November 12, 2025 • 48 mins
A lot of old days talk, then pointing out the Dallas Cowboys appropriately holding a private memorial service Tuesday might to honor the life of Marshawn Kneeland, then slowly getting around to football talk, centering on how the reinforcements coupled with the trade deadline moves will help the Cowboys going forward, finishing with some “Too Tall” talk.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
This is nick Shots, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com
and the official Dallas Cowboys at now.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Here are Bill Jones, Heckma Harrison, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
It's time for another edition of mix Shots. Here inside
the SWBC podcast studio. Heck Ma Harrison railing you in
as it's time to talk Cowboys and uh for some
of us, get caught up on what happened yesterday on
mix Shots, and we look ahead to the Las Vegas
(00:50):
Raiders on Monday night as well. Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Hecma Harrison, and the star of the show, Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So you didn't listen to us yes today? Why do
you got to catch up listening?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
We were busy elsewhere in the metro Plex yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Why what happened?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
The firing? Nico?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
No more fire? Nico chants around this place, unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
I'm sure he'll be wherever he walks, Well, he walked,
follow him wherever he goes, everywhere except for Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Probably they're praising.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Him in l a he's a hero, checking to see
if he's been hired there yet.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Rob him, Well, nobody wants me here, I'll go there.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
You think Rob and him made a deal another deal,
or maybe they made that deal before he made the
other deal because he knew what was gonna happen once
he made that deal.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
If he ends up in Los Angeles, then yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
You know, he just gave up pretenses.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
That move going to help him win tonight.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
They do have a game tonight against the Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
It has not helped them yet.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Yeah, three and eight, three and eight, Yeah, well they no,
I mean that they fired him.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
That's gonna oh, it's gonna turn this. It's going to
turn the seasonally.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Yeah right, yeah, like he was the only one that
had anything to do with that decision.
Speaker 7 (02:18):
Yeah yeah, it was just me, guys, I did all
by myself.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, full guarantee you. What happened was that it got
out that everybody used it that behind the scenes. He
wasn't here for long, and then they decided, well we
can't put up with that.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
We're just gonna get rid of them.
Speaker 7 (02:37):
Yeah. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
He seemed to be a little bit of a prima
Donald that was the word that was out there, and
so you know they got rid of them.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
The decision had to have been made before Monday night.
But when you were when the team is in a
close game shooting free throws in the fourth quarter, like
thirty seconds left of the year, and all you here
in the arena is fire Nico. Something's got to be done.
Speaker 7 (03:05):
And then he misses the free throw so needed to.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
When he needed to make all three.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
Nico.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Nico got Anthony Davis hurt too, and Nico got Kyrie
and everything, everything, every.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
Everything is fine.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So all right, and don't worry about all the moves
he made to get him to the points that everybody.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Right, I mean, if you look at it, if wow,
something positive, well he somebody's got to say something positive.
Up up until February first thinks we're going Okay, he was.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
The star of the show.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Try got into the UNBA finals. Okay, there's a freak
stalk for you. Enough of that, all right, So what
do we need to know today? We got a Brian
shot nyberpress conference coming up right when we get done
at one o'clock today.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
First time he's spoken publicly, Yeah, Jerry or steven On
was it Monday, Jerry on Tuesday, and then Shody in
an hour.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Steven and Jerry were on the radio both Monday and Tuesday.
And so this is the first time that there's a
press conference, right.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Uh, there was a private memorial service last night at
the Ford Center family friends players I did not, staff
members did. Yeah, it was pretty private. But yeah, they
did do that.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So that was it was.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
It was pretty movie.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
You were there, Yeah, okay, it was pretty movie. So anyway,
they did do that for the family and friends a
bunch of them too, by the way. So yeah, so
as far as the players are concerned, they got back
on Monday, right, and they had meeting on Monday. They
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were here part of the day yesterday and then returned
for the memorial service.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
And this is a player's day off right today. This
is like Tuesday, yep. So with a Monday night game,
tomorrow is the Thursday is like a Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
So practice Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and charter flight on Sunday.
And I don't know if I can't remember if they
were doing things here beforehand before they got on charter flights,
because they used to kind of do a walk through
sometimes that day you know what they used to do.
(05:50):
They would do when Jimmy got here, they would do
a walk through at the wherever they were going at
the stadium until they got to one year r f
K and they locked them out and couldn't get in.
