August 22, 2024 • 45 mins
---------- Originally Aired on the Good Foods Podcast ----------
I first read Dr. Crozier's first book years ago and you'll hear me mention the opening line of the book on this episode. I had never heard of someone contemplating such drastic action to try to alleviate their pain and suffering.
Luckily, Dr. Crozier didn't go that route, and we have his wisdom, expertise, and practice in Florida to be grateful for even considering such an operation. Dr. Crozier is truly someone that took all that pain and fear and transformed it into the next phase of his amazing life.
Dr. Crozier takes integrative medicine a step farther by using genetic testing to develop a unique treatment plan for every one of his patients. Genetic testing allows Dr. Crozier to get to the root of illness and disease by examining his patients on a cellular level. Instead of using a cookie cutter approach to treatment, he allows your genes to tell him exactly what your body needs to heal.
Dr. Crozier then uses that information to recommend a combination of IV therapies, supplements, nutrition, and other natural therapies. Dr. Crozier has successfully treated a wide array of conditions and diseases, including chronic fatigue, tick-borne disease, parasitic infection, and mold (and other) toxicity.
He has also been enormously successful in reducing the symptoms of autism and ADD/ADHD in children. His underlying philosophy is to “optimize the body”. In his spare time, Dr. Crozier joins his wife Michelle as an active member in his local church and as a compassionate caregiver and volunteer in his community.
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The Good Foods podcast was created and hosted by Shardan Sandoval in March of 2023 and was active until September of 2024.
I first read Dr. Crozier's first book years ago and you'll hear me mention the opening line of the book on this episode. I had never heard of someone contemplating such drastic action to try to alleviate their pain and suffering.
Luckily, Dr. Crozier didn't go that route, and we have his wisdom, expertise, and practice in Florida to be grateful for even considering such an operation. Dr. Crozier is truly someone that took all that pain and fear and transformed it into the next phase of his amazing life.
Dr. Crozier takes integrative medicine a step farther by using genetic testing to develop a unique treatment plan for every one of his patients. Genetic testing allows Dr. Crozier to get to the root of illness and disease by examining his patients on a cellular level. Instead of using a cookie cutter approach to treatment, he allows your genes to tell him exactly what your body needs to heal.
Dr. Crozier then uses that information to recommend a combination of IV therapies, supplements, nutrition, and other natural therapies. Dr. Crozier has successfully treated a wide array of conditions and diseases, including chronic fatigue, tick-borne disease, parasitic infection, and mold (and other) toxicity.
He has also been enormously successful in reducing the symptoms of autism and ADD/ADHD in children. His underlying philosophy is to “optimize the body”. In his spare time, Dr. Crozier joins his wife Michelle as an active member in his local church and as a compassionate caregiver and volunteer in his community.
IG ➡️ @drgordoncrozier
Website ➡️ https://crozierclinic.com/
FB ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/DrCrozier
YT ➡️https://rb.gy/e8j60u
The Good Foods podcast was created and hosted by Shardan Sandoval in March of 2023 and was active until September of 2024.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I'm doctor Gordon Krozer, best selling author of Heal Yourselves,
Save Your Life, Healing One Cell at a Time and
Ticked Off, founder of the Krozer Clinic in Orlando, Florida.
And this is the Good Foods Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
All of us are on a journey towards better health,
and we're grateful that you've allowed us to join you
on your quest in this episode.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's hard now with insurance because insurance only gives you
a very short period of time to see patience. I
remember when I was at the university, we were allowed
fifteen minutes for a gynecological exam to listen to them
and do their whole gytecological exam.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
This is the Good Foods Podcast. And now here's your host, show.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Dan, doctor Krozer, thank you so much for being my
guest on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Thank you, it's great to be here. This is an
exciting time and this is a great podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Thank you for saying that, sir. You know I have
never opened up a book to a sentence like this.
There was only one answer self amputation bilatterly of my legs.
But this wasn't the start of that part of your story.
Please take us to the beginning.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
So my story was that actually, when I was much younger,
I was sick. I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease. And
during that time, I was in the hospital and they
were going to remove a large section of my bow
because of extensive Crone's disease. And I said, this isn't
a way to health and healing. I walked out of
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the hospital, snuck out of the hospital. Because I was
under age, when it was only fifteen, I snuck out
of the hospital. I called my grandmother and I said,
can you take me home? I was discharged from the hospital.
Kind of told a little story right there, and I
was going to figure out how to get well. So
I actually went on a fast for a little bit
of time, and then I just slowly started adding in
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foods that I could tolerate and I knew were good
for me, And we're actually helping me to feel better
and really heal.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Up.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I got because really a lot of our gut issues
are the foods that we eat later on in life.
After finishing residency, and I was working very hard. I
was in charge of residence and medical students and all this,
and I was in and out, I started getting sick
all over again, but this time it was a little different.
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It was vertigo and unbelievable pain from my waist down
but especially in my legs and my lower legs, and
I could hardly stand the pain. Finally, one day I
started passing out in surgery. Was put on medical disability
because you can't have a surgeon passing out during surgery
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now really, so you know, I just really didn't know
what to do. But my legs were in so much
pain that I really was going to put them in
ice and I was going to cut them off because
I could not stand the pain any longer. And that's
kind of where my quest for a deeper health and
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understanding cellular biology, even though we are taught some cell
biology in medical school, really understanding the intricacies of how
the cells communicate one with another and what happens with
the mitochondria of this cell in interpreting the nucleus of
this cell. So that's put me on a quest, and
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I was going to figure it out.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I think I remember a line from your book, and
I'm going to paraphrase, but I think you said I
became one of you. You were being ping ponged from
specialists to specialists, and all they had was more bills
but no real answers for you correct.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So I went to infectious disease because I thought I
had some type of infection. Then I went to a neurologist.
From there, I went to a neurosurgeon. From there, I
went to an immunologist. I went to all these different
doctors that did a ton of different labs. I started
out first with a family practice doctor who then sent
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me to an internal medicine doctor, who sent me to
another internal medicine doctor. So I was bounced around form
physician a physician, and I worked at a university. I
was clinical faculty at a university. I knew a lot
of these doctors, but I kept getting bounced around and
it was very disheartening. Finally, they just said, well, we're
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going to send you to psite because it must be
in your head. Well it wasn't in my head. I
knew what was in my body, and I had to
figure it out. I was the one I had was
going to have to figure it out.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
What was that like? Was there any any outside help
or was it just you that's said, you know what,
I'm let me go down this path and you just
started the domino effect to the healing.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
It was just me, It was myself, and even my
wife wanted me to take some of the medications that
were actually making me worse rather than helping. A lot
of these medications were snowballing the effect of making everything
much worse. And I said, I'm not doing this anymore.
I'm going to stop these medications and I'm going to
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start from scratch and I've got to figure this out.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And because of that, I.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Began to read a lot of literature coming out of Europe,
in Switzerland and places like that on some of these
different things that were going on in our body. But
there was no university. There's no university in America that
has a PhD program in neurotoxicology.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
And that was the key to my issue. I guess
it was at this point that you were making the
connection that you could heal at a cellular level. That's
when true miracles happen, right.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yes, Yes, I began to realize that healing begins with
the cell. We have to understand what's going on with
the cell, each cell individually, and then you have the
cell to cell communication, and then you have in America,
we slice every human up. You have the neurological the
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brain and the neurosystem, you have the cardiovascular system, you
have the endocrine system, and then the gastro intestinal system.
Everything is chopped up. And I began to realize that
every single cell begins to communicate one with the other,
and our organ systems are actually communicating one with the
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other organ system. And back when I was sick, this
wasn't a very studied system a system approach. Now we
call it a system's approach. And I began to understand
that what they were doing in some of the other
countries with a systems approach was more appropriate for health
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and for disease systems, because you're not just your heart,
You're not just your brain, You're one whole person.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So I guess in this country we have a disconnected
view in the medical profession, but you are looking at
the whole, whole, body minded, spirit as a whole.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yes, yes, I believe that we are multisystem. We are body,
mind and spirit and they communicate one with the other.
