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May 31, 2024 • 52 mins
We catch up with our longtime friend, and former co-worker at the radio station, Mo! Find out about her radio career journey along with trials and tribulations. A lot of fun stories on this episode.
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(00:00):
It's almost classic mode. You know, we gave you a time to show
up, and then I was,by the way, yeah, because I
was about to say that, butI don't want to be rude. First
of all. First of all,you know that you guys both know that.
That's why we gave her an earliertime on purpose. That's so dude,
That's why I text you to fortyfive. Really well, no,

(00:21):
because you were still lately, butwe were wondering when wh while we were
waiting for you, Like you justsaid it. You guys know me.
You guys know me. Why areyou still like that? To be completely
honest, to be completely real withboth of you, guys, you don't
give a fuck. No, Imean that's what I would guess. I

(00:42):
ninety now you know things are alittle bit different now. But now on
everything I love, ninety nine percentof the time I'm early, I having
so, I mean, it's y'all, so I'm just kidding, No,
some real shit. Ninety nine percentof the time I'm literally early to whatever
I got to do. Now,I don't believe, I swear. I
know it's weird, and I meanyou could have proved it by today,

(01:03):
but you didn't you know? Imind you. I came from an important
place and I was on Shaw andI hit every red light literally like just
my luck. But hey, I'mhere listen. Most importantly, I'm here
put some sound effects on. No. I know it's wild because we're gonna

(01:25):
get into it when we start theepisode. But you know you being late
was the cause of you of myfirst major radio gig, the first of
many of you later before. We'regonna get to know all about that stuff.
So, man, Jesse, areyou ready? Let's do it?

(01:48):
This could give me fire podcast?What up on Gise? That is John
Magic and we are back our specialguest today, which we're excited to have
her because she's a very good friendof both of our, is a former
co worker, an amazing radio personality. But most importantly, I mean,
I see it on your Instagram.She's a great mom to her son.

(02:08):
Our good friend Monica Man aka momomo. It's actually Monica mind oh man?
Yeah? Did you he really didsay man? Right now? Yeah?
I think it's everybody does. Butwait, you know you always knew
his mom. Yeah, man,he's got two ends at the end.
Yes, thank you. Yeah,But there's the there's like an athlete with
aren't there's so many? Then theysay the man. They do, but

(02:30):
I don't know that it's mon Ithink that's more like your intro was like
longtime friend, all this and youfucked up her last name. But to
be fair, I've been calling youman and a lot of times you never
corrected him. I'm sure I have. I don't remember, but you really

(02:51):
don't really even use my last name. I use my first name ship nobody
does. That's true. It's Mo. So why why didn't you ever go
by MO on the radio or didyou? Yeah? No, no more
on the radio? Oh Mo onthe radio? On the radio, Yeah,
on the radio like that? Imean, I guess maybe once in
a while I would say that,But for the most part I did become

(03:13):
Mo. Remember I was Monique whenI first started, and that was given
to me. Let's let's start there. You're originally from here or are you
going to represent the whole London thing? Oh? I thought you meant here
is a radio station. I waslike, yeah, no, no,
no, yeah, well born andraised London, England, okay, but
then came out here in the earlynineties and been here ever since. Old

(03:34):
were you when you moved to Fresno? Why are you trying to age me
out? I was what ten?What was the reason for the move from
My dad had this big idea tomove to Chicago. That was the original
plan. So he moved to Chicago. And that's how it became a Bulls
fan back home in England because Iwas like, oh, Chicago, Michael
Jordan, the Bulls. And thenit just didn't work out because Chicago's weather

(03:55):
was too close to England's weather.Long story short, he visited a friend
in Fresnoe, loved it and herewe are. Wow, So where you
were you guys in Chicago for alittle bit. We our family never went
there because he went there to establisheverything, get a home and all that,
and he was like, yo,the weather is just like oh.
So he went out there by himself. He went out to myself to get
everything started. And then so onthe way back to England after he didn't

(04:15):
really like Chicago, he stopped inFresnoe just to see a friend and was
like, oh my god, palmtrees, sunshine, California. I found
a new place for us. Andit was kind of like you could have
kicked la right from England to Fresnoe. Everybody's like, how did you get
from England to Freendslow. I'm like, man, you better ask my daddy.
Got none to do with it.This is just a side note,

(04:36):
and it's it's one of those memoriesthat it just popped in my head after
you said that. When I wasyoung, like toddler, like maybe three
years old. I think my daddid the same thing Chicago. He went
to Chicago by himself to kind oflike, is this where we're gonna live
exactly? And we stayed back inthe Motherland and then yeah, he then

(04:58):
he found southern CALIFORNI well, atleast he found southern California. I mean,
you know what. No, Isay that, and that's not very
really really nice, because you knowwhat, I'm in Fresno and this is
home, and you know, Ilove it. This is where I've pretty
much grown up and done it all. So shout out to Fresno. Yeah,
I mean I'm born and raised here, so I like it. Yeah,
you got five five nine on yourshirt? Yeah high school? Did

(05:19):
you go to Hoover? Right?Yep? What was the childhood in Fresno?
Like? It was cool? Imean obviously just getting here. The
culture is so different, right,so I didn't really fit in. I
was like the ugly duckling. Idon't know how else to explain it,
but I didn't understand the culture.Everything was different here. Back home was
really strict, and I got teasedfrom my accent and I didn't used to

(05:41):
shave when the accent, Wow,what hold on? Reverse sh did you
say? I was in the sixthgrade, and yeah, I had hair
on my legs, right, AndI guess at that point everyone in sixth
grade shaving their legs and shit,and I'm sorry, And I remember getting
teased like are you gonna shave thosethings? I'm like, actually, no,
motherfucker, I'm so. I rememberlike little things like that, like
damn, y'all fast out here,you're shaving your legs at ten? I

(06:04):
don't know, just like little thingslike that. But I got teased from
my accent, but not necessarily ina bad way. People would just be
like say something, yeah, canyou say this sentence? When did that
fade away? Do you remember?Well? I started faking an American accent
seventh grade. Yeah. I startedfaking it because I was tired of people
saying oh my god, so cute. Can you say that again? I'm
like witch, I said water like, but I said what, so it

