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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bread Wing suck, bred Wing suck, bread Wings suck.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Let's go Blues.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Blues?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Was that Doug I was just thinking, this is it Dougie.
I didn't know he listened to the show beautiful.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
I think it might have been him, but that's off
the radar. I was expecting a go Avs Go or
something like that. Ryan Schuling Filligan starting the eight o'clock
hour on the situation without Michael Brown with our next
guest who you could have heard or could have watched
on Tuesday night in his nine News Comrade Kyle Marshall
(00:37):
Zellinger debate. Oh wait, no, no, he debated Representative you're Derek
Cara Fae. I got a little confused there because it
was kind of like Trumpian or JD.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Van's. It was one against three, one in the same.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Here is part of his initial comments on addressing the
border crisis.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
I've been very clear with my three part plan. We
must secure the border right now. Immigration and custom says
that we have over thirteen thousand convicted murderers who are
free in our communities. We have over ninety nine individuals
on the terrorist watch lists who have been rooted into
our communities.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
We have to secure our border.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
We have to create a path for folks who legally
want to immigrate to the United States that doesn't trap
them for decades in bureaucracy. And then we have to
aggressively target those individuals who are illegally in our communities
committing crimes, and those are the folks that we have
to deport. I've never wavered from that, and I know
that this is something that we have to do because
we're currently the third most dangerous state in the country.
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That's a direct result of the policies that my opponent
has voted for. Open border policies, defund the police policies,
policies that make it illegal for police in Colorado to
even call Immigration and Customs, and I can fix it.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Composed informed, articulate on point part of the mighty nineteen
in the Colorado General Assembly. In the House Chamber, he
has Representative Gabe Evans and he is the candidate in
the eighth Congressional district, challenging incumbent Representative and Democrat Derek Caraveo.
He joins us now, Gabe, thank you for your time
as always, Oh.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Thank you for the opportunity to be on with you
again this morning.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Well, I got a lot of highlights, and I use
that term in quotes that I want you to reflect upon,
but just in general, what your impression was of the
debate after you got through it and as you look
back on it.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Really the biggest surprise to me was there were some
questions asked of my opponent, you know, do you still
stand by a lot of these terrible policies about the
open border, about lowing the penalty for drug dealers, about
giving taxpayer funded benefits to illegal immigrants, And she, like
I expected her to maybe run away from that stuff
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a little bit cheap in many ways, doubled down on
that record of failure and on that record of supporting
open borders and requiring taxpayer money to go to illegal immigrants, which,
as we all know, is a major reason why we
have so many folks that are specifically coming to Colorado
and costing US hundreds of millions of dollars, to say
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nothing of the fact that this is where many cartels
and transnational organizations have chosen to set up shop because
they know this law enforcement can't do anything to them
in this state.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Electgaveevans dot com that's where you can go to support
his campaign. He could really use your help here down
the stretch. Here we are, it's October tenth. We've got
twenty one days left in October plus five, that's twenty
six until election day.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
You can contribute to his campaign.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Electgaveevans dot Com one of the most important races nationally,
so much so that Speaker Mike Johnson was recently out
here helping with Evans and his campaign. I wanted to
get into the pugilism between yourself and who I call
Comrade Kyle Clark. He was pressing you on Donald Trump,
on the border, on xenophobia, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I'll start there, and here's the first clip.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
We want to make sure that we've got a clear
answer to whether or not you support Donald Trump's plan
to deport every person in this country illegally. He describes
that as twenty one million people or more. I heard
you say deport people committing crimes. Do you support Trump's
plan to deport each person? We need to empower our
law enforcement to be able to deport those folks that
are committing crimes in our community. Once we start to
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enforce the laws, then I think what you'll see happen
is those folks who have cut in the line, we'll
step back into the place and line that they should be,
that they should have been in all along. My grandfather
earned his citizenship to this country with two purple hearts
in World War Two as an immigrant from Mexico, and
so we have to make sure that we are respecting
the folks who did it the right way and not
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allow folks to cut in line.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Very good answer was not good enough for Comrade Kyle.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I'm not certain that I heard an answer to the
question about whether you support the Trump plan to deport
every person here illegally, but you did mention your a
Mexican born grandfather, who you often cite in his heroism
in World War II fighting the Nazis. Of course, Donald
Trump echoes the dehumanizing rhetoric of the fascists that your
grandfather fought on behalf of this country. Trump says that
immigrants are poisoning the blood of our our country. He
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says that they are animals, not people. He invokes genetics,
saying recently that immigrants who kill have bad genes, while
telling a largely white crowd in Minnesota that they have
good genes because of Racehorse theory, which involves selective breeding.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
When you hear.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Donald Trump, whose endorsement you accepted and celebrate, say those things,
what do you think, well.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
A distortion of what Trump has said in the past,
and he has focused on criminal illegal aliens, those that
have been released from Venezuelan prisons, insane asylums as they
either find them there mental hospitals, that is happening. Those
are factual characterizations. And it was Comrade Kyle's attempt to
link Evans to Trump.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And here was Gabe's answer.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
As a state legislator, I was able to get almost
sixty percent of my bills passed down at the state Capitol.
And that's with me being in a Republican super minority
nineteen Republicans to forty six Democrats. And the reason that
I was still able to get almost sixty percent of
my bills pass is because I can work with everyone
on these issues. And I do that because I focus
on policies, not personality. With respect, would you please answer
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the question when when Donald Trump used this dehumanizing rhetoric
about minorities and migrants specifically, what do you think of that?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
So, in the endorsement that Donald Trump gave me.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
He talked about securing the border, he talked about making
our community safe, he talked about.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Lowering the cost of living. Those are the things that
I'm focused on.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Of course, I condemn any sort of racist sort of speech,
and I would you really appreciate if my opponent could
join me in condemning some of that racist speech. Yesterday
was the anniversary of one of the most egregious attacks
on the Jewish community, and I didn't see anything on
my opponent's social media talking about that, and both of
you actually acknowledged it yesterday on social media. But just
to clarify, when you say that you condemn racist statements,
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are you talking about those statements, those dehumanizing statements by
Dald Trump. I've always condemned any sort of racist statements.
Are you willing to say that Donald trump statements are racist.
I've always condemned racist statement.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
The framing of this, in my view, Gabe, was ridiculous
by Kyle Clark. It was motivated, It was driven by
his own personal animus toward Donald Trump. I thought you
handled that well, especially that late pivot, even though Clark
went further to try to carry water for Caraveo.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
What did you make of that entire exchange.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, I mean, going into this debate, you know, the
big thing that was lingering in the back of my
mind was, these are the guys that have effectively made
a campaign ad for my opponent by fact checking incorrectly,
by the way, fact checking all of my campaign commercials.
There's many of my campaign commercials, and turning a blind
eye to a lot of the things that she said.
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By the way, the Wall Street Journal fact checked some
of her ads and the Democrat Party's ads on her
behalf and said that they were fiction, I believe was
the word. So that was kind of the baseline going
into this conversation. And yeah, that for that particular exchange,
I mean I mentioned to the social media. One of
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the things that I should have brought up that I didn't.
There was the fact that last November. So this is
the aftermath of October seventh, you know, right after it happened,
one of the most anti Semitic members of Congress literally
called for the destruction of the Jewish state, and there
was a broadly bipartisan effort to censor her. Twenty two
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Democrats cross party lines to censor a Democrat member of
Congress who called for the destruction of the Jewish state.
My opponent was not one of them. She stood shoulder
to shoulder with someone who called for the destruction of Israel.