And I do see even in my practice that there
are a lot of people that maybe their health isn't
as bad as their mental system and they're telling themselves
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they're sick, so they become sick. And we can all
do that and be like that. Nobody's beyond it, nobody.
You can't look down on somebody else to say, oh,
it's all in their head.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Well, it's not really in their head. It's more than that.
You stated in your book that you're a Christian doctor. Yes,
why did you present yourself that way?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Because I thought that I could really reach some of
the people that are in the church. They happen to
be some of the most unhealthy individuals in the United States.
They eat improperly. They think they're just going to bless
their food and then it's all better for them. Where
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you can't do that. You have to pick food wisely,
pick organic foods, pick foods that are proper for you
for your body, because we're all slightly different and we
all need slightly different foods, and what's good for my
wife might not be good for me.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
You stated a little bit earlier, and you also stated
in the book that you began a quest for what
is scientific and the true cause of disease. Why did
you choose those specific words.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Because I have a lot of friends that tell me
that there is no true cause. There is no cause factor.
It just happens, and it's not just happenstats. I believe
there's a true cause to why our cells, why our
body system, why our organ systems become sick, and I
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believe that we can do something preventatively. I'd rather prevent
it than work after the fact. Unfortunately, my practice is
a lot of people with chronic disease that traditional medicine
has given up on, and they said, I don't have
anything more for you. I can't do anything. But I
believe that we can look for a true cause and
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a causative agent that can reveal ways that we can
actually help our bodies heal.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
You've been called revolutionary for being one of the first
doctors in the world to check a patient's DNA. If
I was one of your newest patients, what would I
expect to experience when I'm called back to an exam room.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Well, I like to have everything ready, so the first
time you come into me, I like to have your genetics.
I like to have all of your labs. And people
complain because I don't do all the traditional lab testing
that a lot of doctors do. I do a lot
of esoteric testing that actually points to deeper root causes.
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But it takes me about an hour and a half
to go through everything. And I like people to see
how their genetics are leading to improper labs because you
can see it in their labs. You can have an
abnormal genetic test. It doesn't mean it's expressing, but you
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can see it in someone's labs if it is. And
if it is expressing, what are we going to do
about it? What's the cause why this began to express?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You know, it sounds so logical by are you just
saying that, doctor, But you know probably everybody that's hearing
this is like, well, that's not the way it's donned
to go in and you talk to the doctor and
he gets a little bit of information, but you do
your homework on the patient before they even walk in
to see you.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yes, I believe that's my job. I believe that's a
physician's job, is for us to do our homework first.
It usually takes me a couple of hours to go
through all these initial labs and their genetics before they
come in. So I actually did help recently develop a
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genetic test that is simplified for physicians that want to
start doing genetics, it's kind of simplified and were even
the patient to understand. So I helped develop that about
a year and a half ago, two years ago, because
a lot of people were doing genetics and they were
interpreting them incorrectly. The other fact with genetics is there's
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different platforms to do your genetics on, and not all
platforms are created equally, so you can have a misread
or an inappropriate or incorrect genetics that is actually not
true for you. So doing genetics correctly with proper platforms
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that they're done on JAD testing.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Can somebody go through your website to sign up to
get those specific panels and blood work.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yes, they can. We're starting a whole new system. We're
evamping everything so that people can actually do that through
the website and then they can even do well depending
on the state, because I can't do I can't do
zooms with every state because some states prohibit it.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
But I do have most states.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I can do zoom calls with them and advise them
on things.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
So this is mind blowing to me because then I'm
going to get into more of that later on. But
one of the things was what about people that can't
come see you can't go to your you know, your
practice in Florida. This is a great avenue for them.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yes, that's why I like to and some of the
states that I can't do the zooms at right now,
we are working at being able to do them in
all fifty states, well minus California, because I can't do California,
but then every state but that one, so it will
be good now people in California, and I do have people.
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They come to me, they fly to me so that
I can do clinical practice through a zoo. But everybody's
going to soon be able to just get a hold
of me through a zoo and we can do almost everything.
I share their labs, so they're shared on the thing.
We work through all of their labs, will work through
all of their genetics, and I listen to them because
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you have to listen to them too. I can't look
at labs and genetics. I have to listen to the patient,
listen to the person, hear their symptoms, because most doctors
don't even listen to the symptoms. I can't tell you
the number of times I went to a physician I
told them what was going on with me, and they
totally ignored it. They ignored it and they just went
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to looking at MRIs or cat scans or whatever it was,
and they didn't listen to what the symptoms were.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
So even though they knew you were a doctor, they
put you in a box. They were like, yeah, you
don't know what you're talking about. Just follow what I said,
Just do that, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
It opened up my eyes to the way medicine is
and the way physicians treat their patients. Now, I'm not
saying all physicians do that naturally, there are some physicians
that don't or nurse mid level practitioners because they've because
there's a lot of mid levels right now that I've
had a lot of complaints about in my practice because
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they're doing the same thing what the physicians are doing.
They're just following suit and doing the same thing. They
don't let them talk. And it's hard now with insurance
because insurance only gives you a very short period of
time to see patients. I remember when I was at
the university, we were allowed fifteen minutes for a gynecological
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exam to listen to them and do their whole gynecological exam.
We were allowed seven minutes if it was an obstetric patient,
so we had to listen to the baby's heart, make
sure the mom's okay. In seven minutes, be in and out.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
How do you keep track of that? You keep looking
at your watch or do you have someone outside in
the hallway going, oh, it's a minute. I got to
go in and kind of walk in and give them
that hey, time to go.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Well. We always had students and residence with us, so
they'd notudgest sometimes, but I never paid attention. I was
always behind. I was always getting in trouble because the
biggest complaint is you're spending too much time with your patients,
bonding with your patients too much. You shouldn't bond with
your patients. There has to be a professional separation between
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physician and patient.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Some of my patients now have become some of my
favorite people, and some of them have become prioritists. Why
Because I truly love these people and I truly want
each one to get well. They might not think like
I do, they might not be like me. I'm not
going to hide who I am. Yes, I'm a Christian position.
A majority my patients are not Christian, and a majority
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have a lifestyle that is not like my families. But
I'm going to love them where they are. And that's
the key. As a physician. We have to love that
person where they are, love them and help them get well.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Doc, you never understood the patient conveyor built concept. You
never got it. No, I always had an issue with it.
You stated that you have a combination of natural treatments
alongside traditional medicine. What does that look like and what
are those initial conversations that centered around you know, medications
are for a reason. You can't just throw out medications.
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Some of them are very good.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Now we have some medications that are not as good
as other ones, and I try to remove some of
those bad medications, or if they have an issue with them,
then we try to offset what can happen with it
with natural things. I don't know if you've heard of
doctor James Level. He's probably one of my best friends.
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He wrote a book actually of the nutrient deprivation from medications.
So there's certain medications that will actually cause your body
to be deprived of specific supplements.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
We need to optimize.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Those and so that's what I do, is I'll optimize
if we have to use a medication that there are
other things that you can use. For instance, myself, I
got sick on every single cholesterol medication. Every single one
made me very sick. I couldn't tolerate the pain in
my joints and everything else. I found ways to get
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my cholesterol down and under control using more natural products.
So berberine works, red yeast, rice works. There's different things,
and sometimes you need a little bit of a combination.
I found mine was actually high because of carbohydrates, not
because of bats, because of carbohydrates. So I started eating
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more vegetables and less carbohydrates, and my cholesterol miraculously got better.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah. Well there's the Greek or Latin. You know, what
is a physician heal thyself? How do you take care
of yourself? Do you have to do a self test
on your in a year? Is there anybody else doing
what you're doing or are you even getting close to
what you're doing?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
There are some I teach for a four I don't
know if you've heard of it, but I do teach
for a four M. It's a great institution because they
believe in science and science based behind what you're doing
with supplementation. There are a group of us that we
do do our labs frequently. I do mine every three
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to six months. I never go longer than six months,
so it's every three to six months, I do all
my labs, and I'm really looking at a lot of
inflammatory markers to make sure that I'm not developing something
called metaflammation. So that's the thing, metiflammation. It was actually
coined in two thousand and eight, and there's literature on it.