(06:26):
was a little different, but Iremember faking it and then I just caught
on. The funny thing is mysister never faked it. Obviously, Mom
and Dad never faked it. Sothey still sound pretty British. Do you
kind of regret not sounding like thatanymore? Because it's cool to yes and
no. I mean I guess yeah, I was young and you know,
dumb, but it's gone. Yes, Well, my family comes back from
home to visit us. Like whenI'm around my family, it sometimes comes

(06:49):
out like literally, I'll just startsounding British again. It's kind of weird.
Yeah, they've said your influence.I know, I just I don't
notice it. But they've mentioned thatseveral times. So we could fast forward
fast forward to when MO and Imet. You know, it's such a
cool I don't even want to usethe word coincidence. But how we how

(07:12):
we met before we before we anything, And I'll tell the story in a
second, but that's how we met, and then now we're like all great
friends and it's crazy. So here'sa story. I was doing radio in
La and then I got offered theFresno job. But before I got offered
the job, they said, wewant to fly you out. We want

(07:34):
you to stay, stay a coupleof days here and just kind of will
tour you around, uh for likea few days. So okay, so
they've back. Then it was clearchannel. They booked me a flight out
La X. Flew here at theFresno, got picked up and they're like,

(07:56):
your hotel's going to be right acrossthe street from the radio station at
the Maria the Mary. I waslike, cool, so I check in
and who checks me in? Nomode check me in? Isn't that weird?
I was like, who is this? Mother? And you were the
whole You did the friendly like youtalk to the guests and you're like,

(08:16):
oh, what are you doing here? You're here for business. I'm like,
yeah, I'm here for a possiblejob. I might be moving here.
Now. This had to be twoyep, that's yeah, two,
three, yeah, going into three. You were like a receptionist. She
was there absolutely job yep, frontdesk, reception, front receptionists. And
I just remember you being so kindand correct me if I'm wrong to slip

(08:41):
his phone numbers tell the truth.Correct me if I'm wrong. But I
told you, yeah, I mightbe moving here. I'm from l A
and I might be taking a jobhere. And I think you said,
why are you moving? Why areyou? Probably did look bad right now,
I probably did. But you saidyou was coming from LA. I

(09:03):
was coming from LA and I mightbe doing radio. And then that was
basically it. That's the last timeI saw you that I took the job
I started. Yeah, damn.Yeah, it's just so weird. So
from you working there, how didyour radio career start? God, I
got the worst memory. I washoping y'all wouldn't ask me all these questions.

(09:24):
So Jizo brought up that you werean intern. I don't even remember.
I was like, actually was?I was interning with Ji? Yeah
together, I came little you're butI think you're like a semester before me
though, Yeah, yeah like that. So how did that happen? I
heard about the program from school.I want to say I heard a commercial
on that That's how I heard it. Yeah, they did to play commercial
commercial. But I was in themaster Yeah probably place. Isn't that even

(09:48):
more crazy? But I was inthe mass communication and journalism department at Present
State. So it was radio somethingyou wanted to get into or just like
mask something in mass communications school tobe in a sports commentator. So yes,
yeah, you know, because Ijust I've always had a love for
basketball. I wanted to do that. That's why I went to school and
studied. But I think they talkedabout maybe an opportunity and an internship in

(10:09):
radio there, but you had todo something. You had to do TV
or radio, like it's some interninghours. And then I think it was
a commercial I heard, and soI maybe came in filled out an application.
I think that's how it worked out, and they called me back and
interviewed I think with g if I'mright, and that was it, right?
Yeah, And I think you couldintern a max of three semesters something
like that. I was for abouteight semesters. Yeah, I mean,

(10:31):
I don't know how that happened.But what do you remember from your first
time in years? Yeah, becauseI don't remember anything grinding. I remember.
I remember a lot. I remember, especially when Jise came through,
like we were together at every event. We hustled, we hustled like we
were making one hundred dollars an hour. Yeah, we were at working,
working for free, but we didn't. Money wasn't even in thing. I

(10:54):
mean, mind you, this wastwenty this was two thousand, let's just
say three. I mean it wasn'tso bad in the house. I did
have written stuff, but money wasn't. Money wasn't what it was now,
right, like you got to changejobs and shit. Exactly back then,
I think, you know, Idon't know how surviving, but I was.
But I was fine. So itwasn't like, oh I got to
make money to go to this event. No, I didn't even question it.

(11:15):
We were at every event that youcould even possibly think of. Hell,
we were probably at events for thecountry station and the damn rock station.
We want even like remotes. Iwas showing up too, everything everything.
We didn't question the money. Wedidn't even ask for money. We
just wanted to be in. Wehad a passion for this music shit like
this entertainment business. You know.And Jizzo knows this because we talk about

(11:35):
you just knowing someone has it,and I do remember I was a fan
of GIZZL. I know he hadit, and I think you were the
other person. I was like,she has it, and you know this
is gonna she has a good future. And the only reason why I bring
up YouTube because then is this one. I recruited everyone to be part of

(11:56):
this thing called the Flavor Unit.Yeah. You basically recruited me and Mo
like help run your show. Andyou were doing night show. I was
doing the night show. Yeah,he had a three hour show. Still
complaining was it? Yeah, yeah, you go from seven to ten.
That's right, fucking three hours.Right. But anyways, you needed like

(12:16):
some side kids. I wanted theparty atmosphere that I was used to,
so I was trying to remain Wewere give it to you. Yeah,
we were background noise. Yeah,so it was YouTube and butters. We
even made shirts. Yeah, itwas John Magic and the favor I mean,
and that wasn't like the early daysof radio, but that was early
enough that we are blessed us three. I mean, I'm speaking just for

(12:37):
us three now that we were blessedto experience kind of the early radio day
where there was less politics and morefun. Ye, say what you want
to do, what you want talkabout the other station. It's all good.
It's in fun and games like youknow, like it was because we
were having this conversation with Carmen,and she was even talking about how like
all the pranks that she had todo, and like that's wow, that's
not even a thing anymore. Pardonthem, I never did that, but

(12:58):
even that pranks like like doing funstuff in the radio. But people are
listening in their cars, but theycan still see it because it's it's so
well spoken of and yeah, likeit was different. Man. Before we
go to the next timeline, duringthe Flavor Unit days during the night show
with us, any memories that standout to you, it's like tons.

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I mean, not not specific incidences, but just the fact that I wanted
to show up every single day.I didn't want to miss a I didn't
want to miss a beat. Iloved it. It was my I mean,
and you know, it's a passionthat you have. It's not something
that you just want to go towork today. No, man, I
can't wait to get there. Whatare we talking about tonight? What are
we doing tonight? Who were talkingshit about tonight? You know in a
fun, fun, fun way,all those things? Where were going tonight?

