New OT Cornelius Lucas Live In-Studio | Cleveland Browns Daily | 3-13-25

On a jam-packed Thursday in Berea, new Browns OT Cornelius Lucas joins the guys live in-studio to discuss his inspirational NFL journey (52:57). You'll also hear from new Browns QB Kenny Pickett (27:52) and new Browns DE Joe Tryon-Shoyinka (44:05). Plus, you'll get all the latest happenings in NFL free agency.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:48):
Al still live on a Thursday ed ishrary Cleveland Browns Daily.
I am merely bow. He is the great z. The
sun is out tomorrow, a little cool, but we're building
towards a hell of an afternoon, Buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Building here, we're building.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
And you know, I've decided, after some serious contemplation that yeah,
I don't want to be golfing tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
I want to be right here with.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
You, oh God, with the brotherhood.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, with the brother the true brotherhood, the brotherhood, the fellowship.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
We're all going to be here. We got we got.
It's it's not even smiling at this, texting things. He's working.
He's working. Yeah, he's got things.

Speaker 6 (01:23):
My day is going, things are changed. I don't know
what time I'm gonna have to pluck you away and
send you somewhere else for a few minutes. I got pressers.
Beg's down by like fifty to a m again, the
zips are if it fourteen threes in the game, Cooper
Flag's done maybe for the year for Yeah. In the
first game of the SEC.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
Turn Not from the clown has called it. He said,
to give a bad news our falcons get torch. She's
using the past tense. He's saying that it's over.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
It's cooked. Yeah. John Gross got a squad, Yes he does.
They I help, I hope. I have no rooting interest
in this. I didn't go to a max school. I
don't know, no one in my family has. I don't
have any rooting interest. But the idea of if that
Akron team doesn't win the MAC tournament, it's a shame
that they wouldn't be in the tournament because they would

(02:11):
be a problem. Yeah, so it's I think that sucks that,
Like the MAC is like locked into one seed and
that's the.

Speaker 6 (02:16):
First was a man. The first eight point or the
first twenty four points in the game were all threes
from them, Like they didn't even they didn't even look
to shoot inside. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, he's got it. He's got it, humming a little
bit so and you. The big news today, obviously in
the sports world, is the Cooper flag thing where I
don't know what's going on here in the last effect
fifteen with an ankle, the number one pick in next
year's NBA draft.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Very good, there you go, very sad.

Speaker 6 (02:45):
All right news, Kenny Picketts.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Here he is, Yeah, here have we seen him?

Speaker 6 (02:52):
He's in the building.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
I've seen Cornelius.

Speaker 6 (02:55):
He'll be on He'll be on set with us at
two thirty.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Who will be Cornelia Cornelius Lucas.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
We're bigger than Dewan Jones, our new tackle. By the way,
I talked to Dewan yesterday. Progressing, feeling good, exciting. I
love Dewand I really do. I find him to be
I I love watching him play. He played through a
lot more than people realized last year and gutted it out.
But I think incredibly talented and just a tremendous kid

(03:23):
like I think he is a great young man.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Big Dwan Jones fan. Dwan Jones about as easy a
guy to roof form.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
He is quickly rising into my into my all like
All Brown's favorite team he's.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Also, uh, you know, the kind of guy. What what
he did is what he has the potential to do
is obviously Jedrills Wills didn't work out. So what Dwan
Jones allows for is in a sense to get up
to jail free card.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
On that he's got to stay. Hellpy got to find
a way to keep him healthy. But I agree with
you completely.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, I mean he looks like someone who is a
first round talent and that has shown up up on
the field over and over again when he has been
out on the field. Russell Wilson is reportedly in the
building for a visit today. He will visit with the
Giants tomorrow. All right, let's play a little game called
remember the game musical chairs?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yes so, buto boop do boop do?

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Then they get on a chair, Get you on a chair.
One of those games that in retrospect was quite physical.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Violent like elbow there.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
I recall more injuries happening from two games that I
played a great deal of as a youth that were
not from like the normal sports realm, that were kind
of like, you know, the games.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
With musical chairs.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Corneylis is big Cornel is a big man.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yeah, he's six eight.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
He's like, yeah, he's we're gonna have he's taller than Dwan.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
I think he's six eight, that's what they say. But
he's a big man.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
There is the fans here, yeah, the whole how about
great kids look great, everyone's ready to go.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Good to see musical chairs.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
And one of the moves that ended up having to
be banned when I was young is then oftentimes it
would get down to like three the three for two yeah,
and you'd have two conspirators and they would just wait
to see which chair the non the person wasn't there,
and then they would pull it, pull it so then
they go to sit, and that is a disaster. You're
talking tailbone into concrete, head, whiplash, concussions, not good. And

(05:27):
then the other one was I'm pretty sure I have
that was it red Rover red Red. And when like
closed lines and you're just like clotheslining peoples nuts, they
had to run through your arms if they just close line,
I mean trying to decapitate people.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
Those were the two.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
You oh, you're just sprinting. And then some people would like,
you know, we work together and boom. But let's just
say they tried.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
To like you had to bust through human and you.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Busted their noses. I've seen blood, crazy sweat, and I
bet Gibe was violent.

Speaker 6 (05:58):
Violent.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Red Rover.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Red Rover was crazy, dude.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
They don't play that stuff, no God or other games
that they don't.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
They take a football from them at recess, so let
alone that they.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Can't play any touch. They can't play touch.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
They do, but then they get like it's like they're
already on two strikes, like Bootsy's grade, they're already on
two strikes. So you start on two strikes with football,
and the third strike.

Speaker 6 (06:20):
The moment, the moment there's any kind of physicality where
someone could end up in tears.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
It's gone gone.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
So all right, you're more into this.

Speaker 7 (06:27):
One'll be there soon.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
But like when I was in when I was younger,
and I'm sure Gibbet was the same. But like our
middle school pickup games, yeah, like recess lunch lunch was
basically basketball.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
That's all we did.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
Yeah, there were it was physical, there were fights.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
There were every single day.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, we were pretty We're a lot softer now in
terms of that, boy, yeah, very so. Yeah, No, it
was that's what you did. Like as soon as the
weather broke. It was shooper like race out there, shooper teams,
winter stays, let's go.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
I bet it would not surprise you to know that
me in middle school had like we put together almost
like once we realized there were enough, like twenty people
who could like kind of play, Yeah, put together like
a league. Yeah, draft, and we had brackets and round robbins, and.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
But how did you secure the court? It just was
enough alphas that you could say, push everybody else out. Yeah,
there was no doubt. That's the thing you got to
be able to do. So like, yeah that it was
always shoot for teams, so you always had to make
sure that what you want to make sure is that
somebody didn't slop their way into a team early. And
then you could kind of run, so you'd like sprint
to be the first five, and then there's a ton
of pressure like you better knock down, knock down your shot,

(07:38):
knocked down your shot.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Free throws, free throws.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
It wasn't threes. Now they do threes, but we were
we were free throws.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
There weren't that many people whould shoot through the deep ball, no,
So it was it was that and then you would play,
but no, that's what it was. So they can bring
they can play basketball. You have to bring your own ball,
which is fine. So they bring their own ball and
they can play basketball, and they can play football, but
it is touch and like I said, they're they're on
two strikes. I cannot imagine. Like, in fact, I'll do
it tonight. I will ask the boys what they what
they think would happen if I implemented red Rover Red

(08:06):
Rover at at Recess, the carnage.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
They wouldn't even understand it.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
No, I want to just I might record it for
and just see, like this is a game we used
to play at Recess actually gym class Pe.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
You could even tell them now there because there are tiktoks,
and I guarantee that they've seen where people they go.
They start with like five roll rounds of duct tape
and then they try to run through it and then
they go.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Ye can't. That's basically Red Rover, except with humans with
humans clotheslining.

Speaker 6 (08:34):
We I for.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
We had at least one broken nose and we had
at least one broken arm from Red Rover.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, yeah, there was a there was another game that
we played that I won't say it anymore where there was.
I definitely remember my buddy Jay Foresman had a broken
arm and collar bone, two separate injuries playing the same game.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
By the way, well, yeah, I don't want to play
a game where it's just like here you get the
ball and then everybody's trying to kill you.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Why crazy?

Speaker 5 (09:09):
There's no upside there, There's never a It's not like
if I hate, if I run over here and I survive,
there's like almost like bull riding, there's not like a
time limit. Oh, if you make it ten seconds, you
win some price.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
There's no win.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Then there's not even an out of bounds or not.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
And tell you inevitably get crush rushed, smeared.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Spared if you will. Yeah, all right, let's play a game.
Let's quarterback musical chairs. Okay, by my count, four teams
need starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Now we're going to
talk to Kenny Picktt a little bit later, and certainly
you'll be here with the idea to compete for that role.
Tennessee seasons, maybe Levis they have a guy who started
at least second round pick. They got him us the

(09:47):
Steelers and the Giants. Three of those four teams pick one,
two three in this NFL draft, Yes, they do. The
other one is the Steelers.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
I think two of those teams will draft a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
So you've got Rogers who was photographed in Malibu. Great,
he lives there, but it's so great, like do you
think that did he set it up?

Speaker 8 (10:13):
Like?

