Sina McCullough, PhD, expert in Nutrition, Disease Reversal, Functional Medicine and co-host of the Beyond Labels podcast.

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I've suffered from fatigue in my life but not to the extent that I didn't have the energy to even lift the sheet off of my body while in bed. You'll hear that story from Dr. Sina McCullough and others, as well as how she came back from the brink to eventually heal her body.

That is her core message when you get right down to it, how the body has this amazing ability to heal itself, if you only pay attention, aid it in its process and let it do its work.

Dr. McCullough is the creator of the online program "GO WILD: How I Reverse Chronic & Autoimmune Disease," which teaches people how to reverse chronic and autoimmune diseases in a step-by-step manner.

Dr. McCullough is an expert in Nutrition, Disease Reversal, Functional Medicine, Exercise Physiology, and Energy Medicine, as well as a certified Natural Healer™, Master Herbalist, and Gluten Free Society Practitioner. She is the author of two books: HANDS OFF MY FOOD and BEYOND LABELS, which was co-authored with Joel Salatin from Polyface Farm.

Dr. McCullough is the co-host and co-producer of the Beyond Labels Podcast alongside Joel Salatin. She also hosts a cooking show titled Intuitive Cooking with Dr. Sina and writes for The Epoch Times. She earned a PhD in Nutritional Biology and a B.S. in Neurobiology, Physiology and Behavior with a minor in Exercise Physiology from the University of California at Davis.

She also taught Biochemistry and Bioenergetics at UC Davis. Prior to becoming a homeschool mom, she was the Director of Research and Development for a nutraceutical company. Dr. McCullough nearly died from an autoimmune disease; however, through the grace of God, she was able to fully heal without the use of medication. Now she is dedicated to helping others find their second chance.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello. I'm doctor Estina McCulloch, creator of the online program
Go Wild How I Reverse Chronic and autoimmune Disease, as
well as an expert in nutrition, disease reversal, functional medicine,
exercise physiology, and a master erbilis. And this is the
Good Foods Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
All of us are on a journey towards better health
and we're grateful that you've allowed us to join you
on your quest in this episode.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
So, the majority of the gluten free products are made
using rice and corn, but rice and corn contain gluten.
These products are not actually gluten free. Now, the company's
not doing anything illegal, They're not doing what I think
is ethical. We've known since nineteen seventy nine that some
people will react to corn.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
This is the Good Foods Podcast. And now here's your host,
shaw Dan.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Sina. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
Can we let me start back around twenty fifteen? How
was your house back then?

Speaker 1 (01:03):
So in twenty fifteen, I was at Rock Bonadelm. I
was actually still in my thirties, yet I was diagnosed
with an advance case of rheumatoid arthritis. In fact, it
was so bad that I couldn't wrap my hand around
a cup. I couldn't walk up the stairs without getting winded.
It hurt just to sit up in a chair. Every

(01:26):
time I breathed, my ribs hurt. They felt like they
were going to break. When I chewed to eat food,
it felt like my teeth were going to fall out.
I was so fatigued that I basically laid in the
bed or on the floor all day long. This was
around the time that I also developed mussel wasting like
a cancer patient would experience. I remember one month I

(01:49):
lost over fifteen pounds, even though I was eating constantly,
so I would have an avocado with real salt on it,
and I was just shoveling that in all day long,
and I couldn't the muscle wasting. We later did find
out that along with the rheumatoid arthritis, I had arsenic
poisoning and of course leaky gut right who doesn't have

(02:11):
that nowadays? Right? And I had such severe nutrient deficiencies
that I was borderlined for both barry berry and polegra,
which are both B vitamin deficiencies, and both of these
diseases can lead to death and paralysis, and interestingly, they
were eradicated in the United States by the mid nineteen hundreds.

(02:35):
But we're seeing a resurgence of these micronatrient deficiency diseases
in modern day. And the interesting part about that is
that even though I was that nutrient deficient, I was
actually taking a high quality multi vitamin mineral supplement every
single day. In fact, I used to formulate supplements, so
I knew the best of the best, and I was

(02:56):
still deficient in those two B vitamins as well as
thirteen other nutrents. So it was a very challenging, difficult time.
When I say rock by them, I mean that we knew.
My husband and I knew that if we couldn't turn
it around very quickly, then I wasn't going to be
around to see my kids grow up.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Did you have any health issues growing up or how
did this start? Do you know?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yes? So, if you want to go all the way
back actually to the womb, right, and this isn't something
that's largely talked about, but my mother was very stressed
during my pregnancy, and if you want, we can get
into like attachment disorders, attachment trauma and things like that
in childhood traumas. But to try to shorten this version

(03:41):
of the story. She was very stressed, and so when
I was born, I was chronically constipated and I could
not digest milk, like even breastmelk. So they ended up
putting me on a soylac formula and then I developed
a s that's tivvy to soy. But so that started
my childhood, and then all throughout childhood I had chronic

(04:02):
air infections. They were persistent. I ended up having tubes
in my ear. At one point, I was so distended, right,
I was constantly anally constipated, but just gassy, and that
was what I thought was normal because that's all I knew.
So I spent most of my life in that state.
As I got older, let's say my early twenties, this

(04:26):
is when the symptoms started to really exacerbate. So at
the beginning of my twenties, when I was in college,
they started with gastrointestinal issues, so beyond just the bloating,
Like I could eat a piece of pizza, for instance,
from my favorite pizza restaurant and I was fine, and
then the next week I can go back eat the
same pizza from the same restaurant, and I was buckled

(04:47):
over in pain. Ramping I mean it was debilitating. I
was getting so bloated actually that I would look like
I was five months pregnant, like during the meal. Like
it was crazy. So initially I did seek help from
western medicine doctors like right away. And the first doctor
diagnosed me with irbil bow syndrome like IBS, which as
you know, is just to catch all group, right, And

(05:10):
he actually wanted me to take tagament, a prescription medicine
every time before I was going to eat. And I
was like, I'm twenty you think for the rest of
my life I should be dependent on a prescription medicine
just so I could eat. But it's crazy. So I
even said them at the time there has to be
a root cause, right, and keep in mind I'm only twenty, right,
But I was like, this doesn't even make sense to me.