(13:41):
What club we hosted tonight? Whatclub will we falling asleep at?
Like you know, what artists iscoming what time we got to be there,
Like there was no like it wasjust all about what does radio need
because we're gonna be there, likewe're gonna do this. What was so
what happened next? You were stillso during the Flavor Unit you were still

(14:01):
an intern I don't know, wasI am I gonna have to be like
the history guy for all this.I have a good memory. Yeah,
So I remember a part time situationhad it opened up. It was just
like weekends, because you know,that's how like you start. And then
I remember g I said, ifI wanted to apply for it, I
think I had to give him aircheck and you added too, and from

(14:24):
what I was told, it wasbasically between me and Mo, and then
Mo ended up getting it. Sheshe was a little bit more seasoned than
I was. I think I wasjust on my first semester, and like
you said, you were ahead ofme, and so Mo had gotten the
weekend gig and that's how you hadgotten in. And then I still was
rocking an internship for like the nextyear, I think after that, so

(14:46):
I was doing weekends and probably gettingpaid for it. But so then I
was still doing Flavor Unit, maybemaybe running the board or something for like
an hour. I mean, yeah, remember so fun. Do you remember
getting hired like a f actually gettinghere? Do you remember that? No?
I really don't know. I meanI have a picture of me signing
a contract with G I kind ofremember that, but it just when was

(15:09):
do you know, like when youwent to the morning show. I guess
that's kind of like what we wantto get into. Great question. I
remember the I know, aren't yougoing to answer that? For? No?
I remember the morning show. Itwas Margarita, if I'm right.
She was doing mornings with and Dreand then she left for whatever reason.
Then you stepped in, right,and then I think they came to me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, AndI think that's kind of how that

(15:31):
went down. And I started doingmornings. Were you doing Yeah, so
you were doing mornings and weekends orjust mornings or mornings and mid days.
It came to midday shortly after again, and I started doing mornings and mid
days. And I think I'm stilldoing weekends. Okay, I think I'm
still doing weekends. So from ourmemory went from weekends there was an opening

(15:52):
in the morning, then you goton yeah, something like that, and
then that's when it was the JuiceCrew is used G and Dre and then
you guys are rocking? Well wasthe run on that? How many years?
Because I know you guys were apopular show? Oh three about four
years? Maybe three? Was itmore than that? Cat okay? And
then the big thing I guess ityears ten thirteen years, and we were

(16:14):
we were you know, we weregood. We were family like no you
That's what I remember them three beinglike, yo, this is a good
trio. Yeah. Well, Imean I think uh, because I think
they had switched out because it feltlike the girl was always getting switched out,
right, because even before Margarita,there was another. It was another
she wasn't it the one who hadshe had died. I think she had
passed away. Oh yeah, shewas Asian. Yeah, but that's when

(16:40):
I first started here. And thenI heard about Chee Chi le Oh.
I think, so, yeah,I heard about her, So when I
moved here, she passed away.And then I think Margarita had got on
because she had won a contest andthen she had a little I know,
my memory is crazy, but shehad she had left for whatever reason,
and then that's when you slipped in, yes, and then feel like that

(17:00):
was like that show like they hadfind their there I found their trio until
more fucked it up and and we'llget to that. No, yes,
so man, those are some goodtimes. I'll give us any details of
you getting fired for my first timein radio, absolutely well. It started
with a few suspensions first, right, a few like listen, I'm just

(17:22):
going to keep it as possible andas real as possible. During that time
when I was doing the morning show, obviously it was kind of the start
of radio for me, and Iwas doing it and I was absolutely loving
it. It was like, like, you guys know, the passion we
have for this ship is different.It's not just trying to be on the
air because you want to be something, you want to be cool. Yeah,
it is itself. No, it'ssome real shit. It's some real
love and passion for it, right, And man did I love it like

(17:47):
it was my everything. At thatsame time, I started an I'm trying
to say this the most humblest wayever, and y'all know me, I'm
not even fucking like that. ButI started blowing up a little bit,
right, So people started knowing whoI was, and I was I was
given the opportunity to like literally hostso many clubs events remem so for over
a year, maybe two years,maybe three years, I can't remember,

(18:08):
but I was hosting clubs Thursday,Friday, and Saturday nights for show,
like three nights a week, onehundred percent. Sometimes Wednesday, so Wednesday,
Thursday, Friday, Saturday. SoI'm getting to the club. Let's
just say about no later than ten. But the problem was I was leaving
the club. I don't know.You guys know how it works back in
the day. I don't know howit is now. But wait to get

(18:30):
a because you're waiting to get paidreading. So the club's done at one
twenty. Then you gotta sit aroundwait for them to count their fucking money.
You gotta make sure you're getting yourmoney. You got it. You
know, it's so much involved.You guys know behind the scenes what it
is. So there it is.I'm getting my little whatever amount of money
at two o'clock at night, andthen I'm going home. Then I'm trying
to wake up and be at thestudio by five, five fifteen in the

(18:51):
morning. It became a major issue. I couldn't I just couldn't be on
time. And then mind you.Of course I was probably drinking ninety percent
of the time, right, Iwas a rookie. I didn't realized the
busy in this aspect, like,come on, mob professional, It was
kind of part of your stint,right you go, you chill, people
buying you drinks like you're drinking.You're having a good time. And I
got so caught up in that,like and I was new in radio.
I didn't know anybody. I washaving such a great time, and I

(19:12):
was meeting so many great people andthey were making me feel so great.
And it was just a vibe likeliterally four days a week, every week.
And that's when clubs were popping inFresno, Presnel clubs now. But
shit back there in early two thousands. I mean, it was like Monday
through Sundays. We were lit.We were lit, and we was at
most of them, most of them, and I was there. And so
what became the main issue which ledme to get fired for my first time

(19:36):
was just I could not be ontime to my show. I'm showing up
to my show. It's damn nearover, you know. And g Man
is And by the way, gMan was our boss at that time.
He was the program director of thewhole station. So I'm walking in all
my boss to our show late ashell at least three days a week,
at least three days a week,you were late three days a week probably,
oh man. And when I'm sayinglate, I'm saying okay, thirty

(19:56):
minutes sometimes an hour at some time. Yeah. Like, well, first
they kept it in house. Imean, I'm not gonna lie man Ge
to this day. I can't thankhim enough for how much he looked out
for me. If g wanted to, he could have been fired me after
the first let's just say four timesbeing late, because that's just unprofessional.
So he just kept giving you achance. And I think he knew what

(20:17):
I was out there doing too,and he knew I wasn't a bad person.
He knew I wasn't like I fuckedthis job out of here. He
knew how much I loved it andhad a passion for it. But I
mean, at the end of theday, he had to do his job
right. So was it just becauseyou were you were just too tired to
get up, or you slept throughthe alarm. I don't know what the
fuck I was doing. Shit,I was just waking up and I was
like, oh my god, it'sfive o'clock. I was supposed to be
here at five o'clock. Like itjust literally that's simplified, and that's stupid.

