BET Awards Recap, Davido Caught Cheating, Is Hip Hop In Trouble, & More

Tone Kapone, KeKe, and Zach Boog talk BET Awards Recap, Davido Caught Cheating, Is Hip Hop In Trouble, & More

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All right, welcome to it towhat more could I say? Podcast?
It's of everybody. This is episodewriting. What's the name of this episode?
What number? Look at? Toomuch money? At it again?
I don't know what's going on?But now he don't remember the numbers?
He got new jerryall we're been writingtoo much? Waiting minute, what's going

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on? Well, we're gonna callthis episode one twenty six. I'm trying
to find the most recent episode.I don't know. Yeah, I don't
know. All right, we welcometo the show. I'm wanted your host
togal Paul. Let's go ahead,get to the introduction. She's the first
lady, partly the only lady ofthe part. She is fluffy and fine.
Her name is key Key Hey,Hey, hey, friends, and

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Zach damn still dad, A littlebit of a little oppinis going on,
Not to me, y'all too.Yeah, we still be for a little
bit. Well that's a little bit, but okay, okay. You see
my brother who just finished eating beforewe started the pod, so he's gonna
be sleepy during the pod. Uh. Shout out to Zach bug what's up,

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buddy? I may be a skinnyguy if you think that little burger
gonna get me sleepy. You needa little bit more than that, baby,
Okay, you need me. Ineed something with some sauce on it,
something deep fried that's gonna get mesleepy. Some sides, come on
now, he said, some sides, Yeah, sides with bigg Lemonade.
Zach. Well, we want tolet you know right away early in the
pod that Kiki and I missed youduring the Wars. You're kind of uh

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commentary missed everything. Brother. Iwas very sad. I saw y'all out
there living y'all best life in Lainterview in the Top Celebrities and that that
was there at the BT Awards,and I said, damn, I wanted
to be there. Yeah, fun, I was sad. I was sad.
Kinki was amazing. I found anew woman to lust after. Toy

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Bricks is insanity of clothes even thoughshe did you interview that Yeah, no,
she's ship yeah kid where we interviewedhim like the next day. Yeah.
Yeah, So it's kind of weirdlusting. But I want to let
you know, any dude, justfo followed Tory Bricks brocause because you know,

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a lot of times Instagram models lookwild when you see them of coast.
The filters are nuts, Tory bricksis everything and a bag of chips.
Even said it. She got shipslike yeah, she's really cutee proven
and she must be fine and shereal she got like a real girl energy
too. I like her, likedefinitely, definitely. I can see why

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she stole with she kid from whoeverhe was with. You're not turning that
down. You ruin your life likeshit like that easily just ruin your whole
life. Oh easily throw it allaway all the way. I would really
have to think about running my liferight now. You would think about it
right now, right now. JustI can't do it though. This Wow,

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okay anyway, man, BT wasfun for me except for the first
day. The day we got inThursday, I did something stupid and I
want to tell everybody not to dothis. So I have issues right.
I stinging, Like all right,I can't sit in this chair too long.
I saw things started hurting. Ilook, I gotta relaxed. We

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still got two hours and forty minutesleft on this flight. I'm gonna take
this edible I got in my pocket, but I forgot that edible is supposed
to be eighten in half, notthe whole thing. So literally, I
wake up so high. Getting offthe plane was crazy. I want to

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let you wait for your bags.It's crazy when you offer edible trying to
get your bags off that moving thing. He probably think it was almost like
jumping double dust. To get myback, I was like, oh God.
Then I drag it offlow its head. I dragged it. You know

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people grab pick it up. Islave that big off. It was crazy.
It was crazy. So then thelast part of it, it's like,
yo, so you know, laX, you gotta go to go
get your uber. You it's awalk, guys, if you ever been
lax, so walk to get youruber now I want. I wasn't paying
that because I was I was havingtrouble crossing the street. Yea, So

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I paid one hundred and seventy fivedollars to go from the airport to curb
shop pick up. I did ahundred and seventy five dollars to do what
yet from the ride from the airport, black car air water, from from
from the airport to your hotel,I thought she was saying to the damn

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rides your place. No, itwas it was too like it didn't.
The crazy thing is I was sohigh and messed up that the dude had
to like physically get out of thecar shake me to get up. I
was sleeping the backseat of the carlike that. I was like, Oh,
He's like, hey man, youweren't waking up. I was scared.
Scared. What you gotta chill withthese edibles? You gotta specially,

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I gotta know you do, Iknow you was excited. He was like,
Oh, it's a long flight,I'm just gonna pop this whole thing.
And now you sleep in the backof upers. That could have been
bad. You could have been wokeup with glitter on you, which just
happened to me before up. Glitteraround your mouth, not glitter around my
mouth is disgusting. You know,you don't know what happened. Gold around

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your mouth is nasty. All aroundhere asking questions what happened to tone?
I don't know, Oh my god. But other than that, though the
trip was good, I mean,what about you KICKI favorite moment? Anything
weird happened while we was in thatLa No. I had a good time.
I didn't stay in the airport tosound A lot of the pod fan
was asking me, did you tryto cheapen the trip? No? No,

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the trip was good. My favoritepart I don't know we had I
mean it was great. Day twowas amazing. So that was just all
together. So y'all gotta give mesome insight, man, some stories.
I wasn't there, Okay, well, you know I need some stories.
What happened? Well, Tone almostmade me miss the Jez interview because he
went to get a cheese steak andhe didn't bring me one. He actually
did one of your numbers. Ididn't. Yeah, I did the first

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day, but I didn't. Hecouldn't say she was hungry, so I
ain't know. Yeah and so andso that was that. That was different
than me because I at least offeredI got Patty, but I initially offered
to get Yeah, but he madeit back in time. Um, and
then he did. We did talkto Jez. That was dope for me
because he's him and Jez. Theyclearly know each other. Like it's like,
hey, where he was like,yeah, Tone, you might be