And so that's the That's what I'm trying to draw
out in this conversation is I've always condemned political violence,
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I've always condemned racism, and my opponent is getting a
complete pass here because she hasn't been able to do
any of those things.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Gave Evans our guest.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
You can go to Electgabevans dot com to support his
campaign in the eighth Congressional district. These sound clips that
you're hearing are from Tuesday nights debate on nine News
that was moderated in quotes by Kyle Clark and Marshall's
Ellinger's Ellinger again, they just can't quit Trump and they're
trying to tie him to Gabe Evans, and I think
again this is a motivation along as.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Lice mister Evans, a yes or no question?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Here?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Will you appear alongside Donald Trump at his rally in
Aurora if you are invited. I found out about that
rally last night via the news media. I have as
much information as anyone else in this room.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
But if you were invited, would you say yes?
Speaker 5 (09:24):
I have as much information as anybody else in this room.
I have not been invited at this point. Let's say
you say yes. Would you correct any false statements in
front of Donald Trump that he would make about Colorado.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I always stand for the truth.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Again, this is why I've got sixty percent of my
bills pass being in a super minority. This is why
I've got two thirds of the mayor's in my district
that have thrown their support behind me.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
They make Trump this boogeyman, Gabe, and you may appear
at this event.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Is there an update on that for Friday?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, I still haven't received an invitation to that event.
And I'm focused on flipping this eighth congressional district. So
I suspect that anybody that goes to a Trump rally
is probably going to be voting for me as well
if they happen to live in the eighth congressional district.
You know, I would love to count on their support,
and so we know that, you know, I need to
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be able to focus on those independent voters that make
up forty some odd percent of the electorate, and so
it really is just a cost benefit analysis of this
race was decided by sixteen hundred votes out of almost
two hundred thousand two years ago, and so making sure
that we can get every last vote in the door
to be able to take this seat away from a
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really progressive, far left congresswoman who has voted with her
party ninety one percent of the time, she's voted against
small business seventy five percent of the time, she's voted
to defund the police, keep our borders open. And those
are the policies that I'm focused on correcting.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
And not only that. I don't have a problem with
a moderator pressing. Let's say you on Trump, do you
accept this endorsement? Do you reject the lives that he said?
Never mention all of the lies that the flip flopping
that Kamala Harris has done, And will you dear at
Caraveo call her out on that they're not holding her
to the same standard. There was a moment in this
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debate not long after the part that I just played
the game that you mentioned earlier, that I really want
to go over.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
In detail with you.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
It was striking to me for many of the same
reasons that you stated that Caraveo just completely sells out
her beliefs in order to get elected, and she says it.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Miss Karaveo, It would appear that your views on immigration
and border security have changed significantly in the last couple
of years. Three years ago you called for the defunding
of border patrol and ICE, and then this summer you
joined Republicans in strongly condemning Kamala Harris specifically and the
Biden administration more generally for failing to.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Secure the border.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
What caused you to so drastically change your views on
immigration in just a few years.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
I think the country has changed, and we've seen a
crisis that both parties have set up and not offered
solutions for. And so, as a member of Congress from
a district that is very evenly divided, it is my
responsibility to portray the opinions of my constituents. And I've
done that by being the eighth most bipartisan freshman member
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of Congress. I've done that by passing the first law
that a freshman member of this Congress passed last year.
And I've done that by introducing a bipartisan package around
immigration reform and many other issues, and so.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Really, that is the way.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
That I am approaching this issue and many other issues,
making sure that I am truly representing the people of
the eighth District.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Gay My simple question for you is has the country
changed in the twenty two months that she has served
in the House.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So she is saying whatever she thinks she needs to say,
and she effectively said it later on in the conversation.
She's saying whatever she thinks she needs to say to
hold onto power. And here's why I mentioned that resolution
from the last November condemning the anti Semitic member of
Congress that there's no policy attached to a condemnation resolution.
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It's literally just saying we disapprove of whatever the actions,
of the words of the behavior was, but there's no
policy attached to it. So last November she could not
say that calling for the destruction of the Jewish state
is wrong because it hadn't sunk in yet that she
was going to be in a tough reelection fight. And
then ten months later, when she realizes that people are
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actually concerned about the open border crisis and sanctuary state
crisis that she helped to create, then she will, as
even Kyle mentioned, she endorsed Kamala on a Monday and
then condemned her on a Thursday. She truly will say
she'll say or do whatever she thinks she needs to
say or do to hold on to power. And again
a little bit later in that exchange, she outright admitted
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it that she's still hold of these beliefs, but she'll
go one hundred and eighty degrees in a different direction
if she thinks that's what's politically expedient to do.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Electgabevans dot com is where you can go the Republican
nominee for the pivotal eighth congressional district. That race in
and of itself may very well determine the balance of
power in the House writ large. Now, what Gabe just
mentioned happens here. Caraveo is peppered by Kyle Clark on
her stance regarding immigration policies.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
This is breathtaking.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
In twenty twenty one, you called on the Biden admistration
to divest from immigration enforcement agencies like ICE and CBP.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Is that still your position?
Speaker 6 (14:38):
My constituents do not believe that, and so I would
vote against that.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Is it still your position? Do you still believe that
that's the right thing to do.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
My job is to represent the eighth Congressional District, and
that is what I'm doing every time that I vote.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
In twenty nineteen, you sponsored a bill prohibiting local law
enforcement from cooperating with federal immigration holds in Colorado. Do
you still believe that Colorado law enforcement should be barred
from working with immigration agents?
Speaker 6 (15:00):
It shouldn't be up to local law enforcement to do
what the federal government has failed to do.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
That sounds like a yes, you still hold that position.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
The local police officers should not be enforcing laws that
the federal government has not reformed.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
In twenty twenty one, you sponsored a bill that allowed
the state to award contracts to companies that knowingly employ
people who are not in this country legally.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Is that still your view?
Speaker 6 (15:23):
I will vote in keeping with what the constituents of
the eighth District wanted me to and I think that
is taking a balanced approach to people that immigrate here
legally and illegally.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That did not answer the question at all.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
In twenty twenty one, you sponsored a bill that allowed
the state to give contracts to companies that knowingly employ
people who do not have legal authorization to work.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Do you still believe that's the right thing to do.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
I have not had a bill presented to me since then.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
In twenty twenty one, you sponsored a bill that opened
up taxpayer paid public housing to people here illegally.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Is that still your position?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
I have around the issue of housing made sure that
I'm introducing a bill to have the federal goal pay
for migrant housing so that local taxpayers do not.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Well, local taxpayers pay federal taxes, so it's still their money.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Yeah, but a disproportionate amount. It should not come onto
the taxpayers only of Denver.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Now, Gabe, if I'm an undecided voter and the border
is my top issue, why would I vote for someone
like her to fake these positions on my behalf rather
than somebody like you that will fight for that position
on my behalf.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I've been fighting for these things since it's twenty years
old and joined the US Army. I've put my life
on the line three times US Army, Colorado Army, National Guard,
and the Arvada Police Department for a combined total of
twenty two years because I believe in protecting the United States.
