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In my conversation with Brian, we talk about how the passing of both of his parents made him rethink everything that he thought he knew about food and how our systems are set up.
It was this quest if you will, that made him leave his tech job and start to do his own soul searching and researching that eventually lead him to start to work on the documentary Food Lies to try to explain some of the myths as well as educate himself and others along the way about big food and the food industry in general.
Brian Sanders is the filmmaker behind the Food Lies documentary, host of the top 5 nutrition podcast Peak Human, and an international speaker. He graduated from UCLA with a degree in Mechanical Engineering.
He’s the founder of Sapien Center, a popular health club in Austin. He also works to spread the awareness of regenerative agriculture and increase access to well-raised animal products through his nationwide meat & body care company Nose to Tail.
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The Good Foods podcast was created and hosted by Shardan Sandoval in March of 2023 and was active until September of 2024.
In my conversation with Brian, we talk about how the passing of both of his parents made him rethink everything that he thought he knew about food and how our systems are set up.
It was this quest if you will, that made him leave his tech job and start to do his own soul searching and researching that eventually lead him to start to work on the documentary Food Lies to try to explain some of the myths as well as educate himself and others along the way about big food and the food industry in general.
Brian Sanders is the filmmaker behind the Food Lies documentary, host of the top 5 nutrition podcast Peak Human, and an international speaker. He graduated from UCLA with a degree in Mechanical Engineering.
He’s the founder of Sapien Center, a popular health club in Austin. He also works to spread the awareness of regenerative agriculture and increase access to well-raised animal products through his nationwide meat & body care company Nose to Tail.
Food Lies ➡️ https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post#/
Peak Human Podcast ➡️ https://www.peak-human.com/
Sapien Center ➡️ https://www.sapiencenter.com/
Nose to Tail ➡️ https://nosetotail.org/
The Good Foods podcast was created and hosted by Shardan Sandoval in March of 2023 and was active until September of 2024.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello. I'm Brian Sanders, filmmaker behind the documentary Food Lies,
host of the top five nutrition podcast Peak Human, and
co founder of Sapien. And this is the Good Foods Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
All of us are on a journey towards better health,
and we're grateful that you've allowed us to join you
on your quest. In this episode, O.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Cow has evolved for millions of years eating grass and
turning that low quality nutrition grass. It's just sell yours
and upcycling it through all these gut microbes and their
four stomachs and turning it into their meat and fat
that humans can eat.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
This is the Good Foods Podcast. And now here's your
host show.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Dan, Brian, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Absolutely,
let's do it all right. Where did you grow up
and what was your world like back then? Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Man, I was in Hawaii. I was on a Wahoo
is amazing. Really, you know, I grew up pretty naturally.
I grew up barefoot actually, but I grew up in
the eighties and we actually ate the food pyramid diet.
That's kind of how I started. My journey was way
back then. And my parents, you know, they cooked all
(01:17):
their own meals and we kind of just lived what
we thought was a healthy lie. And then it really
caught up to them and myself later on. How does
a mechanical engineer become the person we know now? What
was happening back then and what made you shift your
focus and transform yourself into the Brian we know today? Yeah? Well, yeah,
(01:41):
mechanical engineer was my first career. It was great then
I was in tech, and then around ten years ago
everything changed. I lost both my parents. So they went
along their life. As I said that, they thought they
were healthy, they thought they were doing the right thing.
We weren't eating fast food, we were cooking our own meals.
And then I basically lost both of them when I
(02:01):
was thirty, and that just shook me up. My friends
were actually they found this book, the Primal Blueprint as Marxist,
and he's great.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Is still my sort of idol. Really, he's like seventy
and he's just so healthy and just the man. And
I read his book and I thought, how simple is this?
Or he just laid out this way of eating that's
just Hey, let's look to our past. It's not like
we have to go live in a cave or throw
away all modern conveniences. But all animals do best on
(02:31):
the diet which they evolved on or which they ate
for most of their history. And he was just aren't
doing that anymore. And it's as you can make some
simple changes. Just start eat eating more real foods, cut
out the sugar, flour, oil, which is basically all process
foods are made of, and eat more meat, to eat
animal foods, eggs, like things are healthy even though the
government guidelines say they're not. They are. And I did that.
(02:54):
My whole life change. I had all these problems go away.
I had chronic overuse injuries that I had twenty five pounds
of extra fat that I lost. I had allergies go away,
acid reflex went away. I haven't been sick in so
long since I've done this. And so then at some
point I decided I need to tell the world, And
so I quit my job and quit my second career
(03:18):
in the tech world and started my third career, which
is just all about the nutrition. Just making this film series,
food Lies, doing the podcast, just everything that I do
now is about spreading this message.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah. I love Mark Siston and his writing is amazing,
and I really think like I want to reach out
to him. I keep trying, but I want to reach
out to him and say, can you write, Can you
put out books like Stephen King? Because I think I
need one of your books like every three six months,
because it's just fantastic and just a walth of knowledge. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Now he's a legend and he's living it and he
got it all right like twenty years ago and it's
still proving to be right.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Absolutely. I loved your post late last year from the
doctor's office that was all offering free slushies while you
waited to be seen. To remember that.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Oh yeah, that's just like the medical system, which I
call the sick care system, and a lot of people
do in a nutshell. They're not concerned about fixing your health.
They're just a business. And some people will say they
just don't know better, and maybe it's a little both.
This is how they're trained. All the doctors learned this.
We actually put this in the film. We have a
bunch of doctors saying how little they were training nutrition,
(04:26):
And we did the math and there's ten thousand hours
it takes to be a doctor, just for the four
year medical training, and there's only eleven hours that aren't
focused on nutrition. They did a study and that was
the average eleven hours, So that's zero point one percent.
And so of course they don't know. But I think
it's designed that way. I don't think anyone's trying to
teach them about nutrition. They're actually taught the opposite. They're
(04:48):
taught that nutrition doesn't work, food doesn't matter, it's just calories.
Patients aren't going to follow your advice anyway. Yeah, of
course they're not going to follow your advice. It's terrible
advice that you're telling them nothing. You're telling them to
just move more and eat less. That doesn't mean anything.
That doesn't help anyone. And if they do get more granular,
they're saying eat more grains. They're saying you avoid meat,
(05:10):
avoid saturin fat that we've always eaten. So their advice
is terrible and of course no one will follow it.
Grape wires comment on that post was one of the
best they posted. If something is free, then you are
the product. I learned that. Yeah, actually my tech career,
I realized that, and I'm like, oh, true, Facebook, Okay,
it's free, so all your data is the product.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
In addition to that post, you recently reposted something from
the Telegraph. Do you remember that one? Oh?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, Well they're hilarious. The carbon footprint one. Yeah, they
said that the carbon footprint of homegrown foods is five
times greater than grown conventionally. Oh man, okay, this is insane.
Sometimes I just wonder if people, like, do they not
know that they're overplaying their hands. The propaganda is so crazy,
(06:00):
you're going to lose people because they're going to start
understanding that it's propaganda, you know what I mean. It's like,
this is the most absurd thing ever. People have been
growing food for all of history, and of course the
best way to do it where you don't need to
transport it hundreds of miles or thousands of miles, you
don't need giant machinery to do it. It's very obvious
(06:23):
their agenda, right, Their agenda is to make people rely
on big systems in general, like all big systems, including
big food systems, and I think they're very successful of that.
Right Over the years, it's like everyone is just all right,
what do I do? Now? Tell me what to do?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
What do I eat? The lead in sentence to the
article was very interesting. It's this quote growing your own
food and an allotment may not be as good for
the environment as expected. A study suggests I like the
legalies and interesting part of the lead in was suggests
it's like we can get away with it saying this.
That's the wrong with a lot of nutrition science too,
(07:05):
is that studies can suggest anything, especially when it's just observational.
And this is a whole discussion of epidemiology in general,
where nutrition is really hard to study because there's so
many variables and you can't lock people in the cage
and just make them eat that. You can do it
for short periods.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
They actually do lock people into metablog wards and they
control every calorie and yeah, in small scales we can
learn some stuff from that, but really pretty much all
the nutrition research you've seen out there is from these
large population tests that you cannot like draw conclusions from.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
It's just like the food questionnaire is like what did
you eat in the last year? There's famously they how
many cups of ribs have you eaten in the last year?
How many cups of ribs? Like how do you quantify that?
Or people always try to say that they're more healthy.
They're like, oh, do you eat you know, fruits, and vegetables,
and I eat tons of fruits and vegetables. They've actually
debunked these studies a lot because they take what people
report to eat and then they do the math and
(08:04):
it's like twelve hundred calories a day, Like, all right,
something's not right here.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
There's no way to track that. I mean, it's like
you have to have somebody walking beside you at the
meals with a clipboard to record it all down.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, so that's why I think all of that stuff
it's just kind of more propaganda, like it always ends up.
These studies show what the agenda is of the moment,
and it's always just eat less meat, more grains, more
processed foods. Process foods are fine, and yeah, it's just
status quo.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
What was your journey like while you were becoming a
health coach at Evolve Healthcare? Oh?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Actually that was very interesting. So doctor Garrett is a
friend of mine and I had to change his mind
because he went through the standard medical training and he
was arguing with me. This was so many years ago,
and I finally I got through to him and he
saw the light. It was great, where you have to
do that one person at a time. He's just like,
wait a second, this guy, you know, Brian, with no
(09:03):
nutrition training, knows more than me about nutrition and he
had to accept that as a doctor, and he did.
