10-21-24 - 7am - Working Class Dems vs Working Class Rep

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Michael Dragon.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
They were talking about Arnold Palmer because they were.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
At Arnold Palmer Palmer.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Airport, which was named after Arnold Palmer because he was
from that town. Come on, okay, well I didn't know that. Yes,
same here, appreciate thanks.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah, thanks, come on, well, okay, here we are. We
understand it.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Now.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
I want you to think like a Democrat for a moment.
I know you have to suspend, you have to suspend disbelief.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
And let me hit my head against the wall a
few times.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Boom boom boom.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Conventional wisdom, common sense. Now not common sense, conventional wis
that's the right phrase, conventional wisdom. Democrats are the party
that protects the little guy, right, They've always been the
party of blue collar workers. Democrats were the party of
working folks. Republicans, oh, they were the party of big business,

(00:59):
the party of the rich. Democrats the party of anti racist,
the party for people of color, for pocs. Republicans, well,
they were the party of whites races. Putting to Donald
Trump's labeling of you know, the phrase very fine people, Yeah,

(01:28):
that's the stereotype. Democrats apparently are the party of what
women's empowerment, gender equality, the me too movement, except when
it comes to you know, certain people, why you you know,
you don't the me too doesn't apply. Whereas the Republicans,
you know, that's the party of sexism, sexual harassment, and

(01:48):
that's proven obviously by Trump and the Supreme Court justices
like Brett Kevanong Claires, Thomas, Right. So you kind of
get that's that's the stereotype. That's what we that's what
we've been taught to leave. I think there is a
huge teutonic shift going on because reality is a lot
more complicated. A recent poll finds that manual labors, people

(02:14):
that work with their hands, people that get their hands dirty,
that come home and they've got grease and oil under
their fingernails, around the edges, that their hands aren't soft,
that they're calloused, and they're tough. Those people in Pennsylvania
favor Trump over Harris fifty six to thirty six percent. Now,

(02:41):
upper middle income voters, those that make between one hundred
and two hundred thousand dollars a year, favor Kamala Harris.
And I've always found that, like, wait a minute, you're
the one that keeps saying, you know, we're gonna tax tax, tax.
We're gonna tell you, you know, you make a hundred to
two hundred thousand dollars a year, and we're going to

(03:03):
tell you how to spend your money. You know, how
to live your life, what kind of house you're going
to live in, what you're going to cook with.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
They try to control everything.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
And those people who have now, just because you make
one hundred to two hundred thousand dollars a year, depending
on your family size, where you live, your job, everything,
doesn't necessarily mean you have a lot of disposable income.
You can make one hundred thousand dollars a year and
still be relatively tight squeezed. And then Harris comes out

(03:38):
and last weekend or whenever it was promised loans to
Black Americans, not to white Americans, not the Native Indian Americans,
not to Asian America, but to black Americans. She promised
them loans. Isn't that a clear violation the Civil Rights Act?

(04:03):
And Trump never called neo Nazis very fine people, And
Trump might actually return to the White House this January
faring far better among black and Hispanic voters combined than
any Republican presidential nominee since the enactment of the Civil

(04:26):
Rights Act in nineteen sixty four. That's not me saying that.
That's what the New York Times said last week. There
is there is no evidence to suggest that Republican politicians
harass or sexually assault women at higher rates than Democrats.

(04:51):
And we know that the accusations that were leveled against Trump, Bratt, Cavanaugh,
Justice Thomas, Justice Thomas.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Unprovable.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Now wait a minute, they were unprovable, But at least
three women accused Bill Clinton a sexual harassment or even
sexual assault. Again, thinking like a Democrat, it would be
an exaggeration to say that Republicans have the higher moral

(05:26):
ground on every economic, racial, or sexual issue.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
We don't.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Republicans are, in terms of just humanity, not necessarily better
or worse than anybody else. You take any group of people, Democrats, Republicans, blacks, whites, Asians, plumbers, lawyers, doctors, pediatrists, what,

(05:54):
you take any number, any group of people, there'll be
somebody in the other's committed sexual harass, that's committed a crime,
that's done something immoral, amoral. Democrats just tend to express
more concerns over racial and class inequities, say in education,

(06:17):
than do Republicans. And then Harris finally steps out and
when she realizes that, you know, all of this pandering
to blacks, I need to come out and say, oh,
you know what, anything that I really want to do
for blacks, I really want to do for all Americans. Now,
why do you think she said that? Because somebody on

(06:39):
her staff said, first of all, you know, promising to
make you know, non recourse loans, loans that are completely forgivable,
in other words, really just kind of a grant, just
kind of a gift, and you only do an give
it to black that actually might be a violation of the.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Civil Rights Act.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Republicans, obviously more than Democrats, I think, favor traditional gender roles.
Democrats favor closing the gender wage gap. But at a minimum,
the generalizations made by the cabal the Democrats are better
on economic, racial, and sexual issues than Republicans is simply unfounded.