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in the book. Yeah yeah,yeah, I remember. I'm like what
they got going on? They're sodope together. Think it was that was
like Kicky got up like like bro, like you like knowing for real,
like you always say that, youknow, Jess, I always said,
like that's it's it's very few.I'm not gonna act like I'm that guy,

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but you kind of are. I'llgive you that I would give to
let me get to his flowers.You really are that guy, and you
know, he's very well respected inthe industry. So it's very fun when
you get to be his plus onesomewhere because then they just automatically give you
a chance. And I'm with allthe boy you know what I'm saying.
I wish they don't even know itbecause they just think, you know,
she wasn't. Yes, So thatwas fun seeing that. And I told

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the people on my Instagram like Iwould like to thank the Lord my ancestors
and talk Pa, but I gotto talk to Jeez. You know.
It was it was no, itwas a great trip. And like I've
been going for the last couple ofyears as Tone's cameraman or woman camera woman,

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and this year I was fully preparedto be his camera woman again.
Ye, and he was like,no, I want you to sit in
on the interview. So it reallyunlocked a new level for myself. Because
I didn't know that I could recordmyself and do thee you know, like
I was like, damn, soyeah, the first day I came like

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dressed down. But baby, thatsecond day, I'll sell he won't me
here, so we today. Um, but yeah, no, it was
a super dump trick and Tone isreally you? I mean, yeah,
yeah, Tone's a good time outof town. I don't know if y'all
kicked it, did y'all kill?A lot of people ask why Kiki I
said, keis not a club Irealized this. Kiki is not a club

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person. Now Quicky is a barhank out person. So if it hadn't
been a lounge at dinner or somethinglike that, you should be honest with
the people. I'm not. I'mnot. I shouldn't be kicking it yet.
I shouldn't be in the club.You gotta earn your levels to stuff
in life. And it will bea time when I will be in the
club Tone. It will be atime, but I'm just not there yet.

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I needed to go back to theroom to edit so we can have
our stuff together on social media.The interviews can be done, but you
do have people that come up inthe industry and because they have a brother
like talking said, damn the interviews. I get to that lady. I
gotta go to the club. Iknow mine, I know why I'm here,
so there will be a talk.I just know if I was there.

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Yeah, you would have been sidewhere we go. Yeah, it
was one of them. I'm gonnatake you. Gotta go next time.
I'm gonna tell you you went thefirst time, you didn't go this time?
What you mean the Empire because youleft early. The Empire brunch was
fire. Shout out to everybody anempire. They had everybody, all the

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DJ's. It had a peasy drinkthat was two million up that was made
out of Hennessy. It was fired. It was just amazing. It was
a. It was a. Itwas a. That was one of my
favorite events. The Capitol Party wasreal cool too. The head of them.
Actually, one of my favorite hotelsto stay at is the madreon Um.
The only thing that outside shout outto BT the Lows Hotel. I'm

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not mad at people to stay atthe Lows. Don't stuff. I just
personally don't like people to sell souvenirsand I don't in front of my hotel.
So if you went out the backon the backside. The Hollywood Boulevard
is a whole nother life likes everybodytaking pictures. But I did take a

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walk because I do this thing whenI go go out of town. I
gotta get new drawls and socks.Oh you get them where you wherever you
go I go, or if Ibring them, but I had to.
It's just the thing. I haveto open up a new Pa Crawls socks,
so I had I didn't have that, So I walked to Marshal's when
I was high the first day.When I finally came that, I was

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coming down and they got these littlefood stands. So they had the hot
dog with baking around it. Iate that. When I finished that,
they had cup I ate that.Yeah. Then they had a little bad
gummies. I ate that. Bythe time I got to the March Tuesday,
I was full full and I hadto go to the bathroom. I

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was like, oh, got abooboo. What am I gonna do?
I ain't gonna use this public toilet, so we gotta we gotta work fast.
Yeah, I gotta get something quick. Queen, Oh my god,
that's a fun trip though, Zach, you missed it. One day,
man, we'll all be able togo together. Who was your favorite interview

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outside of Jeez baby interview Outside ofJeez, I'm gonna go with and I'm
not gonna say toy bricks y'all.I'm not gonna be a creepy His favorite,
Uh, Chris Spencer and his wifeVanessa Suspenser. Because I listened today
they podcast. I thought that wascool. Look like I had a good
time with money Back. Always somemoney that money bags cool. Money Back

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was also a good the interview thebaby was good. Oh my god.
They shout out to Tale another greatidea. He comes every year he puts
something on the table that people love, and it's candy and mints. Because
I don't know if people realize whatthis is is like a two day boot
camp. And you go and youare in this room with a thousand other

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radio stations and media people and allday, from like ten am to five
pm, you do not leave thisroom. You are doing speed dating interviews
with celebrities, and it's like youdon't know who come in or when they
coming. You just gotta be readyfor whoever sit down. So Toe had
thought of this great idea where hegets candy and mints and puts it on
the table. That instantly takes yourtable to another level because everybody wants to

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come over there is Yeah, Sothat was though. Everybody was coming eating
the candy. That's it that it'sa conversation started people there. People were
like, oh man, let me, let me come over back over here.
They got candy. It's just andwhen when an artist sit down and
makes them comfortable, candy can andand just goodies make people happy. I

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had to have some. I hadto shake a cup. They had to
let That's the what the radio room. I'm gonna tell you bet, y'all
want them interviews to go viral.Burrow and y'all want them. Celebrities there
a little earlier than what they supposedto be and they hang out. I'm
gonna tell you bet, the baris the bar. Yes, don't let

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it. You don't know. Whatyou don't want to do is let them
over drink. What you do isyou have somebody batch up cocktails. But
they're gonna get people some buzz personally, probably Hennessy cocktails. Haven't shake them
up, shake them up greeting cocktails. Everybody gonna be hanging by the bar.
People gonna want to do them interviewsand talk that talk, because that's

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all. That's the one thing theradio room is missing is the bar,
a little bar. I'm scared.That's it. I wanted to happen.
It's got to happen. Let's getto this man speaking of scared. More
things that happened during the BET AwardsJT A little oozy VERTU. That was
crazy, man, um Like,it was just it happened out of the
blue, and we're like, what'sgoing on, Zach when you saw that?

