January 30, 2025 • 47 mins
Time to talk about a new coaching hire. Was there really much risk with this decision? Because it all seems pretty comfortable. Is Brian Schottenheimer that right guy to lead the Cowboys into the future? Despite all his experience, being a head coach is a whole different ball game. One thing is for certain, though, we’ve got hope for what lies ahead.
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Jesse on the how many days.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Are you on?
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Now?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
What's today?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Thirtieth thirty thirty days of a liquid only fast and
he's got more energy than Nate Newton.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
We are in for a long.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
Long that, ain't it?
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Sometime you upset about the coach some no, sometime when
you're listening. You know, this is what I gathered. Kurt
came in, spoke, You came in, spoke to Jesse. Everybody
speaking to one another.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
How you doing?
Speaker 8 (01:59):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (02:00):
No, no?
Speaker 6 (02:02):
And you know Kurt asked about it, You asked about
it fasting, and it didn't take more than thirty seconds
for it became about you.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You know, you know, so Jesse.
Speaker 7 (02:20):
Short nails. But that's why I'm saying it quiet, like
I would break this to the.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
How's it going there, Jesse? Till Saturday? You said, how
you feeling.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Spiritually? I feel amazing.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, oh my god. Just the revelations that have been
revealed to me.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It's been so it enlightened you as you go through this, right.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Because because it's not just I don't eat, right, It's
not just like I just don't eat, but I like
every morning at five am, I do a mile and
a half prayer walk. So I go and I walk,
and I pray. I'm listening to praise and worship music,
and like my entire walk is a prayer walk. And
then throughout the day, in place of meals that I
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would have normal meal times, I either listen to a sermon,
I pray, I listen to a word, So I'm constantly
feeding my spirit all day long. And in those prayers,
I'm asking, like, you know, hey, God, this is what
I need. If I'm believing, if I'm praying for people
and all that kind of stuff. So you know, when
you ask for those things, you know the sacrifice is
not eating, and I'm getting answers from the Lord in
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those other areas. So it's been like the body wise,
you know, I'm probably down like nineteen pounds.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
You look good. That's a good walk.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my arms are looking a little Look,
I gotta do some more push ups. I gotta do
some more. I gotta do some more push ups. But
I feel great. Of course, the natural detox of the body,
I get really really tired around like five thirty six o'clock.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I'm like, I'm done by time you go to bed.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
I'm into bed like eight thirty. Really I'm I'm exhausted.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Like when I get done, you know, because these shows
require energy and brains always moving and people want to talking,
so that always and I'm in this place, that place,
that place.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
So when I get home, you're done, I'm done.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Like, I'll get me a sip the juice, a sip
a drink, you know, juice of water.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And I'm just like, so, this is a spiritual journey
you every year that you do and tell it for
people that don't listen all the time.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Tell them what you do and why you do it.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
So the fast originated from when I was poor and
broken out of the league and I was working security
and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
And I remember one of the guys.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I went to a church in North Carolina called World
over Comes Church and they were doing a big fast
and a friend of mine was like, hey, you need
to do this fast. I had never done a fast before,
and I was like, fast, what's that you know? And
he's like, you know, do this and he explains him
and I was like, wait, so you want me to
not eat food? And at that time it was seven
days of water, seven days of just juice and water,
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seven days juice, water, fruits, investables, seven days, juice, water, fruits, investables,
and like chicken and then you finish out the thirty
one days.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
And he was like, man, listen.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
You need you You're you asked you actually to get
you back in the league. Brother, you work, you work
at security, working at T Mobile.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
You need a miracle.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
So he was like, if you if you want, if
you want something that you ain't got, y'all be willing
to do something that you never done. And I start
this fast in January and the timeline, I'm like halfway
through this fast and that's when the first call came
in for fourth and Long. That was the first initial
call I got. Yes, that was the first initial call
that I got from Kevin Best telling me that these
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people are gonna call. I finished the fast, I get
the call from eight Ball Production and they start telling
me about it, and then everything just started kind of snowballing.
And so I said, Okay, this is if this is
what I get from that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
We got a deal.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
We got a deal. And so I'm like, every year
this is what I will do. And this year is
the first year because even I got halfway through and
the Holy Spirit was just talking to me and was
just just like, hey, keep going, and I was I
literally was having on a prayer like wait a second,
like what do you mean keep going?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
It's like keep going with juice and water?
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I'm like me, I'm looking around like you gotta be
talking to someone else, not keep going.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So is it is it a audible voice you hear
or is it a something in your head?
Speaker 5 (06:25):
It's in my head. It's in my head.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
And then you feel it like it's you know what
I'm saying, like you you just feel that, like because
I'm looking at him like, oh, I'm like, boy, you know,
fourteen days of this liquid's cool, I get to get
the fruits and vegetables, necks, I get a solid you.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
It was like nah, keep going, like keep going, and like.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
In that timeframe, I had like this amazing burst of
energy for like three or four days to kind of
push me over that hump of like nah, I can't
do this, and it was like keep going, keep going,
and I was like I went about twenty one days.
It was like nah, I keep going and it's finished
this thing out. And so it's been. It's been.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
It's been a joyous ride.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Man.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
One of the one of the we've talked about. We
won't say what the issue is, but one of the
issues that has been.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Kind of bothering you for a while now has been
purged out of your life.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Did that happen after you started the fast or before? After?
There you go keep it going, yes, same like you.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
You know, he's a way maker. He's a way maker.
He listen when he moves mount and he gets mountain.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Good for you.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
It's all good.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's very admirable. I would love to do it. Bringing
it back to me, I'd love to do it.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
But I don't think I could. You could have no way,
There's no way. I don't think I mentally I might
be able to do. You don't.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Didn't And you know what that tells me. That tells
me that there is something, there's not something in your
life that you're willing to sacrifice enough for.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Because if you believed.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Like I believe, and I'm not not pick your religion,
that's that's on you.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
I believe in Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
But if you believe that what he say he is,
he is, he is I am that I am, then
that that thing could be changed by I buy the
Lord and it requires a sacrifice. Then you don't have
anything in your life right now that's worth sacrificing. That's
that you're willing to sacrifice for.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, and that's or I'm too comfortable.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
That's okay. But they'll may come a time or day
where you have.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
To I'll be like, I ain't I'm not eating.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
Didn't you just.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Do that four days in Mexico?
Speaker 7 (08:21):
Liquid?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, different kind of same result, probably different kind of.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Yeah, that's why we were talking.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
You were praying or something. We might not have been praying
the same.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Result out the back end. Result in the front end.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
You might have been yelling, oh lord, oh Lord.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
So you will be eating by the next show? Yes,
And what is your first meal going to be? Saturday morning?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Like the big meal is going to be I want crab,
legs and shrimp.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
I'm going to get a seafood for breakfast.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
No breakfast is going to be baking an egg something
like okay, yeah, but like the big meal is going
to be. And I've been kind of like, you know,
because I'm not spending much money, so I put a
little bit away here, put the way here. It's gonna
be It's gonna be a two hundred dollars plus meal
for me.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Oh wow, oh yeah, yeah yeah, oh yeah, you enjoy.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Oh I will probably pay for it later that day
with that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
But my sacrifice is worth it. Okay, yeah, that's my good.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Good for you.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
If anybody wants to donate to the cost, it's gonna
be a it's gonna be a two hundred dollars meal
for me.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Good for you. I commend you on your dedication and service.
That's amazing. So Kurt, how you been hair? Hair looks good?
You got very Jimmy Johnson esque hair looking today?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I don't know you like looking like Bryan Shot and Hirod.
I just saw him in the cast the Brian Shot cut. Now,
I've gotta get the visor for you. Got to get
your advisor.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Dude, you should let your hair grow after what you
went through. You should let that. You should sacrifice your barber.
Speaker 8 (09:51):
Bill he regulator, sacrifice the proprietor of all right, Nate,
how are you sacrifice?
Speaker 9 (10:04):
You are.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
That? You leave me alone? Right now?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Chris? How you doing good?
