WWE Clash at the Castle & AEW All Out Previews - 09/02/22

Jon Jansen, Jason Fanelli, Vaughn Johnson, and Nick Piccone talk all things WWE and AEW as they both have huge PPVs this Labor Day Weekend!

Episode Transcript

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I used to ride on the hireplaying with the Cosmonasu Space. I tasted
love and a taste of pain.Everything tastes the same. Man, Well,
I'm no Ki, who know Superman, Double Woman, die Long,
I pack my bags, I'll shellmy cash. You gotta get out.

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Well, we'll d everybody, everyeverybody, everybody. It is a busy

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week in the wrestling world. It'sa busy weekend in general. All right,
there's football on a bunch of collegefor ball, and then we got
National Cinema Day on Saturday. Butthen then this weekend they decided to wrap
together doing Labor Day weekend, twowrestling shows, and yeah, it's a
lot. But when there are wrestlingshows, that means we have to get

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the round table together and talk aboutit all. So this is the Wrestling
Roundtable and you can find it overat FOXPHL Gambler dot com. As always
podcasted and sometimes over on the linechange as well on Fridays, but busy
this Friday, so instead this isa podcast everything you need and we take
a look at the pools to figureout what we can and cannot kind of,

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you know, put some steaks onthis weekend's event. So joining me
as always. Jason Vinelli of CheeseSteaks and Controllers. Also Nick Bacone and
Von Johnson of Shooters Radio podcast.It is an excellent podcast that I have
not joined yet because I am busyas heck, and I really need to
as well, because Nick and Vaughanare excellent on the pod, so Shooters

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Radio check that out as well.But guys, it is a busy,
busy weekend. So I guess let'sstart with kind of coming into this weekend,
I feel like one wrestling company,WWE, has been starting to get
some positive things about them, andaew kind of feels lost at this point.
So coming into the weekend, yourthoughts on the two shows. I'll

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start with you, Nick, becauseI'll be honest with you, Like if
we were talking about a couple monthsago, I'm pretty sure we would have
all said, oh, we're excitedfor aw you know this WWE show.
Who cares about it? But youknow, I feel the opposite way at
this point. I mean we kindof figured, you know, let's see

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I'm punk return. That would behim and John Moxley at the pay per
view, and it's just the waythey went about it that's kind of like
not AW style almost you know,thrown together main event with two weeks build,
three weeks build, maybe Max.You know, we're so used to
AW building up everything for their payper views, so by now, you

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know, the week or two before, we know what to expect. Pretty
much the whole cards filled out,So this is like a little different.
You know, you have that mainevent angle with John Moxley and Sampunk this
past Wednesday on Dynamite. I mean, their pay per view was Sunday,
So it's a little it's just notAW style, and I think that's why

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some people are kind of like,man, what's going on because this isn't
what we expect. And at thesame time, you have people thinking,
well, if they decided to gowith that shorter build, they couldn't have
done a better job either, youknow, passionate promos, Sampunk doubting himself.
John Moxley is being like, hey, I'm better than everybody. It
really kind of you know, theycould do a lot worse with the short

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build, so I'll give them that, but I do think it's kind of
hokey the wait they went, youknow, telling the story Sampunk came back
too soon, hurt his foot,and now he's okay, it's very wwees,
It's very WWE under Vince McMahon,Like, yeah, the pro wrestling
storyline doesn't make sense the way thatAW likes telling these stories. So I

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think that turns some people off,and me, I'm just kind of like,
Okay, I don't think it's agood storyline at all based on the
way it's been built. But Iknow the match is probably gonna be awesome.
The crowd is gonna be hot forit, So that's kind of what
I have to wait for if thebill's not, you know, up to
what I like, do it likefollowing and being like, oh this makes

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sense makes me want to watch it. I just know the match is going
to deliver anyway, So at leastthere's that in the back of my head.
But you know, obviously Classic theCastle with w W has been built
a lot better. I don't knowif it'll be a better show, but
like you said, it's been abetter product on television as of late,
so I'm not entirely sure. Wouldyou know, people will be easy to

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point to AW is gonna have thebetter show this weekend, and I think
now it's a lot closer than itwas, you know, a month or
two ago, Von WWE Triple H'scoming in and there was an interview.
I haven't gotten to be able tocheck it out yet. He did with
Ariel Hawane for BT Sports and itwas really good and some of the clips
I did see, there's a lotof interesting stuff. It just to me,

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I don't know about Yvon, butto me, it's just everything about
WWE seems more intriguing at this point, I think both are pretty intriguing.
I mean for very different reasons though, I mean WWW is all orange,
well orange screen is some offscreen becauseyou're seeing this the stuff that's happening off
screen affect the product on screen,and in fact that Tim Bleach is now

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in control, and do you havea different creative vision from the one that
we've been witnessing for the last thirtyplus years under miss McMahon. So between
the builds for the main event withRoman Reigns and Dream I can tire the
seth Rollins and Matt Riddle build whichwas has been up and down sometimes and
got red hot again Monday with thatSunday which was wild uh and it should

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be hopefully it's the lessons like aW is like, there's a reason why
everybody's talking about that, because noteverybody just curses in every segment like they
do in a W. Like.It's not as special when you do it
all the time, but when youdo it once every now and then,
it's a big deals. This upunplugging my mic by accident. It's going

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now, that is fantastic. VaVaughn very passionate about about this. Yeah,
walking around his rooms, pacing andright, that's what I imagine.
That's exactly what's happening. Not notme sitting at my desk and my foot
just kicking out my microphone cords.No, no, that's not No,
that's too simple, you wouldn't dothat. But as I was saying,

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who I messed myself up? I'mintrigued by it, although I even intrigued
by the drama that's going on inAW with the whole Messa situation with see
Him Punk and others, and youknow, him suddenly getting this title match
out of nowhere, you know,a week after losing the title and they're
throwing it all together the last minute. The Samon Gavar and Nadie Kingston stuff's

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going on and that match was onfor All Out that was not happening in
All Out. It's just a wholelots of stuff going on, but they
got a chance to really salvage itSunday with all Out, Like All Out
could knock it out of the water, and all of a sudden, we
kind of not think about as muchthe drama that's going on backstage. But
yeah, I'm enjoying it all rightnow. WW is entertaining as it's been

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in a long time, and AWwith the real life drama bleeding over on
screen sometimes it's still at least veryintriguing heading into this weekend. Yeah,
Jason, what do you make ofall the behind this scene stuff for AW?
Because I'll admit, for like thelast three to four years, probably
the last five years, I feellike the behind the scenes stuff a WWE