Speaker 4 (10:15):
I don't know's I want to go down on the beach.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
The thing that's the most fascinating to me about that picture, yeah,
are the the ear is the fact that he's using
old school iPhone.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
You're corded, corded, yeah, ear pods.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Probably doesn't want the bluetooth.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
That's what I would say. Must be ayahuasca good.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
Yeah, Bluetooth bad bad bad bad, bad, bad, very bad.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
I think it's bluetooth. Probably it's what it is. So
he's there, I suppose, I don't know. Maybe you could
add Minnesota. I think.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
They got j McCarthy there and they love him so like. Yeah.
By the way, as a quick aside, I would have
bet anything. In my head. I had it the car
he went ahead of Penix and it's not, it's not,
and then NICKX went twelve. I just I had it
in my head that that McCarthy went like seven ahead

(11:13):
of Penix, but he didn't. Pen came off first. Okay,
so those are those are the teams. You got Rogers
out there, Russ reportedly is here today.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
I think this is how it goes.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
I think Rogers goes to the Steelers if he goes anywhere.
I think if Rogers the Giants, I do not. If
Rogers doesn't go to the Steelers, I think Russell still
end up with the Steelers, he goes back. I think
if Rogers goes to the Steelers, I think Russ ends
up with the Giants. Okay, I don't know what the

(11:42):
Titans are doing, and right now not that I don't
know what we're doing. If to add you need to
add somebody else to that room, I don't know what
direction that's going to take. I do believe, and we've
said it all along. I don't think that there is
any buddy out there, whether it is for us, whether

(12:04):
it is for the Titans, whether it is for the Giants.
I don't think there is somebody that could be signed
and I'll even throw Kirk Cousins in this and or
traded for that would preclude that team from drafting a
quarterback at one, two, or three, I don't think. And
I also think that Kirk Cousins does not want to

(12:25):
go somewhere where they're going to draft a quarterback early.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Which he just did.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
That makes it difficult to see where he would potentially
end up outside of Pittsburgh or Tennessee, because I still
think there is some belief that Tennessee is not taking
a quarterback at one, which goes back to something that
we've been talking about.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
And I know Russell Wilson is here, and you know
I read that too. I read that two ways. First
way is that to.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
Me doesn't change anything about what the Browns would do
with their first pick yeap number two. That is again
showing that there is nobody wants to be bottom. They
would much rather be a middle class going nowhere, but
going somewhere team Yep. I believe, and I've said it

(13:19):
all along. I am okay with cam Ward or Shador at.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
One or two.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
There is a clear at this point growing consensus, and
Adam Schefter said it today that cam Ward will be
the first pick in this draft.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
YEP.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
If the Cleveland Browns, and I've said this since the combine,
if the Cleveland Browns believe that cam Ward is that guy,
then you need to get to one dude.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
We were talking about that the combine. That's what I said.
We laid this out like we know these two quarterbacks
better than anybody. With the connections we had to these
two universities and the coaches at those universities. We should
know exactly what these two guys are, what they have,
what they can do, what they cannot.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
I mean, I like them, you're either a good spot
or if you if you you.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
Being the Cleveland Browns believe that it's it's cam Ward
and then a gap get him, get him.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
And you have to understand that even with the.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Even with you know, the Watson contract and now Miles
has the big extension, we have some big numbers by
twenty to let's see draft quarterback here. By twenty twenty seven,
you're actually gonna have a lot of money to spend
and you'll have a quarterback a couple of years into
a rookie deal that you could build around. Yeah, and
that's where you have a chance to really go. Now
you can get your quarterback and play great, and it

(14:38):
can turn it around tomorrow. Even with some of the
limited available resources for this team. And so that's why
I still think it is so important you can to
not kick this thing down the road and to find
a way to come out of here with the top
quarterback on your board. And if you believe you can
do that at too great, If you think that you
have to go to one, then that's where you got
to go. But I don't see situation. Russ pro bowler

(15:04):
last year and it started really really well, ended not
so well. I think he lost five straight and then
the playoff game. It's not a long term solution. Cousins
is not a long term solution. Joe Flacco is not.
And by the way, I'd be totally fine with Joe
Flacco as well.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Now they're calling for me right now, it's going to
happen right now. Apparently I'm leaving.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
That's fine, all right, you'll be bad. I've done no.
I think you're fine. You think I'm okay, considering who
is summoning you. I think you're okay. One minute.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
Uh, you're good right now, you're good for another minute
or two. I am waiting for further instructions.

Speaker 7 (15:43):
All right.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
That was Connor with a K with a hasty it
was pretty he's running. Now, he's running, look at the
flowing locks.

Speaker 6 (15:50):
I know he didn't check his phone. I sent him
a text back. I've already talked to the boss boss,
and the boss boss is like, I will notify you.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
We'll notif on the ground in this case quite literally.
Former Eagle, former Eagle. Yeah, well played by the.

Speaker 6 (16:06):
Way, all right.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
So this is kind of the blocks of kind of
the pecking order, how this stuff needs to go. Rogers.
The Steelers are waiting on Rogers. If Rogers decides he
wants to play football in Pittsburgh, that will be their choice.
Aaron Rodgers will be the starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh
Steelers next year. I think that's where we're at right
now around the league. If that doesn't happen, if Rogers

(16:29):
decides he doesn't want to play football, or decides he
wants to play football for the Giants, then the Steelers
will pivot or attempt to pivot back to Russell Wilson.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
YEP.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
So there's that part of it. The Tennessee Titans are
sitting here kind of in limbo, trying to figure out
what to do. But they do have Levis, who is
a talented guy who's got minimal starts, who year two
in a system, you could talk yourself into that. From
their perspective, in the fact that he's still there, the
Falcons with Cousins are hoping that our little game to
bring it full circle, our little game of musical chairs,

(17:00):
all of a sudden, there's somebody still standing up, going, God,
I need a quarterback, man, I'll trade you for Kirk Cousins.
That's what the Falcons are doing. They don't want to
release Cousins, so they're trying to find a way where
they can trade for them. I think that's a simple
So that to me is where this is right now.
And then to the point that you just made, none
of that precludes these teams from drafting a quarterback high
in this draft, and the likelihood that two out of

(17:21):
the first three picks will be quarterbacks or they could
go one too.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Yes, agreed.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
I don't think any of it changes anything. I think
that's exactly right. I think that the teams that are
still looking for a quarterback need to get one, and
they have an opportunity to do so at the top
of the draft. And there are a lot of people
that I mean are fired up. I mean, you got
to go.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Destroying right now. You've been summoned by luminaries. They're they're
coming for you. I'm going to go over some of
the business of the day, the legal as it were,
the official I'm going to do that right now while
doctor z evacuates here. I miss you before you left,
before the door opened. All right, all the Browns news

(18:03):
of this week is now officially official. So quarterback Kenny
Pickett from the Eagles in exchange for Dorian Thompson Robinson
in two thousand and twenty five to fifth round pick.
Kenny Pickett is in the building because he's gonna go
talk to him right now. So I have that to
look forward to, which is nice. We agreed to terms
with former Washington Commander's offensive tackle Cornelius Lucas on a
two year contract. He's in the building. I can confirm

(18:23):
that because I just saw him five minutes ago. So
you have that to look forward to, which is nice.
He'll join us at two thirty. Z is now running away.
We've agreed to terms with former Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive
end Joe try On Chioika. Now, one thing about he
was Joe Tryon out of college and then added the
hyphen on a one year contract.

Speaker 6 (18:42):
Yes, we're going with shoyinka, right, Choyanka choyanka. Okay, sure,
OKAYM downstairs earlier I can confirm, Okay.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
We re signed line blacker Devin Bush to a one
year contract. We terminated the contract of Juan Thornhill post
June one designation on that, and we terminate the contract
of Dalvin Tomlinson. We also have our draft picks officially
set currently constructed. Number two overall, number thirty three overall
into the third round, number sixty seven overall, number ninety

(19:15):
four overall into the fourth round. You're talking about one
oh four overall, one seventy nine in the sixth, one
eighty two in the sixth two hundred, and the sixth
to sixteen in the sixth, two fifty four in the seventh.
So those are your draft picks as we stand right now,
still not officially official, but just reports. So far, so far.
Forty nine Ers defensive tackle Malik Collins reach an agreement

(19:36):
with the Browns on a two year contract worth twenty
with thirteen fully guaranteed. That is per schefter. We mentioned
the release of Dalvin Tomlinson. It didn't take long for
him to find a new home. He finds that in
Arizona two years, twenty nine million.

Speaker 6 (19:49):
Hie little payday?

Speaker 3 (19:50):
He did? He did? Is there anything in the last
fifteen minutes on the Pittsburgh situation other than that they
signed Mason.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
Rudolph uh Kyle Yustcha x visiting.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Okay, but nothing on Rogers or any of that.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
Nothing from a quarterback standpoint, I they continue to wait,
I and now I'm gonna start throwing this in. Is
anybody botched this?

Speaker 9 (20:14):
More?

Speaker 6 (20:15):
Steelers are Bengals at this point because you go and
acquire a DK metcalf and and now what like, you
don't have anybody throwing the football.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
This is where I am with it. The Steelers didn't
botch this. If they land Rogers. If they land Rogers, fine,
I think. And Russ is here. I think that would
be an interesting thing to do, and an interesting like, Hey,
let's see other people, but I still like you, so

(20:48):
let's get married. That would be kind of a crazy
circumstance if that shook out that way, If Russ ended
up back there, so I think that did a lot
of splaining to do. If that's the way that it
worked out, and again Russ is here today.

Speaker 6 (20:59):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
If they land Rogers, that's the game of chicken they're playing.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (21:05):
And they needed to assign Mason Rudolph today because they
don't have anybody really in that room. So Rudolph comes back.
It gives them a little bit of protection, not much,
because it certainly changes what they are as a franchise
with Rogers. I could see them over there talking themselves
into we can contend to the North with Rogers and
this defense and all of it. Second year. I mean,

(21:25):
you could do it. It's believable. So I think they're
upside versus falling off a cliff is pretty dramatic. I
think it's a big, big gamble they're playing. But there
aren't a lot of options for them either, because again
they don't have the quarterback. The other one in Cincinnati
is it's pretty wild. It seems to me like what

(21:47):
they're trying to do with Trey Hendrickson, with t Higgins,
who they already already franchise tagged, and with Jamar Chase.
I mean, they made Hendrickson available, but all the reporting
is they're basically asking for like six first round picks
Trey Hendrickson, and it's it's not realistic for Trey Hendrickson.
So oh, it's kind of like, all right, you could

(22:09):
seek a trade. We're not gonna pay you. You can
seek a trade, but what we're asking for in the
trade is so extreme that it's almost impossible to see
a scenario how anybody would make the deal. So what
they're gonna try, I guess what they're banking on. What
seems to me, like what Cincinnati's banking on is Joe
Burrow will lift all boats. And when we get to

(22:29):
training camp next year, if we don't have new deals
for all these people, they'll show up and play because
Joe's here. That's a hell of a gamble. But that's
what it seems to me like they're doing. And then
you're gonna have an unhappy quarterback. You're gonna have two
unhappy wide receivers. I cannot believe that we have not
heard more from the wide receiver about the negotiations. Are

(22:51):
they just not even happening with that organization? I mean,
you're not hearing anything out of Cincinnati about this. Nothing.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
I would love to know, Like, are we still as
confident that everybody's going to be on the same page
on day one a training camp.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
No, I'm not, and I didn't think it was ever
possible for them to keep all of them. Yeah, but
it also appears that they're asked for Trey Hendrickson is
so extreme that there's almost impossible to get a deal done.
It's kind of where they're at.