And now you know, he knows more than me because
he's actually spent a lot of time studying it now, right,
and he's really good. So I actually got to see
patients with him, which was just a learning experience for me. Right,
that's not my main career path, but it actually helped
(09:24):
me to learn what actually happens with people. And you
can't just give them the advice.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I have the podcast Peak Human, and I give away
tons of information, right, but that doesn't mean people are
going to follow it. So I actually learned a lot
about habit changed and there's a lot of different reasons
why people can or can't stay on a diet or
lose weight or all this stuff. And half of it
is having the correct information. But half of it, which
is a lot, right, he is doing it, and it's
(09:53):
having the support around you or like knowing how to
do it so that you enjoy it. You know, like
if it's just I hate the old guyed advice, they're
just telling you to eat like a salad with no
dressing or some terrible loaf fat dressing. Of course it's
not going to work like you're going to be starving.
These foods aren't good, they don't fill you up. So yeah,
(10:15):
I learned about habit change and I learned about how
to make things enjoyable for people, which is one of
my big messages and it's actually a Mark Siston message eats.
Every bite of food should be delicious, Enjoy every bite
of food. You know, we actually filmed with him for
Food Lies and he was giving us these messages is
make sure you enjoy everybody. That's what he lives by.
But he's just figured out what foods are delicious and
(10:38):
are good for you and keep you full. And I
mean these are you know, meats and eggs and fish
and you know, just whole foods.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Like that, real foods. Yeah. At which point in your
timeline did you co found the health education company Sapien?
What is it and why did you name it that?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, Sapian is my ultimate projects. It'll be the next
twenty years of my life is building Sapient because I
want it to be a movement. Really, it's way more
than just a diet or lifestyle. It's going back to human.
And so this was about six years ago when I
started doing food Lise full time, I realized we had
(11:16):
to do something bigger. Like food lies is a part
of it. That's just getting the word out. That's just
a mediative part. But there's other things to do. We
need to have regenerative agriculture. We need to have like
you know, get food to people. We need to get
information to people. We need to have like get doctors
involved and have health technologies. So this is my biggest
mission is to give people the information but also how
(11:38):
to do it in their life and back to humans.
So that's what Sapian means. Well, Safian means smart, right,
it's intelligence. It's like we are Homo Sabians because we
used our brains and then we could get more nutrient
dense food and hunt and you know, get the best
parts of the animal, get the organs, all that type
of stuff. So basically we're trying to navigate this modern
(11:58):
world that's trying to row all these process foods at
us or social media or spend your time just being
a coggnive machine. So really the bigger vision of Sapien
is getting back to human, getting out of that kind
a rat race and live a better life within this framework.
(12:19):
So you can still live in society. Like I said,
it's not like we're going to live in a cave.
But you can live within normal society yet not really
be a part of it that much. Right, That's really
interesting to me. It's like, Okay, well, I can buy
my food from the farmer's market. You can even go
hunting and get food. You can go to your ranch
and get milk, you can get meat straight from the ranch.
(12:40):
You cannot participate in sick care. It's not actually that hard.
Like I just don't get sick anymore, so I don't
need sick care. But if I do need some sort
of thing that I can go to a medical practitioner
that agrees with this and uses food as medicine and
isn't prescribing me a bunch of stuff if something goes wrong.
So that's my big, big mission is get people who
(13:01):
have woken up to be more thoughtful about just who's
around them and their society and their economy. Like we
can have a parallel economy that doesn't use craft foods
or big pharma or big sick care.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I want to go through what I believe if I've
understood them correctly, are your main tenants that are the
basis for your approach to health and well being? The
first one being the consumption of animal foods. Do you
consider this the best foundation for a healthy lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, I think it's what we've always done. And the
new message right now is all plant based and people
can certainly do better by eating whole foods, and I
think it's fine. I don't think there's like a huge
importance on being animal based or like I don't know,
or what are we going to do, like count your
calories and see who the wins. Fifty one percent animal
(13:53):
forty nine percent. Now, it's like it doesn't matter that much.
I think just humans throughout history have been more animal based.
They did have studies. They studyed two hundred and twenty
nine groups of hunter gatherers I think it was about
twenty years ago, and seventy five percent of them were
animal based. They actually did look at the calories and
there was zero vegan cultures and only something like a
(14:16):
few percent single digit percent were less than twenty five
percent animal based, meaning yes, ninety two percent were over
twenty five percent animal based. Right, They were getting animal foods,
and it's just kind of simple nutrition science and human
biology that animal foods are more complete, the protein and
minerals and vitamins are more complete and bioavailable from animal foods.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Well, I think you mentioned earlier ced oils, and that's
one of the ones that you've mentioned on social media
in particular. What are your thoughts on processed foods and
seed oils. Yeah, cedo ools are getting a lot of
tension these days, which is great. I mean, it's what
Mark Sistms started talking about twenty years ago and other
people started before them.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Just vegetable oils. I just had sugarflower oil. That's the
easier way to say. Seed oils, added sugar, refined grains
like these are the three things that make up all
processed foods and what I avoid, And if you get
those mostly out of your diet, you're going to do
way better. It's very very easy. Cet oil specifically, these
are the oils that aren't really natural. Hey, there's some
(15:19):
fruit oils that are pretty natural. Olive oil, right, people
have been eating olive oil for thousands of years. That's
not a seed, that's a fruit. Alves are fruit, coconut,
oil that's a fruit, Avocata oil that's a fruit. These
three oils are fine. They don't take a lot of
chemicals or steps and processes to get the oil out
of them, and they actually they're the fatty acids are
(15:40):
in the correct ratios that humans are used to. The
seed oils have an insane extraction process and they oxidize easily.
They're very high in polyoncentric fatty acids. So this people
may have heard of like omega six, right, Like omega
threes are good, Omega six bad. It's kind of like,
what's going on here is these seed oils have super
high omega six and they oxidize super easily, so if
(16:02):
you heat them up, they get unstable, and they have
these compounds that don't do well in your body. And
also if they just get your tissues, if you have
this high ratio of these oils, just the unnatural ratio
that we've never had before, super high omega six, your
cells actually aren't correct. Let's put it simply like it's
(16:23):
just a cellular structure isn't quite right. We don't know
exactly how this all works yet because it's hard to study,
but we know that humans are eating way way more
of these oils and that they're building up in our
tissues and you can see them, and then we're getting
a lot of metabolic problems. And so the best thing
to do is to just avoid them and eat natural fats.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
What about ruminant animals. We've been led to believe that
cows and those associated with them in any shape or
form are ruining the planet. What are your thoughts there?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, it's another big propagana campaign. Once you started realizing
what the messages are, like, what are the goals, then
you can recognize propaganda more easily. And so for their
processed foods to be good, and for all the systems,
the big systems that run the world to be good,
red beating needs to be bad on a very high level. Right,
for their stuff to be good, red meat needs to
(17:17):
be bad. They need to put the They need to
make you think the enemy is something that it's not.
I mean, the real enemy is very clear. It's just
process foods. It's the sugar, flour, oil. These are overtaking
our diet. But they don't want you to know that.
They are going to blame red meat, and it's been
an agenda, it's been propaganda for decades, and they want
to demonize saturine fat, they want to demonize cholesterol, they
(17:39):
want to tell you red meat causes cancer. So these
are all completely not true. We've always been eating red meat.
This is what we've lived on for all of history.
And then the environmental side is another components to that,
which you alluded to, is that, yeah, it's killing the
planet and there's burps or farts or there's methane. I mean,
there's another thing. This is not sure. There's always been
(18:01):
these these animals on lent, especially the ruined animals. Yes,
there's way more pigs and chickens being raised now and
it's not great. And they're raised in factory you know,
in these big warehouses. Not great at all. I don't
I'm not for that. But ruined animals, which are cows, sheep, bison, goats,
stuff like that. We've had more of these types of
animals roaming the earth for most of history. There is
(18:21):
giant megafaun of roaming the earth eating the grass. There's
herds of millions, tens of millions of bison roaming North
America even recently, and they actually do a good thing
for the planet. They help put manure on the ground
and grow more grass. They just even them eating them.
The grass stimulates and causes growth, and they move around
and they and it actually is very good for the ecosystem.
(18:43):
And the quick story about the methane and the carbon,
and yes, it's not good to completely pollute the atmosphere
with like burning coal, you know what I mean, Like
taking fossil fuels deep from the ground and just burning
it and throwing it up in the air. That can't
be good. But just some methane, this is a different site.
This is above ground harmonious cycle of the cow eats
(19:03):
the grass, it burps up a bit of methane, It
goes up into the atmosphere and it breaks down actually
in ten years, and then it turns into CO two,
and then it comes back and feeds the grass. And
it's just this little harmonious cycle that's always been happening.
They're not adding new carbon into the atmosphere at all.
It's insane to once you realize that this is what's
going on. They're not adding more carbon into the atmosphere.
(19:25):
They're not alchemists, they're not magicians. Cows don't just like
produce carbon out of thin air. That doesn't make any sense.
But what does produce carbon out of thin air pretty
much is taking something deep from the ground, all the
carbon was put down there a long time ago, and
then burning it through factories and jets and big trucks. Right,
(19:46):
that is actually one way street of new carbon. So
if you can remember that little story, you can debunk
all the vegans out there or just the mainstream that
it keeps telling people this.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Well, it's a mind blowing story because we kind of
have been to believe that, oh, yeah, they burp, but
they fart or whatever, and it goes up to the
admissure and it stays there. You just blew that all
away by light. No, it comes back ten years and
it's we're good to go. It's just this constant process.