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I mean, you watch it?What's going on? What were you
thinking? What we're talking about?Food? He ain't? JT? And
little USI vert Okay. The firstthing you have to realize it's rules to
the game. Me and Tone havegiving you this rule time and time again.
When you are dating or in arelationship with a woman, Okay,

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when there are other fine women around, guess what. Your woman has already
identified every other fine woman. Sheknows who you like. When you're gonna
like them before you even seen them? True, Okay, you cannot he
he hi hi talk too long toknow fine attractive woman? Your job if
they if you do end up ina situation that little USI vert was in

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where you're talking to somebody what hedidn't do. You have to go out
your way to include your woman.Hello. You have to turn aroun around
and be like crazy what you take? Hey, yeah, crazy, that
is what you supposed to do.You don't sit there and take a cool

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hand on the chin picture with awith a with a with a fine chick
that you didn't have a rap thatyou wrapped about in the song before that
you didn't gave a lyric to neverever, And if you did take the
picture, you need to make itsilly, like hey, you know what
I'm You definitely don't need to belooking not the sexy thing. You don't
even taking sexy, biting your limphead up, hold your cry that ain't

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gonna be here, that touched outevery time hit with a phone and hit
with a phone, you're hit witha phone now. The only thing is
lousy, very not me. Iwant to let you know, ladies,
you hit me with a phone sober, I'm taking that phone as legged it
into something hard and busting up.I'm gonna take it up. You think
I'm to the wall, What y'allrong. You think you're gonna phone what?

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Oh so I can? What shouldI do? Just get hit by
little busy gay right on up,follow behind his woman and walked on out
with her. He didn't do that. And that's another thing. U.
Let you know that j T musthave that fire. He got that fire.
That man got up and apologize like, hey, hey, hey,

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I think it was I don't knowwhat was going on. Yeah, yeah,
well you saw that though, didyou instantly like? Yeah, girl,
No, I don't. I didn'tsurprisingly, Um, I didn't.
I didn't like it. I don'tlike it. I don't like putting hands
on people and throwing stuff. Ijust don't like you know what I'm saying.
I don't like to do that.Yeah, I'm not a violin girl,

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and not in public especially. Um, that's like the ultimate disrespect.
And y'all let the ward show.He just opened up the show. This
is his moment, like you justdid that. But he was out of
line, like you, why don'tyou supposed for selfies with her like that?
Why that was out of line?So when I when he would have
came back to the seato, Icame back to see what an eight years
time to go. You know what, understand it's time to go. And

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whatever I do to you in thiscar is between me, you and the
driver. So I would have hadto my business in the car versus right
there is that's the only difference.Yeah, So you would have hit him
in the face with the phone inthe car, in the car close range,
close range. Yeah, if you'regonna do it, do it,
damn because he got Yeah, Noyou can't, you can't know. So

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let me let me ask you thisthough. Man, it's been a lot
of Uh, it's a lot oftelling going on. Chicks telling at an
alarming rate. Zion WIBs. Shehis side, chicktold somebody else's side,
chicktoe. And I woke up todayand saw Dovey dough usually Oh that the

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veto? Whatever him? Though?No, man, yes, yes it's
the veto. It's not definitely,not definitely said though dad up again?
Veto right? Okay? That name, And uh, I need to know
how long this man's been calling himDobbie Doough. I hope he's been doing
all year. What if he satdown at the thing to be interviewed,

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I would have fell out. Iwould have passed, Like how you saying
his name again the veto. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Who who told me?
Who told me? Well, yousee the white name, you're just
gonna ask me extra something to Sarah. Her name is Sarah Sara. So

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we sitting here with Sara, likehow he said, do do de vito?
No? Oh my god, that'slike you know. Some of the
tricks though that I did, likesome people name I remember when they sat

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down. I would be like,Kiki, you got this, don't leading
like I don't know, I don'tknow. Oh my god, with the
ladies saying her name, I gottago to go ahead and lead it.

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Table was so funny, man,that is so funny. Oh lord,
all right, well Davey though Gabeto, he had his side chicks speak out,
which I was surprised. My Avocanbrothers usually don't hide. None of
that happen to him, man,My Avacan brothers keep it. They they
don't play none of them type ofgames, none of this. They don't

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be on none of this type oftime. So I was surprised there's something
leaked out like this, Kiki,why chicks doing this? They are ruining
the bag right now for them selves. Yeah, because y'all make promises that
y'all can't keep. Like I'm sure, Dobby though, So like you the
one you might you, you're thegirl I'm about to marry you, the
one I'm gonna be with. Yougotta do it like an old school player.

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Like all my uncle sad chicks.They ain't never stepped out of line.
You know what I'm saying. Heain't never step you know, ain't
I think wild side chick. Igot like twelve uncles on know that you
never want to know what I'm talkingabout. But I'm just saying all the

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old school players, I know theirhouses. They've never been interrupted like that
because they sat, they come straightthrough the dough. Look, I got
a wife. You know what I'msaying. You're my sad piece, and
that's how we're gonna keep it.And everybody understand their role in position and
agrees, you know what I'm saying. But they're going out getting these girls
and selling them pipe dreams and thendoing something completely different, so then they

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heartbroken at home, upset. Butlike if you had told me that I
was your side chick from the beginning, Dobby, though, then I would
not be expected to be wiped up. You know what I'm saying, Like
you gotta just come through the doughand be all school players. They not
disrespecting their wife. I mean,they definitely disrespect their wife as they cheam,
but they are never publish. Letme ask you this, it's de
Vito. Is he married? I'mAfrican. I'm sure he got a couple.