Speaker 7 (23:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
So yeah, it's it's the Rogers Domino has to fall
first and then from there and who knows what happens
with this meeting with between us and Russell Wilson and
what that could be. Who knows, right, don't know, but
there's a fact finding that's going on there. We want
to add to the quarterback room. Russ could be that guy. Uh,
there's also the Giants. I said you got you really

(23:41):
got four teams Tennessee with Levis is the least needy,
agree as you could talk yourself into. Let's see what
he does with a good offensive line year two in
the system. We don't have a ton of weapons, our
defense isn't that great. Let's let's see what he can be.
That part could see. But but other than that, it's us,

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the Steelers and the Giants, and it's quarterback musical chairs,
and one of those dominoes has to fall, and it's
got to start, it feels like with Rogers, because then
there will be a reaction off of all of that.
So that's where you stand. Those are your hot topics
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Your boy's back flags back? They taped him up, hes

(24:25):
headed back to the bench.

Speaker 6 (24:27):
He's on the bench. The last time I saw him,
he was in a wheelchair.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
But he's on the bench now, taped right now.

Speaker 6 (24:32):
He's taped. But I Duke, So we've made a little
bit of a rude Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
I can't get access to it in here.

Speaker 6 (24:41):
That's sad, keV. It's very sad. It's very distracting.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
As long as he's healthy. They're a one seed.

Speaker 6 (24:47):
Yeah, I mean you and I, You and I talked
about it goes back to the Cincinnati the Bearcat, Kenyan Martin.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, hey, you know it was Do you remember five
years ago today? That's the year the sports world stopped?
Was this day five years ago, the Wednesday before Fred Hoiberg,
remember collapsed in Indy yep. At the at the Big
Ten Tournament, and everyone's like, oh my god, can you
just die from COVID, like instantly, like everybody thought he

(25:16):
had it. Turns out had nothing to do with it.
He had other things. But it was coming off for
Rudy Gobert and all of that. And then I remember
I was doing the morning show with Laurnaiitis and we
were like, the Big Ten Tournament was at noon. It
was like is it on? Is it on?

Speaker 6 (25:30):
Is it on?

Speaker 3 (25:30):
And then it was like no, no, it's off. It's canceled.
The Ohio State girls basketball tournament was already get started
down in Columbus. They had the girls like on the court,
and then Mike DeWine shut it down, called everybody off,
We're done, shut it down. We did this show.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
Here through the rest of the week. I feel like.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
It was the Friday. It was the next day that
it was like I'll see and I don't know when.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
Yeah, I packed up, I packed up all the gear
we had. We had four cases of gear, all the gear,
all this, yeah they're going to need because I don't
we don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
When we stood right there, the building was empty. By Friday,
it was empty. We were the light was U, Me
and Z. We're the last three in here, and we
stood right there and it was like, I don't know
it went I'll see you. We had no idea, And
I remember I went to Heinen's to get groceries that
weekend and it was like you, I was dressed like
Doc Brown, stealing plutonium, like head to doe covered goggles,

(26:25):
the whole bit. That was five years ago. In a way,
it seems like a blink in. In a way, it
seems like another lifetime. Yeah, it's hard to believe it,
but that was. That was five years ago. Today is
when it really was stopped. And I remember the IVY
leagues canceled the week before they canceled their tournaments. Like,
if the ivys are shutting it down, they're pretty well connected.

(26:47):
They must know what's coming.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
Well, it was all on the East coast.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, and that's where, Yeah, it just went yep and
shut down those five years ago.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
That's crazy, Yeah, pretty wild, all right.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Kenny Pickett will be live via zoom a little bit
later in the program Jefs Break Show. Yanka could be
there as well, so we will. We will have all
that for you loaded up here on the program on
a Thursday edition with a lot swirling around the National
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Speaker 2 (27:26):
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Speaker 3 (27:40):
All right, welcome back into Cleveland Browns Daily.

Speaker 10 (27:42):
Let's Kenny, Welcome to Cleveland. We'll get you starved in
here with Mary kay Ry Kay, okay, sorry about that, Kenny.

Speaker 11 (27:53):
And yeah, just wondering how do you feel about coming
over to the other side of this Pittsburgh Cleveland, right, Valry?
And what kind of an opportunity does this present for you?

Speaker 12 (28:05):
Yeah, it's gonna be great.

Speaker 13 (28:07):
The AFC North obviously is very competitive, and you know,
playing in it for my first two years in the league,
I understood that quickly. The games aren't always pretty, but
it's a violent, you know, style of football, you know,
and I'm excited to get back into it. I just
think it's a great opportunity to go compete again. That's
really all you can ask for. And that's what I
was told here, you know, coming in here. I'm having

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an opportunity to compete again. So I'm very excited for that.

Speaker 14 (28:32):
Thank you, Kenny.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
How you doing good?

Speaker 10 (28:40):
Are you go to cress?

Speaker 7 (28:42):
Sorry?

Speaker 14 (28:43):
I'm doing Did you have any idea that this was
in the work that had how we or anybody in
the Eagles told you that, you know, they were that
this potentially could happen.

Speaker 13 (28:55):
Yeah, after the season, Uh, you know and exit meetings.
You know, I felt got you know, having those conversations,
you know, knew that there was a possibility that was
gonna get traded. Uh, we felt like, you know, the
two games that I got in there, you know I
had I had some pretty good tape through those two games.

Speaker 12 (29:11):
Uh, you know, I did not know that it could
have been Cleveland.

Speaker 13 (29:15):
You know that was that was a little bit of
a surprise based on the teams that they were telling
me early on in the process.

Speaker 12 (29:20):
But you know, I'm extremely happy to be here.

Speaker 13 (29:23):
I don't know how much talents on this team, having
a chance to talk, you know, with the entire coaching staff,
I'm very excited to get to work here.

Speaker 14 (29:31):
Just we'll quick follow up, just coming from the Steelers
and the Eagles, just what were you able to learn
from being in those organizations. You know, they're consistently known
as you know, amongst the.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
Best in the league.

Speaker 14 (29:41):
What were you able to learn you know from those
two places?

Speaker 13 (29:45):
Yeah, I think, uh, you know, number one, that culture
goes a really long way. And the team's identity in
terms of how hard they play, you know, preparation throughout
the week to get ready to go on Sunday. You
know that that really holds true you know in the
NFL level when all levels of football. So I think
that really stuck out, you know, early out of my
career being at you know, those two places and seeing

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how guys go out, go about their business and play
on Sundays.

Speaker 10 (30:09):
They thinks, okay, next we'll go to Jeff.

Speaker 15 (30:15):
Hey, Kenny, welcome to Cleveland. On two questions, do you
expect them to Russell Wilson is in there today? You
expect another veteran to be in here with you? And
do you view yourself as a starter?

Speaker 6 (30:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (30:32):
I do.

Speaker 12 (30:32):
I do view myself as a starter.

Speaker 13 (30:34):
You know, I'm sure they're going to bring in another
veteran and who knows what else, but you know, I'm
just excited to be here and compete with whoever.

Speaker 12 (30:42):
You know, all the quarterback rooms I've been in, each
room has been really tight.

Speaker 13 (30:45):
We all pull for each other, and you know that's
really what it's all about, you know, getting better together
and making the team better. So you know, definitely prepared
for whatever situation that you know may present itself.

Speaker 15 (30:55):
And then what did you learn about yourself as a
starter in those two year years in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 13 (31:01):
Yeah, being able to handle adversity and finding ways to win.
You know at the end of the day that that's
what this league is about, winning, you know, you know,
figuring out how to how to get the job done
at the end of the day, whatever you know, the
team may ask or whatever that day you know may
hope for, you just find a way to walk out
of there, you know, as a winner. So I think,
you know, continuing to grow, you know, as a quarterback
as a player, you know, something I'm to try and

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continue to do here in Cleveland.

Speaker 6 (31:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (31:29):
Okay, next we'll go to Tony.

Speaker 16 (31:32):
Hi, Kenny, I have a question and just a quick
follow up. The question is why did you ask to
be traded from Pittsburgh?

Speaker 17 (31:42):
Uh?

Speaker 12 (31:43):
Yeah, I mean, I'm you're not going to go too
much into that.

Speaker 13 (31:46):
You know, I feel like that that's in the past.
Now I'm excited to be here. You know, had a
chance of play in Philly after after leaving Pittsburgh. Uh,
but you know, I'm excited to be a Brown now.

Speaker 7 (31:56):
Okay.

Speaker 16 (31:56):
And the follow up is, how do you feel about
Russell Wilson and being in the building today.

Speaker 13 (32:02):
Yeah, it's fine with me. You know, as long as
I have a chance to compete, that's that's all you
can ask for. So having that opportunity is is awesome
as a player. So I'm looking forward to, uh, you know,
working with whoever you know comes in the building.

Speaker 10 (32:14):
All right, thank you, Okay, next we'll go to Scott.

Speaker 7 (32:21):
Hey, Kenny.

Speaker 9 (32:23):
The chance to compete feels a little, i don't know, ambiguous,
Like did you get any more clarity on did that
mean for a starting job? Did they tell you who
you might be competing with? Anything like that.

