January 29, 2025 • 46 mins
In-depth discussion of recent Dallas Cowboys organizational changes, including Will McClay's extension, Brian Schottenheimer's hiring as head coach, and new defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Cowboys Let's go.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Are you ready for a break?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Are you ready for a break?
Speaker 5 (00:20):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Ready for a break?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, and so much for that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Nick Harris, and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It is Wednesday, January twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty,
episode number one oh one. Welcome to the latest edition
of The Break. We are live from thats WBC Mortgage
Studios at the Star. We are presented by LG. LG
is the world's number one o laed TV brand for
eleven years in counting. See why at LG dot com
forward slash o leed Ebo. It is a crazy week
(00:59):
around here at the Star. A lot going on, more
happening this morning. We're going to get you caught up
on all that, give you our thoughts on all the
things that have transpired from the world of coaching here
at the Star over the last several days. Let's start
first with the news that broke here this morning before
we went on the air. Will McClay, vice president of
player Personnel, has been signed to a multi year extension.
(01:22):
My question for you guys, I'll say I've been on
the record as saying even throughout last season that the
most important signing the Cowboys needed to make this offseason
was Will McClay based on how they do business. If
you're not going to be as active in free agency,
then it is imperative that you hit on the draft.
And I think looking at his record, everything isn't perfect,
(01:45):
which you know, Brian, in the scouting world, there is
no such thing as perfect, but he's as close to
it as I think you can get in the NFL.
And if you're going to rely on that, I think
you got to have Will McClay. What's your thought on
the resigning.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Will McLay is a huge part of what the Dallas
Cowboys do overall. When you look at personnel, and and
I've talked with Will about this before, is the he
likes to call it the triangle, where you know, he
feels like he's in the middle of the triangle. And
when you you have the Jones family at the top,
the coach is on one side and the scouts on
the other, then Will has to navigate. You have to
(02:18):
be almost a almost a diplomat when you're when you're
in that chair with the Dallas Cowboys. You know, others
I've worked with, I've seen, you know, with Larry Lacewell
and how he's you know, he was a guy that
people could come into his office, close the door, talk
to him, make feelings feel better, you know, encourage. You know,
that's something you have to be able to do. It
takes a special person to navigate the triangle because somebody's
(02:41):
always mad at you somebody. The coaches feel like the
scouts are messing them over. The scouts are mad at
the Jones is because they're they're they're they're taking time
off to do something else. And you know, I mean,
everybody's always mad at somebody, you know. And and so
that's where Will does a great job of making sure
that come to a consensus the way their boards set,
(03:02):
that everybody in that room feels good about the pick.
You know, your feelings are going to get hurt. Will
does a good job of saying, hey, listen that there'll
be other battles to fight. You know, we'll fight, you
will fight another time.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Here's where we need to we need your help here.
So it's really it's really like anything like in government
where they where the majority whip stands up there and
gets everybody riled up, and then you have others that
kind of get the votes, you know, uh together and
stuff and and but it's very important. And he's a
very good evaluator. He is an outstanding evaluator. He knows
the division. He's built teams uh that have been capable,
(03:36):
that have won the division. They just got to get
over the hump of getting that team that built to
win the conference. That's the thing that they have to
do right now. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
He he has the right kind of personality to be
on that side of the building and deal with the
people that he deals with. He has really good relationships
and he's been here for forever now, it feels like.
But he's shown that he's done a great job. I
still give him crap though about that Rico gathers one.
But you know, you got to keep people humble around here. No,
(04:08):
he's shown like he the work that he's done speaks
for him for itself. So he has a great history
and even and when you talk about the free agency
and the lack of money to spend because of the cap.
You talk about developing talent and and the ability that
they've had. Of course they've had misses. But when you
(04:29):
look at undrafted free agents, when you look at even
those late round picks, that sometimes they are able to
find gold in those late rounds, and and that's not
always very easy to do. That's a big gamble. And
I think they've hit more than they've missed.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, a lot of their cap has gone to resign
some of their guys. That's you know, and and and
you don't a lot if you don't resign your guys, if
you don't draft them, that's something that's really really really
big here, you know, got wrong on Yeah, And I'll
be interested to see though, because Steven Jones talked about
things that they might need to do differently in free agency,
and you wonder if that is in fact to be about.
(05:09):
Is will going to have have to navigate? Listen, maybe
we're not going to re sign some of our own,
Maybe we're going to let some of our own walk
and then look at some other you know, your money,
it's when it goes somewhere, it's going to go to
your own players or someone else's players. I just wonder
if Will is going to have to navigate something new,
if that's a change that they're going to make.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I'm gonna throw this thought out to you guys,
and I'm interested to hear what you think. It's just
my own personal opinion, But the fact that this happens
today with Will getting the new deal, it says to
me that the hiring that has happened before this Brian
Schottenheimer I think was also important part of retaining Will.
(05:49):
I think that a lot of things that the Cowboys
have done here are about making sure they create the
right environment for Will to want to be here, because
I do think Will has lots of options. Let's be clear,
there are lots of teams out there that I think
would be very happy to have Will McLay heading their
personnel department. That being said, I think that a lot
of this, at the very least, he was good with
(06:09):
the decision, if not even more involved in that decision.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, no, and that's where I mean we'll even mentioned it.
I believe you got caught up with him at the
Senior Bowl yesterday, and very good work by your guys.
Down there to get that done. You know, he was
talking about being part of the interviewing process, you know,
with something is and that's something that every general manager
goes through. You know, you want to be able to
you know, being a part of the process will make
(06:33):
you probably even a better general manager down the road
because you're now the experiences, the questions, the reactions. You
want to see the reaction of the guy or gal
that you're interviewing and and and see how they respond
and that helps you. So yeah, I think the Cowboys
are doing more things for Will to try and you know,
maybe we'll see a change so soon when it comes
(06:56):
to and when it comes to how much more authority
or power Will McLay has in what the daily decisions
are with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
He's a very respectable voice around here, and even for
the Jones I mean Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones, they
respect him a whole lot. And hearing what he said
during the over there, him saying that he was part
of the process. Just hearing that comment, it doesn't really
change much, but it's like a plus sign that you
(07:26):
feel like, oh, okay, it's good to hear that he
was on board with it and involved in that process,
and that tells you a lot. And we've heard and
I know his son is about to be out of
high school and go to college, and it was a
big milestone where this could open up the opportunity for
(07:48):
him to go somewhere else and potentially be a GM
and he's very much capable of doing that, and he's
kind of people think Jerry Jones does absolutely everything around here,
and it's not like that he has a group of
people around him that helps help him make a lot
of those decisions. So I think he It makes me
(08:12):
feel a little bit better to hear that he was
involved in those things because of the respect that I
have for him as well.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, it's starting to make me feel a lot more
like this decision was. You know, whatever everybody thinks of
the process or whatever, it does make me think that
this was a well thought out decision just from the
standpoint of all the people that were involved in it
that ultimately felt good about this decision. And I think
when you're talking about a team, there is there is
something to have having buy in from the quarterback. There
(08:40):
is something having buy in from the guy who heads
up personnel, like those voices will also be the same
voices that you don't want, Brian. You know how this
world goes. You don't want to be months into the
season and you got these these folks being like, yeah,
I don't know what he's doing, Like you know what
I'm saying. So I think there is something to that
that buy in that comes from from those folks, because
those are people that primary going to have to deal
(09:01):
with this guy the most.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
No, you're right about that, that you know the buy
and I think, to be honest with you, I think
the most important thing that I think, the thing that
pushed pushed Schottenheimer over the goal line was the support
from the quarterback. I really do believe. I think that,
you know, when ultimately when you when you sat down,
you had several candidates, you know, you interviewed, you know,
(09:23):
Dak Prescott. It's I think it's no coincidence that Schottenheimer's
four years or tied to the four years of Dak Prescott.
I think there's I think there's no coincidence to that
at all. I think that that's something that they've thought
out and now it's going to be up to Brian
Schottenheimer to hire the type of staff that's you know,
able to you know, there's going to be a lot
(09:45):
of challenges ahead with this roster. There really are going
to be some challenges. So they're going to have to
kind of figure some things out and hopefully with some
of the additions that they're going to make here in
the future, that'll be something positive going forward.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
That's an interesting I actually heard you mentioning similar thing
on the air when you're on one on five dot three,
and I was, you know, sometimes i'll text you, but
I didn't want to text you a million show I
need things to do. But I add a question for
you because I've heard other people say this, Oh, this
is gonna be a rebuild type situation for or they
got a lot of things, they got a hand. And
it made me start wondering, is it as big of
(10:18):
a challenge as as we think, Because I look at
said I thought of it like this. If you take
the roster right now that's in Washington that just got
to that game against the Philadelphia Eagles, and you compare
it player for player to the Cowboys roster, which one
you think is better?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Probably this, I think two years ago the Cowboys roster
was better right now, right now, I don't think it's
a better I don't think it is.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I don't because when I look at it, I look
at it and say, you're not better at quarterback, your
wide receiver. I think you're probably a wash there on
the wide receiver. The offensive line, you know, with the
way it's currently, I mean the defensive line. I think
you know, you look at the defensive tackles, the linebackers.
Your secondary is probably better if all your guys are
healthy right now, right.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
But that's what I guess. When you went through that
offensive line, I would say the Cowboys offensive line is
at least as good, if not better. There was that
wasn't offensive line was They were having some problems, well
they were. Outside of the fact that Jayden Daniels could move,
they would have had a lot more problems.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, that like it. But but what they you know,
they found ways to move the ball, run the ball,
throw the ball, you know, win games. I mean that
your offensive line didn't. So I mean it's listen it
it they you got better as the season went along.
It wasn't good enough. I mean your your leat tackle,
your left tackle, who you drafted, you know, we were
We're so accustomed to plug and play here and and
(11:38):
it didn't. It just didn't plug and play like it should.
You had to put in somebody else. Your right tackle
wasn't good the first six seven weeks of the season.
Your right guard was as a Hall of famer who
the injury and all that, you know, it went went
south on you're really quick. The center was getting experience.
I think he got better as the year. Where your
where your best player is your your left left guard?
(12:01):
And yeah, sure would they absolutely love to have your
left guard. I think so too. We'll see the center.