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There's lots of articles on it and what it does
and how it causes metabolic syndrome. What's the worst problem
that we have in America metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome is
the cause for diabetes, for art disease, for all these
different things. And we can actually do some preventative things
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to prevent that from happening to our patients if we
catch them early enough.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
In the early days, Doctor, what is your family, friend's colleagues.
What did they think about your shift you were making
on how you were going to approach your practice moving forward?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Well, you know, I come from a family of a
bunch of doctors on my dad's side. Some of them
thought I was a little crazy. I can remember my
uncle said there's no need to take a vitamin or
a supplement. You get everything through your food. Meanwhile, he
didn't eat that healthy, so I knew that he wasn't
getting his supplements anyway because he wasn't even eating healthy.
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We got to eat healthy, right, right, That's the key.
And I like Thomas Edison's thing is that he says
the physician of the future will no longer entice his
patients with medications, but will request that they begin to
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do foods, so food will be their medicine basically, is
what he's saying. I love that I haven't actually on
one of my walls in my practice because I want
people to eat.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Number one.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
That's the first thing we do is we've got to
eat well. I want you to eat organic as much
as possible. I want you to eat, you know, two
thirds of year plate. I want it to be vegetables.
And I want you to have a meat that is
a really lean meat, that's a good healthy meat, because
we need our protein, we need certain things, and you know,
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and then a very small small amount of insoluble starches
because we need that for our gut biome. Right, so
you know, we can eat our way to health. But
if you're already sick like I was, it was going
to take extra supplements.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
And so a lot of.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
My patients are going to require some supplementation, and I
do help them with that. If they're on medications, then
let's give them supplements that are not going to interact
with their medications and they're going to work well for
that specific person.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Knowing what you know about yourself and thinking back to
where you grew up, how you were raised, does it
surprise you that you made this shift to your work.
Not totally.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
My mom was a little bit before her time, so
back in the late sixties, early seventies, I'm older than
what I look. I guess that's what everybody tells me.
I am sixty six. But my mother actually made her
own bread. She would go to the mill, Havoc brown
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it was all natural. We would not drink water from
the city. Who would go out to the spring that
was far outside of town and we'd go collect water.
That's what we would drink all of the time. She
started a whole campaign for people to begin to buy
organic fruits and vegetables and foods that were grown locally.
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She did that in this small town called zillionople Pennsylvania.
That's kind of where I was when I was really young.
She did that for people, so she was ahead of
her time. And then she would have me take all
this a lot of supplements and a lot of alfalfa sprouts,
which I really think it really helped me to be honest.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Well, you look fantastic. I was starting the interview and
I was thinking, how old is He's probably in his
mid fifties. You look great. Oh, thank you. Have you
made any changes over the years with new patients or
has the process remained pretty much the same When you
have a new patient come to your practice.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
You know research is growing all the time, and thank
goodness where research is growing on natural things and natural
supplements and in the peptide world as well. So I
do do a lot with peptides and co author with
doctor Livelle in a book it's fourth Positions for them
to understand peptides. And so there were a group of
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us that got together and we said, okay, let's make
this book so that physicians know the dosage, they know
the possible complications from peppads. But peptides are something natural
in our body. So yes, I've grown I continue to develop.
There's new things that come out all the time, and
as they come out, I want my patients to have
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privy to those things that can help their health. And
I'm always trying to do research on some type of
chronic disease. I've been kind of settling in nerdy generitive diseases.
I guess that's because before I went to medical school,
I was actually a physician assistant in neurology and neurosurgery,
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so I always have had a love for it. I've
kind of gone back to that now in trying to
help these people because a lot of them have been
given up by traditional medicine. They said, there's no hope
for you, we can't do anything for you. Well, my
heart goes out to them and I try to find
anything I.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Can't taking the patient out of the equation for a moment.
What are some of the most difficult things that a
doctor faces that either frustrates them, hinders them, or causes
burnout in medicine today. I think number.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
One is that there are a lot of physician practices.
They're owned by hospital groups, either by hospitals or by hierarchy,
and they're actually told what to do. So they can't
do what they want. The other aspect, which I see
all the time, and that's why I don't even take insurance,
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is that they're dictated by the insurance company what medication
they can have or what medication they don't they can't have.
And even today, even though I don't take insurance, I
will prescribe something in the insurance company. I'll say, no,
you can't do that, so insurance and the other aspect
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is that physicians are pitted against each other. I got
reported to the board by a plastic surgeon who didn't
believe in mold toxicity. Meanwhile, our federal government has a
six hundred page document on mold toxicity. So I had
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to spend almost two hundred thousand dollars defending myself against
the Board of Medicine because they had this complaint and
they were going to go with that complaint, and then
they found out that, you know what, this guy has
the science behind them, but we still have to give
you a slap on the hand, So then you have
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a mark on your record forever.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
It's sad.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
That is extremely stressful, and some people handle less stress
different I have a female colleague that was almost to
the point of suicide because of somebody reporting her to
the board for doing something thing natural that that patient
actually got better. And it is so sad that other
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physicians are reporting us all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
I'm blessed to be able to have this time with
doctor Gordon Krozier, author of Healed Yourselves, Save Your Life. Doctor,
going back to when you were in medical school, what
do you think our institutions are doing right and what
could we improve upon?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So I think that we continued to study and try
to learn how our bodies are affected by different entities,
by infectious diseases, things like that. So we do have
a lot of help So our critically ill people that
end up in the hospital, I think we're good with that.
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I think we do know how to take care of them.
I think we do know how to help those people
survive in the critical illness. The other thing that we
do well is we have taught our physicians and the
whole healthcare system is actually very good at handling trauma.
So when people are injured, we are extremely good at
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helping those people through those traumatic events and helping them
where we can even reattach limbs. Now we can do
so much with that traumatic event. Even with strokes, we
can do some interventions now to avert longer term effects
and will interced quickly, so we can actually help stop
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the progression of the stroke. So there are certain things
we're really good at, and I think we're growing at those.
Even the advent of some of the cancer therapies, so
more of them are immune logic now that are actually
not the real intensive chemo therapies that kill the patient
and the disease both, but some of them are actually
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helping the immune system recognize the cancer is being foreign
and attack those cancer cells. And a lot of that
was s burn out of natural medicine and people doing
natural things that we're finding results, So then they began
to say, hey, this is helping, let's study it more.
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So I think in those things we are growing and
it is helping. I think what we need to do
is we need to support our healthcare people, the mid
level practitioners, the nurses, and the doctors, because they are stressed.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
When you do your genetic testing, what are you looking for?
There any things that jump out to you.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I look at grouping of So it's kind of difficult
because genes don't operate independently. Very few genes operate independently
from other genes. So genes work in groupings, and there's
specific groupings that might help with say depression. So there's
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specific groupings that genes that actually can help you pick
the right antidepressant. And maybe there's not a depressant that's
going to actually help that person. Maybe there's something natural
that's going to help that person instead. And when you
look at those genes, you can actually help read that.
So I look at grouping of genes. Each group and
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groupings help us understand what's going on with that patient more.
Some people have groupings for like the apoe three four,
which puts them at cardiac risk, but it also puts
them at risk for dementia. So I look for specific
things like that, there's specific ones and there's other ones
that can actually help your gut.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
If someone can't come see you in Florida and they
can't because of finances, maybe afford the rollout that you're
going to do. Is there maybe a said protocol or
some specific supplements. And I know everybody's different, but are
they any suggestions that you could give someone that would
even start to elevate their health? On a cellular level. Sure.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Number one is gluetthi. So glutathione is a peptide, it's
a tripeptide. It has over four hundred functions in your body.
Now I have to warn because a lot of people
are taking some of those that are Not all liposomal
products are created equally. Some of them they cause an agglomeration,
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so they agglomerate and they glue up, and then you
don't really get the effects of the glutathione in some
of the liposomal products. Some of the leposomal products, they
become rancid by the time they even are put on
the shelf. So not all liposomal products are created equally.