I believe in preserving our territorial integrity. I spent almost
a year in a combat zone in the Middle East
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as part of the global war on Terror, and as
I had mentioned in the earlier e cliff that you played,
the fact that we have ninety nine folks on the
terror watch lists who have been released into our country
is not why I said goodbye to my five month
old when I went overseas. This isn't why I spent
ten years in the police department here in the Denver
metro area so that we could have thirteen thousand convicted
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murderers released into our country. And that's for an immigration
and Customs memo from a couple of weeks ago. I've
literally been putting my life on the line since I
was twenty years old to fight for these things. I've
never wavered from those I've continued that fight down at
the state Capitol, and I look forward to the opportunity
to continue advocating for these principles in Congress, and.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
We need to give him that opportunity.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
You can go to Electgabeevans dot com find out more
information about his campaign, contribute to his campaign. You're seeing
the TV ads running. That's very important that they stay
on the air locally here for those of you live
in the eighth Congressional District, I cannot endorse gave Evans
strongly enough Representative Gabe Evans always, thanks for your time,
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great job in this debate, and best to luck the
rest of the way.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Thanks so much for bringing me on the show. Gabevans
dot com to learn more.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
There it is Letgabevans dot com the pivotal eighth Congressional
District back with more after this on six point thirty
k ol.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Hey, morning, guys, shoe string we do.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
It's pretty good last couple of days.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
But hey, Gabe, I'm hopefully he's still listening to the show.
After the end of the interview, his first interview with
Mandy Connell horrible. Literally, I was like, this guy's too stiff,
doesn't know how to answer questions. He's gotten a lot better,
but these evading some questions.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
You gotta get over it.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
But after the interview with Kyle Clark the communist, I'm
gonna vote for Gabe either way at this point.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
I joined the National Guard at seventeen, worked on famine farms,
and then I use the GI Bill to become a
teacher passionate about it.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
A young teacher.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
My first year out, I got the opportunity in the
summer of eighty nine to travel to China thirty five
years ago. Be able to do that, I came back
home and then started a program to take young people there.
We would take basketball teams, we would take baseball teams,
we would take dancers, and we would go back and
forth to China.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
The issue for that was was to try and learn.
Speaker 9 (19:06):
Now, look, my community knows who I am.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
They saw where I was at. They look.
Speaker 9 (19:12):
I will be the first to tell you I have
poured my heart into my community. I've tried to do
the best I can, but I've not been perfect, and
I'm a knucklehead at times. But it's always been about
that those same people elected me to Congress, and what.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Does that say about them. Toward the end of that comment,
he's just explaining this. It's just about the fact that
I'm a knucklehead at times. And this is how he
tried to explain his way out of his original story
that he was in Tien Men's Square while the protests
were going on in China way back in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Well, we're going to.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Talk to a guest who knows a lot more about
that than Tim Walls does.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
As we heard in the debate there. He's got a
new book out.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You can find it on Amazon called Plan Red, China's
Project to Destroy America, and you can follow him on
x at Gordon G.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Chang. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Ryan.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
When you hear Tim.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Walls and his explanations about his travels to China, and
he's saying he's going back and forth and we know
what was going on at that time in China, and
perhaps you can better illuminate our audience. But what does
it tell you about Tim Walls as a political figure
in the United States, with his ties to China.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
We have to all be very concerned because that business
of taking high school students and having them exposed to
Communist Party propaganda had to have had the approval of
the Communist Party's United Front Work Department, which is the
part of the party that subverts foreign governments. Now, Tim
Walls can't say that he was a knucklehead because he
didn't know what was going on, because as governor of Minnesota,
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in other words, today, he still has continuous contact with
Front organizations of the party, which means that throughout this
century he has had contact with the most dangerous elements
on the face of the earth. He needs to explain
this to the American peace He may be able to
explain one or two facts away. I don't think he
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can explain away of the pattern, Gordon.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
We know that Iran basically has a hit out on
Donald Trump and members of his family. They certainly have
a horse in this race, and they would prefer that
Kamala Harris win. We saw Vladimir Putin's kind of tongue
in cheek endorsement of Kamala Harris, even commenting on her lap.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
But I think he knows the jig is up.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
If Trump were to win and reassume office, can you
give us a lowdown on how you feel China would
react to a Donald Trump return to the presidency.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
They'd be very concerned in Benjing. And it's not because
of his policies. It's because he has the one characteristic
that frightens them, and that's unpredictability. Chinese leaders can deal
with hostile American presidents, They've done that before. What they
can't deal with is someone that they cannot control and
they feel they can't control Trump. This goes back to
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April twenty seventeen when Trump and Sijm Ping at Mara
a Lago and over dinner, Trump stands up and says
that he's launched missiles at Syria, which is a Chinese friend.
And since that time c Jimpang has been pretty well behaved,
at least during Trump's era. When Biden came in, they
felt that they had their run of the lot, and
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the way things look, I think the Chinese were right
that they were able not only to predict what Biden
would do, but in many instances to govern him.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Gordon Chang, the author of the new book just released
on October First, Plan Read China's Project to Destroy America,
joining us here with his insights.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Gordon take us through the book. What motivated it and
why now?
Speaker 8 (22:40):
I wrote it now because I think that America's foreign
policy elites and policymakers and leaders fundamentally misunderstand China's assault
on our country. The Communist Party believes it is in
an existential fight with us, and it's not because of
anything we say or do Ryan, but it's because of
who we are and insecure regime in Beijing is worried
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about the inspirational impact of our values in form of
governance on the Chinese people. So we will never have
amicable relations with China, no matter how hard we try,
because as long as the Communist Party rules it, and
we've got to understand that or we could lose our country.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Gordon, I want to go.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Through a mental exercise about our dependence on China, which
has really magnified over the years. We used to take
great pride in the phrase made in the USA. Donald
Trump threatened and implemented tariffs against China, and a lot
of free market capitalists were uneasy about that, and a
lot of Democrats call it attacks on consumers, and yet
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it seemed to have the intended effect that Donald Trump
wanted it to have Ron DeSantis as a candidate Wan
to step further, and this is kind of where I
am talking about decoupling from China, maybe going to trade
war against them and utilizing other allies in the region
such as Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines, etc.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
To produce a lot of the electronics that maybe we
depend on China for.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Is there a way in your view to decouple from
China from an economic standpoint, that would not be severely
damaging to the American economy and consumers.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
I think that the damage to the American economy, well,
there will be some, will be pretty slight. So for instance,
you mentioned the Section three oh one terrorists from twenty eighteen,
and you had a lot of very smart people in
New York and Washington say, oh, you know, the Americans
are going to pay for this, this will add to inflation. Well,
in fact, it didn't, because studies have shown that somewhere
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between seventy five to eighty one percent of those tariffs
were paid for by China because they absorbed them in
various ways, And that I think just sort of sums
up how our elites have gotten this wrong. Now, we
have had misguided China policies for five decades, and especially
misguided over the last three decades. So I don't think
we're going to get out of this without some hurt.
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But nonetheless, we've got to do that. If we want
to have manufacturing in our country, which we obviously need,
we need to employ Americans and it is going to
cost us a little bit, but not too much. So
this is an issue of sovereignty. This is an issue
of independence, and it's an issue of getting away from
policies that have not been in our policies that have
not been in our favor, but have really supported Chinese
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workers over American ones.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Final question, Gordon, always appreciate your time. We've talked at
length in the past, you and I about TikTok It
being a Chinese spy app. They operate it much differently
in China than they do here in America. It's more
of an educational tool over there. It's kind of a
brain rotting tool here for our youth in the United States.
You also call out Mark Cuban defending the NBA's relationship
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with China. So as we look at it from just
a pop culture standpoint, we have this kind of assumed
relationship with China on so many fronts, on so many levels.