I mean, you got rid of Beyondis and I wanted
to get rid of Beyondis right.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, I think we all do.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I think we're all wanting to move on. I think
Bibe did. I think Okay, I think BB did some
good things for you this year. But to me, to me,
there's two years ago. I would say. This is why
I say I think Dallas might be worse. And we've
seen that. We saw the and purge is the wrong
word because perge sound like you're getting getting rid of something.
(12:31):
But they had a lot of players that left, you know,
a lot of depth death right a lot of depth,
lot of depth. And this is where I'm pointing the
finger at myself because I'm thinking, oh, they'll be fine.
They lost a lot of depth. I think the same
thing is about to happen. So I think you're about
to lose two years of depth.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And you're factoring that in how fast where they are?
Speaker 7 (12:50):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, I am. I'm looking at the I'm looking at
the fifty three, you know. Yeah, does Dallas have some
you know what I love to have, you know, their
running backs stuff? Yeah? I think Rico. I mean it's
kind of the same kind of you know deal. I mean,
you could you could wash throughout the thing. Yeah. The quarterback,
I think is a different story. And I think the
quarterback is better because he's more mobile. That's that's And
(13:12):
so now you're gonna now you're going to have to
live with Dak Prescott potentially not being as mobile, you know,
I mean, these injuries, we don't we don't know. I mean,
you know, we haven't seen Dak Amberg. As I was asking,
Dak could like to see him use his legs a
little more, like to see, you know, maybe he is
what he is and that and you can win with that.
We seem to Detroit. They don't have a guy that's
(13:32):
running around all over the place. You know, you throw
the ball from the pocket, you can win a lot
of games. But there's one of the reasons why I
think they brought Brian Schottenheimer in here too, is for
dak Is to create an offense where he doesn't have
to be a mobile guy that he could throw from
the pocket. And they have some ways of doing that.
But uh, I just feel like that that Dallas is
going to have another massive loss of OsO diggi zu uh.
(13:59):
You know they prove me wrong, OsO dig Zua Goldstin Lewis.
Just go down the list, there's twenty some odd guys
and they're going to lose. There goes more depth and
are you going to be able to with draft picks
replace Yeah, you're gonna get some help college free agency. Sure,
they love to spend money on college free agents, but
(14:19):
it's going to be about having to go out in
the pro department, and with Will McLay at the helm
of that, they're gonna have to go out and find
more guys like the the Carl Lawson's and guys like
that that played for you at a very high level
because their roster is going to get, in my opinion,
get gutted again because of some of the cap problems
(14:43):
that they have. And I'm not shouldn't say problems, but
the way they've spent their cap they don't have is
enough to keep all those guys in place. Two years ago,
they had them all in place. Two years ago, they
were the second overall seed in the tournament, same position
the Philadelphia Eagles sat in this year, same position that
they sat in this year, and then they didn't get
it done. See that's two years ago. They should have
(15:04):
got it done. They didn't get it done. And now
you're looking uphill at teams I think ahead of you
with you talking about Philadelphia and then also the Commanders.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, I'm if I'm comparing those two, the Cowboys and
the Commanders.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I look at that Commander's team and I really think
outside of the change at quarterback, which I think that's
the biggest key to their quarterback, coach, changing the quarterback,
changing the coach. Frankie Luvu, Doran's armstrong. That's the difference
between Washington this year and Washington last year. That's the difference, right,
And when you look at those players and that coach.
I think ultimately again it comes down really to the
(15:38):
coach and the quarterback and changing that made the difference
for them. Yeah, but going from where they were two
years ago where they were this last year, and that's
that's I guess that's the point I'm making in today's NFL.
In my opinion, there's no such thing as it has
to be a long drawn out rebuild to get back.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
No, No, it really does. It really does.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
We've seen it. We saw with the Chargers this year.
They actually lost players, but because they had a different
coach who had a different mindset, a different game plan,
they actually found themselves in a much better situation than
they were the year before. So I don't know that
it's necessarily that that it has to be a long
drawn out thing. The question is did you hire the
right coach? Does he have the right plan to get
them back to where they were and beyond in a
(16:23):
quick amount of time.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
That's really the key, the key, the real key to this,
and very well spoken on your part. The real key
to is do you have the patients to do this?
Do you have the patience to do it? And I
mean there's going to probably be some bumps along the road,
and is the fan base or is everybody going to
and they don't they don't care what I think? Are
(16:44):
they really you know, I'm I can't say that they care
what the fans thing or But I do believe though
that there's this thing is going to take some patients
and there's going to be some growing pains with the coach,
the head coach, and are you willing to say, Okay, hey,
we're getting better, We'll be fine here. But you know,
that's where I think that that's that's the thing that
kills a lot of programs is folks don't have the
(17:07):
patience to see it through. If it's a two year rebuild,
a three year rebuild. You're right, you could draft and
you can. But the thing that that's interesting and just
about the Commanders new coach quarterback. Look like they've got
that in place, eighty six million dollars in cap space.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
You know, they can build on it.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, they don't have to go play with players that
they got them to the divisional to the championship round.
They don't have to play with some of those guys anymore.
They don't have to play with the nickel corner they had,
they didn't have to play with a safety that they
don't want. They don't have to play with guys because
they could go out. And that's their advantage now for
being so bad, you know, and not re signing a
(17:46):
lot of their own guys and not drafting well enough,
they have cap space. But they hit on the quarterback,
they hit on.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
The coach and.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Now and now they get it. Yeah, they get him cheap.
And so now this is where this I'm just gonna
be real honest with everybody out here. This roster right
here for the Commanders is going to be the worst
roster that quarterback plays with in his career. That's fair
that that roster is only going to get one that
they had in two thousand, the one, the one, the
one that they're playing with right now. That's going to
(18:14):
be the worst roster this kid plays with because they
the cap space. He now we'll see if they could drive.
And they've they've hit on They had a ton of
picks last year. They were at the top of the board.
They hit on some guys, the corner, the quarterback. You know,
they've got some pieces in place, and they did a
good job with signing some guy Frankie Luvu was he
mentioned a great sign for them? So, yeah, this is
going to be probably the worst roster that that quarterback
(18:37):
plays for.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
And then the question becomes can you match that? Yeah,
not only that, but the question becomes for Washington and
their quarterback keep that up because we saw in Houston.
Yeah you're one look great? Yeah too, a little shaky?
Does he is he able to once the league starts
to say, Okay, this is what he likes to do,
this way he doesn't like to do. Does he evolve
his game as well? As we saw that with Dak
and its rookie year. Like his rookie year, everything seemed
(18:59):
to be working really really great, and then the next
year is like not perfect, Like there's no things that
you're gonna have to work on in order to get
better because the league's gonna figure out some things about you.
Are We're gonna take our first break. We will come back.
Let's talk about this, Brian Schottenheimer higher and the press conference.
What you thought about the press conference, anything that may
have stood out to you. We'll be back. Dallas Cowboys
dot Com Radio.
Speaker 8 (19:20):
Todd thought it would be secure to jog in the
Cheatah Savannah Todd believed the big Cat repellent he bought
online was reliable, and now Todd is trying to be
faster than this cheetah that can run eighty miles per hour.
But the good news is Todd has at and T
five G. It is fast, reliable, and secure, and he
learned the best thing to do is stop running and
toss her the backpack with the beef stew At and
(19:41):
T five G. Fast reliable, Secure.
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Five G requires compatable plan and device five G may
not be available in your area.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
See atd dot com Slash five G for you fifty deals.
Speaker 10 (19:50):
It's the official men's skincare brand of the Dallas Cowboys
Jack Black and right now Cowboys fans could get fifteen
percent off their seventy five dollars order, plus because every
deal needs a your order will include a free five
piece skincare set and free shipping. The Jack Black Playmaker
is four of Jack's favorites and a full sized intense
therapy wipball. Make a play for the Playmaker at Getjack
(20:12):
Black dot com slash Cowboys with the code Cowboys vip.
That's get Jack Black dot com slash Cowboys with the
code Cowboys VIP.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Don't put off getting your oil change. Dallas Take five
Oil Change, a proud partner of the Cowboys is faster
than you think.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
They're so fast you don't even have to get out
of your car.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
You can take advantage of Take five's stay in your
car ten minute oil change at any of their locations
across the Dallas area.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
And remember, at Take five you stay in.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Your car because they're faster than you think. That means
you won't even have time to show off your best
touchdown celebration.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Take five the official.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Oil change of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 11 (20:52):
From the field to the festivities. Lu Casey embodies the
essence of luxury and tradition. Handcrafted with meticulous precision, each
pair offers unmatched comfort and style. Stand tall while you're
tailgating or cheering in the stands with the Dallas Cowboys
Collection by lu Casey. Shop the collection today at the
Lucasey store at the Star and Frisco, or online at
(21:13):
lucasey dot com. Lucasey the official boot of the Dallas
Cowboys and Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
How do you tell the world about all the great
gifts in the Yetti store letter Rip Troy all.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Right, folks, let's get started with Yeddi French Press and
Joe Calviy This Day's Hot for Hours and French Press
thirty four as for U sixty four for the cruise
of Yetty French Press Mixed waterproof bags, bags of waterproof
somehersa wa waterproof, Double's waterproof bag bags forts mostly the
waters to get a waterprove Yetti bag, Got smell something cooking?
New cast iron skillets made to be passed down like
Mama's recipes. Take a steak, cornback, comperence pot pie matatoes.
Next ovel with three sizes of the Yetty cast iron skillets.
Speaker 12 (21:44):
Gear gifts and product experts visit the Yetti Store on
McKinney Street and at South lake Town Square.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Today. Back to the break.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
LG o led Evil is the best TV in the game,
but don't take her work for it. Digital Trends said
the lgled G four has the best picture of quality
they've ever seen. See it for yourself at LG dot com.
Slash oled Evil Welcome Back.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It is the second segment of the break Life in
s WVC Mortgage Studios at the Star. The segment brought
to you by blockchain dot Com. All right, let's talk
about Brian schottenheim Er. He had his opening press conference
as new Dallas Cowboys head coach. First, let's just get
some thoughts on that that press conference. Was there anything
that popped out to you about the press conference? Any
impressions that you were left with as you listen to
(22:33):
Brian Schottenheimer or Jerry and Stephen talk during the press conference.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
It's we're talking about it again because we did not
show the emergency. Emergency Oh my goodness, you guys.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Weren't at lunch when it happened.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
No, well, well, there were people that were moving around.
