Dr. William Davis, author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Wheat Belly and Super Gut.

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WILLIAM DAVIS, MD is cardiologist and author of the groundbreaking #1 New York Times bestseller Wheat Belly, three other New York Times bestsellers: Wheat Belly Cookbook, Wheat Belly 30-Minutes (or Less!) Cookbook, and Wheat Belly Total Health, and several other books including Wheat Belly 10-Day Grain Detox and Undoctored.

His most recent book is Super Gut: A Four-Week Plan to Reprogram Your Microbiome, Restore Health and Lose Weight that maps out what has gone wrong with the modern human microbiome and the specific steps that can be taken to put it to maximum advantage.  

Dr. Davis is a graduate of the St. Louis University School of Medicine, with training in internal medicine and cardiovascular disease, and advanced training in interventional procedures at the Case Western Reserve University Hospitals where he also served as Director of the Cardiovascular Fellowship and Assistant Professor of Medicine.

He has devoted his current efforts at providing tools and information that empower individuals in regaining and maintaining health. He lives in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi. I'm doctor William Davis, cardiologist and author of the
groundbreaking number one New York Times best selling week Belly,
plus my most recent book, super Gun, a four week
plan to reprogram your microbiome, restore health, and lose weight.
And this is the Good Foods Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
All of us are on a journey towards better health,
and we're grateful that you've allowed us to join you
on your quest.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
In this episode, in an ideal world, you go to
the doctor and the doctor says, Okay, we're gonna help
you become slender, better, physical activities, look better, better, skin better,
gash in testal health.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
We're going to help you have optimal health. They don't
do that. They write prescriptions for drugs and schedule procedures.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
This is the Good Foods Podcast. And now here's your
host show, Dan.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
I need to get some housekeeping out of the way,
doctor Davis. My New York to Texas girl Mary Brian Schrader,
creator of Mary's Nest, wanted me to let you know
that she loves your super yogret.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, it's a crazy thing. So what you turned the
cloth back ten or twenty years? Ladies lose their wrinkles.
We regained youthful musculature, your libido goes up. Guys have
a fifty percent rise in your testasterne ladies have older
ladies have a return of vaginal moisture and sensation. Bone
densi is preserved, and you like other people better. How

(01:31):
did you connect the dots prior to twenty fourteen that
eventually gave us your book Wheat Belly. What were you
seeing in your practice, in the media, or in your own.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Life at that time.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Well, it's an incredibly dull story, to be honest. I
make a lot of my new ideas by mistake, by
stumbling and bumbling about. Well, one of the things that
I did, so I was practicing what's called interventional cardiology,
and Milwaukee, Wisconsin, it just moved there. They brought me
in to set up all the new technologies, all the angioplasty, balloons,
rotational anthroteroct may, all the things we did to open arteries. Well,

(02:05):
then my mom died in New Jersey where I grew up,
of sudden cardiac death, several months after her successful angioplasty.
So it drove home to me how pointless, how inadequate
it was to manage this very dangerous disease heart disease
in a hospital laboratory. So I set out to try

(02:26):
to find better ways. And this was true thirty years
ago it remains true today. That is the best way
to identify your potential for dying of a heart attack
or a sudden cardiac death is a CT heart scan
that generates a carinary calcium score. A normal score is zero,
and people would have a score, say of four hundred,

(02:47):
and we help publish these data. If you did nothing,
which is not wise, a score of four hundred today,
which is a high risk score would be five hundred
and a year twenty five percent increase a year later
six hundred and twenty five online. As that score increases,
you're closer and close to dying or having a heart
attack or needing bypass surgery or those kinds of things. Well,

(03:11):
we help public these date also, So what if we
put you on baby ass sprint, a high dose of
lipidour to reduce cholesterol, a low fat, low saturated fat diet,
and an exercise program, how fast will that score increase?
Twenty five percent per year has no effect at all,
but makes a ton of money for the pharmaceutical industry.

(03:34):
My colleagues to this day have the gall to call
it optimal medical therapy. Well, what do I do? This
is thirty years ago. Now people are freaking out right,
they're having their scores go up. My colleagues are saying
things like, well we do a real test a heart capitalization,
see if you need some stens or bypass surgery. These
are people like you and me, going about their business,

(03:55):
going to work, riding their bikes, going for walks. These
are not people in the murdens from having chest pain.
These are every day to go about their business. And
my colleagues would submit these poor people to procedures when
it was not indicated. That's by way malpractice, and it's
done every day because it pays so well. So I

(04:16):
set myself the task of trying to figure out better
ways to put this twenty five percent per year increase
in PLAQ growth to a stuff, and it led me
down all kinds of unexpected paths. For instance, if you
reject this idea that cholesterol is a cause for heart disease,
which is not, it's nonsense, it's garbage. You should have
been discarded decades ago. You can do a better test.
That's called liful protein analysis. This case, using NMR nuclear

(04:40):
magnetic residence magnetic field, you can separate, you can quantify
and characterize the particles in the bloodshom and that cause
heart disease. Well, the number one cause, by a long
stretch is an excess of small particles, not elder cholesterol,
the actual particles. Well, the science is quite clear what
causes small ledeal particles. Consumption of wheat, grains and sugar. Period.

(05:06):
So I asked people to take it out, and they did,
and they'd come back and they say to me, you
didn't tell me i'd lose seventy three pounds. You didn't
tell me I would no longer be a Type two diabetic.
You didn't tell me my rosation, migrain, headaches, depression, anxiety
would go away. So by doing the opposite of dietary guidelines,

(05:26):
I stumbled that was the start of really trying to
examine better solutions, in this case for heart disease. So
I did it for heart disease, but I stumbled onto
a solution for so many other aspects of health.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
So when you started going I don't know if against
the grain is the right way, but away from the pack,
what were your peers saying, you know, what were they
whispering to you in the hallways about what you were doing?