What is it going to take to wake up the
majority of Americans as to the danger that China poses.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
I don't want to say this, but I think the
answer is it's the same thing that woke us up
to Osama Bin Laden, and that is great tragedy. Remember
Osama been Laden killed six Americans on American soil in
nineteen ninety three at the bombing of the North Tower
of the World Trade Center. We just couldn't have cared less.
It took one day in two thousand and one where
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Osama been laden killed nine hundred and seventy seven Americans.
Then we finally said, oh, there's a terrorist out there
that hates us. Well, we should be listening to what
the Chinese say, but I'm afraid we're not. And I'm
afraid because we got mark Cubans all around who want
to do business in China, despite the atrocities that are
committed there, despite all of everything that China's been doing
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to us. And so I'm just afraid. And that's why
I wrote the book, because I would like to see
us do things to protect ourselves before more Americans die.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Find that book on Amazon and at major bookstores everywhere.
It's entitled Plan Red China's Project to Destroy America. And
you can follow him for the very latest commentary on
X at Gordon g Chang. Gordon, thank you as always
for your time. I always look forward to our conversations.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
Well, thank you so much, Ryan.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
And you can text your reaction to that conversation throughout
today's program at thirty three one zero three bookending this
segment with the talkback that we heard about Gabe Evans.
I thought it was very insightful from a voter and
a listener out there who has kind of witnessed Gabe
Evans and his arc and he's presented himself as a
congressional candidate, and I tend to agree with the assessment
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that Gabe is very young and he's an up and
comer on the Colorado Republican scene. I believe he's a winner.
He's a guy that has served our country overseas. He
has served our country here as a law enforcement officer,
and he's served our state in Colorado in the General
Assembly as part of the Mighty nineteen in the House.
But part of becoming a better candidate is what he's
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done to sharpen his presentation, whether it's going on with
Mandy Connell or yours truly, or Dan Kaplis or Ross
Kamenski over there in Koa as well. It's a way
to articulate your policy positions in a way that is
very understandable for the average voter, and to speak to
them directly, and to speak to them passionately, and to
speak to them from a place of authenticity, which I
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think he's always had. But to the talkback caller's point,
I do believe he has sharp and gotten better. And
this is the very example I would cite as to
why Kamala Harris has not. She has not strengthened those
muscles to really prepare herself for the kind of campaign
that she would need to run to win against Donald Trump.
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And further to that point, what you heard from you,
Derek Caraveo. This is the person that is shell shocked,
way out of her element, way out of her depth,
not ready for prime time, cannot articulate the things I
just said, and by comparison what you heard in this debate,
I invite you to watch it online if you didn't
witness it live. Nine News is where you can find it.
You will see a clear contrast between somebody that will
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stand on principle, can articulate that principle against somebody who's
just twisting in the wind and saying whatever she thinks.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
She needs to say in order to get elected.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
A time out, we're back to wrap up this eight
o'clock hour. Ryan schuling in for the vacationing Michael Brown.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
I'm in favor of deporting every single illegal alien.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
After all, crossing the country illegally is a crime.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Absolutely yes.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
And this is where Comrade Kyle really sunk in on
Gabe Evans in that debate, say, well, you don't want
to deport the ones that are committing crimes. They committed
a crime coming here. Tough luck, so sad, go back
to the back of the line and try again. And
I say this like Gabe Evans, as a first generation
American on my mom's side, to call me as xenophobe
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would be laughable. I'd love to see Kyle Clark's family tree.
My grandparents, my mom came here as immigrants the right way,
the legal way. And it's people like them that I
think about when illegal immigrants feel they can cut the line,
not play by the rules, not go through the proper process.
And my point has always been this, if they're not
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going to respect our laws on the very first act
they take in entering our country, what motivation would they
have to respect any of our other laws and live
as an American citizen, as a part of our society,
as a contributing member of our society. It is a compact,
it is a deal, It is a bargain. That you
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strike when you come here. You don't just get to
come here and take things from the taxpayers just funding
your existence here. No, you come here to contribute, to
add something of value to our American culture and society.
To become an American, and I'll say it, to speak English,
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to make that a priority, to view that as important,
that you want to speak the language of the land,
and you want to communicate with other Americans, not just
hole up in your own shell and cocoon yourself in
your own culture and live as a subset of an
American culture. You bring your customs, your recipes, your restaurants,
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your traditions, all of that. Bring it as a legal American,
but as an American who loves this country, who is
loyal to this country, who pledges allegiance to this country.
That is vital. That must be a requirement in coming here.
Comrade Kyle, there's a reason why I attached that name
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to him. It fits this from Patty from earlier, Thank you, Patty.
The story behind Anderson Cooper and his interaction with Michael
Brown this is a little shady and suspect on the
part of AC three point sixty. Apparently, Cooper tried to
get Michael to get him in his film crew in
the boat with a female recovery team during Katrina, Brownie
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explained that when they recovered a family in the boat,
they would likely have to leave Cooper and his team
behind to make room for the family recovered. Then Cooper
got his own boat and found their own family to
rescue and said, look, FEMA's not here, like FEMA can
be all places at all times. Patty, that's a great summation.
Thank you so much for that. You remember that now?
Dragging him telling that story? Yeah, it sounds about right. Yeah, okay,
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I just want to be sure we get the facts right.
What else do we have here? Alexis says, thanks dragging
you rock. Nice little affirmation in the morning for the
Red Bearded one. Woo Dragon, whill you play Black Magic Woman?
We never get to hear it when Michael's around. He
already did that done. I don't think he'll do it again,
but you never know with Draggon, he's unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Maybe tomorrow, probably not.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
I've already done it once today, but we'll see how
things slide up tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Ryan.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Is the attendance up to twenty k yet for the
Trump Aurora rally. Go big Red in Colorado, please, that's
a stretch. I would love to see it. It'd be a
major upset of Trump won Colorado's electoral votes. I do
think Gabe Evans can and will win the eighth congressional
district race.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I believe Jeff Hurd will win in the third. That rhymes.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
I do believe that Lauren Bobert will win in the fourth.
Let me see what else. As far as the attendance,
I don't know. It keeps going up, and you heard
my conversation with Congresswoman Bobert earlier. If you are going tomorrow,
it starts at one. But if you get there at one,
good luck and God bless you want to get there,
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I'd say nine am if not earlier. You know, people
camp out for these things. And the transportation part, I
think is the most difficult piece because I've heard talk
that the only way you're going to be able to
park at the venue there at Gaylord Rockies is if
you have rented a room. If that is the case,
then you're going at the park off site. Get transportation.
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They're going to have a shuttle, I believe, But you
want to check into those details. You could just ride
share it Uber Lyft. That would be my recommendation. Drop
in on Uber, don't have to worry about parking, don't
have to worry about a shuttle, and just uberlift your
way back. That'd be my personal recommendation as a former
Uber and Lyft driver Mike Ryan DRB. I still am
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always suspicious because of those big city late night shifts
and results. I really wish that enough resources to count
every vote in those big cities would be allocated so
they could have their account in by ten pm. Florida
gets it done, and it's a bigger state than virtually
any other except Texas California, and I do have good news.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I tried to reach out to Harme eat Dylan.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Of course, she is a legal expert and she will
be overseeing all of the goings on in Arizona about
the counting of ballots there in that very pivotal and
important swing state that got a little dicey in Maricopa
County in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Stick and stay
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Final hour straight ahead the situation without Michael Brown Ryan
Shuley filling in
Bread Wing suck, bred Wing suck, bread Wings suck.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Let's go Blues.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Blues?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Was that Doug I was just thinking, this is it Dougie.