It was like, oh, well, okay, so let's pull everybody
back together. There go, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
No, but.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
To repeat myself a little bit, I loved everything that
I said that I heard from him. He's a very
very likable guy. And if you listen to the whole
press conference, I feel like some people probably didn't even
care to listen to it or stick around through the
whole thing, But if you actually go and watch it,
you're gonna find most likely than not liking the guy
(23:21):
as well, because of the way he speaks and the
kind of compassion and like emotions that he shows again
the support that he had from the players. A few
players showed up, some of the staff members showed up
as well to give support. Dak Prescott was sitting there
to giving him that support as well. And just like
(23:41):
you mentioned, Derek, he was a big part of this
hire as well. So everything was very very beautiful, very
nice and cute and sweet and tears here and there,
and I loved it. But at the same time, we
gotta wait and see what actually happens because this is
a brand new position for him. He's never done this before,
(24:01):
although he has like twenty five years of experience in
the NFL. He had a dad that was very respectable
around and he's grown all his life around that. And
he mentioned in there he feels like this is his moment,
this is the moment for him to come in. And
it helps that there's that continuity. I can never say
(24:22):
that word, but he's been around, he knows everything around
the building and the players. There's that relationship there and
I like the fact. And I said that on that
other show, even though Jerry mentioned that sometimes he bit
his tongue in meetings and things like that. You know,
it gives me the hope that the fact that he
(24:45):
had to bite his tongue and knowing his position at
the time sometimes is not always the right moment or
your place to be talking or saying some things. But
that gives me the hope that he was able to
see things that bother him or that he was not
I'm okay with, and that he has a different vision
that will be better for this team overall and especially
(25:06):
the offense. So I'm eager to see what he brings
to the table, but it's hard to tell at the
moment because he has nothing to show for that because
he's never been in the head coach position. But everyone
supports him, everyone likes him around here, so let's let's
kind of it's one of those that, yeah, you're rooting
for the guy, but you gotta wait and see what
(25:26):
actually happens because there's no history there.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, a couple of things that and Ambar, you're absolutely
right about that. The thing that, yeah, I mean, he
he learned a lesson I didn't learn when I worked here.
He learned to keep his mouth shut, and I didn't
learn that. And that's a problem if you go in
there and you're always fighting, fighting, fighting, you know, for things,
or trying to fight for things. Sometimes you're going to
(25:50):
get in trouble doing that. You're going to be considered
as like, Okay, why am I always fighting with this guy?
And you know, and that that has to be your
hope if you're a Cowboy fan, that you know there
was some things that he saw. Now what makes me
feel worse about it is the fact that maybe that
Mike McCarthy and again this is just a thought if
he's biting his lip talking about things, did were there
things that Mike just completely dismissed. Were their ideas that
(26:13):
Schottenheimer had during the season and Mike, and this is
not Pylon Mike time. I mean, I'm just saying when
somebody says something, when the general manager says, bite his lip,
I'm thinking, Okay, there's some ideas that he had. There
were times when the Jones family were watching tape with
the coaches and they asked a question of why this,
(26:35):
why this? And you know and there and really Mike
gave an answer. And in other words, Schottenheimer might have
been sitting there and thinking, yeah, we could have done
this differently. We could have thought about Dutt the dut
dut the dut and then you know, but then he
bit his tongue, bit his you know lip, whatever you
want to you're not going to show his boss exactly exactly.
(26:56):
And so but it makes me, It makes me ill
if I was working in the front office and one
of our coaches had an idea or maybe to make
us better, but he was dismissed. And it got to
the point where he was dismissed that he couldn't say
something that should hurt you in your soul, you know
about that. It was not pylon on Mike McCarthy, but
(27:20):
was he so just no, no, no, that it made
other coaches not want to be that way, you know,
want to step up and say, like I did in scouting,
Hey we need to sign this guy. Brian, sit down
and shut up. You know I've heard that, so you know,
he learned I didn't. He obviously closed his door, took
(27:43):
down his notes, and this is where it circled back
for him. This is why a guy like that gets
this job, because he remembers all the days of sitting
in that meeting and watching Jerry and Steven go, now,
why are we doing this? What's tell me why what
was the thought here, why are we trying to block what?
And then you know, and then then what what shot?
(28:05):
He's able to do as he walks into remember the
time against Atlanta when we were trying to throw the
ball and we couldn't really you know what I'm saying.
He's able to go back and remind the Joneses of
all the things that he thought they could have changed
and got better. And that's why I think he got
this job, because him being in the building and knowing
(28:26):
and kind of having an understanding of how this all works.
And I'm not just talking about how the team work.
I'm talking about what was going on in the coaching
staff this year. You know, when you keep your mouth shut,
you know you're you're, you're you can and you're given
a chance to unload, you will do it.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
But you know I will say this too, it and again,
and I want to be clear, just like you said,
is it it's not day? Because no, I think Mike
McCarthy was a good coach here.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
He was.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
He was good, he was, But I do it made
me question as I heard that. It made me question
the kind of culture that had been created there. Because
if you ever have a situation in a work environment
where people feel like they can't really be transparent about
what they're thinking and feeling. That says to me the
culture isn't a true collaborative environment. And you want a
true collaborative environment and all that all with Will McClay
(29:14):
just talked about, right, So if you got a if
you got a coach who is the offensive coordinator that's
having to bite his tongue with the head coach. Cause
my assumption it wasn't biting his chung with Jerry, because
Jerry said if it was fighting his tongue with him,
it says to me that maybe the culture wasn't one
that valued the opinions everybody on on the staff to
feel free to be able to say, hey, man, I
(29:35):
disagree with this. I think this is a better way
to do it, and people would actually listen and say,
you know what, let's get that a try, and then
you go back and try to marry that up with
the results. And it makes me say, we remember twenty
twenty three and remember how it was going in the
first part of season. If we remember about the conversations
that were having across the hall meetings that happened in
that bye week and then the changes that were made,
(29:56):
and we didn't see that in twenty twenty four, and
that's we're left to make some assumptions here. But it
does make me question what was the culture among the
coaches for him not to feel like he could speak
up and say this is where I think we should
be doing whatever.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
I share that sentiment with you guys as well, but
just and not to justify this, but just to give
a different perspective as human nature. You look at the
way that Green Bay game ended. There's so much pressure
on you. This is your last year on your contract.
So with him calling the place, I feel like, maybe,
(30:34):
and I'm just saying, maybe you go into this mode
where you feel like you have to take everything, like
you have more control of your destiny, just listening and
worrying about yourself and you think you can figure it
out by yourself. And maybe that because of the pressure
that that year brought, the last year and all of
that and what you're trying to do, it prevented him.
(30:56):
And maybe he wasn't doing it on purpose, but maybe
that prevented him to allowing other opinions to come in
and just be like, no, I know what I got
to do, I know how to do it, and like
try to do it himself. That's just something that maybe
that year was unique in that way where it maybe
it prevented some of those opinions to come through.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Most times. I would agree with you on that. That's
a selfish play on Mike McCarthy's part if he did that,
because the rest of his coaches were on one year
deals too, this should have been it's us again.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
This is not what happened.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I'm just I'm just but yeah, we're just but I'm
I'm just saying that's very selfish on Mike McCarthy's part, if,
in fact, was if he takes on all the thing
like I'm going to do it my way because if
I get fired, I'm going out on my own. You know,
that's very selfish way of looking at things, especially when
you have all your other coaches on you know, it
should be hey, guys, listen, they really don't believe in
(31:50):
us right now, Okay, we got to find a way
to pull this thing together. Ideas ideas ideas. You know,
that's where it should have been. Hey, we're going to
survive this together. We're not going to and we're not
going to let it just fall on me. Yeah, ultimately
he is the head coach and yeah, but everybody else
in that room was on one year deals too.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
And also you made him your coordinator yourself like that.
You know, you brought him into the staff for a reason.
So it's it's I mean, at this point, we just
got to look forward to the future. But it's a
lot of things, and I agree with you it's definitely
selfish in that way if that was the case. But
always remember just a humans. Yeah, we're all humans too,
(32:33):
and things like that come into naturation.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, if our show here relied on us, we're all
on one year deals, and but I'm going to take
over the show because I don't think Derek's doing a
good job. And you know that kind of thing that's
selfish on me, you know, because it's really it's all
of us. We're all we're either going to survive it,
because at the end of it, when you if you
do survive it, it's even you just kind of bring
(33:00):
everybody together and now you work on other things and
but if it, if it falls apart, then you can
look at each other. Guys, we did the best we could,
it just wasn't good enough, and you walk out of
here heads high and that that way instead of, you know,
a coach having to feel like like Derek's talking about,
with the culture, you never want working with him, working
(33:21):
with you. Derek, I always felt like I could walk
in and tell you how fed up something was and
you would listen, But then you would tell me like, hey,
but you got to think about it this way. But
at least you gave me the opportunity to maybe make change,
you know, And that is there a reason Well no,
I mean, but that's but that you have to be
able to Always we always laugh when somebody I have
an open door policy. When you really have an open
(33:44):
door policy, you get things done because people feel responsible
for how the product looks, you know. And so Mike
took if he took it on thinking hey, I'm going
to go out my way, then then shame on him
for that.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Well we'll say that. If there's one thing about that
press conference that made me have some hope that this
thing can work is when I heard him talk about
what his specific traits are and what he brings to
the job. He talked about words like he's a collaborative guy.
He is a guy it's going to be all They
love that him talking about how good of communicator he is,
and we've heard that from other people around the building,
(34:21):
how good of a communicator is. He's a bridge builder,
he brings people together. Like when you start talking about
all those things have nothing whatsoever to do with x's
and o's. That's a whole different ballgame, right, But sometimes
I think what gets lost in looking for a head
coach are these skills, Because these skills are about leadership
and leading those men into a game and ultimate leading
(34:42):
them to victory. It's about more than just the x's
and o's. It has a lot to do with all
these other things and building that cohesive culture. Everybody feels
like they're heard, everybody's contributing, and then everybody has a
part in it. Right when you make sure that everybody's
being heard, now they have a vested interest in really
seeing it through because they know their boy is a
part of that as well. And so I love that
about it. We'll see if the x's and o's work,
(35:04):
will see if he ends up being a great head coach.
I don't think anybody really knows right now, but It
certainly gave me some hope listening to him during that
press conference. All Right, we're gonna take our final break.