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is much more interesting than the onscreen because the on screen is kind of
bland. But all the drama wewere getting of it, you know,
it's somewhat is interesting and fun,and it seems like AW is going through
a bit of that right now.Usually we just talk about the show themselves.
It's a simple wrestling show, butthere's a lot of drama behind the
scenes. What do you make ofall of that? I wonder how much

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experimentation they're doing as far as what'sk faban what's not. The lines are
definitely blurred, right, we don'tknow who's that. With one exception,
we don't know who's actually manned eachother or who's just you know, messing
around. We've heard that CM Punkwasn't happy. We've recently heard that Malechai
Black and Miro weren't happy. Obviously, Eddie Kingston and Samy Gevar I don't
like each other. So and there'salways the specter of MJF kind of hovering

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over aw right. We don't knowwhen he's ever going to show his head
again. Now, if some ofthese, if all of them end up
being a work, it's overkill,right they if they go through all these
like, oh, this backstage dramais all just a work, then nobody
will believe anything that ever happens backstageever again. Nobody will ever believe a

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dirt sheet about aw ever again,because you'll never know what's real and what's
not. But I do think thatthere's like a level of intrigue there as
far as backstage is concerned. ButI feel like. What makes the major
difference between the two right now isthe aw backstage news is drama, right
Kingson and Gavara wrestlers being unhappy,what have you. The backstage news from

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WWE is returns or creative decisions orthings that are that were once at the
whims of the crazy old man arenot at those whims anymore. Like a
guy getting his first name back isexciting that it shouldn't be, but it
is. That's the saying the wordwrestling is like, oh my gosh.

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WWE tweeted that out with the Twittertrend that was happening, like the one
word things like a simple uh Iguess, like a description what they do
or you know, whatever it is. But like it was going around like
CNN put like breaking news and itwas on and WWE put wrestling and everybody
was like, oh my gosh,they did it again. They said it
on the main account wrestling and yeah, everybody freaked out over Philly by the

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way, we did. Yes,I said that was the first one I
saw that. The inquiry was thefirst one. I was like, Okay,
what's happening here? What a lotof thanking? A lot of folks
put that together with that one wordthat took a lot don't don't don't get
it twisted. That one word.It's like a thank tank. We have
four people brainstorming words and Philly wasthe winner. I could just imagine like

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a group of people like what dowe tweet and somebody just says Philly.
Yeah, like like almost like NickPacombe putting out the Philly Philly tweet of
Doug Peterson with Nick Foles. Ifeel like that was the group of inquiry
gone to Philly. Yeah, let'sdo it, pretty much ideas Jason to
your point, Uh yeah, man, it's it's. It's. It's kind

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of the like it's it's all newagain kind of Yeah, it's it's.
It's it's. There's a layer ofoptimism there in w w A, which
I think is making it more interestingand more exciting. So that's why somebody
might be anticipating Clash over all out. I think we're due for a absolutely

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banger of a weekend of wrestling ingeneral. I think Clash is gonna,
you know, come out and comeup, show up and show out.
Let's say, in Cardiff tomorrow.I think that World's collide is going to
do the same on Sunday the twonxts, and then all that's gonna cap
off the weekend with a lot ofwrestling that I think is the one caveat

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to all out that may bring ita notch. Right, what always say,
it seems like it's saves a w'sjust wrestling is usually pretty good,
right, But I think it willbe good this time too. I just
think this time we're looking at afive to six hour show and maybe some
burnout after the whole weekend five tosix hour show. Excuse me? Yeah,
it's like eleven to twelve matches rightduring during Labor Day weekend. You're
gonna give me a five to sixhour show? Thanks? Going on,

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No way, I'll have to likesplit that up. I have off Sunday
and Monday, so like I mightsplit it up. But whoa, I
mean, there are some really goodmatches in the cards, so I'm excited
for it. It's just I willadmit my attention's gone, and I guess
it's because what Jason was saying.My attention has gone directly to WWE because

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now it has that feeling again ofwhat are they going to do tonight?
Like what what is tonight Triple Hputting together that's going to you know,
have me freaking out and you know, get me to pop all over again.
I'm excited for that, and ithasn't I haven't been that way in
a long time. Probably AW hada bit of that when they first got
started, of like oh my gosh, this person's here, or you know,

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some some really exciting matches that theyput on. It was it felt
new, it felt refreshing, andWWE's kind of like kind of stealing from
their game a little bit, ifyou know what I mean. Like,
this isn't like a styles clash,No pun intended, but this isn't like
a styles clash anymore. It feltlike, you like WWE for the over
the top WWE things it does,and if you just wanted to see some

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good wrestling, you know, AWwas the one, and I feel like
now with WWE they're kind of gettingback to that roots of it's just you
know, wrestling. And yes,they will have some WWE storylines and that
that are very WWE like and VinceMcMahon like, but overall, I think
it's just kind of simplified to hey, winners, you know, when they
win, they get title shots,and you know it's it's about I know

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it is, and it's just likeit simplified so much that all of a
sudden, you know, to maybego in a in a football term,
it isn't like you're getting this,you know. Wwe felt like it was
trying for this flashiness, you know, like a like an air raid offense
in college football, and it wasbeing all over the place. While AW
was sticking to its roots. Itfelt like it was pro style offense,

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you know, sticking to the simpleand doing things right. And I feel
like ww's kind of getting to thata little bit. And so they're kind
of bleeding into each other what theseshows are like. And I'm not saying
it makes people pick one or theother. I'm just saying for me at
least, like I don't know howmuch of a difference we're getting between the
two, if that makes sense.And if anybody wants to tell me I'm
stupid or ron for that, Ithink Tom will tell you what that too.

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I mean, we still got moretime to see what Trip Blace can
cook up as far as creative,so we're kind of seen what AW wants
to do in a lot of ways, they've been around for three years.
The booker is Tony Kahan. Weknow what say? Three years? Wow?
Yeah? I got good. Lord, I was showing DC and you're
telling me that was like three yearsago. Yeah, pre pandemic? What

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are you crazy? Stuff? Right? But like God, we got a
pretty good sample size of what AWwants to do. We got a pretty
good sample size of what Chrip Blacewants to do too with NXT. But
it's gonna be different because this isthe main roster now and it's more television
time to fill in his bigger namegames, and it's bigger venues to fild
than the Barclay Center or something likethat. So we'll see. But I'm,

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like I said earlier, I'm intriguedby it all. I think it's
a good time to be a fanof either one of these promotions on screen
off screen. It's just a lotof interesting stuff happening right now, and
especially for this time of the yearwhere usually it's like, oh, it's
kind of boring in like September,and it doesn't really pick up until like
Survivor series and maybe the Rumble forsure, But for right now, it's

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usually like a you hit or missyou got football season starting school starting back
up. But now it's like okay, well I gotta watch now, like
what's gonna happen here? So that'swhat's exciting me about the product on both
sides right now. Yeah it is. And Nick, do you want to
get to clash at the Castle?Specifically with you because you are the historian?

