WWE Royal Rumble '24 Roundtable - 01/25/24

Jon Jansen, Jason Fanelli, Vaughn Johnson, and Nick Piccone preview the 2024 WWE Royal Rumble!

But first, they talk about the disgusting allegations involving Vince McMahon and others as the news of a lawsuit dropped earlier in the day.

Episode Transcript

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I'm just a stranger with a twistedsmile and wondering eye. The heart is
in danger. Come close now,let me tell you a lie out child.
Have your child maybe going make monof the today. You are a

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sweet dream with a tender It isthat time of the year again. It
is the best week in all ofsports entertainment. It is Rumble week.
We try and answer the one questionyou got, and that is who you
ha got winning the Rumble. Andof course once the Rumble comes around,

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Mania season's year, which is goingto be in our backyard right here,
and of course we'll have all ofthe coverage right here on the Gambler at
Fox, Rechail Gambler on Twitter.But it is the Royal Rumble round Table.
Yes, we got the roundtable togetheragain, Nick Pacone, Von Johnson,
Jason Finelli and myself John Jansen.There is plenty to go over.

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First though, there's kind of thishuge lawsuit just looming over WWE, this
dark, ominous, disgusting, terriblecloud that's kind of been hanging over WWE.
And there are other names named inthis lawsuit and that were not just
Vince McMahon. At with you,vonn because I know you texted me and
read things extensively. You know.For as much as w W seems to

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be doing great, and you knowthe t k O partnership, I guess
is working, they just got todeal with Netflix. This was the first,
like there were other names named ina Vince McMahon lawsuit, like a
brock lesnar And this feels like it'sjust kind of beginning something that could be
very terrible. Yeah, that's whatit seems. I mean, I'm only
halfway through the lawsuit and it's like, man, it's shocking some of the

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stuff you'll read it in that Igot halfway and it was already too hard
to read. Yeah, it's it'sa tough read if you if you're not
you know, it's it's not somethingthat uh many trigger warnings for that lawsuit
if you were to actually go aheadand read it, for a variety of
reasons. But yeah, it's definitelyterrible. Like, you know, it's

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all alleged. Obviously, it's justa lawsuit, you know, as far
as we know. But man,the things that are being alleged are yes,
are not things. It's it's it'seven past your just standard, you
know, kind of lawsuit I mean, there are there's so many things happening
here, so many people involved,things that are graphic detail, graphic detail

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and text messages that are in thislawsuit that are like WHOA. So yeah,
I don't know, man, Idon't know how the business side of
this works. For one, youfeel bad for the victim, the alleged
victim in this case. Uh youknow, you know, according to the
lawsuit, they were in a badfinancial situation and allegedly Vince McMahon took advantage

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of that and off we went withsome just you know, terrible, terrible
things that were alleged to have happened. But when you think about the business
side, is like, how doest KO move on with Vince McMahon in
any way on the payroll? Idon't see how. I don't see how

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that happens after this lawsuit, afterwhat I've read, I don't see.
I think he's not somehow removed insome way, shape or form. I
don't know, But it's just it'dbe mind boggling if it didn't happen.
Yeah, just now to me,now, this even goes past pensic,
man, I mean we've already look, it's well documented I'm sure you guys
have talked about it, you andVaughan von and Nick actually that you two

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have talked about on Shooters Radio.WWE is an extensive history of like not
being so great all the time,and this is the first time where the
lawsuit wasn't just phensic man and sexualharassment and sexual trafficking as well. There
are other names in this. Youknow, this is not this extends past.
I think we always look at Vinceas they, of course the evil
figure, just because he is theone that's always been at the front of

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things like this, in the frontof these lawsuits. But now it is
to me, like, Okay,this just seems like the beginning of something
when other names are allegedly involved inall of this, And that's where Nick,
I'll go to you and just itfeels like, yeah, it feels
like just the start of something reallybig and uncovering a lot of really deep,
dark, terrible stuff from the WWE. What's kind of crazy about this

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is it's not even the first scandalinvolving Vince McMahon and WWE slash WWF.
You know, you go back tothe early nineties, the Ring Boys scandals
that you know we're big news atthe time, but hey, Vince,
you know, he took on thefederal government, right, he took on
that lawsuit, took on that scandal, took on the federal government, and

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what nineteen ninety four, the steroidscandal, and came out on the other
side. So, and I sawearlier on Twitter slash x somebody mentioned really
the ruthless aggression era of WWE wasreally Vince's coming out party where he was
basically telling you what kind of personhe was in real life. You know,

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he bought WCW, he had nocompetition, He did whatever he wanted
to do on screen with women,and that's him basically telling you, this
is what I do in real life. And it's just kind of crazy to
look back and be like, yeah, after reading the details in this lawsuit,
because I think you know right away, I you know saw I think

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it was Brandon Thurston first posted it, so I read up on it.
The Wall Street Journal obviously posted anarticle on it. And then you kind
of you find a link to theactual documentation of a lawsuit and you read
through that and it's just like weknew it was bad like two years ago.
And then stepped down, and youknow, there was allegations even then,

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but we didn't know exactly what theywere, so we were kind of
left in the dark a little bit. But you know, based on history,
we can kind of, you know, surmise that these allegations had truth
to them. I don't know howmuch truth people wanted to believe, but
that you know, they didn't justcome up out of nowhere. So we
actually have like, you know,the evidence now, like tangible, some

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stuff that we can read in detail. You know, that's hard detail to
make up. You have text messagesin there too that I've read through and
now those are also graphic, andyou know that trigger warning in and of
itself as well. I don't rememberhow many text messages that were, but
they are in there, and it'sjust grotesque and you're just like, and

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Vaughan mentioned it at the beginning ofthe lawsuit, you kind of understand she
was in a bad spot the youknow, Janelle Grant, and now that
we can use her name, shewas in a bad spot and they took
advantage of it. And that's justlike it as bad as we thought it
probably was when we first heard thatthere was allegations it's like way worse when

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you have that roof in front ofyou and reading through it, and I
just physically get sick to my stomachwhen I first read that. Yeah,
and it doesn't again, it doesn'treally take long down the list of all
the allegations and down the lawsuit forsome really terrible stuff. So yeah,
it's very graphical. You could tellthat he thought he would get off of

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this as well, like, yeah, you know he's use of power that
he thought, you know I Andreally the threat of when it first started
happening, there is a threat ofif you won't tell anyone, because I
have the greatest lawyers who make thingsgo away, and Vince still I bet
thinks he can make he can justmake this go away. But yeah,
it's it's one thing after another nowwith Vince, and it's really uncovering a

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lot of dark truths about Vince's timein the WWE. So did need to
address that. But there is apaper v this weekend. Luckily Vin's far
away from it and we can enjoywhat has been a really good time in
w W. So I will startthere with you, Jason, because Triple
A just taken over and it's it'sgotten exciting. WWE has gotten very interesting

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week to week on television, butnow an influx of even more talents See
and Punk comes in. Uh,it is it's shaping up to be.
You know, last year it wasokay, things are getting better. This
year it's oh, things are great. Right. There are established great superstars
and they got even more. Thisis one of the more interesting rumbles going
into it. I think, Iagree. I agree one hundred percent.