Speaker 7 (10:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
It's weird doing a weekly show because we catch up, Yeah,
seeing each other every day for what six seven months,
and then we don't and then we kind of lay
off the group text a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
And then so when we see each other, it's like, hey,
how you been, what's been going on? And we do
it on air like we do everything else.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
And your family, so we welcome in a stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, let's take a quick break now that we haven't
talked football for the first whole segment, and we get
back a lot of news going on, a lot of stuff,
a lot of people leaving, a lot of people getting.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Hired, a lot of opinions about everything.
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How much y'all as slain me what osmosis mean?
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We do that on the air, and yeah, just tell
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All right, before we uh go down the football journey,
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I need to amend something that I said.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The last show.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Oh, I said every organization you need to be really tight.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
With three different departments.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I left one very very very important department out and
that department just happened to be listening to the show.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
So I got a phone call.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Originally said, I originally said, every every organization, you need
to be really close with what's finance not in no
particular order.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Best shout out to Big Rock Legal.
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Shout out to Kalisia, all avid listeners in I t
I T yeah, we'll shout out Jerry.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
McNeil, just because he's built the river and I know Jared.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I got a phone call from the one department you
really don't ever want to get the phone call from.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Would anyone like to guess department no Security, human Resources.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
Human.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
So shout out to Sharise.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And Tanya and everyone that's in there that I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Funny story, please tell called.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And this was a couple of days after the show,
and she goes, you know, I I try to listen
as much as I can, and I'm sorry, I haven't
really listened in a long long time. And the one
day that I tune in, I tuned into that. I apologize.
So I said, I will file an amendment on the
show out loud and uh so yeah, so HR is
another very very very important part, could possibly be the
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most important department that you're friends with.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
So the legal department listens the HR.
Speaker 9 (15:30):
Yeah, that's something I think that somewhere were still on
the air.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
We're still on the air, so okay.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
They but they definitely have our like our notices docked
up already.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Oh they have a five like.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
As soon as they say that one thing, let's think,
like Jesse, just just sign right here.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
Bro, like they had.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
The case is built. At any point they can just
slide the.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Gerrico cases already built. When when they come it's it's
no need to.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Fit's right behind Rowdy's file. And we know how that
ended for Rowdy. Rowdy's still around.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Yeah, I guess so are we here?
Speaker 7 (16:08):
We go?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
All right, Nate new Coaching hire, What are your thoughts
and feelings.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
On Brian Schoenheimer.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
As soon as I figure out what the osmosis is,
then I can probably answer.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
That osmosis is learning by being around things and not
particularly studying or researching or anything.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
You just learned things by absorbing the.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
So that is how he hired the new coach.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Because he hung around long enough to learn something until wow, okay,
thank you our new coach.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
Let's go Wow.
Speaker 9 (16:48):
That doesn't sound like a brilliant It's.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Not as ringing from Nate.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
I mean, that's what's Jones said. It is. It is
truly that hanging around twenty.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Five years watching your dad, watching the other coaches, watching
the players, and.
Speaker 9 (17:06):
That's gotta help though.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I mean, so, what's the okay?
Speaker 9 (17:10):
Ten years ago he was the hot name, one of
the hot names coaching, didn't take the jobs for whatever reason.
How is he any different than a young Ben Johnson?
Ben Johnson's been calling some plays, but he didn't have
near as much time and experience he had been around
the organizations. How is this? How is this different?
Speaker 7 (17:31):
Power?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
What do you mean about power?
Speaker 6 (17:34):
If you bring in a Ben Johnson, are you bringing
a coach that is known for who he is and
what he does. He's bringing a certain amount of power
with him, a certain amount of authority. A lot of
coaches don't do the group text. They like, this is
how it wanted, this is how it's gotta go, and
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this is how it's gotta be. When you come into
the deal with the Dallas Cowboys and family, the Jones family,
you have to learn to share. A lot of coaches
don't play well in the independ They either is they
toy is your toy, and they gonna take your toy.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
So that don't work that way. We're here with the Cowboys, Kurt.
Speaker 9 (18:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Me to answer to question a little bit as well.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I think there's windows and careers.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
There's windows across the board.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
And I think when Shady had his chance ten years
ago in that particular space, he may have been worthy
enough and had the wherewithal to coach in that space.
As this game evolves and it changes, one of my
big things that I have when you talk about the
retreads and the guys who have been around the league
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fifteen twenty years, is that they have learned a certain style.
They have their foundation of what they are offensively or defensively,
whichever side of the ball that may be, and that's
what they stick with coaching coaches, and coaching is a
very stubborn at times, a very stubborn occupation.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Never seen that before around here.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
This very stubborn because they feel like, and we've heard
it through many coaches, if they do what I asked
them to do, it'll work. Just just do what I
ask you to do, don't do your own thing.
Speaker 12 (19:27):
Do so.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I think when you talk about what's the difference, I
think now his philosophies and foundations and what worked well
for him would have been good ten years ago.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
And I just find it.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
This is my belief that a lot of them don't change.
There may be a little bit of tweaking, but they don't.
Their wholesale change isn't a thing. With a guy like
Ben Johnson or Aaron Glenn. They're becoming prominent in a
current space, and so everything they've they're doing and learning
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or approach in this time frame, it's in this timeframe.
So now it's and eventually their stuff will become old
because we'll get tenure down the line and a new
system will come about. Now, I know that there's only
so many things that you can do schematically with football.
What players change and rules will change that will give
you more advantages and so on and so forth. So
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for me, the difference of the two is and for
Shaddy it's, you know, I guess it's wait and see,
and we will wait and see and what we all
will be, you know, documented as we go along. But
those are the differences when it comes to the two.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I Kurt, yeah, more of your thoughts. Well very well
said yes, yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
It was.
Speaker 9 (20:45):
I mean I guess after hearing him speak and you know,
hearing some other people talk, it's like, I'm willing to
give him a chance, so to speak. It does sound
like from we talked last show about is it better
to be a next to those guys or a leader,
you know type, And he seems to have that aspect
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to him where maybe he can provide that leadership, that motivation,
that kind of thing. Let's hope. But as we kind
of talked about earlier, I mean, it's it's going to
come down to the players. Is he going to get
the players he needs? Is he going to get the
the freedom, so to speak, to do kind of what?
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You know, is there going to be a Zeke Elliott?
He has to play that kind of thing, you know.
I I have hope, more hope than I did when
I first heard the announcement, But you know what kind
of what's going to be around it?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, I'm going to go because I know Jesse's probably
got a lot to say, and I don't want to
lose my thought process because I have a feeling he's
going to fill up the whole rest of the segment.
So make this about me, Nate real quick, which I
usually wait till the end, but I'm going to go now.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I'm gonna give him a chance.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I'm not not excited, not through old wasn't excited about
any of the candidates really, like to me, Kellen Moore,
Brian Schottenheimer, whatever. You didn't get in on the Ben
Johnson sweepstakes. You didn't get in on you know, some
of these other guys. So I'm I'm going to wait
and see. I'm not gonna sell my Cowboys loyalty yet.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Like, I'm you planning the trip to Mexico next January?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's that didn't matter who you hired.
I'm planning that trip.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I will not be here, especially now that I don't
have to be here for you know, full time work.
I can actually take off and do it from down
there if I have to. But yes, I would be
going on that trip next year.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I'm not excited. I am shocked.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I am like completely shocked that they didn't go after
Kelling Moore, like as much as they liked him when
he was in the building, and the way Jerry talked
about him like, I can't believe they didn't let that
because there wasn't a line waiting for Brian Schottenheimer, Like,
I don't know why you wouldn't pursue that unless he
just blew you away right And now the fans probably
would have burned their jerseys if you'd brought kelling Moore
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back and made him the head coach. I don't know
if this hire is much different than that for the
from the fan basis perspective.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
But what I like about the hire is what I
don't like about the hire.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I like that he's familiar and you don't have to
teach Dak Prescott doesn't have to learn a new system,
which I know Jesse has his opinions about you get
paid money, go go learn it.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I like the continuity.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I like that everybody that I've talked to in the
organization really likes the guy, and they say he's a
great seems like a great person, and he's like he said,
he brings people together.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
He he you know, he's he's a people person.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
He's a culture.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Builder, which we talk about that all the time.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
That's what you need, is what proof do you I
don't have any that's that's what I'm saying. That's what
I don't like about is the same thing familiarity. You're
not letting, you're not There's no fear, like you said
power right, there's no fear.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
There's the same old, same old.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And some of these players on this team need to
need to be told you don't go do your job.