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Like I feel like if if anybodyneeds knowledge about pro wrestling, I
go to you, and Vaughan andJason do as well, but Nick,
that that is where I go tofor you. What is the significance of
WWE kind of being overseas there outin Europe for a big pay per view
like this? Not much really,just kidding you know, it's been like

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what thirty years? I said itall like this is a big deal,
Nick, tell us all about it. It's all right, It's just another
show. Yeah. I Mean thewhole reason they had SummerSlam ninety two in
England was, you know, theirEuropean tour. We just talked about it
on the street shooters well and laidit out like the whole it was between

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London, England and Washington, dC. And Vince three months before the
SummerSlam made the call that they weregoing to go to London because they're European
tour did so well. Uh andthey didn't have Hull Cogan. So I
mean that of itself was like ahuge deal back then, and I remember
loving every second of that build andthe show itself, the aesthetics to get

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live, well not live. Watchingit two days later when it aired on
pay per view, just I waslike, man, this is larger than
this really is larger than life.It was my maybe third year into wrestling,
and you know, we already hadWrestleMania six, which I watched on
you know a few months after ithappened. But you know, WrestleMania eight

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was in a dome. It's like, these large venues are what drew me
even like more of a wrestling van, regardless of what was happening inside the
ring. I just love the wayit looked. I hope we feel some
of the similar things a Clash ofthe Castle that we did at SummerSlam ninety
two, because that's really the onlything we can compare to at this point.

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You know, any of the UKshows they've done over the years have
not been televised. We haven't beenable to see it, and I don't
even think they've been in the stadiumsince you know, Webley Stadium in ninety
two, so I think, youknow, hopefully it could be an annual
thing, but I don't know ifthey will hitch their wagon into that the
way they do WrestleMania. Now it'stwo nights, and now SummerSlam seems to

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be in stadiums every year going forward, which I love, by the way.
Uh So, yeah, I don'tknow if they'll wait another thirty years
to go back to the UK forfor a show like this, But really
I hope they really dive into that. I don't think they will trumpet's the
way they did in Summer seventh ninetytwo. I was a big mark for
that, the Roddy Piper coming outplaying the bagpipe. So I want to

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see like the opening promo when theypitted you know, friend against friends saying
mister Perfect will be on the UltimateWarriors side and uh no, he'll be
on the side of Machrel ready savage, you idiot, stuff like that,
Like I want to see more ofthat thirty years. Yeah, I think
I don't think it gonna take themthirty year to go back because they probably

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and they're Aaron Is Live to ona Saturday at one o'clock, which is
not a peak time for WW tobe airing a pay per view, But
they're gonna do it. They're doingit now. I feel like they're gonna
do it again, especially if thisshow is a big hit, which I
I'm sure they sold a lot oftickets. We're gonna be watching. They
got this big title match on theshow, so i'd imagine it will be
a success for them. And yeah, they if they're gonna do it one

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time, you know, like yousaid back in ninety two days, they
shot it, but they didn't airhere for like another couple of days.
Where they're gonna air this one livebecause they got their own premium network,
you know, they own not liketheir own network, but it's on Peacock
as a premium live event on Peacock. Peacock. Well, like, yes,
live content, you can do itwhenever you want, especially on the
Saturday when college football is happening.We can use some content too. Uh,

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nobody's gonna be watching Peacock at thatpoint. So yeah, good job
on off fronts from that. Butyeah, I think that this will probably
be a thing that happens at thevery least sooner than thirty years from now.
Yeah, it just feels like aslam dunk, right. The stadium
shows always have some juice to it, and it's unfortunate that really the only
other stadium shows outside of the regularones like Royal Rumble and like WrestleMania,

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has been the Saudi Arabia ones.But you know, you have a chance
to do more of these, andso the fact they can do it the
stadium show, you know overseas inEurope, why not do more of these?
Chase? Like, I think stadiumshows to me, just the look
of them and just the feel ofthem is is so so much greater than
just a regular pay per view anda regular arena somewhere in the United States.

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Now, I just feel like thisis a slam dunk. Oh,
I agree with you one hundred percent. I think if you can fill that
stadium, you should absolutely try to. But then what you worry about is
like where do you go from there? If you all of a sudden filling
out stadium shows once a month,you don't want your fan base to get
sick of the stadium, right,So can that happen? I don't know

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I love stadium shows, but Imean, I feel like the reason WrestleMania
is so big is because it's ina seventy five eighty thousand Steed Stadium.
If every show is in a stadiumlike that, WrestleMania kind of loses its
uniqueness. That level of uniqueness.I should say, it's still the you
know, the big event of theyear for WWE, but it kind of

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comes down slightly just because every otherpay per view or premium live event,
whatever you want to call them,is in a stadium. Now, if
they are doing one overseas, thenyes, they should be in a stadium
every single time they are overseas,just like they were in Saudi Arabia,
like you said, just like theywere in Australia in October of twenty eighteen.
If you recall, yes, overseas, make the effort put it in

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a stadium. But that being said, maybe you only do a couple of
year, maybe one for Europe,one for a different part of the country.
I don't really want them to goback to Saudi Arabia, but they
are. I mean, I guessit's no getting around that. But I'm
okay with unless the live toward takesall of the money from no WWE,
and on that I agree with Jason, but I understand, like you don't

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want too many stadium shows, butI think for like the Rumble and SummerSlam,
they still make sense. And Iguess your business right, You're like,
hey, we could either do fifteenthousand, oh we've a bit forty
thousand. We're gonna do forty thousand, more tickets, more money, brownst
interesting. It kind of takes awayfrom the uniqueness that makes WrestleMania what it
is. But I will say russellMania now is two nights, and I

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would imagine that they're gonna have thebiggest matches of the year on that show.
But I still think Summersland works asa nice summer stadium show like they
did this year in Nashville, andthey can take that around the cop would
be so much fun. Yeah,and Rumble could work too. Still,
So if you do three domestic ayear and in one or two overseas a
year, I'm not against that.I love that Royer Rumble has been like

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a baseball stadium show, though,Like I don't know why, that always
just feels so unique and different comparedto the football stadiums. Obviously, they're
a bit smaller in size football stadiums, I would say on average about seventy
to eighty thousand. When you lookat baseball stadiums, they're about forty to
fifty thousand, So like it's alittle bit smaller of a stadium. But
you know, I just the aestheticof it looks fantastic. So I at

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least like that with the rumble,Yeah, I agree the Big Four or
can be in big time stadiums.I'm perfectly fine with that. I'm talking
about like every single like if theybring back Vengeance, that doesn't need to
be in a stadium. However,I will also say that Royal Rumble being
in a baseball stadium, as coolas it is, is also you know,
kind of bad because I Am notsitting in Citizens Bank Park in January.