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This is one of the more unpredictablerumbles where I don't want to say it's
like two thousand and one level,where there's like so many people that could
possibly win this thing, but there'sat least three potentially four potential winners here
at the end. Just to touchon the previous topic real fast, it
really sucks that we have to wehad to address that in the beginning at

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all. We should be talking aboutthe end ring product because they had a
hell of a week with Netflix,Steel and the Rock joining TKO and him
teasing coming back for WrestleMania, andnone of that was in anybody's mind today.
And it's brutal. Yeah, becauseof some Now I understand why you

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didn't ask, because I told you, I wouldn't be able to talk about
it with that curse thing, soI'm just gonna stop right there. But
anyway, so yeah, so asfar as the actual World Rumble is concerned,
I it's always my favorite event ofthe year. It's always like,
I mean, wrestle media might takeit this year because it's here, that's
like, you know, it's alittle bit different. Uh. But as
far as the the rumble matches areconcerned, like I said, the men

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have about four different possibilities, andI have no idea. I don't even
know who's in the World Rumble forthe women's side, with the exception of
like what four I think Wikipedia hasas of this recording that have declared and
all four of them, uh oneif you have to squint, but the
other three at least have a fairshot of winning this thing. So for

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me, I think the more themore. Oh I don't know, see
if you can figure it out.Maya, yes, it does. Mayas
my good luck evil even more evilalter ego, somebody worse than Niajacks somebody

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were Yeah. Yeah, but likeand because of that, I mean,
I'm really looking forward to not onlyyou know, who's gonna win this thing,
but also who they could bring inas like a surprise, whether it's
a return or a or a debutor someone from NXT stuff like that.
I think you're gonna see, ifI had to predict, I think you're

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going to see more NXT entrance inthe women's rumble. I feel like they're
NXT roster is a little bit different. I think Nikita Lyons is a shoe
win for the rumble. I thinkleer Vulkiia being the champion is going to
be a shoe in as well men'sside. I have a theory and I
a no. Of course he'll probablyhe hasn't declared, but he's probably going

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to be in it and be terrible. He'll come in at like six,
go out by thirteen, and willbe done with him for the rest of
the night, and we'll all bebetter for it. So I was strong.
Aostin theory is my new dominic mysterioin on up on Dommock a town

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down. You might say, uhuh, But I was watching a YouTube
a YouTube channel talking about Royal Rumblepossibilities and one they mentioned one that I
had not really considered. Uh.This was a fella who signed a Legends
deal last year that I completely forgotabout and would make sense to appear in

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the Rumble in lieu of a potentialHall of Fame. Uh, induct shit
in April, and that is KenShamrock. I feel like that would be
an interesting Like I want to hearthat theme song? How is that?
Yeah? I will actually bark outif that happened. Yeah, and he's

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still a brick crap house too,He's a he still looks good. He's
like, I don't know how he'sdoing it, but yeah, bring him
in for like the one of thelegend spots in the Rumble and then just
to remind people of who he isand induct them in Philadelphia on Friday the
fifth. Uh makes sense to me. But I'm sure you all have thoughts
on that too. I'm already sold. You're sold on Ken jam Rock.

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That's what You're just sold on thatidea. Now if it doesn't happen,
I don't know about you, guys, I don't I hardly want to see
any legends, you know. Ifeel like the roster is so strong.
That's why I am. I'm pushingback so far in the rock thing,
because like, you don't of coursethe rock Is is gonna at some point
be in because they got to dothe storyline with Roman and he's got to

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be in. But I feel likethe the roster is so strong, I
just want it highlighted on one night. You can get as many people in
this as you can. You getthirty men, thirty women, and highlight
all of the amazing talent. There'sa bunch of NXT talent. There's even
new guys that you could possibly sign, a guy from New Japan. I
think that's really good. I knowNourse, but I'm sure that they can

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make something work out there a littlebit. But I'm just I think there
is the roster is so strong.Now there's there's thirty men and thirty women
you can highlight, but then that'sten NXT, whether it's new signees but
legends. I don't want to seethat. But I don't know if you
Nick feel the same way. Butwhat are you expecting kind of from the

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rumble. Obviously we'll deep dive intoit, but just going into it,
what do you expect? I thinkyou know I said this. I don't
actually don't remember if I said this. On this week's episode of The Straight
Shooters. Maybe last week. Ijust kind of felt meant heading into this
rubble because I was so amped lastyear for the Sammy's Aim blood line storyline

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that we knew we were going toget some not finality to Sammy leaving the
blood line, but we were goingto get something big at the Rubble with
him and Roman, and obviously livedup to the hype, you know,
Sammy turn on Roman, it wasthe greatest Rubble ever. But I don't
feel that even with Ceampunk back andCody back for a whole year, you

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know, it just felt different tome. I'm just kind of I don't
It's really like the Raw Rumble forthe men because you got yeah, seven
seven raw guys and one SmackDown guyright now that are declared so eight total
and one and seven from one show, so you know that, and then
you only have four women and I'mnot saying I want them to announce like
so many, but you know,I'm just kind of like, eh,

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compared comparing it to last year,and last year, I was so hyped
with the Sammy Zain story that,as a lot of people were so going
into this one just kind of likeeh. But obviously most likely it'll be
a good show, You're right,John, With all the talent they have,
it's a great time to showcase talentthat people don't know about. Maybe
they only they'll probably announce some tomorrownight or tonight on SmackDown because this is

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good air Friday, right, Yeah, So you know, it's just stuff
like that where you know, I'mgoing into it. I'm man, but
I'm I think it makes me morelikely to be pleasantly surprised when it comes
to that. And I don't mind, you know, a couple of legends
here and there. It's a lotdifferent than nineteen ninety five where Dick Murdock's
coming in with the talent roster that'snot even considered a talent roster radio at

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the time. It's like I hadnobody back then and we deeped ove into
that a couple of weeks ago.So that was a little fun to go
through. But I think it wouldjust be different this year if they were
to have you know, now,I want to see Ken Shamrock because like,
how did this become the Shamrock Show? Happened? Shamrock has not been

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a thought in my mind for along time. This show became the Ken
Shamrock Show, What did you do, Jason? What did you just?
Maybe because we weep deeped over intoin your house December ninety seven d X
when he main eventage, so it'sstill a little fresh then, so yeah,

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oh absolutely, he's probably still abadass now. Yeah. Also,
as far as the seven people androll one on SmackDown, I imagine SmackDown
would have at least two or threemore entrants announced if they weren't in the
fatal four way. So I expecttwo, if not all three of the
eventual losers spoiler to fill out someof that top SmackDown roster as well.