Philadelphia used to do that.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
He was.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
He was pissed when the locked out of Philly.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Well, that's that's it was a typical thing. As we
go in the way back machine, hechma back to the
to the eighties, and teams used to do that all
the time, where they would do a walk They would
fly in and go to the stadium, check out the field,
check out the field, do a walk through at the stadium.
College teams would do that all exactly. That's just but yeah,
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y'all do that, yeah.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And then and then when you didn't know if you're
going to get in the stadium or not, they would
do it out in the parking lot or the ballroom.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I've never heard of them being locked out, though, locked
out of the state. And then that's a pretty cold
work right there. And I would expect Philly, Philly, absolutely,
that sounds about right.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Everybody showed up on the bus and they couldn't get in.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Back in the days, college stadiums weren't locked up now
they are. Yeah, I mean you could get in there.
We would get into I.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Did that in college. We would go, Yeah, walk the
field in college a little bit.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Gets get used to the atmosphere and what you're facing.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
I don't recall doing that in the pros at all.
I don't recalled Jimmy, but Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I don't know. I don't remember.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
I remember being on road trips covering the Cowboys and
the Jimmy era, and we would get in town the
day before and we would show in our rental car
and we'd go to the stadium to get video of
the team walking in for the walkthrough and stuff like that.
One of my favorite memories in my career goes back
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to when I was working in Lubbock and SMU's Pony
Express came to Lubbock to play Texas Tech with Eric
Dickerson and Craig James beat.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
They came to beat Texas to Well.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
That was a crazy game. That was the game that
Tech had a lead in the final seconds of the
game and they ran the kickoff return throwback past to
Bobby Leach. He goes down the sideline right in front
of the Texas Tech bench to win the game, and
sim was right number two in the country. I remember that, Yeah,
(08:15):
it was. It was the same day as the Cal
Stanford kickoff returned through the band as a tuba player.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That was eighty eighty two.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
I think that's what it was. And uh And in fact,
as I digress, the Tennessee Titans play where Alan Lowry
was a special teams coach for the for the Titans
against the Buffalo Bills, Wade Phillips.
Speaker 8 (08:40):
Would have been eighty seven, was it the number eighty seven?
Frank Whitechek was number so I'm going to have received
it not the one that right. No, Alan Lowry was
a special teams coach with the Cowboys back in the
early eighties. Okay, he when he ran that play mirror
the Music City Miracle, he said after the game that
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I've kept that play in my hip pocket ever since.
SMU ran it against Texas te in.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Nineteen two, the throwback to Bobby Leach down the sideline,
but the whole go ahead.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I was gonna say, what year did that take place?
With it with the Titans.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Two thousand maybe something in that range.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
We were on the tarmac watching it on the phone
because we had just landed wherever we were going, right,
we just got off the chart flop.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
I've been ninety nine and we were Cowboys, would have
been in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
We were watching it on the tarmac.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
But the reason I bring that up is SMU came
into town the Friday before the game, and myself and
my photographer, the ABC affiliate Lovebook, we go out there
and we were able to interview Eric Dickerson and Craig James.
Bobby Collins was the coach at SMU all the day
before the game. That would be unheard of today. I mean,
(09:59):
now everything is so restricted. They only make players available
in certain days if they make them available at all.
And here we are interviewing Craig James and Eric Dickerson
the day before the game.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Everson knows all about that. It's Saint Louis. We brought
it up the other day.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
That's right, Yeah, that was that was That was two
hours before the game, So MYDAYNFE.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Look, whose fault do you think it is? Who are
they to blame for the change.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Right where we don't have any access anymore?
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Is it the players for doing silly things or is
it the media themselves? It had everyone.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
It happened with the Cowboys. I would blame one of
my favorite players with the Cowboys, Michael Irvan, in our access.
Our access at Valley Ranch was cut off once in
nineteen ninety six when Michael had his what things things
that were going on?
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Ever, you made several several things, not just one moment.
