3-15-25 The Weekend Hour 2: The Smugness of Government Employees: NCAR & VOA

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, broadcasting life in Denver, Colorado. It's the weekend of
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signed an executive voter that targets very specific federal agencies

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for operational reductions, a lot of them. Let's just reduce
the size of government. And oh my gosh, the left
is going ballistic. I'm sorry. Let me chase this squirrel
for just a moment. If you listen, it's freaking unbelievable
how off the rails they are. You know, let me,

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I'm going to completely plagiarize something here for a moment.
So a friend of mine here in Denver, John Caldero.
He's the president of something called the Independence Institute. And
John and I have been friends for I don't know,
decades probably, and his institute is think tank, is a

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free market, you know, individual liberty kind of think tank,
and they do they do really good work in Colorado.
They just accomplished something really good That is off topic,
and I'll get to that some other time. But I
saw a post that he made on Facebook, maybe yesterday

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or day before, and it had to do with the
National Center for Atmospheric Research, the Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
and has this thing called in car in Boulder, Colorado.
It's this giant, red brick edifice that sits on open space.

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Now how much you know about Boulder, Colorado. But it
would be like putting something in Oh, I don't know.
I'm trying to think of someplace it would be equally beautifully,
either on the edge of the Grand Canyon or in
the middle of a national park, or in Marina del Rey,
or you know, or somewhere in the middle of along

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the beach in Santa Barbara. It just doesn't fit. And well,
I'll read you what he writes. A minute and you'll
get the picture. But some of the workers at this lab,
I'm just going to call it a lab for short.
We're laid off this week as part of the reduction

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of part of doje's effort, the Department of Government Efficiencies
effort to reduce the size of government to get rid
of waste, fraud, and abuse. Now, any organization, the organization
that I work for, iHeartRadio, iHeartMedia, Premiere Networks, they they
periodically go through reductions and forces trying to make the
company more efficient, more profitable. And that's what any public

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company would do. That's what any private company would do.
Is what you try to do in your own home.
You try to make it more efficient. You tried to,
at least I hope you do that. You try to be,
you know, good stewards of whatever money that you earn. Well,
we should be good stewards of the money that we
pay to the FEDS or to the state and local

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governments to run government. So part of that might be, Hey,
you know, over the course of years that we just
hired too many people and you know technology, look look
at radio. I mean I know that maybe I personally
think we've gone a little too far in radio. But
radio has changed so much technologically that whereas you know,

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when the building I'm broadcasting from right now now in
Denver used to house hundreds of people, it maybe today
houses a one hundred people. It's because technology has changed.
I am honestly right now sitting in Denver, Colorado. But
the technology has improved so much that I can also

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and have done this program broadcast out to three hundred
and fifty plus stations all across the country from my
undisclosed location in New Mexico in a little tiny studio
that I've made out of a closet in an extra bedroom. Yeah,
that's how technology has changed so much over the past

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say ten or fifteen years. So reductions in force changing
the way we do business is part of the natural
process as technology changes and we get more efficient. So
people in Boulder get laid off and they have a
proto test and Caldera, the president of the Independence Institute,

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writes the following, I rarely sit down and just read
something to you, but I really do want to read
this to you, and I think I can do it
before the break. If not, we'll break it up and
split it up, but listen to what John writes. Full
credit of this goes to John Caldera, Boulder, Colorado is
on high smug alert over Trump's Noah. That's the National

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Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration over Noah. Layoffs. Losing your job sucks.
We all empathize with people who get laid off, as
we should, including the formerly untouchable federal government workers. Was
it Ronald Reagan that once said quote, A recession is
when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when

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you lose yours. John writes, well, I'm guessing you've lost
a job or two to layoffs, a reorganization, or just
economic changes. I sure have. I would insert here. I
certainly have, because that's what happens in the private sector
all the effing time. And he says, as painful as
it is, might federal workers be getting the adulting they need?