There's good ones and then some that maybe are not
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so good. But glutathione is key for a lot of
things because of four hundred functions in your body.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
So that helps.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
There is something I like, it's called tetracure that actually
helps reduce inflammation, an inflammatory process. It's a bioavailable form
of kercuman. Because kurcuman, you know, it's hard to cross
over into the cell and get it where it needs
to be, but it does. But there are some products
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out there that actually help you absorb them. A little
bit better. So I think those are good. And B
vitamins know what you are. If you're MTHFR, you need
a B vitamin that is a methylated form of B vitamin.
I'm finding probably eighty percent of my patient population have
genetic snips where they cannot tolerate regular B vitems. They
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don't absorb them, and then they wonder what's wrong. Well,
B vitamins help with depression, to help your immune system.
There's a plethora of things that B vitamins really help with.
So getting a B vitamin that actually you need from
my genes, I need a form called a dnisol carbolamine,
which is a specific form of B twelve because I
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have all these genetic glitches that I can't absorb the
other forms, and that form a dentisol gets to the
mitochondria much quicker and actually helps drive up energy. So
those are some of the key things I think B
vitamins are important. Glutatime is important, different things to decrease
your inflammatory response because inflammation is responsible for ninety six
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plus diseases.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Well, this is in your first book and maybe the
book that you co authored with doctor Lovell. Is there
anything out there that people could read. That kind of
would be a handbook. When it comes to the supplementation,
I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
To think of one because there are a couple that
I've read before and I can't remember the names of
them off the top of my head right now.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Well, there's the subject of your next book. There we go,
and we didn't I need to knuck doctor Krozer's supplement book.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, I did start writing another book. It's called pep Talk,
so it's about peptides. But I'm going to have a
part in there on different supplement and supplements that might
help with different things.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
When you think of the entire medical profession, the wide
scope vision, what do you see or hope to see
moving forward on how we treat the relationship between patient
and our medical professionals.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I hope that we will teach more compassion because I
think that we're so harsh. Not everybody, but there's a
lot of them are pretty harsh and they just lack
compassion in the field. You know, a lot of us
we went into medicine traditionally because we wanted to help people.
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We wanted to help people, genuinely help people, and I
think some of that gets lost because we get so
inundated with all the training and following all the protocols.
Protocols are good, they help guide us, but they're not everything.
We need to go past protocols sometimes, but we need
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compassion for the patient.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
We really do. You need compassion And not that I'm perfect.
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I get tired too, but we all need to be
more compassionate because I'll never forget what being that patient
that didn't have the compassion given to me.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
What's the farthest anybody has ever traveled to come visit
you at your practice in Florida.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Wow, Well, I've had somebody from South Africa. I don't
know if that's the farthest. I had somebody from Japan.
I've had quite a few from Spain. Probably, I would
say South Africa is probably the farthest.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Among other things, you're asked to speak all over the
world about neuroinflammation secondary to bioxin. I know those are
English words, but I have no idea what I said.
Explain that torfriciation.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
So neuroinflammation is inflammation in the brain, and neuroinflammation a
lot of times happens because of certain toxins. You can
have heavy metals that can induce inflammation. You have molds.
Molds put off something called micotoxes, and those micotoxins can
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be inflammatory to the brain.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Then you have other.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Environmental toxins like ballet bpcs, that's plastics, you have blico faiths.
You have different things that can cause an environmental toxes
that can cause inflammation in the brain. I look at
these inflammation patterns and I look at the different toxes,
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so I know, is this something that I can help
them with, because not all the neurodegenerative diseases are always
what they see. They can be caused from some of
these toxes. If we remove them and we help the
cell restore that, then they don't have the issues that
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they were having.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Is there a chap and verse in the Bible that
you've thought about or called upon more than others when
approaching the way that you practice medicine.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Now, well, I always go back to Leviticus, where you
know the people will told, hey, if you have mold
on your garments, had it out. If it comes back,
throw the garment out. If you have mold in your home,
you need to remove it. If it comes back. Take
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every timber and stone out to a place of defilement
and get rid of it.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
And why is that?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
And that's because genetically, most of the people with Hebrew descent,
they have a gene where they have a hard time
getting rid of those toxins. It's twenty five percent of
the rest of the population, unless near in my family
than it's one hundred percent. But you know, we have
a hard time getting rid of those toxins. So I
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always go back to that because I'm going like, God knew.
God knew that we going to have an issue getting
rid of specific toxins. So we need to look at
these toxics and we need to get them out of
our homes and get them out of our lives.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Did you receive any pushback when you were initially beginning
to change how you approached your practice from peers family members.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Oh? Yes, So I had some family members that were
They would call me and they said, hey, you need
to not do this, this is something you need to do.
My wife was encouraging to me. I questioned whether I
should leave the university because leaving the university, I had
a good salary, my kids had re education, I had
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a retirement, I gave up all of that to leave
and go out on my own and do this type
of medicine. So my wife was the only one that
really encouraged me. I had friends that said, no, you
shouldn't do this, This isn't right for you.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Is how are you going to feed six kids? Did
any of those come back to you now years later
and go, Okay, well, I think you were your You're
right there.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I've never had anybody tell me I was right, but
I've had some of them tell me, oh, I'm so
happy for you. You're you know, you're one of the
ones that everybody looks for to lecture, to to gain
knowledge from. Is you know, other physicians, because I want
them to understand science. There's science behind what we do,
and we need science.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
What has been one of the most amazing experiences of
your journey so far? Wow?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Well, O, man, I've had several. But I don't typically
treat ALS, it's not something that I do. But I've
had a couple of ALS patients come to me. It's
probably the most devastating disease ever. There's no hope for them.
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But they actually didn't really have ALS. They actually had
lime disease and when we treated their lime, they out
of the wheelchair and they began to walk. Now they
went back to the who they were going to, and
I won't say what institutions they were at. One said
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that doctor walked in, saw that I wasn't in a
wheelchair anymore and I was able to walk, and walked
back out said nothing. The other one said to me
that the doctor says, oh, I must have misdiagnosed you,
and walked out. Neither one congratulated and said, oh, I'm
so happy for you that you're better now.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
That is a small fraction.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Of the ALS patients, because I don't typically like to
treat als and it's not something I typically do.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
But that was a small fracture.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
So then I got other ALS patients and we didn't
have the same result because I couldn't find what actually
initiated their disease process. And I wish I would have
had more time to do it, but didn't, and so
we didn't have the same result. But those two people,
and it's still is warm to my heart to see
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that they were able to walk and they're still able
to do well today.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
You know, you would hope, you would want to have
faith that at least one of those doctors would have said,
what did you do?
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Tell me, yeah, exactly, But nobody wants to know. They're afraid. Well,
a lot of them are so arrogant that they don't
want to think that somebody else knows something that they don't.
And that's the biggest thing. I can learn, and I
can learn from my patients. So if they bring me
articles or they bring me something, I read it. I
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always want to be able to learn more, because we
always can. There's something more to learn in everything that
we do.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
You mentioned diet and trying to go organic as much
as possible. We hear a lot about the carnivore movement.
What are your thoughts on the carnivore diet. I'll tell
you what I've seen a couple of times. So I've
had a couple of patients do it without me knowing it,
and they act they did turn off their autoimmunity. I
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don't know why or how that happened, but they did
and it worked for them.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I think that's good. Do I think it's a sustainable
diet for a long term.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
I think for short term it might be okay for
some individuals, not everybody. I still think they're going to
be missing some of their nutrients that they get from vegetables,
and that concerns me because of the long term. I
think there could be some nutrients that they might be
depriving themselves from.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Now in a.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
True carnivore diet, they are going to be eating organ
meats which are going to have more of those nutrients
than just regular meat.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Well, you touched on it a little bit earlier. Do
you get very detailed when you give a patient, Okay,
this is the foods that I'd like you to see
eating percentage of this and percentage of this meat and
percentage of that. Do you get very specifical like that
with them? And when you send them on their way?
I like to, sometimes I don't always have the time to.