There was several.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Moments when helicopters were hovering over Valley Ranch. That's when
we couldn't park in the players parking lot anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
And he walked into my office one day before he
walked out the ranch and sat down and goes, why
is everybody picking on me? I was like I had
to turn into father confessor or you know, listen to
his confession.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Right.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
It was unbelievable. It's like, but that's the access we
had well, And it was the same not only with football,
but with the Mavericks. It's like, for example, yesterday, I mean,
we have a photographer who's outside the Mavericks practice facility
and there were other photographers from other TV stations and
they're outside a gated, you know, blocked off parking lot
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and they get this this video of Nico Harrison leaving
the office and getting in his car whatever. Well, back
in the day when the Mavericks practice over here off
Welch Road, Donald Carter's warehouse, he was a former owner
of the team. For those who don't know, we would
be we would park right next to Blackman or Derek
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Harper or whatever, and we'd have our camera out and
as soon as they walk out of the building, we've
got a camera right in. And they didn't mind it.
It was no big deal. I mean, we had such
a great relationship with the players.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Well, do you remember when Herschel got traded at the Ranch?
You guys had that back parking lot, and everybody ran
out after him right to try to get them to
talk or whatever. And I could remember starting to run
and then I said, no, this is I am not
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running after any player anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
You have a visual of yourself.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, I said, what am I doing this man?
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Now? I mean, well, and the all timer was the
whole Jimmy and Jerry thing in ninety four. Yeah, I mean,
when we are camped out in the hallway at Valley Ranch,
how many reporters and photographers and so forth would have
been between Jimmy's office in Jerry's office all day long,
it's we're away. Yeah, it's a hallway. It's waiting for
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Jimmy to walk to Jerry's or Jerry to come out,
and Jerry leaving the for the day to go to
his car. I mean, and it was just a mob,
a pack of reporters and cameraman walking backwards as Jerry's
walking to his car. Such a great time.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
See do you think that that was appropriate? The way
it was done? It was versus now.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
You know, it seemed to be more believe it or
not controlled? Then you think so, well, if you call
it was more so than now because there was a
finite number of report of journalists right now, there's so many,
so you would you would not recommend it now I
(13:54):
would just because Yeah, but if I was, if I
was Tad Carper or anyone that's in charge of it, no, yeah,
you want to have more control of that.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
So you know, and as you see how difficult this is,
he still wants to have it here.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
You don't want Jerry or hiding in the bushes, val.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
Jim did, hiding around the locker room.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
You know, he would drive in and park in the
back by his office, right, and so everybody's there, Oh,
Jerry's there. We're going to make sure when he gets
in his car, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
So that was later, I mean, when the old Jimmy
and Jerry thing was going on.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, that I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Maybe they didn't have the gate for him to get
back there by his office because he parked right and
right in front of the main entrance.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
And so you don't sneak around lockers and stuff like jim.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Let's just I'll.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Give you one example.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
Okay, I did.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Okay, so I'm covering the Cowboys and uh, the More
News had a backup guy taken over for whoever was
the beat guy. And I realized, no, and I realized
he was with us at that time, Caryl. I realized
every locker I went to, that guy was following Yes
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horn In on my interview right right. So you know
what I started doing just walking in circles, and he
was walking in circles, wasting his time because I wasn't
gonna leave him anything.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
I was doing.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
That's how bad the competition was.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
It was, man, Oh my god, he was he would
he would hide around the corner.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
And you know, guys were in the locker.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Man, we're talking about what night before, we're talking about
day before, talking about what's going to the home, and
he is over there taking notes.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
And I thought that was I thought somebody's gonna hurt
that man.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Well, that's because you guys were in quadrants in that locker.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
Yeah, he was gonna find somewhere high. Yeah, yeah, it
was easy.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It was all right, all right, we that.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Was enough, going down memory lane, all right, heck Hecka takes.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Over the rundown.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Hey, no, no, Heckman probably remembers this because somebody brought
it up today on the radio about how they used
to decide ties in uh in high school football?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Oh back in the penetration penetration.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Yeah, I lost my first championship game penetration.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
In high school a little.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
League A nineteen seventy one by penetration, and by the penetration,
I had no I didn't even know what the word meant, Like,
how does penetration have anything to do with football?
Speaker 5 (16:42):
And as a high school football playoffs start this week.
By the way, back in our day, there was only
one team from a district that qualified for the playoffs.