I recall a post that you made today. We raise
fewer cattle than the nineteen seventies, and we're consuming less beef.
(20:20):
But what has increased is our ill health, which leads
to higher, of course, medical costs. You believe that there's
a connection there, correct.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, So there are figures on our herd size, and
our herd size has been slowly going down because we're
actually getting more efficient at raising cattle, and then our
red meat consumption has been going down over the past
say forty years, kind of since the nineteen eighties when
they started pushing the food pyramid stuff. So people have listened.
Everyone's saying, oh, eat chicken, eat the white meat, it's
(20:50):
healthier than the red meat. And people have done that,
so we can see it. Yes, red meat cocism has
gone down.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Guess what.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
The disease rapidly going up and it actually follows a
seat oil concent Huh, how far it's going up. So
I also again don't agree with eating a bunch of
pork and chicken for a number of reasons. I don't
think it's as nutritious, and also, like I said, does it,
I don't think it's raised very well. You know, you
have these big warehouses with millions of chickens, and so
(21:16):
really I think we do better by going and eating
more red meat healthwise.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Tom. By the way, and doing my research for our
conversation today, I came across a possible projection of beyond
meat filing for bankruptcy before twenty twenty six. I had
it once, Brian, and my body, Let's just say that
once was enough.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It's no good, it's fake. It's there's no way humans
can do better than nature. I'll put out this. In
certain things, okay, in many things, we can do better
than nature. We made airplanes, you know, we made all
kinds of amazing things that are we can get places faster.
(22:00):
But the foundations of being human, which is food, sleep, exercise,
the sun, these are foundational being human. You cannot beat nature.
And I will just put a bet out to the world.
Maybe I'll be wrong one day. I don't know how
I'm going to be wrong, but you cannot do better
than nature. You can't make a pill that you sleep
(22:21):
two hours. But it's like he slept eight hours. I
don't think that will ever happen. It's like you need
that eight hours of sleep. There's something that happens right.
You did rem sleep, you have deep sleep. You have
these different things that have exers that you can't have
a machine that exercises for you. It doesn't work. That's
the whole point. You have to do the exercise or food.
(22:42):
A cow has evolved for millions of years eating grass
and turning that low quality nutrition grass. It's just cellules
and upcycling it through all these gut microbes and their
four stomachs and turning it into their meat and fat
that humans can eat. I interviewed great scientist doctor Stefan
Fleet who's studying this, and they look at they have
over fifty thousand secondary compounds in meat that we don't
(23:06):
even know about yet. There's all these amazing things, and
they can tell that good grass fed, grass finished meat
is better than the feed lot meat. It has way
more of these secondary compounds are different and you can't
replicate that kind of thing in a lab. Right back
to alchemy. That is alchemy as well. If you're saying
that you're going to take a bunch of random things,
(23:27):
you know, all we're going to get some pea protein
and we're weate some of this and that whatever's going
to beyond meat, there is no way that you can
equal real meat because of all of these secondary compounds.
You can't be niser in that, right, I think it
would be alchemy. You can get close, but you'll never
be able to get the real thing. Well, and look
(23:48):
at if you go get even ground beef to butcher,
it says ground beef and then beyond meat, it's like
a laundry list of a lot of lot of big words,
a lot of just oh, it's a nightmare. And they
actually even looked at that in these tests with doctor
Stefan van Vliet and the fifty thousand, and they found
that that's completely different as well, that it's nowhere similar.
(24:09):
It's just why would that be better for you? I
love just doing the simple logic of it too. It's like,
why would a list of thirty ingredients be better for you?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
All Right, I'm taking a poll, Brian, are you four
or against the possibility of inserting pig jeans and the
soybeans and what do you base your argument on?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Go Ah, yeah, that's funny. They have all kinds of
wacky ideas out there, and I get it. It's a
lot of people trying to make money, so of course
I'm against it. It's just people. Everyone wants to make money.
I get it, right, I need to make money. I
want to pay my rent all that. So everyone that
comes up with these new ways is like, Okay, we're
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going to feed the world, and we're going to do
it this way. Usually it's by taking a bunch of
cheap ingredients and then making a high profit margin on them, right,
that's the way make money, right, you have a big
profit margin. So with meat, I actually have a company
called Notes of Tail and we do regenerate agg and
we don't make much money at all. It's actually not
a good business because we have to give most of
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the profit to the farmers and all the different people
that create this meat. Right, so there's no real profit margin.
That if I didn't have any morals and I just
wanted to make money and I didn't care about nutrition,
I would come up with a product like a box
of cereal or you know, trying to insert genes and
make some sort of weird soybean thing that that I
(25:32):
could sell to people that is super cheap, and then
I sell it for a way higher price, right the
box to cereal. The box might cost more than the
cereal probably does. Right, it's three cents, You have cereal
four cents for the box, and you sell it for
five ninety nine. It's a great business plan. Then they
can take all that and do the marketing. Blanket the
(25:54):
world with marketing, right, all the breakfast cereal, all these
process foods, all the marketing. We can do lobbing. Go
to Walk Washington, do all the lobbing. Keep these things
in place. Keep the subsidies for cornwy and soy, and
then they can do the studies too. They can do
their bogus studies. Look at these studies. It's like, oh,
pasta eating wholely pasta is gonna like lower your cholesterol
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sponsored by Burrilla, studies done by Burrilla. Okay, worldwide pasta company,
like I get it. So all of this stuff, it's
really obvious to me that it's just people trying to
make money. That's all it is.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Follow the money, that's the bottom line. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
always curious about this with people that are walking the
walk and talking to talk. What time do you typically
go to bed and wake up. I'm actually not on
the super early train.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I have try to run like four different businesses right now,
but I will get to bed by eleven and be
up by eight. What I do is get my eight hours.
That's most important to me. And a lot of people
they get gadgets and gizmos and they're like, oh, I've
got this ring and I'm doing this, I'm doing this,
and then they're staying up till midnight and they are
(27:04):
alarms going off at six am. You know, it's like
you can do all these things, but you're not even
doing the foundation, which is giving yourself enough sleep. It's like, yes,
if you have to get up to go to work
at a certain time, you have to get get the
eight hours and then you can focus on the quality.
So yeah, I am definitely focused on this is getting
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my aid.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
What does your exercise regimen look like? Run us through
that process? Please? All right?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I love this because I try to be very effective
and make it easy for me and make it efficient.
Maybe that's because I'm an engineer, but I try to
spread this message for people because a lot of people
don't have time, and you don't want to waste your time, right,
the little amount of time you want to spend doing exercise,
do you want to make it valuable? For me? Doing
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cardio sitting on a treadmill doing the steady state cardio
is the worst thing you can do. It's the least
bang for your buck. I don't think it helps many people.
But the problem is that that's what most will think
you have to do. They're just like, oh, I'm gonna
go burn some calories, and I think of food is
just calories, and I think of exercise as just calories
and that's not at all correct. It's not correct, and
(28:11):
I think it's gonna we're going to lose people, right
because then they're going to give up. Like I said
that salo and no dressing the terrible diet or strying
to bail on that diet, sad thing. You can bail
on exercise if you're grinding away. Oh, I got to
spend an hour on the treadmill so that I burned calories. Oh,
I've never thought of about calories when I worked out,
I think about how can I get stronger, how can
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I get more metabolically active? How can I keep my
muscle mass so that as I age, I maintain my
muscle mass, which is basically the best predictor of staying
alive longer or not dying. It is have a maintaining
muscle mass. So how do you do that? I actually
only do these two workouts per week, two twenty five
to thirty minute workouts, so it's less than an hour
(28:55):
per week. Well, then I play beach volleyball for hours
and hours and that's you know, fun and a different
type of exercise. But for the weights, if we want
to talk about the weights or what I would want
to focus on. It would be some sort of strength training,
and you can do it very quickly. And it's basically
just I get in there, do drop sets to failure.
I do compound movements like I'm you know, I'm hanging
(29:16):
a weight and doing pull ups and dips. You know,
I'm just throwing around some dumbbells like squats. Right, you
can just do simple stuff. You just grab some dumbbells
and maybe pull a bar, dip bar. That's all you
really need. I've never actually had a fancy gym. I've
never had ANYHIM membership. I don't do any of that.
Whatever you have at like an apartment complex or a hotel,
I just run in there and do my full workout
(29:36):
and be done in half an hour. So I just
encourage people, not that everyone has to do that, it's
just I encourage you to do the more high intensity
like strength training type stuff like that's the more bang
for your book. That will make your with havels the better.
Your muscles will grow bigger. You're going to burn calories.
If you want to think about calories in your sleep,
You're not just going to burn them by actually burning
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through them. You're going to create bigger muscles and you're
gonna be burning cows in your sleep because of that.
So no hours and hours of jogging, Brian, No, it's
just I don't know. Some people will like it, you know,
you know what I mean. Like some people they're like,
oh I want to clear my head, all right, go
do it. Fine, but also strength train, do something, get
bands if you want, right, like do some resistance bands,
(30:18):
like do something that challenges you, okay, Or even sprinting.