That's why I need a nutritionist in here with me
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as well. But it's hard to get a good one.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
So but I really would like to have one because
it's hard to spend that time.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
But I do like to break it down.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
So some people will notice on their genetics that they
really shouldn't be eating, you know, say gluten, and that's
not everybody, but it's some people who am dairy they
might have an issue on their genetics with dairy, so
I tell them you shouldn't be eating this. Let's do
a food allergy test. So I do food allergy. There's
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a lot of people doing sensitivity testing. Sensitivities come and go.
I don't like the sensitivity testing. I like true allergy testing.
So it has an IgE. It has an IgG four.
IgG four is critical. Why because if you're high on that,
that is trying to prevent an IgE experience from happening.
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And then you have part of your innate immune system,
which that is your C three, B and B. So
if you do a food allergy testing and you have
those components in there, it can help guide you which
foods you need to stay away from. I was eating
a lot of eggs, didn't realize I had an IgE
allergy and a C three B and D two eggs.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
And finally, doctor, I know this probably is unusual to hear,
but are you grateful for what you experienced going through
all that pain because of how it transformed you and
how it was the catalyst that has touched so many lives?
You know what I am?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I am truly grateful because through our pain, you can
turn your pain into healing to help others, or you
can turn your pain into bitterness and it won't help anybody.
So I am so grateful that I was a allowed
to experience that so I can help other people, because
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that is the biggest issue for me, is how can
I help because of what I went through.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
It was an absolute joy to be able to finally
connect with you and have this time together. Doctors, thank
you so much for your life, for your journey, and
for coming on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Thank you, thank you for having me. It was great
to be here.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
All of us are on a journey towards better health,
and we're grateful that you've allowed us to join you
on your quest in this episode.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's hard now with insurance because insurance only gives you
a very short period of time to see patience. I
remember when I was at the university, we were allowed
fifteen minutes for a gynecological exam to listen to them
and do their whole gytecological exam.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
This is the Good Foods Podcast. And now here's your host, show.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Dan, doctor Krozer, thank you so much for being my
guest on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Thank you, it's great to be here. This is an
exciting time and this is a great podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Thank you for saying that, sir. You know I have
never opened up a book to a sentence like this.
There was only one answer self amputation bilatterly of my legs.
But this wasn't the start of that part of your story.
Please take us to the beginning.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
So my story was that actually, when I was much younger,
I was sick. I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease. And
during that time, I was in the hospital and they
were going to remove a large section of my bow
because of extensive Crone's disease. And I said, this isn't
a way to health and healing. I walked out of
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the hospital, snuck out of the hospital. Because I was
under age, when it was only fifteen, I snuck out
of the hospital. I called my grandmother and I said,
can you take me home? I was discharged from the hospital.
Kind of told a little story right there, and I
was going to figure out how to get well. So
I actually went on a fast for a little bit
of time, and then I just slowly started adding in
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foods that I could tolerate and I knew were good
for me, And we're actually helping me to feel better
and really heal.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Up.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I got because really a lot of our gut issues
are the foods that we eat later on in life.
After finishing residency, and I was working very hard. I
was in charge of residence and medical students and all this,
and I was in and out, I started getting sick
all over again, but this time it was a little different.
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It was vertigo and unbelievable pain from my waist down
but especially in my legs and my lower legs, and
I could hardly stand the pain. Finally, one day I
started passing out in surgery. Was put on medical disability
because you can't have a surgeon passing out during surgery
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now really, so you know, I just really didn't know
what to do. But my legs were in so much
pain that I really was going to put them in
ice and I was going to cut them off because
I could not stand the pain any longer. And that's
kind of where my quest for a deeper health and
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understanding cellular biology, even though we are taught some cell
biology in medical school, really understanding the intricacies of how
the cells communicate one with another and what happens with
the mitochondria of this cell in interpreting the nucleus of
this cell. So that's put me on a quest, and
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I was going to figure it out.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I think I remember a line from your book, and
I'm going to paraphrase, but I think you said I
became one of you. You were being ping ponged from
specialists to specialists, and all they had was more bills
but no real answers for you correct.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So I went to infectious disease because I thought I
had some type of infection. Then I went to a neurologist.
From there, I went to a neurosurgeon. From there, I
went to an immunologist. I went to all these different
doctors that did a ton of different labs. I started
out first with a family practice doctor who then sent
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me to an internal medicine doctor, who sent me to
another internal medicine doctor. So I was bounced around form
physician a physician, and I worked at a university. I
was clinical faculty at a university. I knew a lot
of these doctors, but I kept getting bounced around and
it was very disheartening. Finally, they just said, well, we're
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going to send you to psite because it must be
in your head. Well it wasn't in my head. I
knew what was in my body, and I had to
figure it out. I was the one I had was
going to have to figure it out.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
What was that like? Was there any any outside help
or was it just you that's said, you know what,
I'm let me go down this path and you just
started the domino effect to the healing.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
It was just me, It was myself, and even my
wife wanted me to take some of the medications that
were actually making me worse rather than helping. A lot
of these medications were snowballing the effect of making everything
much worse. And I said, I'm not doing this anymore.
I'm going to stop these medications and I'm going to
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start from scratch and I've got to figure this out.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And because of that, I.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Began to read a lot of literature coming out of Europe,
in Switzerland and places like that on some of these
different things that were going on in our body. But
there was no university. There's no university in America that
has a PhD program in neurotoxicology.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
And that was the key to my issue. I guess
it was at this point that you were making the
connection that you could heal at a cellular level. That's
when true miracles happen, right.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yes, Yes, I began to realize that healing begins with
the cell. We have to understand what's going on with
the cell, each cell individually, and then you have the
cell to cell communication, and then you have in America,
we slice every human up. You have the neurological the
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brain and the neurosystem, you have the cardiovascular system, you
have the endocrine system, and then the gastro intestinal system.
Everything is chopped up. And I began to realize that
every single cell begins to communicate one with the other,
and our organ systems are actually communicating one with the
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other organ system. And back when I was sick, this
wasn't a very studied system a system approach. Now we
call it a system's approach. And I began to understand
that what they were doing in some of the other
countries with a systems approach was more appropriate for health
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and for disease systems, because you're not just your heart,
You're not just your brain, You're one whole person.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So I guess in this country we have a disconnected
view in the medical profession, but you are looking at
the whole, whole, body minded, spirit as a whole.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yes, yes, I believe that we are multisystem. We are body,
mind and spirit and they communicate one with the other.
And I do see even in my practice that there
are a lot of people that maybe their health isn't
as bad as their mental system and they're telling themselves
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they're sick, so they become sick. And we can all
do that and be like that. Nobody's beyond it, nobody.
You can't look down on somebody else to say, oh,
it's all in their head.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Well, it's not really in their head. It's more than that.
You stated in your book that you're a Christian doctor. Yes,
why did you present yourself that way?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Because I thought that I could really reach some of
the people that are in the church. They happen to
be some of the most unhealthy individuals in the United States.
They eat improperly. They think they're just going to bless
their food and then it's all better for them. Where
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you can't do that. You have to pick food wisely,
pick organic foods, pick foods that are proper for you
for your body, because we're all slightly different and we
all need slightly different foods, and what's good for my
wife might not be good for me.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
You stated a little bit earlier, and you also stated
in the book that you began a quest for what
is scientific and the true cause of disease. Why did
you choose those specific words.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Because I have a lot of friends that tell me
that there is no true cause. There is no cause factor.
It just happens, and it's not just happenstats. I believe
there's a true cause to why our cells, why our
body system, why our organ systems become sick, and I
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believe that we can do something preventatively. I'd rather prevent
it than work after the fact. Unfortunately, my practice is
a lot of people with chronic disease that traditional medicine
has given up on, and they said, I don't have
anything more for you. I can't do anything. But I
believe that we can look for a true cause and
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a causative agent that can reveal ways that we can
actually help our bodies heal.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
You've been called revolutionary for being one of the first
doctors in the world to check a patient's DNA. If
I was one of your newest patients, what would I
expect to experience when I'm called back to an exam room.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Well, I like to have everything ready, so the first
time you come into me, I like to have your genetics.