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That means, well, yeah,we're not getting it. We're not
going to a rumble outdoor rumble thatyeah, because it's kind of moved the
stadiums. Would Philly ever get arumble? We got one. We got
one in twenty eighteen. That wasa year after they did Houston. I
think they did Houston San Antonio ontwenty seventeen and they brought it here in
twenty eighteen, so as possible,They'll just figure it out somehow. They

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gave us a Mania, but II do so. The one thing I
would I would be interested in isbecause when Russell Mania is on, that
brings everybody, not just from theUnited States, that is the world,
like everybody you know that that bringstogether an entire collective of wrestling fans,
and that even means overseas as well. I'm wondering if that would be if
they could pull off a show similaryou know, have have the big convention

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surrounding it, have obviously the indiewrestling around, you know, just create
this entire weekend of wrestling, andif they could pull it off separate from
WrestleMania, not obviously two days ofa show, but like pull off this
really big kind of event and havepeople, you know, not from that
area and people from the United Statesand from North America kind of flocking over

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to there and going to that.I'd be really interested if that would be
the case, or if that showis just never going to be big enough
and WrestleMania is the only thing thatcan draw that that kind of attention.
Globally. I'd be really interested inthat because I think if they can,
you know, that would that would, at least to me, mean,
you can do a really big showat WrestleMania and that's your and you obviously
if some were slaying Royal Rumble.But I think in that way you can

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create another like huge dynamite show thatwould attract a big audience that you can
have some big hoopla around and makeit another marquee events, you know,
just because it's overseas. You know, it's something different and I think it
could draw a bigger crowd. Butwe do need to get to it because
we have to talk about two showsbecause All Out is happening this weekend as

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well. But let's let's get toClash at the Castle. So we'll go
over the card. We'll do thesesomewhat quickly. But the first one is
Edge and ray Masterio against the JudgmentDay. I have no idea the Judgment
Day just I hate to say lost. It just seems like they keep kind
of tinkering around with it more andmore. But look Edge and ray Masterio,

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it makes sense with what's happened betweenthem and the Judgment Day. Silvan
I will start with you, whatdo you think about this matchup? This
is easy for me. Poor Dominicanstudio is going to get corrupted. He's
already kind of upset they planning deskeat on Monday when he was like,
hey, you know why you teamhim with Edge instead of you know,
your son. This supposed to bea family affair, and they were like
no, no, Edges, likehe ain't man, that's a different story

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right there. But but he waslike, no, he's white, He's
not part of the family. Thisthis is lit familiar. So I think
there's a little bit of a gripethere that Dominic has by having Edged team
with his dad instead of him.And he's pretty much been corrupted by Ria
Ripley because she pretty much has thatman in a trance on Monday as well,

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which I mean, look that's ToeRipley. I wouldn't mind. I
don't blame him necessarily, but yeah, so the judgment day wins and they
corrupt Dominic. Mysterial all right,Nick, I kind of agree with von
and hey, Finn Balor, he'sfrom Ireland. He might get cheered,
you know, he might. Hemight not be a heel on the event

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so like, why not, youknow, you're not and they needed a
win. They need to win,So I think it's a perfect time.
I think I'm hoping Clash at theCastle is unlike the Saudi Arabia events,
unlike the Super Showdown in Australia wherewell, I mean Buddy Barfet won the
title there that was cool. We'reactual story developed and things happen, you

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know, hopefully it's not a throwawayshow. And I would agree with Vaughn
that, uh, you know,Dominic turns and Finn gets the dub.
All right, well, Jason,are we just going three for three here?
We sure are. Maybe I'll hateDominic left after this. I love
that. It's all you have tosay about it. That's fantastic. Can

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I I don't know, like Iwant to Edge do something cool? You
know, I will say, Iwill say, I will say. Now
they're not gonna do it. Butalter Bridge is in Europe right now promoting
their new album. Just saying thatmaybe maybe they're nearby and want to,

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you know, do something cool.Job by keeping up with the alter Bridge
touring signs. I am a hugefan, all right, They're over there
promoting the album in Europe. Theyhave a fall Europe tur comming and then
they're in the United States the beginningof next year, so I know the
schedule, and uh, that's whyI thought in Orlando they were going to
be there, and I think theywere scheduled too because they are based in
Orlando. So yeah, I'm sorry. Now I'm nerding out all right.

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Next, I'm going with the judgmentday. I guess I agree with you
guys. You guys make compelling arguments. But we have next and this is
gonna be a heavy hitting matchup.But I'm actually weirdly excited about a shamous
matchup, and I haven't been thatway in a long time because I do
not like Seamus, but Gunther andShamus Jason, that's a lot of man

(28:33):
meat just going and it's gonna bea It's gonna be a rough one,
i'd say in the ring there,right, They're gonna beat the living crowd,
yeah of each other. Yeah,we're all going to benefit from it.
I am of the mind that seethis one's tough, because again,
Ireland, they could do one ofthose hot shot hot potato things. Give

(28:53):
Shamus that moment where he becomes likehe gets every belt at least once he
went it in front of a quotehometown crowd and then loses it like the
next Friday on SmackDown, Good getsit back or something like that. I
could see them doing that, butalso I think that kind of diminishes Gunther's

(29:15):
s Gunter's stock a little bit.So I think it's more beneficial to him
to just beat Seamous in an absoluteknockdown, drag out brawl. But that's
just that. So I'm picking Gunter, but I can see them going the
other way as well. All Right, Nick, we got gun the Seamus
gonna be. I can't forget.Seamous is turple Ah's boy, so surprise

(29:41):
isn't gun through Seamus's boy too?Though a lot of kids, Man got
a lot of boys. A lotof boys would be if Seamus wins.
But I my prediction, my officialprediction as we go upstairs, is gun
the Okay, all right? II was not expecting some some Shamous love

(30:02):
there from you, Nick Pacoon,But Vaughan, we hate him. Samus
danks man Seamus saw Oh. Iknow, I know he's a hard worker
and he's great, but Seamous likeis the big show to me? Man?
Like, this guy has just comeback and done so many different things,

(30:23):
and it's he's like, yeah,he's like the Big Show and Italia
and just throw Seamus in there.It's just like they just change him up
a little bit all the time andit never really connects and it's just stupid.
I will say, his previous changeupshappened under the Vince McMahon magimee,
which he had a lot of badideas, So we'll see what happens with
him moving forward. I'm also afan of Shamus, though, I think