We'll come back talk about some assistants who have been
hired here over the last couple of days, or that
when we come back. Dallas Cowboys dot com Radio.
Speaker 12 (35:21):
If you can't be at the stadium, there's no better
way to watch your Cowboys than on an lg O
lead Evo TV. That's because everything you see is more lifelike,
every play, every hit. I mean, you might just will
be on the sidelines.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
That's how clear it is.
Speaker 12 (35:35):
It's all thanks to LG's legendary technology, perfect black, over
eight point three million self lit pixels.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
No one comes close.
Speaker 12 (35:43):
LGO led Evo is the best TV in the game
for a reason. See for yourself at LG dot com
slash o Leedevo.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
They say champions are remembered, but legends are never forgotten.
United Agen Turf offers a winning lineup of John Dear
equipment built to tackle an each other lenge on and
off the field. Legendary John Deere Tractors combines residential mowers,
commercial mowers, compact construction equipment, cater utility vehicles and a
full line of golf and sports turf equipment. United Agon
(36:13):
Turf the official Agon turf equipment supplier of the Dallas Cowboys.
Visit United Dagonturf dot com to find a location near you.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
If you shout how about them Cowboys? You have that
undeniable passion that's the heart of Cowboys Nation. And if
you like to drink Doctor Pepper, you love the unique
blend of its twenty three flavors. Together, you're one of
a kind fandom paired with the one of a kind
taste of a delicious ice cold Doctor Pepper is the
game day lineup that can't be beat better yet, Gather
your Cowboys and Doctor Pepper fan friends to watch the
(36:43):
next game and crack open a delicious ice cold Doctor
Pepper for everyone.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
The wins will be even tastier.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
It's a pepper thing, and we're going to overtime. Erica,
how much have I spent on Concessions?
Speaker 13 (36:55):
For questions about their money, Dallas Cowboys fans can turn
to Erica, the virtual financial assistant in the Bank of
America mobile banking app. Learn more at Bankfamerica dot com.
Slash Erica by your side, Bank of America Official Bank
of the Dallas Cowboys. Erica responses may very digital tools
featured required downloading the mobile banking app and may only
be available on select mobile devices. Erica is a mobile
feature only available in the English language. Your chap may be
(37:15):
recorded and monitored for quality assurance. Message data rates and
additional terms may apply. Bank of America and a member FDIC.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
Todd thought it would be secure to jog in the
Cheatah Savannah. Todd believed the big Cat repellent he bought
online was reliable, and now Todd is trying to be
faster than this cheetah that can run eighty miles per hour.
But the good news is Todd has AT and T
five G. It is fast, reliable, and secure, and he
learned the best thing to do is stop running and
toss her the backpack with the beef stew At and
(37:40):
T five G. Fast reliable, Secure.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Five G requires compatible plan and device five G may
not be available in your area. See add dot com
slash five G for you for details.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Back to the break.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
At and T Connecting changes everything.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Welcome back. Final segment of the break Life in that
s WBC Mortgage Studios. Here at the star. Let's talk
about some assistants who have been hired. A new defensive
coordinator who is a god's been here before guy that
we're familiar with. Matt Eberflus joins his staff. Give me
your thoughts on the higher I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Uh you know, knowing flues for when I was with
you guys with Dallas Cowboys dot Com. When he came in,
we remember him part of the Rob Ryan administration.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
And then my backs coach.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, when Rob left, Uh then Rod Marinelli took over,
and you know, or was said Monty Kiffin was it
was Rod Marinelli.
Speaker 7 (38:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I don't think Kiffin was a defense yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Never, but but yeah, but he was what do you hear?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Was? Yeah you should know.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, on your lap, my shoulder, I was typing, got beat,
got beating Kansas City. I'm typing a report like a
right Mani's defense played well. I I was just kept
typing and I didn't care. Uh but yeah, he uh so,
But yeah, he Flus was part of that. He was
(39:07):
kind of a holdover guy. So he was like initially
an odd front or three four front guy, and then
he came in and he you know, worked with Rod
and Rod really really really liked him, and so then
he started to learning some of the four to three principles,
the stuff the Tampa two stuff that was made famous
by that crew, and and so he but he's kind
of developed that as his repertoire.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
You know, that's he's gonna be a four man front.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
He's gonna be a four man front, and and so Yeah,
and but everywhere he's been, it's been he creates turnovers. Uh,
his teams have always been really good scoring defense wise.
You know, there's things like that, to me, is he
going to gamble as much as say we saw from
Zimmer You know.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Probably not as far as blitzing.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Blitzing and things like that. But he's but he's a
really really really sound coach and very respected around the league.
Talking to some offensive coordinators that I know, they're like, listen,
hard guy to prepare for, because he's going to put
up He's going to take things away from you. And
so you know that's going to be the challenge I
this defense. You know, will see how the draft works.
(40:12):
I have a feeling you're going to see a lot
of these players for the twenty twenty five season. Defensive
starters that are going to be young players. I mean
rookie players, second year players, you know, when it's a
shame you don't have the overshowns and people like that.
But they need Carson to play well. They're gonna need
some guys to really really step up. And that's gonna
be the challenge because sometimes you get a coaching change
(40:36):
and the defense is a veteran defense. This is going
to be a new coach with a lot of different personnel.
The guys you're going to have Micah Hooker, Wilson Diggs
is not going to play probably the early part of
the season, so you're gonna have to kind of figure out.
But a lot of young guys are going to have
(40:57):
to play on this defense. So Leah felt, Yes, so
that's that's kind of where are the young guy? Yeah,
and then plus plus whatever defensive tackles you Drab Mazie,
whatever defensive tackles or edges or linebackers or safeties or corners,
I mean, take your pick. You could you could help
this defense in a lot of different ways. So new
coordinator likely a big, big, big turnover on defense. When
(41:20):
we get to Oxnart, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:22):
Huge change. But I like his repertoire he has. He's
been top ten in the top ten and takeaways in
the in six of the seven years that he was
as defensive coordinators, so that's a huge thing. And also
one of the other things that he's been known for
(41:44):
is being able to stop the run. And that's something
that the Cowboys, you know, we all consistently talk about
that you need to be able to stop the run.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
So that wasn't always a money that wasn't always a
Rod Marinelli thing that was always run up the field
and get gashed, you know kind of thing.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
But when you talk about him and look about him
and look him up, those are the two things that
pop out, is just the takeaways and defending the runs.
So two huge things that you definitely want to see
in your defense. But like you're you said, Brian, I
think it's gonna be potentially challenging at the beginning trying
to get everyone on the same page because of the
(42:20):
moving targets that you have, all the guys that are
coming back from injury, then acquiring whoever you're gonna get
during free agency, figuring that out, and then the younger
talent trying to get everyone on the same page. And
pace so. But but I have I'm sad to see
simm ergo because I did want to see a second
(42:42):
year from him. But at the same time, I think
this guy seems to be a good hire for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
The interesting thing is, you guys, it's gonna be the
third year now that the defense will be having a new,
new system, and that that's always something you keep in eye.
It's one of the things I think why the Jones
always talk about continuity, because it is hard when you're made.
We saw it last year at the beginning of the
year for the defense. As the season one, they got better,
but at the beginning of the season it was tough.
And it's tough to get a defense moving in a
(43:09):
different direction, doing different things when you're asking them to
different things and figuring out who's capable of doing those
different things and who's not, and then trying to make
the defense kind of morph around them in that way.
So we'll see how that goes. Let's real quick before
we end the show. Nick Sorenson added as a special
teams coach. Yeah, what do we know about him?
Speaker 3 (43:25):
All right? Talk to my gang of seven guys. There's
several of my guys, general managers, people like that player
personal guys that have worked with this guy. So it's
kind of it helped me a lot. Earlier you said
about about Brian Schottenheimer being a people person something he
takes a lot of pride in something a trade. He
talks about his ability to connect with people. When I
(43:45):
asked people about Nick Sorenson, they you know, he was
a first year coordinator defensive coordinator with the forty nine ers.
It didn't go well. They struggled with health that the
team just you know, the offense they didn't it just
was not good enough. And he he he took the
he felt he fell on the sword for that one.
For their you know, somebody had to go and they
(44:06):
moved on. But they didn't want him to leave the organization.
They were willing to kind of put him in another
spot and keep him around. They felt that much. They
liked him that much. But everybody that I talked to
about him was talking about what a what a good
coach he really is. And you got to be able
to you got to be able to connect. And that
was one of the things that my guys were telling me, goes,
(44:26):
this guy will come into a room and he goes.
The front office will love him, the players will love
him because his ability to interact and connect with people.
And as a special teams coach, you have to be able.
You're coaching the whole team. You know, you're not just
coaching a position. You're coaching the field goal block, the
field goal team, the punt, the punt return, the kickoff return,
the kick you're coaching at all. So you have to
(44:48):
interact with all fifty three players. So for for this
guy to come in and I heard nothing but positive
things about him, and but that the negative things were that, like,
hey might have been a little bit over his head
on the defensive.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
And that was his first time, and that's his first
special teams coordinator exactly.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
They took a chance that maybe this guy could be it.
He but everything about him as a coach, as a
person and as a person that connects with other people.
And I think that's what Brian Schottenheimer's trying to do.
I think he's going to try and build a staff
of guys or gals that connect with the team and
that they can have that as they go through these things.
(45:27):
So very very positive about him in that regard, positive
him about a coach and and but the negative was
probably over his head when it came to the defensive
coordinator stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
He won't be doing here.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
He won't be doing here.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
All right, that's a wrap. We will be back next week.
I think maybe we'll be at a point where we
would be done with all the breaking news and we
might actually be able.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
To I might not be doing with you.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Oh yeah, you're not with us. You've got super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
I'm at the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Least you know what, we might actually call you up,
see if you can give us a little ring, and
maybe we'll pull you in for a fele minutes and
I'll be happy what's going on out there. Hopefully you'll
you won't get a y'all won't get too crazy. I
know y'all's crew, y'all get a little wild out there.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
But I know the police in that city.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Good. That's perfect. That's a good thing. That's a good thing.
Let me know. The wife has the barcards. You can
always come help you.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
All right, We're gonna we appreciate you, guys. Jones. We'll
be back next week for Amber Garcia. Brian brought us
some Derek Eagleton. This has been the Break live on
Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Cowboys Let's go.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Are you ready for a break?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Are you ready for a break?