The district champion qualified for the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Back good old day on the rear.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Four make it four of them. Four in a five
team district, four of them will make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, am I wasting my time? If I go see
Lewisville play Allen tomorrow night.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
No, no, no, lewis Got no, You'll be wasting your
time if you go watch three and seven Crowley go
play the number one team in the state on Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Oh wow?
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Yeah, okay, all right, heck mu's rundown when we come back.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Sure, sure, sure.
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Speaker 5 (20:00):
All right, welcome back to segment one of Mixed Shots
How Boys defense has to handle Brock Bowers and Ashton genty.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Hey, did anybody catch heckma looking as watch while we would?
Speaker 7 (20:16):
You know? I got good peripherals still and these.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Guys now, I was checking my I received the text.
I received the text while y'all were talking. So jump
in there, tiger. What do you want me to say
about nineteen sixty nine?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I don't know. I wasn't sixty nine. I've made that up.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
What you want me to do you know, I don't
know the reporter that y'all talking about hiding around the corner.
It's cool, man, it's all right man, it's I've become
used to it.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
We're just old guys standing on sitting on the porch
talking football at exactly what we're doing.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Exactly what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So before we get to that, see, do you remember
Jerry Orr?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
No, no, I do remember Terry or what am I
talking about?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, of course I do.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Yeah, he would be hiding it up in the tree.
He would climb the tree and yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Okay, run down, run down.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
So the Cowboys did activate those guys yesterday.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Yes, yes, I didn't ignore what was on the run day.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I I just thought that that was kind of news that.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
The Barbie on overshow overshown his bone.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
Ready to go? Yeah, ready to go?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Now, how much will those guys help to do?
Speaker 5 (21:33):
What? Before we Before we get into that, also, we
should mention one year Thomas has placed on injured reservest
non football illness.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Right, yes, so it is. Wow. So now it's four.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Weeks four weeks.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Yeah, man, well we were having safety problems already.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Here we go again.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
We get some guys healthy and then we lose one
year Thomas.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
That there could be a signed Donovan Wilson's gonna be
ready and Cooker and I.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Think both of opposed to. I think Schottenheimer kind of
suggested it last week that those two guys would be
ready to go this week, which is a big deal
for the Hooker part, just because of his experience and
you know, running the defense from the free free safety standpoint.
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And then those guys talked about how much maybe the
two trade guys Wilson and Williams might play. Jerry, I mean,
Jerry pointed, and we talked about it yesterday, didn't we
a little bit pointing out that they should hit the
ground running.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Those are the words that exactly and I would imagine
and I brought it up, But I think it's Phillips
from Miami.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
The way he played, the way he played against Philadelphia.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
I mean, you know, when you see that kind of
performance and the impact that he.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Made, hit him out there, hit him out there, all right.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I've been vocal about the Marvin overshown and just him
his health and looking at that, but obviously the training
staff they feel confident in him, and I think if
he hits the ground running and is eighty percent of
the player that he was before he was injured. What
an impact that would be on the defense and the
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immediate speed component that he brings to the table as well.
But Logan Wilson, for me, is the guy that I'm
locked in on just to see him our middle linebacker.
Man is it is Jack Sanborn going down being hurt
and also Murray moving over. I felt like he was
out of position a lot. He played like he was
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out of position. But if Logan Wilson can come in
and be an impact, Guys, like when I asked the
question about Ashton Genty, because you know, it's not like
he's having this spectacular season so far. But at the
same time, we know when the Cowboys come down.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Of a running perspective. Guys, I don't want to count anything.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I don't want to start talking like I'm counting anybody out.
All I'm saying is that so right now, his numbers
haven't been one where you say, hey, asking Genty is
short fire a guy that you got to pack the
line of scrimmage with. But look, they have Brock Bowers,
who is a matchup nightmare, and I worry about him
in this matchup because of the way we got safeties
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coming back from you know, ir and we know that
he's a matchup nightmare. As you go back to the
last week and I just see that Denver knows how
to take your tight ends away and they took him
away last.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Week, just put over shown on him.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
That's talk about hitting the ground running? Is that is
that is hitting the ground running one on one.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Now, Jerry said that they would manage his snaps and
he's not going to be out there full time. But
I think the point you made about Wilson, I think
he steps in and starts.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Do we think you would think?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
What't you think?
Speaker 7 (24:52):
I think? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (24:53):
I mean it's saying what you're talking about. And you
put the two coming back from injuries or in this category.