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He is married. Here's the differencebetween your uncles and de Vito in
these times? It's a difference.Now, what's the difference men of this
age? Now? We love allour hope and that's the problem with you.
Every single one love their women.Now, you know what I'm saying.
Back in the day, Back inthe day I think you had women,

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you'd be like, you know what, I don't love you. I
just like what you're doing for meright now. But nowadays, guess what
brothers was liking, every last oneof them. I like you all,
and that's the problem, you knowwhat I'm saying. So he may not
have been a line, no Ilove you girl. I gotta love for
everybody. So like I feel likea lot of my old players in my
life, they love they side womento take care of them, help raise
their kids. If they really lovethem, but they know not to disrespect

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their wife. They know not toupset the house. So here the thing
what has changed, What has changedis the respect that the side chick had
for the wife. That has changed. So you blame it on the man.
The men ben cheating. Men ain'tgot smarter, men ain't get dumber.
You know, No, they didn'tknow. They didn't. You said
they're taking cares side families and everything. Men have had families across town doing

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the same exact thing. The onlything has changed is social media, and
women no longer have respect for themain chick no more. But I think
that so you owner something. Comeon, what I'm telling you, owner

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something? What I think what itis is, this is something y'all.
Side chicks, if you want andyou're happy in your sadness, don't go
looking for the main chicks page.No, don't go lookingcause I think what
happens is you following the main chick. He doing his main chick thing with
his girl that she wouldn't never see. They're going on trips, they at

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a dinner, she doing it,you know. And when women's social media,
it's just gonna look better. Whatevera woman is doing on social media.
It's just gonna look way more thanit is, extravagant than what it
is. Sometimes y'all just know howto use it. I think that's what's
happening, and that's what's causing someof the issues. This is a thing
though, side chicks, and Iget it. You got the baby in

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you're gonna get some child support,but you're gonna lead lose your access to
the man. Yes, and ifthat, in most cases, you are
probably not on the same social statusthat that guy is, so remaining cool
with him maybe not. Y'all nottogether. Let's say y'all the siding as
you tied to me in the side, I'm done, but you'd be cool

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and you're gonna say nothing. Youstill can have some access because the dude
gonna remember, he gonna be like, yo, he knew he was doing
you bogus, he knew you wasa side chick. But you're gonna let's
say you need an you want togo to a con, Say you need
a couple of dollars. You ina jam. You don't need this.
A real dude is gonna respect youbecause you never try to out him and
was like I got you, yougonna always kind of have a little place

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and it's hard to look out foryou. But when you do this type
of stuff like, yeah, I'vebeen seeing people trying to out Lebron.
You think Lebron like, why y'allsteady trying to out the most some of
the most powerful that can't do nothingbut help you in your life sometimes And
you know why, even when theytry to out Lebron, it goes nowhere

(24:32):
because he knows how to cheat responsibly, which is what I'm trying to say.
He cheats like he cheats like anold school man. Nobody touching Savannah.
Dumb holes ain't never coming to Savannahthe front door. Ever. I
don't know. If I don't eventhink Lebron has holes, I will not
publicly get on this microphone and sayLebron Hans holds and that's why to chea

(24:52):
responsibly. Nope, I don't know. He does not. Haven't haven't unprotected
sex. It's wild anyway with outsidea somebody that you like. Well,
let me tell you some about kicks. Uncles. Tell you something about kikiS.
Uncles say you know what you know, school man, school man,

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And that's why they have sad families. And yeah, but I'm telling you
they have their wives and they foundlike it never gets interrupted, you never
until these days. You have theuncle's they at the funeral, that's when
you found out about the side,the sad son or daughter at the funeral.
This man is dead, he ain'teven he ain't hit no more before
he let something come to his wife. That's y'all irresponsible. That killed him.

(25:40):
Yall to hide that child. Butyour family where it's like, y'all
enough in to a funeral and somebodylike who is that? He looked just
like uncle Earl? Who is that? You found out that we never had
that? And I found it.I mean, I don't really do that.

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But what in the hell? Whydid that come up? Why did
she do that again? Why didshe do that? Dog? I was
about to make a play. Whydid she do that again? All the

(26:29):
way through the la some of thebiggest stars in the world, she come
back. He hated nothing against Latin, nothing against my Lasteeno friends. And
I love y'all to depth, butI'm not Hispanic. I am African.
I'm astually West African sixty two percentaccording to twenty hit me. What's the

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other part, Oh my god,I had to I okay, I lost
my trader said, but what Flazianthis food snort? Ah, Man,
I don't like y'all got no uncleearl with an instra baby. That's this

(27:18):
is the reason why I've had celebritygirl friends that nobody knows about. And
I'm still cool with okay, becauseI won't. I would never say I
would never say nothing. It's stupidfor dudes to say stuff. It's stupid.
It is. I mean, Ijust think for some of the women,
I get it. You might gotpromise some stuff, you might got
somebody read your feelings, got hurtor whatever. But at the end of
the day, like, oh mygod, keep your mouth because because he's

(27:41):
only gonna give you two seconds offast talk about it too. It was
never enough. Where did Where wasthe outlet for side chicks to tell back
in the day. But I recallShirley, y'all ain't never heard the yeah,
but it took up. That takesmore of a woman like that.
Got a really man up with somestuff and deal with it. To go
to somebody how or call when you'vebeen on a Twitter when you tweet,

(28:03):
you can do that emotionally. Youget on Instagram, you can post that
because you and your feelings right theninstant boom and get your followers to see
it. You gotta go tell yourfriend and then y'all got to go to
her house back in the day.That's why I was less getting called up.
That's true. I agree with that, but he can't just tell it
even off an emotional wham. Ijust feel like fellas if you just cheat
responsibly, everybody be happy. IfI was a man, I feel like

(28:25):
I would have like a wife,and then my side piece like, tell
us what you would do. I'mnot a man, So this is just
if I was a man. IfI was a cheating ass man, my

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wife would never feel my other life, But what would you have? My
wife would never like I would belike Lebron, Savannah can walk anywhere and
go anywhere. I'm not gonna keepI'm not saying Lebron cheating. He ain't.
That's why that's why you can saythat he's not because there's no proof.
Will now have no credibility because hehad never given them no credibility.