Speaker 5 (00:20):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Ready for a break?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, and so much for that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Nick Harris, and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It is Wednesday, January twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty,
episode number one oh one. Welcome to the latest edition
of The Break. We are live from thats WBC Mortgage
Studios at the Star. We are presented by LG. LG
is the world's number one o laed TV brand for
eleven years in counting. See why at LG dot com
forward slash o leed Ebo. It is a crazy week
(00:59):
around here at the Star. A lot going on, more
happening this morning. We're going to get you caught up
on all that, give you our thoughts on all the
things that have transpired from the world of coaching here
at the Star over the last several days. Let's start
first with the news that broke here this morning before
we went on the air. Will McClay, vice president of
player Personnel, has been signed to a multi year extension.
(01:22):
My question for you guys, I'll say I've been on
the record as saying even throughout last season that the
most important signing the Cowboys needed to make this offseason
was Will McClay based on how they do business. If
you're not going to be as active in free agency,
then it is imperative that you hit on the draft.
And I think looking at his record, everything isn't perfect,
(01:45):
which you know, Brian, in the scouting world, there is
no such thing as perfect, but he's as close to
it as I think you can get in the NFL.
And if you're going to rely on that, I think
you got to have Will McClay. What's your thought on
the resigning.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Will McLay is a huge part of what the Dallas
Cowboys do overall. When you look at personnel, and and
I've talked with Will about this before, is the he
likes to call it the triangle, where you know, he
feels like he's in the middle of the triangle. And
when you you have the Jones family at the top,
the coach is on one side and the scouts on
the other, then Will has to navigate. You have to
(02:18):
be almost a almost a diplomat when you're when you're
in that chair with the Dallas Cowboys. You know, others
I've worked with, I've seen, you know, with Larry Lacewell
and how he's you know, he was a guy that
people could come into his office, close the door, talk
to him, make feelings feel better, you know, encourage. You know,
that's something you have to be able to do. It
takes a special person to navigate the triangle because somebody's
(02:41):
always mad at you somebody. The coaches feel like the
scouts are messing them over. The scouts are mad at
the Jones is because they're they're they're they're taking time
off to do something else. And you know, I mean,
everybody's always mad at somebody, you know. And and so
that's where Will does a great job of making sure
that come to a consensus the way their boards set,
(03:02):
that everybody in that room feels good about the pick.
You know, your feelings are going to get hurt. Will
does a good job of saying, hey, listen that there'll
be other battles to fight. You know, we'll fight, you
will fight another time.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Here's where we need to we need your help here.
So it's really it's really like anything like in government
where they where the majority whip stands up there and
gets everybody riled up, and then you have others that
kind of get the votes, you know, uh together and
stuff and and but it's very important. And he's a
very good evaluator. He is an outstanding evaluator. He knows
the division. He's built teams uh that have been capable,
(03:36):
that have won the division. They just got to get
over the hump of getting that team that built to
win the conference. That's the thing that they have to
do right now. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
He he has the right kind of personality to be
on that side of the building and deal with the
people that he deals with. He has really good relationships
and he's been here for forever now, it feels like.
But he's shown that he's done a great job. I
still give him crap though about that Rico gathers one.
But you know, you got to keep people humble around here. No,
(04:08):
he's shown like he the work that he's done speaks
for him for itself. So he has a great history
and even and when you talk about the free agency
and the lack of money to spend because of the cap.
You talk about developing talent and and the ability that
they've had. Of course they've had misses. But when you
(04:29):
look at undrafted free agents, when you look at even
those late round picks, that sometimes they are able to
find gold in those late rounds, and and that's not
always very easy to do. That's a big gamble. And
I think they've hit more than they've missed.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, a lot of their cap has gone to resign
some of their guys. That's you know, and and and
you don't a lot if you don't resign your guys, if
you don't draft them, that's something that's really really really
big here, you know, got wrong on Yeah, And I'll
be interested to see though, because Steven Jones talked about
things that they might need to do differently in free agency,
and you wonder if that is in fact to be about.
(05:09):
Is will going to have have to navigate? Listen, maybe
we're not going to re sign some of our own,
Maybe we're going to let some of our own walk
and then look at some other you know, your money,
it's when it goes somewhere, it's going to go to
your own players or someone else's players. I just wonder
if Will is going to have to navigate something new,
if that's a change that they're going to make.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I'm gonna throw this thought out to you guys,
and I'm interested to hear what you think. It's just
my own personal opinion, But the fact that this happens
today with Will getting the new deal, it says to
me that the hiring that has happened before this Brian
Schottenheimer I think was also important part of retaining Will.
(05:49):
I think that a lot of things that the Cowboys
have done here are about making sure they create the
right environment for Will to want to be here, because
I do think Will has lots of options. Let's be clear,
there are lots of teams out there that I think
would be very happy to have Will McLay heading their
personnel department. That being said, I think that a lot
of this, at the very least, he was good with
(06:09):
the decision, if not even more involved in that decision.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, no, and that's where I mean we'll even mentioned it.
I believe you got caught up with him at the
Senior Bowl yesterday, and very good work by your guys.
Down there to get that done. You know, he was
talking about being part of the interviewing process, you know,
with something is and that's something that every general manager
goes through. You know, you want to be able to
you know, being a part of the process will make
(06:33):
you probably even a better general manager down the road
because you're now the experiences, the questions, the reactions. You
want to see the reaction of the guy or gal
that you're interviewing and and and see how they respond
and that helps you. So yeah, I think the Cowboys
are doing more things for Will to try and you know,
maybe we'll see a change so soon when it comes
(06:56):
to and when it comes to how much more authority
or power Will McLay has in what the daily decisions
are with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
He's a very respectable voice around here, and even for
the Jones I mean Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones, they
respect him a whole lot. And hearing what he said
during the over there, him saying that he was part
of the process. Just hearing that comment, it doesn't really
change much, but it's like a plus sign that you
(07:26):
feel like, oh, okay, it's good to hear that he
was on board with it and involved in that process,
and that tells you a lot. And we've heard and
I know his son is about to be out of
high school and go to college, and it was a
big milestone where this could open up the opportunity for
(07:48):
him to go somewhere else and potentially be a GM
and he's very much capable of doing that, and he's
kind of people think Jerry Jones does absolutely everything around here,
and it's not like that he has a group of
people around him that helps help him make a lot
of those decisions. So I think he It makes me
(08:12):
feel a little bit better to hear that he was
involved in those things because of the respect that I
have for him as well.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, it's starting to make me feel a lot more
like this decision was. You know, whatever everybody thinks of
the process or whatever, it does make me think that
this was a well thought out decision just from the
standpoint of all the people that were involved in it
that ultimately felt good about this decision. And I think
when you're talking about a team, there is there is
something to have having buy in from the quarterback. There
(08:40):
is something having buy in from the guy who heads
up personnel, like those voices will also be the same
voices that you don't want, Brian. You know how this
world goes. You don't want to be months into the
season and you got these these folks being like, yeah,
I don't know what he's doing, Like you know what
I'm saying. So I think there is something to that
that buy in that comes from from those folks, because
those are people that primary going to have to deal
(09:01):
with this guy the most.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
No, you're right about that, that you know the buy
and I think, to be honest with you, I think
the most important thing that I think, the thing that
pushed pushed Schottenheimer over the goal line was the support
from the quarterback. I really do believe. I think that,
you know, when ultimately when you when you sat down,
you had several candidates, you know, you interviewed, you know,
(09:23):
Dak Prescott. It's I think it's no coincidence that Schottenheimer's
four years or tied to the four years of Dak Prescott.
I think there's I think there's no coincidence to that
at all. I think that that's something that they've thought
out and now it's going to be up to Brian
Schottenheimer to hire the type of staff that's you know,
able to you know, there's going to be a lot
(09:45):
of challenges ahead with this roster. There really are going
to be some challenges. So they're going to have to
kind of figure some things out and hopefully with some
of the additions that they're going to make here in
the future, that'll be something positive going forward.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
That's an interesting I actually heard you mentioning similar thing
on the air when you're on one on five dot three,
and I was, you know, sometimes i'll text you, but
I didn't want to text you a million show I
need things to do. But I add a question for
you because I've heard other people say this, Oh, this
is gonna be a rebuild type situation for or they
got a lot of things, they got a hand. And
it made me start wondering, is it as big of
(10:18):
a challenge as as we think, Because I look at
said I thought of it like this. If you take
the roster right now that's in Washington that just got
to that game against the Philadelphia Eagles, and you compare
it player for player to the Cowboys roster, which one
you think is better?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Probably this, I think two years ago the Cowboys roster
was better right now, right now, I don't think it's
a better I don't think it is.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I don't because when I look at it, I look
at it and say, you're not better at quarterback, your
wide receiver. I think you're probably a wash there on
the wide receiver. The offensive line, you know, with the
way it's currently, I mean the defensive line. I think
you know, you look at the defensive tackles, the linebackers.
Your secondary is probably better if all your guys are
healthy right now, right.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
But that's what I guess. When you went through that
offensive line, I would say the Cowboys offensive line is
at least as good, if not better. There was that
wasn't offensive line was They were having some problems, well
they were. Outside of the fact that Jayden Daniels could move,
they would have had a lot more problems.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, that like it. But but what they you know,
they found ways to move the ball, run the ball,
throw the ball, you know, win games. I mean that
your offensive line didn't. So I mean it's listen it
it they you got better as the season went along.
It wasn't good enough. I mean your your leat tackle,
your left tackle, who you drafted, you know, we were
We're so accustomed to plug and play here and and
(11:38):
it didn't. It just didn't plug and play like it should.
You had to put in somebody else. Your right tackle
wasn't good the first six seven weeks of the season.
Your right guard was as a Hall of famer who
the injury and all that, you know, it went went
south on you're really quick. The center was getting experience.
I think he got better as the year. Where your
where your best player is your your left left guard?
(12:01):
And yeah, sure would they absolutely love to have your
left guard. I think so too. We'll see the center.
I mean, you got rid of Beyondis and I wanted
to get rid of Beyondis right.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, I think we all do.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I think we're all wanting to move on. I think
Bibe did. I think Okay, I think BB did some
good things for you this year. But to me, to me,
there's two years ago. I would say. This is why
I say I think Dallas might be worse. And we've
seen that. We saw the and purge is the wrong
word because perge sound like you're getting getting rid of something.