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Could it possibly help them empathize with the private workers?
Their regulations, their mandates, their bureaucracy, and their taxes have
made unemployed think about this is me talking now, not Caldera.
Think about private businesses and how much we have suffered

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under all the bureaucratic, administrative state that has imposed all
these regulations on us over everything you could possibly imagine. Well,
now those people who impose those regulations on us that
forces us to change the way we do business, forces

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some business outright shut down. Those very people that did
it to us are now having it done to them,
and they're crying like a bunch of little babies. I
don't find I find it funny only in the sense
that it's humorously ironic. I still empathize with anybody that

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loses a job, because it turns your life upside down suddenly.
Now you've got to find something else to do. You
have to, you have to go out on the hunt.
You gotta you know, you gotta feed yourself. You gotta
pay the mortgage, you gotta pay the car payment, you
gotta whatever it is that you have to do. So yes,
I empathize. But at the same time, here I go. Now,
maybe you understand what you've been doing to us. John

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continues in this statement that he makes. He writes, in
my elitist hometown of Boulder, where an absurd percentage of
people make their money from government jobs or contracts, there
is an entitled sense that pedestrian worries like job security
are for the little people, not the sanctified command and

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control class smug alert In Boulder, last week's nearly all
white public temper tantrum on the law of the National
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's prime real estate drew an estimated
one thousand people to virtue signal their superiority, more so
than protest layoffs, he writes. Interesting, Noah doesn't headquarter a

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much cheaper land and a much less expensive town if
they were in Lamar, Colorado, a rural town southeast of here.
What would the demonstration look like if it was in Lamar, Colorado,
but from its mountaintop perch overlooking Brazil's real Desianario is
the one hundred foot high Jesus Statute the Christ the Redeemer. Boulder,

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he writes, has a similarly worshiped religious icon perched above
older nestled in front of the majestic flat irons beautiful
mountains is the peak cement slab building of the National
Center for Atmospheric Research in car I'll continue after this.

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layoffs because we started out talking in general about well
I was going to go to Voice of America, but
I want to do en Car first because John Caldera
of the Independence Institute here in Denver wrote this amazing
statement about the layoffs and the protests that occurred in Boulder,
Colorado because of the layoffs, and I think it's hilarious.

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It's so John Caldera, who I know, you don't know,
but he's a good friend of mine, because it's applicable
to every single layoff protest that you've seen from these
federal government employees since those started slashing and burning. The
size of the administrative state something that those on the right,

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including yours truly, have always believed was long overdue. So
let me back up just a moment, because I want
to give you the perspective of again. Boulder, Colorado is
a is a beautiful place, but it's also a surreal
place because it's up against the rocky mountains. It's beautiful,
but it's full of all of these government workers, and

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it's it's kind of well, it's just a super liberal,
super crazy progressive Marxist kind of city. Appropriately now like
Metro Colorado, John Wrights, you know, from its mountain perch
overlooking Brazil's real dejan Areo is the one hundred foot

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Hi Jesus statute, the Christ the Redeemer statute. I've been
to that statute. It's beautiful. Boulder, he writes, has a
similarly worshiped religious icon perched above Boulder. Nestled in front
of the majestic flatirons, which are truly beautiful, is the
pink cement slab building of the National Center for Atmospheric Research,

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known as InCAR. No other buildings are allowed on our
precious open space except this huge edifice to government. John says,
if it's signs said Exxon instead of in Car, Bolder
mobs would tear it down so the land could be

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returned to nature. But we don't mess with religious symbols,
he writes. What struck me about the Noah protest was
the pure elitism of its messaging. They seem completely unaware,
as all of Boulder is it wreaked of We are
They educated the credential class, and without us, you riff

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raff would be lost. Don't you know That's exactly how
they think. It's exactly how they think. It's exactly my
attitude that when I was dealing with members of Congress,
whether you were you know, I respected the office. I
respect you know, even Chuck Schumer or Hillary Clinton or
any of those that Democrats I had to deal with,

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I still respected their office. My dealings with Chuck Schumer
we're gonna talk about later. My dealings with Chuck Schumer
always above board. But I always looked at him and thought,
you know, you think you're so you think that you
know you're you know what doesn't stink? Well it does
because you're just like everybody else. You put your pants
on like the rest of us, and you do everything

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else just like the rest of us. You just happen
to have a title that says us senator. So I
respect the office, but you are going to work as equals.
Politicians need to be cut down to size. Anyway, back
to Caldera's statement, he says, here's a quick sampling of

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the hand of the handheld placards they were waving. See
if you can spot a theme. Hands off science, trust science,
support science, respect science, stand for science. You can't fire science.
Science makes America great. Science equals real, As John says, subtle,

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isn't it? We got a boulder? Scientists are the high
priests of your faith, and we have absolutely no right
to demand a better return on their work. A false dichotomy,
he says. These signs drip with the self importance of
the social engineering class. Removed from the reality of where