I love to sprint instead of going on a jog
for forty five minutes. What if you just go out
in the same place on the street, around track wherever
you have and then sprint and then walk and then
sprint and then walk. You can do that in half
the time. This is what I do twenty twenty five minutes,
(30:41):
sprint and I walk back. Sprint, walk back. It's just
way better for you. Yeah, And even if you don't
do the deep dive on that, all you have to
do is this summer or anytime, but this summer, especially
when the Olympics comes on. All you have to do
is think is like do I want to look at
like the marathon or do I want to look like bolt.
(31:01):
Now I think I want to look like both. You
know the sprinter, Yeah, yes, all these sprinters.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I mean obviously you don't need to be jacked like them,
but I mean they are looking good.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, that's that's got to be key. You seeing both
is you know, the epitome of strength and health. Yeah,
so let's talk about the documentary you're working on, food Lies.
What inspired you to take on this project? Well?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Three things. My family, right, lost my parents, to my
own health, how easy it was to change my own health.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Three.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I saw one too many vegan films. It was terrible.
So I decided to do this six and a half
years ago. It was a summer six and a half
years ago, and I watched What the Health It was
like the second film of the Conspiracy Guys, and it
was just that, you know, another anal rights activism film, right,
And so they twist all the data, cherry pick, use
(31:51):
fake science, all this stuff to get their agenda cross
which is anal rights And it's fine if you're anaaloids activist,
you can be, but you can't say that it's better
for humans to eat this way, to be vegan. You
can't say it's better for the environment. It's not. It's
absolutely not, and so Food Lies is the ultimate debunking
(32:12):
of all these notions. It's kind of putting to rest
these ideas that we're talking about today. Right, Everything we
talked about is in the film. It's just been six
years making this thing and trying to get it into
one place, right, because no one's going to do all
the research, read all the books, go to the conferences
like I've done so much, thousands and thousands of hours.
My number one goal is to get it into six
(32:34):
episodes that you can watch on Netflix. Hopefully we've got
a Netflix soon enough. And it's all clear, right, It's
all very easy to understand if we can do our jobs,
which we are doing. We're very through painstaking detail of
writing this and making a really exceptional looking thing, right.
We're spending a lot of time and money on getting
(32:56):
the graphics right, and there's a custom soundtrack and all
the best experts around the world to just tell this
story in a compelling way.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Well. And one of the things that I saw along
the way as you're making Food Lies is that you
interviewed a lot of ists in the process. What was
one of the most eye opening conversations you had along
the way.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Oh man, Yeah, hundreds of ists, anthropologists, biologists. Yeah, area
is you can imagine. Yeah, you got to watch the intro.
It looks like you've watched the intro. So that's on
the food Lies YouTube Channel's three and a half minutes
and it explains my little story. And we had made
almost every one of those shots. So it's a really
cool little piece we put together. Man, there's been so
(33:40):
many interviews. That's a good point. I think what people
like the most when I started talking to doctor Bill
Schindler and these anthropologists and scientists that look at our
human history, that really changed the game for me is
they're talking about these actual parts of our human body
that have completed changed because of animal foods, and our
(34:03):
guts changed, Like people don't understand. People are like, oh, well,
why don't you just like eat like a gorilla? Like
these vegans, like they're so strong. Look at these gorillas.
They are completely different digestive system than us. And we've
moved away from that, and our guts have gotten smaller
and brains have gotten bigger, our stomachs are way more acid. Okay,
here's a good example. This is the one I was
(34:23):
thinking of like the kind of mind blowing one chimps.
All of our primate ancestors, their stomach peach is like
six around six right six seven, that's like very in
the middle of the peach scale, and that's you know,
can digest a lot of plants and fruit. Humans we're
at one point eight. We were down with these scavengers,
(34:43):
like a hyena of vultures, like these are scavenging animals
that eat rotting harcasses, and that's what humans are. This
is what we were doing. Our entire biology changed from
doing this. And so I was on the phone with
this like kind of plant based lady and she's like what,
(35:04):
I didn't know this, you know. And it's like, oh,
this makes more sense. And she was like, oh, you
need to eat like an alkaline diet, like meat is acidic,
Like okay, your stomach is a oldrin of hydrochloric acid.
It's a you can put anything in it and it's
just gonna melt. It does not matter. Like what peat
(35:26):
your water there is. I think that's another scam too.
Then they have like sort of like I don't know,
super expensive like alkaline water or something. So yeah, once
you kind of understand how human biology is just set
up to eat animal foods. It changes your perspective on everything.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Well, isn't the stomach kind of like you know if
you if you're scuba diving, you you don't I'm not
a scuba diver, but you go up at a certain
time so you don't get the bend the stomach like, okay,
I'll get it ready when it's ready.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Kind of yea, yeah, Like, well, you have the enzymes
that are needed, and you have bio acids that are
put out, but yeah, your stomach is highly the cidic
and then if you put food in it, it will
be ready and it'll dissolve it and it does its thing.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
By the way, doctor bil Schendler, I love that man.
He's amazing. Oh yeah, legend. So tell me about your podcast.
How did you come up with the name for that
and what's the main focus? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Peak Human. When I started the movies are the film
six years ago, I just had all these access to
all these amazing experts, so I thought, well, why not
just do a podcast with him as well as a
film interview? And Peak Human? Yeah, I mean really, it's
what is sapien? It's becoming pea human. It's like, how
(36:37):
can we do our best. I also didn't want to
limit it to nutrition, so so far I've been pretty
focused on the health topics. I do regenerative agg you know, nutrition,
general health, fitness stuff. But I can even go beyond that.
That's what I was kind of alluding to earlier, like
what is Safeian It's just how to live like a human,
how to just optimize. It goes beyond just your diet
(37:00):
and lifestyle. It's your social connections, it's all kinds of things.
So that's definitely what I've gotten more and more into
in this world is the deeper you get into this world,
the more you realize how much it matters, the like
really holistic view of your health.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Well, I saw that you posted that you read in
the sun. Where is that locale? Can you tell me
about that process? Oh?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, yeah, Well, well I grew up in Hawaii, so
I could do that there, and I lived in La
I lived in like apartment complex, you know, and you
just go to the pool and every day I would
make this part of my routine is go read during
the midday sun, get at least fifteen to twenty minutes
on each side of my body. Right, just go out there,
(37:42):
lie down, read and it's just stacking things right. You're
getting your RIGHTMD, you're learning, you're relaxing, getting away from work.
So I've really forced myself to do this. You know,
it's not always easy to coming like I'm working on
these sittings. I'm like, no, I got to go outside now.
I live in Austin, so I still get sunned a
lot of the year. And again, just go out there,
(38:02):
force yourself to do it. Not everyone has, you know,
opening schedule like me, I'd say lunch break. You know,
if you can go on your lunch break. I don't
know if you can take your shirt off during your
lunch break if you're a dude, but I think it
would be great if you could and go, you know,
get some of that sun on your body. I think
it's just super important.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, what are you reading now?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
I have too many books. I have stacks and stacks
of books. Let's see Eat Like the Animals. It's called
Five Appetites or Eat Like the Animals. It's a book
by Robin Hibern and Simpson. These are two scientists that
really one of the most ground baking hypotheses and theories
out there called the protein leverage hypothesis. And they studied
(38:41):
all kinds of animals and in every animal from locusts
to mice to up to humans, they found that they
eat to get a certain amount of protein. Okay, so
it's all animals. Each one has their own, you know,
amount that they need, right, but they eat to that amount.
So if they took a group of mice and they
gave them the appropriate amount of protein, and you know,
(39:03):
they have this rodent chow and it's like whatever, it's
like thirteen percent protein, and then it has carbs and
fat whatever, they eat it. They're fine, they're healthy, they're
not overweight, they have asperring, right, and they're great, and
they live the right amount of time. Then they would
get some another type of feet, say it's like eight
percent protein, and so now the ratio of carbs and
fats are more right, it's eight percent protein. Therefore is
(39:25):
more carbs and fats. These mice ate a lot more
of this rodent chow to get the same amount of protein,
and they got fat, they had less kids, and they
lived a shorter life. So this is the most amazing
concept to me because it clearly tells you what's going
on in our food system. It's exactly what happened to
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our food system we used to eat. If you're just
eating whole foods, your protein percentage would be correct, well
what a human would be. It could be over fifteen sixteen,
you could be up to twenty percent protein. You're fine,
and you eat the correct amount. All these processed foods.
They look at people's diets, it's down around like ten
eleven twelve percent protein. So that means you're eating more
(40:08):
carbs and fats. You're having to eat more of this
low quality food to get the same amount of nutrients,
protein being the most important nutrient. So does that make sense?
You just it's a math equation. You're just forced to
eat more because you're not getting what you need from
the food.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Is there a genre of fiction that you gravitate to
orre you just no fiction? It's all nonfiction? Oh man?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Oh yeah, I haven't read much fiction. I did. I
used to read some Graham Handcock books. Do you know
those books? He's just about you know, America Before was
his most recent one.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Like, no, I think you do read fiction. It's all
in those you know those suggested research. Yeah, models and
information that puts on that's the fiction you're reading probably.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
But that's not even fiction. That's more like historical. Well
it's historical. Ah yeah, I don't. I don't read fiction.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
What gets you rived up at the start of each day.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I just love working on different things and that all
go to this common goal of health food and just
changing the course of society, even if it's just for
like a small five to ten percent of people that
want to listen. I just love it. Like I used
to feel like I had a job, and now I don't.
(41:19):
You know, you have the Sunday scaries they call it, right,
it's Monday morning. Now I do not have Sunday scary.