(12:31):
But they had a lot of players that left, you know,
a lot of depth death right a lot of depth,
lot of depth. And this is where I'm pointing the
finger at myself because I'm thinking, oh, they'll be fine.
They lost a lot of depth. I think the same
thing is about to happen. So I think you're about
to lose two years of depth.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And you're factoring that in how fast where they are?
Speaker 7 (12:50):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, I am. I'm looking at the I'm looking at
the fifty three, you know. Yeah, does Dallas have some
you know what I love to have, you know, their
running backs stuff? Yeah? I think Rico. I mean it's
kind of the same kind of you know deal. I mean,
you could you could wash throughout the thing. Yeah. The quarterback,
I think is a different story. And I think the
quarterback is better because he's more mobile. That's that's And
(13:12):
so now you're gonna now you're going to have to
live with Dak Prescott potentially not being as mobile, you know,
I mean, these injuries, we don't we don't know. I mean,
you know, we haven't seen Dak Amberg. As I was asking,
Dak could like to see him use his legs a
little more, like to see, you know, maybe he is
what he is and that and you can win with that.
We seem to Detroit. They don't have a guy that's
(13:32):
running around all over the place. You know, you throw
the ball from the pocket, you can win a lot
of games. But there's one of the reasons why I
think they brought Brian Schottenheimer in here too, is for
dak Is to create an offense where he doesn't have
to be a mobile guy that he could throw from
the pocket. And they have some ways of doing that.
But uh, I just feel like that that Dallas is
going to have another massive loss of OsO diggi zu uh.
(13:59):
You know they prove me wrong, OsO dig Zua Goldstin Lewis.
Just go down the list, there's twenty some odd guys
and they're going to lose. There goes more depth and
are you going to be able to with draft picks
replace Yeah, you're gonna get some help college free agency. Sure,
they love to spend money on college free agents, but
(14:19):
it's going to be about having to go out in
the pro department, and with Will McLay at the helm
of that, they're gonna have to go out and find
more guys like the the Carl Lawson's and guys like
that that played for you at a very high level
because their roster is going to get, in my opinion,
get gutted again because of some of the cap problems
(14:43):
that they have. And I'm not shouldn't say problems, but
the way they've spent their cap they don't have is
enough to keep all those guys in place. Two years ago,
they had them all in place. Two years ago, they
were the second overall seed in the tournament, same position
the Philadelphia Eagles sat in this year, same position that
they sat in this year, and then they didn't get
it done. See that's two years ago. They should have
(15:04):
got it done. They didn't get it done. And now
you're looking uphill at teams I think ahead of you
with you talking about Philadelphia and then also the Commanders.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, I'm if I'm comparing those two, the Cowboys and
the Commanders.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I look at that Commander's team and I really think
outside of the change at quarterback, which I think that's
the biggest key to their quarterback, coach, changing the quarterback,
changing the coach. Frankie Luvu, Doran's armstrong. That's the difference
between Washington this year and Washington last year. That's the difference, right,
And when you look at those players and that coach.
I think ultimately again it comes down really to the
(15:38):
coach and the quarterback and changing that made the difference
for them. Yeah, but going from where they were two
years ago where they were this last year, and that's
that's I guess that's the point I'm making in today's NFL.
In my opinion, there's no such thing as it has
to be a long drawn out rebuild to get back.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
No, No, it really does. It really does.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
We've seen it. We saw with the Chargers this year.
They actually lost players, but because they had a different
coach who had a different mindset, a different game plan,
they actually found themselves in a much better situation than
they were the year before. So I don't know that
it's necessarily that that it has to be a long
drawn out thing. The question is did you hire the
right coach? Does he have the right plan to get
them back to where they were and beyond in a
(16:23):
quick amount of time.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
That's really the key, the key, the real key to this,
and very well spoken on your part. The real key
to is do you have the patients to do this?
Do you have the patience to do it? And I
mean there's going to probably be some bumps along the road,
and is the fan base or is everybody going to
and they don't they don't care what I think? Are
(16:44):
they really you know, I'm I can't say that they care
what the fans thing or But I do believe though
that there's this thing is going to take some patients
and there's going to be some growing pains with the coach,
the head coach, and are you willing to say, Okay, hey,
we're getting better, We'll be fine here. But you know,
that's where I think that that's that's the thing that
kills a lot of programs is folks don't have the
(17:07):
patience to see it through. If it's a two year rebuild,
a three year rebuild. You're right, you could draft and
you can. But the thing that that's interesting and just
about the Commanders new coach quarterback. Look like they've got
that in place, eighty six million dollars in cap space.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
You know, they can build on it.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, they don't have to go play with players that
they got them to the divisional to the championship round.
They don't have to play with some of those guys anymore.
They don't have to play with the nickel corner they had,
they didn't have to play with a safety that they
don't want. They don't have to play with guys because
they could go out. And that's their advantage now for
being so bad, you know, and not re signing a
(17:46):
lot of their own guys and not drafting well enough,
they have cap space. But they hit on the quarterback,
they hit on.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
The coach and.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Now and now they get it. Yeah, they get him cheap.
And so now this is where this I'm just gonna
be real honest with everybody out here. This roster right
here for the Commanders is going to be the worst
roster that quarterback plays with in his career. That's fair
that that roster is only going to get one that
they had in two thousand, the one, the one, the
one that they're playing with right now. That's going to
(18:14):
be the worst roster this kid plays with because they
the cap space. He now we'll see if they could drive.
And they've they've hit on They had a ton of
picks last year. They were at the top of the board.
They hit on some guys, the corner, the quarterback. You know,
they've got some pieces in place, and they did a
good job with signing some guy Frankie Luvu was he
mentioned a great sign for them? So, yeah, this is
going to be probably the worst roster that that quarterback
(18:37):
plays for.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
And then the question becomes can you match that? Yeah,
not only that, but the question becomes for Washington and
their quarterback keep that up because we saw in Houston.
Yeah you're one look great? Yeah too, a little shaky?
Does he is he able to once the league starts
to say, Okay, this is what he likes to do,
this way he doesn't like to do. Does he evolve
his game as well? As we saw that with Dak
and its rookie year. Like his rookie year, everything seemed
(18:59):
to be working really really great, and then the next
year is like not perfect, Like there's no things that
you're gonna have to work on in order to get
better because the league's gonna figure out some things about you.
Are We're gonna take our first break. We will come back.
Let's talk about this, Brian Schottenheimer higher and the press conference.
What you thought about the press conference, anything that may
have stood out to you. We'll be back. Dallas Cowboys
dot Com Radio.
Speaker 8 (19:20):
Todd thought it would be secure to jog in the
Cheatah Savannah Todd believed the big Cat repellent he bought
online was reliable, and now Todd is trying to be
faster than this cheetah that can run eighty miles per hour.
But the good news is Todd has at and T
five G. It is fast, reliable, and secure, and he
learned the best thing to do is stop running and
toss her the backpack with the beef stew At and
(19:41):
T five G. Fast reliable, Secure.
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Five G requires compatable plan and device five G may
not be available in your area.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
See atd dot com Slash five G for you fifty deals.
Speaker 10 (19:50):
It's the official men's skincare brand of the Dallas Cowboys
Jack Black and right now Cowboys fans could get fifteen
percent off their seventy five dollars order, plus because every
deal needs a your order will include a free five
piece skincare set and free shipping. The Jack Black Playmaker
is four of Jack's favorites and a full sized intense
therapy wipball. Make a play for the Playmaker at Getjack
(20:12):
Black dot com slash Cowboys with the code Cowboys vip.
That's get Jack Black dot com slash Cowboys with the
code Cowboys VIP.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Don't put off getting your oil change. Dallas Take five
Oil Change, a proud partner of the Cowboys is faster
than you think.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
They're so fast you don't even have to get out
of your car.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
You can take advantage of Take five's stay in your
car ten minute oil change at any of their locations
across the Dallas area.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
And remember, at Take five you stay in.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Your car because they're faster than you think. That means
you won't even have time to show off your best
touchdown celebration.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Take five the official.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Oil change of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 11 (20:52):
From the field to the festivities. Lu Casey embodies the
essence of luxury and tradition. Handcrafted with meticulous precision, each
pair offers unmatched comfort and style. Stand tall while you're
tailgating or cheering in the stands with the Dallas Cowboys
Collection by lu Casey. Shop the collection today at the
Lucasey store at the Star and Frisco, or online at
(21:13):
lucasey dot com. Lucasey the official boot of the Dallas
Cowboys and Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
How do you tell the world about all the great
gifts in the Yetti store letter Rip Troy all.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Right, folks, let's get started with Yeddi French Press and
Joe Calviy This Day's Hot for Hours and French Press
thirty four as for U sixty four for the cruise
of Yetty French Press Mixed waterproof bags, bags of waterproof
somehersa wa waterproof, Double's waterproof bag bags forts mostly the
waters to get a waterprove Yetti bag, Got smell something cooking?
New cast iron skillets made to be passed down like
Mama's recipes. Take a steak, cornback, comperence pot pie matatoes.
Next ovel with three sizes of the Yetty cast iron skillets.
Speaker 12 (21:44):
Gear gifts and product experts visit the Yetti Store on
McKinney Street and at South lake Town Square.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Today. Back to the break.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
LG o led Evil is the best TV in the game,
but don't take her work for it. Digital Trends said
the lgled G four has the best picture of quality
they've ever seen. See it for yourself at LG dot com.
Slash oled Evil Welcome Back.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It is the second segment of the break Life in
s WVC Mortgage Studios at the Star. The segment brought
to you by blockchain dot Com. All right, let's talk
about Brian schottenheim Er. He had his opening press conference
as new Dallas Cowboys head coach. First, let's just get
some thoughts on that that press conference. Was there anything
that popped out to you about the press conference? Any
impressions that you were left with as you listen to
(22:33):
Brian Schottenheimer or Jerry and Stephen talk during the press conference.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
It's we're talking about it again because we did not
show the emergency. Emergency Oh my goodness, you guys.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Weren't at lunch when it happened.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
No, well, well, there were people that were moving around.