(05:31):
And the doctor was like, well, I don't know, but
I can send you to a specialist, and I say, yes,
do that. So literally, I just spent like over a
decade bouncing around from one specialist to the next, I
mean you know the story, right, racking up the medical bills,
nobody having any answers. I actually saw so many doctors
and I had so many procedures done that I ended

(05:53):
up losing count. I know, I had three sidamot ascapes,
three colonoscopies, I had breath test, urine tests, fecal tests,
blood test, and at one point I even had exploratory
surgery because we couldn't figure it out. This whole time,
nobody had any answers. Meanwhile, my symptoms kept getting worse

(06:16):
and increasing in number, so I developed nausea brain fog
like I'm talking about severe brain fog where I would
read a children's book to my five year old and
I couldn't remember what the book said. And then I
had chronic fatigue as I mentioned, just laying on the floor.
I developed chronic sinus infections, like every six weeks, I

(06:37):
was getting another sinus infection, increased susceptibility to colds and flus,
and then a delayed recovery, so my family might get
over a cold in like three days and I'd have
it for two weeks. I also developed kidney stones, which
were excruciatingly painful, a massive hair loss. At one point
I lost over half my hair, and I developed ultiple

(07:00):
food sensitivities. I mean, by the end, I actually dwindled
down to a half a sheet of paper the list
of foods that I could eat. Like that's how limited
my food choices were. And for me worst of all,
I ended up having five miscarriages during this time period.
So I saw help from western medicine doctors for over
twenty years, and no one had any answers in any

(07:23):
time that I mentioned I think this is related to
diet because when I eat, I get super bloated. They
laughed at me, and then the final doctor who I
saw said, Okay, you've seen all these specialists had all
this tests, like there's nothing here. We can't figure it out.
So the symptoms have to be in your head. Yeah.

(07:43):
I was like, dude, if it was in my head,
don't you think I could stop it? Like? Who wants
to be sick?

Speaker 3 (07:50):
You know?

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I mean I joke now, but at the time this
was so devastating to me, Like this system that I
was raised in and raised to trust and believe in,
they just turned their back on me and they're like,
you're lying, you know, leave the office, right. So at
that point I told my husband, I was like, look,
if we're going to figure this out, like if we

(08:11):
have any chance of me living living with any kind
of quality of life even We're going to have to
figure this out together. So my husband became my co detective,
and he actually has a PhD in chemical engineering, so
he was a great partner. In scouring the scientific literature.
We stumbled upon something called leaky gut, and it was
not well talked about at that time. It's not like

(08:32):
today where you hear it even in the mainstream media.
So we theorized that it was I had leaky gut
because I was consuming man made chemicals like pesticides, herbicides,
GMOs and glutens. So I switched to an entirely organic diet,
and at the time what I thought was a gluten
free diet. Right, I eliminated the wheat, barley, rye, and oats,

(08:55):
So I also knew I had to heal my gut
if I had leaky gut. So I tried so many
friend dietary protocols. I mean, I tried gaps haaleo, the
candida diet, you name it. I tried it, and I
would get better for a few days, and then I
would get worse than I was before. So it was
kind of hard to figure out what was going on.
I did diet elimination reintroduction, and I was trained how

(09:18):
to do that right in graduate school. That was what
we were trained to do. But and I was able
to figure out most of my triggers except the remaining few.
So at this point in my journey, I was never
eating out. I was eating everything from scratch. Everything was organic,
you know, everything was gluten free. But a new symptom appeared,

(09:39):
and that was low grade muscle pain. And there was
no rhyme or reason. It seemed to just radiate throughout
my body and it was accompanied by the extreme fatigue.
And this is when I hit my tipping point. So
this was in twenty fifteen. As I mentioned, my whole
family got the flu. They recovered in two days. I
ended up passing out and having to go to go

(10:00):
to the emergency room and I spiral downhill from there
and that's when it progressed to the severe muscle waste scene.
It was hard to breathe, I couldn't walk up the stairs.
I couldn't stand long enough to wash one dish. This
was the first time in about twenty years of looking
for an answer that I was actually scared. This is
when my husband and I knew that I wouldn't lift

(10:22):
to see my kids grow up if we couldn't figure
something out and get on a radically different path. So
that's when I actually just surrendered everything over to God.
And I remember really vividly. I was laying in the
bed and every morning my husband would come up to
the bed and he would carry me out of the
bed and carry me downstairs and put me on the couch.

(10:44):
And I had two sons at the time, and my
oldest was five, and he would put food on the
coffee table and water so that they could survive and
I could survive while he was at work, and I
would basically lay on the couch and listen to online
health summits on my laptop for like forty to sixty
hours a week, like desperately trying to piece this puzzle

(11:05):
together and find an answer so that I could live.
And I remember the morning that he came to pick
me up because I couldn't physically move the sheet off
my body, and so I just knew that the end
was coming near, and so I laid there and I

(11:25):
just started bawling, and I just surrendered, and I said, look,
I can't do this on my own. I've tried. I've
tried every resource I know. We've exhausted ourselves for over
twenty years. I will do whatever it is that you
need me to do. Please save me so that my

(11:45):
kids don't grow up without a mother. And I made
him a promise that if he saved me, I would
spend the rest of my life helping his other children
find their second chance. And it was that day, and
granted I had been listening to thousands of hours of
online health summits that day, Bam, he gave me the

(12:07):
first piece of the puzzle, and then the puzzle pieces.
If you've ever had this experience, it's amazing, and I
hope I can do this justice. I asked him to
show me how to heal the body, and I was
sitting up and I asked him how, and it was
like fireworks going off in my mind, but it was

(12:27):
pictures and words, and he showed me the pathway. And
so what I realized was, oh, this is a roadmap.
This is a roadmap of how to reverse all of
these chronic and autoimmune diseases because the etiology of these
are actually all very similar, so they all have the

(12:48):
same roadmap. So I started to do that, and I
think of it like an onion, and you know it
has the different layers, and when you reverse disease, you're
peeling back the different layers of the onion. All of
these outer layers of the onion are all the physical
triggers for disease. So this first part that he showed

(13:09):
me was all of these outer layers of the onion.
It was all these physical triggers. And everybody has these
same five stops on the roadmap, but they have their
own specific triggers at each stop. So gluten was a
trigger for me. Maybe kale is a trigger for you, right,
Like some of my triggers were actually foods that we

(13:30):
think of as healthy, So like chicken was one of
my triggers, eggs, bay leaf. Right. This is why it
was hard for me to do diet elimination reintroduction, because
I didn't think to look for bay leaf right as
a possible trigger. But I was highly reactive to bay leaf.
And I'm not talking about allergies here. I'm talking about
food sensitivities which often go undetected.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Right.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
So what I did was I learned about functional testing,
the right kinds of testing to do, which are much
more advanced than the ones you'd find in a Western
doctor's office. Those are the tests that picked up all
the numerous deficiencies. Even though the western doctor's office tests
that I had zero deficiencies zero. Meanwhile, this nutritional functional

(14:13):
test that showed up with fifteen different nutrient deficiencies. Right.
So we found all these physical triggers, including the arsenic poisoning, which,
by the way, I got that from eating the supposed
gluten free foods because most of them contain rice, right.
And rice is we now know because of the way
that it grows submerged in water, and arsenic is water soluble.

(14:36):
It sucks up the arsenic right. So I was poisoning
myself trying to do something good for myself by believing
that gluten free label. So we found all the physical
triggers and we remedied them, and I kidch you not.
The body's so amazing. The once I found those final
food triggers, within three days, three days, I woul off

(15:00):
the floor, like I could actually get up off the
floor and not feel fatigue or in pain. It took
about a year in total to reverse all of the
ailments that I had suffered from. But here's the cool
part is that well, I mean, it's all cool, but yeah,
but here's the part that fascinated me because I'm a

(15:23):
Western trained scientist, and I grew up believing in Western medicine,
and we are trained that the body is a machine, right,
and we're still trained this way too, in Western science
and Western medicine, that the body is a machine. It's
stayed up all these different parts and as long as
you have each of the parts, the machine should work properly.