I do not care what day of the week it
is because I am doing something that I find meaningful.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Is there anything that keeps you up at night?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Then trying to make money because there's no profit in
all these healthy things, you know, and I don't want
to just like sell out. So yeah, I'm still trying
to figure out how to make money and in a
way that I believe in.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
And finally, Brian, when it comes to your own health
path and what you've experienced, the trauma that you went
through with your parents and what you've learned, what would
be the one single message that you try to convey
to others.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I'd say, like, question the message from on High. I
don't want to always say it's a government, it's just
on High. I mean, these big institutions, whatever they may be,
don't have your your best interests in mind. This is
what the big lesson I've learned. If you really zoom out,
(42:20):
what's easier to control the masses is not good for
the individual. You know, if they're just making these sweeping
generalizations of like oh, well you need seven to eleven
servings of brain per day. That was the food pyramid, right.
That's good for their budget of their food sound program,
and good for all the crops we had lying around.
(42:41):
You know, it's good for a lot of things. It's
not good for the individual. And so there's most things
that are come from on High. Just question at least
right think about it. It's like, ah, like they're saying,
like the sun's going to kill you. I'm like, well
is it? Because I get appropriate AMoD the son and
help me. I have a higher vitamin D now, right,
(43:03):
So it's like you just just question things like, are
they saying this because they're funded by you know who's
funding the news. It's like, okay, well it's mostly big
pharma and big food. Okay, well maybe their messages aren't
very correct for me.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Brian, thank you so much for gressing us with your
time and knowledge and for coming on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
It was amazing, all right, thank you.
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Dan, Brian, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Absolutely,
let's do it all right. Where did you grow up
and what was your world like back then? Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Man, I was in Hawaii. I was on a Wahoo
is amazing. Really, you know, I grew up pretty naturally.
I grew up barefoot actually, but I grew up in
the eighties and we actually ate the food pyramid diet.
That's kind of how I started. My journey was way
back then. And my parents, you know, they cooked all
(01:17):
their own meals and we kind of just lived what
we thought was a healthy lie. And then it really
caught up to them and myself later on. How does
a mechanical engineer become the person we know now? What
was happening back then and what made you shift your
focus and transform yourself into the Brian we know today? Yeah? Well, yeah,
(01:41):
mechanical engineer was my first career. It was great then
I was in tech, and then around ten years ago
everything changed. I lost both my parents. So they went
along their life. As I said that, they thought they
were healthy, they thought they were doing the right thing.
We weren't eating fast food, we were cooking our own meals.
And then I basically lost both of them when I
(02:01):
was thirty, and that just shook me up. My friends
were actually they found this book, the Primal Blueprint as Marxist,
and he's great.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Is still my sort of idol. Really, he's like seventy
and he's just so healthy and just the man. And
I read his book and I thought, how simple is this?
Or he just laid out this way of eating that's
just Hey, let's look to our past. It's not like
we have to go live in a cave or throw
away all modern conveniences. But all animals do best on
(02:31):
the diet which they evolved on or which they ate
for most of their history. And he was just aren't
doing that anymore. And it's as you can make some
simple changes. Just start eat eating more real foods, cut
out the sugar, flour, oil, which is basically all process
foods are made of, and eat more meat, to eat
animal foods, eggs, like things are healthy even though the
government guidelines say they're not. They are. And I did that.
(02:54):
My whole life change. I had all these problems go away.
I had chronic overuse injuries that I had twenty five pounds
of extra fat that I lost. I had allergies go away,
acid reflex went away. I haven't been sick in so
long since I've done this. And so then at some
point I decided I need to tell the world, And
so I quit my job and quit my second career
(03:18):
in the tech world and started my third career, which
is just all about the nutrition. Just making this film series,
food Lies, doing the podcast, just everything that I do
now is about spreading this message.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah. I love Mark Siston and his writing is amazing,
and I really think like I want to reach out
to him. I keep trying, but I want to reach
out to him and say, can you write, Can you
put out books like Stephen King? Because I think I
need one of your books like every three six months,
because it's just fantastic and just a walth of knowledge. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Now he's a legend and he's living it and he
got it all right like twenty years ago and it's
still proving to be right.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Absolutely. I loved your post late last year from the
doctor's office that was all offering free slushies while you
waited to be seen. To remember that.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Oh yeah, that's just like the medical system, which I
call the sick care system, and a lot of people
do in a nutshell. They're not concerned about fixing your health.
They're just a business. And some people will say they
just don't know better, and maybe it's a little both.
This is how they're trained. All the doctors learned this.
We actually put this in the film. We have a
bunch of doctors saying how little they were training nutrition,
(04:26):
And we did the math and there's ten thousand hours
it takes to be a doctor, just for the four
year medical training, and there's only eleven hours that aren't
focused on nutrition. They did a study and that was
the average eleven hours, So that's zero point one percent.
And so of course they don't know. But I think
it's designed that way. I don't think anyone's trying to
teach them about nutrition. They're actually taught the opposite. They're
(04:48):
taught that nutrition doesn't work, food doesn't matter, it's just calories.
Patients aren't going to follow your advice anyway. Yeah, of
course they're not going to follow your advice. It's terrible
advice that you're telling them nothing. You're telling them to
just move more and eat less. That doesn't mean anything.
That doesn't help anyone. And if they do get more granular,
they're saying eat more grains. They're saying you avoid meat,
(05:10):
avoid saturin fat that we've always eaten. So their advice
is terrible and of course no one will follow it.
Grape wires comment on that post was one of the
best they posted. If something is free, then you are
the product. I learned that. Yeah, actually my tech career,
I realized that, and I'm like, oh, true, Facebook, Okay,
it's free, so all your data is the product.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
In addition to that post, you recently reposted something from
the Telegraph. Do you remember that one? Oh?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, Well they're hilarious. The carbon footprint one. Yeah, they
said that the carbon footprint of homegrown foods is five
times greater than grown conventionally. Oh man, okay, this is insane.
Sometimes I just wonder if people, like, do they not
know that they're overplaying their hands. The propaganda is so crazy,
(06:00):
you're going to lose people because they're going to start
understanding that it's propaganda, you know what I mean. It's like,
this is the most absurd thing ever. People have been
growing food for all of history, and of course the
best way to do it where you don't need to
transport it hundreds of miles or thousands of miles, you
don't need giant machinery to do it. It's very obvious
(06:23):
their agenda, right, Their agenda is to make people rely
on big systems in general, like all big systems, including
big food systems, and I think they're very successful of that.
Right Over the years, it's like everyone is just all right,
what do I do? Now? Tell me what to do?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
What do I eat? The lead in sentence to the
article was very interesting. It's this quote growing your own
food and an allotment may not be as good for
the environment as expected. A study suggests I like the
legalies and interesting part of the lead in was suggests
it's like we can get away with it saying this.
That's the wrong with a lot of nutrition science too,
(07:05):
is that studies can suggest anything, especially when it's just observational.
And this is a whole discussion of epidemiology in general,
where nutrition is really hard to study because there's so
many variables and you can't lock people in the cage
and just make them eat that. You can do it
for short periods.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
They actually do lock people into metablog wards and they
control every calorie and yeah, in small scales we can
learn some stuff from that, but really pretty much all
the nutrition research you've seen out there is from these
large population tests that you cannot like draw conclusions from.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
It's just like the food questionnaire is like what did
you eat in the last year? There's famously they how
many cups of ribs have you eaten in the last year?
How many cups of ribs? Like how do you quantify that?
Or people always try to say that they're more healthy.
They're like, oh, do you eat you know, fruits, and vegetables,
and I eat tons of fruits and vegetables. They've actually
debunked these studies a lot because they take what people
report to eat and then they do the math and
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it's like twelve hundred calories a day, Like, all right,
something's not right here.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
There's no way to track that. I mean, it's like
you have to have somebody walking beside you at the
meals with a clipboard to record it all down.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, so that's why I think all of that stuff
it's just kind of more propaganda, like it always ends up.
These studies show what the agenda is of the moment,
and it's always just eat less meat, more grains, more
processed foods. Process foods are fine, and yeah, it's just
status quo.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
What was your journey like while you were becoming a
health coach at Evolve Healthcare? Oh?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Actually that was very interesting. So doctor Garrett is a
friend of mine and I had to change his mind
because he went through the standard medical training and he
was arguing with me. This was so many years ago,
and I finally I got through to him and he
saw the light. It was great, where you have to
do that one person at a time. He's just like,
wait a second, this guy, you know, Brian, with no
(09:03):
nutrition training, knows more than me about nutrition and he
had to accept that as a doctor, and he did.
And now you know, he knows more than me because
he's actually spent a lot of time studying it now, right,
and he's really good. So I actually got to see
patients with him, which was just a learning experience for me. Right,
that's not my main career path, but it actually helped
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me to learn what actually happens with people. And you
can't just give them the advice.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I have the podcast Peak Human, and I give away
tons of information, right, but that doesn't mean people are
going to follow it. So I actually learned a lot
about habit changed and there's a lot of different reasons
why people can or can't stay on a diet or
lose weight or all this stuff. And half of it
is having the correct information. But half of it, which
is a lot, right, he is doing it, and it's
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having the support around you or like knowing how to
do it so that you enjoy it. You know, like
if it's just I hate the old guyed advice, they're
just telling you to eat like a salad with no
dressing or some terrible loaf fat dressing. Of course it's
not going to work like you're going to be starving.
