if we have
the before with no people and all these things happened,
and now we have the today, and we've got tens
of millions of people in California and all these things
are continuing to happen, Well, what if this natural disaster
is actually the result of decades of unnatural mismanagement?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Think about that?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And I would say to the people that listen to
me in California right now, but it's true for every
freaking state in this country. What if the natural disaster
of today is the result of decades of unnatural mismanagement.
I want you to think about that question for a while.
But remember you're not going to stop the fire. You
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can't prevent the fire from happening any more than you
can prevent the rain from happening, or the drought from happening,
or the earthquake from happening, or the tsunami from happening.
You can't stop any of those things.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So what do you do?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
You mitigate? You learn how to mitigate against what we
call a disaster, but is only a disaster because it's
a natural thing happening affecting people. If there's a you know,
the old the old saw about you know, if a
tree falls in the forest and nobody's there, does anybody
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hear it? Well, if there's a flood and there's nobody around,
does anybody care? If there's an earthquake and it happens
in an isolated area and doesn't affect any structures or
people or anything else, or doesn't destroy a bridge or
a highway, does anybody really care? If a tornado goes
blasting through the wheat fields of western Oklahoma and never
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hurts anything except tears up a wheat field, does anybody
really care? No, we call them disasters because they affect us.
So any discussion about California's environmental challenges often center on
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the idea that somehow human activities, specifically here fossil fuel
fossil fuels, has fundamentally altered all of the processes that
have been going on forever, and we call that anthropogenic
or man made climate change.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Now, I believe undoubtedly that climate change exists. All you
have to do is look at all of the studies.
Quit looking at the models about what may or may
not happen in the future. Look at the history. We
had periods of drought and wildfires and tornadoes and earthquakes
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and warming periods and cooling periods and everything that you
could possibly imagine long before the industrialization.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Of of our economies.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So what we have to do is we ought to
examine what California in this case in particular, looked like
before all these people settled and compare those conditions to
today's environment. And that way we establish a baseline that's
rooted in history, pre industrial data, and we can better
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understand whether these fires and droughts are truly unprecedented or
simply part of California's natural environs. It's the Weekend with Michael.
I want you to think about that question.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Think about it.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
It's the weekend with Michael Brown. Text the word Mike
or Michael to this number three three, one zero three.
I'll be right back. Hey, welcome back to the begin
with Michael Brown. So I want to get into just
some data about how things are in or were in
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California before everybody showed up because this idea that somehow,
and let me just put it out here what I believe.
I think that trying to blame fires on climate.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Change is.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
A psychological avoidance tactic. If we can blame the fires
on something other than our horrible response to the fires then,
or the lack of mitigating and pre planning for these
fires which we knew were going to happen, is anybody shocked?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
The only thing that anybody should be shocked.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
About with these fires in California is that it happens
to happen in Los Angeles. And now we have an
urban wildland interface where there's a fire occurring. Well, guess what,
there's nothing new about that either. Have you ever heard
of something called the Marshall Fire? The Marshall Fire, Now,
if you're in Colorado, you know what I'm talking about.
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Is there anywhere else? You probably don't know what I'm
talking about because it's one of those things, like any
other natural disaster that hits the news, it goes through
the news cycle as long as it's happening, and then
it kind of disappears. The Marshall Fire is a fire
that hid an area in a suburb between Denver and Boulder, Colorado,
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and a fire starts and it moves into this suburban
area and it destroys I think more than a thousand homes, destroys,
a country club, destroys like you know, a costco and stuff.
It's just, Oh, it sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it.
I mean, it made national news and it was a
horrific fire spread spread so damn fast that really firefighters
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couldn't do much except, you know, try to keep it
from you know, spreading any further than they possibly could.
But most homes, you know, there's a point where you
cannot save a home. You cannot save a structure, and
all you can do is try to save maybe the
structure around it from the fire from spreading to the
structures around it. Firefighters have to triage, just like you know,
a doctor or an emergency room has to treeo. So
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do firefighters. Well here we are again. And so when
you start trying to say, well, this has never happened before,
one that's bull crap. And two if you say it's
never happened before or it's because of climate change, maybe
it's because you don't want us to look at Oh,
you bought an electric firetruck. Huh, well, I'll tell you
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that story a minute too. You buy an electric fire truck,
it can't carry water, it can't carry hoses, and it
can't carry all of the firefighters that need to go
on that particular engine. Oh so why'd you do that?
So you didn't build reservoirs, you built homeless encampments instead,
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Or you failed to mandate homeowners clear the underbrush on
their property, or you failed to do that in the
on the public lands. You allowed people without any proper
zoning to build where there's only one way in and
only one way out, and it's the same thing, so
that they're going to get trapped without considering that, Oh,
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perhaps we ought to have, you know, different ways of
ingress and egress from a particular subdivision. No. Blaming climate
change is simply a way to avoid the harsh reality
of what's going on. And I having gotten yet to
budget cuts, having gotten yet to DEI policies and how
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that might affect things I haven't gotten yet to just Oh,
where's the leadership, where's the political leadership? And then yes,
as somebody said on the text line, has anyone ever
thought about the fact that these fires might be man
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made if the fire's a man made because I've got
I've got videos off the wazoo of homeless encampments that
have been burned by the homeless people themselves. I have
one video that's on This is another reason why y'all
follow me on x at Michael Brown USA. I've got
I posted one video of some people trying to stop
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a crazy homeless person who is while THEA and Santa
Ana winds are howling down one of these you know,
giant diversion canals, trying to start some palettes of you know,
wood on fire while the wind blows. So don't always
assume that it's Mother nature or always assume that it's
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climate change that is the direct spark at the start
of the fire. And have you ever considered And I
had to consider this all the time. I got briefed
all the time by the FBI and the CIA anytime
there was a natural disaster about anything else going on.
Because when there is a natural disaster, particularly one as
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large as could as large as the fires in San
Diego or the fires in Montana, the fires in Colorado,
or hurricanes in Florida, that adversaries, whether those be nation states,
or individuals like the cartels or just nut jobs try
to take advantage of it. Yeah, there's a lot to
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deconstruct about these fires, and no, it's not too early
to start analyzing the cause, the effect, and the politics
that's involved even while it's going on. Because while this
is horrible for those that it's affecting in California, we
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need to pay attention to it to learn from it.