Speaker 1 (05:50):
They said almost nothing, because you know, sadly, position education
is largely provided not by science, not by research, but
by the sexy saleswoman in a miniskirt in his waiting
room or the guy in a three piece suit, who
of course educates them based on their studies and their marketing.

(06:13):
And so most physicians are completely unaware of trends and
diet and health. It shouldn't be this way, but it
is true. If you want to be healthy, the last
person you talk to should be the doctor. The doctor
has no idea how to make you healthy. He's ready
with a prescription pad for lipitur and biological agents for

(06:33):
your rheumatarithritis, or hospitalize you and do procedures. They're very
good at that, but they suck at actually providing information
and strategies for health. So I actually had hospital administrators
come up to me. I came from a background of
doing hospital procedures. They collectedly and said, hey, where are
you taking you patients nowadays? I said here? They said, oh, yeah,

(06:54):
very funny, haha. I said, nobody to understand My practice
now is to help people become healthy. There are no
art attacks, there's no enginea, there's no heart failure, there's
a very acrial fibrillation. There's almost no need for hospitalization.
I had some non compliant people who still smoke and
did bad things, so they got hospitalized. But people doing
basic things like the diet, selected nutrients being replaced, et cetera,

(07:18):
didn't get sick. And so the hostile ad ministry will laugh.
They say, oh, very funny, very funny, you're making people
hell as sure you are. Huh. They didn't believe me,
so I need to much pushback because they didn't understand.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
You talked about eliminating GMO wheat from our diets, eliminating
processed sugars and sweeteners. Should we do it cold turkey
or do we gradually remove them from our diets.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
You know it's easier to do it cold turkey for
a variety of reasons. One of the reasons is when
you consume wheat and related grains. People don't think of
it this way, but grains are very promiscuous. They share
genetics very readily. So for instance, ry was the weed
in wild wheat fields, and they share genetics, so that

(08:06):
rye is versally the same as weed. It tastes different, right,
it smells different, but genetic it's like chimpanzees and humans.
You're a smart Homo sapiens. But if we had a
chimpanzee it did a genetica. Now you'd say, well, ninety
eight percent of that creature's genetics are identical yours, but
we can tell the difference, right, same with wheed rye.
This almost virtual identical genetics. So one of the effects

(08:30):
of consuming wheat and grains is exposure in wheat to
a protein called gladin. If you ate a pork chop
or a piece of beef for an egg, you break
those proteins down into single amino acids. When you eat
the glidin protein of wheat, or the sicclid of rye,
or the hordion of barley or the zen of corn,
we can't break them down. We break them down to

(08:52):
peptide fragments, in this case four to five amino acid
lung peptide fragments, and those fragments have opioid effects. They
bind to the opioid receptors in your brain and stimulate appetite.
Big Food knows this by the way, they know put
wheat or grains in everything because it amplifies appetite and

(09:12):
increases sales. So because of that, and it causes people
to be hungry all the time. So you eat your
cheerios at seven am, you're hungry. At eight thirty, you
eat a muffin, you're hunger. At ten you're counting minutes
to lunch. You have your sandwich with a whatever banana
and cottage cheese. You're hungry at one thirty two. This

(09:33):
is what happens when you consume the glide and derive opioid.
Pepties of wheat and grays eliminate. So if you just
cut back, you'll still be exposed to insatiable hunger. If
you eliminate them, you will go through a mile opioid
withdrawal process nausea, headache, depression, fatigue for about three to

(09:54):
five days. But then you emerge from that withdrawal process
feeling terrific and you're no longer hungry. It's noon in
where I in my car in the world, and I
just ate for the first time in the day. I'll
probably eat something light maybe by six pm tonight, and
I'm done. No other words, the whole notion of eating
all the time is a product of glide and derived

(10:17):
opioid peptides, and by the way, made worse by ridiculous
advice to cut saturated fat in cholesterol. That is an
absolute nonsense. There never was evidence to support that. When
you add back fat, remove glide and drive opioid peptides,
appetite reverts back to the way it should have been.
You eat hasually when you're hungry.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
I want to touch on the cholesterol thing because I
saw it, I maybe read heard years ago. There was
a said number. If you were at this number, then
they put you on cholesterol medication, and then they moved.
They weren't selling whatever the drug was they wanted to sell.
Big Pharma wasn't selling it, so they lowered the number.

(10:57):
And all these people like, oh, I've all these meds
high cholesterol. When you get a high cholesterol reading, you
know as a patient, you know, as people like you
and me, is that a bad thing.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
It's utter nonsense. So what I tell people is take
a big thit black magic marker and cross out the
total cholesterol and the eldal cholesterol on that cholesterol palets
garbage nonsense, it should have been abandoned decades ago. But
unfortunately what happened was pharma, farmschool industry realized they could
make a ton of money by this silly house of

(11:29):
cards called cholesterol testing, and could make literally hundreds of
billions of dollars. And they had, and they brainwashed my
colleagues to believe that cholesterol causes hard cholesterol does not
cause heart disease. At best, cholesterol is an indirect marker
for the particles, the light bulb proteins, the fat carrying
proteins in the bloodstream that do cause heart disease. So

(11:52):
this all began in nineteen fifties and early nineteen sixties
at the National Institutes held NIH and to research doctors
William Frederickson, doctor William Friedewel one to characterize the particles
in the blood from they cause heart disease. Well, if
nineteen fifty nine or so, they would take your blood,
remove the red blood cells, spin it down at high speed,

(12:12):
and it would layer out high density at the bottom,
very low density at the top. Nineteen fifty nine or so.
How do you count a number of particles in each leg? Well,
you can't. It's nineteen fifty nine so they said, well,
let's pick one component of these particles. They did know
what the particles were made of, and so they could
have chosen a papprotein B or triglycerides. They chose cholesterol.