You're gonna sit, or you're gonna be somewhere else, or
you're not playing or whatever. And I don't think there's
no fear. You bring in somebody from the outside and
there's a what's this guy gonna do? Like you talked about,
they're texting each other.
Speaker 12 (24:15):
How is he?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
What's he doing? What's there's fear? There's no fear.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Like what I'm worried about is the lack of daisical
stuff that was going on before.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
It's gonna keep going.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
It might even get worse because it's the same internal
machine and it's the same nothing has changed about the processes,
and the fear now could be completely wrong. We could
get to training camp and we're like, whoa this all
this has changed. But it's like I like it, but
I don't like it for the same reasons. But I'm
gonna sit back and wait, and you're right, there's no
proof of anything. I'm gonna sit back and wait and watch,
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and then we'll reevaluate it next December and see where
we're at. And nobody, you know, everybody was nobody until
they were somebody, So we'll see. I'm not I'm not
ecstatic about it. I'm not thrilled about it. But now done,
give the man a shot.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Let's let's see what happens.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Yeah, I think we have to just live with it.
I'm I'm I'm in different.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
My biggest thing is and it's it's shoty. He will
he will have to pay the back taxes of.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Previous failures. And and I say that because.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
If you want to, if you want to sell to me,
or to the fan base, or to anybody, but to me,
that you're doing things different, if you're doing things that
will put you in a significant position to be contending
for the Lombardi, because that's that's the goal at the
end of this all, no matter who you hire, the
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goal is to put your team in the position to
win the Lombardy.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
And then you hear the phrase is like.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Continuity through the change, and I thought Clarence Hills was
kind of spot on us on the on the DLL
show that he did earlier.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
With me, it's almost an oxymoron because we don't want
the same thing.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
You don't want the same result for sure, we.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Don't right like, yeah, there's change, but I want there
to be a shake up.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
I want them to have to go on new learners,
learn new things, be uncomfortable, be uncomfortable in the change.
I think that would light a fire under certain people.
Now we all have to wait to see what the
results are, but there's nothing that we can kind of
really hang our hats on that says that this will
be the guy. And then when we start looking at
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Todd Archer did an article or did a story this
morning they talked about you know, he kind of went
behind the scenes on how this thing was broken down.
And Jerry Jr. Was a guy who was really pushing
for Brian Schottenheimer and even in that when they brought
Ann for an interview, it was to bring them in
to be their offensive coordinator. And that goes that to
(27:05):
me that those are the tre t LEAs that you
read and you go, oh, so this was a planned
situation where the Jones just wanted to still build their
staff their way, and that's probably why they stayed away
from guys like Aaron glenn And and Ben Johnson, because
those guys, to Nate's point, those guys were coming in
in one team power yeah, saying you know, and even
(27:28):
some of the coaching things now like there is no
coalition between Ibra Flusen and and and Brian Schottenheimer. They
don't they don't have no history together, they didn't work
together back in the day. A lot of people are
thinking and believing that that's that's who the Jones wanted
to hire. A guy that has been familiar with the
Jones is have been on this side already. You know
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that that lettle that level of phil merit and continuity
that they know, and that they could say, hey, we
we brought you in and now we can kinda you know,
do the thing we do behind it. So even like
even that looks like a situation where and then you
hear things like, well, you know, during the time when
he was the offensive coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer and Jerry said
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about it. He said there were times in meetings where
he bit his lip and had deference to Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Well, I don't want a guy that's gonna just sit
back there and shut up.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
If if what I gotta say is going to help
us be better, I'm gonna say it. I ain't gonna
sit back there and bite my tongue and have defference. No, hey, hey, hey, listen,
that's wrong. If we we should do more emotion this week,
we should do thing like so, so those type of
(28:41):
things that I hear and I'm going good. So now
so again, are you gonna still bite your lip when
you want something done?
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Now?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Are you still gonna have difference because you're going to
deference to the the GM and the owner and.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
So and so like that, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Like now, when when when when it comes time to
your point where hey think, hey you lay for the
plane again, you're not you're not?
Speaker 5 (29:05):
And then you hit it, No he is? You have difference?
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Then?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Right, you bite your tongue then, because if that's the case,
the continent that you're talking about, it's not gonna change,
it's gonna be the same thing. So that that's my
whole thing about it. And we could all be absolutely right,
or we can all be absolutely wrong. But again, it's
just that if we're all looking for something different, we're
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all looking for a change that will get us to
the next level. I would like to be working this
time next year. I would like for our show to
still be weekly this time next year. I would like
for us to be having meetings about all right, listen, uh,
hanging with.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
The boys will be in radio row, let's go.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
I just don't feel like he gives that to this team,
especially when you look around with what the rest of
the league is doing.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
Like they kept talking about this is a risky move,
This to me, is one of the most comfort.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Far away from risk.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
The bottom line and that power band for me, covers
a lot of things. You know, not only the coaches
we didn't hire and what they were seeking. I want
to see your power and your culture.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
See.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
To me, culture has a different meaning for every player,
for every person. I want to see what your culture is.
When they start OTAs, I want to see who is practicing,
who is not practicing. When you have certain meetings, I
want to see who was at the meeting and who
was excused. When we go to training camp, I want
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to see who's practicing and who's not practicing those all
of these things, because what your team lacks, it's continuity.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
So it starts when you walk out on the field.
For OTA's who's at practice.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Don't start judging him just when the games start. He
gonna tell you who he is through the whole training camp.
I challenge y'all make it the training camp. Let's see
how this thing go, because if it's the same way
coach McCarthy did it, you basically gonna get a worse result.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, I think it's it's the higher that I didn't
know who the name was and the person, but it's
the higher that I expected, because the only thing I know,
you know, my time around here is the family likes familiarity.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
They like people that are connected.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
You can see by the way they're putting staff together
now with ebra flues coming back right, there's that connection there.
That's why it caught me off guard when they hired
Mike McCarthy because he had no ties, he had no connections.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
It was kind of out of left field.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But everything else there's always been a well, he was
a coach with this coach, and we're really good friends
with this coach, and we got good feedback from this
coach and this there's always that there was no risk
in this right and I don't think as many risks
as mister Jones takes in the business world. And that's
how he made his money and he was able to
(32:05):
buy this team was you know, he talks about it
all the time. He taking chances, rolling the dice. When
it comes to the football side, they play it very very,
very very safe. I mean, look at the free agent
market since Brandon Carr.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
We talk about it all the time. They don't take chances,
They grow their own, they let them go.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
They try to promote from because it's familiar and it's comfortable,
and it's you know, and there's one very comfortable I
guess extension we could we could say that we'll talk
about next that I think we're probably all on board with.
Get your thoughts on, say who that is and what
y'all think when we come back, and then some of
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Welcome back to the final segment. I'm Hanging with the
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try to put all the puzzle pieces in perspective, here,
one major puzzle piece that there was, you know, some
concern from the fan base. It's probably the one hire
(35:25):
or extension that Jerry's made over the past decade two
decades that I think everybody's on board with, and that
was Will McClay getting an extension.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
So shout out to Will, welcome back.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
We saw him in the luntroom.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
So what are y'all's thoughts on that? I think Will's
done a great job. And you know, that's been the
one consistent thing that I think has stayed good over
the years is being able to find talent. Yeah, you're
gonna miss here and there, and you can debate, you know,
the last draft and all that stuff, but I think
for the most part Will and his staff has done
a really great job of finding guys.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
What do you think? What your thoughts?
Speaker 6 (36:01):
I think you got to get better when when you
stand pat on drafting, developing and paying them you have
to follow through the drafts. Last few and I'm talking
about first and second round picks have been just okay
(36:24):
guys that we have developed, Uh, we don't get them
on the field, and then we find out by the
time we get them on the field, it's too late.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
So you know, it's very much too that we got
guys that.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Are playing prominent roles on playoff teams this year that
we drafted, we developed, and now other teams are.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
Taking advantage of Lawrence so we can't And it ain't
just one.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Or two guys. It's four or five, six, seven, eight guys.
And so now we got twenty six guys that are
eligible in some form of way to leave this team.
Let's see how many we keep and do we keep
the right ones? Uh, I don't know if we'll have
any control and who they keep and who they don't keep.