(07:21):
Trump Fight Senator JD. Vance as vice presidential candidate. Maga Republicans,
evil word, Maga Republicans. Now, they have sort of generally
turned against privatizing social Security, but that doesn't mean that
they have ignored the fact that we've got to do
something differently to social Security somehow, it's got to change.

(07:46):
We have a hard time, I think Republicans have a
hard time, you know, really in a nuanced way making
certain that people who are currently on Social Security, hey,
you're fine, we're gonna protect that. But the system that
it is currently constructed, with demographics, childbirth rates, worker rates,

(08:08):
employment rates, everything changing the way that they are, it's
not sustainable. And Republicans have, pretty much, as I knew
what happened, because this always happens with almost any government program,
have really just kind of given up on abolishing Obamacare.
So the march towards socialism, the socialized medicine probably will

(08:31):
continue until that system too begins to collapse on itself
or people begin to find other ways to receive the
medical care that they need. And I think it's one
reason why concierge medicine is taking off like a rocket ship.

(08:51):
Some some Democrats are beginning to see the light. And
all of that background is to tell you the story
about a Democrat Party fundraising consultant by the name of
Evan Barker who has left the Democrat Party at this time,

(09:16):
in this very moment when this political realignment and up
upheaval is really beginning, to take focus in this presidential election. Now,
as I often say, I want to add a footnote here,
I look at the trend lines, and I become more

(09:40):
confident every day that now, remember, this is about getting
to two hundred and seventy electoral votes, regardless of what
the popular vote is. Because we do not conduct a
popular national election. We conduct fifty different state elections. That's why,

(10:04):
for example, in Colorado, we're only beginning to see a
lot of state representative state races, a couple of the
congressional races. We're only beginning to see ads for those.
We're not really seeing ads unless you happen to be
on a cable news channel where they've just kind of
bought an OTT spot that kind of goes everywhere. You

(10:25):
don't really see a Kamala harrisad. You don't really see
a Donald Trump ad. Why because they don't see Colorado
as being in a state of play. You live in Arizona,
you live in Minnesota, you live in North Carolina, you
live in Michigan, you live in pennsylvaniare getting in in Nevada,
You're getting inundated with these ads. The point being that

(10:48):
those trend lines in those swing states indicate to me.
I was telling some fans this over dinner on Saturday,
and I talked about it on the Saturday program too.
Donald Trump's baseline has pretty much been forty seven percent,
both in terms of the national popular vote and in

(11:10):
terms of most of the swing states. He can't really
kind of burst out of that forty seven percent sealing,
except that now he has, and many of the swing
states he's now topping that forty seven percent, and he's
up at forty eight, forty nine, fifty and fifty one percent,
and that trend line continues to grow. The point being,

(11:33):
the footnote that I wanted to make here is simply this,
there is a part of me which I'm suppressing. I'm
suppressing it very very very hard. That there may actually
be a electoral college landslide about to occur, and Donald
Trump may get three hundred and thirty six, he may

(11:55):
get an overwhelming.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Number of electoral college votes.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
And it goes back to what I said at the
very beginning, and that is, you take Pennsylvania, a must
win state for Trump, where manual labors, people that work
with their hands, favor Trump over Harris fifty six to
thirty six percent those same people don't just gloss over

(12:25):
and think that well, okay, that's that's a very wide margin,
that's a twenty percent margin.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
But are they going to vote? Those are the.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
People who are probably hardest hit by this horrible economy,
by inflation. You can say, oh, Michael, look the economy
is doing good because look at the job's numbers. Well, okay,
let's not. Let's not get distracted by the job's numbers
right now. If you want to say they're good, okay,
they're good. But people are still going to the grocery store,

(12:58):
just like I told you about the stupid a diet
coke that I get. So I noticed Saturday when I
walked into circle K to grab a diet coke that
you know, because again I don't use cash or use
a credit card, and I've been accustomed to seeing these
ninety four cent charges on my credit card at circle
K to.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Get a diet coke.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Versus the two diet cokes I get at McDonald's for
two dollars and forty nine cents, which used to be
two dollars plus tax, so much less than two forty nine.
So wherever you go, those hard working Americans, those manual
labors are finding it more difficult to buy groceries and
it continues to stay that way. So if that margin