I didn't know he listened to the show beautiful.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
I think it might have been him, but that's off
the radar. I was expecting a go Avs Go or
something like that. Ryan Schuling Filligan starting the eight o'clock
hour on the situation without Michael Brown with our next
guest who you could have heard or could have watched
on Tuesday night in his nine News Comrade Kyle Marshall
(00:37):
Zellinger debate. Oh wait, no, no, he debated Representative you're Derek
Cara Fae. I got a little confused there because it
was kind of like Trumpian or JD.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Van's. It was one against three, one in the same.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Here is part of his initial comments on addressing the
border crisis.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
I've been very clear with my three part plan. We
must secure the border right now. Immigration and custom says
that we have over thirteen thousand convicted murderers who are
free in our communities. We have over ninety nine individuals
on the terrorist watch lists who have been rooted into
our communities.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
We have to secure our border.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
We have to create a path for folks who legally
want to immigrate to the United States that doesn't trap
them for decades in bureaucracy. And then we have to
aggressively target those individuals who are illegally in our communities
committing crimes, and those are the folks that we have
to deport. I've never wavered from that, and I know
that this is something that we have to do because
we're currently the third most dangerous state in the country.
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That's a direct result of the policies that my opponent
has voted for. Open border policies, defund the police policies,
policies that make it illegal for police in Colorado to
even call Immigration and Customs, and I can fix it.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Composed informed, articulate on point part of the mighty nineteen
in the Colorado General Assembly. In the House Chamber, he
has Representative Gabe Evans and he is the candidate in
the eighth Congressional district, challenging incumbent Representative and Democrat Derek Caraveo.
He joins us now, Gabe, thank you for your time
as always, Oh.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Thank you for the opportunity to be on with you
again this morning.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Well, I got a lot of highlights, and I use
that term in quotes that I want you to reflect upon,
but just in general, what your impression was of the
debate after you got through it and as you look
back on it.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Really the biggest surprise to me was there were some
questions asked of my opponent, you know, do you still
stand by a lot of these terrible policies about the
open border, about lowing the penalty for drug dealers, about
giving taxpayer funded benefits to illegal immigrants, And she, like
I expected her to maybe run away from that stuff
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a little bit cheap in many ways, doubled down on
that record of failure and on that record of supporting
open borders and requiring taxpayer money to go to illegal immigrants, which,
as we all know, is a major reason why we
have so many folks that are specifically coming to Colorado
and costing US hundreds of millions of dollars, to say
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nothing of the fact that this is where many cartels
and transnational organizations have chosen to set up shop because
they know this law enforcement can't do anything to them
in this state.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Electgaveevans dot com that's where you can go to support
his campaign. He could really use your help here down
the stretch. Here we are, it's October tenth. We've got
twenty one days left in October plus five, that's twenty
six until election day.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
You can contribute to his campaign.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Electgaveevans dot Com one of the most important races nationally,
so much so that Speaker Mike Johnson was recently out
here helping with Evans and his campaign. I wanted to
get into the pugilism between yourself and who I call
Comrade Kyle Clark. He was pressing you on Donald Trump,
on the border, on xenophobia, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I'll start there, and here's the first clip.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
We want to make sure that we've got a clear
answer to whether or not you support Donald Trump's plan
to deport every person in this country illegally. He describes
that as twenty one million people or more. I heard
you say deport people committing crimes. Do you support Trump's
plan to deport each person? We need to empower our
law enforcement to be able to deport those folks that
are committing crimes in our community. Once we start to
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enforce the laws, then I think what you'll see happen
is those folks who have cut in the line, we'll
step back into the place and line that they should be,
that they should have been in all along. My grandfather
earned his citizenship to this country with two purple hearts
in World War Two as an immigrant from Mexico, and
so we have to make sure that we are respecting
the folks who did it the right way and not
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allow folks to cut in line.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Very good answer was not good enough for Comrade Kyle.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I'm not certain that I heard an answer to the
question about whether you support the Trump plan to deport
every person here illegally, but you did mention your a
Mexican born grandfather, who you often cite in his heroism
in World War II fighting the Nazis. Of course, Donald
Trump echoes the dehumanizing rhetoric of the fascists that your
grandfather fought on behalf of this country. Trump says that
immigrants are poisoning the blood of our our country. He
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says that they are animals, not people. He invokes genetics,
saying recently that immigrants who kill have bad genes, while
telling a largely white crowd in Minnesota that they have
good genes because of Racehorse theory, which involves selective breeding.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
When you hear.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Donald Trump, whose endorsement you accepted and celebrate, say those things,
what do you think, well.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
A distortion of what Trump has said in the past,
and he has focused on criminal illegal aliens, those that
have been released from Venezuelan prisons, insane asylums as they
either find them there mental hospitals, that is happening. Those
are factual characterizations. And it was Comrade Kyle's attempt to
link Evans to Trump.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And here was Gabe's answer.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
As a state legislator, I was able to get almost
sixty percent of my bills passed down at the state Capitol.
And that's with me being in a Republican super minority
nineteen Republicans to forty six Democrats. And the reason that
I was still able to get almost sixty percent of
my bills pass is because I can work with everyone
on these issues. And I do that because I focus
on policies, not personality. With respect, would you please answer
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the question when when Donald Trump used this dehumanizing rhetoric
about minorities and migrants specifically, what do you think of that?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
So, in the endorsement that Donald Trump gave me.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
He talked about securing the border, he talked about making
our community safe, he talked about.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Lowering the cost of living. Those are the things that
I'm focused on.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Of course, I condemn any sort of racist sort of speech,
and I would you really appreciate if my opponent could
join me in condemning some of that racist speech. Yesterday
was the anniversary of one of the most egregious attacks
on the Jewish community, and I didn't see anything on
my opponent's social media talking about that, and both of
you actually acknowledged it yesterday on social media. But just
to clarify, when you say that you condemn racist statements,
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are you talking about those statements, those dehumanizing statements by
Dald Trump. I've always condemned any sort of racist statements.
Are you willing to say that Donald trump statements are racist.
I've always condemned racist statement.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
The framing of this, in my view, Gabe, was ridiculous
by Kyle Clark. It was motivated, It was driven by
his own personal animus toward Donald Trump. I thought you
handled that well, especially that late pivot, even though Clark
went further to try to carry water for Caraveo.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
What did you make of that entire exchange.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, I mean, going into this debate, you know, the
big thing that was lingering in the back of my
mind was, these are the guys that have effectively made
a campaign ad for my opponent by fact checking incorrectly,
by the way, fact checking all of my campaign commercials.
There's many of my campaign commercials, and turning a blind
eye to a lot of the things that she said.
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By the way, the Wall Street Journal fact checked some
of her ads and the Democrat Party's ads on her
behalf and said that they were fiction, I believe was
the word. So that was kind of the baseline going
into this conversation. And yeah, that for that particular exchange,
I mean I mentioned to the social media. One of
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the things that I should have brought up that I didn't.
There was the fact that last November. So this is
the aftermath of October seventh, you know, right after it happened,
one of the most anti Semitic members of Congress literally
called for the destruction of the Jewish state, and there
was a broadly bipartisan effort to censor her. Twenty two
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Democrats cross party lines to censor a Democrat member of
Congress who called for the destruction of the Jewish state.
My opponent was not one of them. She stood shoulder
to shoulder with someone who called for the destruction of Israel.