Maybe he's just over the draft and pro personnel. But
(37:13):
we need to do a better job and holding on
to some of these guys, and I'm hoping it helping
Coach Shottenheimer. I ain't gonna call him Shotty because in
my in my neighborhood, that's a bad name. So Coach Shottenheimer,
I hope you do a better job. You say you
connect connect these these these guys together, whether it's an
awesome Richard starting for you and planning and being a
(37:37):
vital part. You know, are saying, hey, you know, if
we're gonna compete, let's compete and put the.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
Best players out there.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
I'm I can't wait till and I know I'm going
a little bit further than y'all asked for, but I
want I want to see o t as.
Speaker 7 (37:51):
I want to see everything you do.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Because if you say you're a connector you're a people person,
will put the best players on the field. And that's
that's bill the team, and that's hold on to some
of our guys, because if we lose twenty four out
of twenty six guys, that's that's not very good job.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I think Will McClay I am happy or for Will
just because I know him personally, right, So you always
want to see a guy that you know personally. And
since Will has taken over in you know, the scouting
and the draft and all that kind of stuff in
twenty fourteen, I mean through the draft, he's found and
drafted fifteen Pro Bowlers, six All pros. Now, that's great,
(38:35):
and some of the names that we cheer for or
have cheered for, fantastic. The problem is it's like in
this league, you're only good is the last draft that
you had, and so what happened in twenty fourteen to
twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen don't make for what's needed
in twenty twenty five. And the last couple of drafts
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for Will has been kind of those that when you
talk about hit or miss, it's been more of the missus.
So you know he has but one thing I will
say about it, and maybe this is just maybe I'm
going way too far, but when you talk about him
having a five year deal, and this was the first year,
to my understanding, that he was in on the coaching higher.
(39:24):
Normally he takes care of the draft and personnel pro personnel,
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
This was one of the first years that he was
in on the coaching higher and.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I kind of thought to myself, are we foreshadowing a
little bit with this type of situation where listen, Jerry's
eighty two years old, and I know that he's young
and hard and young in spirit and mind.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
But eventually you have to say enough is enough.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
And I don't know if that's five years from now,
and either sides or the Good Lord says your time
here is done. Like he's closer to the grid, than
he is to the youth. So either retirement or the
grave is has to be imminent in the future. And
now you would believe that Steven would step into that
(40:11):
spot of president and owner of the team. I know
they'll all have their shares, and Jerry and Charlotte and
all them, But does Steven say, okay, will start getting
your teeth cut in hiring staff, start getting it on
what we're doing on hiring staff. Because when I become king,
this is what I'm planning to do. I'm just gonna
(40:32):
be owner and president and maybe promote you just to
be the GM and now allow you to kind of
handle those day to day things from there. I don't know,
I could be crazy. It could be if your last
name ain't Jones, you ain't gonna hold one of these top, top,
top level positions. And they got some grandkids that are
in the pipeline that may step up in those spots.
Jerry may leave, Jerry Junior may lead the marketing department
(40:55):
and say all right, I'll come over, and you know
him and Charlotte made this.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
I don't know, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Maybe I'm for satled them with that, but they've done
something this year that they have not done. And maybe
that comes with the responsibility of in this new deal,
we will give you more money. So when more money
come to more responsibilities, so on and so forth. But
I'm I'm happy for Will, but he needs he needs
to have one of those home run drafts, especially in
this year, because you have a lot of There isn't
a position that you don't have a need for, like literally,
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i mean quarterback.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
But there isn't a position that you don't have ane.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
And if you miss, if you miss on three drafts
in a row, you wreck, you wreck, You're setting You're
setting yourself back. That's one draft care you're set back
for what the next eight to ten years to catch
back up.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Especially for an organization that doesn't spend actively at the
high end and free agency. Right, So, like you can
kind of miss in the draft, but you're like, all right, cool,
I'm gonna go spend some money over here to kind
of supplement us missing there. It's more like like Nate said,
it's all about draft developed pay those guys, and that's
how they kind of work their system. So if those
guys aren't hitting, they ain't going out there bring top
(42:00):
level free agency and to supplement the misses that they
have in the drive.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
You wind up with three superstars on your team that
and no help. Like that's what you got right? All right,
real quick before we get out of here.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Ibra flus as the DC Jesse, you got some some
ties with him, you spent some time with him.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Any thoughts indifferent on that as well.
Speaker 7 (42:24):
In your tone good luck.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
Not good luck?
Speaker 7 (42:28):
I just don't.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
I mean at that time, I mean it was a
decent was you know, linebackers coaching that don't really matter
in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
He had Sean Lee keep Brooks.
Speaker 7 (42:40):
Way to go, brother, I'm gonna tell ya something in.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
This on a high note, Nate, come on in this
on a high note.
Speaker 7 (42:50):
About that.
Speaker 6 (42:53):
If this is gonna be different, you got this is
not a you can talk, you know. He he did
a great uh opening. I mean they opened with him.
Normally they let mister Jones open. He opened it up.
Speaker 7 (43:08):
I mean he he started from I mean.
Speaker 6 (43:10):
Inspirational, all that is good into the fourth quarter with
two minutes left, you down by three, you own the
or you on your thirty and we need to take
this thing.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
In Philadelphia to show that we're competitive.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
What you're gonna do, Bro, You think the speech gonna help,
you think putting these players in the proper position and
keeping the right ones gonna gonna gonna give us what
we need as fans.
Speaker 7 (43:35):
That's my deal.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
I'll be watching you, mister Schottenheimer. I'll be watching you
because that's that's what you left me.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (43:45):
With everybody else, we can put something on Ben Johnson creative.
This guy, oh, a task master. This guy, oh, he
runs everything. We know everybody who was out there, We
don't know this guy. So we have to stay neutral
as media. And now we have to have a critical eye.
(44:05):
You know it, don't don't nothing come with him? But
he learned by watching, by doing, just by seeing and
never and never took control of anything. So we'll see.
And I just think the fans deserve to kind of
know what they're getting. But just like us as media,
(44:25):
we don't know what we're getting. So we can't be
super critical or we can't be over the top. We
know you can make a good speech, but can you
coach these men?
Speaker 4 (44:34):
And one last little tidbit on that life is completely
different when you're just a coordinator and to when you're
in charge of everything.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
Practice plans, travel uniforms, you know, like, there's so many
things you're gonna practice. I'm dealing with off the.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
Field stuffcause some of my players got this stuff going on,
and I got this guy upset, and you know, and
and Ibra Fluis, he runs a pretty basic defense, so
he gonna have to do something. You're gonna have to
do some crisis management when some other guys in that
defense saying, Hey, I don't want to keep standing in
this stagnant spot that you normally run your regular players.
And I'm used to being moved around and I'm used
to being shown off in a way that this ain't
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really So how do you handle crisis management? How do
you handle all of these things? The media podcast is
it's a lot that comes with being the head coach.
So those attention and details that are needed when it
comes to being the play caller and the head coach
for a guy who's never done it.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Yeah, we watch them, well said, we're watching, so are
the fans.
Speaker 7 (45:36):
So University takes you got eyes on you.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
There you go, There you go, Jesse, good luck on
finishing out.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Yeah, I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
We also got to say to our guy, to our guy,
Kyle and and uh and Jack Williams. Lucas his birthday Saturday.
Lucas is turning three. All right, Lucas is turning three,
So happy birthday.
Speaker 7 (46:00):
Being the.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Eat some ice cream for you on Saturday. Jake to Yeah,
good luck cake tps.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
I'm watch out, Kate, Kate, Kate, get it ready for Saturday.
I'm bringing that big. I'm bringing that that that that
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Speaker 3 (46:19):
Man we go so Jesse will be uh well hydrated
and man.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
I just been busier and Jesse park Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
This weekend, baby, hold up on Tuesday. Next Thursday, Chris,
get us some wings in here on Thursday so Jesse
can eat.
Speaker 7 (46:38):
Kirk.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Good seeing you, Nate, Hey, I like I like serious
no Bsny.
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We buy tickets every year every year. Hey, I'm more
than just talking about this day.
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Chris, thanks for keeping us all the air jazz and
Josh thanks for keeping him company.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Chris strapped back now, I don't know, strap up the
back pat Chris. We coming?