(15:44):
And so what we know now is that's not actually true.
That the body is actually an energetic being and specifically
we're light energy. But this is the component that I
thought was there was most shocking to me and reversing disease.
So after addressing all these physical issues, the physical triggers,

(16:04):
a Western doctor would diagnose me as being in remission, right,
and remission is usually something that's highly sought after. Right.
People rejoice when they get into remission, right, like the
doctor's like, yay, we helped you.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Well, here's my thing. Remission to me is actually just
the limiting belief. So if you look up the definition
of remission, even according to the National Cancer Institute, they
will say remission is a decrease or a disappearance of
sign or symptoms of cancer, but it says the cancer

(16:42):
may not all have disappeared. Incomplete remission, all signs and
symptoms of cancer have disappeared, but cancer may still be
in the body. So that's like their own definition, right,
you don't have the sign or symptom, but cancer may
still be in your body. And that's what they say
remission is. And if you look up at the dictionary,

(17:03):
it's a temporary recovery or debatement of symptoms. And I thought,
you know what, I don't want to live in that fear, righte.
A fear that if I stress too much, if I
eat the wrong food, this disease may actually come back.
Like that's not a good quality of life. And now
we know the fear itself is actually at the root
cause of all disease etiology. So I actually decided that

(17:26):
remission doesn't exist, that I was just not going to
believe in it, right, and so what it meant to
me but they classified me as a remission, And what
it meant to me was I just haven't found all
of the triggers yet. So I kept looking and that's
when God showed me the emotional layer of disease. And

(17:49):
now I find it kind of humorous because all of
us know intuitively that our thoughts and our emotions can
change our biology. Right, So like, have you ever been
embarrassed in your cheeks tre read right? Or when you
go on your first date, maybe your hands got sweaty, right,
Or maybe you had to give a big presentation at

(18:09):
work and you got butterflies in your stomach. So we
know that our thoughts and the associated emotions behind those
thoughts actually change your biology. We also know the placebo
effect that if you believe someone is going to heal you,
you'll be healed. The flip side of that is the
no siebo effect. If you believe you're going to get sick,

(18:30):
you'll get sick. The Framingham Heart Study, which is one
of the most comprehensive and influential investigations into heart disease
in all of history, they actually showed that in that study,
women who had similar risk factors for heart disease. In theory,
they should have all developed heart disease in similar numbers, right,

(18:51):
But that's not actually what happened. The women who believed
that they were prone to heart disease. They were almost
four times more likely to develop heart disease than the
women who didn't believe they were prone to it. So
we have these powerful, documented examples in the literature of
how a negative belief can make you sick. And we
know that stress is associated with disease. The CDC even

(19:14):
admits that they haven't said like ninety to ninety five
percent of all illnesses are either caused by or related
to stress. Well, what stress? Stress is an emotional imbalance, right,
so we already know this intuitively, you know. And I
can go on and on and on.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Well, let me just say this. When you were talking
about the you know, your brain going off, you were
given the angelic GPS. Girl, that's what that was.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Oh I love that. Oh my goodness. I've never actually
perceived it that way.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
But you're right. People don't believe me. But that's magic.
That's true magic there.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
You know it is because it's an interesting thing, and
people who are who are sick or have been chronically sick,
I think, can relate to this. You start to feel
guilty because you perceive yourself as a drain on the
family and those around you, and you have all these
dreams and aspirations of like, for instance, the kind of

(20:08):
mother or parent that you wanted to be, the kind
of wife or husband that you wanted to be, and
you're not living up to your own expectations, and so
you can tend to feel shame and guilty. What I
learned in my healing process was my health journey was
one of the biggest gifts that was ever given to

(20:28):
not only me, but to my family for multitude or reasons.
Number one, my children now have a deep sense of
gratitude for both myself and my husband because they know
they always lost us me in particular. My children also
know that they do not need to fear disease right,

(20:49):
And that's a remarkable gift to have, especially at a
young age, because think of all the fear that's behind
a disease label. Right when someone says, oh, I have cancer, right,
our heart goes out to that because in our culture,
cancer is a death sentence. Each of these disease labels
in its own right, is actually a death sentence because
in our culture it's not promoted that you can heal

(21:11):
from these types of conditions. You've actually just been labeled
with something that's going to follow you around for the
rest of your life and only get worse, and the
doctors might be able to quote unquote manage the symptoms
with prescription drugs. That's living in fear, which fuels disease.
My children will never have to deal with that. Not

(21:31):
only do they know how to not get sick, but
if they do happen to get sick, there's no fear
there because they've seen that you can reverse any of
these kinds of chronic and automune diseases. So ultimately it
turned out to be a bless scene from my entire family.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
All Right, So you mentioned attachment trauma and your mom.
What's the story there, what's the connection there?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yes, So, with a baby is growing in utero, the
baby service system does not regulate itself efficiently, so, for instance,
it won't know how to come out of a fight
or flight response. So when you are startled and you
go into a fight or flight, the body will activate
the sympathetic nervous system, so you'll go up into a

(22:15):
sympathetic state. And that's a gift from God because it
allows you to fight or flight, right, So fight that
tiger or run away from that tiger. Okay, Once the
perceived threat is gone, the body comes out of that
sympathetic state back down into a pari sympathetic state. This
is the calm, digest repair state. Right, most of us

(22:37):
are flipped. Most of us spend about seventy percent of
our time on average in the sympathetic state, which is
the opposite of what we think our ancestors did. We
think they maybe spent thirty percent of their time in
this sympathetic state. Majority was of the pair of sympathetic.
This is very important if you want to heal any
kind of disease, if you want to have good sleep,

(23:00):
if you want to have great mental clarity, for instance,
if you want to build your connection with the divine
or the quantum, or whatever your belief is, you need
to spend the majority of the time in the paris
and pathetic state. So most of us are flipped. What
most of us don't actually realize is that that wiring
of our nervous system started in the will. So because

(23:24):
the baby can't regulate that stress response cycle properly, its
nervous system will co regulate with the mother. So, for instance,
if the mother has a lot of stress during the pregnancy,
the aorta comes down along the uterist and the baby

(23:44):
can hear that. The baby can hear the elevated blood pressure,
you know, the pulse, the elevated pulse rate, the heart rate.
And so when that happens, the baby's nervous system views
that as there's danger. There's danger outside in that environ
I need to prepare for it. Okay. Sometimes, if the
mother has a disregulated nervous system, which we're all kind

(24:07):
of on this continuum of disregulated nervous systems, if her
nervous system is chronically disregulated, that entrains the baby's nervous
system to be disregulated. So what that means is if
the mother is in a chronic state of fight or flight,
she's sending that message to the baby. And the way
I like to think of it is what is fight

(24:29):
or flight? It's a fear response. And so the message
that her nervous system is sending to the baby's nervous
system is of fear. So now when the baby is born,
the baby already has a disregulated nervous system, which means
the baby can't complete the stress response cycle on its own,