(12:38):
They can measure the cholesterol in the entire fraction of plasma.
They could measure cholesterol in the high density fraction at
the bottom. They could measure cholesterol the very low density
at the top. But they decided we want to measure
in the middle level called low density lap of proteins. Well,
it was difficult to do in nineteen fifty nine, so
they devised a very crude equation to calculate it. These

(13:00):
are two smart guys. They accepted this is extremely crude.
If someone changes their diet, it validates the equation. If
you're a diabetic in a validic if you are overweighted
to validate it. But that became known as the free
to wall calculation for eldeal cholesterol. That today, if you
look at your cholesterol panel, you'll see eldeal cholesterol one
pint thirty five whatever in parenthes calculated. It's a calculative value. Now,

(13:25):
what happened to my colleagues and pharma was they said, oh,
we're measuring cholesterol as an indirect gauge of the number
of LPE bulb proteins. Cholesterol must be the cause of
heart disease. It's not the cause. It's a marker for
the particles that cause heart disease. Yet it's created this
prevailing idea that cholesterol is the cause for heart disease.
It has nothing to do with heart disease. Those lipoproteins,

(13:48):
and you can, by the way, I've been measuring lip
of proteins for over thirty years. It's easy to do.
But what happens when you do those measure light boat proteins,
the particles in the bluster, it cause heart lease. You
would need me realize heart disease is a disease of
diet does not require any drugs at all. Never You

(14:10):
can correct the whole thing with diet and some other things.
The nutrients, for instance, that effect insulin sensitivity, inflome resistance.
That's a big factor in amplifying the particles that cause
heart disease. For instance, if you don't get enough vitamin D,
it's a big factor. Because we live indoors, we wear
clothes in public, we lose the capacity activated vitamin D
in the skin after h forty, so add back vitamin

(14:32):
D some other nutrients and you drop. So if we
did let what's called an NMR nuclear magnetic resonance use
magnetic fields to characterize these light buld proteins, you would
see that by far the driving cause for heart disease
is an excess of small LDO product which caused small
ldel we grades and shutters amplified by instant resistance. So

(14:54):
we correct those nutrient deficiencies. Also, vitamin d omegacy, fatty
aids from fisshu oil magnese. Because we drink filtered water
I dying and we dressed a gas and tested microbilem
and small ldeo. A typical number would be two thousand
nanimols per leater part of the account for volume. You
will make weak grands of sugars address those common nutrient
deficiency and it's now zero or something close to zero.

(15:18):
In other words, you can eliminate risks for credive ascid disease,
heart attacks, sun and credit depth, need for bypass, et cetera.
With diet and nutrients, you do not need a ridiculous
drug to reduce cholesterol. So you appreciate the whole world
is built on this false notion that cholesterol causes heart
to sees it.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
It does not. I want to circle back to something
that you said about you know you each you had
your first meal about noon, and then you'll have a
light one at dinner. You're missing breakfast, dock, the most
important meal of the day. As we've been this been
shoved down our throat for decades. Do you eat when
you're hungry? Is that what's going on? Or did you
always eat this way?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Not always? No, wife, I have learned so many of
my lessons by blow during about so. I became a
vegetarian in my thirties, so this about forty years ago.
I'm in my late sixties now. I eliminate all meats
and all fats, ate only vegetables, fruit and old grains.
And I was biking, playing tennis, jogging five to six

(16:20):
days a week, so very active. I became a Type
two diabetic. I gain a lot of belly fat. My
triglycerides were three hundred and ninety. My HDL cholestero was
twenty seven. My fasting glue coast was one hundred and
sixty one. I had eighteen hundred animals of small ldal particles.
In other words, I became a metabolic disaster on a

(16:41):
loaf fat. So I stopped doing that and became non diabetic.
All I suffer versed tonight.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
But it was an.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Illustration to me how destructive the wrong diet can be.
So I didn't just wake up one day and understand
I made a lot of mistakes.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Well, we hear a lot about gluten. Should we go
with gluten free foods? Are they helping or hindering our health?

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Well, foods that are naturally gluten free, like an avocado
or an egg or a slice of beat, those are fine.
The problem is we have a predatory, exploitative, or ignorant
food industry that produces gluten free process foods like pasta,
gluten free baking mixes, gluten free muffins, and breads that
are made with cornstars, rice flour, tatiogus starch, and potato flour.

(17:28):
So very few foods. For instance, raised blood sugar higher
than wheat products because of the anlopechnina carbohydrate. And what
what foods raised bloods are even higher than wheat core starts,
rice flower tapio started. It's like a cruel joke. So
people would say this, I did your wheat belly lifestyle
and I gained thirty pounds. I'm a Type two diabeg. No,

(17:48):
I are you eating gluten free foods? Well, yeah, never.
The book is about No, it's not about that. It's
about or turned to all foods and never gluten free
processed foods. So, because of the ignorance and predatory practices
the food industry, gluten free processed foods are hard and
they cause heart disease. So the carbohydrates in those gluten
free foods trigger formation small LBL, just like the anelopectin

(18:11):
a of grains, and so gluten free processed foods are
caused for weight gain, type two diabetes, cognitive impairment, dementia,
and heart disease.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
I'm speaking with doctor William Davis, cardiologists and author of
the groundbreaking number one New York Times bestseller Wheat Belly.
Shifting gears to your book, Supergut, Doc. I've heard you
talk about trying to help people better maneuver or eliminate
the interference of the healthcare system.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
What do you mean by that? In an ideal world,
you go to the doctor and the doctor says, Okay,
we're going to help you become slender, better physical activities,
look better, better, skin, better, gas, intestal health. We're going
to help you add optimal health. They don't do that.
They write prescriptions for drugs and schedule procedures. I'm speaking generally.

(18:58):
Of course, there are some docctors who are enlightened, but
the vast rejar mainstream doctors have no idea how to
restore health. They don't understand nutrition, they have no idea
how to craft an optimal diet. They have almost no
knowledge of the microbiome, Mike Websey's huge factor in health.
They may say stupid things in fact, like oh, probiotics
don't work, or just take a probiotic, which is ridiculous.