Speaker 12 (32:33):
Yeah, a chance to compete to be the starter?

Speaker 9 (32:36):
And then is it uneasy at all not knowing if
a guy like Russell will be drafted or come in signed,
or if they could take a you know, a quarterback
at number two?

Speaker 13 (32:45):
No, not really, I mean all you want is an opportunity.
You know, it doesn't matter who who, who else is
in the room. You know, all you can ask for
is an opportunity. Then you've got to go handle the rest.

Speaker 10 (32:55):
Cool, Thank you, Okay, Next we'll go to Dan.

Speaker 18 (33:02):
Hey, Kenny, I've got two for you. First one going
back to your days in Pittsburgh when you were facing
the Browns twice a year. Obviously, Miles Garrett just signed
an extension here. What was it like going against him?
How happy are you that you aren't going to have
to do that as a member of the Browns.

Speaker 13 (33:16):
Yeah, extremely happy that you know, I am now on
the same team as him and don't have to ga
game plan against him, you know, twice a year. But
you just have to have a plan for really every
every play. You know, when you're going against a guy
like that, you know, third downs, you know that he's
going to be on it and you have to send
help his way. That leaves other guys singled up. You know,
there's a time clock in your head to get the

(33:37):
ball out of your hand. You know, he's an incredible player.
Really glad that he's back here and that will be teammates.

Speaker 18 (33:43):
And then obviously going from you know, starting in Pittsburgh
pretty quickly to having to accept a backup role in
a place like Philly. But how did you kind of
approach that mentally? And you know, how did you kind
of handle that?

Speaker 13 (33:56):
Yeah, they just looked as another year just to prepare
and get better as a player and learn learn from
from a great organization, great team, great coaching staff. I
think it was, you know, really crucial for me just
to see another through another lens and be in another system, uh,
you know, play play with different you know, teammates. They
got great players over there as well, so I think

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there was a lot of areas to learn and improve.

Speaker 10 (34:19):
Thank you, Okay, we have time for a few more.
Next we'll go to Ashley.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Hey, Kenny, So, Jerry Judy here last year obviously have
his breakout season, first one thousand yard season. Just what
what have you seen out of him? And how enticing
is it as a quarterback to get to throw him
the ball some knowing his skill set.

Speaker 12 (34:41):
Yeah, I'm excited about that.

Speaker 13 (34:42):
We're actually training together down in Florida and it just
kind of worked out that way. Yeah, I was training
there before I even got traded to the Browns. And now,
you know, we'll get a chance to work together down there.
But just seeing his route running, his ability to create
separation and get open, his ball skills, you know, everything
that he can do down the field. You know, he's
an incredible player, so you know, throwing the ball to
him is a pretty good play. So I think it's

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a good place to start.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
So was this the first time you guys had had
trained together. Had you met him before or anything like
that before this offseason?

Speaker 12 (35:11):
No, this was this was the first time.

Speaker 13 (35:13):
So it's it's kind of funny how that worked worked
out for us, and you know, our favor and we'll
get a chance to spend some time together down there
before we head back up here for OTAs.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Awesome, Thank you.

Speaker 10 (35:23):
Okay, next we'll go to cam.

Speaker 19 (35:28):
Hey, Kenny playing you know in pitt and then Pittsburgh.
Kind of familiar with this Midwest area as a guy
who's spent time here. I mean, what have you come
to learn about the passion behind this sport, particularly in
this in this zone now that you're about to play
for the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 13 (35:45):
Yeah, it's it's a great It's a great environment to
play in as a player. You know, anytime you're in
an AFC North divisional game. There's just a bit of
a different feel in the stadium. You know, I can't
really describe it to just being being a player playing
in different games and then you get in then in
its division, you know, divisional game, there's a lot more
on the line that the fans really do care. They're

(36:05):
really passionate about the teams and want to see their
teams do well. So as a player, it's an honor
to play, you know, in a stadium like that, and
you know, I take a lot of pride in it,
and uh, you know, work hard to be the best
I can to go out there, you know and perform.

Speaker 10 (36:23):
Thanks Cam. Next we'll go to Joe.

Speaker 8 (36:31):
Hey, Kenny, just wandering during the draft process, did you
have any meetings with Kevin Stefanski or Andrew Berry and
just did you would you think about it then and
just coming into the building now.

Speaker 7 (36:45):
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 13 (36:45):
I had a chance to meet with them in India. Actually, uh,
you know with Kevin and kind of going through his
system was very similar to you know, the offense that
I ran at the University of Pittsburgh, you know, with
coach Mark Whipple. He actually you know works here in
Cleveland during his time too, before he was you know,
in the college level, so you know, being a chance
to having a chance to work with coach Whip and

(37:06):
learn from him in three years at pitt in an
NFL system really prepared me for the NFL and understand
the terminology, the concepts that you know, a lot of
teams do run, so there's you know, a lot of
crossover there. I think that'll really help me, you know,
speed that process up here learning this system.

Speaker 8 (37:22):
And then just how much familiar you heard you too
with the division? Is it an advantage coming back just
I mean not only with Pittsburgh, but with Baltimore and
Cincinnati too.

Speaker 13 (37:31):
I think it's definitely a big advantage just understanding the
style of play when you're playing in December and January,
what those games kind of look like. It usually comes
down to one possession, you know, at the end of
the game. Teams that protect the ball usually have a
really good chance to win those games. So I have
a good good understanding of you know, how those games go,
you know, over the course of the year and this

(37:52):
season and towards the end of the year where it's
really important. So I definitely want to use that, you know,
experience to my advantage.

Speaker 10 (37:58):
Okay, thanks, okay, and then last one we'll go back
to Mary.

Speaker 9 (38:03):
Kay.

Speaker 11 (38:08):
Yeah, Kenny, I'm just wondering what the Browns having the
number two overall pick in this draft coming up and
them really taking a serious look at either cam Ward
or should do or Sanders who will if one of
those guys gets drafted at number two, they're probably going
to start as rookies or at least give whoever a

(38:29):
real run for their money as rookies. So just wondering
what is your mindset knowing that there's a very good
chance that they could take this quarterback at number two.

Speaker 6 (38:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (38:38):
I think my job is simple. I just go play quarterback.

Speaker 13 (38:41):
You know that there's people that, you know, go make
those decisions, you know, And I have no saying that
I really love my job and I wouldn't trade my job.

Speaker 12 (38:49):
So I like to go, you know, go out there,
throw the football, compete.

Speaker 13 (38:52):
Like I said before, whatever happens happens, and you know,
I'm just excited to be here and go play.

Speaker 10 (38:58):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Kenny.

Speaker 12 (39:03):
Yep, thank you, guys, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Can he Pickett available with our local media here for
his introductory press conference. You got a chance to talk
to him one on one right before that presser took off.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
Your impressions, Yeah, impressive, young guy, confident and somebody who
feels like he deserves a chance to once again be
a star in the league. And quite frankly, when you're
fifteen to ten in the National Football League, Yeah, as
a first round pick, that's pretty good. And it's kind
of amazing that he's not necessarily playing now. I know
that you have a situation in which, you know, there

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may have been some limitations in his game as he
was a young player in terms of he wasn't like
you know, this is the guy who wasn't going out
and throwing for three hundred yards and yeah, three touchdowns
every week. But he has some clutch meter. Of his
fifteen wins, seven of them had game winning drives. And
if you think about that, means of the fourteen with
the Steelers, seven of them had game winning drives. Because
when he was the game that he played and started

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for the Eagles, he was very efficient and there was
an absolute blow out of the Dallas Cowboys, so didn't
need to have a game winning drive. There's again, I
said it yesterday in the middle of the show. I'm
totally intrigued to see him get an opportunity. Yeah, you know,
and compete. And does that mean he's the day one start. No,
I still think that you need to go and he's

(40:19):
a bite at the apple and he's hungry. He learned
a lot in Philadelphia last year, talked about that behind
Jalen Hurts. Working with Jalen Hurts, you know, he's talked
to a lot of guys around the league who have
been in similar situations where they were you know, drafted,
didn't work out with their original team, and are trying
to find their way somewhere else. So I liked him.
I thought he was an impressive guy, and I think that,

(40:42):
like I said, he is, it's letting him compete. Whatever
that looks like. That's great, But I don't think it
changes in any way, shape or form that if you're
all in on cam Ward, that you do whatever you
have to do to get to the number one pick
to take him. And then if you're not all in
on cam Ward, if you like him and should do
or basically equally, then you're good at too. I don't

(41:03):
think it should change what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
I think it.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
Should change nothing about your draft plans. I do think
it gives you another player who is young, who is talented,
who had the pedigree to be a first round pick
in the National Football who's one in the NFL. I
said it again, and it's you know, fifteen to ten
to sixty percent winning percentage. That is really a big

(41:26):
that's a that's a very good winning percentage in this league.
And it's the best we've had here since I've been
in this organization.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, I like the phrase bite at the apple. That's
what it is. It's it's not that dissimilar to what
the Jets did with Justin Fields. It's really not. It's
not that dissimilar than what the Colts did with Daniel Jones.
It's a former first rounder who in a new setting.

(41:53):
Maybe there's something there, the difference between the circumstances and
those This is probably most similar to the Colt situation
where where Daniel Jones is I think most all of
us presumed starter, but Anthony Richardson is going to get
a chance, and well they're going to have a competition.
Fields is the starter with the Jets, Like that's it,
a hunter the starter Kenny is going to get a
chance to compete. And who's in that room and what

(42:16):
does it look like? Who knows for now, but he's
gonna get a chance to compete for that job. Yeah,
And that's it.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
That's it, that's all, And that's all you can ask for, right, Yeah,
that's all you can ask for is an opportunity to
compete and to try and you know, if you're Kenny Pickett,
get yourself on the field and try to become a
starter and a winner in this league.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
And I like that. There's no risk to the Browns
in this move. None, none. So that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
And we've done this before. Sometimes it hits, sometimes it doesn't,
but somebody who didn't maybe what they were drafted to
be and now you get another chance and see and
it's happened all over the league. I mean, Bake Jones,
Darnald Gino, there's a ton of these fields and just
this year, yes, and no risk.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
The only way that this team and I talked about
kind of that twenty twenty seven deadline to get out
of this is to have somebody on a rookie contract
playing well for the next two years. And now you've
got Kenny Pickett and I'm guessing the presumable number your
first pick.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
In this draft.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
So that's two bites at the Apple that can do
that for you in these next two years.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
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Speaker 3 (44:04):
All right, we want to head right back to the podium.
Joe Tryon Shanka joining via zoom his press conference.