(20:41):
When I look back now, I'mlike, wow, Mo, But
I mean it was a learning lesson. I get, well, was it
because you were just talking late today? Imagine that she was still doing radio?
Now with the technology we have whereyou could record shows, i'd be
late for my home recorded ship.Yeah. No. But so that's just
basically what happened. He had givenme so many chances, even dre As
my big bro, would put meinside like Mo, man, come on,

(21:03):
like come on, so what wasthe sword? So then I got
warning after warning and g was like, MO, like this can't happen again,
Like now corporates on my ass.You know sometimes people are listening to
the radio. You're not even onthe radio. They're oh, MO has
the day off? No, MO, just ain't even here yet. How
many times can jeez? You know? Yeah? Yeah, so he had
my back, man, he reallydid. But and he gave me those

(21:23):
warnings like if this happens again,Mo, but this is probably like one
hundred times, I don't know,like I can't do this. I have
to let you go, Like nowthe uppers are in on this. I
got to do my job. Isaid, okay, no problem, won't
be laid ever again. Shit nextday guess what? Okay, maybe not
the next day, but it happenedagain, obviously, and he was just
like and I could tell he wasso hurt because I knew it was coming.

(21:44):
Yeah. Well yeah, So whatwas the routine like of you,
of you coming in and then whatdid they say? Where did you go?
No? I don't remember, butit's that typical radio stuff, like
you feel it, like you feelsonics going down, like everyone's like the
energies heard in the studio, likeI felt it. And then he might
have just been like, this iswhat it is. And was it the
classic thing where you do or theyhave you do the whole show first,

(22:08):
because I heard that's what they doso you don't talk shit? Yeah yeah,
oh yeah, probably because it's beenincidences in radio. One happened in
early two thousands. I can't rememberwho it was now, but they let
someone go and let her do hershow. After that, she went off
on the air. Oh my gosh, I'll never forget that. I wish
I could remember. It was aclassic. I'm sure you could find it

(22:29):
on YouTube. But she was likethis and that's why she just like told
everybody's business. But I mean,and I would never have done that anyway,
because it was my fault. Iremember a memory I have from that
is I was upset. I wasbut at you because you were such a
talent and we were all so disappointedyou really did it to yourself. I

(22:51):
did, and we would just belike, you know, just to be
open and honest. I was like, she's stupid, Like, she's so
stupid for doing that. And theolder I get and the more I look
back on it, I'm like,damn. You know, like obviously everything
happens for a reason. I wonderwhat that reason was. When I got
fired that day. You know whatI did. I left the studio,
signed my little paper, literally leftthe studio. I think I had a

(23:14):
Honda at the time. God,my Honda. Drove straight to the cemetery
to Boogie's gravesite, right, andI just bawled for like two hours straight,
sat there cried, just oh itwas it was. I mean,
I know y'all haven't had a heartbreakbefore, right, that feeling in your
heart like I can't explain it right, Like you got cheated on, Like
it's the worst. I can't aslike triple triple that. It was horrible,

(23:37):
right, So I sat there crying, crying, And then right after
that, I went and got thistattoo right here, just this one,
and it says time waits for noMan. So my last name is man.
So instead of putting time weights forno man, which is the saying,
right, I put time weights forno mon to remind myself, you
fucking idiot, you got fired overbeing late. Like, think about it,
you know. I mean, it'sthat's just literally what it was,

(24:00):
what you get fired for for beinglate. People don't understand it when I
say that, but that's just whatit was, you know. And so
trust me, to this day,you're supposed to have no regrets, and
maybe I don't. Maybe I don'tregret it. It's been a while now,
but I'm like, what the fuck? You know? So then after
that was you jumped over to thecompetition, right, wasn't it like literally
the next day or that day.I just remember that day. Wow,

(24:22):
Wow, I just got we gotto remind people listening because they're not radio
savvy, not everybody, but inradio, word gets around like something happens
in radio. Everybody knows what theyposted on like that radio. Yeah,
and even if they don't post it, somebody's like someone is gonna know before
you even tell anybody, which iscrazy. Yeah. So word got out
fast, like I think fast.I think I had God, like everybody

(24:45):
knew within like an hour for somereason. That's just how radio is,
right exactly. And then I gota phone call and I can't even remember,
So you got recruited? Yeah,am phone call? Wow, Okay,
okay, come over here, youknow, come you remember who called
you? I don't. I wantto say Tommy, but it might have
been. He was the people likecome through, come over here, get

(25:07):
on the air tonight. And Iwas on the air night. I remember.
I remember I was listening because Iwanted to know, like I wanted
to know like this I want Iwanted to know. Now that you're saying
this, I do remember all ofus were like wet because what is she
gonna say? Oh my god,that we got Carmen podcast. You're gonna

(25:34):
hear mo literally from the like somebodycomes into the pick up the tickets They're
like, who is that? Andwhat is happening? Back there's a little
toy, you know what. Andit's funny that she brings up my laugh
because when I was doing the morningshow with G and Dre, they used
to always like harass me about mylaugh, Like I tried to check as
loud as I remember, like,yeah, Jisel is shutting you up several

(25:55):
times hours like mo too, Yeahit's embarrassing means I remember the yeah,
I'm so. We got people outthere trying to work and ship used to
get your laugh, that's right,But yeah, man, my laugh like

(26:19):
that kind of got in the wayof some things too. I mean,
I can't help it. But theyliked it or did they not like it?
I can't remember, but y'all usedto hate it though, yes,
used to still still I really tryto control it, but sometimes it just
comes out. Anyways, let's getback on track. So, uh,
you're that was it? Yeah?You got You were at the competition.
They threw you on air that dayand I think it was I want to