(19:22):
And so they have this very superficial, if any, understanding
of actual health. So it's up to us, that is you,
me and your listeners to take on the role of
providing your own health because the doctor is not going
to do it.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
What is CIBO and how do you know if you
have it?

Speaker 1 (19:40):
So CBO is small and testinal bacterial over uth. And
I personally was guilty of thinking this was a rare thing.
It's not. It's everywhere. By my conservative estimation, half the
US population has How do I know that? Well, let's
look at all the efforts, look at the studies to

(20:00):
ask this question. In condition blank, what proportion tests positive
for SEBO? And there are ways of tests for it
by testing for hydrogen gas and the breath because microbes
produce hydrogen gas, but we don't. So how about this
in obesity? What proportion testpot was one hundred and eight
million Americans with obesity? Fifty percent test positive. Well that's

(20:24):
fifty four million people right there. How about your obio
syndrome IBS. There's sixty to seventy million marriage with IBS.
So many studies have shown it varies from studying and study.
But about thirty percent test positive for cibol. So that's
another eighteen to twenty some million people right there. Add
up all neurodegenitive disorders Alzheimer's parkinsonism, Blugaray's disease, add autoimmune conditions, bibermyalogia, depression,

(20:52):
add all the conditions humans are subject to, you easily
easily exceed one hundred million people more towards one hundred
and fifty. I thought that was, like, this can't be true.
Until this came out the consumer device. It's called the
air divide. This is the original one Aire. This is
the more recent one. This one measures hydrogen gas. This
one measures hydrogen gas plus methane because there are also

(21:15):
methane producing microbes in the giatrec and I started talking
about this, and people started testing, and lo and behold,
it's everywhere. Now this has major implications for help because
of science has become quite clear. So small intestinal bacterial
overgrowth means that vecal microbes. So we've taken antibiotics, we

(21:35):
get exposed to glycissa round up herbicide, we get chlorinate
and drinking water, we take stomach acid blocking growth. These
are all things that cultivate the pliferation of fecal microbes.
So fecal microbes like E. Coli and samon Ella campelobacter,
these microbes proliferate because we've lost many beneficial species from

(21:56):
those antibiotics and other things. These fecal microbes plif rate
and then ascent into the twenty four feet of small intestine.
Now is small intestiness very permiable by design. That's where
we absorb nutrients like vitamins and minerals and amio acid,
So this small intestin is very primal. But when fecal
microbes come to inhabit small intestine, they only live for

(22:18):
a few hours, so there's trillions of microbes turning over rapidly.
When they die, they release some of their toxic components,
including something called lepo polysaccharide endotoxin. Well that is released
upon their death and then it enters the bloodstream. That's
called endotoxemia. And we now know with good evidence that
endotoxemia from cebo drives weight gain, obesity, type two diabetes,

(22:45):
autoimmune diseases, emotional and brain issues like depression, anxiety, cognitive impairment,
muscle and joint issues like fibermyalgia and rheumatarthritis, metabolic issues
like diabetes and heart disease, and atrial FB. In other words,
we've got to rethink almost all human disease in light
of the contribution of the microbiomea microbiob but specifically ce

(23:10):
bo and endotoxemia.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
So other than getting your book super good, that'll be
the first thing to get How can we combat that?
How can we get ourselves healthy if we're constantly being bombarded.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
So we restore microbes, so We've lost numerous microbes, and
two of the most important are lack the bacillis reuteri
r e U T e r I and lack the
basilics gaserde. Those are important because they so most microbes
colonize the colon, but these two microbes are among those

(23:41):
that colonize the small intestine and colon. So we restore
Rutari and gasride. They take up residents in the small
intestine where they produce what they're called bacteria sense, natural
antibiotics effective in killing vehicle microbes. So we restore these microbes,
and we do it as yogurt. It's not yogurt. I

(24:02):
call it yogurt because it looks and smells like yogurt,
but it's not yogurt. And we use my method of
a pro long fermentation. So microbes don't have sex, right,
there's no there's no mommy and daddy microhones. One microbe
becomes two. It just doubles itself. So Ruttorife, for instance,
doubles every three hours at human body temperature, so we're
gonna let it double twelve times thirty six hours. I

(24:25):
perform something called flow seychometry. The count the number of microbes.
We get about three hundred billion, three hundred billion per
half cup serving. We consume this yogurt. I call it
sebo yogurt. And to my great surprise, using the air
device as our measurement, over ninety percent of people who
do this get rid of seaboat, which completely surprised me.

(24:47):
I did this to help people reduce bloating in diarrhea.
I did not expect people to eradicate their sebo as
testing with the air device. Sometimes people have mild cases
of seaboat. Just replacing RUTERI lack the mistles rutori can
sometimes get the job done. Also, you have to do
it for four weeks or longer to get this done,
but it is working now. The great thing about replacing

(25:09):
RUTTERI is while yeah, it pushes back those fecal microbes
invading your small intestine, but to get all these other
effects such as a restoration of youthful muscle. Ladies love
it because they start to lose their skin wrinkles, They
lose their crows feet around their eyes, they lose the
smile lines between the eyes. They start to lose their

(25:30):
nasolabial fold and forehead wrinkles. They get increase the skin moisture.
Many experience of fifty percent rise in testosterone. Older ladies
who have vaginal acrophy dryness will have a restoration of
vaginal moisture and sensation. There's an increase in libido, there's
an acceleration of healing, there's an amplification of the immune response.