I like to have all of your labs. And people
complain because I don't do all the traditional lab testing
that a lot of doctors do. I do a lot
of esoteric testing that actually points to deeper root causes.
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But it takes me about an hour and a half
to go through everything. And I like people to see
how their genetics are leading to improper labs because you
can see it in their labs. You can have an
abnormal genetic test. It doesn't mean it's expressing, but you
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can see it in someone's labs if it is. And
if it is expressing, what are we going to do
about it? What's the cause why this began to express?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You know, it sounds so logical by are you just
saying that, doctor, But you know probably everybody that's hearing
this is like, well, that's not the way it's donned
to go in and you talk to the doctor and
he gets a little bit of information, but you do
your homework on the patient before they even walk in
to see you.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yes, I believe that's my job. I believe that's a
physician's job, is for us to do our homework first.
It usually takes me a couple of hours to go
through all these initial labs and their genetics before they
come in. So I actually did help recently develop a
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genetic test that is simplified for physicians that want to
start doing genetics, it's kind of simplified and were even
the patient to understand. So I helped develop that about
a year and a half ago, two years ago, because
a lot of people were doing genetics and they were
interpreting them incorrectly. The other fact with genetics is there's
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different platforms to do your genetics on, and not all
platforms are created equally, so you can have a misread
or an inappropriate or incorrect genetics that is actually not
true for you. So doing genetics correctly with proper platforms
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that they're done on JAD testing.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Can somebody go through your website to sign up to
get those specific panels and blood work.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yes, they can. We're starting a whole new system. We're
evamping everything so that people can actually do that through
the website and then they can even do well depending
on the state, because I can't do I can't do
zooms with every state because some states prohibit it.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
But I do have most states.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I can do zoom calls with them and advise them
on things.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
So this is mind blowing to me because then I'm
going to get into more of that later on. But
one of the things was what about people that can't
come see you can't go to your you know, your
practice in Florida. This is a great avenue for them.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yes, that's why I like to and some of the
states that I can't do the zooms at right now,
we are working at being able to do them in
all fifty states, well minus California, because I can't do California,
but then every state but that one, so it will
be good now people in California, and I do have people.
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They come to me, they fly to me so that
I can do clinical practice through a zoo. But everybody's
going to soon be able to just get a hold
of me through a zoo and we can do almost everything.
I share their labs, so they're shared on the thing.
We work through all of their labs, will work through
all of their genetics, and I listen to them because
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you have to listen to them too. I can't look
at labs and genetics. I have to listen to the patient,
listen to the person, hear their symptoms, because most doctors
don't even listen to the symptoms. I can't tell you
the number of times I went to a physician I
told them what was going on with me, and they
totally ignored it. They ignored it and they just went
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to looking at MRIs or cat scans or whatever it was,
and they didn't listen to what the symptoms were.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
So even though they knew you were a doctor, they
put you in a box. They were like, yeah, you
don't know what you're talking about. Just follow what I said,
Just do that, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
It opened up my eyes to the way medicine is
and the way physicians treat their patients. Now, I'm not
saying all physicians do that naturally, there are some physicians
that don't or nurse mid level practitioners because they've because
there's a lot of mid levels right now that I've
had a lot of complaints about in my practice because
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they're doing the same thing what the physicians are doing.
They're just following suit and doing the same thing. They
don't let them talk. And it's hard now with insurance
because insurance only gives you a very short period of
time to see patients. I remember when I was at
the university, we were allowed fifteen minutes for a gynecological
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exam to listen to them and do their whole gynecological exam.
We were allowed seven minutes if it was an obstetric patient,
so we had to listen to the baby's heart, make
sure the mom's okay. In seven minutes, be in and out.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
How do you keep track of that? You keep looking
at your watch or do you have someone outside in
the hallway going, oh, it's a minute. I got to
go in and kind of walk in and give them
that hey, time to go.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Well. We always had students and residence with us, so
they'd notudgest sometimes, but I never paid attention. I was
always behind. I was always getting in trouble because the
biggest complaint is you're spending too much time with your patients,
bonding with your patients too much. You shouldn't bond with
your patients. There has to be a professional separation between
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physician and patient.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Some of my patients now have become some of my
favorite people, and some of them have become prioritists. Why
Because I truly love these people and I truly want
each one to get well. They might not think like
I do, they might not be like me. I'm not
going to hide who I am. Yes, I'm a Christian position.
A majority my patients are not Christian, and a majority
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have a lifestyle that is not like my families. But
I'm going to love them where they are. And that's
the key. As a physician. We have to love that
person where they are, love them and help them get well.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Doc, you never understood the patient conveyor built concept. You
never got it. No, I always had an issue with it.
You stated that you have a combination of natural treatments
alongside traditional medicine. What does that look like and what
are those initial conversations that centered around you know, medications
are for a reason. You can't just throw out medications.
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Some of them are very good.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Now we have some medications that are not as good
as other ones, and I try to remove some of
those bad medications, or if they have an issue with them,
then we try to offset what can happen with it
with natural things. I don't know if you've heard of
doctor James Level. He's probably one of my best friends.
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He wrote a book actually of the nutrient deprivation from medications.
So there's certain medications that will actually cause your body
to be deprived of specific supplements.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
We need to optimize.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Those and so that's what I do, is I'll optimize
if we have to use a medication that there are
other things that you can use. For instance, myself, I
got sick on every single cholesterol medication. Every single one
made me very sick. I couldn't tolerate the pain in
my joints and everything else. I found ways to get
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my cholesterol down and under control using more natural products.
So berberine works, red yeast, rice works. There's different things,
and sometimes you need a little bit of a combination.
I found mine was actually high because of carbohydrates, not
because of bats, because of carbohydrates. So I started eating
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more vegetables and less carbohydrates, and my cholesterol miraculously got better.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah. Well there's the Greek or Latin. You know, what
is a physician heal thyself? How do you take care
of yourself? Do you have to do a self test
on your in a year? Is there anybody else doing
what you're doing or are you even getting close to
what you're doing?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
There are some I teach for a four I don't
know if you've heard of it, but I do teach
for a four M. It's a great institution because they
believe in science and science based behind what you're doing
with supplementation. There are a group of us that we
do do our labs frequently. I do mine every three
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to six months. I never go longer than six months,
so it's every three to six months, I do all
my labs, and I'm really looking at a lot of
inflammatory markers to make sure that I'm not developing something
called metaflammation. So that's the thing, metiflammation. It was actually
coined in two thousand and eight, and there's literature on it.
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There's lots of articles on it and what it does
and how it causes metabolic syndrome. What's the worst problem
that we have in America metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome is
the cause for diabetes, for art disease, for all these
different things. And we can actually do some preventative things
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to prevent that from happening to our patients if we
catch them early enough.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
In the early days, Doctor, what is your family, friend's colleagues.
What did they think about your shift you were making
on how you were going to approach your practice moving forward?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Well, you know, I come from a family of a
bunch of doctors on my dad's side. Some of them
thought I was a little crazy. I can remember my
uncle said there's no need to take a vitamin or
a supplement. You get everything through your food. Meanwhile, he
didn't eat that healthy, so I knew that he wasn't
getting his supplements anyway because he wasn't even eating healthy.
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We got to eat healthy, right, right, That's the key.
And I like Thomas Edison's thing is that he says
the physician of the future will no longer entice his
patients with medications, but will request that they begin to
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do foods, so food will be their medicine basically, is
what he's saying. I love that I haven't actually on
one of my walls in my practice because I want
people to eat.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Number one.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
That's the first thing we do is we've got to
eat well. I want you to eat organic as much
as possible. I want you to eat, you know, two
thirds of year plate. I want it to be vegetables.
And I want you to have a meat that is
a really lean meat, that's a good healthy meat, because
we need our protein, we need certain things, and you know,
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and then a very small small amount of insoluble starches
because we need that for our gut biome. Right, so
you know, we can eat our way to health. But
if you're already sick like I was, it was going
to take extra supplements.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
And so a lot of.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
My patients are going to require some supplementation, and I
do help them with that. If they're on medications, then
let's give them supplements that are not going to interact
with their medications and they're going to work well for
that specific person.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Knowing what you know about yourself and thinking back to
where you grew up, how you were raised, does it
surprise you that you made this shift to your work.