(26:42):
say it was Davy to put youon, and I just remember he was
like, we're gonna shake the cityup. He was like this is about
to go crazy, and I alreadyknew what was gonna happen. We already
knew, and I just wanted tosee like how most sounded or what she
was going to say. And yeah, they put you on that was that
was Yeah. Well I guess Ican't really say the station, but you

(27:02):
can say, yeah, okay.So that was the other station in Fresno
with the same format, Q ninetyseven and that was out in Vicealia.
Yeah, we've talked about it inthe House episodes. Yep, it was.
It was similar to a house.We used to call it the basis,
similar to house. It was ahouse. It was a house made
into a studio. Yeah, sowhat was the offer you're gonna do?
What show? Oh gosh, sheyou put me on the spot probably started

(27:26):
off as like weekends or some rideor weekends, because I don't know days.
Is this during the time. Imean, I guess we could kind
of jump, you know, wedon't want to kind of take too long
on it. But was this theera of you going to different stations like
you for a minute, I don'tremember, Like they like I have nothing
but love for everybody there. Theyjust like became my bros. Like I

(27:49):
loved it there, just like Iloved it here. You know what I'm
saying. I mean fit right in, drove to Vicealia every damn day.
We called it the basement, wentto the basement, did my show.
It was great and that now that'sthe story of because I got fired from
there too, right yeah up,let me just jump to that story because

(28:11):
to this day that story is fuckingcrazy. But the reason I got fired
from Q ninety seven because everything wasall good. I was doing my thing,
having great times. This is avery long story. Short, long
story short. There was a concert. I don't even know who it was.
I think Drake. Yeah, Imean, come out here, it'd
have been Drake. I remember,No, I don't remember. Kendrick opened

(28:33):
for Drake. Yeah. Then whenKendrick came upstairs here at the station first
went to that show. Yeah Ididn't know. That is when Kendrick opened
and it was a Drake. Wasthis Wow? This was this full Circle
Arena or probably Save Mark Center andthis check this fucking crazy ass story out.
So so a winner had one ticketsto the Drake show. Mind,

(28:56):
you were in Vicelia. I wantto say the show was that night,
right, So somebody affiliated with theradio station. I'm not gonna say no
names. I don't want to gothere. But someone affiliated with the radio
station called me and was like,hey, do you mind taking the winner
who lives in Fresno taking their ticketsto the Save Art Center, meet them

(29:18):
there, give them their tickets there. It was that type of thing.
Okay, and mind you my memorieskind of shot, but that was the
main thing, and I was justlike, okay, yeah, cool,
I'll do that. So I didthat long story short, get to the
Savemart Center. While I'm there,right, and this is a long story
short. While I'm at the SaveArt Center, I am calling and you
guys know me, I'm not aboutno shady ass fucking shit. I was
in radio hell of years prior tothat. I've had advantage of getting any

(29:40):
tickets I want. And just likewe all did an we could go wherever
we want, do whatever we want, right for free. So I'm there,
I'm calling the listener to say,hey, I'm over here at this
location, meet me for your tickets. I had no service, like literally,
I was trying to get a holdof this participant, could not participant.
Sorry, I'm thinking about my listener. Listener, Yeah, texting and

(30:03):
calling. I just there was noservice for some reason at the same Mart
center wherever I was. Yeah,and so I'm just like, this is
annoying. I'm trying to like gointo the show because of course I have
my own tickets. Ago I'm tryingto go on the show. Like,
how am I gonna keep just waitingout here? So I'm okay, let
me go inside and then I'll justkeep hitting them from inside and then I'll
go outside and give him his tickets. Long story short, it was even
worse Thanside couldn't get a hold ofmy dad show starting, and shit,

(30:23):
yeah, I'm not gonna lie.I wasn't worried about it no more.
I kind of forgot because I'm I'min the mix. I'm a shit Drake's
coming out like it was that typeof thing, right, Long story short.
Listener never got the tickets. Longstory short, it just never happened.
The next day, I come towork the GM at the time,
now my program director because he alwayshad my back, but the general manager,

(30:44):
you know, kind of the onesthat never been a program director's boss.
Yeah, so literally came down pissedoff, didn't ask me anything about
the situation. Literally basically told meI'm done. Wow, didn't even let
me explain why the listener did notget the tickets because the listener's mama called
and compleat rightfully, So I wouldtoo, I'd be pissed. I even
offered, I will go to Tmobile and get a print out of how

(31:06):
many times I called in Texas Listenerto get the tickets. But somehow it
just didn't happen. I had noservice. Literally, it was just that
dumb of a story and it justnever happened, right, And I'm like,
damn, I should never have donethis a favor for this person to
hook him up and give him thetickets anyway, I should have just had
him drive to fight sales. Sobasically, they never got their tickets,
so they were a mad. Yeah, of course, and I understand,
Yeah, thousand percent. I wouldbe pissed as hell. But you're gonna

(31:29):
fire me over that. You're supposedto be loyal. I'm your I'm your
loyal like on your personality you thinkI would like, I don't know what
they thought, Like he didn't evengive me a chance to explain myself,
like this is what happened. Bro, it was just kind of like,
oh, yeah, you're kind ofout of here. We got to complain.
Damn. It was so crazy.You know, I back you hundred
percent on how they did that.My question is, I'm just trying to

(31:52):
put myself in that situation. Iwould be contacting this person through my drive
through like throughout the day the menI got the ticket, this I was
asked to take, Like this wasliterally late like probably after my together.
It was last thing like this personsaid, Hey, I was gonna go
up there and grab the tickets,but I'm in Fresno. Can you just

(32:14):
grab them on your way out andgive him to the to the listener.
It was I was doing a favorfor somebody else, right, And it's
still follow me because I accepted thefavor. Yeah, I'll do it,
no problem. But I should havesaid no, because you know, it
just gets too sometimes like and that'sobviously what happened. Literally, that is
that's the story. Damn. Likeit's like, if you really like fucked
with me and knew what I broughtto the table at this radio station and

(32:34):
how much passion I had for howmuch love I had, you would call
me in and be like, mo, what happened. He didn't even do
that. The thing is, theycould have made it up to the listener
in a way, giving them someother tickets. And just like, if
anything, I most suspend you,but I feel like even a suspension is
a lot would have been wrong.But that would have been better than getting
fired. Yeah, exactly, likeliterally and I and I and I felt
so bad for that listener of course, because I would never do such a