It was like, oh, well, okay, so let's pull everybody
back together. There go, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
No, but.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
To repeat myself a little bit, I loved everything that
I said that I heard from him. He's a very
very likable guy. And if you listen to the whole
press conference, I feel like some people probably didn't even
care to listen to it or stick around through the
whole thing, But if you actually go and watch it,
you're gonna find most likely than not liking the guy
(23:21):
as well, because of the way he speaks and the
kind of compassion and like emotions that he shows again
the support that he had from the players. A few
players showed up, some of the staff members showed up
as well to give support. Dak Prescott was sitting there
to giving him that support as well. And just like
(23:41):
you mentioned, Derek, he was a big part of this
hire as well. So everything was very very beautiful, very
nice and cute and sweet and tears here and there,
and I loved it. But at the same time, we
gotta wait and see what actually happens because this is
a brand new position for him. He's never done this before,
(24:01):
although he has like twenty five years of experience in
the NFL. He had a dad that was very respectable
around and he's grown all his life around that. And
he mentioned in there he feels like this is his moment,
this is the moment for him to come in. And
it helps that there's that continuity. I can never say
(24:22):
that word, but he's been around, he knows everything around
the building and the players. There's that relationship there and
I like the fact. And I said that on that
other show, even though Jerry mentioned that sometimes he bit
his tongue in meetings and things like that. You know,
it gives me the hope that the fact that he
(24:45):
had to bite his tongue and knowing his position at
the time sometimes is not always the right moment or
your place to be talking or saying some things. But
that gives me the hope that he was able to
see things that bother him or that he was not
I'm okay with, and that he has a different vision
that will be better for this team overall and especially
(25:06):
the offense. So I'm eager to see what he brings
to the table, but it's hard to tell at the
moment because he has nothing to show for that because
he's never been in the head coach position. But everyone
supports him, everyone likes him around here, so let's let's
kind of it's one of those that, yeah, you're rooting
for the guy, but you gotta wait and see what
(25:26):
actually happens because there's no history there.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, a couple of things that and Ambar, you're absolutely
right about that. The thing that, yeah, I mean, he
he learned a lesson I didn't learn when I worked here.
He learned to keep his mouth shut, and I didn't
learn that. And that's a problem if you go in
there and you're always fighting, fighting, fighting, you know, for things,
or trying to fight for things. Sometimes you're going to
(25:50):
get in trouble doing that. You're going to be considered
as like, Okay, why am I always fighting with this guy?
And you know, and that that has to be your
hope if you're a Cowboy fan, that you know there
was some things that he saw. Now what makes me
feel worse about it is the fact that maybe that
Mike McCarthy and again this is just a thought if
he's biting his lip talking about things, did were there
things that Mike just completely dismissed. Were their ideas that
(26:13):
Schottenheimer had during the season and Mike, and this is
not Pylon Mike time. I mean, I'm just saying when
somebody says something, when the general manager says, bite his lip,
I'm thinking, Okay, there's some ideas that he had. There
were times when the Jones family were watching tape with
the coaches and they asked a question of why this,
(26:35):
why this? And you know and there and really Mike
gave an answer. And in other words, Schottenheimer might have
been sitting there and thinking, yeah, we could have done
this differently. We could have thought about Dutt the dut
dut the dut and then you know, but then he
bit his tongue, bit his you know lip, whatever you
want to you're not going to show his boss exactly exactly.
(26:56):
And so but it makes me, It makes me ill
if I was working in the front office and one
of our coaches had an idea or maybe to make
us better, but he was dismissed. And it got to
the point where he was dismissed that he couldn't say
something that should hurt you in your soul, you know
about that. It was not pylon on Mike McCarthy, but
(27:20):
was he so just no, no, no, that it made
other coaches not want to be that way, you know,
want to step up and say, like I did in scouting,
Hey we need to sign this guy. Brian, sit down
and shut up. You know I've heard that, so you know,
he learned I didn't. He obviously closed his door, took
(27:43):
down his notes, and this is where it circled back
for him. This is why a guy like that gets
this job, because he remembers all the days of sitting
in that meeting and watching Jerry and Steven go, now,
why are we doing this? What's tell me why what
was the thought here, why are we trying to block what?
And then you know, and then then what what shot?
(28:05):
He's able to do as he walks into remember the
time against Atlanta when we were trying to throw the
ball and we couldn't really you know what I'm saying.
He's able to go back and remind the Joneses of
all the things that he thought they could have changed
and got better. And that's why I think he got
this job, because him being in the building and knowing
(28:26):
and kind of having an understanding of how this all works.
And I'm not just talking about how the team work.
I'm talking about what was going on in the coaching
staff this year. You know, when you keep your mouth shut,
you know you're you're, you're you can and you're given
a chance to unload, you will do it.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
But you know I will say this too, it and again,
and I want to be clear, just like you said,
is it it's not day? Because no, I think Mike
McCarthy was a good coach here.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
He was.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
He was good, he was, But I do it made
me question as I heard that. It made me question
the kind of culture that had been created there. Because
if you ever have a situation in a work environment
where people feel like they can't really be transparent about
what they're thinking and feeling. That says to me the
culture isn't a true collaborative environment. And you want a
true collaborative environment and all that all with Will McClay
(29:14):
just talked about, right, So if you got a if
you got a coach who is the offensive coordinator that's
having to bite his tongue with the head coach. Cause
my assumption it wasn't biting his chung with Jerry, because
Jerry said if it was fighting his tongue with him,
it says to me that maybe the culture wasn't one
that valued the opinions everybody on on the staff to
feel free to be able to say, hey, man, I
(29:35):
disagree with this. I think this is a better way
to do it, and people would actually listen and say,
you know what, let's get that a try, and then
you go back and try to marry that up with
the results. And it makes me say, we remember twenty
twenty three and remember how it was going in the
first part of season. If we remember about the conversations
that were having across the hall meetings that happened in
that bye week and then the changes that were made,
(29:56):
and we didn't see that in twenty twenty four, and
that's we're left to make some assumptions here. But it
does make me question what was the culture among the
coaches for him not to feel like he could speak
up and say this is where I think we should
be doing whatever.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
I share that sentiment with you guys as well, but
just and not to justify this, but just to give
a different perspective as human nature. You look at the
way that Green Bay game ended. There's so much pressure
on you. This is your last year on your contract.
So with him calling the place, I feel like, maybe,
(30:34):
and I'm just saying, maybe you go into this mode
where you feel like you have to take everything, like
you have more control of your destiny, just listening and
worrying about yourself and you think you can figure it
out by yourself. And maybe that because of the pressure
that that year brought, the last year and all of
that and what you're trying to do, it prevented him.
(30:56):
And maybe he wasn't doing it on purpose, but maybe
that prevented him to allowing other opinions to come in
and just be like, no, I know what I got
to do, I know how to do it, and like
try to do it himself. That's just something that maybe
that year was unique in that way where it maybe
it prevented some of those opinions to come through.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Most times. I would agree with you on that. That's
a selfish play on Mike McCarthy's part if he did that,
because the rest of his coaches were on one year
deals too, this should have been it's us again.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
This is not what happened.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I'm just I'm just but yeah, we're just but I'm
I'm just saying that's very selfish on Mike McCarthy's part, if,
in fact, was if he takes on all the thing
like I'm going to do it my way because if
I get fired, I'm going out on my own. You know,
that's very selfish way of looking at things, especially when
you have all your other coaches on you know, it
should be hey, guys, listen, they really don't believe in
(31:50):
us right now, Okay, we got to find a way
to pull this thing together. Ideas ideas ideas. You know,
that's where it should have been. Hey, we're going to
survive this together. We're not going to and we're not
going to let it just fall on me. Yeah, ultimately
he is the head coach and yeah, but everybody else
in that room was on one year deals too.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
And also you made him your coordinator yourself like that.
You know, you brought him into the staff for a reason.
So it's it's I mean, at this point, we just
got to look forward to the future. But it's a
lot of things, and I agree with you it's definitely
selfish in that way if that was the case. But
always remember just a humans. Yeah, we're all humans too,
(32:33):
and things like that come into naturation.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, if our show here relied on us, we're all
on one year deals, and but I'm going to take
over the show because I don't think Derek's doing a
good job. And you know that kind of thing that's
selfish on me, you know, because it's really it's all
of us. We're all we're either going to survive it,
because at the end of it, when you if you
do survive it, it's even you just kind of bring
(33:00):
everybody together and now you work on other things and
but if it, if it falls apart, then you can
look at each other. Guys, we did the best we could,
it just wasn't good enough, and you walk out of
here heads high and that that way instead of, you know,
a coach having to feel like like Derek's talking about,
with the culture, you never want working with him, working
(33:21):
with you. Derek, I always felt like I could walk
in and tell you how fed up something was and
you would listen, But then you would tell me like, hey,
but you got to think about it this way. But
at least you gave me the opportunity to maybe make change,
you know, And that is there a reason Well no,
I mean, but that's but that you have to be
able to Always we always laugh when somebody I have
an open door policy. When you really have an open
(33:44):
door policy, you get things done because people feel responsible
for how the product looks, you know. And so Mike
took if he took it on thinking hey, I'm going
to go out my way, then then shame on him
for that.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Well we'll say that. If there's one thing about that
press conference that made me have some hope that this
thing can work is when I heard him talk about
what his specific traits are and what he brings to
the job. He talked about words like he's a collaborative guy.
He is a guy it's going to be all They
love that him talking about how good of communicator he is,
and we've heard that from other people around the building,
(34:21):
how good of a communicator is. He's a bridge builder,
he brings people together. Like when you start talking about
all those things have nothing whatsoever to do with x's
and o's. That's a whole different ballgame, right, But sometimes
I think what gets lost in looking for a head
coach are these skills, Because these skills are about leadership
and leading those men into a game and ultimate leading
(34:42):
them to victory. It's about more than just the x's
and o's. It has a lot to do with all
these other things and building that cohesive culture. Everybody feels
like they're heard, everybody's contributing, and then everybody has a
part in it. Right when you make sure that everybody's
being heard, now they have a vested interest in really
seeing it through because they know their boy is a
part of that as well. And so I love that
about it. We'll see if the x's and o's work,
(35:04):
will see if he ends up being a great head coach.
I don't think anybody really knows right now, but It
certainly gave me some hope listening to him during that
press conference. All Right, we're gonna take our final break.
We'll come back talk about some assistants who have been
hired here over the last couple of days, or that
when we come back. Dallas Cowboys dot com Radio.
Speaker 12 (35:21):
If you can't be at the stadium, there's no better
way to watch your Cowboys than on an lg O
lead Evo TV. That's because everything you see is more lifelike,
every play, every hit. I mean, you might just will
be on the sidelines.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
That's how clear it is.