These foods aren't good, they don't fill you up. So yeah,
(10:15):
I learned about habit change and I learned about how
to make things enjoyable for people, which is one of
my big messages and it's actually a Mark Siston message eats.
Every bite of food should be delicious, Enjoy every bite
of food. You know, we actually filmed with him for
Food Lies and he was giving us these messages is
make sure you enjoy everybody. That's what he lives by.
But he's just figured out what foods are delicious and
(10:38):
are good for you and keep you full. And I
mean these are you know, meats and eggs and fish
and you know, just whole foods.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Like that, real foods. Yeah. At which point in your
timeline did you co found the health education company Sapien?
What is it and why did you name it that?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, Sapian is my ultimate projects. It'll be the next
twenty years of my life is building Sapient because I
want it to be a movement. Really, it's way more
than just a diet or lifestyle. It's going back to human.
And so this was about six years ago when I
started doing food Lise full time, I realized we had
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to do something bigger. Like food lies is a part
of it. That's just getting the word out. That's just
a mediative part. But there's other things to do. We
need to have regenerative agriculture. We need to have like
you know, get food to people. We need to get
information to people. We need to have like get doctors
involved and have health technologies. So this is my biggest
mission is to give people the information but also how
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to do it in their life and back to humans.
So that's what Sapian means. Well, Safian means smart, right,
it's intelligence. It's like we are Homo Sabians because we
used our brains and then we could get more nutrient
dense food and hunt and you know, get the best
parts of the animal, get the organs, all that type
of stuff. So basically we're trying to navigate this modern
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world that's trying to row all these process foods at
us or social media or spend your time just being
a coggnive machine. So really the bigger vision of Sapien
is getting back to human, getting out of that kind
a rat race and live a better life within this framework.
(12:19):
So you can still live in society. Like I said,
it's not like we're going to live in a cave.
But you can live within normal society yet not really
be a part of it that much. Right, That's really
interesting to me. It's like, Okay, well, I can buy
my food from the farmer's market. You can even go
hunting and get food. You can go to your ranch
and get milk, you can get meat straight from the ranch.
(12:40):
You cannot participate in sick care. It's not actually that hard.
Like I just don't get sick anymore, so I don't
need sick care. But if I do need some sort
of thing that I can go to a medical practitioner
that agrees with this and uses food as medicine and
isn't prescribing me a bunch of stuff if something goes wrong.
So that's my big, big mission is get people who
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have woken up to be more thoughtful about just who's
around them and their society and their economy. Like we
can have a parallel economy that doesn't use craft foods
or big pharma or big sick care.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I want to go through what I believe if I've
understood them correctly, are your main tenants that are the
basis for your approach to health and well being? The
first one being the consumption of animal foods. Do you
consider this the best foundation for a healthy lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, I think it's what we've always done. And the
new message right now is all plant based and people
can certainly do better by eating whole foods, and I
think it's fine. I don't think there's like a huge
importance on being animal based or like I don't know,
or what are we going to do, like count your
calories and see who the wins. Fifty one percent animal
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forty nine percent. Now, it's like it doesn't matter that much.
I think just humans throughout history have been more animal based.
They did have studies. They studyed two hundred and twenty
nine groups of hunter gatherers I think it was about
twenty years ago, and seventy five percent of them were
animal based. They actually did look at the calories and
there was zero vegan cultures and only something like a
(14:16):
few percent single digit percent were less than twenty five
percent animal based, meaning yes, ninety two percent were over
twenty five percent animal based. Right, They were getting animal foods,
and it's just kind of simple nutrition science and human
biology that animal foods are more complete, the protein and
minerals and vitamins are more complete and bioavailable from animal foods.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Well, I think you mentioned earlier ced oils, and that's
one of the ones that you've mentioned on social media
in particular. What are your thoughts on processed foods and
seed oils. Yeah, cedo ools are getting a lot of
tension these days, which is great. I mean, it's what
Mark Sistms started talking about twenty years ago and other
people started before them.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Just vegetable oils. I just had sugarflower oil. That's the
easier way to say. Seed oils, added sugar, refined grains
like these are the three things that make up all
processed foods and what I avoid, And if you get
those mostly out of your diet, you're going to do
way better. It's very very easy. Cet oil specifically, these
are the oils that aren't really natural. Hey, there's some
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fruit oils that are pretty natural. Olive oil, right, people
have been eating olive oil for thousands of years. That's
not a seed, that's a fruit. Alves are fruit, coconut,
oil that's a fruit, Avocata oil that's a fruit. These
three oils are fine. They don't take a lot of
chemicals or steps and processes to get the oil out
of them, and they actually they're the fatty acids are
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in the correct ratios that humans are used to. The
seed oils have an insane extraction process and they oxidize easily.
They're very high in polyoncentric fatty acids. So this people
may have heard of like omega six, right, Like omega
threes are good, Omega six bad. It's kind of like,
what's going on here is these seed oils have super
high omega six and they oxidize super easily, so if
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you heat them up, they get unstable, and they have
these compounds that don't do well in your body. And
also if they just get your tissues, if you have
this high ratio of these oils, just the unnatural ratio
that we've never had before, super high omega six, your
cells actually aren't correct. Let's put it simply like it's
(16:23):
just a cellular structure isn't quite right. We don't know
exactly how this all works yet because it's hard to study,
but we know that humans are eating way way more
of these oils and that they're building up in our
tissues and you can see them, and then we're getting
a lot of metabolic problems. And so the best thing
to do is to just avoid them and eat natural fats.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
What about ruminant animals. We've been led to believe that
cows and those associated with them in any shape or
form are ruining the planet. What are your thoughts there?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, it's another big propagana campaign. Once you started realizing
what the messages are, like, what are the goals, then
you can recognize propaganda more easily. And so for their
processed foods to be good, and for all the systems,
the big systems that run the world to be good,
red beating needs to be bad on a very high level. Right,
for their stuff to be good, red meat needs to
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be bad. They need to put the They need to
make you think the enemy is something that it's not.
I mean, the real enemy is very clear. It's just
process foods. It's the sugar, flour, oil. These are overtaking
our diet. But they don't want you to know that.
They are going to blame red meat, and it's been
an agenda, it's been propaganda for decades, and they want
to demonize saturine fat, they want to demonize cholesterol, they
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want to tell you red meat causes cancer. So these
are all completely not true. We've always been eating red meat.
This is what we've lived on for all of history.
And then the environmental side is another components to that,
which you alluded to, is that, yeah, it's killing the
planet and there's burps or farts or there's methane. I mean,
there's another thing. This is not sure. There's always been
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these these animals on lent, especially the ruined animals. Yes,
there's way more pigs and chickens being raised now and
it's not great. And they're raised in factory you know,
in these big warehouses. Not great at all. I don't
I'm not for that. But ruined animals, which are cows, sheep, bison, goats,
stuff like that. We've had more of these types of
animals roaming the earth for most of history. There is
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giant megafaun of roaming the earth eating the grass. There's
herds of millions, tens of millions of bison roaming North
America even recently, and they actually do a good thing
for the planet. They help put manure on the ground
and grow more grass. They just even them eating them.
The grass stimulates and causes growth, and they move around
and they and it actually is very good for the ecosystem.
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And the quick story about the methane and the carbon,
and yes, it's not good to completely pollute the atmosphere
with like burning coal, you know what I mean, Like
taking fossil fuels deep from the ground and just burning
it and throwing it up in the air. That can't
be good. But just some methane, this is a different site.
This is above ground harmonious cycle of the cow eats
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the grass, it burps up a bit of methane, It
goes up into the atmosphere and it breaks down actually
in ten years, and then it turns into CO two,
and then it comes back and feeds the grass. And
it's just this little harmonious cycle that's always been happening.
They're not adding new carbon into the atmosphere at all.
It's insane to once you realize that this is what's
going on. They're not adding more carbon into the atmosphere.
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They're not alchemists, they're not magicians. Cows don't just like
produce carbon out of thin air. That doesn't make any sense.
But what does produce carbon out of thin air pretty
much is taking something deep from the ground, all the
carbon was put down there a long time ago, and
then burning it through factories and jets and big trucks. Right,
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that is actually one way street of new carbon. So
if you can remember that little story, you can debunk
all the vegans out there or just the mainstream that
it keeps telling people this.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Well, it's a mind blowing story because we kind of
have been to believe that, oh, yeah, they burp, but
they fart or whatever, and it goes up to the
admissure and it stays there. You just blew that all
away by light. No, it comes back ten years and
it's we're good to go. It's just this constant process.
I recall a post that you made today. We raise
fewer cattle than the nineteen seventies, and we're consuming less beef.
(20:20):
But what has increased is our ill health, which leads
to higher, of course, medical costs. You believe that there's
a connection there, correct.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, So there are figures on our herd size, and
our herd size has been slowly going down because we're
actually getting more efficient at raising cattle, and then our
red meat consumption has been going down over the past
say forty years, kind of since the nineteen eighties when
they started pushing the food pyramid stuff. So people have listened.
Everyone's saying, oh, eat chicken, eat the white meat, it's
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healthier than the red meat. And people have done that,
so we can see it. Yes, red meat cocism has
gone down.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Guess what.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
The disease rapidly going up and it actually follows a
seat oil concent Huh, how far it's going up. So
I also again don't agree with eating a bunch of
pork and chicken for a number of reasons. I don't
think it's as nutritious, and also, like I said, does it,
I don't think it's raised very well. You know, you
have these big warehouses with millions of chickens, and so
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really I think we do better by going and eating
more red meat healthwise.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Tom. By the way, and doing my research for our
conversation today, I came across a possible projection of beyond
meat filing for bankruptcy before twenty twenty six. I had
it once, Brian, and my body, Let's just say that
once was enough.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It's no good, it's fake. It's there's no way humans
can do better than nature. I'll put out this. In
certain things, okay, in many things, we can do better
than nature. We made airplanes, you know, we made all
kinds of amazing things that are we can get places faster.