Not totally.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
My mom was a little bit before her time, so
back in the late sixties, early seventies, I'm older than
what I look. I guess that's what everybody tells me.
I am sixty six. But my mother actually made her
own bread. She would go to the mill, Havoc brown
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it was all natural. We would not drink water from
the city. Who would go out to the spring that
was far outside of town and we'd go collect water.
That's what we would drink all of the time. She
started a whole campaign for people to begin to buy
organic fruits and vegetables and foods that were grown locally.
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She did that in this small town called zillionople Pennsylvania.
That's kind of where I was when I was really young.
She did that for people, so she was ahead of
her time. And then she would have me take all
this a lot of supplements and a lot of alfalfa sprouts,
which I really think it really helped me to be honest.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Well, you look fantastic. I was starting the interview and
I was thinking, how old is He's probably in his
mid fifties. You look great. Oh, thank you. Have you
made any changes over the years with new patients or
has the process remained pretty much the same When you
have a new patient come to your practice.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
You know research is growing all the time, and thank
goodness where research is growing on natural things and natural
supplements and in the peptide world as well. So I
do do a lot with peptides and co author with
doctor Livelle in a book it's fourth Positions for them
to understand peptides. And so there were a group of
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us that got together and we said, okay, let's make
this book so that physicians know the dosage, they know
the possible complications from peppads. But peptides are something natural
in our body. So yes, I've grown I continue to develop.
There's new things that come out all the time, and
as they come out, I want my patients to have
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privy to those things that can help their health. And
I'm always trying to do research on some type of
chronic disease. I've been kind of settling in nerdy generitive diseases.
I guess that's because before I went to medical school,
I was actually a physician assistant in neurology and neurosurgery,
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so I always have had a love for it. I've
kind of gone back to that now in trying to
help these people because a lot of them have been
given up by traditional medicine. They said, there's no hope
for you, we can't do anything for you. Well, my
heart goes out to them and I try to find
anything I.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Can't taking the patient out of the equation for a moment.
What are some of the most difficult things that a
doctor faces that either frustrates them, hinders them, or causes
burnout in medicine today. I think number.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
One is that there are a lot of physician practices.
They're owned by hospital groups, either by hospitals or by hierarchy,
and they're actually told what to do. So they can't
do what they want. The other aspect, which I see
all the time, and that's why I don't even take insurance,
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is that they're dictated by the insurance company what medication
they can have or what medication they don't they can't have.
And even today, even though I don't take insurance, I
will prescribe something in the insurance company. I'll say, no,
you can't do that, so insurance and the other aspect
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is that physicians are pitted against each other. I got
reported to the board by a plastic surgeon who didn't
believe in mold toxicity. Meanwhile, our federal government has a
six hundred page document on mold toxicity. So I had
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to spend almost two hundred thousand dollars defending myself against
the Board of Medicine because they had this complaint and
they were going to go with that complaint, and then
they found out that, you know what, this guy has
the science behind them, but we still have to give
you a slap on the hand, So then you have
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a mark on your record forever.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
It's sad.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
That is extremely stressful, and some people handle less stress
different I have a female colleague that was almost to
the point of suicide because of somebody reporting her to
the board for doing something thing natural that that patient
actually got better. And it is so sad that other
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physicians are reporting us all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
I'm blessed to be able to have this time with
doctor Gordon Krozier, author of Healed Yourselves, Save Your Life. Doctor,
going back to when you were in medical school, what
do you think our institutions are doing right and what
could we improve upon?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So I think that we continued to study and try
to learn how our bodies are affected by different entities,
by infectious diseases, things like that. So we do have
a lot of help So our critically ill people that
end up in the hospital, I think we're good with that.
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I think we do know how to take care of them.
I think we do know how to help those people
survive in the critical illness. The other thing that we
do well is we have taught our physicians and the
whole healthcare system is actually very good at handling trauma.
So when people are injured, we are extremely good at
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helping those people through those traumatic events and helping them
where we can even reattach limbs. Now we can do
so much with that traumatic event. Even with strokes, we
can do some interventions now to avert longer term effects
and will interced quickly, so we can actually help stop
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the progression of the stroke. So there are certain things
we're really good at, and I think we're growing at those.
Even the advent of some of the cancer therapies, so
more of them are immune logic now that are actually
not the real intensive chemo therapies that kill the patient
and the disease both, but some of them are actually
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helping the immune system recognize the cancer is being foreign
and attack those cancer cells. And a lot of that
was s burn out of natural medicine and people doing
natural things that we're finding results, So then they began
to say, hey, this is helping, let's study it more.
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So I think in those things we are growing and
it is helping. I think what we need to do
is we need to support our healthcare people, the mid
level practitioners, the nurses, and the doctors, because they are stressed.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
When you do your genetic testing, what are you looking for?
There any things that jump out to you.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I look at grouping of So it's kind of difficult
because genes don't operate independently. Very few genes operate independently
from other genes. So genes work in groupings, and there's
specific groupings that might help with say depression. So there's
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specific groupings that genes that actually can help you pick
the right antidepressant. And maybe there's not a depressant that's
going to actually help that person. Maybe there's something natural
that's going to help that person instead. And when you
look at those genes, you can actually help read that.
So I look at grouping of genes. Each group and
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groupings help us understand what's going on with that patient more.
Some people have groupings for like the apoe three four,
which puts them at cardiac risk, but it also puts
them at risk for dementia. So I look for specific
things like that, there's specific ones and there's other ones
that can actually help your gut.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
If someone can't come see you in Florida and they
can't because of finances, maybe afford the rollout that you're
going to do. Is there maybe a said protocol or
some specific supplements. And I know everybody's different, but are
they any suggestions that you could give someone that would
even start to elevate their health? On a cellular level. Sure.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Number one is gluetthi. So glutathione is a peptide, it's
a tripeptide. It has over four hundred functions in your body.
Now I have to warn because a lot of people
are taking some of those that are Not all liposomal
products are created equally. Some of them they cause an agglomeration,
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so they agglomerate and they glue up, and then you
don't really get the effects of the glutathione in some
of the liposomal products. Some of the leposomal products, they
become rancid by the time they even are put on
the shelf. So not all liposomal products are created equally.
There's good ones and then some that maybe are not
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so good. But glutathione is key for a lot of
things because of four hundred functions in your body.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
So that helps.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
There is something I like, it's called tetracure that actually
helps reduce inflammation, an inflammatory process. It's a bioavailable form
of kercuman. Because kurcuman, you know, it's hard to cross
over into the cell and get it where it needs
to be, but it does. But there are some products
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out there that actually help you absorb them. A little
bit better. So I think those are good. And B
vitamins know what you are. If you're MTHFR, you need
a B vitamin that is a methylated form of B vitamin.
I'm finding probably eighty percent of my patient population have
genetic snips where they cannot tolerate regular B vitems. They
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don't absorb them, and then they wonder what's wrong. Well,
B vitamins help with depression, to help your immune system.
There's a plethora of things that B vitamins really help with.
So getting a B vitamin that actually you need from
my genes, I need a form called a dnisol carbolamine,
which is a specific form of B twelve because I
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have all these genetic glitches that I can't absorb the
other forms, and that form a dentisol gets to the
mitochondria much quicker and actually helps drive up energy. So
those are some of the key things I think B
vitamins are important. Glutatime is important, different things to decrease
your inflammatory response because inflammation is responsible for ninety six
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plus diseases.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Well, this is in your first book and maybe the
book that you co authored with doctor Lovell. Is there
anything out there that people could read. That kind of
would be a handbook. When it comes to the supplementation,
I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
To think of one because there are a couple that
I've read before and I can't remember the names of
them off the top of my head right now.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Well, there's the subject of your next book. There we go,
and we didn't I need to knuck doctor Krozer's supplement book.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, I did start writing another book. It's called pep Talk,
so it's about peptides. But I'm going to have a
part in there on different supplement and supplements that might
help with different things.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
When you think of the entire medical profession, the wide
scope vision, what do you see or hope to see
moving forward on how we treat the relationship between patient
and our medical professionals.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I hope that we will teach more compassion because I
think that we're so harsh. Not everybody, but there's a
lot of them are pretty harsh and they just lack
compassion in the field. You know, a lot of us
we went into medicine traditionally because we wanted to help people.