(24:51):
and the baby will be more triggered to a stressful incident,
and so what we see so let's bring this to
a practical level for people. So what we see is
coping mechanisms become developed over time and the body tends
to choose coping mechanisms that it has learned worked in

(25:11):
the past. This is one reason why it's hard to
change habits. For instance, so one coping mechanism is binge eating.
And one of the reasons why is because your vegas
nerve goes down along your throat. When the vegus nerve
is stimulated, it helps to shift you from the sympathetic
state to the paris sympathetic state. So if you eat

(25:33):
and you swallow, it stimulates the vegus nerve. This has
a commune effect. So this is one reason why when
someone has developed that coping mechanism of binge eating, it
is really difficult to change that habit. Another coping mechanism
might be you're a shopaholic or you work too much.
So this is one of mine. When I start to

(25:53):
get stressed or feeling overwhelmed, I'll go to my computer
and just start working. It's a distraction. Your coping mechanis
that is anything that distracts you from that emotional imbalance
that lies underneath. A lot of people get distracted by
doing social media. That's one of the top ones. Maybe
it's you jump from one project to the next because

(26:15):
you have to constantly be going. You have that hamster
wheel thinking in your mind. You can't sit down, so
like if you're watching a movie, you can't just sit
there and focus on the movie. You got to be
like doing your nails or something. In children, this often
presents as irritability, sarcasm, even and things like hanging upside
down on a couch. The blood rushes to the head.

(26:38):
It helps calm the nervous system. A child who needs
to jump up and down a lot, like on a
little trampoline, children who need a lot of rhythm. If
a rhythm will help regulate their nervous system. Right, those
are some ways that these coping mechanisms show up. So
it's a kind of a way to maybe self diagnose
if you have some of these things going on, or
you see it in your child or your grandchild. There's

(26:59):
a relation that's happening there with the binge, eating and
the vegas nerve that reaction. Could you massage that could
you replace the binge eating with that movement. Oh sure, yes,
that's a great question and great idea. So you can
do that if that feels Worth's right to you. I'm
a big advocate of promoting doing what your intuition tells

(27:22):
you to do, because you are the best experts, right
you are, So you can rub there if you want.
But you could actually do any type of exercise that
is going to stimulate the vegas nerve and calm you
down into the parasympathetic state. So it could be as
easy as I have a pencil right here. So say

(27:44):
you're the office and you got stressed, overwhelmed, you want
to start binging. You can just grab your pencil and
close your eyes and just start feeling every single piece
of this pencil with your fingers, Like feel the writing
on it, feel if there's grooves on it, feel the
sharpness at the tip. It helps you come back into

(28:04):
your body. You can take off your shoes, you know,
if you feel comfortable doing that, and scrunch your toes
into the carpet. For instance, if you're able to. A
great thing is to go out onto a lawn that
hasn't been sprayed, scrutch them in the lawn and drag
your feet, pick them up just barely and drag them
across the grass, grounding while you're making of things that

(28:27):
you're grateful for. It could be as easy as you're
going to start petting your arm as though you have
a dog. You're petting your arm like you've pet a
dog or your leg. So these are all simple things
you can do anywhere, and the point is it's to
bring you back into the body and that will help
you calm down. There's some other really great somatic exercises

(28:49):
that we could do if you wanted to go that
direction as well.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
You know, are you just talking about stroking like a pet?
That just brought to mine the movie Phenomenon with John Tiolta,
which I love, and I forget what was happening in
the scene, but he told Kira Cedwick's character, how did
you feel when you know, when you had your children?
And she closed her eyes and she was like rocking
her baby, and that was taking her back to calming

(29:14):
her down.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yes, yeah, I never saw that movie, but I can
visualize that as you're explaining it. You know, you'll see
kids even rocking. That is a mechanism to help them
calm down. You'll also see some more extreme behavior, so
like somebody might hit their head, like on their hand
or on a wall. And part of that is it's

(29:35):
an escape mechanism, right, that's a coping mechanism to escape
from the emotional imbalance. And let me add that there
are also childhood traumas that are called averse childhood experiences.
So there's attachment trauma that happens in the woomb and
roughly ages one and two, and then there's adverse childhood

(29:55):
experiences that happened throughout childhood. Okay, so both of the
can set you up for a disregulated nervous system, which
can lead to any type of chronic or autoimmune disease
that you can think of, any type of mental imbalance event, ADHD, right, autism.

(30:17):
All of these are somehow in some way related to
having a dysregulated nervous system, because if you think about it,
the nervous system actually controls every part of the body
hormone production. You know, for instance, which enocren's molecules are
going to be released, right, which genes are going to
be transcribed and translated. The nervous system controls all this.

(30:40):
In addition, to all the things we don't think about,
like breathing, the heart rates, you know, sweat glands. Right,
these are all controlled by the nervous system in utero
and in childhood. If you have a disregulated nervous system,
you are now predisposed to developing these types of conditions
which I call imbalances instead of diseases, but you're predisposed

(31:03):
to developing them later in life. You can obviously change
the nervous system, you can rewire it, right, so you
can reverse any these conditions. But to that point, there
are all kinds of experiences that happen in childhood that
we know as traumas now. And when I say trauma,
that's a very charged word. So what I like to

(31:24):
think of is a trauma is anything that actually overwhelmed
your nervous system. So they're highly individualized. So for instance,
I saw Jaws as a child, right, the movie Jaws,
and it terrified me. It was actually an adverse childhood
experience or what we call an ACE, because it overwhelmed

(31:46):
my nervous system. I still to this day cannot go
into the ocean like past my knees because I'm so
freaked out that there's going to be a big jaws
shark there that's going to attack me. So all of
that is to say that the childhood trauma can be
something as major as your parents got divorced, or physical
sexual emotional abuse, physical emotional neglect, someone in your family

(32:10):
was incarcerated, there's an illness in the family, substance abuse
in the family, financial difficulties. It could be your bullied
at school. I mean, how many of us were not
bullied in school? Right? There's a whole range of different
types of trauma that can occur in childhood. And the
reason I'm harping on this is because I think that

(32:35):
childhood trauma is the most overlooked risk factor for all
chronic and autoimmune diseases. This includes all things anxiety, difficulty, sleeping, fatigue,
hormone disruption, and rebalance, every other imbalance you can think of.
And there's actually studies that had documented this. One study

(32:56):
actually showed that they looked at over thousand adults, all right,
they said that if you had two or more aces, okay, two,
so that means like your parents had financial difficulties and
you were bullied in school or you watch Josh right,
So just two or more aces, and this study said

(33:17):
you were one hundred percent more likely to develop a
romatic disease, So like rheumatoid arthritis, You had a seventy
percent increase risk for developing type one diabetes, multiple sclerosis,
hashimotos psoriasis, you had an eighty percent increase risk in
developing lupus, IBS, allergies, or chemical sensitivities. They also concluded