(25:51):
There's also effects mediated by the hormone oxytocin that many
people recognize the hormone of love and empathy, and it
is that also, So you feel greater intensity of love
and affection for the people close to you. You have
acceptance of other people's opinions, you have a desire for
human companionship, you're increasingly generous. So you know, I don't

(26:13):
think it's distracts to say we're stowing this one micro.
In this case, lack of misiles rodoriy makes us better
a human beings at a time where almost everybody's lost
that micro. Almost everybody's lost it because of the antibiotics
and other factors, and a time of record social isolation, divorce, suicide,
and the increase in narcissistic behavior. That's true, by the way,

(26:36):
I was not aware of for a long time that
the psychology community has been formally tracking and measuring narcissistic
behavior since nineteen sixty three, and the increase in narcissistic
behavior is a forty five degree in CLI SO nineteen
sixty three true, horror false, I am a very important
person in this world nineteen sixty to say. Thirteen percent

(27:00):
of people say, yes, I am a very important person
our time. Eighty three percent people said, Now, there's other
factors involved, of course, social media and maybe child gally practice,
et cetera. But here's something we can do something about.
We can replace this lost microbe, and I see it
playing out in real life. People who replace rotari. Yeah,

(27:21):
smoother skin, better muscle, increase, libido, increased testostro, et cetera.
And you like people better, You're more accommodating to people,
You're more generous, so you're younger, and you're a better
human being.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Should we be including fermented foods fermented drinks in our
diet on a regular basis in addition to your yogurt,
Absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
One of the easy, inexpensive, accessible things that people can
do is consume fermented foods like kafirs, him chi, yogurt's yogurt.
You may not the garbage in the grocery store. Vegetables
you ferment on your kitchen count is very easy to do.
You do need to use filtered water, you don't want chlorine.
You do need to use non iodized salt, because all

(28:06):
these things are anti microbuilt. And you can make fermented cucumbers, pickles,
fermented cabbage, all kinds of things. And with the great
thing about those fermented foods in addition to being accessible easy,
and you can buy them, by the way more and
more commercially. Though, if you're buying commercial fermented foods like salabrod,
I leave them out on the kitchen count for at
least a few days to allow fermentage go fast, to

(28:28):
go further, because most food production is abbreviated for the
purpose of getting things out for profit. But you eat
these things and they have microbes like I'm sorry about
these names. Look at our stock mezentroidus or pedicoccas pensationous.
These are microbes, interestingly, that don't colonize the human gas
and testo track. They just pass through. But when their

(28:51):
passage from mouths to toilet, they act like farmers and
cultivate a whole bunch of healthy species. These are speci
like acron cvcalibac here in that have all kinds of
wonderful effects such as deeper sleep, increased muscle, reduce blood sugar,
reduce blood pressure. So fermented foods themselves, those microbes don't

(29:14):
take up residents, but they cause a periferation of species
that do provide huge effects. So consuming lots of fermented foods.
I tell people a fermented food of one sort or
another every meal. How about much is kombucha good for
us as well?

Speaker 4 (29:28):
I know it's fermented drink, but on a regular basis,
daily basis, weekly basis.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
You know, kombucha is like many other formend food, can
mean many different things. There is a very popular commercial
product called gt that has a fungus sacri mice and ballardii.
Very beneficial. It also has some other species, most lack
of basilla species. I think it also has basilla's coagulance,
so very beneficial. One of the most important things you

(29:53):
can do, by the way, is get that fungus sacrimiced ballardii.
It's a cousin of sacrimics Seraphicia, which is the fungus
that is used to make wine and beer. So Ballardia
is a cousin suited better adapt to human body. When
you get ballardia, by the way, it makes the most delicious.
It could be kombucha. But we also fermend juices. So

(30:16):
for instance, take some apple cider or some other juice,
the pulpy or the better. Just make sure there's no
preservatives like potassium, sorbake or sodaum benzoate. Just juice. You
want to say, ingredients, apples, period. Subplot that. Take a
capsule of a commercial probiotic called Flora store. You can

(30:36):
get this at Walmart, Walgreens, Target Myer, whatever, mb that
capsule into the juice. Agitate slightly, cap lightly loosely because
you'll see it at twenty four hours starts to bubble
because there's so much calmed oxide being produced and if
you cap it two times, gonna explode, so you have
to keep it capped lightly. Let it go for about

(30:58):
sixty hours. The sugar will be gone. So we don't
drink juices because to sugary. But here the microbes will
consume the sugar and then we consume maybe a quarter
a half cup once or more times per day. One
of the most important things you can do to rebuild
a broken microbiome because that fungus, like fermented foods, does
not take up residence, but it cultivates the beneficial species

(31:20):
that do provide you with all kinds of health benefits,
including protection against antibiotics.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
I've heard you say that FODMAP isn't the problem, but
rather the microbes of cebo that are nestled in our
gi tracks are Can you please tell us what is
fod map and expand on that a bit.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
So A low fodmap's diet is often advised to people
with Eurobowel syndrome IBS to reduce bloating, diary and abdominal discomfort.
But it's also there are many people who have food
intolerances like to FODMAPs, yeah, fibers and sugars, but also
to night shades like eggplant, tomatoes, or histamine containing foods

(31:57):
like wine cheese, or to nuts or to fruit that
contains fructose. So all these food intellergent, it's pod mass
and otherwise there's nothing wrong with the food. There's something
wrong with you that is your microbiome, so it's sea boat.
These are all examples of seboat. So you address the
sea bowl and the food intolerance is go away. There's

(32:20):
no need to avoid those foods. So if I said
the way to get rid of seaboat small intestino bactol
over is to surgically remove your small intestine, you would say, well,
you better be damn confent. That's necessary, right. But what if
I said, the solution can be something that looks and
smells like yogurt that you make in your kitchen and

(32:43):
generates all these other benefits smoother skin, restoration, youthful muscle,
better libido liking people. But well, you don't have to
behold that confident. In fact, I kind of regret calling
it sebo yogurt, because what we're really doing is replacing
what are called keystone species. That is very important foundational
species that you should have had from your mom when

(33:05):
you were born by passage to the birth canal and breasted.
But your mom may have lost it because she got
antibiotically you til the antibiotics twenty years ago or whatever
upper restaurant fight you lost. So we're going to restore
this microbe, and it's one of the steps you can
take to eradicate this very common problems. Small intessel back
to your low growth, well, that brings up another point.