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And yeah, SmackDown, as werecord smack they're going to announce it.
You would imagine announced a couple ofnames. They announced a couple more names
on Raw this past Monday, soi'd imagine one or two more at least
are announced on SmackDown. Yeah.Obviously recording this beforehand can't put in the
future. So yeah, but youryour kind of expectations feelings heading into this

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because there's there's just a lot andand it's the men and women's side both
that there's like just so many strongcontenders, uh and and wrestlers that they've
built up and storylines that they've builtup. It's just it's it's making for
for so much fun. It remindsyou of of kind of back in the
day, you know, back whenthere were so many stars like a Stone
Cold and a Triple H and ayou know, even a Mick Foley every

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now and then the Undertaker. Itjust feels like there's so many top,
top billing main event stars that couldthat could win this. Yeah, I
agree, It's more than I canthink of in recent memory. Honestly,
I mean a recent memory you thinkof like, yeah, there's only seven
guys announced, but four or fiveof those guys you can make a case
that they could win. Yep.You know. In the same for the

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women's side so far, and there'sonly four or five announced, but I
can make a case for pretty muchall of them to win. Based In
Bailey hasn't won yet, Becky Lynchhas won before, but she's trying to
get the magic as we were.Ripley. Bianca Palaires is always a safe
bet because you know she's top staralready, could be making your debut.
Who is going to be the biggestthing in wrestling? Very very soon,
Jade Cargill, You know, Idon't I don't know how likely that is,

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but they can't, you know,rule it out. So I think
it's very intriguing, especially because yougot the stuff with Cody Rhodes and whether
he's going to finish his story,and I know, the Sports Illustrated story
came out and said that he wasn't. Then the story came out today said
that he was. It's a bigfigure, a little bit of a you
know, one eight there, butby the way they did yeah, he

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was like yeah. It was likeit turns out that this was either a
deliberate misinformation or it was fed tome to cause information by w W show
I don't believe anymore or something.Yeah, oh yeah, I did see
that? Was that p W insiderright, yeah, this is Sports Illustrated.
Yeah, I see something that waslike oh yeah, no, that
was that was not I am dependingit yesterday, Like yeah, this is

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a great idea. I was like, why did you see that? Done
that? But gullible? O bo bro that sounds less. The alarm
bells went off immediately when that reportcame out. Got a great week for
Sports Illustrating, along with other terribleviews involving Sports Illustrated. But yeah,

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I think it's like I said,I'm I'm excited. I think there's a
lot of good possibilities. There's alot of strong contenders where a lot of
years it just as might be onmaybe two and that's it. You know,
legitimate people you can see potentially maineventing WrestleMania, especially because now you
also have two nights at WrestleMania,so this opens up possibilities as to what
could happen. So yeah, thisis to me. I know, Nick

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said Lasty's War Rumble was exciting forhim. It really had nothing to do
with the War Rumble match though.It was really about the main event.
It's about Sammy's a and Roman Reignsand Kevin Owens and the bloodline and that
whole story. But for the twoRoyal Rumble matches, which is really where
the focus has been for w W. Of course, in Roban Rains's match,
which is you know, a bigdeal. Obviously, look at with

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these two matches, Yeah, youlook at you look at the main event
is the War Rumble and that feelsit feels like a big match. Again,
It's pretty cool. I'm excited I'mkind of it intrigued by the fact
that, you know, you hadthis big return in sampunk and it's been
completely KFA pretty much. Just likehe's like, I'm gonna win the Royal

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Rumble. He's not doing any ofthese insider digs you know that we saw
at a w a lot, andI think that's kind of added to the
match as well. So you're right. I I'm excited for the Men's Rumble
and Women's Rumble way more than Iwas last year based on like they're treating
it as the pinnacle, like Ineed to win this. I mean,
it's not it's not like, yeah, it made it. It made it

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so big that they you know,these two guys are stars right now that
can main event WrestleMania right now ifthey wanted to against the Roman Reigns and
the the whole focus, as youjust said, Nick was on that match
was winning the Rumble. You know, It's just I I love that.
I love that there there are nowso many main eventors and the promos that
they're doing with you, and theneven Gunther's you know, becoming a main
eventor to the point where we believea story to where he could be winning

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this and you know, going goingup against I think seth rollins it is
and noticing that promo that Cody andSeampunk had, like he Nick said,
they didn't mention a w They justwent out there and sold tickets to sold
it made money. Excited. Wellthe show that they're doing. Instead,
they're trying to be messy, whichlook, being messy is fun. Don't
get it. I'm gonna twisted.We all like when people get messed a

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little mess, right, we alllike a little mess. Let's not ourselves.
But the job really to sell ticketsto the show that you're on,
make people want to tune into whatyou are doing, not pay attention to
what's happening on the other side.Or who remember that time from back in
the day and the other company whenwe did this back in the day.
I remember how exciting that was.Let's do it again. No, we're
gonna it's about to hear it nowand what we need to accomplish right now?

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It was. That was great.That was That's how, that's how
it's done right there. I didlike the I'm more American dream than you,
Well, I'm more than you.That was phenomenal. It was spelling
out there. Oh yeah, thewhole purp. And I agree with all
of this. I I do feellike this year, particularly on the men's
side, the Rumble feels like themost important match in years. For the

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most important Rumble match in years,I should say, I feel like the
women have a little uh, alittle intrigue, the Becky Lynch thing.
Bailey also has never won it before. But unfortunately for Bailey, I feel
like Jade and then you know,yeah that oh yeah, I don't that's

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a It's a good match for herdebut in because she could do stuff and
then like she's just kill ever andthe just gonna throw everybody over. She's
gonna eliminate like twenty women, andshe's gonna hold records and she's gonna win.
That's what That's what's gonna happen.But yeah, I'm Bud among us.
Yeah yeah, I'm just the bestbooker in the world, all right.
So I will go over those twoRumble matches coming up in the next

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segment, because I want to goover the two Rumble matches because obviously that
leads into WrestleMania, and WrestleMania isreally important to us this year. It's
in our backyard. It's in Philly. We have more investment in it than
ever because it is right here inthis wonderful city. So before we do
go to break, I want togo over the two matches that we do
know outside of the Rumble. Itis Logan Paul and Kevin Owens. Will
start with the United States Championship.We saw they were in the performance center.

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Logan Paul's throwing water bottles. ApparentlyShane Helms had the teacher how to
throw a water bottle for some reason. I think I saw. I have
no idea this match is. Everybody'sgonna love it. It's gonna be great.
I won't care about it, andwe can just I think for me
at least leave it at that.But your your expectations for this match.
I'll start with you bone imagining ShaneHelms trying to teach log like a worker,

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like don't throw it. Shoot,you can't hit the water bottle.
You want to make sure you don'thit them with the water side of the
bottle. You know you gotta throwthe the air part of the bottle.
Exactly, you got it. It'san art to it. Man like Bret
Hart will say, it's an oarform. So, but yes, I

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think this match back of the Dayw W, these wrestlers would go up
be like hit me with the softestpart of the chair. Brother, It's
like, where do you find thatthe chair? Where is that? Look?
You gotta find it somehow. We'regonna find out right now. Yeah,
yeah, Kevin Owens, are you? Yeah? I think it's gonna

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be a fun match Logan Paul foryou know, I know he has a
lot of detractors, but he's damngood wrestling. I'm his number one detractor.
I understand. I'm not saying youshouldn't be, but what he can't
what we do know is that he'sreally good in the ring, and he's
capable of having great matches. I'msure Kevin Owens will get another great match
out of him. Uh So,I don't expect Kevin Owens to win,

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but I think it will be avery exciting match. Nonetheless, Nick,
yeah, I agree. It's It'sone of those things where, man,
I'd like to see Kevin Winn just, you know, get a run with
the US title, but uh,you know, Logan just won it.
So I still think they have somemileage out of that, especially you know,
out in the entertainment world where hecan bring it with him. Uh

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you know, I know he hadJohn Seno on his podcast yesterday impulsive.
But I don't want to, youknow, assume that they're gonna build to
Sina versus Logan Paul at WrestleMania.But I thought that might be a possibility
after I heard that. So theyclown Sena the US champion and then he
retires. I mean I could seethat too. I mean, it's not

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world champion, but like, youknow, like that's interesting to me.
I just think they're going with LoganPaul Sena. That's in my head.
So yeah, I think Logan Paulretains here. But yeah, Kevin is
gonna get the best out of him. Maybe the best Logan pol match we've
seen to date could happen after rollon, Jason, can can you please
just wrap this up? I Iunfortunately for you, John, I agree

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with them, but I will alsosay, just to help you out a
little bit, this match will makea great pee break because if I am
booking this, I'm booking the theRoman Reigns match first. Yeah, I
think that that's how it might go, and then the women's Rumble and then
this match and then the Men's Rumble. Do you break up the two rumbles
with this match in between, givepeople time to rest, and you start

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with Rowan Rains so that way,don't start that. I hate when they
start with rumbles, and sometimes it'sgood, but I don't. I don't
like that they do that a lot. I know, I know you start
with the Rowan Rains match because sothe three guys that may be in the
Men's Rumble in the main event canrest, just like, give me a
good solid buttered up and then getme I don't. I don't say that.