(30:44):
Seamus is really talented. Just Iknow, the only one that doesn't like
Seamus. Vince gave him a mohawkone time. Uh, and that's that
devolved into a tag team Cinzar,which was great. That's the analysis.
That's really good. Mohawk, that'spretty much what happened. That's what happened.
That was his character. Okay,that's that like, not like he
was just a guy who wasn't justa guy with a mohawk. Now he's

(31:07):
just a peaky blinder. It's justlike, this is Vince McMahon, but
Gunter retains. Yeah, I thinkso too. By the way I'm looking
at Gunter's uh, you know,pro wrestling career. In his ring names,
his one name was Big Daddy Walter. Could we go back to like
Big Daddy Gunther, I feel likethat'd be great, Like that would be
great right now Big Daddy Walter andBig Daddy v is a tag team would

(31:30):
have been? Yeah? Yeah,that is that is that is the fantasy
booking of a lifetime. Bon Johnson, that is that is great. That
is great work by you, allright, Matt Riddle and Seth Rollins,
And as Vaughn said earlier, thisis kind of getting crazy. The Monday
Show on Monday Night Raw was fantasticbetween Matt Riddle and Seth Rollins with the

(31:52):
sit down interview Nick, this matchnow has some steam to it. Obviously
two pretty good wrestlers, but whowe see win here? It's kind of
crazy we see this, this amountof build for match that hasn't happened yet,
you know, like we usually wesee matches and then the feud kind
of ignites from there. So thisis one of those different things that W's

(32:14):
done where we feel like the buildup to the match is so it could
almost be like a WrestleMania high cardlike UPPERCRD WrestleMania match, so looking forward
to it, I think Seth Rollinswins, and that won't be the only
match between these guys. I'm surethey'll have some rematches in the future,
but I think Seth gets the firstone. Jason. I also think Seth

(32:37):
gets a win here, just becausehe's done a lot of losing lately.
He's looked good in defeat Cody Sethalo. But yeah, I feel like I
feel like Riddle could not. Imean, not that Seth would really be
hurt in a loss to Riddle,but I feel like Riddle could bounce back
from this just as much up.So I'm with you on that Seth wins.

(33:00):
Oh wow too, I was notexpecting that. All right, Vaughan,
are we gonna make that one through? No? I disagree. I
think I think Matt Riddle needs towin bad. I think after you get
called out like the way he didon Monday, then you lose the next
week. That's fair, you know, like we all saw it wasn't like
this is off air. We allsaw what Seth said to him, right
so, and and like you said, Seth can take a loss, He's

(33:22):
taking a good amount, you know, at least some big matches lately.
But you know, they could probablyhit a reset button on his whole character
moving forward if they want, andinvigorate him if they want. But well,
Riddle, I think Seth was kindof a made man. Matt Riddle
is still making his way into thatterritory, so I think he needs to
win on the big stage here.So I'm going Matt Riddle. Yeah,

(33:43):
I'm going Matt Riddle too. Ithink this is set up for you know,
and Riddle's you know, Riddle's gotsome some steam behind him with you
know, all the Randy Yorton stuff. You know. I think it'll be
good for him to get a win. And yeah, Seth Rollins, Look,
he's a made man at this point. They can do whatever they want
with him, and it's always goingto be something that's interesting and something that
people want to watch. So Ithink Matt Matt Riddle does end up getting

(34:06):
the win here. So next wegot Bianca bell Are, Alexa Bliss and
Osca against Bailey, Dakota Kai andEO Sky, which is awesome. I
can't wait for this one now.Bailey, Dakota Kai and O Sky.
We saw this team come out duringSummerSlam and since then they have been like
the draw of the show. Youknow, they they have built entire shows

(34:28):
around those three. So I'm releachedit in this match, and it also
leads me to believe Von that Ithink we're gonna see that team end up
winning. Yeah, I agree withyou. I think Bailey eel Sky and
Dakota Kai will win. I haveno idea why they didn't win the tag
titles Monday that match, even thoughyou know what it did. It did

(34:49):
get people talking a lot like thatwas a story. Yeah, it does.
It seems like a big time discourseover WWE Twitter on that one.
Odd. That was the first likereal odd thing that we've seen in the
under the Triple regime so far.Already tweets triple ah. So that's where
I think it is odd. Iagree with you, but I think you
know, we're still we still haveyouat to see like the end of that's

(35:12):
going all with that, which we'llsee should be interesting. It's like a
triple H thing. I don't know. I'll keep the optimism up for now,
but I will go again with thecoda Kai, Eosky and Bailey for
the win. Nick, I'll agreewith them. I think they because they
didn't win the titles. We'll getto win here and then eventually they'll win
the tig titles sooner than later.Jason, I feel like you're going the

(35:36):
same way too. I am.Yes. I would also, However,
I would like a situation where Oscarand EO kind of like brawl to the
point where maybe they go to theback or they take themselves out of the
match, because I just want thatsingles feud on TV, you know what
I mean, feudon for a monthor so, extreme rules Oscar versus EO.
Yes, please here in Philadelphia.That I was about to say,

(36:00):
you know, there's a little extremerules coming up. Yeah, man,
so that that would be something Iwould want. But ultimately, I do
think the Heels win because what's thepoint of the faction If they don't,
what's the point? Yeah, Iagree, Bailey, Dakota, Kai Eosky.
They are going to win, Andyou know, I don't think it's
going to be a squad. Ithink they're going to do it in a

(36:20):
very helish way and it's going tobe fun and I'm going to enjoy it.
Another match I kind of enjoy andI'm glad we're getting Shana Basler in
the way that she always should havebeen presented. Live Morgan against Shana Basler.
Now, look, this is anotherMMA fighter quote unquote that Live Morgan
has to go up against. Youknow, it's it's interesting that storyline that
kind of runs throughout that Live Morganthe champion here. She won obviously after

(36:45):
cashing in money in the bank.So I think that that kind of thread
is an interesting one in this match. But Jason, who do you think
ends up winning it? I thinkthey've put a lot of stock into that
video on YouTube where Live Morgan learnsMMA from Matt Riddle. They kept mentioning
it. They catch So she's gonnapull out some like MMA moves. That's

(37:07):
going to pull out some not anot an MMA move that like submits her
but finds a way to like getone of the right funky pins the Kyrie
saying, Kirifuna clutch pin. Youknow what I'm saying, where where Shana
has it in but then Live rollsbackward and gets her shoulders down and wins
that way, that sort of thing. I do think Live retains here because