And so that's the That's what I'm trying to draw
out in this conversation is I've always condemned political violence,
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I've always condemned racism, and my opponent is getting a
complete pass here because she hasn't been able to do
any of those things.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Gave Evans our guest.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
You can go to Electgabevans dot com to support his
campaign in the eighth Congressional district. These sound clips that
you're hearing are from Tuesday nights debate on nine News
that was moderated in quotes by Kyle Clark and Marshall's
Ellinger's Ellinger again, they just can't quit Trump and they're
trying to tie him to Gabe Evans, and I think
again this is a motivation along as.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Lice mister Evans, a yes or no question?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Here?
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Will you appear alongside Donald Trump at his rally in
Aurora if you are invited. I found out about that
rally last night via the news media. I have as
much information as anyone else in this room.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
But if you were invited, would you say yes?
Speaker 5 (09:24):
I have as much information as anybody else in this room.
I have not been invited at this point. Let's say
you say yes. Would you correct any false statements in
front of Donald Trump that he would make about Colorado.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I always stand for the truth.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Again, this is why I've got sixty percent of my
bills pass being in a super minority. This is why
I've got two thirds of the mayor's in my district
that have thrown their support behind me.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
They make Trump this boogeyman, Gabe, and you may appear
at this event.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Is there an update on that for Friday?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, I still haven't received an invitation to that event.
And I'm focused on flipping this eighth congressional district. So
I suspect that anybody that goes to a Trump rally
is probably going to be voting for me as well
if they happen to live in the eighth congressional district.
You know, I would love to count on their support,
and so we know that, you know, I need to
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be able to focus on those independent voters that make
up forty some odd percent of the electorate, and so
it really is just a cost benefit analysis of this
race was decided by sixteen hundred votes out of almost
two hundred thousand two years ago, and so making sure
that we can get every last vote in the door
to be able to take this seat away from a
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really progressive, far left congresswoman who has voted with her
party ninety one percent of the time, she's voted against
small business seventy five percent of the time, she's voted
to defund the police, keep our borders open. And those
are the policies that I'm focused on correcting.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
And not only that. I don't have a problem with
a moderator pressing. Let's say you on Trump, do you
accept this endorsement? Do you reject the lives that he said?
Never mention all of the lies that the flip flopping
that Kamala Harris has done, And will you dear at
Caraveo call her out on that they're not holding her
to the same standard. There was a moment in this
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debate not long after the part that I just played
the game that you mentioned earlier, that I really want
to go over.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
In detail with you.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
It was striking to me for many of the same
reasons that you stated that Caraveo just completely sells out
her beliefs in order to get elected, and she says it.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Miss Karaveo, It would appear that your views on immigration
and border security have changed significantly in the last couple
of years. Three years ago you called for the defunding
of border patrol and ICE, and then this summer you
joined Republicans in strongly condemning Kamala Harris specifically and the
Biden administration more generally for failing to.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Secure the border.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
What caused you to so drastically change your views on
immigration in just a few years.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
I think the country has changed, and we've seen a
crisis that both parties have set up and not offered
solutions for. And so, as a member of Congress from
a district that is very evenly divided, it is my
responsibility to portray the opinions of my constituents. And I've
done that by being the eighth most bipartisan freshman member
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of Congress. I've done that by passing the first law
that a freshman member of this Congress passed last year.
And I've done that by introducing a bipartisan package around
immigration reform and many other issues, and so.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Really, that is the way.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
That I am approaching this issue and many other issues,
making sure that I am truly representing the people of
the eighth District.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Gay My simple question for you is has the country
changed in the twenty two months that she has served
in the House.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So she is saying whatever she thinks she needs to say,
and she effectively said it later on in the conversation.
She's saying whatever she thinks she needs to say to
hold onto power. And here's why I mentioned that resolution
from the last November condemning the anti Semitic member of
Congress that there's no policy attached to a condemnation resolution.
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It's literally just saying we disapprove of whatever the actions,
of the words of the behavior was, but there's no
policy attached to it. So last November she could not
say that calling for the destruction of the Jewish state
is wrong because it hadn't sunk in yet that she
was going to be in a tough reelection fight. And
then ten months later, when she realizes that people are
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actually concerned about the open border crisis and sanctuary state
crisis that she helped to create, then she will, as
even Kyle mentioned, she endorsed Kamala on a Monday and
then condemned her on a Thursday. She truly will say
she'll say or do whatever she thinks she needs to
say or do to hold on to power. And again
a little bit later in that exchange, she outright admitted
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it that she's still hold of these beliefs, but she'll
go one hundred and eighty degrees in a different direction
if she thinks that's what's politically expedient to do.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Electgabevans dot com is where you can go the Republican
nominee for the pivotal eighth congressional district. That race in
and of itself may very well determine the balance of
power in the House writ large. Now, what Gabe just
mentioned happens here. Caraveo is peppered by Kyle Clark on
her stance regarding immigration policies.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
This is breathtaking.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
In twenty twenty one, you called on the Biden admistration
to divest from immigration enforcement agencies like ICE and CBP.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Is that still your position?
Speaker 6 (14:38):
My constituents do not believe that, and so I would
vote against that.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Is it still your position? Do you still believe that
that's the right thing to do.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
My job is to represent the eighth Congressional District, and
that is what I'm doing every time that I vote.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
In twenty nineteen, you sponsored a bill prohibiting local law
enforcement from cooperating with federal immigration holds in Colorado. Do
you still believe that Colorado law enforcement should be barred
from working with immigration agents?
Speaker 6 (15:00):
It shouldn't be up to local law enforcement to do
what the federal government has failed to do.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
That sounds like a yes, you still hold that position.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
The local police officers should not be enforcing laws that
the federal government has not reformed.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
In twenty twenty one, you sponsored a bill that allowed
the state to award contracts to companies that knowingly employ
people who are not in this country legally.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Is that still your view?
Speaker 6 (15:23):
I will vote in keeping with what the constituents of
the eighth District wanted me to and I think that
is taking a balanced approach to people that immigrate here
legally and illegally.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That did not answer the question at all.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
In twenty twenty one, you sponsored a bill that allowed
the state to give contracts to companies that knowingly employ
people who do not have legal authorization to work.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Do you still believe that's the right thing to do.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
I have not had a bill presented to me since then.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
In twenty twenty one, you sponsored a bill that opened
up taxpayer paid public housing to people here illegally.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Is that still your position?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
I have around the issue of housing made sure that
I'm introducing a bill to have the federal goal pay
for migrant housing so that local taxpayers do not.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Well, local taxpayers pay federal taxes, so it's still their money.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Yeah, but a disproportionate amount. It should not come onto
the taxpayers only of Denver.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Now, Gabe, if I'm an undecided voter and the border
is my top issue, why would I vote for someone
like her to fake these positions on my behalf rather
than somebody like you that will fight for that position
on my behalf.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I've been fighting for these things since it's twenty years
old and joined the US Army. I've put my life
on the line three times US Army, Colorado Army, National Guard,
and the Arvada Police Department for a combined total of
twenty two years because I believe in protecting the United States.