(33:25):
If you're born by c section, you don't go through
the birth canal, correct, you are at a disadvantage day one.
The whole process of pregnancy and birth nowadays is an
absolute disaster because of what we've done to the microbiome.
So pregnant moms often don't have the microbe lack of
miscills crispotis in their cervix, uterus, and vagina, and that

(33:47):
increased the likelhood of still births, miscarriages, and premature labor.
Moms have lost by fittebacter and fantis that they should
have provided to the baby passage to the birth canal, restfeeding,
and that baby is better able to metabolize human milk
Oligo sac rides a nutrient in breast milk. If the
baby has by fitterback here and fantas and breastfeeds, it's

(34:11):
going to be less prone to asthma, type one, diabetes,
obesity as a teenager, other conditions, and will have better
neurological maturation and a higher IQ if the baby has
this micro that most ladies have lost and the child breastfeeds.
So this idea of sea section and or formula feeding
is an absolute disaster of health. Unfortunately, as we all know,

(34:35):
sea sections are out of control because of litigation, because
of safety, and because of the better payoff to the
ox attrition for performing a sea section over vaguon delivery.
And of course you would think as important as baby
formula can be, you would think it would be optimized
and be a wonderful product. No, it's garbage. There's so
much wrong with baby formula. So we're not going to

(34:58):
reinvent baby formula today. So the best thing is to
for a mom to try to. I know it's not easy.
I know very well two grandchildren who were recently remember
born in the last two years. I see how difficult
it is for a healthy woman to breastfeed for more
than a few months. But you gotta at least try.
Does all healing have its origins in our gut? I
can't say all healing, but I will say healing is

(35:21):
magnificently influenced. So for instance, in the original mouse trials
performed at MIT with restoration of lack of the mistles rotariy,
they did a lot of crazy things use mice, but
one of the things they did was inflict purposefully skin
wounds puncture wounds, and they saw that healing time was
cut in half. In humans, it's cut by about thirty

(35:42):
five percent. So healing is better. The healing wound is
more collagen rich, it's firmer and stronger. So we now
know with confidence that microbes like lack of the mistles,
rotoray and others playing major roles. You know who knew
that these microscopic creatures you can't see the naked eye,
play a huge role in healing. In your hormonal status,

(36:07):
in the way you view other people, on whether your
life is dominated by hatred or love and empathy, your
testosterol level, your vational health, the size of your testicles.
People think of big Michael biomas being something that determines
whether you have constupation or diarrhea or bloating. Well, it
does that too, but it has effects on virtually every

(36:29):
aspect of health, including your attitudes, your internal dialogues. What
are you most proud of when it comes to the
books that you've published. I think my ability is to
see things and see patterns and things, And when I
saw that heart disease was miserably mismanaged that in fact,
conventional advice to manage heart disease causes heart disease. If

(36:49):
we tell people, for instance, cut your saturated fat, eat
more healthy whole brains, that is a formula that causes
heart disease. So when I saw, oh, all that did
not work, and that you had to do the opposite.
Never limit fat, never limit calories, never eat grains, and
it's will hurt me. That wonderful things happen. And more recently,

(37:14):
this idea of replacing lost keystone microbes like like the
missless RUTTERIY, like the missiness gas right, And it's not
really a stretch to say that. What we're doing is
I'm in my late sixties, but I can go up
the stairs two at a time, I can ride my bike.
I can do things. By the way, when I first
restored rutter eye some years ago, I don't know about you.

(37:35):
I hate going to the gym. Can't stand it.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
Kids, So I go fifteen minutes once a week. That's
all I can take. I'll do other things. I'll ride
my bike and go for walks. It but go you
to the gym for the machines fifteen minutes so I
can stop it. Well, So I started replacing rutter eye.
Go to the gym once a week fifteen minutes. I
gained thirteen pounds of muscle in three weeks, and my

(38:01):
strength increased by fifty percent. So, for instance, I was
doing lack bull downs one hundred and thirty pounds for
ten repetitions. Within three weeks, I was handling two hundred
pounds weights that I last handled in my twenties. So
we're seeing this now, we're seeing seventy five year old
people mountain biking firm shoulders, not like Schwarzenegger. Lady is saying,

(38:23):
I don't want to look at ll don't worry. You're
not go Arden Schwarzenegger, but you'll get a restoration of
the musculature you had in your twenties handstruck. That has
not only benefits for appearance. You feel better, you're firmer,
you're more confident in your gate and you're walking upstairs
and carrying groceries, but you're also less prone to falls,
fractures and railty. Well, let's talk about hard heel. What

(38:45):
does the diet look like for that? And I also
want to touch on you know you were vegan, and
I assume you're not vegan.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
What does doctor Davis do? What does his diet look like.
You know, what's incredible, isn't it? That so much prevailing
common wisdom is flat raw. So we reject the idea
of cutting fat and cholesterol. So we eat meats. If
you have beef, try to get it from a better source,
maybe not a factory farm, but eat the fat if

(39:13):
you can stomach it. Eat organs, have some heart, have
some tongue, Have sausage with casings the intestinal casings. Never
limit fat, never limit calories. Eat more vegetables, of course, legumes,
rude vegetables. So it's just a return to real foods,
to kind of foot your great grandma eat. If you

(39:34):
said I never eat liver, I don't eat kidney or
thymus or bray, she goes, hey, what's wrong with you?
We're supposed to eat those things. And by the way,
so one of the things that's been lost with this
idea of cut you're saturated fat and cholesterol is the
abandonment of consuming organ meats and thereby sources of collagen

(39:55):
and hyaluronic acid. So what happens when you restore in
the hyaluronic acid vice eating more organ meats or just
getting sub college of peptides and what happens well, skin
is smoother, there's an increase in dermal thickness, dermo collagen.
Joints are healthier. You regrow joint cartilage, you increase the

(40:17):
lubricating synovial fluid of your joints, you increase brain health.
Ladies have a return to vaginalm moisture because the uterocervice
in the vagina is largely hyaluronic acid. Now, couple that
have with wrodoy you get a big, big, big effect.
Ladies in their seventies say, I have sex with my
husband now and it's wonderful, where before they were dry

(40:37):
and had pain upon penetration. So a lot of things
that people strut with are due to this distortion of diet.
So it's a return to real whole foods. Now. We
also restore caronenoids. So if people get their food, say
in a clamshell from a restaurant or drive through window,
you're getting garbage. You're getting process and ultra processed foods.