(37:27):
Live her uh her title reign unfortunatelyhas not been great, So I feel
like she needs a actual legitimate winand not whatever that Summer Slam match was.
And I think Shana is a toughenough opponent to do that with only
for maybe Ronda to swoop back inat some point. But I would like

(37:49):
to see Live retain just to addan air of legitimacy to her reign.
Yeah, And I think you're rightabout that, and it's not in like
defense of it, but I alwaysjust feel like, especially with non established
wrestlers and Live it lives been aroundfor a bit, but she's not as
established as like a Roman reigns is, or you know, some other characters

(38:09):
that if they win money in thebank, you know, they're already established
and they don't need to kind offigure out who they are in a title
run. We already know what thatwrestler is. You know what the character
is. With Live you know,and a lot of the money in the
bank that's new, the winners thatare new, you know, it always
feels like they have a tougher timebecause their entire persona was built around through

(38:29):
the money in the bank winner andwhen they lose that, now all of
a sudden, you're like, Okay, well, what are they and so
I always feel like they kind ofget lost a little bit, and we're
seeing that with Live. But look, she can have some defining wins coming
up, and we could really getLive Morgan at her best. Nick,
where are we going here? Let'sgo live. I don't see Shanna van

(38:50):
the one two. You really didn'tsound interested in any of that. Oh,
I mean, yeah, I knowit's weird. Like yeah, I
mean it's cool that she's almost revamped, but then she just looks like a
total nerd talking to Roder Rowsey whenRonda is getting thrown out, Like,
I think Ronda is gonna eventually bethe one to regain the title as a
heel. I don't think Shana,you know, I don't think they're gonna

(39:13):
do that. So I'll go live, Uh, you know, winning surprising
fashion, which is a roll upor something like that. Maybe cheats to
win, who knows? Maybe?Uh, Vaughan, what do you think
about this one? I don't careif it doesn't make sense. I want
Shannon Bezilil to win the title.Always been a big fan of Shana Basler.
And if you can maybe give meshanea versus Ronda down the road,

(39:37):
that would be cool too. Isthere a chance of vampire Shana Basler comes
back? Hell no, let's leavethat in the past. We don't need
that's that's that's and you see whatI'm saying, Like, that's what I'm
talking about. See like the nonsensefrom Vince McMahon. You know what I'm
saying. Like, we had ShannonBezis. She was bad ass in the
next TA and it was so roundingback in the form again, but it

(39:57):
took two years. But two yearsafter she Bicky Lynch in the back of
the neck like a vampire. Whatthe hell are we doing here? Legitimately
one of the dumbest things in recentmodern WWE that I've ever seen. Thank
goodness for many reasons. Becan Lynchgot pregnant for multiple reasons. Obviously,
thank goodness they had a baby,but also think good as we didn't have
to see Shane and Beazler biting peoplefor for weeks on end. It was

(40:21):
so bad. All right, let'sget to the main event now, Nick,
if you have the DraftKings pull infront of us, you can do
that. I am not able toat the moment. But Roman rains Drew
McIntyre, any chance we get abit of the home cooking here, and
that's not gonna happen. It's gonnabe Roman Reigns. It's always gonna be
Roman Rains. He's gonna hold thistitle for the next decade. Yeah,

(40:43):
I mean, it's always Rubber Rainsuntil he actually loses. I don't know
how we could sit here and picksomebody else. Unfortunately, I wish Drew
would win because that would be ahell of a pop the way the bullt
All got and something he deserves to. Yeah. Yeah, he he wins
a title in front of nobody,but then winning it again in front of,

(41:04):
you know, a crowd that's goingto be absolutely electric for it.
I would love that. It's notlike he's a bad wrestler, like he's
Drew mckatyre. He's like, hella lot better. Is it fair to
say, out of all the wrestlersto maybe benefit from Triple H Like we
talked about Basler, I feel likeDrew's benefited the most from having Triple H.
Like they're not doing anything anymore.It's not even just that, like

(41:25):
it's billim is just this big,tough guy and he's doing that, you
know. I feel like it's justit's it's been better. It feels more
natural in Triple H's w W thanit did in Vince. Yeah, and
I don't know, Like I guessyou could go into another chapter of Roman's
character and the bloodline without the title. But again, like we're it's been

(41:47):
so long that we're almost kind ofafraid to see what that is because a
lot of us, like you know, the angle of the storyline. I'm
a big fan of it. I'mnot tired of roman reigns. I know
some people are, but I'm not. I don't want to see it end
anytime soon, so I'll go withRoman until he actually loses. I unfortunately

(42:08):
agree Jason. Yeah, it's Roman. It's I hate. I hate to
say it, but I think thatthe pop you're gonna get from that crowd
is going to be a parade ofbooze because Drew loses, not the pop
of cheers that we would all behoping for. Now there maybe what I

(42:29):
said about uh Gunther and Shamus comestrue here, and they give Drew the
titles just to you know, putthem back on Roman on SmackDown, which
is also stupid, but you givehim that pop. I don't know,
but I am picking Roman. Ido think until Cody Rose's pectoral muscle heels

(42:50):
nobody's beating Roman. To be honest, then I'm gonna go out on that
limb that you please, I'm goingwith. It just makes too much sense.
How can you not have Drew Winhere. I understand his Roman and
I'm a biggest fan of Roman Rainsthan anybody, but you gotta have Drew
Win here in front of his homepeople, in front of his folks.

(43:13):
Gotta have it now. With thatsaid, though, he gonna lose that
belt back at extreme rules to RomanRains here in Philly, but and Cardiff,
you gotta do the full circle storytellingof the last time we were here
for this big of an event asa home country made, you know person
from the UK one not d title, but a title in the main event.

(43:34):
You gotta replicate that. You gottareward those fans for waiting for thirty
years, Reward those fans who havebeen you know, who spend their hard
earned money and sit and pack thatstadium over there. Reward them with that
big celebration of Dream McIntyre winning.That's the only way you're getting in the
show. In my opinion, ifit was me, That's how I would
in the show. But I wouldget that belt back on Roman Raigins as
soon as possible after the fact.That'd be so much fun. And I

(43:57):
guess there is a better chance ofthat happening with with Triple H at least
running the show, but I I, I don't know. I would love
it. I think we need anew wrinkle with Roman anywhere. I think
there has to be some sort ofnew rink in him chasing the title for
a month getting it back could besomething different with Roman, at least for
at least a month or so,and then as as as even as he

(44:21):
as he loses, we see startto see cracks in the armor a little
bit because he's pretty much impenetrable rightnow, he's unstoppable. There has to
be a crack in the armor somewhere. I think Drew Drew gets him,
but he gets back, but westill see a very paranoid Roman reigns because
he doesn't want to lose it again. That's how I mean. Does Sammy's
ain't get involved? What do youthink? Oh, that's a good question.