(13:40):
is a twenty percent margin, those people are going to
go vote because it's hitting their pocketbook every week when
they fill their car and every week when they go
to the grocery store. So back to Evan Barker, why
did she leave the party? Because she's accusing the leaders

(14:01):
of the Democrat Party of being hypocritical on sexual harassment,
and she's now claiming that they the Democrats are beholding
to beholden to wealthy donors and they're completely out of touch,
or they are so beholden to the wealthy and the
elites that they're out of touch with everyday Americans. So

(14:24):
the rules have become reversed. She's a thirty three year
old mother of a two year old boy. Said that
as she was doing her consulting business for Democrats, but
she saw Democrats promise one thing publicly and tell donors
something else privately. She said that she heard progressive candidates
quote that have said, therefore medicare for all, but then

(14:47):
talk to a donor who is like, no, I don't
want that, and then they'll say, well, I'm not really
going to do that. That's just something that I go
out there and say, panderin seeing the pandering, and she's
seen the hypocrisy, and she's becoming enlightened enough that she

(15:08):
knows that something like Medicare for all when Social Security
itself is floundering, she knows that that's totally unworkable. And
then she said in an interview that democratic campaigns are
rife with sexual misconduct. Now, part of me is not

(15:31):
surprised by that because of just some of the really
bizarre stuff that I heard and saw during my almost
six years as the undersecretary. She said, quote, I've seen
candidate candidates that have openly used people. I've seen candidates
sleep with donors. The worst thing that anyone's ever asked

(15:51):
me to do is to sleep with their opponent to
get them to potentially drop out.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
The wealthy donors often treated Barker as personal staff, she says,
and that they would treat her disrespectfully. She says, quote,
I had a woman like scream at me in front
of three hundred people inside her house while somebody that
was running for Congress who's actually in Congress now was speaking.

(16:24):
I went outside to her patio to take a call
and opened the screen door and it made her cold,
and she gets screamed.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
At for it.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
I'm not surprised by these stories in the least because
these are the kinds of people that say one thing.
These are the and don't get me wrong, some Republicans
do this too. Now, this woman is from Kansas City, Missouri,
so she found the work kind of glamorous. She has

(16:55):
all these photos on our Instagram page with Michelle Obama,
Bernie say AOC she says, quote, You're getting to see
how a part of society lives. She gets to go
to fundraiser with the celebrities. There's always amazing food.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
It was very different to what I grew up with.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
What does she grow up with?

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Those working class people?

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Morning, Michael, I'm setting waiting to go to court over
a mask violation four years ago.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Just found out.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Isn't that fun? What over a mask violation?

Speaker 4 (17:33):
It took me a second to process that one too.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
It was like, wait, what four years ago and you're
going to court.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
You got a ticket or a summons, or you were sued,
or it has to do with your employer. You can't
just leave a short talk back like that. You got
to if you're sitting waiting for court to begin in
twenty six minutes or something. Court starts at eight am,

(18:02):
you need to get on your phone and send us
an email or a text message about what the hell's
going on.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
We need more details, something more than eleven seconds long.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Thank you, Holy crap ola Ugh.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Let me finish the story about Barker. She she represents
or I shouldn't say represents.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
She comes from that fifty six.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Percent of those of those manual labors in Pennsylvania that
are going to vote for Donald Trump, that favored Trump
over Harris. I say she's like them because she spent
most of her childhood living in trailer parks. And she
talks about how she saw physical violence, pops getting called

(18:58):
domestic violence, things like that. She went to thirteen different
schools suburban schools, rural schools, inner city schools where she
was where she was the minority. Her parents have been
married a collective total of eleven times between the two
of them. Her father drank what she called a handle

(19:20):
a scotch every day. And by a handle, she means
she didn't know how to describe other than being like
a big jug and she says that many of her
members of her family are indeed manual labors, they're construction workers,
they're union members. And she was born with a rare
genetic disease called primary silly area dyskenesia, a lung disease

(19:47):
kind of like cystic fibrosis. And she says she's been
sick her entire life in an out of hospitals, getting
frequent pneumonias every few months, eight or nine surgeries before
she was twelve years old. So this is what you
might call a turbulent childhood, and that turbulent childhood, depending
on how you react to it, will teach you how