(33:42):
that in women, the correlation between these childhood traumas and
developing an autoimmune disease is as strongly linked as smoking
is to cancer.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Right, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is the most
overlooked risk factor. And I think part of it is
because it's like, we don't really believe that emotions can
cause disease or imbalance. And I think that's largely because
of the message of mainstream media and mainstream medical system,
because they're chasing the physical, right. Everything you do when

(34:17):
you go into a doctor's office is pretty much chasing
the physical markers. If you think all the lab work
that they do, those are all biochemical markers. You're chasing
the physical body. But here's the really cool part that
I learned on my journey is that the physical body
is actually downstream of your emotional energetic body. So we're

(34:40):
all familiar with the analogy that the body is a battery,
and Western medicine agrees with this right. They have lots
of thousands of studies showing this that we have a
current of electricity running through our bodies. Okay. Albert Einstein said,
anytime you have a current, you generate an electric feel

(35:00):
and a magnetic field, and we call that the electromagnetic field,
or the EMF. This is basic physics. Now, what we've
known is that that means the body generates its own
native EMF, and we measure this. Western medicine measures this.
It's documented in the scientific literature. We can also measure

(35:22):
different EMFs from different organ systems. We can also measure
that if the organ is diseased or sick, the EMF,
the amount of electricity it's generating, for instance, decreases, so
the field shrinks. If it's healthy tissue, the field expands. Okay,
so this is not wo woo science. This is all documented.

(35:44):
The National Institute of Health actually coin the term biofield.
Biofield is in a shorthand version. It's the collection of
all of these fields that your body generates, So add
them all up and this is your biofield. Okay, So
here's the really cool part. The bile field is just energy.

(36:05):
It's waves and particles, right, And what are emotions? Emotions
are actually energy. They basically are energy that resonates at
a specific frequency. And these have been measured as well.
So we know that a positive emotions like joy and gratitude,
they resonate at a high vibrational frequency. Compared to negative

(36:30):
emotions like anger or guilt, shame, those resonate at a
low vibrational frequency. So here's what happens your emotions. We
talk about them being stored in the amygdala, that part
of the brain, but here's the thing. They're actually stored
in the bile field. They are energetic imprints that are

(36:51):
stored in your field. And so, as I said, this
field is upstream of the physical body. So let's make
this practical. Everybody has heard that from Western medicine that
your DNA dictates your disease state. Your DNA is the

(37:12):
one that determines if you're going to get sick, if
you're going to have heart disease or cancer or whatever, right,
But that's actually not true. Even if you think about it.
We know that there's epigenetics, right, we know the food
you eat can turn on and off genes. Okay, but
think a layer removed from that. Okay, So what else

(37:33):
would turn on and off the genes. Well, we know
that there's structured water that's involved in turning on and
off the genes. But then what controls the structure of
the water. It's actually the biofield. So the biofield sends messages,
these vibrational frequencies to the physical body, telling it what

(37:53):
genes to turn on, what genes to turn off, for instance.
And that means the struction manual for your entire body
is not actually in your DNA. The instruction manual is
actually in your biofield. So it is literally sending messages
to your body on how to create your body. So,

(38:14):
if you have stuck emotions, we call these trapped emotions
in your field, right, it's an energetic imprint in your field.
And let's say these emotions are of guilt and shame. Okay.
These emotions boil down to fear, fear of not feeling
loved and not being good enough. So if you hold

(38:37):
the energetic imprint of fear, that is the instruction manual
for your body. So it is constantly sending a message
of fear to your body, which means you will stay
in a state of fight or flight. It is telling
your genes, hey, there's a tiger chasing us. It's not
a physical tiger, but it's in what we call an

(39:00):
emotional tiger. And your body sees that emotional tiger is
constantly chasing you. So it's going to upregulate your stress hormones.
You're going to produce more cortisol chronically, you're going to
produce more adrenaline, right, and you're going to stay in
that chronic state until you change the structure manual in
your biofield. That is the power of your emotions. So

(39:22):
that's why you can go into remission by removing the
physical triggers, but the disease can come back because you
have not changed the instruction manual in your biofield. That
can only be changed once you release those emotional imprints.
When you release them, that leaves room for higher vibrational

(39:43):
frequency emotions of gratitude. So that's the goal that core.
You know, the onion I spoke about that has the
different layers to peel back. The actual core of that
onion is this energetic emotional component that is at the
root of all and autoimmune diseases. And this is also why
we see spontaneous remissions or spontaneous healings. For instance, in

(40:08):
the medical literature, these are not rare cases. I think
it was about ten years ago you saw one like
every month being published in the medical literature. One journal
even published that the spontaneous remission of cancer is not
a rare occurrence, and like it was undeniable that you
could actually spontaneously reverse cancer. And most of those cases

(40:30):
of spontaneous remission, not surprisingly, happened through an act of forgiveness.
And so what does that do? When you forgive, you
release those negative emotions, and when you release them, it
makes room for joy, which literally changed that instruction manual

(40:50):
in your field. I'll just give one quick example. This
is my favorite example of this phenomenon. This is documented
in the medical literature. There is a woman who had
stage four care answer. Her doctor said, it's inoperable. There's
nothing we can do, like basically go home and get
your affairs in order. Okay, So she goes home and

(41:10):
she decided that she was going to gather all her
girlfriends together and light a big bonfire in her yard.
And she was going to burn everything of her ex
husband because he had an affair on her. So she
wanted to just close it all out. Right, this is
the end, I'm going to get rid of everything. So literally,

(41:31):
they have this huge fire. She's throwing everything in their
burning it. She's screaming, right, she's like cursing out him.
She's angry, and everything okay. By the end of this
burning party, she and her friends were laughing. She had
gotten rid of all of the anger, the guilt, the shame,

(41:51):
and she had replaced it with joy and gratitude. So
she goes to the doctor and the doctor says, oh,
my goodness, the cancer's gone. It literally dissolved. Because disease
cannot exist at a high vibrational frequency. It exists at

(42:12):
a low vibrational frequency. And she changed her frequency. Isn't
that remarkable? Like that tells you the power of emotions,
but also the power that each one of us has
to actually control our own health, even when we think
it's spirally not out of control, right, even we think, oh,
you know, the body is attacking itself, Like I hate

(42:34):
that definition of autoimmune disease, the body attacks itself. It's
not the body is trying to actually protect you. It's
doing it the only way it knows how. You just
don't understand the signs that is showing you. It's trying
to communicate, right, So the body is not attacking you.
The body's trying to communicate with you. And if we
can learn to work with the body, you can heal

(42:54):
from any type of disease or imbalance that we have labeled.
In Western Metay, we hear this a lot.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
I know this from people that are close to me
in personal experience. People cutting themselves, people hurting themselves. How
can the shift be made there to not necessarily distract them?
But as you said, what the vegas, you know, massaging
the vegas nerve or the pencil, What would be a
good example of getting them to refocus on something else
so that they don't cut themselves. Or maybe there are

(43:25):
two or three cuts and then they stop, and then
they shift and they they change that pattern, because that's
what it is. Write a pattern.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yes, yes, it's a pattern. And so like I said
in the beginning, it's difficult to change these patterns because
the cutting worked for them, So the cutting worked to
help the nervous system basically get out of the sympathetic state,
so the nervous system will go back to what it

(43:52):
knows worked. Okay. So oftentimes what I have found is
that you need to add in somatic work. So one
key indicator is if you can't change a habit, you
might need to do somatic work. If, for instance, you've
tried meditation and it just doesn't work for you. Maybe
you can't calm the mind down, you can't focus on it, okay.