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I do say that the rock doesn'tshow up during the Rains match.
I see what you're putting I an'tpicking up what you're putting down. Speaking
of I still stuck on John sayingget them all buttered up? Wait a
second, what's wrong with that?Ready for the rumble? That's what I'm
here for, right You don't youdon't just start right away from me with

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the bread and butter. First,let me enjoy that a little bit and
then let me enjoy my entree.Not right away? Are you saying the
Men's Rumbles is gonna be your dessert? Because it'll be last. Ben Rubble
could be my dessert. Who knows? Hey, Okay, absolutely, I
love good g s Gig at theend, let's move on a Fatal four,

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right, Roman Rains, Randy Orton, La Knight, AJ Styles,
all four great wrestlers, all four. I love right now. Randy Orton,
I mean he came back. Helooks amazing. La Knight's been on
fire recently. AJ Styles seems likehe's got this fire lit under him again.
And Roman Reigns is bleeping Roman Reigns. It's a no DQ match because

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it's Fatal four, which obviously youimagine Shenanigans. Shenanigans are going to happen
in this match. We all expectRoman to win, but do we expect
it to be good? Jason?Oh yes, I think all these four
guys, and I feel like multimnmatches like this tend to have a good
track record. I grew up onthese matches, all right. When everybody
says I just like single matches,no triple threat or Fatal four way,

(28:56):
my entire life was fatal four wayand triple threat matches. Growing Yeah,
I like these things. The showFat four was John's Wrestlemaine was I think
back to Lesner, Rollins Sena herein Philly were Unble fifteen. That's one,
uh and then the one I thinkit was five people at SummerSlam.

(29:17):
It was Stroman and Rains and Lessnerand and Joe. It was in that
match too. I remember. Theone triple threat for me is Triple H's
Jeff Hardy and Edge. That's agreat one because Jeffy. But I don't
know. That feels like it's sorandom for me to remember. Yeah,
no, because he won the titleagain another one again, but uh so
no, I expect this match tobe awesome. I will be particularly sad

(29:38):
because I also expect l A.Knight to take the pin aj Styles could
but I think it's going to bel A. Knight. I also I
also penned a hundred times in thatweek, and he still would be awesome.
Yeah, I know, but hejust came back. He doesn't want
to take the and then he's probablygot some poll he's not going to take
the fall if doesn't have to.Uh. But my thing here is,

(30:02):
I think you could plant a seedthat I did get this idea from something
else I watched earlier today. Apreparation for this. Someone had a good
point that you could plant a seedfor the breakup of the bloodline. Finally,
it's you're expecting Shenanigans. So away to subvert that expectation of shenanigans
is to bring in Solo and Jimmy, but also to have Roman obviously,

(30:26):
and you know, as you know, signaling as possible, use them as
shields. Like if Randy Orton's comingin from the r al he threaten you
throw, you throw, you throwJimmy in front of him real quick.
Or if if aj Styles is goingfor a forearm Rains pushes Solo in front

(30:47):
of it. You know what I'msaying, and then you start to plant
that seed now. So that wayat forty maybe it implodes in a title
match whatever, But I think ifyou're gonna because people are going to expect
it now, you can kind ofplay with those expectations. Roman can still
survive with the win, sure,but he does it because he's putting his

(31:08):
people like he's basically leading them toslaughter. He's making them sacrificial lambs as
opposed to working with them to keepthe title. If that makes sense,
Uh, Nick, that's interesting.I definitely see my My long term vision

(31:30):
is a J versus L A KnightWrestleMania like that, like that, I
do. I do think I couldsee Night taking the pin because of a
J or something Roman Spear and aJ and then penning l A Knight and
so good. But I didn't thinkthat's a possibility. Then looks good,

(31:56):
Scott got some fire, got somemomentum going on. Man, they might
break, you know, six hundredand fifty thousand viewers, so we'll see,
well they really I don't know.I don't know. It's pretty good
numbers. Maybe I get that numberfrom like, Damn, man, that's
pretty good. Maybe I should havesaid one hundred and fifty thousands. Yeah,

(32:21):
that's kindamn you would write the sixhundred thousand. I was like,
dam they shut up. Really recently, my god, Netflix is like,
hey, what are they doing?What if they've had a massive increase they
though. Netflix is saying what havewe done? But for a completely different
reasons ahead Sorry my god. Ugh. Yeah, Roman obviously keeps the title.

(32:43):
Yes, we're all we're all withthat right range. Yeah, okay,
Roman rings wins. That was noteasy to say, but yeah,
I mean I am interested to seeif they do some type of uh turn
with the bloodline not necessarily breaking upcompletely. Uh but but that's like last
year's wor Rumble, a big,major happening occurred, and that was Sammy's

(33:05):
ain't turning on Roman Rains. Ifeel like the war Rumble was a nice
you know, a nice booking timeto have something like that happen again.
One year ago we did this.Now year later would do this, And
now that sets up this year's WrestleManiawhere I you know, assume that you
know, there's a scene where Solocomes down to tries to help Roman Rains
and he's like, you know what, now I'm good and he backs off,

(33:25):
So something to that effect maybe ormaybe something more dramatic, but uh
but yeah, I expect fully expectRoman Rains to win, and with plenty
of shenanigans from Solo, Socoa andJimmy USO, what will make sense is
Jimmy actually doing something like maybe turningon Solo or roaming again, because him

(33:46):
just coming back and being part ofthe blood Lines just still makes not a
lot of sense since SummerSlam, youknow, like because he's the one that
left and then or like Originally Jayhad a title shot and then Jimmy comes
back, is like, I didn'twant to turn into him, and now
he's just acting like he's part ofthe bloodline again, which is just you
just said you didn't want your brotherto act like the guy. So that's

(34:07):
why I always thought it was along game for Jimmy, but they kind
of got away from that after SummerSlam, So now I'm just kind of
maybe he's just buying a time orwhatever. And that's why I think it's
possible he's the one to do somethingat the Rubble if they were to,
you know, maybe turn on eachother again, or Jimmy turns on Roman
or prevents Solo from them. Yeah, I mean that's got to be the

(34:27):
intrigue, mao. Right, likethe obviously we know Roman's gonna win,
it's just how and what happens.It's all bloodline stuff. But I hope
you're right, Nick, I hopeyou do get something out of this,
because man, if this this doesturn into La Knight and AJ at WrestleMania,
that's awesome. But yeah, Ireally like we we obviously all know
Romans coming out of this with thebelt. It's just that you know what,