I believe in preserving our territorial integrity. I spent almost
a year in a combat zone in the Middle East
(16:52):
as part of the global war on Terror, and as
I had mentioned in the earlier e cliff that you played,
the fact that we have ninety nine folks on the
terror watch lists who have been released into our country
is not why I said goodbye to my five month
old when I went overseas. This isn't why I spent
ten years in the police department here in the Denver
metro area so that we could have thirteen thousand convicted
(17:13):
murderers released into our country. And that's for an immigration
and Customs memo from a couple of weeks ago. I've
literally been putting my life on the line since I
was twenty years old to fight for these things. I've
never wavered from those I've continued that fight down at
the state Capitol, and I look forward to the opportunity
to continue advocating for these principles in Congress, and.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
We need to give him that opportunity.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
You can go to Electgabeevans dot com find out more
information about his campaign, contribute to his campaign. You're seeing
the TV ads running. That's very important that they stay
on the air locally here for those of you live
in the eighth Congressional District, I cannot endorse gave Evans
strongly enough Representative Gabe Evans always, thanks for your time,
(17:54):
great job in this debate, and best to luck the
rest of the way.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Thanks so much for bringing me on the show. Gabevans
dot com to learn more.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
There it is Letgabevans dot com the pivotal eighth Congressional
District back with more after this on six point thirty
k ol.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Hey, morning, guys, shoe string we do.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
It's pretty good last couple of days.
Speaker 8 (18:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
But hey, Gabe, I'm hopefully he's still listening to the show.
After the end of the interview, his first interview with
Mandy Connell horrible. Literally, I was like, this guy's too stiff,
doesn't know how to answer questions. He's gotten a lot better,
but these evading some questions.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
You gotta get over it.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
But after the interview with Kyle Clark the communist, I'm
gonna vote for Gabe either way at this point.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
I joined the National Guard at seventeen, worked on famine farms,
and then I use the GI Bill to become a
teacher passionate about it.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
A young teacher.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
My first year out, I got the opportunity in the
summer of eighty nine to travel to China thirty five
years ago. Be able to do that, I came back
home and then started a program to take young people there.
We would take basketball teams, we would take baseball teams,
we would take dancers, and we would go back and
forth to China.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
The issue for that was was to try and learn.
Speaker 9 (19:06):
Now, look, my community knows who I am.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
They saw where I was at. They look.
Speaker 9 (19:12):
I will be the first to tell you I have
poured my heart into my community. I've tried to do
the best I can, but I've not been perfect, and
I'm a knucklehead at times. But it's always been about
that those same people elected me to Congress, and what.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Does that say about them. Toward the end of that comment,
he's just explaining this. It's just about the fact that
I'm a knucklehead at times. And this is how he
tried to explain his way out of his original story
that he was in Tien Men's Square while the protests
were going on in China way back in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Well, we're going to.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Talk to a guest who knows a lot more about
that than Tim Walls does.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
As we heard in the debate there. He's got a
new book out.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
You can find it on Amazon called Plan Red, China's
Project to Destroy America, and you can follow him on
x at Gordon G.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Chang. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Ryan.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
When you hear Tim.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Walls and his explanations about his travels to China, and
he's saying he's going back and forth and we know
what was going on at that time in China, and
perhaps you can better illuminate our audience. But what does
it tell you about Tim Walls as a political figure
in the United States, with his ties to China.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
We have to all be very concerned because that business
of taking high school students and having them exposed to
Communist Party propaganda had to have had the approval of
the Communist Party's United Front Work Department, which is the
part of the party that subverts foreign governments. Now, Tim
Walls can't say that he was a knucklehead because he
didn't know what was going on, because as governor of Minnesota,
(20:43):
in other words, today, he still has continuous contact with
Front organizations of the party, which means that throughout this
century he has had contact with the most dangerous elements
on the face of the earth. He needs to explain
this to the American peace He may be able to
explain one or two facts away. I don't think he
(21:04):
can explain away of the pattern, Gordon.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
We know that Iran basically has a hit out on
Donald Trump and members of his family. They certainly have
a horse in this race, and they would prefer that
Kamala Harris win. We saw Vladimir Putin's kind of tongue
in cheek endorsement of Kamala Harris, even commenting on her lap.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
But I think he knows the jig is up.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
If Trump were to win and reassume office, can you
give us a lowdown on how you feel China would
react to a Donald Trump return to the presidency.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
They'd be very concerned in Benjing. And it's not because
of his policies. It's because he has the one characteristic
that frightens them, and that's unpredictability. Chinese leaders can deal
with hostile American presidents, They've done that before. What they
can't deal with is someone that they cannot control and
they feel they can't control Trump. This goes back to
(21:56):
April twenty seventeen when Trump and Sijm Ping at Mara
a Lago and over dinner, Trump stands up and says
that he's launched missiles at Syria, which is a Chinese friend.
And since that time c Jimpang has been pretty well behaved,
at least during Trump's era. When Biden came in, they
felt that they had their run of the lot, and
(22:17):
the way things look, I think the Chinese were right
that they were able not only to predict what Biden
would do, but in many instances to govern him.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Gordon Chang, the author of the new book just released
on October First, Plan Read China's Project to Destroy America,
joining us here with his insights.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Gordon take us through the book. What motivated it and
why now?
Speaker 8 (22:40):
I wrote it now because I think that America's foreign
policy elites and policymakers and leaders fundamentally misunderstand China's assault
on our country. The Communist Party believes it is in
an existential fight with us, and it's not because of
anything we say or do Ryan, but it's because of
who we are and insecure regime in Beijing is worried
(23:02):
about the inspirational impact of our values in form of
governance on the Chinese people. So we will never have
amicable relations with China, no matter how hard we try,
because as long as the Communist Party rules it, and
we've got to understand that or we could lose our country.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Gordon, I want to go.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Through a mental exercise about our dependence on China, which
has really magnified over the years. We used to take
great pride in the phrase made in the USA. Donald
Trump threatened and implemented tariffs against China, and a lot
of free market capitalists were uneasy about that, and a
lot of Democrats call it attacks on consumers, and yet
(23:38):
it seemed to have the intended effect that Donald Trump
wanted it to have Ron DeSantis as a candidate Wan
to step further, and this is kind of where I
am talking about decoupling from China, maybe going to trade
war against them and utilizing other allies in the region
such as Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines, etc.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
To produce a lot of the electronics that maybe we
depend on China for.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Is there a way in your view to decouple from
China from an economic standpoint, that would not be severely
damaging to the American economy and consumers.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
I think that the damage to the American economy, well,
there will be some, will be pretty slight. So for instance,
you mentioned the Section three oh one terrorists from twenty eighteen,
and you had a lot of very smart people in
New York and Washington say, oh, you know, the Americans
are going to pay for this, this will add to inflation. Well,
in fact, it didn't, because studies have shown that somewhere
(24:32):
between seventy five to eighty one percent of those tariffs
were paid for by China because they absorbed them in
various ways, And that I think just sort of sums
up how our elites have gotten this wrong. Now, we
have had misguided China policies for five decades, and especially
misguided over the last three decades. So I don't think
we're going to get out of this without some hurt.
(24:55):
But nonetheless, we've got to do that. If we want
to have manufacturing in our country, which we obviously need,
we need to employ Americans and it is going to
cost us a little bit, but not too much. So
this is an issue of sovereignty. This is an issue
of independence, and it's an issue of getting away from
policies that have not been in our policies that have
not been in our favor, but have really supported Chinese
(25:17):
workers over American ones.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Final question, Gordon, always appreciate your time. We've talked at
length in the past, you and I about TikTok It
being a Chinese spy app. They operate it much differently
in China than they do here in America. It's more
of an educational tool over there. It's kind of a
brain rotting tool here for our youth in the United States.
You also call out Mark Cuban defending the NBA's relationship
(25:41):
with China. So as we look at it from just
a pop culture standpoint, we have this kind of assumed
relationship with China on so many fronts, on so many levels.