(44:16):
If you have tried positive affirmations, for instance, and you're like,
oh my gosh, I've tried it and I'm visualized with
it and I'm trying to feel the emotion attached to
that visualization and it just doesn't work. Okay. These are
some signs that somatic work might be very helpful for you.
Because what happens is in order to change like the
cutting behavior that you're talking about, or any of them,

(44:39):
the binge eating the shopaholics, to change that, you need
to rewire the nervous system. And in order for the
nervous system to be willing to be rewired, it has
to feel safe if it doesn't feel safe. It's like
it locks down and it won't let you change those
neurinal connections. Okay, if you are spending stem percent of

(45:00):
your day in fight or flight the messages I'm not safe,
you're gonna have a really hard time rewiring the nervous system.
So what you can do is you can reverse engineer
with the nervous system. You do that by giving the
body a felt sense of safety, and that's key, a
felt sense of safety, and that's through somatic work. So

(45:23):
I'll give you a couple examples. There's a lot of
different sematic exercises you could do, and you can even
just google sematic exercises to rewire the nervous system, and
there's tons of articles about it and YouTube channels with
practical tips people can use. But strategies, So a couple
that I like to start with is orienting. So what

(45:45):
you're doing is you're getting back into your animalistic instinct. Right.
These are things like think of a lion out on
a prairie. How is he going to make sure that
he's safe? So you use your eyes a lot, So
you're gonna go into every room of your house, for instance.
So you start with one room out of time. So
let's say I'm in my office. I Am going to

(46:07):
use my senses to identify if there's anything in this
room that I think might harm me or that's triggering
a stress response in me. So what I'm gonna do
is I'm gonna close my eyes and I'm gonna listen.
So I'm gonna use my sense of hearing and I'm
gonna see are there any sounds in this office? Like

(46:29):
maybe there's a light that hums. Maybe it's the sound
of the fan that bothers you, or the type of
music you're playing that when you really sit down and
focus on how is my body responding to this, it
doesn't like it?

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Maybe it's a ticking of a clock. Okay, you do
the same thing with all your senses. So do you
smell anything in the room that bothers you? Do you
taste anything?

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Right?

Speaker 1 (46:50):
The biggest one is your sight, So do I see anything?
So what you actually do is you go around the
entire room and you look at everything in it. And
but you're doing is you're trying to practice awareness in
your body to see how the body responds. So I
bought a picture frame years ago and I had it

(47:10):
on my bookshelf in my office, and when I first
did this exercise, I was like, well, this is silly
because all this stuff in this room I bought, so
I must like it. Right. So I get over to
the picture frame, and I'm really paying attention. I'm doing
like deep breathing. I'm really just focused on what is
my body saying without judging it. You're the silent witness,

(47:34):
so don't judge any response. Just be open and receptive.
I get to the picture frame and my body was
like it didn't like that frame. I mean, I was like,
this is so crazy because I picked that frame out,
you know. And so what I did was I took
the frame and I took it into a different room.
I moved to out of that room. When I came

(47:54):
back into the room, I felt calm, an entirely different
energy in my body just from moving that picture frame.
I did the same thing. There was a sign language
sign on my wall because I was teaching my kids
sign language at that time, and I thought, oh, that's
a good thing to have the poster up there as
a reminder. No I got to that wall, that sign

(48:17):
stressed me out because it was like, oh, you got
to do this. You've got to do this right. So
I took that down, got rid of that. This is
like an orientinge exercise. So you do that. You're creating
a safe environment, and you do that in every single
room of your house. Okay, this will help provide the
body with a felt sense of security. Then what you

(48:39):
do the second step to that is you mark your territory.
Humans are notoriously bad at setting healthy boundaries, and I
know from personal experience. Right, So if you think of
the lion again, what does he do? He finds where
he wants to be, and then he walks around and
he marks his territory and then once it's marked, he

(49:03):
can lay down and be at rest until he knows
that's his territory. Though he is not at rest, he's restless. Right,
we need to do the same thing. We need to
mark our territory. But not with urine. But but you
could work. I know. I was like, I'm sorry, disappoyed,
but you know, no, but you can actually mark with

(49:26):
your hand. So what you do is you go through
every room in your house and you mark every single
object in the house. So in my office, for instance,
I'm rubbing my hand, over the desk, over my chair,
over the lamp, over all the walls, like everything that
your body wants to mark, you mark it. And it's
not in a possessive way like this is mine, like

(49:50):
no one can touch that, because clearly you might have
other people you live with. It's in a way of
centering within yourself. I am here, I belong here, I
am safe, And I actually will kind of chant that
to myself like a mantra as I'm actually marking. And
you could mark yourself some people actually, you know dogs,

(50:13):
Some dogs do this. I have a dog that will
get it secure and he'll roll around at his urine
he's marking himself, So that helps. Actually with some people,
you could actually just rub your hands all over and
mark yourself as well. And if you pay attention to
if you become aware of communicating with your body, which
the more you practice it, the easier it is to

(50:35):
understand what your body's saying to you. So if the
body doesn't say something to you right away, it's okay.
You just need to practice more, just like working out
the gym. But you'll notice that even if you mark yourself,
you will calm down. Oftentimes you'll know because you'll start yawning.
That's an indication that you're in a parasympathetic state. Or
maybe you'll feel your muscles relaxed. You may not even

(50:56):
have thought you were tense, and then all of a
sudden you just feel your arm armstrap, you know. So
those are two exercises that you can do in your house.
You could do it at your office. For instance, if
I'm going to give a talk, I will often try
to show up early and I will maybe physically market
with my hand, but I will walk around like the

(51:17):
whole auditorium and let myself know that it's safe, you know.
So to answer your question in those instances, I personally
think it's very helpful to do the somatic work because
the body needs to feel safe, and then you can
change the behavior, like the unwanted behavior. So get it

(51:38):
to be safe first, and you could become good at that.
You can use these different strategies on a daily basis.
You don't have to do the marketing and the orienting
every day, right you're going to be doing that and
make sure your environment's safe, and then you can even
just do things like starting with a breathing exercise. So
every morning. Let's say you only have thirty seconds, okay,
as soon as you wake up in the morning, before

(51:59):
you out bed, just practice some deep belly breathing for
thirty seconds, and you want to try to breathe out
twice as long as you breathe in, Okay, to initiate
the parasympathetic state. That's an easy thing you can start doing.
And then once you get that habit of every morning
I wake up and I'm doing that. Now, try to
do it before every meal. Try to get that habit going.

(52:19):
If you have three meals, that's three times in that
day that you're checking in with yourself and you're actively
getting yourself back into a parasympathetic state, and this starts
to retrain the nervous system.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I heard you mentioned food a little bit ago, and
you made the comment once that you didn't know the
truth about our food supply. What did you mean by that?