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You're not taking no pictures with him, you're not catching him up or nowhere.
He's very cheats, very responsibly.I don't think I don't know if
he cheats. I think none ofus know because he's doing it right.
That's why. That's how I'm tryingto say. So, it's a right
way to cheat. It's a rightway to cheat. Yes, y'all gonna
do it anyway, from the tonecomponents of the world to the mail man.

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No matter how rich you are,y'all go. You can be broke.
You're gonna cheat. It's just Idon't. I don't. I don't
believe the flesh is weak. Igot that from you. I've learned this
over the years, though, yougotta be able to like. Look,
I can say this, like beingin Chicago, it's a lot easier not
to cheat. It's a lot easier. It's a lot easier. Demographic La,

(29:56):
Atlanta, d C. Houston mightbe tougher, even throwing the Dallas
in there. See maybe and forsure, Miami, right, Miami attacked
every time I attest your life,every good old Midwestern city. You ain't
got nothing to worry about, man. But I ain't gonna lie. I
was in La. I saw somewomen in Chicago. Have you why you

(30:17):
why do you look like that?See like why you and us people are
so nice to me? M niceto me? In Chicago, we're not
nice. You know what I'm saying. We not like that. Well,
I'm gonna tell you some summertimes Chicagothey throw out. There'd be some new
ones, some new women that thawout in the summer that they only come
out when the temperature is eighty andabove. And you'd be like, who

(30:41):
are you? Where have you been? They'd be sitting up on the couch
at the wit. You'd be like, who is that? See that is?
You should have seen me at TonCapone's birthday party. You see what
I'm saying. And you know,Jesus Christ, I see who are these?
I ain't seen them before. Ifyou're gonna have multiples, just to
be responsible, I'm gonna say mybirthday party right now, it's still the
champion right now, absolutely for thefor a top quality women for that party

(31:06):
that it might be still number one, it's gonna get knocked out because I
know Drake is coming to town,Drake and they're gonna it's a couple of
events that Chives is hosting. DrakeParty is going to destroy its best party,
but it was intimate. Though yourparty was like it was packed,
but it was still intimate. Anduh, I think we got I got
something that's gonna I think something that'sgonna happen doing black Boat Beach Week.

(31:30):
I think something then happen, lollapalooza. I think I got some more tricks
up here. Obviously, no,not for me. I just think it's
gonna be party parties. It's gonnaovertake it, overtake it. I definitely
think. But right now I thinkI see I got the number one.
We'll see Zach shir ahead of time, shout out a few good men.
Um, let me go ahead andget to this. What what did you

(31:52):
say? What I mean lying again? What do you even need to Zack
had a good time. I waslike, I didn't do nothing. I
just went home and pray you hada good time that part. Yeah,
I laugh and went to work.Okay, wait, okay, early in
the morning. All right, thankgod, ay man, all right,
let's get to this, this lastlittle thing I want to talk about.

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Um, this is the thing whereCardi B, Cardi B. You got
Cardi B, you got a loton, you got Globilla, you got
all of these women out making goodmusic. This is a music question,
right, he guys, we gotall this great music out here. You
got ba Wall saying, which Ididn't know. There's been no number one
rap song, no number one rapsong to chart this year in twenty twenty

(32:38):
three, which is crazy for hiphop. Do you think that the women
are now leading a charge in away that what the dudes, just the
dudes have to catch up to makehip hop be what it be, what
it's supposed to be in twenty twentythree, or is it you think it's
on this way down the I'm gonnatell you something. I'm gonna be completely

(32:58):
honest, and y'all can fight meon this. But even the records that
are actually doing well aren't that goodto me this year. They haven't been.
The best song I've heard this yearis to me was Dirt and Jacole
That all my life. As faras like a universal record that I think
could win number one, even what'sthe hot song? Now, Rip Me

(33:19):
Out the Plastic I've been acting.That's a good Rip Me Out the Plastic
is a catchy song, but it'snot catchy enough to go number one.
It has to be inclusive for everybody. Nobody's like, it's not. You
can't recite anything out of rich me, out the plastics. I've been acting,
Brandon. If you like, that'sall you can say, you know
what I'm saying, and you justkind of fade off. You don't know

(33:40):
the second verse. You don't know. I love girls, you know some
peoplestand if you're that core audience,you do women. But I'm saying,
like, outside of that, you'rejust not gonna get big records. You
gotta have a big record shawty RedPound Town. That's too it's too vulgar.
That's not gonna be a number onerecord. I'm sorry now, but
I just like I do like thatsuch Yeah, I mean I had the

(34:02):
fact check this, yeah, andit's and this is why I think it
is. I don't think we've beenputting out quality records right now. It's
not it's not. Maybe Drake cando it. When he dropped this summer,
you know what, saying, he'llcome up with something that's always you
know, catchy. But if Drakedon't do it, we in trouble.
No we can do it, weare in trouble. Like even just looking