Speaker 12 (35:35):
It's all thanks to LG's legendary technology, perfect black, over
eight point three million self lit pixels.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
No one comes close.
Speaker 12 (35:43):
LGO led Evo is the best TV in the game
for a reason. See for yourself at LG dot com
slash o Leedevo.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
They say champions are remembered, but legends are never forgotten.
United Agen Turf offers a winning lineup of John Dear
equipment built to tackle an each other lenge on and
off the field. Legendary John Deere Tractors combines residential mowers,
commercial mowers, compact construction equipment, cater utility vehicles and a
full line of golf and sports turf equipment. United Agon
(36:13):
Turf the official Agon turf equipment supplier of the Dallas Cowboys.
Visit United Dagonturf dot com to find a location near you.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
If you shout how about them Cowboys? You have that
undeniable passion that's the heart of Cowboys Nation. And if
you like to drink Doctor Pepper, you love the unique
blend of its twenty three flavors. Together, you're one of
a kind fandom paired with the one of a kind
taste of a delicious ice cold Doctor Pepper is the
game day lineup that can't be beat better yet, Gather
your Cowboys and Doctor Pepper fan friends to watch the
(36:43):
next game and crack open a delicious ice cold Doctor
Pepper for everyone.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
The wins will be even tastier.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
It's a pepper thing, and we're going to overtime. Erica,
how much have I spent on Concessions?
Speaker 13 (36:55):
For questions about their money, Dallas Cowboys fans can turn
to Erica, the virtual financial assistant in the Bank of
America mobile banking app. Learn more at Bankfamerica dot com.
Slash Erica by your side, Bank of America Official Bank
of the Dallas Cowboys. Erica responses may very digital tools
featured required downloading the mobile banking app and may only
be available on select mobile devices. Erica is a mobile
feature only available in the English language. Your chap may be
(37:15):
recorded and monitored for quality assurance. Message data rates and
additional terms may apply. Bank of America and a member FDIC.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
Todd thought it would be secure to jog in the
Cheatah Savannah. Todd believed the big Cat repellent he bought
online was reliable, and now Todd is trying to be
faster than this cheetah that can run eighty miles per hour.
But the good news is Todd has AT and T
five G. It is fast, reliable, and secure, and he
learned the best thing to do is stop running and
toss her the backpack with the beef stew At and
(37:40):
T five G. Fast reliable, Secure.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Five G requires compatible plan and device five G may
not be available in your area. See add dot com
slash five G for you for details.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Back to the break.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
At and T Connecting changes everything.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Welcome back. Final segment of the break Life in that
s WBC Mortgage Studios. Here at the star. Let's talk
about some assistants who have been hired. A new defensive
coordinator who is a god's been here before guy that
we're familiar with. Matt Eberflus joins his staff. Give me
your thoughts on the higher I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Uh you know, knowing flues for when I was with
you guys with Dallas Cowboys dot Com. When he came in,
we remember him part of the Rob Ryan administration.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
And then my backs coach.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, when Rob left, Uh then Rod Marinelli took over,
and you know, or was said Monty Kiffin was it
was Rod Marinelli.
Speaker 7 (38:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I don't think Kiffin was a defense yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Never, but but yeah, but he was what do you hear?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Was? Yeah you should know.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, on your lap, my shoulder, I was typing, got beat,
got beating Kansas City. I'm typing a report like a
right Mani's defense played well. I I was just kept
typing and I didn't care. Uh but yeah, he uh so,
But yeah, he Flus was part of that. He was
(39:07):
kind of a holdover guy. So he was like initially
an odd front or three four front guy, and then
he came in and he you know, worked with Rod
and Rod really really really liked him, and so then
he started to learning some of the four to three principles,
the stuff the Tampa two stuff that was made famous
by that crew, and and so he but he's kind
of developed that as his repertoire.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
You know, that's he's gonna be a four man front.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
He's gonna be a four man front, and and so Yeah,
and but everywhere he's been, it's been he creates turnovers. Uh,
his teams have always been really good scoring defense wise.
You know, there's things like that, to me, is he
going to gamble as much as say we saw from
Zimmer You know.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Probably not as far as blitzing.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Blitzing and things like that. But he's but he's a
really really really sound coach and very respected around the league.
Talking to some offensive coordinators that I know, they're like, listen,
hard guy to prepare for, because he's going to put
up He's going to take things away from you. And
so you know that's going to be the challenge I
this defense. You know, will see how the draft works.
(40:12):
I have a feeling you're going to see a lot
of these players for the twenty twenty five season. Defensive
starters that are going to be young players. I mean
rookie players, second year players, you know, when it's a
shame you don't have the overshowns and people like that.
But they need Carson to play well. They're gonna need
some guys to really really step up. And that's gonna
be the challenge because sometimes you get a coaching change
(40:36):
and the defense is a veteran defense. This is going
to be a new coach with a lot of different personnel.
The guys you're going to have Micah Hooker, Wilson Diggs
is not going to play probably the early part of
the season, so you're gonna have to kind of figure out.
But a lot of young guys are going to have
(40:57):
to play on this defense. So Leah felt, Yes, so
that's that's kind of where are the young guy? Yeah,
and then plus plus whatever defensive tackles you Drab Mazie,
whatever defensive tackles or edges or linebackers or safeties or corners,
I mean, take your pick. You could you could help
this defense in a lot of different ways. So new
coordinator likely a big, big, big turnover on defense. When
(41:20):
we get to Oxnart, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:22):
Huge change. But I like his repertoire he has. He's
been top ten in the top ten and takeaways in
the in six of the seven years that he was
as defensive coordinators, so that's a huge thing. And also
one of the other things that he's been known for
(41:44):
is being able to stop the run. And that's something
that the Cowboys, you know, we all consistently talk about
that you need to be able to stop the run.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
So that wasn't always a money that wasn't always a
Rod Marinelli thing that was always run up the field
and get gashed, you know kind of thing.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
But when you talk about him and look about him
and look him up, those are the two things that
pop out, is just the takeaways and defending the runs.
So two huge things that you definitely want to see
in your defense. But like you're you said, Brian, I
think it's gonna be potentially challenging at the beginning trying
to get everyone on the same page because of the
(42:20):
moving targets that you have, all the guys that are
coming back from injury, then acquiring whoever you're gonna get
during free agency, figuring that out, and then the younger
talent trying to get everyone on the same page. And
pace so. But but I have I'm sad to see
simm ergo because I did want to see a second
(42:42):
year from him. But at the same time, I think
this guy seems to be a good hire for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
The interesting thing is, you guys, it's gonna be the
third year now that the defense will be having a new,
new system, and that that's always something you keep in eye.
It's one of the things I think why the Jones
always talk about continuity, because it is hard when you're made.
We saw it last year at the beginning of the
year for the defense. As the season one, they got better,
but at the beginning of the season it was tough.
And it's tough to get a defense moving in a
(43:09):
different direction, doing different things when you're asking them to
different things and figuring out who's capable of doing those
different things and who's not, and then trying to make
the defense kind of morph around them in that way.
So we'll see how that goes. Let's real quick before
we end the show. Nick Sorenson added as a special
teams coach. Yeah, what do we know about him?
Speaker 3 (43:25):
All right? Talk to my gang of seven guys. There's
several of my guys, general managers, people like that player
personal guys that have worked with this guy. So it's
kind of it helped me a lot. Earlier you said
about about Brian Schottenheimer being a people person something he
takes a lot of pride in something a trade. He
talks about his ability to connect with people. When I
(43:45):
asked people about Nick Sorenson, they you know, he was
a first year coordinator defensive coordinator with the forty nine ers.
It didn't go well. They struggled with health that the
team just you know, the offense they didn't it just
was not good enough. And he he he took the
he felt he fell on the sword for that one.
For their you know, somebody had to go and they
(44:06):
moved on. But they didn't want him to leave the organization.
They were willing to kind of put him in another
spot and keep him around. They felt that much. They
liked him that much. But everybody that I talked to
about him was talking about what a what a good
coach he really is. And you got to be able
to you got to be able to connect. And that
was one of the things that my guys were telling me, goes,
(44:26):
this guy will come into a room and he goes.
The front office will love him, the players will love
him because his ability to interact and connect with people.
And as a special teams coach, you have to be able.
You're coaching the whole team. You know, you're not just
coaching a position. You're coaching the field goal block, the
field goal team, the punt, the punt return, the kickoff return,
the kick you're coaching at all. So you have to
(44:48):
interact with all fifty three players. So for for this
guy to come in and I heard nothing but positive
things about him, and but that the negative things were that, like,
hey might have been a little bit over his head
on the defensive.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
And that was his first time, and that's his first
special teams coordinator exactly.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
They took a chance that maybe this guy could be it.
He but everything about him as a coach, as a
person and as a person that connects with other people.
And I think that's what Brian Schottenheimer's trying to do.
I think he's going to try and build a staff
of guys or gals that connect with the team and
that they can have that as they go through these things.
(45:27):
So very very positive about him in that regard, positive
him about a coach and and but the negative was
probably over his head when it came to the defensive
coordinator stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
He won't be doing here.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
He won't be doing here.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
All right, that's a wrap. We will be back next week.
I think maybe we'll be at a point where we
would be done with all the breaking news and we
might actually be able.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
To I might not be doing with you.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Oh yeah, you're not with us. You've got super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
I'm at the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Least you know what, we might actually call you up,
see if you can give us a little ring, and
maybe we'll pull you in for a fele minutes and
I'll be happy what's going on out there. Hopefully you'll
you won't get a y'all won't get too crazy. I
know y'all's crew, y'all get a little wild out there.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
But I know the police in that city.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Good. That's perfect. That's a good thing. That's a good thing.
Let me know. The wife has the barcards. You can
always come help you.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
All right, We're gonna we appreciate you, guys. Jones. We'll
be back next week for Amber Garcia. Brian brought us
some Derek Eagleton. This has been the Break live on
Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Popular Podcasts
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
This is Gavin Newsom
I’m Gavin Newsom. And, it’s time to have a conversation. It’s time to have honest discussions with people that agree AND disagree with us. It's time to answer the hard questions and be open to criticism, and debate without demeaning or dehumanizing one other. I will be doing just that on my new podcast – inviting people on who I deeply disagree with to talk about the most pressing issues of the day and inviting listeners from around the country to join the conversation. THIS is Gavin Newsom.