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We out?
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Oh, hanging with the boys. We Out.
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Are you on?
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Now?
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What's today?
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Thirtieth thirty thirty days of a liquid only fast and
he's got more energy than Nate Newton.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
We are in for a long.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
Long that, ain't it?
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Sometime you upset about the coach some no, sometime when
you're listening. You know, this is what I gathered. Kurt
came in, spoke, You came in, spoke to Jesse. Everybody
speaking to one another.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
How you doing?
Speaker 8 (01:59):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (02:00):
No, no?
Speaker 6 (02:02):
And you know Kurt asked about it, You asked about
it fasting, and it didn't take more than thirty seconds
for it became about you.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You know, you know, so Jesse.
Speaker 7 (02:20):
Short nails. But that's why I'm saying it quiet, like
I would break this to the.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
How's it going there, Jesse? Till Saturday? You said, how
you feeling.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Spiritually? I feel amazing.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, oh my god. Just the revelations that have been
revealed to me.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It's been so it enlightened you as you go through this, right.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Because because it's not just I don't eat, right, It's
not just like I just don't eat, but I like
every morning at five am, I do a mile and
a half prayer walk. So I go and I walk,
and I pray. I'm listening to praise and worship music,
and like my entire walk is a prayer walk. And
then throughout the day, in place of meals that I
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would have normal meal times, I either listen to a sermon,
I pray, I listen to a word, So I'm constantly
feeding my spirit all day long. And in those prayers,
I'm asking, like, you know, hey, God, this is what
I need. If I'm believing, if I'm praying for people
and all that kind of stuff. So you know, when
you ask for those things, you know the sacrifice is
not eating, and I'm getting answers from the Lord in
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those other areas. So it's been like the body wise,
you know, I'm probably down like nineteen pounds.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
You look good. That's a good walk.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my arms are looking a little Look,
I gotta do some more push ups. I gotta do
some more. I gotta do some more push ups. But
I feel great. Of course, the natural detox of the body,
I get really really tired around like five thirty six o'clock.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I'm like, I'm done by time you go to bed.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
I'm into bed like eight thirty. Really I'm I'm exhausted.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Like when I get done, you know, because these shows
require energy and brains always moving and people want to talking,
so that always and I'm in this place, that place,
that place.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
So when I get home, you're done, I'm done.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Like, I'll get me a sip the juice, a sip
a drink, you know, juice of water.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And I'm just like, so, this is a spiritual journey
you every year that you do and tell it for
people that don't listen all the time.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Tell them what you do and why you do it.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
So the fast originated from when I was poor and
broken out of the league and I was working security
and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
And I remember one of the guys.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I went to a church in North Carolina called World
over Comes Church and they were doing a big fast
and a friend of mine was like, hey, you need
to do this fast. I had never done a fast before,
and I was like, fast, what's that you know? And
he's like, you know, do this and he explains him
and I was like, wait, so you want me to
not eat food? And at that time it was seven
days of water, seven days of just juice and water,
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seven days juice, water, fruits, investables, seven days, juice, water, fruits, investables,
and like chicken and then you finish out the thirty
one days.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
And he was like, man, listen.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
You need you You're you asked you actually to get
you back in the league. Brother, you work, you work
at security, working at T Mobile.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
You need a miracle.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
So he was like, if you if you want, if
you want something that you ain't got, y'all be willing
to do something that you never done. And I start
this fast in January and the timeline, I'm like halfway
through this fast and that's when the first call came
in for fourth and Long. That was the first initial
call I got. Yes, that was the first initial call
that I got from Kevin Best telling me that these
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people are gonna call. I finished the fast, I get
the call from eight Ball Production and they start telling
me about it, and then everything just started kind of snowballing.
And so I said, Okay, this is if this is
what I get from that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
We got a deal.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
We got a deal. And so I'm like, every year
this is what I will do. And this year is
the first year because even I got halfway through and
the Holy Spirit was just talking to me and was
just just like, hey, keep going, and I was I
literally was having on a prayer like wait a second,
like what do you mean keep going?
Speaker 5 (06:14):
It's like keep going with juice and water?
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I'm like me, I'm looking around like you gotta be
talking to someone else, not keep going.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So is it is it a audible voice you hear
or is it a something in your head?
Speaker 5 (06:25):
It's in my head. It's in my head.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
And then you feel it like it's you know what
I'm saying, like you you just feel that, like because
I'm looking at him like, oh, I'm like, boy, you know,
fourteen days of this liquid's cool, I get to get
the fruits and vegetables, necks, I get a solid you.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
It was like nah, keep going, like keep going, and like.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
In that timeframe, I had like this amazing burst of
energy for like three or four days to kind of
push me over that hump of like nah, I can't
do this, and it was like keep going, keep going,
and I was like I went about twenty one days.
It was like nah, I keep going and it's finished
this thing out. And so it's been. It's been.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
It's been a joyous ride.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Man.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
One of the one of the we've talked about. We
won't say what the issue is, but one of the
issues that has been.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Kind of bothering you for a while now has been
purged out of your life.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Did that happen after you started the fast or before? After?
There you go keep it going, yes, same like you.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
You know, he's a way maker. He's a way maker.
He listen when he moves mount and he gets mountain.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Good for you.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
It's all good.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's very admirable. I would love to do it. Bringing
it back to me, I'd love to do it.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
But I don't think I could. You could have no way,
There's no way. I don't think I mentally I might
be able to do. You don't.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Didn't And you know what that tells me. That tells
me that there is something, there's not something in your
life that you're willing to sacrifice enough for.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Because if you believed.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Like I believe, and I'm not not pick your religion,
that's that's on you.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
I believe in Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
But if you believe that what he say he is,
he is, he is I am that I am, then
that that thing could be changed by I buy the
Lord and it requires a sacrifice. Then you don't have
anything in your life right now that's worth sacrificing. That's
that you're willing to sacrifice for.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, and that's or I'm too comfortable.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
That's okay. But they'll may come a time or day
where you have.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
To I'll be like, I ain't I'm not eating.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
Didn't you just.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Do that four days in Mexico?
Speaker 7 (08:21):
Liquid?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, different kind of same result, probably different kind of.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Yeah, that's why we were talking.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
You were praying or something. We might not have been praying
the same.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Result out the back end. Result in the front end.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
You might have been yelling, oh lord, oh Lord.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
So you will be eating by the next show? Yes,
And what is your first meal going to be? Saturday morning?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Like the big meal is going to be I want crab,
legs and shrimp.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
I'm going to get a seafood for breakfast.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
No breakfast is going to be baking an egg something
like okay, yeah, but like the big meal is going
to be. And I've been kind of like, you know,
because I'm not spending much money, so I put a
little bit away here, put the way here. It's gonna
be It's gonna be a two hundred dollars plus meal
for me.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Oh wow, oh yeah, yeah yeah, oh yeah, you enjoy.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Oh I will probably pay for it later that day
with that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
But my sacrifice is worth it. Okay, yeah, that's my good.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Good for you.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
If anybody wants to donate to the cost, it's gonna
be a it's gonna be a two hundred dollars meal
for me.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Good for you. I commend you on your dedication and service.
That's amazing. So Kurt, how you been hair? Hair looks good?
You got very Jimmy Johnson esque hair looking today?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
I don't know you like looking like Bryan Shot and Hirod.
I just saw him in the cast the Brian Shot cut. Now,
I've gotta get the visor for you. Got to get
your advisor.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Dude, you should let your hair grow after what you
went through. You should let that. You should sacrifice your barber.
Speaker 8 (09:51):
Bill he regulator, sacrifice the proprietor of all right, Nate,
how are you sacrifice?
Speaker 9 (10:04):
You are.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
That? You leave me alone? Right now?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Chris? How you doing good?
Speaker 7 (10:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
It's weird doing a weekly show because we catch up, Yeah,
seeing each other every day for what six seven months,
and then we don't and then we kind of lay
off the group text a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
And then so when we see each other, it's like, hey,
how you been, what's been going on? And we do
it on air like we do everything else.
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And your family, so we welcome in a stuff.
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Well, let's take a quick break now that we haven't
talked football for the first whole segment, and we get
back a lot of news going on, a lot of stuff,
a lot of people leaving, a lot of people getting.
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Hired, a lot of opinions about everything.