(32:57):
thing, right. My intention wasto get in the tickets. It just
got the night just got fucked.But I sent I think his mom or
him a nice email explaining how sorryit was what happened. And the mom
even wrote me back like not allpissed, but just but saying I understand.
I was pissed. Of course I'mpissed, but I understand, you
know, like she had respect forwhat I did. They let go of
the guy that you did the favorfor you. No, he was one

(33:20):
of the headhunters. Yea, yeah, he was one of the head on
because he's really the root of thereason. Yeah. Yeah. I never
brought that up, never said nothing. I just couldn't believe it. I
was just like, okay, we'redoing this again, all right? I
never knew that. Yeah, okay, so that's fire number two. Then
what did you do after that?Then? I got a phone call maybe
that day or the next day fromprogram director in Bakersfield. Jay read fucking

(33:46):
dog to this day man. Andthat's that's the great thing. I still
got such a great relationship with allmy former program directors, you know what
I'm saying. But he called meand was like, ever thought about Bakersfield?
And I was like, uh no, to be honest, I haven't,
but Shit talk to me, andlong story short, he just basically
said, you know, we mighthave an open position if you're interested to
come check it out this and thatI went, you know, you introduced

(34:07):
me to the guys there and said, you know, let her get on
air just to see how you feelin it. Long story short, I
did that obviously, fell in lovewith it, and shit moved out there
like two months later, got meapartment. And how long were you at
that station that was hot? Afew years? Yeah? Yeah, it
was that. It was HITS ninetythree point one, which was like pop

(34:30):
station. Yeah, you know,like justin Timberlake and stuff like that.
And they gave you more responsibilities theretoo. If I'm not mistaken, I
feel like it was weren't you likethe promotions director too or someone? Yeah,
well that was that Q ninety seven. Oh okay, promotions. Yeah,
I was doing helping with the promotionsand all that at Q ninety seve,
which I absolutely loved. And Ithink you didn't you tell me you

(34:52):
enjoyed Bakersfield, like you know whatI did. I mean, so many
people talk shit about Bakersfield, like, ain't nothing out there, It's just
a pit stop, you know,and whatever. But I got out there
and I was by myself, andI got my own spot, and I
go to the radio station every day. I got an apartment literally across the
street from the radio station from here, like to the Marriott. It was
that convenient for me. And Iwas at the studio all day, and

(35:13):
I had all the my boys weremy boys or like my big bros,
my family, like at the stationevery day. And then what do you
know, I started getting all thesegigs. So every night I'm like out
hosting stuff in a city where Idon't know anyone, which actually felt good,
like I didn't know anyone. Andthen on the weekends, I could
just go out anywhere looking ugly ashell because I didn't know anyone. So

(35:34):
that part of it was different.And I didn't have to be like,
oh, let me get cute justin case I see someone and they want
to take a pic. Heyll No, nobody knew me in Bakersfield, and
that was kind of a I don'tknow, I kind of liked that for
a while. In the beginning,it was like lokey, it was like
low key. Yeah, it feltgood. But then you know, I
started doing more remotes, more events, more clubs, hosting stuff. It
started to get real lit. Yeah, and I was doing everything by myself,

(35:55):
you know, and we were keepingwe were in touch. Now I'm
sure, and I think you didn'tget fired or did you. I think
you to leave. Yeah, that'swhat I remember that. Oh, that's
what happened. I was trying toremember, like why you left Baker's.
Yeah, I didn't want to.I didn't want to. I remember we
would conversate it. Now it's hittingme, Yeah, you would. You

(36:15):
would ask me like what should Ido? Yeah, I stay here.
I wanted to stay, but youknow, I needed my family around me
and all. Yeah, you weresaying I remember our conversations. Yeah,
that is so crazy and and soI mean, and it wasn't. I
was in denial because I knew.I was thinking like, Okay, when
I have this baby, how amI going to do this out here?

(36:35):
Like you know what I mean?Plus I needed time bonding with my baby.
It was just so many different thoughts. But I couldn't imagine myself leaving
radio. So I told my bossI'll be back and he was like,
no, you won't. Like heknew, you know, but I couldn't
say those words, you know thatI was leaving. And here's another funny
thing. When I was getting readyto, you know, do my last
days in radio, I got aphone call from the program director in Las

(36:57):
Vegas and she offered me a fuckingcaig yet Vegas for a little bit.
Or no, didn't do Vagae,Oh you turned it Downburquerque, New Mexico.
While I was in Bakersfield, Igot another station and I was voice
tracking for them. I was recording. I forgot the name of the station,
but it was a station now inAlbuquerque, New Mexico. Shout out
to me was like a station theopportunity. Yeah, I kind of like
a sister station to the Bakersfield Company. So I was I had a show

(37:21):
out there and then the show andBakersfield at the same time. But when
I when I had made the decisionfor sure, okay coming up, I
got a bounce. I got toget out of Bakersfield. It was I
think I might have been about seveneight months pregnant at that time. I
got a phone call to come toVegas and do Vegas Radio, and you
turned it down. And I hadbeen wanting to do Vegas radio. I
had to turn it down. Iwas eight months pregnant. They wanted me
to pop yeah, And I waslike, was it that female that female

(37:45):
program director? Yeh, do youremember her name? She was like big,
she was a big name in theradio. I forgot her name.
I'm losing it in my mind.I know. I don't like, oh
yeah, yeah, you know,you know, I know, I know
because yeah, okay, so thatnever happened, So that never just stayed
here. Yeah, well you cameback here, you had your son,

(38:07):
had my son, and you're onmom mode for years. Oh yeah,
I didn't work for a minute,because then what got what got you back
into radio? Gizo says, Ihad a part of it. I don't
remember, and I don't either.I assumed that an opening happened and magic
had through your name and a hat. That's what I thought, you know

(38:27):
what you saying that? I canyou can you remind me who the p
D was at that time? Hadto be ste No, it wasn't Tony.
It wasn't Tony because I left.Yeah, Steve Weed, All right,
Okay, I think if I'm notmistaken, I think you're right,
Like, because you are APD,that's it's a program director. You through