Speaker 20 (44:10):
Let's have a listen, making making making plays in the backfield, disrupting,
disrupting the flow of offense.

Speaker 10 (44:17):
Okay. Next we'll go to Jeff.

Speaker 15 (44:19):
So, Hey, what what made what made you choose the
Browns when you're uh, yeah, you had a chance to
go to other teams.

Speaker 20 (44:27):
I suppose what made you choose here? Great opportunity to
come come out and hunt. Just pin my ears back,
play with some some amazing players alongside the d line
and just you know, let pim my ears back at hunt.

Speaker 7 (44:41):
Just just go. There'll be crazy dog on the field.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (44:48):
Okay, Next we'll go to Chris.

Speaker 14 (44:54):
Hey, Joe, what did it ask you? You obviously played
outside linebacker in Tampa. How different or schematically is it
maybe if you have to move more to you know,
a more traditional four to three type of hand in
the dirt defensive end compared to what you've been playing
you know, the last the last few years in Tampa.

Speaker 20 (45:17):
Scheme wise, you know, in the fourth three you're allowed
to just you know, simplify it, see what you see
and go attack. You're you're on your line, you're on
your track, and you're just ready to recommend as an
outside linebacker, you got a little more responsibility and coverage.
You might be off the ball, you might be you know,
lined up on on a receiver out wide, So just

(45:38):
different different responsibilities.

Speaker 14 (45:40):
Did you just quick follow up on that? Had you
played that previously, like at Washington or or you know,
in high school beforehand?

Speaker 7 (45:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (45:52):
Thanks, Okay, next, we'll get it Dan.

Speaker 18 (46:01):
Hey, Joe, welcome to Cleveland. How much of your game
have we not seen? In your curl? How much more
is there that can be unlocked now? And in this
gym Schwartz scheme.

Speaker 20 (46:12):
Oh man, there's so much more. And this is just
the beginning for me. You know, I feel like I'm
in the not even in the peak of my career.
This is where you know things can get get going
in the right direction, where where you know I'm allowed
to just be free and just be the player where
I'm going one hundred miles an hour every play in
h Schwartz defense is perfect for that.

Speaker 18 (46:33):
And then obviously you know, with Miles Garrett signing his
extension on Sunday or Green to his extension on Sunday,
you're gonna you're going to get to play with him.
So I mean, what are you expecting out of that pairing?

Speaker 20 (46:43):
Man, I'm expecting to just reckon Havo, have a lot
of fun playing with Swag, a lot of effort running
the ball.

Speaker 7 (46:50):
Just expect. Expectations are high.

Speaker 18 (46:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (46:56):
Okay. Next we'll go to Tony.

Speaker 16 (47:00):
Do you have any past associations with the coaches here
or any teammates?

Speaker 20 (47:05):
Now one, Nick Harris. I played college football him at
University of Washington.

Speaker 16 (47:11):
Wow, okay, So were you surprised that the Browns showed
interest in you? I mean when you and your agent
kind of looked at the landscape, did the Browns come
on the horizon at all?

Speaker 20 (47:24):
Yeah, they definitely did, just based off of a scheme
wise just where you're able to pen years back.

Speaker 7 (47:29):
Like, I can't emphasize that enough. How attractive that it attractive?

Speaker 20 (47:33):
That is, as a frigent being able to just do
that and go out and game after games, go be
the dog that you want to be. It's definitely super attractive.
And I couldn't say I pictured myself anywhere else now.

Speaker 16 (47:45):
Wow, okay, thank you.

Speaker 10 (47:49):
Okay. Next we'll go to Ashley.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Hey, Joe, I know you you've only missed a couple
of games. Throughout your career, just in these early years,
how important and how much have you emphasized just availability
for yourself.

Speaker 7 (48:05):
That's the biggest thing.

Speaker 20 (48:05):
If you're not able to practice, you're not able to
provide for your team, you ain't not able to be
out there, then you're kind of what's the point? You know,
you have to be able to be available as the
best ability.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
And then just I mean as you entered this next phase,
I mean Tampa obviously they had the option to keep
you and you guys parted ways, Like how motivating is
that for you? Like, oh, I became a free agent
and now to take this next step in your career
and up your stats or do whatever.

Speaker 7 (48:33):
Super motivating, you know, super motivating.

Speaker 10 (48:40):
Okay, Next we'll go to Scott.

Speaker 9 (48:45):
And Joel going back to Miles with him agreeing to
that extension. Did that play a role in you signing
with le Browns?

Speaker 20 (48:54):
No, sir, I didn't know that any contracts was going on.
I'm excited to play next to him now, super blessed.

Speaker 9 (49:00):
Have you talked him all? Do you know him at all?

Speaker 20 (49:02):
I just met him today for the first time, got
his contact. Amazing, dude.

Speaker 9 (49:07):
What's it about his game?

Speaker 7 (49:09):
That you admire the most us.

Speaker 20 (49:14):
It's just pure grit, you know. You know, effort all
all effort is effort isn't skilled. But when you're when
you use effort and you have skill, it just looks effortless.

Speaker 7 (49:23):
But his effort is all all effort. Thank you.

Speaker 10 (49:29):
Okay, we have time for a few more. Next we'll
get a spencer.

Speaker 17 (49:35):
Hey, Joe, logo to Cleveland. Man, Uh, you allerdered this
a little bit. But with with Jim Schwartz defense, just
what do you know about it coming in and how
excited are you to play? To play in his system
that really emphasizes obviously just kind of waves of pass
rushers and being one of those guys.

Speaker 20 (49:53):
Man, it's super, like I said, super attractive spot to
come to in a Schwartz defense. Man, he's just sitting
down with him, had me. She's getting me super amped
up ready to get on the field. I just can't
wait to keep going. Man, he's got a great great philosophy,
great mind, great great mind for the game.

Speaker 7 (50:09):
So just super blessed to be in this position.

Speaker 10 (50:12):
Thanks Joe. Next we'll go to cam.

Speaker 21 (50:22):
Joe, you talked about playing and being paired with Miles Garrett,
but there's some some other faces on that line that
are trying to come into their own, like Mike Hall,
Isaiah McGuire.

Speaker 10 (50:33):
Alex Right.

Speaker 19 (50:34):
I don't know how much.

Speaker 21 (50:34):
You know about any of those guys, but having kind
of the presence that the defensive line on this Cleveland
Browns does, how much do those other players entice you
and maybe even you know, working with them as they
come into their own as well.

Speaker 20 (50:51):
Man, it's gonna be a unit. It's gonna be a
unit world brothers. So you know, if we're getting better
as a unit and that's definitely good for the for
the whole team, that's that's the plan. You know, if
we're both getting better and it's good for the team,
that's that's definitely a great opportunity.

Speaker 10 (51:10):
Okay, and last one we'll go to Dan.

Speaker 18 (51:20):
There we go sorry about that. Ultimately in the end,
when you kind of look back at your Tampa experience,
why why do you think it? It didn't completely work
out there and they didn't bring you back? And then
are you someone who kind of carries that with you,
like carries that chip on your shoulder.

Speaker 20 (51:36):
Yeah, definitely, you know, I'll carry a chip on my
shoulder for anything. That's that's the that's the name of
the game. You gotta find an edge. So I'll say
I had a great experience in Tampa. I wouldn't wouldn't
trade it for anything. It's just things happened for a reason,
and I ended up in a great organization like Cleveland,
and I'm sure that with this scheme and everything that
we have set in place, you know, I'm supposed to

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be here, and I know this is the place I
want to be. So I'm definitely blessed.

Speaker 10 (52:03):
Thank you, Thank you so much. Have a good dress
for your day. Thank you everyone, Thank you.

Speaker 6 (52:09):
Take care.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Right all right, there you go, Joe tryon, Shoyinka, show Yinka,
show Yinka.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Yeah, show Yinka. Joe try and s h O H
and then show I E E N and then k yinka.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Okay, got it, show Yinka.

Speaker 7 (52:29):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
At least that's how it's listed in the all that pronunciation.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
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Speaker 3 (52:57):
Welcome back in Cleveland Browns Daily presented by Bally beneficial
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studio new offensive tackle Cornelius Lucas and CEO with us.
Cornelis good to see you, man, Welcome to town. Great
to see you guys. How how does this come about?
What led you to eventually decide that this is where
you wanted to be?

Speaker 6 (53:16):
Who? Well?

Speaker 22 (53:18):
I was with Washington for the last five seasons, played
some good ball with them, got the free agency, they padded,
defeet and the Browns came and got me, swooped me away.
Man here, I am ready to be in a dog
prom and.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
We are certainly thrilled to have you. And you know,
one of the things that the Browns picking second in
the draft, much like your Washington team did a year ago,
you saw firsthand how getting the right rookie quarterback can
turn things around. What kind of a shot in the
arm was that to the organization and to all of
you guys that played.

Speaker 22 (53:53):
Man, it was so unexpected, just being there for so
many seasons and playing mediocre all and then having him
come and just revamped the entire program needs to say,
with new ownership and new coaching and all that stuff.
But the guy's are balling, man, and it's unexplainable. I've

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never seen him. I've never seen a rookie in person
do with the things that he did.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
So it can but you you're no firsthand that can
change everything.

Speaker 7 (54:21):
Yes, it certainly.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Did so quickly.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
I also have to ask, as you're a very finely
dressed man here today, that's a company against it was,
was Cliff the best dressed offensive coordinator you've ever had?