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yes, there were so many things I didn't know about
our food, which is crazy because I'm technically considered an
expert in nutrition, right but so I graduated and I
can tell you, like I can trace the carbons in
you know, fat approachein a carbohydrate all through the right.

(53:01):
But when it came to actually navigating the grocery store
and learning the labeling loopholes, for instance, what's toxic, which
labels are really going to dupe you, and which ones aren't,
I had no concept, right. So a quick example would
be the gluten free label, like the one I mentioned earlier.

(53:24):
So that label duped me for a long time. Even today,
we have siliac organizations and you know, well intentioned medical
doctors who are saying to their patients who have siliac
disease or nonciliac gluten sensitivity. They're saying, you know, go
out and eat certify gluten free foods, and those foods

(53:44):
are okay for you. Okay, they're actually not in the
majority of cases. Yes, yes, So here's the thing I
didn't know. Okay, So when I say the word gluten,
which foods do you think of that contain gluten?

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Yeah, wheat, oatmeal, Uh, all the good.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Foods, yeah, the yummy ones.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Let me rephrase, all the yummy.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Foods, yes, the addictive ones. Yes. Yes. So the FDA
defines gluten glutenous foods as wheat, barley, rye, and sometimes
oats if they are contaminated. So that's the FDA's definition
of foods that contain glutens. This definition was actually based

(54:30):
on data from World War Two. The definition has not
been updated even though we have lots of new scientific evidence. Okay, now,
what we know is there's not just one type of gluten.
So we in our culture focus on alpha gleiodin. It's
a specific type of gluten protein and it's the one
found in wheat, so we focus on that one. There

(54:52):
are at least a thousand different types of gluten proteins.
There's not just the one. And what we know now
is that all grains contain gluten. All grains, so oats
do contain a form of gluten. Corn contains a form
of gluten. Rice contains the form of gluten. Millets, right, soorium.

(55:15):
All the grains contain gluten. Okay, Now, when you go
to the grocery store and you pick up that package
of noodles that certified gluten free, you flip it over,
you read the ingredients. What's it usually made of?

Speaker 3 (55:26):
I defer to you what's the top one.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
So it's usually rice or corn. So the majority of
the gluten free products are made using rice and corn.
But rice and corn contain gluten, these products are not
actually gluten free. Now, the company is not doing anything
illegal because they are abiding by the FDA's regulation. Right,

(55:52):
the FDA regulates food labels and they have to find
what gluten means. The company's not doing anything illegal, they're
not doing what I think is ethical, right, Like, this
information is out there, it's well known, it's been published.
We've known since nineteen seventy nine that some people will
react to corn. They do form leaky gut and create

(56:13):
an antibody response to the corn.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
But these companies are taking advantage of a loophole.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yes, So that's why I said, they're not doing anything illegal.
But for me, it's not ethical because the information is known,
and what happens is you get people like me and
many others who have siliac disease or non silliact gluten
sensitivity or gluten intolerance, and we're told those foods are
healthy and they keep most of us sick. So to me,

(56:39):
that's im moral. The FDA doesn't show any indication that
they're going to change that definition. And so that's part
of my mission is consumer awareness so that you know
it make an informed decision because right, now, the way
the food supply is set up, we often don't have
an informed decision to make. It can be very difficult

(56:59):
to fight this information out there and then to tease
through it. Right, it took me a long time to
figure out that all grains contain gluten. You're not going
to hear that in the mainstream media. Oh, by the way,
this is another reason why if someone goes to a
Western doctor and says, you know, I want to test
and see if I have a problem with gluten, the
test is usually worthless. They'll usually do a blood test

(57:21):
and they'll test for antibodies to alpha gleodin. They may
test for a handful of other antibodies, but they certainly
will not test for the thousand plus different types of
gluten proteins that exist. So you'll get the test result
back and it will say, oh, you're negative for that, right,
but it's usually false. That test is not valid in

(57:42):
the majority of the time. The gold standard right now
is a genetic test for the HLADQ genotype, and you
don't have to be eating grains or gluten in order
to take the test because it's genetic tests. So if
you don't know and you want to know. Like a
lot of times have people have gone gluten free and

(58:03):
they're like, oh it didn't work, or they're like, oh
I felt better and then I got worse again. Well,
you know what, that's so common. There's a term for it.
It's called gluten free whiplash. And that's because you stopped
eating the major forms of glutens that you were eating, right,
but probably the wheat, so your your muss then got
a break from that one. But now you're eating the

(58:24):
corn of the rice, and so it builds up that
sensitivity to it and you have a mark symptomatic response
to it. So if that's ever happened to you, don't
get discouraged. I would say, if you want to know,
do the HLA DQ genotype test and you can actually
order that yourself online. But don't just discount gluten. That's

(58:44):
my point. Don't discount it and don't trust that gluten
free label because it's a farce.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
I'm a doctor, Seena mccolor, creator of the online program
Go Wild How I Reversed chronic and automne disease. A
very important lesson that I learned from your story is
that just because you're eating the best foods. That doesn't
mean that the body is absorbing all of the nutrients
properly in that food, correct, That is correct.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yeah, there's the old saying that you are what you eat,
and now issues with the gastrontestinal track have become so
prevalent in our culture that now the saying is you
are what you absorb, because where a lot of us
are not absorbing all the potential nutrients that we could
get from our foods.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
I've never heard that, but that makes so much sense.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Yes, that's one of those ones that when someone says it,
you're like, oh, that should have been the same from
the beginning.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
You know, I heard this, and I've experienced this personally
without getting too you know, mucky about it. The bowel
movements when you juice or you go vegan, they're larger
and people being proud of it. And I've not done
any research on it. This is just my own thought process.

(59:57):
I thought, I don't know if that's a good thing.
Wouldn't that mean that your body is not absorbing that
much if you're releasing so much more?

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Well, so I would look at it. There's multitude of
ways that you can look at it, right, because your
feces is a great indicator of your health status in general.
If you're defecating two times a day or more, I
take of it, that's a really good sign. Right, So
you definitely at least want to have one vowel movement

(01:00:29):
a day, but hopefully you're having like two to three
bowl movements a day. So if you've reached that point
and they're full movements, so you're basically getting rid of
all the feces, right, So it should be like an
S shape that they talk about, you know, like a
good sized S shape, so not hard and not runny,

(01:00:50):
it's that good middle consistency and you've evacuated the whole bowel.
And that's how you know, because it's about like the
shape of an S. So if you're having that like
two to three times a day, then I'm of the
mindset and your body is saying that it feels good
and it likes what you're doing, then I'm like, you know,
listen to your body, like you're doing good. You're getting

(01:01:10):
all that feces out, you know. And some people are
more impacted than others as well. I mean, chronic constipation
is pretty rampant in our culture. Even people who are
having one bowd movement a day can still be considered constipated.
So if you switch to some type of docket like that,

(01:01:31):
like a juice pass or something, as long as your
body feels good and you feel healthy. If you're having
the increased bowel movements, it may be that you were
constipated previously and now it's trying to get rid of
the feces and the associated toxins. You certainly don't want
to have less than one good bowed movement a day.