(22:00):
But the foundations of being human, which is food, sleep, exercise,
the sun, these are foundational being human. You cannot beat nature.
And I will just put a bet out to the world.
Maybe I'll be wrong one day. I don't know how
I'm going to be wrong, but you cannot do better
than nature. You can't make a pill that you sleep
(22:21):
two hours. But it's like he slept eight hours. I
don't think that will ever happen. It's like you need
that eight hours of sleep. There's something that happens right.
You did rem sleep, you have deep sleep. You have
these different things that have exers that you can't have
a machine that exercises for you. It doesn't work. That's
the whole point. You have to do the exercise or food.
(22:42):
A cow has evolved for millions of years eating grass
and turning that low quality nutrition grass. It's just cellules
and upcycling it through all these gut microbes and their
four stomachs and turning it into their meat and fat
that humans can eat. I interviewed great scientist doctor Stefan
Fleet who's studying this, and they look at they have
over fifty thousand secondary compounds in meat that we don't
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even know about yet. There's all these amazing things, and
they can tell that good grass fed, grass finished meat
is better than the feed lot meat. It has way
more of these secondary compounds are different and you can't
replicate that kind of thing in a lab. Right back
to alchemy. That is alchemy as well. If you're saying
that you're going to take a bunch of random things,
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you know, all we're going to get some pea protein
and we're weate some of this and that whatever's going
to beyond meat, there is no way that you can
equal real meat because of all of these secondary compounds.
You can't be niser in that, right, I think it
would be alchemy. You can get close, but you'll never
be able to get the real thing. Well, and look
(23:48):
at if you go get even ground beef to butcher,
it says ground beef and then beyond meat, it's like
a laundry list of a lot of lot of big words,
a lot of just oh, it's a nightmare. And they
actually even looked at that in these tests with doctor
Stefan van Vliet and the fifty thousand, and they found
that that's completely different as well, that it's nowhere similar.
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It's just why would that be better for you? I
love just doing the simple logic of it too. It's like,
why would a list of thirty ingredients be better for you?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
All Right, I'm taking a poll, Brian, are you four
or against the possibility of inserting pig jeans and the
soybeans and what do you base your argument on?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Go Ah, yeah, that's funny. They have all kinds of
wacky ideas out there, and I get it. It's a
lot of people trying to make money, so of course
I'm against it. It's just people. Everyone wants to make money.
I get it, right, I need to make money. I
want to pay my rent all that. So everyone that
comes up with these new ways is like, Okay, we're
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going to feed the world, and we're going to do
it this way. Usually it's by taking a bunch of
cheap ingredients and then making a high profit margin on them, right,
that's the way make money, right, you have a big
profit margin. So with meat, I actually have a company
called Notes of Tail and we do regenerate agg and
we don't make much money at all. It's actually not
a good business because we have to give most of
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the profit to the farmers and all the different people
that create this meat. Right, so there's no real profit margin.
That if I didn't have any morals and I just
wanted to make money and I didn't care about nutrition,
I would come up with a product like a box
of cereal or you know, trying to insert genes and
make some sort of weird soybean thing that that I
(25:32):
could sell to people that is super cheap, and then
I sell it for a way higher price, right the
box to cereal. The box might cost more than the
cereal probably does. Right, it's three cents, You have cereal
four cents for the box, and you sell it for
five ninety nine. It's a great business plan. Then they
can take all that and do the marketing. Blanket the
(25:54):
world with marketing, right, all the breakfast cereal, all these
process foods, all the marketing. We can do lobbing. Go
to Walk Washington, do all the lobbing. Keep these things
in place. Keep the subsidies for cornwy and soy, and
then they can do the studies too. They can do
their bogus studies. Look at these studies. It's like, oh,
pasta eating wholely pasta is gonna like lower your cholesterol
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sponsored by Burrilla, studies done by Burrilla. Okay, worldwide pasta company,
like I get it. So all of this stuff, it's
really obvious to me that it's just people trying to
make money. That's all it is.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Follow the money, that's the bottom line. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
always curious about this with people that are walking the
walk and talking to talk. What time do you typically
go to bed and wake up. I'm actually not on
the super early train.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I have try to run like four different businesses right now,
but I will get to bed by eleven and be
up by eight. What I do is get my eight hours.
That's most important to me. And a lot of people
they get gadgets and gizmos and they're like, oh, I've
got this ring and I'm doing this, I'm doing this,
and then they're staying up till midnight and they are
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alarms going off at six am. You know, it's like
you can do all these things, but you're not even
doing the foundation, which is giving yourself enough sleep. It's like, yes,
if you have to get up to go to work
at a certain time, you have to get get the
eight hours and then you can focus on the quality.
So yeah, I am definitely focused on this is getting
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my aid.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
What does your exercise regimen look like? Run us through
that process? Please? All right?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I love this because I try to be very effective
and make it easy for me and make it efficient.
Maybe that's because I'm an engineer, but I try to
spread this message for people because a lot of people
don't have time, and you don't want to waste your time, right,
the little amount of time you want to spend doing exercise,
do you want to make it valuable? For me? Doing
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cardio sitting on a treadmill doing the steady state cardio
is the worst thing you can do. It's the least
bang for your buck. I don't think it helps many people.
But the problem is that that's what most will think
you have to do. They're just like, oh, I'm gonna
go burn some calories, and I think of food is
just calories, and I think of exercise as just calories
and that's not at all correct. It's not correct, and
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I think it's gonna we're going to lose people, right
because then they're going to give up. Like I said
that salo and no dressing the terrible diet or strying
to bail on that diet, sad thing. You can bail
on exercise if you're grinding away. Oh, I got to
spend an hour on the treadmill so that I burned calories. Oh,
I've never thought of about calories when I worked out,
I think about how can I get stronger, how can
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I get more metabolically active? How can I keep my
muscle mass so that as I age, I maintain my
muscle mass, which is basically the best predictor of staying
alive longer or not dying. It is have a maintaining
muscle mass. So how do you do that? I actually
only do these two workouts per week, two twenty five
to thirty minute workouts, so it's less than an hour
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per week. Well, then I play beach volleyball for hours
and hours and that's you know, fun and a different
type of exercise. But for the weights, if we want
to talk about the weights or what I would want
to focus on. It would be some sort of strength training,
and you can do it very quickly. And it's basically
just I get in there, do drop sets to failure.
I do compound movements like I'm you know, I'm hanging
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a weight and doing pull ups and dips. You know,
I'm just throwing around some dumbbells like squats. Right, you
can just do simple stuff. You just grab some dumbbells
and maybe pull a bar, dip bar. That's all you
really need. I've never actually had a fancy gym. I've
never had ANYHIM membership. I don't do any of that.
Whatever you have at like an apartment complex or a hotel,
I just run in there and do my full workout
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and be done in half an hour. So I just
encourage people, not that everyone has to do that, it's
just I encourage you to do the more high intensity
like strength training type stuff like that's the more bang
for your book. That will make your with havels the better.
Your muscles will grow bigger. You're going to burn calories.
If you want to think about calories in your sleep,
You're not just going to burn them by actually burning
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through them. You're going to create bigger muscles and you're
gonna be burning cows in your sleep because of that.
So no hours and hours of jogging, Brian, No, it's
just I don't know. Some people will like it, you know,
you know what I mean. Like some people they're like,
oh I want to clear my head, all right, go
do it. Fine, but also strength train, do something, get
bands if you want, right, like do some resistance bands,
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like do something that challenges you, okay, Or even sprinting.
I love to sprint instead of going on a jog
for forty five minutes. What if you just go out
in the same place on the street, around track wherever
you have and then sprint and then walk and then
sprint and then walk. You can do that in half
the time. This is what I do twenty twenty five minutes,
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sprint and I walk back. Sprint, walk back. It's just
way better for you. Yeah, And even if you don't
do the deep dive on that, all you have to
do is this summer or anytime, but this summer, especially
when the Olympics comes on. All you have to do
is think is like do I want to look at
like the marathon or do I want to look like bolt.
(31:01):
Now I think I want to look like both. You
know the sprinter, Yeah, yes, all these sprinters.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I mean obviously you don't need to be jacked like them,
but I mean they are looking good.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, that's that's got to be key. You seeing both
is you know, the epitome of strength and health. Yeah,
so let's talk about the documentary you're working on, food Lies.
What inspired you to take on this project? Well?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Three things. My family, right, lost my parents, to my
own health, how easy it was to change my own health.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Three.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I saw one too many vegan films. It was terrible.
So I decided to do this six and a half
years ago. It was a summer six and a half
years ago, and I watched What the Health It was
like the second film of the Conspiracy Guys, and it
was just that, you know, another anal rights activism film, right,
And so they twist all the data, cherry pick, use
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fake science, all this stuff to get their agenda cross
which is anal rights And it's fine if you're anaaloids activist,
you can be, but you can't say that it's better
for humans to eat this way, to be vegan. You
can't say it's better for the environment. It's not. It's
absolutely not, and so Food Lies is the ultimate debunking
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of all these notions. It's kind of putting to rest
these ideas that we're talking about today. Right, Everything we
talked about is in the film. It's just been six
years making this thing and trying to get it into
one place, right, because no one's going to do all
the research, read all the books, go to the conferences
like I've done so much, thousands and thousands of hours.