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Cliff best dressed? He's up there, he's up there. I
don't know if he's best dress well swag swagged there
for sure. Yeah. What what what did you see in
terms of because you know, we don't know anything for sure,
but anticipating that there will be a young quarterback here
and already have one of the building and Kenny Pickett,
who's a young guy but but potentially could be taking
one at the top of the draft, what did you
see organizationally in Washington. Uh that last year with Jaden

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that that put him in an incubator to have success
and obviously being the league as long as you have
you that that's critical with a young guy.

Speaker 22 (55:01):
Total cohesiveness from top down. Everyone was on the same page.
From communication, the way we went about, the way they
went about scheduling the days, the way that we prepared,
the way that he prepared. Guy was up at five
five thirty every day, first guy in, last guy out.

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Virtual reality reps, like getting those at game speed and
making them faster than game speed. I've seen that in
the first person and how it can be such like
a beneficial help.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
What is it like when you said you're saying you
saw it through him or did you ever put it on?

Speaker 22 (55:38):
And no, No, I haven't put it on by seeing
him do it. Yeah, I seeing how fast. I've seen
how fast he goes through the plays and check downs
and like running each play versus the blitz. I can
see how beneficial it can be to a young quarterback
and getting those reps in.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
What's incredible killing about it?

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Yeah, incredible technology And that's you know, he said run it.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
They runned it.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
And I remember reading about this that did they run
it faster then the real speed, So then the game
seems like slow, slow motional that looked like for him
it did look like that certainly at times.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
For you?

Speaker 5 (56:07):
What's been kind of the secret to your success? There
are not many people, as you well know, that came
in the league in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
They are still here.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
You're gonna have another one potentially next to you on
the offensive line and Joel Buttonio. But what kind of
has been your secret to be able to kind of
stay in this league this long?

Speaker 22 (56:24):
First and foremost, I want to give thanks to God.
I want to give thanks to my support team, my mom,
my girl, my kid, and just the the intangible things
that you're that you're born with, like my persistency, my consistency,
my productive paranoia, like not taking note of an answer,

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not going too many days without sweating, getting some work in, uh,
just coming in through the back door. I feel like
if I would have been drafted high, I probably wouldn't
have the same work that I think ought to feel
the same way I feel about this game. Yeah, going
through the things I've been through and having a door
shutting my face, he just lit a fire under me
that I can't put out like I keep trying to

(57:08):
walk away and keep calling me, and I don't think
i'll be. I don't think i'll be a walk away.

Speaker 11 (57:12):
Man.

Speaker 22 (57:12):
It's just this game loves me and I love You's
just just that much more.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
This just sort of the audience is aware you're an
undrafted free agent, Yes, sir, Yeah, I cannot imagine. I mean,
you talk about just guys who are rookies in fourteen,
but undrafted free agents in fourteen probably.

Speaker 22 (57:27):
A small yeah, I would think so too.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
When and when you see guys come in in the
circumstances you were, what advice do you give to them
in terms of being able to make a living in
a game you love and apply your trade and stay
vital two rosters year in and year out.

Speaker 22 (57:48):
First and foremost, you have to be able to see
around corners. You have to be a play multiple positions.
You have to be on your p's and q's. Because
if you're drafted high, you get a chance to make mistakes,
you get a chance to bump your head and grow.
Have you undrafted? There ain't too many chances, right, you
know what I'm saying. There's not too many chances at all,

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so the chances you get, you have to make the
most out of them and just give thanks to God
and stay humble and never start working. That would pick
your head up, keep your head down, and keep brinding.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
And that is the key mean.

Speaker 22 (58:27):
Magic sauce is every day you got to wake up
and be the same person.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
And you have done this throughout your career.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
And you started off here in the Midwest, just the
three or north in Detroit, spent some time chicag You've
started games every stop that you've had in the National
Football League, and you really found a home, you said,
five straight years in Washington.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
What's kind of Are you kind of happy to be
a returned to the Midwest? I don't know, Kansas state
out of that count is the.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
Midwest, but it's kind of more I would call that
actually the Midwest. I think that this is mislabeled the
Midwest though where we are, since we were a drive
to the east coast, not really to the west coast.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
But you know how much.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
Football means in this part of the country. Is that
is that kind of exciting to return here?

Speaker 22 (59:04):
I don't know if I'm ecstatic about being in the Midwest.
I'm more so ecstatic about being somewhere where I'm wanting it,
uh and being a part of something that's going to
be great. And I can see the foundation and the
footsteps that everyone's put in place. I'm just excited to
be here.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
Man.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
You think about the pros on this offensive line you're joining,
about Joel but Tonio, You think about why a tellerin?

Speaker 7 (59:24):
For sure?

Speaker 16 (59:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Multiple all pro obviously duan young guy.

Speaker 6 (59:28):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
The tallest.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
You guys are really close, yeah, heightwise, So it'd be
interesting to see on that to be with this group.
How much did that weigh into your decision?

Speaker 22 (59:41):
I definitely looked at it and saw how much veteran
leadership we have in this group, and I felt like
I'll feel right in. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I'm not a big hoo rah guy. More so put
you to the side and say a couple of words
in your ear. But it's good when you can get
around other veteran guys and really get that cohesiveness ruling
because it takes time to get that, and they already

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put the time in. I put the time in, so
it's just ready to go. He's ready to hit, ready
plus play.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
So they talk about You know, obviously they have the
longevity in this league that you've had.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
You have to be valuable in multiple ways.

Speaker 16 (01:00:12):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
It's a swing tackle.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
You gotta play left, you gotta play right wherever sometimes
they need you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
That's where you go.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
Maybe God whatever, You're right wherever they need you.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
Do you have?

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
Is there one side that feels more natural to you?
Left tackle? Right tackle?

Speaker 22 (01:00:25):
Oh I'm actually left handed, so I can wake up
and play left tackle. Okay, right tackle. I got to
think a little bit more. But once I get going,
I feel like I'm a better right tackle. I'm a
left tackle.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:00:36):
It's it's all on what I'm practicing. Yeah, yeah, it's
all on what I'm practicing during that period of time.

Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
What did it mean today to have walking around and
I saw your your family with you?

Speaker 6 (01:00:44):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:00:45):
Man, a full circle moment. I came in this game
by myself. I've always been by myself, and to have
my family with me today it was enlightening and something
I never forget. Man taking pictures and seeing my son
small for the camera.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Yeah, man, how old is he? Four months?

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
He looks pretty fresh.

Speaker 7 (01:01:06):
Four months in a week, four.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
Months in a week, awesome, mister. And then you're your
daughter is yea and she she's six six that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
So she's well aware. She's well aware.

Speaker 22 (01:01:20):
But yeah, yeah, she loves to run around on the field.
I'll get us up time.

Speaker 6 (01:01:24):
I like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
I like when she run around. It's just a short
night for we have two mascots. She's gonna love to
play with you. You've got chomps and then you got
the love. Yeah, oh yeah. The dog found found puppies
at training camp. Puppies at training camp. They line them
up out there for ad option. So there she's gonna love.
She's gonna love that. You might get a couple, that's
what happens with that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:42):
Though.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Yeah, I don't know about that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
I don't know what it could be. You know, Dad,
do you want to go? Do you want to go
get some more reps with Miles Garrett?

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
You want to Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Hey man, we Nathan always asked us, and well, we'll
get you out of here on this if there is
you know, the long career and I think such an
inspiration for young players and just anybody in life about
a stick to itdness that you've had in your career.
If there is something that you would want our fans
to know about you, what would it be?

Speaker 22 (01:02:11):
Oh, very humble. I'm very persistent. I'm very consistent. Family guy.
I believe in God, keep hope alive, and love on
one another. Man is love. Love is key.

Speaker 6 (01:02:34):
Love is key.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
That's right. That's great. Great seeing you. Welcome to town,
Welcome to great media. Thanks for joining us here on
the program.

Speaker 7 (01:02:41):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
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the league today. Russell Wilson reportedly here in the building
and I don't know if he I don't know if
he's still here, but he was here this morning. Yes

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and that much we know. But Russell Wilson was here.
The Pittsburgh Steelers are waiting on Aaron Rodgers, it seems.

Speaker 6 (01:03:47):
First.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
In the meantime, they have signed Mason Rudolph back. He
was away from them for a year at Tennessee. And
now he can't quit them. Can't quit him.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
They love him, can't quit them.

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
He played pretty well for them two years ago down
the stretch when I believe did pick it got benched,
either got bench or was hurt and then benched could be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
But two years ago Rudolph led them into the playoffs. Yeah,
and then they had the chance to acquire Russ and
then everybody said was go see you. And that was
the way that he was with the Titans. Also, like
if you're Pittsburgh, like you start to get a little
nervy because you're like, if Rogers decides he wants to
stay in Malibu and gaze at the ocean and be
done playing football, which is certainly his prerogative. If that

(01:04:26):
is the case, e owes them nothing now in terms
of like an answer or anything like he's got to make.
He's not on any sort of timetable. He's a walk
into Canton first ballot Hall of Famer in his sleep,
so he doesn't need to do any of that. In
the meantime, they don't want to be sitting here going like, well,
wait a second, we have no quarterback now, and we
don't pick first or second, so we can't draft one,
and we're running out of options. We got a team

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that we feel likes, a playoff team that is a
winning record every year. We got to at least be
competent here. Let's get Mason in here. He knows the
system and go from there. So I think that's their
thinking because they are waiting on Rogers. Once that happens,
then whatever what happens with Russell Wilson is to follow,
whether that's here or the Giants or back to Pittsburgh.
But the Rogers thing has to be first. It feels like,

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just in case the Giants said, hey, maybe we want
Russ while you're waiting on Rogers, they need to have
somebody in the room.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
Yeah, they need to.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
You cannot plan for something that is not a guarantee, right,
so you've got to give yourself an opportunity to have
an insurance or a call it a backup policy in place.
And so I think that's what they're doing. That's the
way it strikes me, that's what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
I would say as well. So that's where you stand
on that. You and I did not get a chance
to discuss the Cincinnati scenario. So the Cincinnati Bengals allowed
for Trey Hendrickson to go to market. Correct, They he
is trying to field offers to find a new home.
In addition to acquiring Trey Hendrickson, You've got to give
him a new contract, so that limits the amount of