(34:22):
at the BT awards we did intrus We are in trouble. I don't
know if hip hop gonna last anotherfifty years. No, in trouble.
That's not that's not fair. ButI will say this, there's a there's
a couple of things that need tobe fixed. I think it fixable.
One we gotta get back to.I don't know where this narrative the radio
is did Uh, trust me,people still listen to the radio. I

(34:45):
keep saying, anything that's free ain'tnever going away. Uh, there's only
so much you could do with aplaylist, Spotify, all these other things
I heard. You still need tohave that personal touch. But also with
that personal touch, you got tobring back or artists are coming back in
the radio stations and doing interviews anddoing these promo runs because a lot of
times with these radio personis, whichis crazy, these dudes, of these

(35:08):
women, these men, their songsare bigger than than they are. So
a lot of times in the radioroom, this is what's happening. They're
like, I got such and suchcoming And then they say you're looking at
them like okay, and they're likeno, no. They sing blah blah
blah blah blah, blah and belike, oh yeah, that happened pretty

(35:30):
much the whole time, the wholeday. That's because TikTok is breaking the
songs and we're watching videos of hearingthe song and never seeing the artists never
bring them back in radio. They'redoing promo runs, they taking pictures with
the We are a promotion vehicle forthe artists. I understand that, but
I don't think the records have beengood enough to surpass outside of their core

(35:50):
audience. What records do you thinkcould have been a number one record if
they had radio. No, Idon't. I don't think. I don't
you make a point. I'm sayingit is still that's that's a part of
the fix. I'm not saying thatthis is the fix they have. They
have to make better records. Imean, you know, I'm Ice Spice.
She uses some of the same beatsthat five year four and the New

(36:13):
York drill. That's same. Doesn'tsound like nothing, it's not. It's
the same thing. I like.I like what Ice Spice is doing.
I just think it needs a littlebit more of a variation. I think
when you letting like somebody, letme hear somebody, uh my daughter.
Let me hear somebody. I can'tthink of the name. I want to
out nobody, but Buddy sounded exactlylike Bryson Tiller. Like I'm talking from

(36:36):
the entire the runs that everything like, it's brighton, it's literally But I
like, come on, dog,you can't be creative. You can't Bryson.
We gotta Bryson. It's too late. He here. Yeah, that's
the one thing I think that alot of people have made. Okay that
Hey, I'll give you this too. It all started, unfortunately, in

(36:58):
no shade to him with Designer.Designer one thousand percent sounded like future and
we all knew it, and weall knew it. Panda sounded like future,
but then it got, then itgot then he started having a little
variations in it, but for thenotoriety purpose, it was a future record
that didn't have future own it.Yeah, I mean what was alarment to

(37:19):
me? So for you, it'sthe records, they just need better,
better quality records. For you,it's the artists are not as big as
their songs. That's all. Bothare true. What really got me was
watching the award show and because wewere celebrating fifty years of hip hop.
They were half of Legend perform IceSpice, A legend perform a Lotto,
A Legend perform the next Coco Jones, And it's like when you up there

(37:43):
on that stage, the comparison asa viewer's crazy. They can't they don't
command a stage, they don't engagewith the audience, they don't know how
to sing for real or rap forreal. It's also it's like and when
you put them next to legends,that gets revealed. Excuse my lief,
it gets revealed. So it's likethat was what made me feel like,

(38:05):
oh, we're in trouble because theyactually had studs Pete and Jarrou come out
and perform for thirty seconds a pieceand went into a four two minute Ice
Spice performance. And when I tellyou, I was looking like, what
the hell is is this the future? N Yeah, we're in trouble,
the different stuff. We're in bigtrouble with that the big rag. You

(38:27):
got Master Pete coming out, MasterPete fifty fifty and he coming out there,
but no living soldier, and it'slike it's like the whole and I
was in there, I was inthere watching the whole situation is everybody up.
They went, I'm talking crazy youngold whatever. They went crazy man

(38:51):
comes down riding on a bike.They were crazy. When Jyru came out,
you thought it was Jesus Jule,To be honest with you had the
biggest performance, the biggest performance ofall the old school artists, because you
remember, I wish people would giveJarro his flowers, like let's stop,
let's stop acting like Ja Rule one, Like I really wish that for us.
But what's scary about it is intwenty years, I think Icepice song

(39:16):
is gonna ring off like we stillsing a jar Rule record, or like
we still sing a uh Trainer record. You know what I'm saying, Like
that's when when I'm if I'm anew artist, That's what I'm coming in
on, Like what's gonna steal?What am I doing that's still gonna be
impactful twenty because it's sad to lookat because we're celebrating somebody like Buster Ramps,
who you know, people like,oh that's Buster, but like he

(39:38):
still he came out hen the bestpart of the show. I'm gonna tell
y'all, the best rap album I'veheard this year is between Gunna and His
new album is called Between Gunna andKiller Mike, and I still do not
think I heard a number one recordon them album. I'm gonna tell you
what put out a decent album.I still didn't all my life. I

(40:00):
think has the potential. No,it's gonna go to be number one.
I think that's the only record I'veheard this year that I think has a
potential to be a number one's record. But this is also another thing,
is that you also are getting peoplethat are making songs that are not for
every piece of I guess listening,you know what I mean. I can't

(40:20):
listen. I listen to it inmy car. Who I'm fired up?
Oh, I hear this in theclub. Na, I'm still fired up.
I hear this on rooftop. Ihear this anyway. This that's the
thing. That's why the girls theladies records, because ladies not making nothing.
They can't twork to nothing. Theyprobably in there like can I Oh
no, that's ain't good. Theyare having these queen records. When I
was younger, we made feel goodrecords. The street dudes made feel good.