(20:10):
to adapt and deal with different kinds of people. When
she turned seventeen years old, she decided that she was
going to campaign for Barack Obama because she was turning
eighteen just before the election. She says this, and I
was on his campaign in two thousand and eight, I
felt like I was working with people of all colors,

(20:30):
all races. There was any sort of dividing, like you're
a white woman, you're a black woman, or you're a
LATINX woman, all different types of people from different backgrounds.
I truly felt like we were all in this together,
hope and change. Right Barack Obama supposedly the first post
racial president. He was going to bring he was gonna

(20:51):
unite the entire country. Go back, you remember that crap.
You probably remember the but you don't remember how he's
going to fundamentally transform America. It drives me batty, she says. However,
now remember she starts out in two thousand and eight

(21:14):
in that campaign, age seventeen, about to turn eighteen, working
for Barack Obama. Now why is this story important. This
story is important because go back to that fifty six
to thirty six percent of working people in Pennsylvania that
are supporting Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
This is why, down deep in my.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Gut and im and I'm taking a risk saying this
because I could be completely wrong, but I just have
this gut feeling that we're about to witness an electoral landslide. Now,

(21:53):
an electoral landslide does not mean that he wins like
Ronald Reagan doesn't get forty nine states, but he wins
say every state, maybe, but Minnesota or Wisconsin. But if
he wins Pennsylvania, he's going to lose Omaha, Nebraska because
of the way they set things up. Omaha is just

(22:13):
a Democratic crap hole down like Denver if if he
loses the popular vote, which is likely because of did
you see the number of people on the ballot when

(22:33):
you voted your Colorado ballot? The number of people running
for president? And then I see the number of people,
Not big, just anecdotal that I see on Facebook in
my newsfeed that are so anti Trump. I mean, they
claim to be conservative, but they're anti Trump. So they're
writing in their own names. I saw at least four
of those yesterday. Now it's no big deal in Colorado,

(22:56):
but still I think that's a vote for Kamala Harris.
Still vote for Kamala Harrison state that doesn't really make
any difference, But nonetheless, it's the vote for Kamala Harris
that will go counting toward that popular vote count, which
she might actually win but lose the electoral college. And
we've seen that happen before many times. Back to Miss Barker,

(23:19):
so she starts out with Barack Obama, but then says,
somewhere between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, things really started
to change for her and she started to understand what
was going on. She says, quote, they're dividing people up
by identity groups and perpetuating divisiveness instead of focusing on

(23:43):
economic issues that could bring people of all races together,
she says. And then in twenty twenty, Bernie Sanders, for
whom she had done some work, got, for lack of
a better word, wokeness. And then we get to twenty
twenty and the killing of George Floyd. Her colleagues in

(24:09):
the Democrat Party told her to stop criticizing the ideas
of a black colleague, even though what she had said
was related to the work, quote like the number of
call time hours that were being scheduled, or the number
of fundraisers, and quote not at all to race or

(24:30):
George Floyd or anything they would tell me, not to
correct people of color. She was even called a privileged
white woman and was told her employer told her that
she needed DEI training, to which she responded, what do

(24:52):
you mean? My family still really struggles. And so that
is why I now have what she describes as exp
we'll receive like anger at the Democrat Party. And then
in August she goes to the convention and she says,
that was the last straw quote I was truly hoping

(25:17):
to be reinspired to feel the same love for the
party I felt as a teenager when I pounded the
pavement for Barack Obama. Instead, she said, quote, I felt
submersed in a hollow chamber whose mottos were brat, summer
and joy that were totally out of touch with regular

(25:41):
everyday Americans and their pressing needs.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Close quote.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
I would add that she saw that they were just
words and that they didn't really care about families like hers.
So she says she looked at her future and she
didn't like what she saw. She said, I've met fundraisers
who said things to me like nothing, you canna excite me.

(26:07):
I'm dead inside. I've met everybody, and I've gone everywhere
and it's just nothing. So she came home, she recorded
a five minute video posted it to TikTok.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
She says as she stares into the camera, I'm going
to get real in this and it's probably going to
piss some people off, but I'm okay with that, except
if I'm not being honest, then what else am I doing?
And the video went viral. When I last checked, which
was on Saturday, ten million people had seen it. Across

(26:40):
all social media platforms with twenty five thousand comments. May
you might think that's a good ending to the story,
except that it's not. She got backlash. I've lost so
many friends, she said. People said they were disappointed in me.
They don't speak to me, they yell at me, They
accused me of things that aren't true, of just wanting

(27:01):
a career on the right, of just wanting to pander
to Republicans. She says that the hypersensitivity to race among
Democrats is not popular among regular working people like my family,
that actually have real issues that they're trying to deal with,
like being able to afford groceries, being able to afford,
like hearing aids. To just sit around and talk about

(27:23):
these sort of like abstract issues comes from a place
of total out of touchness with the experience of working
class people. And then she goes this, the idea that
all black people are more oppressed than white.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
People is the thing that will ultimately keep.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
The Democrat Party from ever winning back the working class. Now,
she didn't turn Republican, she went independent, and she still
is a progressive I think at large because and again
it goes back to Obamacare, because she claims that after college,
she would not have had health insurance but for Obamacare.