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teams that are willing to give up a bunch and
also then sign him for that Part's not the problem him,
it sounds like, but that's not the problem. Correct. The problem,
in fact is that Cincinnati is I what they're trying
the ask for Hendrickson is astronomical by all accounts. That's
it's ridiculous. It's not realistic. It's it's a ridiculous amount

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that they're asking. My theory on this is is that
what Mike Brown is banking on is that Joe Burrow
alone can lift all boats, and that if we if
Trey Hendrickson's still here, because Burrow's here, he'll play hard
and we'll keep him well he'll play under the contract
that he has to play because he's still under contract.
T Higgins have been franchised, He's under contract. Jamar Chase

(01:06:38):
is under contract. Could the Cincinnati Bengals just run all
of this back and not give any extensions to any
of them and just say Burrow please lift them all?
I mean, that's this is nuts. Like the ask that
they're giving for Hendrickson is crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
If that happens.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
If that happens, they're basically the next he's going to
request the trade.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Burrow will it's over, it's done, it's a reset. Yeah,
I agree, but that it seems like that's the fire
they're willing to play in because like this asking price
for Hendrickson is to universally every insider in the league
saying this is not.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
And you have multimal apparently there are multiple teams that
are willing to pay him what he.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Wants, which I assume is in the thirty six million
a year between thirty six and forty.

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
By between Crosby Miles, and you can make the case
for him he just led the league in sacks last year,
that he should get you know, maybe not for as
many years, right, but that you could offer him a
two year eighty two. Yes, that's higher ap year than
but as a limit, so until he's only thirty three,
So it's a two year deal.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
Yeah, seventy million guaranteed or something like that. Yeah, yeah,
you could see that. But it's a it's a crazy
game gamble that they're doing down there with with that
and really quiet on most everything else. Yep. So you're
just kind of waiting on that for them or the
other team in the North, the Baltimore Ravens. They sign
DeAndre Hopkins, so they add him to.

Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
That with it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
The Ravens are.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
Very interesting to me in the sense that they make
a ton of incredible decisions.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
But if there's one position.

Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
That they seem to have a little bit of a
blind spot for what somebody has was or accomplished in
the past, it's wide receiver. There are a lot of
guys that kind of finish out their career in Baltimore
at that position. Now, six million is different than when
they gave fifteen to Odell. Yeah, six million, Okay, that's
less than two two out well got so that makes sense.

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And if you got to look at what they're doing,
I kind of see the role that he plays for
them is like a big slot kind of not a
tight end. But you've got Za Flowers, You've got Bateman
who's a home run hitter, and then he's going to
work the short and intermediate game and just be a
reliable another reliable option. So on that hand, I don't hate.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
It, no, no, And they're in a position them, the Bills,
the Lions. There's a handful of teams that there is
an immense amount of pressure to go win the ultimate prize.
They're running it back, yep, you know, Buffalo's running it
back and adding. Detroit's trying to run it back and
add for the most part, although they have brand new
coordinators across the board, but there's some incredible pressure in

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some of those spots in terms of filling out those
those sizable expectations. All right, Coming up next, we will
go around the league. I don't know what Dallas is doing.
I don't know if Jerry's trying to win. I really don't.
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Longtime Cowboys defensive end to Marcus Lawrence has signed with
the Seattle Seahawks. So just this offseason, Zach Martin, DeMarcus Lawrence,

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really nothing in free agency for Dallas.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
Yep, what are we doing?

Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
And you restructured CD and they backed down.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
You have a ton of money, all that money and
for what Brian Schottenheimer, that's it. That's what we're doing, Jarrah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
It's strange.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
We talked about it last year going into the season,
and by the way, it turned out to be right
for the whole season.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
Certainly not in Week one. Leak one was not a.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
Problem for the Dallas Cowboys unfortunately. But it is strange
what they're doing. I really don't understand it, to be honest.
Us they had it felt like a team that was
on the cusp and now they are clearly the third
team in their division.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Yeah, distant and fading and fading.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
Yeah, Ricodoubdell they let go. I know they brought in
Javonte Well. I guess they're gonna draft on. It's a
great running back draft. But Rico Daddell played well for them,
and now he lands in in Carolina where they've got
they sign Chuba Hubbard to an extension. They've got the
kid that they drafted, Jonathan Brooks, who yeah, as a rookie,

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which is tough. But Carolina has got a sneaky little
squad there. If they can just get to the point
where they're everybody on offense can understand Xavier Legit in
the in the huddle, then they might have something. Apparently
they nobody can understand anything that he says in the huddle.
Bryce Young says, Adam Thielen, is that the translator, which is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
He's going postum and all that?

Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Yes, isn't that his operation?

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
He does a lot of great anything.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
His press conferences are fantastic. The Patriots are releasing cenator
David Andrews. He's been there forever and so they're they're
releasing David Andrews. On that side of things, This one
struck me fancy the forty nine Ers have signed quarterback
Mac Jones two years, seven million. The amount of attention
that was given to Mac Jones in the lead up
to that draft, that Kyle Shanahan wanted him no matter what.

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There obviously was truth to it that he did want.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Him but didn't. Isn't that Lance draft?

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Right? So it was between Lance and Jones, But everybody
talked about we think it's Mac Jones for the Niners,
and then he went to two to get Trey Lance. Yep,
and now he ends up with Mac Jones. So there
must have been some truth to they did like something
about Mac.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
There's no doubt and I think that you know, you
think about uh, Kyle and you bring in that's a
great place to go as a backup, right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
It's it's quarterback rehabilitation. That's what happened to Sam Darnold.
That type of offense is what happened with Bake with
the Rams, Like you go to those type of guys
who put you in a position to succeed and you
rediscover why you're good at the game and how you're
good at the game. I'm convinced of it, yep. And
that's what he's gonna get a chance to do.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
Yeah, And it's a skill set that travels. I believe
on the success of Sam Darnold, mac Jones can do
a year in San Francisco and anybody running that offense.
For example, let's say that Matt Stafford retires after this year.
I'm not saying he will, but let's just in a
world where he did, or JJ McCarthy suffers another injury,

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Kevin O'Connell, Sean McVay here, we would look at that
guy differently after a year of tutelage under Kyle Shannon
in that offense, because we've seen people play in it
and then go on and play better elsewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
So I think that's to me for mac Jones. What
a what a perfect place to go, Absolutely perfect place
to go.

Speaker 6 (01:13:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Is this our guy? Harrison Bryant signing with the Eagles
one year, two million.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
He was with the Raiders last year.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Yeah, yep. Rappaport has him Raiders Patriots. I didn't remember
him at the Patriots. I think it went from US
to the Raiders. What Rapaport is saying former Raiders and
Patriots tight end Harrison Bryant, No.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
Raiders and Brown Raiders and Browns.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
You know he was in all of the season. He
was kidding getting cut and then picked up by the.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
Fact that he doesn't listen Browns is very I mean
he played here, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
That doesn't look well, it's not a surprise given the source.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Yeah. No, I don't think he played in New England.
I don't remember that, not that I followed him every second.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
The entire four years with the Browns and one year
with the Raiders. We knew it was the Raiders. I
saw him when we were there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Yeah, not a single game for.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
The Patriot Come on, come on, rap aport, wrap sheet,
lock it in.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
Give a quote tweet that say, don't you have a
phone call the answer?

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Safety Harrison Smith's going to return to the Vikings one years,
a one year, eleven million Minnesota's they they're putting JJ
in a spot. Man. If that kid's got game to him,
their defensive line completely and their defense is good. Anyway.
They added to that those receivers. I mean, then thirteen
and four, you want to talk about the best position
of young quarterbacks been in for success, that's way up there.

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If JJ can stay healthy. Yeah, Eagles reach an agreement
with a Chiefs linebacker Josh uch on a one year
contract as well. And then the other thing around the
league Marvin Harrison Junior and his uh he was in
legal issues with Fanatics. That's been resolved a dispute, a dispute.
So if you want the Marvin Harrison jersey now on
the on the Fanatics, you can get it. I wonder

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if you could get it at their at the facility.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
I would have to imagine that they were. You probably
couldn't get through Fanatics, but I'd have to imagine the
team shop.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
But you can't. I think you couldn't buy on site.
You can't get it online because Fanatics runs the NFL site. Now, yeah,
they run all the sites.

Speaker 6 (01:15:50):
It's a wild I was told yep, sooner rather than later,
I bet.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
But they had it ready for quite some time. But
you missed the apex to get it would have been
last year. Like how much money did he cost himself
not selling his jersey online last year as a rookie,
Like you didn't have that great of a year, Like
this isn't gonna be like pretty right? Yeah? Yeah? Oh
what I'm saying that the biggest that would have been

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of the Arizona carts.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
Yes, and of his career, most likely it'd be the first.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
The first one, and now there won't be near the
enthusiasm for it.

Speaker 18 (01:16:24):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Seeing this from the Washington Post online, John Feinstein, sports
commentator and author, dies at sixty eight. Season Yes, Season
on the Brink. Yeah, he wrote Season on the Brink.
He followed by five books. That's the one that put
it all on them. He was an SI guy when
SI really mattered and they had like all the best
sports writers wrote for Sports Illustrated, when Sports Illustration for

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us as a kids like that was a window for
me into sports. Was SI?

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
He was there. College basketball guy one of them, him
and Kurry Kirkpatrick was another one. But he wrote Season
on the Brink, which was the ESPN made that into
a movie. Brian Dennehy playing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
Did he write a good walk spoiled about golf?

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
That seems like it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:08):
His most recent book was, Uh, Charity about David Fardy,
twenty three New York Times bestsellers.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
No, that's not coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
What did you say?