(34:50):
what does happen with the bulleline andthe blood bloodline intrigue is kind of
where that match is going to beinteresting. You could also to play at
the scenes for Jimmy versus Jay.It's New dy Q, right absolutely,
But that's that's that's just where youyou start this kind of stuff. Is
this match that could also happen inRumble, But that's true and right now
Jay's not listed for the Rumble,but I definitely think he could be in

(35:14):
there. But all that's why partof me things will definitely be involved in
this match some lay or another.We gotta have we gotta have Jay sneaking
down to the ring like he alwaysdoes to the Rumble almost he almost does
like almost like the homeboy from MinisterSociety, you know what I'm saying,
Like it's the whole thing. Yougotta see it. But to speaking of

(35:36):
the Rumble coming up next, wewill go over those two give our uh
I guess our our predictions for eachRumble match and Howard is going to affect
WrestleMania, which is right here inPhilly. That's all coming up next year
on the game The GAMBLN Philly's homefor all things sports gamblings. I mean

(36:10):
have a famous dad. My fatherwas blue collar. My father was just
a regular guy. He was anelectrician, which makes it kind of ironic.
I'm more of the American dream thanyou are. Okay, okay,
American Dream. Here's what I wantto talk about. Let's talk about the

(36:36):
pipe bomb. You set right upthere. You said a few words,
You rattled off the formula for arevolution. You inspired countless. There are
wrestlers who have gotten in this todaybecause of said interview. Count me one
of those who was inspired. Butthen you left, and when you left,

(36:57):
you really left. You didn't passthe torch off. You dropped it
on the way out, and Idon't think you cared who picked it up,
but I think you know who did. I did everything everything that you
spoke about, I literally did sowhere you talked, I walked. And
what is actually ironic? That makesme more CM punk than you. Welcome

(37:27):
back to the Royal Rumble Roundtable myself, John Jansen with Nick Pcone and Von
Johnson, the Straight Shooters podcast,and also Jason Finelli sometimes cheese teakes and
controllers most of the time Game Spotand he has a teken eight review out
awesome, video awesome. I sawthe I've read the review, so it's
good. But oh well, everyoneeveryone thinks I hate Everyone thinks I hate

(37:50):
it because he gave it an eightout of ten. Great. I know.
I saw somebody of the comments thatsaid, if this isn't a nine,
I'm gonna hate game Spots, likedamn, oh my god, No,
if this isn't a nine, he'sgoing to expose game Spotted for their
for their for their erasure of techand eight Silent Hill and metal Gear,
And I'm like, bro, thosethree games are made by two different companies.
What are you talking about. Ilove reviews, it's fantastic. But

(38:15):
yeah, Jason is a is atech and eight one up, so you
can go check that out. StreetShooters podcast has a an episode. I'm
sure all rumble everything anything. Weinterviewed Dave Ruder, from the author of
k Fabe A Love Story. It'sa great book, a new a new
book that he released recently and wetalked all about it. It's written entirely.

(38:36):
It's eighty seven essay like short storyessays written in complete k fabe and
that's all like that. He's gotgot odds from the ninety two or Rumble
written out, which is pretty funny. Uh yeah, it's tongue in cheek
and it is really well done.So shout outs like whatever he watched,
you know, growing up as akid wrestling, what if it was real?

(38:58):
Like the it's tb see he's payingoff a referee to get plastic surgery
to look alike. I love hisopening. A summary of the book like
go to Amazon wrote ka fable lovestory and his like haul Cogan accused that
tibias of you know, paying psurgery, and I believed him, Like
it's just so great. I believethem all right, So let's get into

(39:23):
we're obviously doing the Rumble round tablebecause royal rumbles this weekend. Let's get
to the both of them. Isee the odds of the men's rumbles,
so we'll start with that first.I'm I'm actually looking at odds. Now.
These are odds that are you know, not places that you should be
putting any odds on or money into, but these are odds just for pure

(39:45):
entertainment purposes, folks. Uh.Gunther is actually plus one fifty, which
he is the co favorite with cmPunk at plus one fifty Cody Rhodes plus
two twenty five, The Rock isnine to one, Drew McIntyre ten to
one. Do you so fourteen toone? Sam, He's in eighteen to
one, Kevin Owens and m jF twenty five to one. Well,

(40:07):
whoa, I'm just saying there's somethere's some other names on it that obviously
long shots, but just interesting ones. Andrade who is rumored to be potentially
going back to Logan, Paul JohnCena, and also New Japan Pro Wrestling's
form Pro Wrestling Kaza. Can wejust say, right now, right off

(40:30):
top, before we get into this, if showed up in this match,
the word the Twitter would all existme. That is for me. If
Okada shows up, that is forme showed up. If they actually I
know they're on the odds and it'sprobably not likely, but if they both
showed up, you might as wellburn x least wrestling Twitter to the ground,

(40:52):
okay, because it will combust intoflames. That is true. The
tribal person can bust in the flames. You thought we had tribal combat as
Somerslam last year. No tribal combatwould happen January? Would that be twenty
seventh twenty twenty four on Between formerlyknown as Twitter. I would go nuts.

(41:15):
Is there anybody you're expecting surprise legend? I guess I'll start with that
with the Men's Rumble. Anyone justwant to throw a name other than Ken
Shamrock out there, Jayson, Yeah, you just Shamrocks. Just Shamrocks at
this entire show, and I'll makeit worse when he comes in. I
hope Chad Gables in the ring withhim. They have to. I mean,
if they know that that comes outand it's like a three ways spotfest,

(41:39):
because to me it is. Iwould love Okada. Okada is the
biggest name that has ever come outof Nu Japan Pro and one of the
biggest names that's come out of NuJapan Pro Wrestling. It's a miracle that
he's even on the free agent marketand could be going to WWE, and
reportedly somewhat could actually happen and goto WWE. So I think that it
is a really cool debut to haveand somebody that would be awesome. Hey

(42:02):
look, it's not the first timesomebody went from Russell Kingdom to then debuting
in the Rumble a j styles,so it can happen, But just anybody
want to throw a name out there. Names, Honestly, I don't think
they're besides the ones we've already discussed. I don't know if there's anyone out
there that's like a big surprise rightnow, the legends, the legends that
they Undertaker, they're getting older,they can't do it anymore. So it's

(42:25):
like, who who is feasible tocome back the Undertaker, like he's gonna
make a cameo Like, I justdon't, I don't, I don't know.
I don't see it. I justdon't know who would be out there
that is like that would be abig enough name to warrant as a surprise.
If it's not an Okada, ifit's not an MJF. It's not

(42:45):
as Spray. Who's left? Weall saw the Hogan promo, right,
Oh? Come on? Yeah,I heard that. I heard that.
No, I honestly think that wasmore of a reference to WrestleMania being forty
years of Hoka Mania. I knowwhat he said, but I think he
was more teasing something here in Phillythan he would because if he were in

(43:10):
the world, Wumble, how doyou eliminate him without him turning into a
dust cloud when he hits the floor. You have to win, like iron
Chic and a gimmick battle. Thereit is you bring Adam Rose back the
Rose buzz and then you throw overthe top of the catch him. Okay,
so you're trying to kill then okay, yeah, actually no, no,