What is it going to take to wake up the
majority of Americans as to the danger that China poses.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
I don't want to say this, but I think the
answer is it's the same thing that woke us up
to Osama Bin Laden, and that is great tragedy. Remember
Osama been Laden killed six Americans on American soil in
nineteen ninety three at the bombing of the North Tower
of the World Trade Center. We just couldn't have cared less.
It took one day in two thousand and one where
(26:20):
Osama been laden killed nine hundred and seventy seven Americans.
Then we finally said, oh, there's a terrorist out there
that hates us. Well, we should be listening to what
the Chinese say, but I'm afraid we're not. And I'm
afraid because we got mark Cubans all around who want
to do business in China, despite the atrocities that are
committed there, despite all of everything that China's been doing
(26:43):
to us. And so I'm just afraid. And that's why
I wrote the book, because I would like to see
us do things to protect ourselves before more Americans die.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Find that book on Amazon and at major bookstores everywhere.
It's entitled Plan Red China's Project to Destroy America. And
you can follow him for the very latest commentary on
X at Gordon g Chang. Gordon, thank you as always
for your time. I always look forward to our conversations.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
Well, thank you so much, Ryan.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
And you can text your reaction to that conversation throughout
today's program at thirty three one zero three bookending this
segment with the talkback that we heard about Gabe Evans.
I thought it was very insightful from a voter and
a listener out there who has kind of witnessed Gabe
Evans and his arc and he's presented himself as a
congressional candidate, and I tend to agree with the assessment
(27:34):
that Gabe is very young and he's an up and
comer on the Colorado Republican scene. I believe he's a winner.
He's a guy that has served our country overseas. He
has served our country here as a law enforcement officer,
and he's served our state in Colorado in the General
Assembly as part of the Mighty nineteen in the House.
But part of becoming a better candidate is what he's
(27:55):
done to sharpen his presentation, whether it's going on with
Mandy Connell or yours truly, or Dan Kaplis or Ross
Kamenski over there in Koa as well. It's a way
to articulate your policy positions in a way that is
very understandable for the average voter, and to speak to
them directly, and to speak to them passionately, and to
speak to them from a place of authenticity, which I
(28:17):
think he's always had. But to the talkback caller's point,
I do believe he has sharp and gotten better. And
this is the very example I would cite as to
why Kamala Harris has not. She has not strengthened those
muscles to really prepare herself for the kind of campaign
that she would need to run to win against Donald Trump.
(28:38):
And further to that point, what you heard from you,
Derek Caraveo. This is the person that is shell shocked,
way out of her element, way out of her depth,
not ready for prime time, cannot articulate the things I
just said, and by comparison what you heard in this debate,
I invite you to watch it online if you didn't
witness it live. Nine News is where you can find it.
You will see a clear contrast between somebody that will
(29:00):
stand on principle, can articulate that principle against somebody who's
just twisting in the wind and saying whatever she thinks.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
She needs to say in order to get elected.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
A time out, we're back to wrap up this eight
o'clock hour. Ryan schuling in for the vacationing Michael Brown.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
I'm in favor of deporting every single illegal alien.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
After all, crossing the country illegally is a crime.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Absolutely yes.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
And this is where Comrade Kyle really sunk in on
Gabe Evans in that debate, say, well, you don't want
to deport the ones that are committing crimes. They committed
a crime coming here. Tough luck, so sad, go back
to the back of the line and try again. And
I say this like Gabe Evans, as a first generation
American on my mom's side, to call me as xenophobe
(29:50):
would be laughable. I'd love to see Kyle Clark's family tree.
My grandparents, my mom came here as immigrants the right way,
the legal way. And it's people like them that I
think about when illegal immigrants feel they can cut the line,
not play by the rules, not go through the proper process.
And my point has always been this, if they're not
(30:12):
going to respect our laws on the very first act
they take in entering our country, what motivation would they
have to respect any of our other laws and live
as an American citizen, as a part of our society,
as a contributing member of our society. It is a compact,
it is a deal, It is a bargain. That you
(30:33):
strike when you come here. You don't just get to
come here and take things from the taxpayers just funding
your existence here. No, you come here to contribute, to
add something of value to our American culture and society.
To become an American, and I'll say it, to speak English,
(30:54):
to make that a priority, to view that as important,
that you want to speak the language of the land,
and you want to communicate with other Americans, not just
hole up in your own shell and cocoon yourself in
your own culture and live as a subset of an
American culture. You bring your customs, your recipes, your restaurants,
(31:17):
your traditions, all of that. Bring it as a legal American,
but as an American who loves this country, who is
loyal to this country, who pledges allegiance to this country.
That is vital. That must be a requirement in coming here.
Comrade Kyle, there's a reason why I attached that name
(31:39):
to him. It fits this from Patty from earlier, Thank you, Patty.
The story behind Anderson Cooper and his interaction with Michael
Brown this is a little shady and suspect on the
part of AC three point sixty. Apparently, Cooper tried to
get Michael to get him in his film crew in
the boat with a female recovery team during Katrina, Brownie
(32:01):
explained that when they recovered a family in the boat,
they would likely have to leave Cooper and his team
behind to make room for the family recovered. Then Cooper
got his own boat and found their own family to
rescue and said, look, FEMA's not here, like FEMA can
be all places at all times. Patty, that's a great summation.
Thank you so much for that. You remember that now?
Dragging him telling that story? Yeah, it sounds about right. Yeah, okay,
(32:23):
I just want to be sure we get the facts right.
What else do we have here? Alexis says, thanks dragging
you rock. Nice little affirmation in the morning for the
Red Bearded one. Woo Dragon, whill you play Black Magic Woman?
We never get to hear it when Michael's around. He
already did that done. I don't think he'll do it again,
but you never know with Draggon, he's unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Maybe tomorrow, probably not.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
I've already done it once today, but we'll see how
things slide up tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Ryan.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Is the attendance up to twenty k yet for the
Trump Aurora rally. Go big Red in Colorado, please, that's
a stretch. I would love to see it. It'd be a
major upset of Trump won Colorado's electoral votes. I do
think Gabe Evans can and will win the eighth congressional
district race.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I believe Jeff Hurd will win in the third. That rhymes.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
I do believe that Lauren Bobert will win in the fourth.
Let me see what else. As far as the attendance,
I don't know. It keeps going up, and you heard
my conversation with Congresswoman Bobert earlier. If you are going tomorrow,
it starts at one. But if you get there at one,
good luck and God bless you want to get there,
(33:29):
I'd say nine am if not earlier. You know, people
camp out for these things. And the transportation part, I
think is the most difficult piece because I've heard talk
that the only way you're going to be able to
park at the venue there at Gaylord Rockies is if
you have rented a room. If that is the case,
then you're going at the park off site. Get transportation.
(33:51):
They're going to have a shuttle, I believe, But you
want to check into those details. You could just ride
share it Uber Lyft. That would be my recommendation. Drop
in on Uber, don't have to worry about parking, don't
have to worry about a shuttle, and just uberlift your
way back. That'd be my personal recommendation as a former
Uber and Lyft driver Mike Ryan DRB. I still am
(34:13):
always suspicious because of those big city late night shifts
and results. I really wish that enough resources to count
every vote in those big cities would be allocated so
they could have their account in by ten pm. Florida
gets it done, and it's a bigger state than virtually
any other except Texas California, and I do have good news.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I tried to reach out to Harme eat Dylan.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Of course, she is a legal expert and she will
be overseeing all of the goings on in Arizona about
the counting of ballots there in that very pivotal and
important swing state that got a little dicey in Maricopa
County in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Stick and stay
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Final hour straight ahead the situation without Michael Brown Ryan
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