Speaker 6 (01:17:22):
It was a spoiled.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
Let's see, it's a golf But I don't know why
that popped into my head when he said.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
The majors that pursued of Golf's Holy Grail, the last Amateurs,
the purse, caddy for life, A lot of golf ones.
Next man up, tales of boy A lot of golf ones.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
Alright, so I had yeah, I missed it, said, I
wonder who were with that?

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
What was the name of it?

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
A good walk spoiled?

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
It was about the PGA tour, if I'm even recalling
its correctly, But that came right into my mind, John,
So I was right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Yep, how about it?

Speaker 6 (01:18:01):
How about it?

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Well? Welltal Trapp.

Speaker 5 (01:18:04):
By the way, have you heard the news coming out
of North Carolina? No, the university and you have not
seen this? No?

Speaker 6 (01:18:10):
Have you seen this?

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
No about Bill? No? What's up with Cooper?

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
Flag again?

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
I'm this is via the Assembly NC. Now, North Carolina's
new state digital state wide magazine, End Depth Reporting doesn't
have a ton of followers, but it does have some,
and it's been picked up by others that apparently Jordan Hudson,
who was the twenty four year old girlfriend of Bill Belichick,
has been acting as Belichick's agent, and in a memo

(01:18:39):
that they received a copy of now this says from
the copy that they're showing is from two thousand and
twenty four. December sixteenth, twenty twenty four. Was he already
at North Carolina?

Speaker 6 (01:18:52):
Then?

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
What day?

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
December sixteenth, twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
No, he wouldn't have been at Carolina yet. That was
more like January, wasn't it? Because he won? It was
the NFL cycle?

Speaker 6 (01:19:01):
I think?

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
So then it's erroneous.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Maybe, I mean, I could be I could be wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
He's been there for a while. It is only beginning
of March, so maybe it's possible. Subposally, in this email,
he says thanks for the email. From now on, he
wants her c Seed on every email that's sent.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
To him December eleventh, so it's possible.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
It's Monday, December sixteenth.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
He wants her seed on every email.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
Yes, think of for the email, including Jordan's email, so
she can keep up with our postings. Can you include
her on anything you send to me?

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
Thank you?

Speaker 5 (01:19:36):
And it was My guess is about social Robbie Pickereoll
Robbie Pickerel.

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
Evans and Michael Lombardi.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Who is she?

Speaker 6 (01:19:44):
I know?

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
But other than that, like how did this relationship come about?
I really don't know, great question.

Speaker 6 (01:19:51):
Don't know we Lombardi's taking victory laps. I mean they
haven't even played a game yet.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Well no, they did nothing in recruiting and nothing in
the portal, so really and they weren't. It's not like
he's taken over Alabama post Nick Saban. This strikes me
a little bit, like do you do remember I want
it was his name, Jay Howard Marshall, the Texas billionaire
who married Anna Nicole Smith. Do you remember this story?

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Of course?

Speaker 6 (01:20:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Yeah, I mean the kids I have known, man has
no idea, but I want to say the guy name.

Speaker 6 (01:20:25):
Was like an oil tycoon.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Yeah, like billionaire oil tycoon guy and married Anna Nicole Smith.
And it was like Keiston.

Speaker 5 (01:20:33):
In nineteen ninety four, at the age of eighty nine,
he married twenty six year old mon. Did I get
the name of Chol Smith? Yes, you did, one hundred percent.
That's a pretty good a good one spoiled. That's way
back in the recess. Still, this was his third marriage.
Her second marriage lasted until he passed away fourteenth months later.

Speaker 6 (01:20:51):
And like she seems in love love with she sold
it baby, I mean she definitely or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
But like that's like this Belichick thing's crazy yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
So following the death she was in a corpse Antonicole
became involved in a court battle with her former steps
and E.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Pierce Marshall.

Speaker 5 (01:21:13):
Jay Howard probably six will in trust did not include
Annonicole or j. Howard's other son, Jyward Marshall the third.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
Annicole and j.

Speaker 5 (01:21:19):
Howard Third both sought to overturn the will and trust.
They both lost their cases. However, during the probate proceedings,
Smith declared bankruptcy in California, was awarded four and seventy
four million as a sanction for E. Pierce Marshall's alleged
misconduct and discovery, and then in twenty two, thousand and
two it was vacated and Smith's wards reduced to eighty
eight million.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Well, she passed tragically too though, Yeah, she did last
a whole lot longer. But that is pretty crazy, Like Belichick, like,
what is he doing?

Speaker 6 (01:21:48):
You keep waiting for that to go away, and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
No, and I don't It's yeah, I don't see it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:55):
You were what you're the father, yeah of her?

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Well grandfather could.

Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
Be well no, no, like if you're her dad.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
It was like me and Z's age, our age, our
pre age our age. You got a daughter.

Speaker 6 (01:22:08):
Yeah, I'm not dealing with that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Well, like no that, I don't care who you are. Yeah,
it's awkward.

Speaker 5 (01:22:14):
By the way, people are reporting that Russell Wilson has
departed Beria twenty minutes ago. Video video evidence of it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
I'm over there. When I walked in, I saw so
they were here at nine thirty. Oh geez, that's a
long time. I got done again over there, there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
Yeah, they were all over there. I left about fifteen
minutes ago. Uh scheduled to visit the Giants Tomar. The
Browns have also officially anounced two minutes ago they've agreed
to terms with Malik Collins. Back to back seasons of
five sacks with Houston and San Francisco, and in twenty
twenty three had the arguably the best season of his career,
a lot of career highs. And you know, his defensive
line coach was Jacques Caesare, the defensive line coach of

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your Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
There you go. Do you know what today was five
years ago? Covid Yeah, this was the day at all
Giving and I were talking a while, you were interviewing,
like this was the day, Remember it all shut down.

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
So this was this was Wednesday. This was five years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Wednesday was when Fred Hoiberg. Remember he collapsed at the
Big ten termer like, oh my god, can you just
die by getting Did he just die because of COVID?

Speaker 6 (01:23:12):
Like that?

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
Well, that's the day we came back from Mexico. I
don't remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
I do remember, kay, And then we you and I
did the show Thursday.

Speaker 6 (01:23:18):
Here.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
I was not here Thursday. I never returned to the building.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
We had that wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:23:24):
I never returned. So I came back on Wednesday. By
Wednesday night, the NBA on our drive home from the airport,
the NBA.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
Shuddered, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
I called and was like, hey, we just came back
through customs in O'Hair. Do you want us to come in?
At first they're like yeah, of course. Then later that night,
I think Nick reached back out to me. It was like,
why don't you just take do work from home Thursday Friday.
If you don't have any symptoms by Monday, come back
to work by Friday. It was over, like everything was

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closed and I didn't come.

Speaker 6 (01:23:57):
Back to you didn't come back.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
I thought you were.

Speaker 5 (01:23:59):
I didn't come back to this building. From when we
went to Mexico until I want to say, June of
twenty twenty one, when we came back.

Speaker 6 (01:24:08):
No, no, we're here for training. So we were here
for training camp.

Speaker 5 (01:24:13):
But we were outside in twenty into Yeah, I mean
like inside inside in the studio.

Speaker 6 (01:24:19):
You and I then were here for in twenty We
were here, you and I. There was no remember there
was a giant wall down the middle. You and I
were here. We got permission to do the show from here.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
Oh maybe miss Cake then.

Speaker 6 (01:24:35):
Like Thanksgiving rolled around and like spiked and they were like,
you're out.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
Then I was teams on.

Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
The other side.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
There were five people in this building and I were
two of the two of them on this side of
the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
Man, I thought I could have swore that it was
the three of us right out here on that Friday
getting gear.

Speaker 6 (01:24:53):
In West Germany. We were on this side East Germany
head for there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
No, I know, I didn't come back for a lot
a great while.

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
Yeah, maybe Miss Kate didn't come back until June, but
I mean we did it. We were definitely not here
because a few days ago was the anniversary of the
trade for Odell.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
We were definitely not in the building.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
Well, we were in the building. We did that on
the phone, and that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
Was because that's why we did that one, remember, because
we were.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
At home because we like remember, he's like, can you
guys just get on the first shot.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
That's why we went. We went top.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
It was top five in the world, in the world
of anybody, Top five sports of any podcast in the world,
The Odell Beckham Trade. Yeah, God bless Browns fail. It's
like twenty minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
Yeah, went to top. We have ann we have an
unheard You think you could.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Sell that top five in the world. We have it,
Like you could sell.

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
That, don't We have an unheard emergency? Like I want
to say, Gerald McCoy podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Somewhere do have we that that we did record yes
among others that will remain.

Speaker 6 (01:25:49):
We were talking about that yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
That will remain deep in the car. It's like that.
It's like in Indiana Jones at the end of of
the first one, when you just open up the doors
and there's all those that's kind of like the the
Unheard podcast are out there.

Speaker 6 (01:26:02):
God, we waited around. It was a Friday. He was
in the cafeteria. It helped, hanging.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
Out, chilling. It's like come on, Jeryl, let's get this done,
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Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
All right, buddy, eventful day, eventful little Thursday here on
the program.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
Yeah, there's no doubt, very eventful.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
Cornelius lucas Man, you miss that interview. Find it. It's
inspira inspiring, the idea of great vibe to go from
undrafted to twelve years in the league.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
Just work.

Speaker 5 (01:26:48):
I mean, basically, it's about the work, and that is
that's rare.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
That is rare.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
There's no doubt that is very very rare to be
an undrafted free agent for a decade.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Can He Pickett was here as well. You got a
chance to talk to him. Russell Wilson was in the building.
We will hear mister tomorrow with Zee how about it.
That'll be played there, which is a big win. He
saw Russell Wilson leave the building via on a lot
of the social media. Uh, he was here for much
of the day and just left here in the last
half hour or so. And so the league is kind

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of on hold a little bit for Rogers at the top,
and then Wilson wherever happens with that underneath, and we'll
see it's been a wild week already. And who knows
what tomorrow will bring other than a lot of sunshine.
Who knows, indeed, gonna be nice out there, kids, gonna
be nice. Enjoy yourselves if you can. All right, there
you go, busy little program, much more fun headed your

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