(40:46):
Street dudes are not I got hundredson the table, twenties on the
floor fresh y'all to work on theway and I love dude, and I
love it. You can play thatanywhere anywhere anyway. My grandma will dance
to that because it's a certain feelingit has. She don't know what he's
talking about, but it's a firtand feeling. Now we're making shoot him

(41:06):
up in the head, beat himup that that don't sound. It don't
sound. And to be honest,I think the problem has come in.
I don't want to sound old becausewe're not old, but I just want
to like it's the facts are thefacts. A lot of these artists are
getting deals off their social media following. So because he had a song go
viral on social media, you givehim a record deal, and now he's
he's what the label is getting behindWhen you really got somebody who is talented

(41:27):
as hell, but probably when Gapfat thousand follow us and they're not getting
that same opportunity, And it's likestarting to show at this point, like
you know what I'm saying. Yougot somebody that's winning for the best rap
category or best female or R andB category and they can't really seen for
real, you know, or theycan't really rap for real. So it's
like, let's stop chasing the socialmedia cloud and let's get back to really

(41:47):
developing real superstars because I think evenin radio, like I ain't gonna go
down that lane. But it's alot of people that, you know what
I'm saying, that come in therein the game and they could sit them
onto the legends, and the legendswill pour into them and they groom them
over the years and they got potentialto be superstars. And then you got
people that got a million followers andsound crazy. Ye you know what I'm

(42:09):
saying. They they here today andgo on tomorrow. So it's like,
you gotta I think we gotta stopdoing this social media following bas because it's
really revealing when you put Ice Spiceto perform after jar role, like that's
crazy. Lotto. Sorry, soI just want Lotto. I feel like

(42:30):
has a lot of potential. Ifeel like she's talented, she's been developed,
she's and that's why she that's whyher records is ringing off the way
they ring it off. And Ifeel like she got potential. I say,
I feel the same thing for CoyLarey. Yeah, I feel like
Coilray got potential and she gonna gofar because she gotta. She's actually talented.
But a lot of these yeah,shout out be it. There a

(42:51):
lot of people that's been just foundoff TikTok. It's like you put them
on stage and this is what itlooks. It looks crazy. No,
no, it is. Some ofthat is between. That's some stuff that
I that I talked to my daughterabout in a way, and how to
be a star and how there's certainqualities as an it the thing. And
I'm like, yo, just becausesomebody got a lot of followers, just

(43:14):
because it's still star power. Itis something about a star. Somebody can
get up even if they just talkingto you can't get up and command an
audience because they have this type ofenergy that just comes out of them.
Um. And you know, likeand that was some of the things I
said. You know some of thefight back pushback is where you had a
social media guys they're like, yo, well I got all these followers.

(43:36):
I mean it means people like towatch me. That's that's a fact.
That is a fact. But thatalso means you might need to develop that
other part, that live audience partof it, or the music's got to
be better, Zach. You know, I mean, it's plenty of internet
comedians, plenty of social media comedians. They can't get up in front of

(43:57):
the contract. It's a few thatdo you know what I'm saying. Uh,
Country Waine can make it translate,DC Young Fly made it translate,
um, but about Druski did notmake it translate to me? Okay,
to me? I don't know ifI like. I think he's funny on
social media, you know what hostingTV personality type. But I don't think
he got stand up chops, youknow what I'm saying. So it takes.

(44:21):
It's like you said, you gotto be able to command a room,
the thousands of people and make themlaugh. That's tough to do.
Everybody can't do it. And that'swhat used to be special about celebrities is
they were celebrities and they were special. It was. It wasn't because they
could have a lot of followers.That doesn't that doesn't matter. You know
who else got a lot of followus? A man to be like one,

(44:43):
two three, look as I don'tknow what he is. He just
be counting, but funny. Don'tknow what I'm talking about? What are
you following one? What in thehell are you following? They kicking out

(45:04):
of you know, yes, butthat's the sad part about it, and
we're in trouble. Hip hop isin trouble. I don't think so soundly
I do because these labels are continuingto push the trash. I don't think
so. I just think that theyput No, I'm not saying I don't
think they're pushing some of the wrongsituations. Let me but I think everything

(45:25):
corrects itself. I remember hearing peoplewhen they were talking about rock and roll.
I remember when people were talking aboutwhat corrected it correct just a hip
hop. It's only fifty years old. There's been no correction. We're getting
worse. It's going to correct itself. Think that you R and B did
not get fit because because the marketplaceis gonna make you correct it. The

(45:49):
marketplace, the listener not gonna listento your ass. Here's the thing,
Yes, okay, Oh, Ilove that you said that the marketplace is
gonna correct it. When when youhave an idea, when you and you
have an idea of what actually talentsounds like. So let me tell you
what's gonna happen our generation me andKiki around. Our age is the last
generation that got a chance to hearthe real generation. And now you started

(46:13):
hip hop, you are you are, you are a founder. You are
the same age, all right.So our generation was the first ones that
got to see the stuff that waslike super talented groups, the R and
B groups we called that. We'scalled the jay zs, the Kanye West,
the super talented artist. And thenwe also got to see the trash
that we were like, I can'tlisten to this? This is track?

(46:35):
What are y'all talking about? Wesaw both. Here's what I'm scared of
the generation who was growing up.Now. Okay, my son is two,
gay, he's gonna grow up.He growing up to Poundtown. Okay,
it's one of the hottest songs.He's not gonna have any recollection of
the older stuff that's actually good andit doesn't correct itself because you have nothing

(46:58):
to compare it too. And nowthat becomes your norm, and now that
becomes this is what hip hop is. Hip hop is just just trash music.
This is what they make over here. You don't have the the we
you don't have that balance. Youunderstand what I'm saying. I feel if
you do it for so long,I think it'll correct itself because guess what,
the trash is still selling. Ifit wasn't selling, then I would