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How much y'all as slain me what osmosis mean?
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We do that on the air, and yeah, just tell
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I need to amend something that I said.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The last show.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Oh, I said every organization you need to be really tight.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
With three different departments.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I left one very very very important department out and
that department just happened to be listening to the show.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
So I got a phone call.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Originally said, I originally said, every every organization, you need
to be really close with what's finance not in no
particular order.
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Best shout out to Big Rock Legal.
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Shout out to Kalisia, all avid listeners in I t
I T yeah, we'll shout out Jerry.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
McNeil, just because he's built the river and I know Jared.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I got a phone call from the one department you
really don't ever want to get the phone call from.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Would anyone like to guess department no Security, human Resources.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
Human.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
So shout out to Sharise.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And Tanya and everyone that's in there that I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Funny story, please tell called.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And this was a couple of days after the show,
and she goes, you know, I I try to listen
as much as I can, and I'm sorry, I haven't
really listened in a long long time. And the one
day that I tune in, I tuned into that. I apologize.
So I said, I will file an amendment on the
show out loud and uh so yeah, so HR is
another very very very important part, could possibly be the
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most important department that you're friends with.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
So the legal department listens the HR.
Speaker 9 (15:30):
Yeah, that's something I think that somewhere were still on
the air.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
We're still on the air, so okay.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
They but they definitely have our like our notices docked
up already.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Oh they have a five like.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
As soon as they say that one thing, let's think,
like Jesse, just just sign right here.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
Bro, like they had.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
The case is built. At any point they can just
slide the.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Gerrico cases already built. When when they come it's it's
no need to.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Fit's right behind Rowdy's file. And we know how that
ended for Rowdy. Rowdy's still around.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Yeah, I guess so are we here?
Speaker 7 (16:08):
We go?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
All right, Nate new Coaching hire, What are your thoughts
and feelings.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
On Brian Schoenheimer.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
As soon as I figure out what the osmosis is,
then I can probably answer.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
That osmosis is learning by being around things and not
particularly studying or researching or anything.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
You just learned things by absorbing the.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
So that is how he hired the new coach.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Because he hung around long enough to learn something until wow, okay,
thank you our new coach.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
Let's go Wow.
Speaker 9 (16:48):
That doesn't sound like a brilliant It's.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Not as ringing from Nate.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
I mean, that's what's Jones said. It is. It is
truly that hanging around twenty.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Five years watching your dad, watching the other coaches, watching
the players, and.
Speaker 9 (17:06):
That's gotta help though.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I mean, so, what's the okay?
Speaker 9 (17:10):
Ten years ago he was the hot name, one of
the hot names coaching, didn't take the jobs for whatever reason.
How is he any different than a young Ben Johnson?
Ben Johnson's been calling some plays, but he didn't have
near as much time and experience he had been around
the organizations. How is this? How is this different?
Speaker 7 (17:31):
Power?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
What do you mean about power?
Speaker 6 (17:34):
If you bring in a Ben Johnson, are you bringing
a coach that is known for who he is and
what he does. He's bringing a certain amount of power
with him, a certain amount of authority. A lot of
coaches don't do the group text. They like, this is
how it wanted, this is how it's gotta go, and
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this is how it's gotta be. When you come into
the deal with the Dallas Cowboys and family, the Jones family,
you have to learn to share. A lot of coaches
don't play well in the independ They either is they
toy is your toy, and they gonna take your toy.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
So that don't work that way. We're here with the Cowboys, Kurt.
Speaker 9 (18:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Me to answer to question a little bit as well.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I think there's windows and careers.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
There's windows across the board.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
And I think when Shady had his chance ten years
ago in that particular space, he may have been worthy
enough and had the wherewithal to coach in that space.
As this game evolves and it changes, one of my
big things that I have when you talk about the
retreads and the guys who have been around the league
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fifteen twenty years, is that they have learned a certain style.
They have their foundation of what they are offensively or defensively,
whichever side of the ball that may be, and that's
what they stick with coaching coaches, and coaching is a
very stubborn at times, a very stubborn occupation.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Never seen that before around here.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
This very stubborn because they feel like, and we've heard
it through many coaches, if they do what I asked
them to do, it'll work. Just just do what I
ask you to do, don't do your own thing.
Speaker 12 (19:27):
Do so.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I think when you talk about what's the difference, I
think now his philosophies and foundations and what worked well
for him would have been good ten years ago.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
And I just find it.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
This is my belief that a lot of them don't change.
There may be a little bit of tweaking, but they don't.
Their wholesale change isn't a thing. With a guy like
Ben Johnson or Aaron Glenn. They're becoming prominent in a
current space, and so everything they've they're doing and learning
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or approach in this time frame, it's in this timeframe.
So now it's and eventually their stuff will become old
because we'll get tenure down the line and a new
system will come about. Now, I know that there's only
so many things that you can do schematically with football.
What players change and rules will change that will give
you more advantages and so on and so forth. So
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for me, the difference of the two is and for
Shaddy it's, you know, I guess it's wait and see,
and we will wait and see and what we all
will be, you know, documented as we go along. But
those are the differences when it comes to the two.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I Kurt, yeah, more of your thoughts. Well very well
said yes, yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
It was.
Speaker 9 (20:45):
I mean I guess after hearing him speak and you know,
hearing some other people talk, it's like, I'm willing to
give him a chance, so to speak. It does sound
like from we talked last show about is it better
to be a next to those guys or a leader,
you know type, And he seems to have that aspect
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to him where maybe he can provide that leadership, that motivation,
that kind of thing. Let's hope. But as we kind
of talked about earlier, I mean, it's it's going to
come down to the players. Is he going to get
the players he needs? Is he going to get the
the freedom, so to speak, to do kind of what?
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You know, is there going to be a Zeke Elliott?
He has to play that kind of thing, you know.
I I have hope, more hope than I did when
I first heard the announcement, But you know what kind
of what's going to be around it?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, I'm going to go because I know Jesse's probably
got a lot to say, and I don't want to
lose my thought process because I have a feeling he's
going to fill up the whole rest of the segment.
So make this about me, Nate real quick, which I
usually wait till the end, but I'm going to go now.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I'm gonna give him a chance.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I'm not not excited, not through old wasn't excited about
any of the candidates really, like to me, Kellen Moore,
Brian Schottenheimer, whatever. You didn't get in on the Ben
Johnson sweepstakes. You didn't get in on you know, some
of these other guys. So I'm I'm going to wait
and see. I'm not gonna sell my Cowboys loyalty yet.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Like, I'm you planning the trip to Mexico next January?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's that didn't matter who you hired.
I'm planning that trip.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I will not be here, especially now that I don't
have to be here for you know, full time work.
I can actually take off and do it from down
there if I have to. But yes, I would be
going on that trip next year.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I'm not excited. I am shocked.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I am like completely shocked that they didn't go after
Kelling Moore, like as much as they liked him when
he was in the building, and the way Jerry talked
about him like, I can't believe they didn't let that
because there wasn't a line waiting for Brian Schottenheimer, Like,
I don't know why you wouldn't pursue that unless he
just blew you away right And now the fans probably
would have burned their jerseys if you'd brought kelling Moore
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back and made him the head coach. I don't know
if this hire is much different than that for the
from the fan basis perspective.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
But what I like about the hire is what I
don't like about the hire.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I like that he's familiar and you don't have to
teach Dak Prescott doesn't have to learn a new system,
which I know Jesse has his opinions about you get
paid money, go go learn it.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I like the continuity.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I like that everybody that I've talked to in the
organization really likes the guy, and they say he's a
great seems like a great person, and he's like he said,
he brings people together.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
He he you know, he's he's a people person.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
He's a culture.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Builder, which we talk about that all the time.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
That's what you need, is what proof do you I
don't have any that's that's what I'm saying. That's what
I don't like about is the same thing familiarity. You're
not letting, you're not There's no fear, like you said
power right, there's no fear.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
There's the same old, same old.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
And some of these players on this team need to
need to be told you don't go do your job.
You're gonna sit, or you're gonna be somewhere else, or
you're not playing or whatever. And I don't think there's
no fear. You bring in somebody from the outside and
there's a what's this guy gonna do? Like you talked about,
they're texting each other.