(28:02):
She said, I don't think Obamacare went far enough. I
think there should be a public government option for healthcare
in the United States. So she is for socialized medicine,
but she's beginning to realize that the basic tenets of
the Democrat Party are not about working Americans. And that's
why I have this gut feel that Donald Trump over
here just doing things like going to that stupid McDonald's

(28:27):
where many Americans go because maybe that's cheaper than buying
the groceries, or they're just trying to give something to
their kids and they're struggling.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Just to go back to McDonald's. She said at the end.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
At first I naively thought the system was broken, but
now I realize it isn't broken. It's doing what it
was designed to do, which is to keep working class
people from true representation. That is the point, that is
the feature. It is not a bug, and Donald Trump
is tapping into that.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Now.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yes, she's still a progressive, Yes she's for socialized medicine,
but over here on the other side, she's recognizing the
Democrat Party is not the party of working class Americans,
and yes, I'll go to a break fifty six in
Pennsylvania loone fifty six percent of working class Americans or
for Donald Trump opposed to thirty six percent for Kamala Harris.

(29:31):
That's why I've got that feeling down in my gut.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Good.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
I like when it's somebody yelled Jesus is Lord at
a Harris rally, she kills back, y'all are at the
wrong rally. You know what what Two days later, now
she's at a Baptist church.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I'm pretty old in the case.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
Of emergency break glass, that's pretty much what that was.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Damnage control.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
I have a little different take on that whole incident
about Jesus's Lord and what. And she said, you may
be at the wrong rally because I've heard the crowd audio,
and I've heard the audio from the stage, and I'm
not convinced you actually heard that. I think she may
have heard some booing and that's what she was responding to.

(30:25):
But it's immaterial to your point. She did decide, oh,
maybe I'll break you to a black church to start
asking for their vote. Yeah, probably a little late, sweetheart, dragon.
So what'd you find out about the whole penis ABC
News thing.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
So I do have to apologize that it was not
the Arnold Palmer comments that ABC refused to talk about.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Apparently. Let me pull this up, make sure I got
the right audio over here, get that one clicking? Click
there Now I sound like Michael damn it. I'm just terrible?

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Is this?

Speaker 2 (30:56):
So? This is what ABC aired can on Latroll Pennsylvan A.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Mister Trump insulted Harris using a barnyard curse word that
we as yet have not bleeped, so we can't hear it.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
So why talk about it right?

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Or why not your ABC News bleep hell's mails? If
we can bleep it, why can't you bleep it?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Oh? I have bleeped it.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Let me mind you it? Uh huh, I certainly did. Wow,
I had time to bleep it.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
You could probably get a job at ABC News.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
A Kamala Harris that you've had enough that you just
can't take it anymore. We can't stand you. You were
at vice president.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
The worst Yeah, the worst night, and it happened to
me one of my favorite.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Words, yes, the S word, and mind you.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
This report aired on our station right here at seven
thirty p m. Trump's rally was at four thirty.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
P Did this I don't listen to this. I mean,
I just don't listen to anything. Did this station carry
the rally?

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I don't believe they did.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
But but the I at four thirty five thirty six
thirty seven thirty that's four hours.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
And you bleeped it out in probably i'm a guess,
maybe sixty seconds.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
I had to record that into the system. So I
had to take the original clip, which is about twenty
seconds long, recorded and hit record, just stop, cut off
the ends of the the the end in the beginning,
and then find the S bomb, highlight the S bomb
and then then insert the bleep, which took me.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
And then so then you had to save the file.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
No, I didn't save it yet.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Oh yeah, okay, you know that's a two.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Semunds right, there's still that, Yeah, fifteen seconds.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
I spent two minutes at most, including searching for the clip, which.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Again is well, First of all, we learned several things.
It wasn't really what it was about.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
It wasn't about penis, it was about something else. Wow,
you can trust, but you can trust the cabal