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We wanted to help people, genuinely help people, and I
think some of that gets lost because we get so
inundated with all the training and following all the protocols.
Protocols are good, they help guide us, but they're not everything.
We need to go past protocols sometimes, but we need
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compassion for the patient.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
We really do. You need compassion And not that I'm perfect.
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I get tired too, but we all need to be
more compassionate because I'll never forget what being that patient
that didn't have the compassion given to me.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
What's the farthest anybody has ever traveled to come visit
you at your practice in Florida.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Wow, Well, I've had somebody from South Africa. I don't
know if that's the farthest. I had somebody from Japan.
I've had quite a few from Spain. Probably, I would
say South Africa is probably the farthest.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Among other things, you're asked to speak all over the
world about neuroinflammation secondary to bioxin. I know those are
English words, but I have no idea what I said.
Explain that torfriciation.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
So neuroinflammation is inflammation in the brain, and neuroinflammation a
lot of times happens because of certain toxins. You can
have heavy metals that can induce inflammation. You have molds.
Molds put off something called micotoxes, and those micotoxins can
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be inflammatory to the brain.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Then you have other.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Environmental toxins like ballet bpcs, that's plastics, you have blico faiths.
You have different things that can cause an environmental toxes
that can cause inflammation in the brain. I look at
these inflammation patterns and I look at the different toxes,
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so I know, is this something that I can help
them with, because not all the neurodegenerative diseases are always
what they see. They can be caused from some of
these toxes. If we remove them and we help the
cell restore that, then they don't have the issues that
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they were having.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Is there a chap and verse in the Bible that
you've thought about or called upon more than others when
approaching the way that you practice medicine.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Now, well, I always go back to Leviticus, where you
know the people will told, hey, if you have mold
on your garments, had it out. If it comes back,
throw the garment out. If you have mold in your home,
you need to remove it. If it comes back. Take
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every timber and stone out to a place of defilement
and get rid of it.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
And why is that?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
And that's because genetically, most of the people with Hebrew descent,
they have a gene where they have a hard time
getting rid of those toxins. It's twenty five percent of
the rest of the population, unless near in my family
than it's one hundred percent. But you know, we have
a hard time getting rid of those toxins. So I
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always go back to that because I'm going like, God knew.
God knew that we going to have an issue getting
rid of specific toxins. So we need to look at
these toxics and we need to get them out of
our homes and get them out of our lives.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Did you receive any pushback when you were initially beginning
to change how you approached your practice from peers family members.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Oh? Yes, So I had some family members that were
They would call me and they said, hey, you need
to not do this, this is something you need to do.
My wife was encouraging to me. I questioned whether I
should leave the university because leaving the university, I had
a good salary, my kids had re education, I had
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a retirement, I gave up all of that to leave
and go out on my own and do this type
of medicine. So my wife was the only one that
really encouraged me. I had friends that said, no, you
shouldn't do this, This isn't right for you.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Is how are you going to feed six kids? Did
any of those come back to you now years later
and go, Okay, well, I think you were your You're
right there.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I've never had anybody tell me I was right, but
I've had some of them tell me, oh, I'm so
happy for you. You're you know, you're one of the
ones that everybody looks for to lecture, to to gain
knowledge from. Is you know, other physicians, because I want
them to understand science. There's science behind what we do,
and we need science.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
What has been one of the most amazing experiences of
your journey so far? Wow?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Well, O, man, I've had several. But I don't typically
treat ALS, it's not something that I do. But I've
had a couple of ALS patients come to me. It's
probably the most devastating disease ever. There's no hope for them.
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But they actually didn't really have ALS. They actually had
lime disease and when we treated their lime, they out
of the wheelchair and they began to walk. Now they
went back to the who they were going to, and
I won't say what institutions they were at. One said
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that doctor walked in, saw that I wasn't in a
wheelchair anymore and I was able to walk, and walked
back out said nothing. The other one said to me
that the doctor says, oh, I must have misdiagnosed you,
and walked out. Neither one congratulated and said, oh, I'm
so happy for you that you're better now.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
That is a small fraction.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Of the ALS patients, because I don't typically like to
treat als and it's not something I typically do.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
But that was a small fracture.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
So then I got other ALS patients and we didn't
have the same result because I couldn't find what actually
initiated their disease process. And I wish I would have
had more time to do it, but didn't, and so
we didn't have the same result. But those two people,
and it's still is warm to my heart to see
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that they were able to walk and they're still able
to do well today.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
You know, you would hope, you would want to have
faith that at least one of those doctors would have said,
what did you do?
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Tell me, yeah, exactly, But nobody wants to know. They're afraid. Well,
a lot of them are so arrogant that they don't
want to think that somebody else knows something that they don't.
And that's the biggest thing. I can learn, and I
can learn from my patients. So if they bring me
articles or they bring me something, I read it. I
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always want to be able to learn more, because we
always can. There's something more to learn in everything that
we do.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
You mentioned diet and trying to go organic as much
as possible. We hear a lot about the carnivore movement.
What are your thoughts on the carnivore diet. I'll tell
you what I've seen a couple of times. So I've
had a couple of patients do it without me knowing it,
and they act they did turn off their autoimmunity. I
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don't know why or how that happened, but they did
and it worked for them.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I think that's good. Do I think it's a sustainable
diet for a long term.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
I think for short term it might be okay for
some individuals, not everybody. I still think they're going to
be missing some of their nutrients that they get from vegetables,
and that concerns me because of the long term. I
think there could be some nutrients that they might be
depriving themselves from.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Now in a.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
True carnivore diet, they are going to be eating organ
meats which are going to have more of those nutrients
than just regular meat.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Well, you touched on it a little bit earlier. Do
you get very detailed when you give a patient, Okay,
this is the foods that I'd like you to see
eating percentage of this and percentage of this meat and
percentage of that. Do you get very specifical like that
with them? And when you send them on their way?
I like to, sometimes I don't always have the time to.
That's why I need a nutritionist in here with me
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as well. But it's hard to get a good one.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
So but I really would like to have one because
it's hard to spend that time.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
But I do like to break it down.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
So some people will notice on their genetics that they
really shouldn't be eating, you know, say gluten, and that's
not everybody, but it's some people who am dairy they
might have an issue on their genetics with dairy, so
I tell them you shouldn't be eating this. Let's do
a food allergy test. So I do food allergy. There's
(43:40):
a lot of people doing sensitivity testing. Sensitivities come and go.
I don't like the sensitivity testing. I like true allergy testing.
So it has an IgE. It has an IgG four.
IgG four is critical. Why because if you're high on that,
that is trying to prevent an IgE experience from happening.
(44:04):
And then you have part of your innate immune system,
which that is your C three, B and B. So
if you do a food allergy testing and you have
those components in there, it can help guide you which
foods you need to stay away from. I was eating
a lot of eggs, didn't realize I had an IgE
allergy and a C three B and D two eggs.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
And finally, doctor, I know this probably is unusual to hear,
but are you grateful for what you experienced going through
all that pain because of how it transformed you and
how it was the catalyst that has touched so many lives?
You know what I am?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I am truly grateful because through our pain, you can
turn your pain into healing to help others, or you
can turn your pain into bitterness and it won't help anybody.
So I am so grateful that I was a allowed
to experience that so I can help other people, because
(45:04):
that is the biggest issue for me, is how can
I help because of what I went through.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
It was an absolute joy to be able to finally
connect with you and have this time together. Doctors, thank
you so much for your life, for your journey, and
for coming on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Thank you, thank you for having me. It was great
to be here.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
The Good Foods podcast is for entertainment purposes only. The claims, comments, opinions,
or information heard should never be used in place of
your medical provider's advice or your doctor's direction. Thank you
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