Speaker 12 (24:15):
How is he?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
What's he doing? What's there's fear? There's no fear.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Like what I'm worried about is the lack of daisical
stuff that was going on before.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
It's gonna keep going.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
It might even get worse because it's the same internal
machine and it's the same nothing has changed about the processes,
and the fear now could be completely wrong. We could
get to training camp and we're like, whoa this all
this has changed. But it's like I like it, but
I don't like it for the same reasons. But I'm
gonna sit back and wait, and you're right, there's no
proof of anything. I'm gonna sit back and wait and watch,
(24:46):
and then we'll reevaluate it next December and see where
we're at. And nobody, you know, everybody was nobody until
they were somebody, So we'll see. I'm not I'm not
ecstatic about it. I'm not thrilled about it. But now done,
give the man a shot.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Let's let's see what happens.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Yeah, I think we have to just live with it.
I'm I'm I'm in different.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
My biggest thing is and it's it's shoty. He will
he will have to pay the back taxes of.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Previous failures. And and I say that because.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
If you want to, if you want to sell to me,
or to the fan base, or to anybody, but to me,
that you're doing things different, if you're doing things that
will put you in a significant position to be contending
for the Lombardi, because that's that's the goal at the
end of this all, no matter who you hire, the
(25:48):
goal is to put your team in the position to
win the Lombardy.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
And then you hear the phrase is like.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Continuity through the change, and I thought Clarence Hills was
kind of spot on us on the on the DLL
show that he did earlier.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
With me, it's almost an oxymoron because we don't want
the same thing.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
You don't want the same result for sure, we.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Don't right like, yeah, there's change, but I want there
to be a shake up.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
I want them to have to go on new learners,
learn new things, be uncomfortable, be uncomfortable in the change.
I think that would light a fire under certain people.
Now we all have to wait to see what the
results are, but there's nothing that we can kind of
really hang our hats on that says that this will
be the guy. And then when we start looking at
(26:44):
Todd Archer did an article or did a story this
morning they talked about you know, he kind of went
behind the scenes on how this thing was broken down.
And Jerry Jr. Was a guy who was really pushing
for Brian Schottenheimer and even in that when they brought
Ann for an interview, it was to bring them in
to be their offensive coordinator. And that goes that to
(27:05):
me that those are the tre t LEAs that you
read and you go, oh, so this was a planned
situation where the Jones just wanted to still build their
staff their way, and that's probably why they stayed away
from guys like Aaron glenn And and Ben Johnson, because
those guys, to Nate's point, those guys were coming in
in one team power yeah, saying you know, and even
(27:28):
some of the coaching things now like there is no
coalition between Ibra Flusen and and and Brian Schottenheimer. They
don't they don't have no history together, they didn't work
together back in the day. A lot of people are
thinking and believing that that's that's who the Jones wanted
to hire. A guy that has been familiar with the
Jones is have been on this side already. You know
(27:50):
that that lettle that level of phil merit and continuity
that they know, and that they could say, hey, we
we brought you in and now we can kinda you know,
do the thing we do behind it. So even like
even that looks like a situation where and then you
hear things like, well, you know, during the time when
he was the offensive coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer and Jerry said
(28:12):
about it. He said there were times in meetings where
he bit his lip and had deference to Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Well, I don't want a guy that's gonna just sit
back there and shut up.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
If if what I gotta say is going to help
us be better, I'm gonna say it. I ain't gonna
sit back there and bite my tongue and have defference. No, hey, hey, hey, listen,
that's wrong. If we we should do more emotion this week,
we should do thing like so, so those type of
(28:41):
things that I hear and I'm going good. So now
so again, are you gonna still bite your lip when
you want something done?
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Now?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Are you still gonna have difference because you're going to
deference to the the GM and the owner and.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
So and so like that, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Like now, when when when when it comes time to
your point where hey think, hey you lay for the
plane again, you're not you're not?
Speaker 5 (29:05):
And then you hit it, No he is? You have difference?
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Then?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Right, you bite your tongue then, because if that's the case,
the continent that you're talking about, it's not gonna change,
it's gonna be the same thing. So that that's my
whole thing about it. And we could all be absolutely right,
or we can all be absolutely wrong. But again, it's
just that if we're all looking for something different, we're
(29:31):
all looking for a change that will get us to
the next level. I would like to be working this
time next year. I would like for our show to
still be weekly this time next year. I would like
for us to be having meetings about all right, listen, uh,
hanging with.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
The boys will be in radio row, let's go.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
I just don't feel like he gives that to this team,
especially when you look around with what the rest of
the league is doing.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
Like they kept talking about this is a risky move,
This to me, is one of the most comfort.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Far away from risk.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
The bottom line and that power band for me, covers
a lot of things. You know, not only the coaches
we didn't hire and what they were seeking. I want
to see your power and your culture.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
See.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
To me, culture has a different meaning for every player,
for every person. I want to see what your culture is.
When they start OTAs, I want to see who is practicing,
who is not practicing. When you have certain meetings, I
want to see who was at the meeting and who
was excused. When we go to training camp, I want
(30:43):
to see who's practicing and who's not practicing those all
of these things, because what your team lacks, it's continuity.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
So it starts when you walk out on the field.
For OTA's who's at practice.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Don't start judging him just when the games start. He
gonna tell you who he is through the whole training camp.
I challenge y'all make it the training camp. Let's see
how this thing go, because if it's the same way
coach McCarthy did it, you basically gonna get a worse result.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, I think it's it's the higher that I didn't
know who the name was and the person, but it's
the higher that I expected, because the only thing I know,
you know, my time around here is the family likes familiarity.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
They like people that are connected.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
You can see by the way they're putting staff together
now with ebra flues coming back right, there's that connection there.
That's why it caught me off guard when they hired
Mike McCarthy because he had no ties, he had no connections.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
It was kind of out of left field.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But everything else there's always been a well, he was
a coach with this coach, and we're really good friends
with this coach, and we got good feedback from this
coach and this there's always that there was no risk
in this right and I don't think as many risks
as mister Jones takes in the business world. And that's
how he made his money and he was able to
(32:05):
buy this team was you know, he talks about it
all the time. He taking chances, rolling the dice. When
it comes to the football side, they play it very very,
very very safe. I mean, look at the free agent
market since Brandon Carr.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
We talk about it all the time. They don't take chances,
They grow their own, they let them go.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
They try to promote from because it's familiar and it's comfortable,
and it's you know, and there's one very comfortable I
guess extension we could we could say that we'll talk
about next that I think we're probably all on board with.
Get your thoughts on, say who that is and what
y'all think when we come back, and then some of
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Welcome back to the final segment. I'm Hanging with the
Boys brought to you each and every show by Jigsaw,
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try to put all the puzzle pieces in perspective, here,
one major puzzle piece that there was, you know, some
concern from the fan base. It's probably the one hire
(35:25):
or extension that Jerry's made over the past decade two
decades that I think everybody's on board with, and that
was Will McClay getting an extension.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
So shout out to Will, welcome back.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
We saw him in the luntroom.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
So what are y'all's thoughts on that? I think Will's
done a great job. And you know, that's been the
one consistent thing that I think has stayed good over
the years is being able to find talent. Yeah, you're
gonna miss here and there, and you can debate, you know,
the last draft and all that stuff, but I think
for the most part Will and his staff has done
a really great job of finding guys.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
What do you think? What your thoughts?
Speaker 6 (36:01):
I think you got to get better when when you
stand pat on drafting, developing and paying them you have
to follow through the drafts. Last few and I'm talking
about first and second round picks have been just okay
(36:24):
guys that we have developed, Uh, we don't get them
on the field, and then we find out by the
time we get them on the field, it's too late.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
So you know, it's very much too that we got
guys that.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Are playing prominent roles on playoff teams this year that
we drafted, we developed, and now other teams are.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
Taking advantage of Lawrence so we can't And it ain't
just one.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Or two guys. It's four or five, six, seven, eight guys.
And so now we got twenty six guys that are
eligible in some form of way to leave this team.
Let's see how many we keep and do we keep
the right ones? Uh, I don't know if we'll have
any control and who they keep and who they don't keep.