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the money that feeds them comes from. They have become
an over fed entitlement class of their own. Scientists are
supposed to be good with numbers. I mean, after all,
they're not journalists. Since nineteen fifty, he writes, our population
has a bit more than doubled, but government employment employment

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has gone up nearly five four what's the science behind that?
I'd say that's a pretty damn good question, So he writes,
given our debt is at never before seen one twenty
percent of GDP, their jobs are paid with money borrowed
from our great grandchildren. Doesn't the science say that at

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some point there has to be a reckoning? Doesn't science
say the sooner we tackle the unbridled government spending, the
less pain there will be. Like the well spoken elite
who populate Hollywood, academia and the legacy media like NPR,
these people have no realization they are the reason that
Donald Trump was so overwhelmingly re elected. They can't smell

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their own smugness. They think the rest of the country
is like Boulder. The question is not if science is needed,
because it is in this case. The question is can
government run meteorology be done at a lesser cost? Not
one sign addressed that question, He says, These protests knowingly

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push a false narrative, a false dichotomy. Either we pay
for all these government employees, or nobody's going to be
able to track the weather. Government has no competition, no
market force to make it more efficient, no market force
to make it innovate. The only time there's even a
small possibility of efficiency or innovation is when we slash

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government budgets. Just talk to telephone operators, travel agents, even
income tax preparers, who have all predominantly been replaced by technology,
and forbid that innovation happened in government. Hey government, he says, Hey,

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government workers, that's what losing your job feels like. It
really sucks, don't it. Kel There is exactly right now.
Let's apply that to something else. Voice of America coming
up next, It's the Weekend with Michael Brown. Text the
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at Michael Brown USA. At Michael Brown USA. So I
had originally this hour intended to talk about Voice of
America VOA, but the minute I started to remind me
of what Caldera had written about the National Oceanic and

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Atmospheric Researches, National Center Center for Atmospheric Research, the end
car building in both of Colorado, and he had written
that great statement which I read to you in the
last segment, about how stupid it is and how people
getting laid off happens to the private sector all the time.

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And what we're seeing in this reaction from government employees
shows that one the civil civil service system has got
to be reformed because it makes zero sense. Now I
understand the history of it and understanding the history of
why it is the way it is today because one
I had to deal with it when I was the undersecretary,

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but two because I've always been a student of Theodore Roosevelt.
In fact, I was at one time I was a
member of the on the board of director with the
board of Trustees of the Theodore Roosevelt Association. So I
know the history of TR. And when tr was fighting
Tammany Hall in Manhattan in New York, one of the

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things he did was he cleaned up the civil service system.
And then he became the Assistant Secretary of the Navy,
and he created what is now this civil service system
that keeps people from getting fired. And then the unions
came in back during the depression, and the unions took holden.
Even FDR opposed federal government workers unionizing. So like everything

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else is just grown and grown and grown and gotten
out of control. And now that we're trying to apply
some private sector principles, which is what everybody's always said
they wanted. People have always talked about we need the
government to run like a business. Well now we're doing that,
and people are screaming like stuck pigs and I think

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it's hilarious. And now we've gone to Voice of America
because yesterday the President signed this executive order and he
targeted several specific agencies for operational reductions, including the parent
organization of the government funded media outlet, Voice of America. Now,

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all of this is part of Trump's ongoing efforts to
streamline government operations. The order that he did yesterday mandates
that these agencies simply scaled back their activities to the
legal minimum. Now what does that mean. Here's what happens
inside Washington. And this goes back to we've talked about

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this before, the Chevron doctrine. The Chevron doctrine was that rule,
that decision by the Supreme Court that said, Congress, you
pass a law, and you give to these government regulatory
agencies this authority to you write the rules and regulations
to implement the laws that we passed. So the agencies

(21:14):
ran with that. They were like, Wow, we can act
like a mini Congress. We can do what we want
to do. We can force our philosophy, we can force
our belief systems on businesses that we regulate through these
rules and regulations. And the Court just told us that
they're going to have to defer to us on the

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rules and regulations unless Congress specifies otherwise. So there's fault everywhere.
Congress didn't do its job, and the deep state, the
administrative state, ran with the Chevron doctrine, and suddenly you
can be a criminal for violating a rule where Congress

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maybe never intend at that, but that's exactly what, for example,
the EPA does, just to name one among many. So
the Chevron doctrine, which has since been overruled, is what
Trump's trying to now push back down because when when
these bureaucrats look at these rules or regulations, what they

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saw was, oh, this is our baseline. So at a minimum,
we can do this. But under the Chevron doctrine, we
can go all the way as tall as the Empire
State Building, or we can go as high as a
fourteen or mountain. We can go as high as we want.
We can go as high as one of must rocket ships.