(47:21):
say that it's not selling. Obviously, if it's a normal number one,
it's doing good. It's a differencewhen not to sell. What's gonna happen
is the narrative is hip hop iswhat's gonna happen. As hip hop doesn't
make number one records, that's what'sgonna be, and it's gonna become that's
gonna become. That's what I'm worriedabout. I can't say that's what's gonna
happen because that's what I'm worried about. Our generation was hip hop. We
control the culture, We make everythingcool. We were what's to follow because

(47:43):
the numbers reveal that, and that'swhy everybody wants to bite off a hip
hop. If we keep going theway we're going, it's gonna look crazy.
However, I do believe cream risesto the top. So while you
can have a million people doing internetcomedy, the real people with Township It's
gonna write, gonna rise to thetop and they're gonna lead the culture.
Same thing with the music. Thepeople that are just here doing these tiktoko,

(48:07):
the real ones that's really talented,that's been prepared, that's ready for
their time, They're gonna rise tothe top and hopefully they lead the little
babies, the Lotos, the Dirks, the you know whoever they they're gonna
lead. They're gonna end up leadingthe culture. And that's what I love.
Little baby, I love Lotto andI love dirt, But I don't
think that's them not gonna be theartists to get us out of it.
And I'm just gonna be completely They'reso young, they're so dope. Don't

(48:30):
get me. A Loto is on. If you had to invest in a
stock that was hip hop, ifI had to invest into a stock they
had to do a hip hop.I'm invested in Lotto and I'm gonna put
my money on lotty and dirt.I'm gonna put my money on dirt and
a lot of it because I'm gonnabe one moment away. This is the

(48:50):
thing I'm telling you I hate becausethe dirt is Dirk is on the break
because this this this right here.A lot of those, a lot of
those artists, you don't get wedon't give it credit for what they watch
right in a sense of they likeathletes in a way. How athletes watch
other athletes playing, How athletes arechecking other athletes stats and they look at
they're looking at the same thing,like all, well, I ain't charting.

(49:14):
I just made this record, andI thought it was fire was above
me. All the Afro Beats isabove me, the girls is above me.
I don't even make a record thatsomebody that people are going to dance
too. That's I think that isis using a hip hop that you cannot
dance to. None of this.Nobody wants to hear you because everybody's sad,

(49:35):
depressing on drugs. Yeah, yeah, that's why beats came roaring into
the culture. Yeah, that's becausewe could dance again again. That's true.
That's very true because I I hostedmy little nephew, fourteen year old,
his eighth grade dance and Baby,when I tell you d Lobo king
that the kids are still bopping.That's their party up. They that's their

(49:57):
their record, the dlo And it'slike they haven't been able to dance again
since that because Ryan waves sad sayss'ssaying, you know, we all said,
you know, Dirk and depressed,here's the gang. Here's the thing.
Those those people that you just named, and I love them as artists.
I'm not trying to take anything awayfrom them. In a different era,
they would not make the BET Awards, they would not have number one

(50:21):
records in a different era. Youput you put them. Yes, man,
I know, I know it's notfair. I know it's not a
fair comparison. But I'm saying,these the people that you just named,
that you think it's gonna carry uson. I'm sorry. As much as
I love Little Baby, little Babywould not be getting played when Ti dropped
his album, Geez dropped his stuff, and we would we would have got

(50:43):
to Little Baby a little, alittle last, we would have got to
Little Baby. It's not fair.But that's when I think that's not fair,
because you're naming some of the besthip hop artists of all time.
Jeez and T are one of thebest hip hop artists of all time period.
It's not even now you can't butwe knew it when they were doing

(51:06):
it. It's what I'm trying tosay. Oh my god, you cannot
tell me we did not know.I'm gonna tell you when TM. When
TM one O three came out,it was in everybody's car undenowably, but
women like it consistently like this.I knew I was watching greatness, okay,

(51:27):
and you know you heard it,you know you felt it. Now
when I hear these new right,I don't know that I'm feeling greatness.
I know it's hot right now.It feels good right now, right right.
You hear greatness when you hear meout the plas, that's greatness.

(51:49):
That's that's the hottest thing out rightnow. That ain't hey you women around
No, No, that's when Idraw the line. That is not greatness.
We're going to see that. Iget excited. That's when I drop.
All right, man, thoughts yougotta get out of here. Man,
come on, I'm really enjoying this. I would actually like to pick
up the next spot. In thesame argument, I've never seen Zach more

(52:12):
passionate. M I'm sorry, no, I'm not no shape to ice spice.
But it really just people who putlow effort and it whatever looks like
low effort to me pisses me off. And that's just what that is.
So it's not personal. It's justthat you look low. It looks low
effort, and I don't appreciate itas a consumer. WHOA okay, all
right, Zack final thoughts? Allright? My final thought is, man,

(52:36):
let's try to keep hip hop alive. Artists. I challenge you all
to come out with your best record. Sometimes you don't have to come out.
What happened y'all started coming out withthat speed, and I blame Future
and Chris Brown. Future, Chrisis still doing this thing do speed though?
Like he right, Future had anerror where he dropped so many mixed
tapes of quality back to back toback people's the industry started to follow that,

(53:01):
like, oh, we need tobe like that. But you got
to be locked in to do somestuff like that. And you also have
to understand that those records he hadfor a while that wasn't stuff that he
just was putting out that day.Let me tell you something. If you've
recorded five, six, seven songs, guess what they ain't ready? Yes,
take your time. Man. Ihate hearing these artists on interviews say,

(53:22):
so I had gotten the studio,I had made it, and yea,
it blew up. So I'm here. I've been rapping about a year.
See that makes me mad. I'dbe like, oh, you're not
gonna last. Yeah, you're notgonna last. You don't even talking to
Mike yet and you're doing shows.Yeah, that's that's my final thought.
All right man, all right,y'all, we can't wrap it up.

(53:43):
Hey, thanks everybody for watching.I don't really have any final thoughts.
Just want you to share the pod, shared, share, and share it
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