(01:01:53):
You can reabsorb toxins that are trying to be you know,
flushed out with the feces.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
So, you know, what do you say to people that
are mired in their negative thought process that believe that
they're broken, that nothing has worked, and that I have
a hard time wrapping their brain around the truth about
healing their own bodies.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Well, that's such a good question. So I would say
surround yourself with success stories because the success stories can
help you create a new reality. It is true that
you become what you are surrounded by. And in our
culture there's a lot of negative messages across the board.

(01:02:36):
I mean, this is one reason why I don't watch
the news very often, I'm not around toxic people. That's
another part of your healing journey. If you do have
all these negative thoughts, one step you can take is
look who you're surrounding yourself by. Are these people lifting
you up or are they bringing you down? Right? So
you don't want that messaging from friends, you don't want

(01:02:58):
that messaging from the media. The message we get from
the medical establishment is disease is not reversible. So if
you can find positive sources of information and feed your
body with that, that's one of the easiest first steps
you can do. So you can, for instance, go online
and you can search for success stories of healing and

(01:03:22):
you can just type that in, or success stories of
reversing chronic or autoimmune disease. There's so many of them
now that you can watch videos of you can read
in the medical literature. If you're like, oh, okay, those
people are just saying that on the video, how do
I know that that's really true, Well, then go to
the medical literature, go to PubMed and look for spontaneous

(01:03:43):
healings or spontaneous remission and read all these articles. So
for me, that's the easiest step because you don't have
to really do much. You don't have to change your diet,
you don't have to go out and get a bunch
of tests. You know, if you can first start changing
the type of information that is into your body, because again,
that's all energy, it's all gonna affect your bottlefield. So

(01:04:05):
change to the positive. Start listening to positive things, even
if it's like a stand up comedian. That's one of
the things that we used to do. When I was
on my healing journey, I realized that I couldn't watch
action movies dramas like I was watching Gray's Anatomy at
the time. I was the junkie. I was booked on

(01:04:26):
that stuff, and you know, I realized it was so
traumatizing to me. It put me in fight or flight,
and so be very cognizant. Again, We'll come back to
awareness of how your body's responding to information, because everyone's different.
If you're listening to something or watching something, pay attention.
Is my body responding in a stressed out, anxious state?

(01:04:49):
Is it contracting? Or do I feel joy and levity? Okay,
so change what you're watching, change what you're reading, maybe
change who you're around. You can watch, like I said,
stand up comedians comedies. We got a joke book, and
so every morning when we were sitting around the table,
my family expresses gratitude to start the day with that
high vibrational frequency message to the body, and we read

(01:05:13):
jokes from the joke book. So those are just some
easy things that I would start with.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
And finally, what do you know that you wish others
and maybe people in general could embrace about their own
healing journey.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
So I, coming through my entire experience, what I wish
I had known from the beginning was how much power
I have within my own body, how much power I

(01:05:49):
have within my own thoughts, how much power I have
within the emotions that I choose, and how much power
the body has to heal. I wish somebody would have
told me that the body is actually designed to heal,
and that we are actually packed with stem cells, Like

(01:06:09):
every part of our body has stem cells in it
that can generate, like regenerate any part of your body.
And I wish that I wish that people would release
the limiting belief that disease is not reversible and that

(01:06:30):
maybe you can only get into remission, and that that
would be a happy day and the limiting belief that
you can't heal yourself, because what I've learned is that
anything is possible, and the only thing that stops you
from healing from any imbalance is actually yourself. You have

(01:06:54):
to believe it. It all starts with you, and if
you believe it's possis, the body will respond to you
as though it happened. And that, to me was the
key moment for me, or one of the key moments,
was what I learned. The body can't actually tell the
difference between something that really happened and something that you

(01:07:20):
convict yourself happened. So, for instance, if you if you're sick,
you can create a picture in your mind of what
it looks like to be healthy. And my picture was
I was at the park with my kids and my husband.
We had a picnic blanket, We all these yummy, delicious

(01:07:42):
homemade foods, and I was running around playing tag, chasing
my kids, and I could hear the birds chirping, and
there were butterflies flying by, and I could smell the flowers,
and I can hear the laughter of the joy out
of my children and of myself, and I felt no pain.

(01:08:02):
There is no pain at all there's nothing stopping me.
I felt free and mobile and light and physically and
mentally and emotionally. And if you can hold on to that,
and you can feel the gratitude, right, you have to
attach that elevated emotion. If you can feel the gratitude

(01:08:23):
for the healing as though it has already happened, the
body responds as though you are healed. So it literally
starts building the new body in that image that you
are imagining. So we have many documented cases of this,
including the most famous as probably the doctor Joe despends

(01:08:44):
Up who healed his spine through this visualization attachment to
an elevated emotion strategy. I wish somebody at the time
had told me all of these pieces because I probably
wouldn't have had to suffer for so long, right, I

(01:09:04):
would have started this sooner, even though I mean, everything
happens for a reason, so I want to be careful
with that. You know, the journey served me well. But
I do think that all of these emotional root causes
of disease tied into how you can harness your emotions

(01:09:25):
to heal the body are not only overlooked, but they're
often discounted in our culture, right, we chalk it up
as like woo woo stuff like, oh, there's no science
to back that. You know, well, that's just a placebo effect.
You know, well, the placebo effect is strong. So when
you're sick, I don't care if it was the placebo

(01:09:46):
effect that healed me. It's I'm healed, like you know,
like who cares? But yeah, I wish that I had
known how powerful each one of us are and how
you're the moment to moment choices can create your reality.
So you're creating the life that you want. And when

(01:10:08):
I really understood that, it clicked that I needed to
take full responsibility for my whole life, including getting sick,
that it was not the It was not the fault
of the food companies, it was not the fault of
the government. They didn't put a gun to my head
and make me eat that food.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
I was an uninformed consumer. I got myself to that
position where I almost died, And that is such an
empowering position to take because that means if you got
yourself to that position, you can get yourself out. And
so to me, that was the biggest thing. Don't be
a victim, be a thriver. Harness every little ounce of

(01:10:53):
energy that you have, every ounce of power that you
have to move yourself forward. Because you are the best doctor,
You're the best nutritionist, You're the best expert. Money can't
buy that. So if you can connect with your body,
listen to your intuition and trust that it knows what
to do, and you just have to get all this

(01:11:15):
other nonsense from the mainstream out of your mind and
hand it over to your body, and it will tell
you what it needs to heal. So trust your body,
trust yourself, and learn to harness the emotions for a
powerful healing journey that in the end you will be

(01:11:39):
grateful for and it will actually feel like a rebirth.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
You will wake up every day and be grateful for
everything in your life, even the bad days, right, which
is the level of gratitude that I've never felt before
before I was sick. And I wouldn't change you for
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Doctor Sina, thank you for coming on the podcast, for
sharing your story and creating such an amazing conversation with me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Well, thank you so much. This was my pleasure.

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