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And so they did. And Trump is now saying, you
go look at what you were told to do, and
you scale back your rules, your regulations, your programs to
the bare legal minimum. Other words, go look at the
enabling legislation when Congress passed an act that included a

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program what's the bare minimum you have to do to
comply with that. That's a sea change in the way
the government will operate. That's a sea change and what
the administrative state will be allowed to do. And of
course that's when they start crying. So among these agencies
that got affected by this new ruling on Friday, this

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new order are the US Agency for Global Media, under
which the Voice of America THEA operates, along with Radio
Free Europe, Radio Liberty, and Radio Free Asia. Now there
are also additional targets which include the Federal When you
stop and think about me listing off some of these things,

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I know you've probably heard of THEA. You've probably heard
about the Voice of America, and you may have heard
about Radio Free Europe. Have you heard of Radio Liberty?
Have you heard of Radio Free Asia? Have you heard
of the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service? Have you heard
of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. Have you

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heard of the Institute of Museum and Library Services? Have
you heard of the US Interagency Council on Homelessness? Have
you heard of the Community Development Financial Institution's Fund? Have
you heard of the Minority Business Development Agency. Now you
haven't even I the former Undersecretary of Homeland Security AD

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and I'd never heard of the Community Development Financial Institutions Fund.
What the hell is that? Now? The order specifies a
reduction in all functions not explicitly required by law, and
then converts any statutory task to their minimal implementation. So,

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in other words, let me put in Layman's terms, you
have to look. Let's say that you're the Deputy Secretary
of Commerce and under YOUU you have these assistant secretaries,
and under the assistant secretaries or all these program managers.

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So the assistant secretaries are being told by the undersecretaries.
You go to your program managers and you look at
every program and if you're doing something that is not
explicitly required by the statute that created that program, cut
it out. And then you have to do something else.

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You have to convert any of the lawful tasks to
whatever the minimum is to implement that. So, if you're
doing ten things to implement this law, but you could
really only do it with two, then reduce, get rid
of those eight things you're doing, reduce it to the

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minimal implementation. That's huge. Now, let me be honest with you,
that's going to take that's going to be like pushing
a noodle uphill, because you're going to meet resistance in
the administrative state, because that means when you start reducing

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things to the minimum required by law. Let's just say,
let me pull some numbers out of my butt. That program,
whatever that program is, has a thousand people working on it.
But when you look at, oh, if I convert this
task to the minimally required for implementing the task as

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required by law, and I've got a thousand people doing it,
but I could do it with two hundred people, that
means you've got to lay off eight hundred people. And
that means you've got eight hundred people that are fighting
with the program manager, who are fighting the assistant secretary,
who in the assistant secretary is being pushed by the

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undersecretary to get those things done, who's also being pushed
by the secretary to get those things done. So you've
got this head on collision between two locomotives. One is
being pushed by the new philosophy of the administration through
the secretary, the deputy secretary, the undersecretary, and the assistant secretaries.

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That are pushing down, and then you have all those
thousand employees that have never been challenged in their entire
life in the government that are pushing the other direction.
That's a huge step and it is one of the
most significant steps that the Trump administration is taken. That
will when fully done, and I emphasize again when fully done,

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because it's not going to happen by Monday, it's not
going to happen by next Friday. But they've started the process.
It will transform the federal bureaucracy. Now, let me throw
some shade at myself. The Department of Government Efficiency DOGE
has only asked about one hundred thousand positions one hundred

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thousand within the two point three million federal work for
federal workforce. So at a two point three million, you've
gotten rid of one hundred thousand. Now you've put a
freezing four and aid, you've terminated a handful of contracts
and a handful of programs. That's great. That's what I

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call a good start. But that's all it is, is
a good start. Now, if you get pushedback as you're
relaying what I've talked about, Yes, Trump previously had disagreements
with Voice of America during his first term, and he's

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now appointed former news anchor Carrie Lake, who was ran
for governor, ran for senator in Arizona. She's now the
new director. So this is key because while while I
personally it's a material why I personally don't care a
lot for Kerry Lake, nonetheless she's there and she's going
to be loyal to Donald Trump. So this is how

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you do it at the most base level, is you
appoint someone to run Voice of America who shares your
agenda so that you can help those assistant secretaries that
oversee Voice of America to accomplish what Trump's trying to do. Here.
It's just one example, but I think it's a worthwhile example.