(38:52):
that flex and I said that it'sit's been years. Yeah, I want
to say you did do that,and I think it was just like a
part time weekend thing, but justto get you back and get her back
in the building, because the planis always once you're in the building,
something will happen. You're a goodworker, and so I knew that would
happen for you. So I thinkI think you're right. I did.
I did a fight for you toget back weekends or something like that,

(39:15):
and then you did. Right,Yeah it was weekends, but I would
be here all the time. Idon't know what the hell I was doing,
but I was always around and thenthis is sort of like wrapping up
your radio career. Did you geta full time gig during that stint of
getting back Yes, because you didthe night show night Oh wow. So
from there the night position opened up. They offered it to me. Of
course, I said yes, andthen I started doing Yes. Then I

(39:37):
started doing nights for a minute.So I did nights for a while,
absolutely loved it. It was astruggle because my son was like what two
years old at that time. ThreeI mean between us three and the rest
of the world listening, I hadto bring him to work with me sometimes.
I remember struggle. He used tobe in the background talking and shit,
and I'm trying to do a livetalk break. I'm like, oh
my god, one day I'm gonnaget caught. But I had to do

(39:59):
what I had to do, man, And so he would be in the
studio with me many times while Iwas doing my show. But was this
around twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,Yeah, it had to be, yeah,
twenty nineteen. This was COVID COVIDtwenty twenty, so it was the
beginning of twenty twenty. Okay,so it was right before that, huh
yep, So yeah, because I'vebeen out of radio three. It'll be

(40:20):
four years in August, I think, And this is a good way to
kind of, you know, wrapup the storyline of the beginning of MO
and I meeting when I first movedhere, and the during that time of
twenty twenty, the nationwide layoffs fromiHeartRadio, Heart Radio because we were going

(40:42):
to be taken over by as theysay, robots. Yeah, so can
you any memories from that lege?Yeah. The memories I have is when
the big dogs came down and theywould have like meetings in our studio while
we were at work. They wouldcome Visita Corporate. Corporate was here.
They were in and out. Weand you always know something's going on in
radio, so we all had likewe're like kind of on the edge of
our seats, like something's happening,Like they keep visiting here. It was

(41:06):
something as weird, the energy's off. It was going on for weeks,
you know. And then I rememberone of the guys came in to talk
to me about my job and whatI do and how I feel about it
and all this shit, and Iwas like, what is happening? Yeah,
did you go through that interview processwhere you're trying to corporate people.
I didn't. Yeah, yeah,same year. Yeah, yeah, we
all did. I think they weretalking to everyone. I think they made

(41:27):
it very obvious. I don't knowabout you, guys. I didn't think
anything of it. You didn't,No, I did. I thought it
was weird because I'm like, thefuck is going on around here? The
energy just felt off. I wasin a different situation. I got bamboozled
because this is just a side storyof They put me into this class of

(41:49):
ten people and it was an onlineclass for a month to train, you
know, how to be a PD. What Visa our boss now out,
Visa was in that class. Iwas in that class. So in my
head, I'm like, oh,they're training me for the future. So
those meetings, I didn't have anythingto it different. That's but ironically still

(42:10):
well, I will say, Ithink this is where it all fucked up
for me. I specifically remember thecorporate people were like, so, what
do you think about country music somewhereelse? At the time, I was
young. I was you know,I think I forget how I was,
but you were younger, late thirties, So I was like, nah,
Like I kind of said at nonchalanlike no, it's not my thing right

(42:32):
now, not really understanding radio,like just I mean, I'm not mad
at that though, Like I feellike I would say no, right even
if I knew my job was onthe line, like no, I'm not
going to sell out, you know, I mean just to have a job,
because that's completely different. But whatif they asked you, would you
do pop? Would you do pop? Because that's what happened to me in
Bakersfield. I was like pop,you better give me hip hop. But

(42:52):
then I was like I could dopop, like I could do pop trees
just kind of out of them,like well, now that I'm older,
like I actually enjoy country. ButI think that was my demise when I
was like nah, because they ohthey offered, not offered me, but
they said, what do you thinkabout programming country? And I was like
nah, I remember this, yes, And I think that was my demise.

(43:15):
Huh. So wonder like I can'tuse you no more? So,
how how was the layoff? Doyou remember that day? Like when it
happened? Yeah, because me andyou got fired that same day, didn't
well, well, I don't know. I don't think it was the same
day unless maybe was it the sameday. I don't I actually don't remember
that. Yes, it had tobe. We pulled up into the parking

(43:36):
lot at the same time because theysaid come in for a meeting. I
already knew what that meant. Iknew one hundred percent I was fired,
right, So that's why you saidcome in for a meeting. I think
it was two PM or ten amor it was early. Huh, it
was early early and I pull upin the parking lot. No one was
your Yeah, Magic pulls up.I'm like, oh shit, we both
getting fired. But then when wegot out the car, I was like
we were talking about it, likedamn, this is it, and I'm
like, man, you're not goingnowhere. They're not going to fire you.

(43:58):
I'm thinking, why the fuck wouldthey it? We got fired on
the same day. I'll never forgetthat long ass walk up the fucking stairs
to his office and then you goin the office. Typical ship. You
know, I've been through this afew times already, routine fucking contract on
the table. He's sitting right therelike, oh, come on in.
So Moe was one of the firstones to get let go, and we

(44:19):
were like you weren't in the building. You you didn't come until after time,
but I was getting the play byplay though, Yeah, you were
giving me the play. Yeah,because then the Spanish station people there starting.
You just saw like people packing upand I'm witnessing all this and you
know what, hurt my feelings alot, and they do this to everyone.
It wasn't just the MOE thing,but it's so fucking annoying. It's

(44:40):
just when you get fired, theyhave to like assist you. They have
to walk you everywhere you go andget your stuff, like calm down,
anybody gonna get on the air andtalk shit like you know, and then
they have to walk all your shipprotocol, walk you to your office to
get all your belongings. I waslike, I didn't like that. I
think out of everything, I waslike, dude, if you don't get
off my back. And again wegot to mention this was a nationwide thing

(45:02):
and they were trying to just cutdown to a small I mean yeah,
smaller group and this was happening thewhole with the whole company. So yeah,
we just saw all these people likeleaving carrying boxes and I think I
called so many people and Gise youmight have been one of them. I
was like, I think I'm next. And I remember talking to Visa.
I was like, I think I'mnext, and he was like no.