My number one goal is to get it into six
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episodes that you can watch on Netflix. Hopefully we've got
a Netflix soon enough. And it's all clear, right, It's
all very easy to understand if we can do our jobs,
which we are doing. We're very through painstaking detail of
writing this and making a really exceptional looking thing, right.
We're spending a lot of time and money on getting
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the graphics right, and there's a custom soundtrack and all
the best experts around the world to just tell this
story in a compelling way.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Well. And one of the things that I saw along
the way as you're making Food Lies is that you
interviewed a lot of ists in the process. What was
one of the most eye opening conversations you had along
the way.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Oh man, Yeah, hundreds of ists, anthropologists, biologists. Yeah, area
is you can imagine. Yeah, you got to watch the intro.
It looks like you've watched the intro. So that's on
the food Lies YouTube Channel's three and a half minutes
and it explains my little story. And we had made
almost every one of those shots. So it's a really
cool little piece we put together. Man, there's been so
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many interviews. That's a good point. I think what people
like the most when I started talking to doctor Bill
Schindler and these anthropologists and scientists that look at our
human history, that really changed the game for me is
they're talking about these actual parts of our human body
that have completed changed because of animal foods, and our
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guts changed, Like people don't understand. People are like, oh, well,
why don't you just like eat like a gorilla? Like
these vegans, like they're so strong. Look at these gorillas.
They are completely different digestive system than us. And we've
moved away from that, and our guts have gotten smaller
and brains have gotten bigger, our stomachs are way more acid. Okay,
here's a good example. This is the one I was
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thinking of like the kind of mind blowing one chimps.
All of our primate ancestors, their stomach peach is like
six around six right six seven, that's like very in
the middle of the peach scale, and that's you know,
can digest a lot of plants and fruit. Humans we're
at one point eight. We were down with these scavengers,
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like a hyena of vultures, like these are scavenging animals
that eat rotting harcasses, and that's what humans are. This
is what we were doing. Our entire biology changed from
doing this. And so I was on the phone with
this like kind of plant based lady and she's like what,
(35:04):
I didn't know this, you know. And it's like, oh,
this makes more sense. And she was like, oh, you
need to eat like an alkaline diet, like meat is acidic,
Like okay, your stomach is a oldrin of hydrochloric acid.
It's a you can put anything in it and it's
just gonna melt. It does not matter. Like what peat
(35:26):
your water there is. I think that's another scam too.
Then they have like sort of like I don't know,
super expensive like alkaline water or something. So yeah, once
you kind of understand how human biology is just set
up to eat animal foods. It changes your perspective on everything.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Well, isn't the stomach kind of like you know if
you if you're scuba diving, you you don't I'm not
a scuba diver, but you go up at a certain
time so you don't get the bend the stomach like, okay,
I'll get it ready when it's ready.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Kind of yea, yeah, Like, well, you have the enzymes
that are needed, and you have bio acids that are
put out, but yeah, your stomach is highly the cidic
and then if you put food in it, it will
be ready and it'll dissolve it and it does its thing.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
By the way, doctor bil Schendler, I love that man.
He's amazing. Oh yeah, legend. So tell me about your podcast.
How did you come up with the name for that
and what's the main focus? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Peak Human. When I started the movies are the film
six years ago, I just had all these access to
all these amazing experts, so I thought, well, why not
just do a podcast with him as well as a
film interview? And Peak Human? Yeah, I mean really, it's
what is sapien? It's becoming pea human. It's like, how
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can we do our best. I also didn't want to
limit it to nutrition, so so far I've been pretty
focused on the health topics. I do regenerative agg you know, nutrition,
general health, fitness stuff. But I can even go beyond that.
That's what I was kind of alluding to earlier, like
what is Safeian It's just how to live like a human,
how to just optimize. It goes beyond just your diet
(37:00):
and lifestyle. It's your social connections, it's all kinds of things.
So that's definitely what I've gotten more and more into
in this world is the deeper you get into this world,
the more you realize how much it matters, the like
really holistic view of your health.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Well, I saw that you posted that you read in
the sun. Where is that locale? Can you tell me
about that process? Oh?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, yeah, Well, well I grew up in Hawaii, so
I could do that there, and I lived in La
I lived in like apartment complex, you know, and you
just go to the pool and every day I would
make this part of my routine is go read during
the midday sun, get at least fifteen to twenty minutes
on each side of my body. Right, just go out there,
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lie down, read and it's just stacking things right. You're
getting your RIGHTMD, you're learning, you're relaxing, getting away from work.
So I've really forced myself to do this. You know,
it's not always easy to coming like I'm working on
these sittings. I'm like, no, I got to go outside now.
I live in Austin, so I still get sunned a
lot of the year. And again, just go out there,
(38:02):
force yourself to do it. Not everyone has, you know,
opening schedule like me, I'd say lunch break. You know,
if you can go on your lunch break. I don't
know if you can take your shirt off during your
lunch break if you're a dude, but I think it
would be great if you could and go, you know,
get some of that sun on your body. I think
it's just super important.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, what are you reading now?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
I have too many books. I have stacks and stacks
of books. Let's see Eat Like the Animals. It's called
Five Appetites or Eat Like the Animals. It's a book
by Robin Hibern and Simpson. These are two scientists that
really one of the most ground baking hypotheses and theories
out there called the protein leverage hypothesis. And they studied
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all kinds of animals and in every animal from locusts
to mice to up to humans, they found that they
eat to get a certain amount of protein. Okay, so
it's all animals. Each one has their own, you know,
amount that they need, right, but they eat to that amount.
So if they took a group of mice and they
gave them the appropriate amount of protein, and you know,
(39:03):
they have this rodent chow and it's like whatever, it's
like thirteen percent protein, and then it has carbs and
fat whatever, they eat it. They're fine, they're healthy, they're
not overweight, they have asperring, right, and they're great, and
they live the right amount of time. Then they would
get some another type of feet, say it's like eight
percent protein, and so now the ratio of carbs and
fats are more right, it's eight percent protein. Therefore is
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more carbs and fats. These mice ate a lot more
of this rodent chow to get the same amount of protein,
and they got fat, they had less kids, and they
lived a shorter life. So this is the most amazing
concept to me because it clearly tells you what's going
on in our food system. It's exactly what happened to
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our food system we used to eat. If you're just
eating whole foods, your protein percentage would be correct, well
what a human would be. It could be over fifteen sixteen,
you could be up to twenty percent protein. You're fine,
and you eat the correct amount. All these processed foods.
They look at people's diets, it's down around like ten
eleven twelve percent protein. So that means you're eating more
(40:08):
carbs and fats. You're having to eat more of this
low quality food to get the same amount of nutrients,
protein being the most important nutrient. So does that make sense?
You just it's a math equation. You're just forced to
eat more because you're not getting what you need from
the food.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Is there a genre of fiction that you gravitate to
orre you just no fiction? It's all nonfiction? Oh man?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Oh yeah, I haven't read much fiction. I did. I
used to read some Graham Handcock books. Do you know
those books? He's just about you know, America Before was
his most recent one.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Like, no, I think you do read fiction. It's all
in those you know those suggested research. Yeah, models and
information that puts on that's the fiction you're reading probably.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
But that's not even fiction. That's more like historical. Well
it's historical. Ah yeah, I don't. I don't read fiction.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
What gets you rived up at the start of each day.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I just love working on different things and that all
go to this common goal of health food and just
changing the course of society, even if it's just for
like a small five to ten percent of people that
want to listen. I just love it. Like I used
to feel like I had a job, and now I don't.
(41:19):
You know, you have the Sunday scaries they call it, right,
it's Monday morning. Now I do not have Sunday scary.
I do not care what day of the week it
is because I am doing something that I find meaningful.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Is there anything that keeps you up at night?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Then trying to make money because there's no profit in
all these healthy things, you know, and I don't want
to just like sell out. So yeah, I'm still trying
to figure out how to make money and in a
way that I believe in.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
And finally, Brian, when it comes to your own health
path and what you've experienced, the trauma that you went
through with your parents and what you've learned, what would
be the one single message that you try to convey
to others.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I'd say, like, question the message from on High. I
don't want to always say it's a government, it's just
on High. I mean, these big institutions, whatever they may be,
don't have your your best interests in mind. This is
what the big lesson I've learned. If you really zoom out,
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what's easier to control the masses is not good for
the individual. You know, if they're just making these sweeping
generalizations of like oh, well you need seven to eleven
servings of brain per day. That was the food pyramid, right.
That's good for their budget of their food sound program,
and good for all the crops we had lying around.
(42:41):
You know, it's good for a lot of things. It's
not good for the individual. And so there's most things
that are come from on High. Just question at least
right think about it. It's like, ah, like they're saying,
like the sun's going to kill you. I'm like, well
is it? Because I get appropriate AMoD the son and
help me. I have a higher vitamin D now, right,
(43:03):
So it's like you just just question things like, are
they saying this because they're funded by you know who's
funding the news. It's like, okay, well it's mostly big
pharma and big food. Okay, well maybe their messages aren't
very correct for me.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Brian, thank you so much for gressing us with your
time and knowledge and for coming on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
It was amazing, all right, thank you.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
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