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and burn for some time before the taxpayers who fund

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big government, you and me are really going to feel
any pain. But here are some examples of what federal
bureaucrafts have focused on. At the EPA Biden era, Environmental
Protection Agency, employees spent work hours implementing diversity, equity, and
inclusion policies throughout the agency, focusing on, in particular, on

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degendering their bathrooms. How do you degender a bathroom? Do
you take stalls out? Do you take urinals out? Do you?
I mean, what do you explain to me? And as
you think through that the logistics of degendering restrooms in

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an office building, I want you to think about the
cost involved in doing that. It's insane. They also focused
on hiring more gay and trans gender employees. And when
I read that, I thought, how do you know? Now?
I understand that you know some gay men or some

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lesbians you might physically or by their traits go Oh,
I so I assume you must be gay or lesbian
or transgender. Oh, you kind of look like a woman,
but you sound like a man, or vice versa. But
you can't think that way. You can't do that. But

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you know that that's what people do. But what I
really want to know is, how do you truly know
if part of your plan at EPA is that you're
going to hire more gay and transgenderal employees? Is that
on the questionnaire? Is it? Because if it is, doesn't
that violate some anti discrimination law? Have we not reached

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an enlightened, enlightened point in society where we don't care
or do we now have to? We've gotten rid of
the box that says black, white, you know, Hispanic other
than whatever, there's something about hispanic. I forget how it's phrased,
or Asian or Native American or other. And now we've

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included are you gay? Are you lesbian? Can you? Can
you tell us that? Who do you sleep with? This
is how insane it is. What kind of genitals do
you have? We understand you. You you've grown your hair out,
and you put makeup on, and you've fixed your eyebrows
and your eyelashes and stuff. But what's between your legs?

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I mean that it's insane. And then EPAPA also introduced
new gender neutral honorific. Do you know what an honorific is?
It's like, you know, the honorable so and so or
mister so and so, or missus so and so or
the Reverend so and so. No, they've introduced a new
one MX mix Mix Mix Mixed mac MX. All of

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that's according to internal agency documents that were reviewed, obtained
by and reviewed by the Washington Free Beacon. Let's go
to NASA. By the way, I guess, I guess they
got the astronauts down right. So NASA, rather than being
focused on oops, we got some people stuck up in space,
up in the space station. Let's do this. They developed

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some coursework. The coursework included things such as Diversity All
in three and a half hour course which provides a
common understanding and language for diversity and inclusion. You get home, well, babe,
what'd you do at work today? When I spent half
the day in diversity class to learn common understanding about

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language for diversity inclusion? Why'd you really learn nothing? I played?
I played solitary on my laptop while they were whoever
was yacting about it, Or maybe you went to this
three hour course, The Power of Inclusion that was to
teach you how to engage men so you could advance

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women in leadership positions. That seems kind of sexist, doesn't it.
So women are so weak that, I mean, I think
about all the women in my lives. If I said, hey,
I attended a class today, spent three hours so I
can learn how to help you advance in leadershi position.
So I'm here to help you, I probably get slapped

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across the room. Or I could go to this course,
The Illusion of Inclusion, Global Inclusion, Unconscious Bias, and the
bottom Line. Now that's a book that NASA has. They
probably paid somebody to write this. It offers a roadmap
and an easy to comprehend model on how to minimize
the impact of unconscious and conscious biases, to which I say,

(35:27):
screw you, or I could have done this one Diversity
Beyond Lip Service, a coaching guide for challenging bias. Another
book it sets out to make white men feel discomfort.
I feel uncomfortable just talking about some of this stuff.

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Not not at all. Then there's a USDA, you know
that runs the scandal plagued foodstamp program. Uh, they gave
six hundred thousand dollars to a Southern University, AMN College
and Baton Rouge. What are they supposed to do? Study

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menstrual cycles in transgender men? Got it? When you figure
that one out, let me know. So we came with
Michael Brown. Hang tight, I'll be right back.