Maybe he's just over the draft and pro personnel. But
(37:13):
we need to do a better job and holding on
to some of these guys, and I'm hoping it helping
Coach Shottenheimer. I ain't gonna call him Shotty because in
my in my neighborhood, that's a bad name. So Coach Shottenheimer,
I hope you do a better job. You say you
connect connect these these these guys together, whether it's an
awesome Richard starting for you and planning and being a
(37:37):
vital part. You know, are saying, hey, you know, if
we're gonna compete, let's compete and put the.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
Best players out there.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
I'm I can't wait till and I know I'm going
a little bit further than y'all asked for, but I
want I want to see o t as.
Speaker 7 (37:51):
I want to see everything you do.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Because if you say you're a connector you're a people person,
will put the best players on the field. And that's
that's bill the team, and that's hold on to some
of our guys, because if we lose twenty four out
of twenty six guys, that's that's not very good job.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I think Will McClay I am happy or for Will
just because I know him personally, right, So you always
want to see a guy that you know personally. And
since Will has taken over in you know, the scouting
and the draft and all that kind of stuff in
twenty fourteen, I mean through the draft, he's found and
drafted fifteen Pro Bowlers, six All pros. Now, that's great,
(38:35):
and some of the names that we cheer for or
have cheered for, fantastic. The problem is it's like in
this league, you're only good is the last draft that
you had, and so what happened in twenty fourteen to
twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen don't make for what's needed
in twenty twenty five. And the last couple of drafts
(38:58):
for Will has been kind of those that when you
talk about hit or miss, it's been more of the missus.
So you know he has but one thing I will
say about it, and maybe this is just maybe I'm
going way too far, but when you talk about him
having a five year deal, and this was the first year,
to my understanding, that he was in on the coaching higher.
(39:24):
Normally he takes care of the draft and personnel pro personnel,
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
This was one of the first years that he was
in on the coaching higher and.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I kind of thought to myself, are we foreshadowing a
little bit with this type of situation where listen, Jerry's
eighty two years old, and I know that he's young
and hard and young in spirit and mind.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
But eventually you have to say enough is enough.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
And I don't know if that's five years from now,
and either sides or the Good Lord says your time
here is done. Like he's closer to the grid, than
he is to the youth. So either retirement or the
grave is has to be imminent in the future. And
now you would believe that Steven would step into that
(40:11):
spot of president and owner of the team. I know
they'll all have their shares, and Jerry and Charlotte and
all them, But does Steven say, okay, will start getting
your teeth cut in hiring staff, start getting it on
what we're doing on hiring staff. Because when I become king,
this is what I'm planning to do. I'm just gonna
(40:32):
be owner and president and maybe promote you just to
be the GM and now allow you to kind of
handle those day to day things from there. I don't know,
I could be crazy. It could be if your last
name ain't Jones, you ain't gonna hold one of these top, top,
top level positions. And they got some grandkids that are
in the pipeline that may step up in those spots.
Jerry may leave, Jerry Junior may lead the marketing department
(40:55):
and say all right, I'll come over, and you know
him and Charlotte made this.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
I don't know, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Maybe I'm for satled them with that, but they've done
something this year that they have not done. And maybe
that comes with the responsibility of in this new deal,
we will give you more money. So when more money
come to more responsibilities, so on and so forth. But
I'm I'm happy for Will, but he needs he needs
to have one of those home run drafts, especially in
this year, because you have a lot of There isn't
a position that you don't have a need for, like literally,
(41:21):
i mean quarterback.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
But there isn't a position that you don't have ane.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
And if you miss, if you miss on three drafts
in a row, you wreck, you wreck, You're setting You're
setting yourself back. That's one draft care you're set back
for what the next eight to ten years to catch
back up.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Especially for an organization that doesn't spend actively at the
high end and free agency. Right, So, like you can
kind of miss in the draft, but you're like, all right, cool,
I'm gonna go spend some money over here to kind
of supplement us missing there. It's more like like Nate said,
it's all about draft developed pay those guys, and that's
how they kind of work their system. So if those
guys aren't hitting, they ain't going out there bring top
(42:00):
level free agency and to supplement the misses that they
have in the drive.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
You wind up with three superstars on your team that
and no help. Like that's what you got right? All right,
real quick before we get out of here.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Ibra flus as the DC Jesse, you got some some
ties with him, you spent some time with him.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Any thoughts indifferent on that as well.
Speaker 7 (42:24):
In your tone good luck.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
Not good luck?
Speaker 7 (42:28):
I just don't.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
I mean at that time, I mean it was a
decent was you know, linebackers coaching that don't really matter
in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
He had Sean Lee keep Brooks.
Speaker 7 (42:40):
Way to go, brother, I'm gonna tell ya something in.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
This on a high note, Nate, come on in this
on a high note.
Speaker 7 (42:50):
About that.
Speaker 6 (42:53):
If this is gonna be different, you got this is
not a you can talk, you know. He he did
a great uh opening. I mean they opened with him.
Normally they let mister Jones open. He opened it up.
Speaker 7 (43:08):
I mean he he started from I mean.
Speaker 6 (43:10):
Inspirational, all that is good into the fourth quarter with
two minutes left, you down by three, you own the
or you on your thirty and we need to take
this thing.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
In Philadelphia to show that we're competitive.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
What you're gonna do, Bro, You think the speech gonna help,
you think putting these players in the proper position and
keeping the right ones gonna gonna gonna give us what
we need as fans.
Speaker 7 (43:35):
That's my deal.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
I'll be watching you, mister Schottenheimer. I'll be watching you
because that's that's what you left me.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (43:45):
With everybody else, we can put something on Ben Johnson creative.
This guy, oh, a task master. This guy, oh, he
runs everything. We know everybody who was out there, We
don't know this guy. So we have to stay neutral
as media. And now we have to have a critical eye.
(44:05):
You know it, don't don't nothing come with him? But
he learned by watching, by doing, just by seeing and
never and never took control of anything. So we'll see.
And I just think the fans deserve to kind of
know what they're getting. But just like us as media,
(44:25):
we don't know what we're getting. So we can't be
super critical or we can't be over the top. We
know you can make a good speech, but can you
coach these men?
Speaker 4 (44:34):
And one last little tidbit on that life is completely
different when you're just a coordinator and to when you're
in charge of everything.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
Practice plans, travel uniforms, you know, like, there's so many
things you're gonna practice. I'm dealing with off the.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
Field stuffcause some of my players got this stuff going on,
and I got this guy upset, and you know, and
and Ibra Fluis, he runs a pretty basic defense, so
he gonna have to do something. You're gonna have to
do some crisis management when some other guys in that
defense saying, Hey, I don't want to keep standing in
this stagnant spot that you normally run your regular players.
And I'm used to being moved around and I'm used
to being shown off in a way that this ain't
(45:13):
really So how do you handle crisis management? How do
you handle all of these things? The media podcast is
it's a lot that comes with being the head coach.
So those attention and details that are needed when it
comes to being the play caller and the head coach
for a guy who's never done it.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Yeah, we watch them, well said, we're watching, so are
the fans.
Speaker 7 (45:36):
So University takes you got eyes on you.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
There you go, There you go, Jesse, good luck on
finishing out.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Yeah, I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
We also got to say to our guy, to our guy,
Kyle and and uh and Jack Williams. Lucas his birthday Saturday.
Lucas is turning three. All right, Lucas is turning three,
So happy birthday.
Speaker 7 (46:00):
Being the.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Eat some ice cream for you on Saturday. Jake to Yeah,
good luck cake tps.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
I'm watch out, Kate, Kate, Kate, get it ready for Saturday.
I'm bringing that big. I'm bringing that that that that
super Bowl packed from wing stop.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Man we go so Jesse will be uh well hydrated
and man.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
I just been busier and Jesse park Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
This weekend, baby, hold up on Tuesday. Next Thursday, Chris,
get us some wings in here on Thursday so Jesse
can eat.
Speaker 7 (46:38):
Kirk.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Good seeing you, Nate, Hey, I like I like serious
no Bsny.
Speaker 7 (46:46):
We buy tickets every year every year. Hey, I'm more
than just talking about this day.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Chris, thanks for keeping us all the air jazz and
Josh thanks for keeping him company.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Chris strapped back now, I don't know, strap up the
back pat Chris. We coming?
Speaker 7 (47:03):
We out?
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Oh, hanging with the boys. We Out.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
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