(40:59):
And one of the things lacking are carotenoidse like bita, carotene, lutine, xeasanthin,
kryptosand and astes aanthen so we'll replaced crotinoise. My favorite
is astesanthin that's the pink or orange color in lobster crabs,
as shrimp and salmon, and we restoxanthin and just adding
that one thing. Adding astesanthon to your routine shrinks your

(41:21):
waist several centimeters a couple of inches, reduces inflammatory phenomena
like joint pain and skinner ashes, and gives you better
skin and protect you from sun damage. So what we're
really doing is we're not treating people. We're restoring factors
lost in the modern dietary experience. When you do that,

(41:44):
put them together, you get these spectacular synergistic facts.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
What are your thoughts on antibiotics because I've taken them,
probably everybody that's listening that's taken them, and they help us,
They help us heal, but don't they just wreck our guts?

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah? So you know, we can't do away with them
because there are there's no questions, there are times we
need them. If you have new macacla pneumonia, you need
an antibiotic. Are you gonna die? If you have a
flavored urinary tract infection that's ascending to your kidneys? Filing
with frightens and sepsis. You're gonna die unless you take
an it. So there's no question there are times you
need them. The problem is about half, or to the CDC,

(42:19):
about half of antibiotics prescribed are not necessary or are inappropriate,
most commonly for respiratory for viral infections. So you don't
need so you need to question every time, do I
really need this? So except that there are times you
will need it, and there are steps you can take.
I hadn't taken antibody recently. I had a dental crown
put in ot forty years ago and it failed, so

(42:41):
I I was getting an implant. Well, they're gonna draw
a hole in your jaw. If you don't take an antibiotic,
you're at risk for osteomilitis infection of the jawbone, and
that is catastrophic. You get a long standing ivy put
into your chest or intravenous antibiotics. No, you don't want
an infections virsual from an implant. So I took an antibiotic,

(43:02):
but I was doing sacrimic ballardi eyed juices, kombucha, kafirs, yogurts,
crmented veggies. To be honest, I dreaded taking that antibiotic
because I thought one of the effects I get is
antibiotus kill lacked the pistil's rotarii and one of the
effects I get from lack of business rotarise in deep sleep.

(43:23):
I went from a terrible insomniac terrible to deep sleep
every night straight through, almost never awakening eight and a
half nine hours. So I dreaded going on anybody. I
thought I'd become an insomniac and get it. Had two
weeks of misery, you know, two o'clock in the morning,
watching TV, trying to fall sleep in a nod that's
not all about you, but I can't sleep. I started

(43:44):
to review all my screw ups in life. Don't know why.
So I was dreading it. But I took the antibiotic
while doing all those other things. Krombuchha, kafir at nothing,
no loose stools, no insomni nothing. Now it still does dan,
But I think by taking steps like this, you can
minimize the harm that antibiotics revoke. Well, I want to

(44:07):
touch on that a little more.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Someone is, let's say, waking up multiple times midnight and
having insomnia and just tired, and they come to you,
and they meet you and they find out what you're about.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
And that's the one thing they asked, how can I
improve my sleep?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Doc?

Speaker 4 (44:21):
What would you say?

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Well, you won't find us in the scientific literature because
it's our discovery. That is, just by doing it and
hundreds of other people doing it, you can restore rutter eye,
this lost microbe, and most people experience not only just
deep sleep, but also vivid dreams, a vivid childlike dreams.
You're flying, monsters are chasing you, you show up in
English class, your underwear, all that kind of stuff you

(44:43):
had as a kid all comes back. Now here's a
crazy thing. There's another microbe lack though bisillis kCi Sei
Shirota strain is from Japan. It's sold as a commercial
product called Yakut white Akult. You could fight it in Target,
in the Meyer, in Walmart and the dairy refrigerator, little

(45:05):
bottles called Yakult, and it provides that microbe at low counts.
So once again, like Rotraye, we're gonna make yogurt out
of it so we can increase it. And so I
did that. I combined RUTTERII with lack of usess CACI
I was trying to insomnia. I'm sleeping twelve hours a night,

(45:25):
no awakenings. I had to stop it because you and
I have things to do. We can't sleep twelve plus
hour or somebody. But we're learning that there are microbes
that have profound effects. Lack of missiles, fermentum, the three strain,
and another strain that has major influence. I say so,
there are numerous microbes with major influence on sleep. Now

(45:48):
it's not just sleep, it's also anxiety, panic, depression, appetite.
In other words, microbes have major influence. We all thought
that we are in command. Microbes have profound effects. Unreally,
the way we feel, the thoughts we have, whether we're
filled with hatred or love and infection, whether we shoot

(46:12):
up people at church within AR fifteen, or whether we
give generally to charity, these are all to a large
degree influenced by microbes, ROADORWII. He keeps saying that, and
I want to make sure I understand that correctly. Can
we take that as a supplement or is that in
our foods? You can take it as a supplement. So
the original source was from a company called Biogaia biogaias

(46:36):
a Swedish company, and they produced a product called Gastros
gs t r us for babies because they did some
studies to show that infants who took this probiotic had
less regurgitation of breast milk or formula, had less diarrhea.
But that's as far as it went. But then the
subsequent science showed that it has so many other effects.