(45:23):
I was like, I have afeeling and I'm just walking in the hallways
and Steve catches me in the hallwayour GM and he's all magic fall me
and no out loud. I gono, I go like that like in
the hallway, that's funny. Igo no, and he just like put
his head down and to just Stevealways tells the story how that was like

(45:45):
the like you know, he wasin the room. Yeah, yeah,
I don't want to do this,but I've been like the whole you know,
because to be honest, I mean, in his defense, it wasn't
his choice. And we had sucha great team. Yeah, we did
have a good team in front ofhim literally like a fan because we were

(46:05):
all friends from the beginning. Yeahyeah, I mean we really came because
Carmen was here during that time too, So we were all like here at
the same time together and we hadall we had all finally had like we're
all full time, we're all onthe squad together. Yeah, and then
you know, remember, so wegot you're right, we got laid off
at the same day, right,No, I was. I think maybe
later on I did, but Iremember calling you and I was like,

(46:28):
it happened to me too, andyou were like what And we met for
lunch and yeah, that's right.Start talking about this. I know,
I remember that. That's crazy andyou would think. I mean, that
wasn't my first rodeo, but itstill cuts deep, man, like you
know what I mean, especially whenit's not your fault. So that was
your last radio gig, right,Yeah, that's it years ago. That

(46:50):
was it. And now what areyou doing now? You're doing a great
thing for the community. Yeah.Now I'm working with young adults between the
ages of sixteen and twenty four,those who have been previously incarcerated. Once
they get out and they need thatguidance and need to get back into the
workforce. You know, I helpout with that. So completely different.
But you know, I relate tothe kids like I did when I was
in radio. I'm on their level. You know. They can talk to

(47:13):
me, vent to me, andI'm still still mo you know, and
uh you know you get that,you ever get that itch? Still I
do? Yeah, even knowing howthe radio business, especially when I like,
you listen to some other people andyou're like, I'm better than that.
I don't want to go there,but like, yeah, you know,
I do get that right exactly.Oh yeah, fact, yeah yeah.

(47:38):
So I mean there's always that passion, right, It's not something you
turn on and off like it's likesome real shit, you know what I
mean. That's the difference between me, I think, and a lot of
people. It's a real path,like a real I had a real love
for it, and I still do, you know. It's just life is
different. And I always wonder,like, Okay, I got fired from
that night show, what was areason? Like you know, they say
there's always a reason, and Iwonder, like what was the reason?

(47:59):
Maybe it was so I could bemore present with my kid, because when
I look back now, I putradio before everything, like before friends before
family. With radio calls, I'mthere. I'm not asking anyone any questions.
I'm just there. You need mefor an interview, you need me
to show up to this event,you need me to host. I am
there no matter what time, nomatter what day, I'm there. That's

(48:19):
just that's that's what I want todo. And I feel like I did
that so much and just wasn't availablein other areas and so when radio like
you know, canceled for me,I was just well, my baby,
like you know, so maybe maybethat was the reason, you know,
I mean, I don't know.Well you're doing great things now, thank
you, and yeah, life isdifferent, man, do you have I
have one last question? But doyou have anything? Jazee? No,

(48:42):
I mean one thing that I gotto say that I've always said this is
just like from a talent perspective,I always felt that Moe was just wanted
to just naturally talented and on airpersonalities that I've ever heard, like,
I mean across the board. It'sjust she couldn't fucking be here on time,
Like if you could have just fixedthat, like honestly, like just
straight talent. Why is like oneof the best I've ever heard. But

(49:04):
with this episode, that's the reasonwhy she was sought after. She kept
getting offered, and that's why Iwanted her back because I knew her talent.
Yeah, I appreciate that you guys, like man, so many good
memories, so many good times,and the chemistry we had was so important.
Yeah, it was a lot offun. I mean call everyone your
bros. No, like these arebros. Like this is fucking like That's
why I tell people like my friendsare my co workers, you know what

(49:28):
I'm saying, Like literally not like, oh we work together, so we
just go out after for work likeno, like these are on my day
off, Like this is who Ihung out with and then we go to
fucking work together. Like it doesn'tget any better than that, you know.
I mean like we've been through someship, the ups the downs,
like you know what I'm saying.I want to sleep together at the club,
fall asleep toget the club we were. We were out and about all
the time, and I literally fellasleep at a club one night. I

(49:49):
don't know what. It was mybirthday and I think photo of it.
Yeah, that's all you need tosay. Man, we were crashed out
on the couch. I don't knowwhat the so many good times, man,
last question before we end the episode. If you got offered a job
to come back here to do yourown show same amount of pay as what
you're getting paid now your old job, at your new job that you're doing

(50:09):
currently, do you leave it tocome back? Fuck man? Man?
Hopefully her other job ain't listening.I know, I don't know, to
be honest, and you say makingthe same or more like possibly, it's
just that the thing is like,I'm so secure with my job right now,

(50:30):
Like I feel so secure. Meand my boss are great, like
I'm value you, happy, respected, like they fuck with me. They
know what I bring to the table, and I feel it, like I
literally feel That's why I have somuch respect for my boss and my company.
I do because they they respect me. Like I don't know how to
explain it. And if I wasto come back to radio, what I
feel secure not necessarily a B ninetyfive thing, just a radio thing in

(50:52):
general. You're in radio, you'renot secure. I hate to say,
you're just not. You could behere one day and guess what, tomorrow,
we're going to bring in seventeen yearold motherfucker they just graduated school and
we're going to replace you with herbecause she's gonna be a lot cheaper.
And how much of a kick inthe ass is that? But that's what
the fuck it is, and that'shappened to me, and that shit's horrible
and it makes you bitter. Youknow, the older you get, your

(51:13):
like a whatever. But that shit'sterrible and that's just the state of radio.
There's no security in it. Sothat's the only reason that I would
say no. But if they said, hey, five year contract or whatever,
you know, yeah you go open. You got a weekend shit man
on your show side show. Idon't show why, but man, it

(51:36):
was so fun having you on thisepisode. Yeah, year man, thank
you guys for having me. Ireally appreciate it. Yeah, it just
all comes to me. You stilltalk out of castle shit, you know
what I mean. But so man, Yeah, you're an incredible person and
like we said in the beginning,you're one of our great friends, and
I'm glad that we are still greatfriends to this day. Yeah, I
love it, y'all. Hit meup on Instagram at malicious you got to

(51:59):
get my life ask radio plug.There it is all until next time.
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