(44:44):
The new one. Yeah, he'sthe he's the one here. If
Kevin Owens is involved in samyse Ainhas to get involved. I don't know
how you get Kevin Owens and sam'seininvolved in this unless it's like the USO's
a running interference. Kevin Owens comesout to help Dre McIntyre, USOS and
the Roman Rams gang up on KevinOwens. Sammy has empathy for his longtime

(45:06):
friend Kevin Owens and he joins thegood guys. That's how That's how you
can do it, I guess.But Drew has to come away with this
belt, at least in Cardiff,Wales. I'm glad you know what.
I applaud you Von Johnson for stickingyour neck out there. I you know,
I I wouldn't do it. Iwould just say Roman reigns, but
I you know what I applauded.All right, So that is just part

(45:29):
one. Part two coming up nextyou're gonna talk him all out. It's
not gonna be five or six hourslike the actual show, but we'll talk
about the show a little bit.That's coming up next to here on the
Wrestling ground Table on Fox Sports TheGambler. But I we're back for the

(46:15):
Wrestling Round Table. Went over Clashat the Castle, and I say it's
slow because I said cash at theclassle earlier, so I need to say
that one very slowly so I don'tmess that up. This one I won't
mess up though. Called All Outshappening this weekend as well, September fourth,
and pretty good show that we have, and it's a lot, so
we're not going to go over everysingle one, but I want to pick

(46:39):
apart a few of the matches here. First one, this one's late to
go all fourth, maybe the startof the show, but certainly one of
the better matches. Brian Danielson andChris Jericho. This one has been nicely
builled. I like the matchup.Jason, what do you think about Danielson
and Chris Jericho. I think thatthis will ultimately end up with Daniel Garcia

(47:02):
switching from the JAS to the BlackpoolCombat Club being a wrestler and not a
sports entertainer, and Danielson getting thewin. Now they have for the last
couple of weeks shown Garcia costing Jericholike a need of the face, that
sort of thing like distrack of Jerichoso he gets hit. So I could

(47:22):
be like a big like turnaround likeGarcia. I was in on it the
whole time sort of thing. Icould see that happening, But ultimately,
I think Daniel Garcia would be betterserved in the combat club. So I'm
going with that. Oh nice,Nick, Are we going with anything fancy
like that for this one? Nope, is gonna win. He's gonna be

(47:43):
Chris Jaredo. God forbid. Heyou know, loses to a wrestler,
so he Basically I could totally seeGarcia being like I was in and all
along. It makes too much sportsentertainment sense. So oh my man,
I don't think they're done telling thatstory yet. So I'll go Jericho Vun.

(48:05):
I'm gonna go Garcia. Oh no, no, Brian Danielson beats them
both, and like I said,Jade Cargill or something like that, that's
not that far off. But soBrian Danielson, I'm going Brian Danielson.
I want to go Danielson too.I still like Brian Danielson, you know

(48:29):
he's sorry, sorry guys, butyeah, I like I like Brian Danielson.
I think he's I think he's gonnawin. I you know what,
I'll say it. I don't likeChris Jeriica. I'll say it. I
can say that I don't like him. I just don't like him, like
I think he hasn't been interesting awhile, so I mean, you're not
wrong, though, he's really outlike a w's really outgrown his they You

(48:52):
know what, that's a very goodpoint. Yeah, that's a really good
player, I think. All right, so let's go to the four way
match for the interim a E now U Women's I'm sorry a w Women's
World Championship match, Tony Storm againstdoctor Britt Baker Jamie Hayter and he caught
he Karru Sheeta. I don't knowwhy I struggle with that. It's such

(49:14):
an easy name to say, butI'm an idiot. Uh, Nick,
let's start with you, Britt Baker, like Charlotte Flair, sh'll win.
But I'm gonna go with Tony Stormhere. I think it makes too much
sense. Yeah, I agree,Vaughan. Yeah, Tony Storm is a

(49:35):
storm brewing here, Jason, itsure is. But I would just like
to point out, all right,that was a bad That was a bad
I would love to be swerved andhave them put it on Jamie hater.
But I do think Tom is gonnawin. Yeah, because Hater has been.
Hater has been A build is abig deal and it's been fun to
to kind of watch that organic.Hey can't you can't do that after my

(49:59):
bad storm? Pun, you can't? You just can't. We keep doing
this. We're on. Every daywe get straight further away from God's Light.
Put them I would have pressed it. Ongoing storm, moving on.
Please the elites. We don't knowwho their finals competition or finals opponent is

(50:20):
going to be. But who doyou think it is? Between the Dark
Order and best Friends and we gotI'll start with Vaughn Dark Order nice now
because yeah, yeah, okay,that's easy. I guess right, Jason?
Is that easy? Now that Hangmanis fighting for Dark Order after Wednesday

(50:44):
Night? Yes? After that?Uh, who who wins there? Honestly,
we have been talking or people aw followers have been saying for a
while that the Dark Order seems tobe spinning their wheels as late, directionless
what have you as of late.It's been a while still as of late,

(51:07):
but and also too they kind ofset up like the first championship feud
on Wednesday Night with and beating thecrap out of Evil and ten so Dark
Order wins, they free bird ruleit so anybody in the Dark Order can
defend it at any given time.Their first feud is against and Rouche and
Dragon Lee. Why not Nick theelite? Yeah, it's probably gonna be

(51:35):
the elite. Wow, what dowe know? What are we doing here?
Honestly, just blunt answers like spendingin a million different It's like they
created the titles just for these threeguys, honestly. I mean, that's
why they have the belt, Sothey gave them something to do. They
gotta be relevant somehow, or justthey gotta have the a couple of evs

(52:00):
be champed. You got it.They gotta be on TV somehow because with
the EVPs, give him some titlesthat that aw does not need. Now,
see, if I'm booking this,you're pulling this whole story about Kenny
Omega being still being, not beingone hundred percent, still not being there,
still not being there and make thefinals not alone first of all,
and who better to expose him thanthe guy that took the title from him.