(46:56):
So that was the original product. They now have a
product called osportis us Fartis that has five billion microbes
per capsule. If you're going to ferment these things as yogurt,
you died about two billion to start. So we took
ten tables of gastros and crushed them to ferment or
one capsule of the Osportis. Now I formed a company.
I don't want to say the name, but we formed

(47:16):
the company also is going to be making you run
away available also at high counts, so you can get
these microbes. Now, you can take them as a capsule
if you want. But the magic of yogurt making is that,
let's say you take the os fortis five billion, you
ferment it as yogurt, it's not yogurt. You get three
hundred billion per half cup serving. The higher than microbial

(47:38):
count the bigger the effect in general. So unfortunately, most
commercial probiotics sell you microbes in very low counts, and
that's because it's very ex costly. It costs a lot
of money to make these microbes, and so they tend
to put a billion, two billion, five billion, something like that. Well,
we're just for very low costs making what looks like

(48:00):
yogurt and increasing the microbe accounts more towards three hundred billion.
But a lot of people will say things like this,
I'm sick and twer and making the yogurt. Can I
just take it as a capsule. And that's why we're
coming out with products that we're convenienced. Many of us
understand that eating fruit is better than drinking fruit juice
to gain more of the nutrients and avoid a glucose spike.
But what about sodium?

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Does the bodies processing of the naturally occurring sodium and
plant and animal food sources work the same way.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Sodium has a weird history. So it began in nineteen
twenty four when the FDA recognized that a lack of
iodine caused goiters and large styary glands. This was a
huge problem. This was from all throughout human history. If
you go to Rome or Paris and go to the museums,

(48:49):
look at these statues of the painting, you'll see people
with guiters. So guitters people have died of them. If
your great grandma is you, say, great grandma, tell me
about goiters when you were a little girl, say oh,
you wouldn't believe it. My next door neighbor died of one.
She gained one hundred pounds, had a demon everywhere, and
died or became so big it suffocated her. This was

(49:11):
a huge problem. So the FDA recognized nineteen twenty four
was do to lack of iodine, and so they asked
salt manufacturers put iodine in salt, iidized salt. Now in
nineteen twenty four, a lot of the US population was
it was illiterate, and there's of course no TV, no internet,
no radio. So they launched a poster campaign, use more

(49:31):
iodized salt, keep your family goiter free. So Americans used
a lot of salt. Well in the nineteen seventies and eighties,
the USDAFDA other agencies said hey, we're having too many
too high blood pressure. Now, other problems of sodium retention,
quit using all that salt. So they retracted their original

(49:53):
advice to use iodized salt, not recognizing that it wasn't
the salt that was at fault. It was their die
cutting fat, saturated fat and equiporation processed foods that causes
sodium retention. So people cut back, the salt's coming back,
goiters and hypothyroidism is coming back. The problem never was sodium.

(50:16):
In fact, when you launch on this lifestyle, no wheat,
no grain, no sugars, unlimited fat, never limit calories, those
kinds of things, we actually have people salt their food
and water. So I learned years ago if you do
that and you lose the sodum retaining properties of those foods,
this is because of instant resistance by the way those foods,

(50:37):
cutting fat, grains processes which cause instant resistance that in
turn causes sodium retention. I learned that if you do this,
no weed, no grandzil, sugars, blah blah, people pass out
from old blood pressure. So we have people salt their
food and salt their water in the first week of
doing this, so we need salt. Salt is good for you.

(51:00):
Once again, conventional dietary advice is tragically wrong.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
Expanding on that a bit, for many, there is a
huge difference between adding salt to our food versus sodium
found in many processed foods. Why is that?

Speaker 1 (51:13):
What's the difference there? Well, salt makes food taste better
and it conceals things, so you can get a huge
meta sodium, for instance, in can sodas or bottled sodas,
and so of course, part of what we're doing is
rejecting consumption process and ultra processed foods. So we're not
eating mac and cheese, we're not drinking soda, we're not
eating microwaveable dinners. We're eating real food. We're eating eggs

(51:37):
and pork chops with the fat, we're adding more olive oil,
we're still getting sodium. By the way, American Heart Association
recommends that you consume no more than fifteen hundred milligrams
of sodium, which is less than a tea spoon, and
that has been shown to increase your like of dying
from heart disease. So once again American Heart Association advocating
a lifestyle that causes heart disease.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
And finally, tell me how how the doctor Davis microbio
masterclass came about what is it and what are some
of the takeaways from it?

Speaker 1 (52:06):
So it's sad, and it's going to sound terribly cynical,
but it's true. If you want to know something about
the microbiome, you want to be tested for cebo, you
want to know how to recognize cibo, you want to
know how to eradicate it using microbes. If you want
to use microbes for smoother skin, a restoration, youthful musculature, reduction, anxiety,
getting rid of your fibromyalgia, facilitating weight loss, shrinking your abbot,

(52:30):
ask the doctor he or she has no idea what
the hell you're talking about. So we've got to learn
on our own. So if the doctor is useless, I'm generalizing.
Of course, there are some doctors who really do know
what they're doing, but the vast majority of mainstream dots
have no idea. Well, it's such a huge error, like nutrition,
it's so huge, it is a major determinant of your

(52:53):
health and longevity. Well, how do you get this information?
So one of the things I did was I created
a very deep held class. It's a little bit complicated,
no question, but you will walk away from that process understanding,
how to use microbes to reduce our threatus pain, how
to look and feel younger, how to increase your testostro

(53:13):
how to enjoy a return to bagel moisture, how to
accelerate healing, how to return youthful immune response, to be
not impervious but nearly previous to viral infections. All these
things can be accomplished, but some knowledge is required. Which
microbes were keystone microbes, roll of fermented foods, wire fermented

(53:35):
foods with these weird organisms doing all kinds of great
things for us. So all that stuff is in this
micro Biomaster class. It's an effort to help people take
the reins themselves.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Doctor Davis, it was an honor to have you on
the podcast, and I am very grateful that you made
time out of your schedule to be with me today.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Well, and thank you and thank you for doing what
you're doing because it's so essential.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
You know this.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
You're from the world of media. Major media has blocked
people like you and me because of the proliferation of
direct consumer drug advertising. They don't want people like us
talking about health. They want people talking about drugs and procedures,
and so what you're doing is sole valuable.

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