(43:32):
yes, that's a but if ifif I'm talking about actual potential surprises,
I'll go to the NXT route.And if I had to pick a
couple of people on that roster,the Ilia Dragonov, I think it is
an obvious choice. I think,yeah, I think for like a character
based I think you have to doLexus King. Right, you made this

(43:55):
whole big deal about Brian. Iknow his character's not great, but bring
him to the love. He wasreally good. He's a he's awesome.
He would be I mean, shotout of a cannon. He's got so
much and in the rumble he'd beso good in them. I would throw
in at Trick Williams too, becauselike that, which I mean, I
would assume car A Hayes will bein there already. So you got Trick

(44:20):
Williams a surprise, right, sowatches that's fair exactly, and you can
probably do something with them too,and the rumble if you want, make
that carry over back to n xT where I think they're gonna have the
match, their match as standing todeliver in Philly. So yeah, I
think Trick Williams would be one ofthe crowd will pop you get the chant.
I think it would be a bigmoment for Trick Williams. Could Oh,

(44:45):
man, he's hot right now.I mean he's white hot right now.
He's black man, he's white hotright now. So but uh no,
I don't. I wouldn't rule itout, but I would definitely say
that Trick Williams would be a guythat uh for the engines of all those
names look at that. But yeah, Cott has gotta cotta has got to
be there or else. That's allI'm saying. All Right, So now

(45:07):
it's the biggest question that we're goingto ask her and ask this for the
men. We're gonna ask this forthe women's side. For the men first,
obviously, because that's a matcher onJason, who you got. I
have Cody Rhods again, yes,and I have and I have Cody Rhodes

(45:27):
again because you can still because peoplesay because the first question I'll get is,
what about the Rock? The Rockis teasing Roman reigns at WrestleMania.
Might I remind you about a showcalled wrestle Mania thirty where a celebrity came
back won the rumble, people gotpissed and they had to insert a third

(45:51):
guy that everybody wanted to win thechampionship in New Orleans. Here you have
the guy that everybody wants to winthe rumble, win the Rumble, and
you do the triple threat again,just Cody Roman Rock. That would close
Night two, and Cody can beatthe Rock and then or beat the Rock,

(46:15):
can can rock bottom Roman and thentell Cody to pin him or something,
or if Cody give him to Codyfor the Crossroads, and then you
set up that rematch right like theRock does it on purpose because he talks
about how much he likes Cody.They shared that hug in that one backstage
place. It was filmed, sothere might be a documentary angle here too,

(46:37):
And then you can do Rock Romansomewhere else and Cody can finish his
story all right? Uh? Von? Who that was deep? I love
that. Yeah, I'm gonna haveto ponder on that a little bit more
but he is bringing some wild ideasto show usually do and they're never right.

(47:01):
He's Charlie dead the board like me. Connect the dots with me.
I will disagree, though, Iwill go and see him Punk. I
think you make all this hoopla abouthim coming back, and it'd be weird
for me to see him not winthe Rumble right as he comes back and

(47:22):
guarantee him a spot in the mainevent of WrestleMania. That's what Seampunk is
really pretty much here for to mainevent WrestleMania, one of them two nights,
and one way to get that outof the way and guarantee that he
does is having win the Rumble beforethe very first time. He's never won
it before neither and Cody just wonit last year. And I know if

(47:43):
Cody does win, he wouldn't bethe first person to go back to back,
but he'd be the first person ina long time to do it.
They haven't done it since ninety eight, so I think it's seeing Punk's time.
I don't. To me though,the problem is that if whoever wins
the Rumble and my mind should alwayspick Roman, they should never pick Seth.
But I feel like because Seth andSampunk have this history, and Gutha

(48:06):
has already said I'll pick you,you know, So it's not like it's
an outside of the box type ofthing now within w W Cannon that someone
would pick Seth Rollins. Lutha's alreadysaid he would. So yeah, if
I'm I had seem Punk, hechooses Seth Rollins. Is a good way
also to make that world title seemmore important is to have someone choose to

(48:27):
go after that WrestleMania and not chooseRoman. But for me, I'd be
choosing I haven't choosed Roman because he'sclearly the number one champion on the roster,
but I think M Punk and hechooses Seth at WrestleMania, Nick my
pick is CM punk. But I'mtelling you that that's side story planning.

(48:49):
A lot of seeds it out prediction. I feel like they nick they should
they Yeah, I don't. Idon't believe any because to me, if
you bring Rock back this year,then I get the triple threat angle of
it. Totally understand. But thenthis card to me is he is better

(49:13):
if they go that route. Ifyou do, I'm not I'm saying only
if Rock is here, you doRock versus Roman. I could see Gunther
and Seth and then you do Codyand Punk because those Cody and Punk is
like a WrestleMania main event, evenif there's no title evolved. So to

(49:35):
me, that makes sense if theywere gonna do that. But I still
think Punk winning the Rumble, that'swhat he's here for, like Vaughn said,
like making a big deal about itsince day one. I'm here to
win the Royal Rumble. It's likeit's all K fab which is great.
Shout out to Dave Ruder, Likeit's almost like he wrote this essay in
this story for this and it's justfunny to see him totally like in the

(49:59):
K Babe and I want to henever says anything about winning the title.
He just says main event WrestleMania.So does he even beat Seth? If
it's Punk and Seth, who knows? But I will still go with that
Punk wins Jesus Seth, and Ithink they'll do uh. I could see,
you know, an elimination chamber ifthey do Cody again and Cody and

(50:22):
Roman if the Rock's not involved,maybe the Rocks a special ref and then
they do Rock and Roman next yearbecause I still think that doesn't need the
title. So does Cody win thetitle first and then they built the Rock
and Roman still you know, thatcould be a possibility as well, but
punk is my pick. I amactually going to go with I'm a Jason

(50:44):
on this one. I think it'slike reattaching the Rocket back on Cody Rhodes.
I just it's it's still there,Like he's still white hot. He's
a great babyface. He's done agreat job maintaining that main event level throughout
you know, the year since WrestleMania. So I think that's all been great,

(51:06):
but like it just needs that onespark again and we're back, you
know, I know the Rock thing'sthere. Look, I honestly, if
they're really gonna set up the Rockat WrestleMania, you know, I wouldn't
want it to be a singles match, you know, I would want it
to be just more than that.Obviously it's not going to do it's gonna
be a singles match, but youknow, if it is gonna be at
WrestleMania, I would want Cody Roadsinvolved in some way. I don't think

(51:27):
at this point you can leave himout of this story because it's just so
ingrained now in what he is andwhat expectations are with fans. I think
the Rock and Roman stuff happens lateron. Again, my storybook kind of
finished to this. WrestleMania is thebiggest thing that happens that at the end
is the Rock saying that he wantsto take on Roman reigns and be the

(51:49):
head of the table. You knowthat's gonna be the biggest moment in the
entire feud. Have it happen atthe end. But to me, Cody
Rhodes, I think there is achance here to make it even bigger and
better than last year. And he'sbeen so good. We don't see back
to back at all, you know, we've never seen that. We I
don't know how many times we couldsay back to back main events for WrestleMania,
all that stuff, and I thinkit absolutely warrants it here. Go

(52:13):
back for Cody Rhods, Roman Reignsnumber two. Have Cody win this one.
You can do the whatever you're gonnado with the Rock afterwards, do
it at SummerSlam or whatever stadium needto sell out, and then go back.
I wouldn't mind a rubber match afterthat. But like you, I
think you're setting up a rivalry tome between Cody Roads and the Rock.
It really got set up last year. I think you continue to set it