(52:22):
Yeah, but he's a babyface.That's the heelish move. No.
If he's in the finals of theTrios against ome Yeah, that's Yeah,
who better to over be able tobeat Omega, especially when he's not than
Hangman. I don't know. He'sa coward. He wouldn't come out when
Seampunk called him out. He's acoward. Did you see the clip from

(52:45):
the Elite? Though? That wasexcellent? I did not. I don't
want guy. The guy was justlike the guy opened the guy opens the
door and he's like, hang Man, see him, Punk is calling you
out? You want to do somethingabout it? And they're like doing this
whole training thing for their match,and Hangman's like, no, get out
of here. We're trading right now, leave us a load. Was very
funny, all right, So I'mjust going to the Elite And Nick convinced

(53:07):
me with the most blunt answer ofall times. It's probably true. I
try to go different with the dogorder, but we know full well what's
gonna happen. Yeah, yeah,I know. It feels like we're going
towards that, all right. Sothe weird build up to this two wrestlers,
that's look WWE fame, but youknow, just overall great wrestlers and

(53:30):
always interesting to watch these two,but it's been an odd one to build
up. John Moxley, the aW champion going up against CM Punk Vaughon
what in the heck happens here?I guess that, you know, look
the weird way they built this up. Maybe it does bring the entry like

(53:52):
what is actually happening and what doeshappen? But is it as intriguing to
you or do you kind of seekind of the writing of the wall.
It's very intriguing, and you reallycan't rule anything out. But here's where
I would personally would would like tosee. I guess I don't know if
this is even like a firm prediction. This is just me booking it out

(54:15):
in my head. It'd be seeingPunk winning back the title, which would
be an odd decision. Uh whata couple of weeks after losing it.
So he wins it back and ofcourse he maybe he cheats to win,
maybe he turns full fledged Hill orsomething like that in Chicago. I don't
know if that's even possible in Chicago, So maybe you can rule that out.
But MJF had to come back atsome point, right, Like,

(54:37):
there has to be something here.So if Punk wins and then we do
something with m JF to spin itfor, then aw has a success for
Angle. I don't know how youhave what do you go with? If
Moxley keeps the title, I haveno direction after that. But if if
Punk gets the title and they cansomehow get m JF back, that's your

(54:57):
direction. That's what to damn gooddirection to go in with the title at
the forefront of it and almost doesit? Does it build like the same
team kind of parallel to see himPunk and John Cena at Money in the
Bank of like MJF could leave andyou could be the champion with it,
and like MGF doing it all thoseyears later to see him Punk, is

(55:19):
that is that where we're building too. There could be there could be some
parallels there. I don't know howyou get there, but hey, let's
let's let's get wild. This hasalready been wild, yes, why not
wild? Nick could be getting wildhere, yes, But I'm gonna go
John Moxley just because, uh,I mean, like it makes no sense
for Punk to win. But ifthey do the MJF thing, like they're

(55:42):
kind of like hot shop booking geara little bit, which is very unusual
for a w But yeah, Imean like it's kind of a crazy time.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Punkwins it back. I'm just gonna
say Moxley because like his promos havebeen on point lately, and I'm like,
man, they could really, really, like for real, hitched their
wagon to this guy, like forthe foreseeable future as champion. But I

(56:06):
don't know if they'll do that.But I'm just gonna go Moxley just because
it's probably a stupid choice to goagainst them Punk in Chicago, but I'm
gonna do it. Jason, youknow how you turn CM punk heel in
Chicago. You bring back m JFand align them the title CM Punk m

(56:29):
JF working together. Eventually m jcann that's not gonna turn him he in
Chicago. He's gonna help Chicago,he said wild but oh my god,
right helps Theampunk in Chicago, didn'tm JF his second biggest baby face in
Chicago. Now it just well justin Chicago. But as soon as they
go to the next city, Ifeel like they get booted unless he unless
he also takes the mic and runsdown Chicago and Seampunk doesn't stop him after

(56:52):
that, which wouldn't make sense.After that big promo once on Wednesday where
he was in the crowd talking abouthow he's the blood of Chicago or whatever.
But I feel like those two ifTony Kahan, I mean, obviously
he's he's he's so high on hisown supply for lack of a better term,
that if he would say this aboutanything, he's saying that by the

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end of all out, we're gonnahave like the top roster at all of
wrestling, and everybody's going to beshocked and all this stuff. And the
only way I see that being trueis if you bring MJF back and somehow
he and Punk are aligned. SoI don't know what that constitutes. I
watched one thing where they said thatMJF would come out in a Green Bay

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uniform and still aligned with Cmpunk.I thought that was hysterical. But I
think Punk ultimately does win the titleback in Chicago. It's the after that
part, or the how it happenspart, that I'm not quite sure about.
I say, okay, those whoare a lot of crazy ideas,
and I like all of them,I have no idea where this is gonna

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go. I would say the interestingto in order to continue something and to
at least feel like there's something onthe horizon to look forward to. I
think cmpunk would need to win thetitle back and MJF would have to come
out. Like that would be ifAW wants to get back on track,
which I've look, I'm not sayingit's completely falling apart, you know,
and every time it just sucks rAW because every time they do stumble a

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little bit, it's always like,oh see, look, it's never going
to work. We told you aboutAW. It's like, all right,
well, every company, no matterwhat wrestling show, always stumbles a little
bit. It's fine, it's goingto happen. But I feel like,
in order to get back on trackand to get things like you know,
going again in the positive direction,I feel like ending a show like that
with cmpunk winning, with MJF comingout and we start that bleep storm again,

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I'm all for it. Like thatwould have me going, oh damn,
They're going through with it and nowI'm looking forward to whatever happens after.
So I feel like they need somethinglike that. So I am I'm
going to align myself with Von Johnsonon this one. So I am taking
C. M Punk to win theAW World Championship when it comes to Wrestling

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Talk. I would only take threewith me. They need to start.
Is there a quadruple champions belt?We have trios, but do we have
the quad belts? Yeah? Isthat a thing? Has anyone ever done
that? We'd be the first squadchampions. This is way too many belts
already. We don't need no moretitle belts in the world. All I
love title belts every match. Everymatch would be a title match for still

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three from AW and one from WYeah. See there you go? All
right? So, Jason Finelli,thank you for joining us. You can
follow Jason at big Man Finelli.Also check out his podcast Cheese, Steaks
and Controllers, which the new episodethat is out is a damn good one
to go check it out. Thanksto Nick Pacone for joining us as well,

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not only Shooters Radio, but checkout his Twitter account at underscore Pecone
for all great Philly stuff. Itis always fun to see Nick putting together
the stuff too. And wait whatsoon? Oh? Yeah? Why is
that? Uh? Is that?Do you do you clip those as well?
I done? And obviously the homeof the Philadelphia Union on the Gambler

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and Dave Leno. Yeah, Nick, you did a great job with those.
I was really I was really happyto see that. So that was
good. So follow him at Underscorepecone and also his co host on Shooters
Radio that is Von Johnson. Youcan follow him on Twitter, that's a
really simple one at Von M Johnsonon Twitter as well. So that is

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