(52:35):
up. I think these two rightnow are your main events, and you're
setting up a really cool storyline withboth of those. So to me,
it's it's got to be. Itdoesn't have to be because you know you're
right with sampunk. Sampunk would beamazing, and it sets up a great
feud with potentially Rollins and that beltor Gunther doing that as well. But
god, I would love to seejust that little extra spark for Cody Rhodes,

(52:57):
for that Rocket to be attached tous back again and we get another
wild setup to a wrestle media Iwill say for Cody to and this has
nothing to do with k fabe.He just got put on the cover of
the w W two K four twoK twenty four video game. I mean
the timing is pretty good for himto win the Rumble given that he's on
the cover, you know, ofthe of one of the additions, as

(53:19):
I say, the other edition hasthat he is out in front of everything
that I'm not doing it right rightright? Cody Roads is like I know,
Roman Rains is the face, butthe guy that's actually like going out
and doing all the interviews, doingall you know everything, Romans isn't doing
that anymore. He's he's not apart time er now, but he's he's
reached the status that he doesn't haveto do that. Roman Reigns will sell

(53:42):
tickets because he's Roman Reigns now,and that's a testament to him, that's
a testament to the way they buildhim up. But somebody like Cody Rhodes,
he's the guy that they're parading outthere, and I just think,
I think it's it's ready for thisstory, for this feud between Cody and
Roman to continue. I I needit, I want it. I think
it's the best thing that WWE cando. I think you're gonna make not
only a star out of Roman evenmore, but you're gonna make Cody Rhods

(54:06):
into an even bigger star. Andit's something that they desperately need next to
Roman Reigns because right now, aswe talked about, there's a ton of
main eventors, a ton of greatguys, nobody's on Romans level, and
I think Cody Rhoads is as closeas you're getting to it right now,
all right, So everybody loved thatidea for me? Thank you, Yes,
yes, John, that was agood idea, John, all right,

(54:29):
yeah you're like sure, John,Yeah, go ahead. Good for
you, Bud, you your littlestupid ideas. Women's match. Now,
the odds for this one Bailey plusone thirty five, Pecky Lynch two to
one, Chade Jade not Jade Jadecar Gill three to one, Jaya Jacks
eight to one, Rodriguez nine toone, Bianca bell Air ten to one.

(54:52):
Sasha Banks Sasha Sasha Banks, eventhough that she's going a w so
live Morgan fourteen to one, Oscarsixteen one, she Besler twenty five to
one. The other notable ones wedid notable ones with the men's the notable
ones for the women's. The Bellatwins are on this. There actually have
been like some smoke around them wantingto come back or at least maybe do

(55:13):
even potentially something like this, sothat could possibly happen. Ronda Rousey is
also on this. Uh, andthat's really it. So I will do
the same thing as I did forthe men's. Uh. Nick actually will
start off anybody names anybody wanna cann XT, you know, entering the

(55:36):
women's women's Ryan sham Ryan Alright,anyone want to throw an name out there?
Yeah right, yeah, no,not to win, but just like
in surprise up legends anything. SoI'm yeah, I could see. Look

(56:00):
at the NXT roster right now,the women's roster, and four names some
really good pop out. Like Isaid, Lera Valquire, because she's the
champion. You always think the women'schampion out there. I think Arianna Grace
is an interesting one because she's gotthe unique uh beauty queen gimmick where she
could just come out and wave ateverybody and even get thrown right out like

(56:21):
Chelsea Green did last year. Somethinglike that, like a little comedy spot
and then use that on next tI think that could be fun. Nikita
Lyons, like I said, Ithink she's a shoe in. I just
think she has you know, sheis like Naya Jacks, but good.
She's like the big the like thestocky woman who can actually move in the
ring and doesn't hurt people besides herself, but you know that that happens,

(56:43):
or just genuinely interesting to watch andnot you know, not entertaining. Yeah,
and then Tiffany Stratton is another one. Timmy Stratton is ready for very
soon. She won't be for long. No, I agree, I would.
I would have her roller SMA downafter Man. He had to be
honest to debut. And as faras legends go, Trician is a good

(57:06):
one. Trician I mean and TricianI mean. Right. Michelle McCool is
always good to come to do theBellot coming back. You see the Bellatwins
actually coming and going into the rumble. I thought another n x t NAM
last legend. Oh yes, thatcould be with a nice uh surprise entrance

(57:28):
from NXT. Uh. She cando some very impressive strength spots in the
match, something like that match withsomebody's strength for strength or something like that.
So yeah, I think another NXTpossible name would be last Legend.
That all right? So and sothose are those things I do think maybe
because I know Nicky Bell has beenit seems like there's been rumors about her

(57:49):
wanting to come back. Obviously theneck injuries and stuff like that, it'd
be cool to see that, SoI think it could possibly. But let's
move on to the uh the mostimportant question, Vaughn, who you got
I think I kind of gave itaway already when I just shout it out,
Yeah, you just shout it out. I was just like shout out
names of who could be in.And I think Bailey's gonna win, all
right, So yeah that's my that'smy pick to win. She hasn't been

(58:12):
there yet to win. Yeah,apparently I was, but I'm picking Bailly
to win. I think it's bea nice little transition to a story against
Damage Control against EO Sky down theroad. But also again, Bailey has
never won, and she's put intowork. Man, Let's not overstate how
good Bailly has been and how consistentshe's been for w W throughout her career,

(58:34):
even going back to NXT. Soas much as it's like she deserves
it, you know, this storycalls for it, it's also like,
hey, you kind of just deserveit because of how great you've been for
the last decade almost during your timeon television and n XT and WW.
So yeah, I think Bailey,she's I think she the last of the
four horse women to not win.I mean, Charlotte's won, Becky's one

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hasn't won, but she's not there. But she could win this year.
But well, I had a thirdone to the list in Bailey. I
think she takes home the twenty twentyfour Women's Royal Rumble. Nick, Yeah,
I'm with my partner, I say, Bailey, I love I would
love to see it. You knowwhat, almost like an evolution type angle,
you know where in a way likeshe was the heel. Right,

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It's like it seemed like people werecheering the Yo Sky a little bit in
Osca and Kyrie saying like Dakota Kai, they were kind of cheering them,
kind of booing Bailey. I couldsee kind of like a turn where Bailey
wins and she you know, theydo kind of like that go to raw,
you know, like don't worry aboutEyo Sky type thing and the rest

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of David's control like cement that they'rethe heels and Bailey's actually the good one
and kind of by wrestling a time, Bailey's the baby face going out up
against the Yo Sky. I thinkthat's a good story to tell. It's
reminiscent of evolution to me in away if they were to go that route,
and I'd like to see it.And this is as good time,

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good a time as any to putthose wheels in motion. So Bailey,
why not, Jason, you go, I'm actually going to be the third
name for Bailey here. I thinkthat Bailey or Becky Lynch are your top
two, and I think that youcould Bilk, you could book Becky Lynch
versus Ray Ripley without needing the Rumble. I think Bailey winning the Rumble adds

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that extra bit of intrigue that wouldescalate it and make the story even better.
They're already planning the seeds of dissension, as he said, as Nick
said, but I feel like herwinning the Rumble would just solidify that.
I love the turn idea. Ilove the whole you know, go to
Rawle. We'll have both titles andthen like have her baby like have her

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group turn on her a very judgmentday in that regard the way they turned
on Edge. So I could definitelysee Bailey r I would like to see
Bailey be last one standing at theend of it. That makes the most
sense to me. You know what, boo that, No, I think
Bailey Bailey is the right one.The only other one I'll throw out because

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you know, Becky lets you thinkeverybody's right with that, you know,
you get Ray Ripley and Becky justsells itself. You don't really need the
Rumble, But you know what away to get Jade car Gills WWE career
started if she would come in justabsolutely dominate this match. And look,
that's that's the tough thing, becausewe don't know how far they're ready to
just like strap the rocket on herand have her be able, because you

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know, once you win the Rumble, you're going out and doing a bunch
of promos. You are, youwere the highlight of the show a lot
of the times. And it's justwhether or not they believe she's ready for
all that. But man, shehas been on wrestling shows before, she's
been in aw she has been workingfor months now and getting ready for,
you know, whatever the debut isgoing to be. Look, if you're

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getting ready for something big, thisis big. The big thing to get
ready for Jade Cargill winning this wouldbe gnormous and she's immediately gonna be the
most interesting woman on the entire rosteras soon as she debuts. So I
just think it's it's the perfect timeto do it, and then you can
have so many standoffs with her,you know, to start whatever match you

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would possibly possibly want. You know, as soon as she's there, the
face off between Bailey's gonna be awesomewith Becky's gonna be awesome with Naya,
Jax, Bianca, bel Air,Oscar, like whatever. It's just it's
so intriguing to put her in thereright away and just have her kind of
just run all over this division soquickly in one match, to just proclaim

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herself already the greatest woman on theentire roster. I think it's a perfect
time to do it. I evenstill think then once you win the Rumble,
you don't really have to do allthat much with her right away because
there's time to build this up andyou can just put her out there for
a match or two. But Idon't know, to me, if you're
gonna do something big with Jade Cargilland you think she's the next big thing,

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this is the big thing to doit. This is the big debut
and the big, big win forher to get. I think you can
still accomplish what you want out ofthis match with Jay Cargo and make sure
the dominant star and win. Yeah, what's called the Diesel spot, Right,
she goes in there and eliminates tentwelve people, like I said,

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maybe breaks the record for eliminations,and then we're rumble and she still loses.
And but has anybody ever won therumble in a debut. I know
there's not been too many debuts.I don't nothing I can recall, maybe
like return to that, like edge, something like that. I'm just saying
that because, like we there's there'san opportunity here to do something new and

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cool. I mean, it's likenot new anymore. We've seen it all
they've done. That is true.Your points are valid. I just feel
like there's no need for WW torush. There's still some development with j
Cargo as far as in the ringthat still needs to happen. So instead
of thrusting to the top of thecard and giving her no room to grow
as far as you know, positioningon a card start her off. So

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he got big plans for her.She's not going anywhere anytime. Singing locked
her into a multi year deal.We got plans for her. You're invested
in her long term, right right? So I mean AW did the same
thing with her. They built herup I think too slowly in some respects
because they needed her. I thinkat the top at one point, but
they gave her a sixty match winstreak. But you know, I think

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WW can do something lot sooner thanAW did. But I still think maybe
you take the whole year just slowlybut surely hammer home the fact that she's
a massive star, and then maybeby next year's WrestleMania you can have her
dominate and win the title. Yes, that's that is probably the right way
of doing it. I just wantto have some fun with it and hope

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that I would laugh. Really,I would laugh at your pick of j
Park Kill, but I laughed atyour pick of Edge and he won.
I know that's number one, soI'm not going to laugh. That is
most infamous thing that's ever happened onthis round table, you guys, to
me, and for good reason.Like John, it is no way and

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he was number one, and ofcourse it happened. So don't laugh at
me, guys, all right,I'm not gonna laugh at you, but
I'm going to ask you the nextquestion. Jade Cardill wins the rumble.
Who's Hermania match? She doesn't reallymake narrative sense with either one. She
can go on with anybody. Who'sthe other one, I bro diickets brother.

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That two of the most beautiful peoplein the world, and that's the
match. I'm not saying that asin she wouldn't have a good match with
either champion. I'm saying for me, right, there's already built in,
built in storylines that could happen,right right, I feel like that.
You know, if they were goodat that route, the storyline would be

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you haven't proven anything, and thenher storyline is, well, I'll prove
it, hey Cargoes. Oh yeah, well I'm already better than you.
So sure she's gonna be awesome.I don't care when you debuts. I
can't wait for it. All right, that is it for the Rumble round
Table. Now, we got todo some housekeeping here before we do go,
because we're already over time. Sorry, Sean Brace Uh Nick pecone,
Where can we find you? Andall of your stuff? Check me out

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at Underscore pacone on Twitter, slashx, and all our podcasts at Shooters
Radio on Twitter, slash x,and also at Fox phl Gambler dot com.
Thank you, uh Vaun Johnson,Where can we find you? I
am at one M Johnson on theplatform formerly known as Twitter, and I'm

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out here on these streets. Sometimesyou can catch me out there. Well.
You can find my writing at WrestlingJunkie dot USA Today dot com.
I that's where I got these oddsfrom. I just remembered that. It
was like, oh, I'm onwrestling. Hey, I'll tell I got
Nick to walk bit. But youdid that, you'd appreciate it. But
you can find my writing there.I had a column earlier this week U
about the ww Netflix deal. Ihave another column this week about my war

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Rumble predictions. I know I justgave it away here in the podcast,
but I'll write them out in detailover at USA Today. I also have
a story. I'm work shopping.I'm trying to figure out who is the
best war Rumble performers of all time? Who is the mister and Miss wrestleman.
I know that the women's Rumbles kindof has a short history, but
we're gonna try our best to crowna Mister war Rumble and a Miss war

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Rumble. Uh, you know,so having some fun with that, So
look out to look out for thatdefinitive exactly, So being a look out
for that in the next couple ofdays. I only have a couple of
days before the show. But I'vebeen very busy. Y'all, so again,
Wrestling Junkie dot USA, Today dotcom and Jason, where can we

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find all your lovely stuff? Firstof all, I would just like to
point out that the definitive miss Worldrumble. I'm very happy that you're going
to be spending a lot of timewith the name Michelle McCool. Whether you
want to or not. You canfind me on social media at big Man
Finelle that's my handle, or basicallyeverything. Find me writing news and reviews
at GameSpot dot com at MMRPG dotcom about video games. Don't really do

(01:08:05):
esports stuff anymore. Che Stasy Controllerswill come back eventually, I promise.
I've just had so much stuff goingon. I'm doing guides for IGN for
Like a Dragon. I've been assignedto substories. There are fifty two.
I'm done twenty, so I've gotsome work to do there. So you
could look up those guys podcast Getthe Work, Get the work, Jason.

(01:08:29):
It's funny my editor asked when I'mgoing to start uploading pages, and
I'm like, I'm just recording somethingreal quick. I'm righted. I'm sorry,
but that's that's what I'm doing whenwe log off. But yeah,
that's where you can find me doingmy thing with games and wrestling and all
like good stuff. Sweet, youknow where to find me, everyone,
John Jansen, right here on thisradio station, Fox PHL Gambler. That

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is it for the Rumbo Roundtable.Enjoy a great weekend of wrestling, and
then right after that we're on theroad to WrestleMania in philadel Ye. Again.
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