Here's where So no, we don't know where they are. Okay,
maybe they'll be ready to jump in. We don't know.
But the other Quinn Williams and Logan Wilson, they've been playing, so.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, that's not hitting the ground run tries.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
And Wilson has just enjoyed his second by Williams. Williams.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
That's why I man and Wilson has two because he
was in active of the week before. He's been out
right for a couple of weeks too, so they should
be fresh.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
I remember that when you guys asked what do you want, well,
it was covered between Quinnon and Wilson. I was a
Wilson guy in regards to I wanted a linebacker, and
so to me, when I look at how we play
defense and how defense is played, you got that d
line that you want them to do their job. You
want them to be able to take out all interference
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for your linebackers.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Well, you want your linebacker who's smart enough to detect
where that ball is going right away.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Understand and anticipate that your lineman is going to take
care of the lineman keep the defense. When I take
the offensive lineman off of his back, it gives him
a chance to be the running back of the defense.
In other words, the linebackers trying to hit the hole
just like the running back.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Fill the gap.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
Fill that gap.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
So when you I know, as a linebacker exactly where
you want to go based on that blocking scheme, I
should recognize that. And when I'm there, when I anticipate
that I'm gonna beat that line, that offensive lineman there
and I'm going to meet that running back in the hole.
That is ideal for what the light the way a
linebacker is supposed to fill the spot, right, I thought.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I thought we saw that in the game Monday night.
They pointed out how this guy did this, this guy
did that, and the linebacker Nikobe Dean was a Dean.
They pointed out he hit the gap and the offensive
lineman didn't get off fast enough taking him out right.
And I thought that was jumped that play.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I thought it was unfair because I'm saying to myself, Okay,
he has David hes Carter, he has Phillips, all these
guys up front that can Definitely it's a stalemate up front.
And although it was a slow game, I felt defensively
the matchup man, it was. It was great to watch
a slow game, the chess match between the offensive and
defensive coordinator. In this game, Pete Carroll, you watch the
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way that the Raiders play. They they overloaded the line
of scrimmage, not so much with offensive linemen, but with
tight ends, you know. So that's one thing that we
saw Denver do a lot of that overloading the line
of scrimmage. And when they I think I believe Carolina
did that as well, and we had some problems with it.
And I'm thinking, you know, the bigger question is does
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Ebra flu sudjust to that by going with what people
have been talking about the last couple of weeks, since
we had weeks, since we have Quinn Williams, do you
go to a five men front or do you stay
basic with the four with your four man front? And
if you do that, who are your starters in that defense?
Do you start with Quinn Williams Osa?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
You know, if he doesn't start, he's in on the
second series.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
And here's Williams, Yeah he's if he yeah, yeah, get
him out.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
When I talk when you talk about the defensive lineman,
I'm looking at if they put in another offensive lineman,
would say two tight ends, that's the only way I'd
go five. I would look at their personnel, right, you
know that if they're bringing in a big offensive tackle,
you know to to go in motion. I got to
bring in the five, right, But I wouldn't do that
(28:37):
necessarily unless if they come out with just two tight ends.
I'm not worried about going to five defensive line.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Well, then you just have three linebackers you trust that's right.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
And you have, yeah, you have your four lineman that
you know, the four defense line that you think can
can handle a lot.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
I don't know that the Raiders have five offensive linemen
much less.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Really at this point they're dealing with that're dealing with
some issues.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Up.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Didn't they just lose somebody?
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Sounds just like Carolina game?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Uh, but the guy steps in. It wasn't like I
came up with this great scheme to use five down line.
He was just using five because they couldn't stop him.
Right now, if Quinn Williams does his job and he
doesn't get busted out of there by a double team, right,
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and he beats it, then I got linebackers that I
trust that I can fill.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Well, that's good.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
That's what Cowboy fans are gonna absolutely get an opportunity
to see a true one tech and the guy that's
in there that won't get pushed to the to the referee.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It's gonna be a differen it's gonna be a change.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Because I remember, really the Carolina game. Was it the
Carolina game? All they did was double team both tackles
the whole game. Right, And I asked Kenny Clark, I said,
have you ever been double team that many times? And
he goes no, not even close. But they figured he's
not gonna mess this up. We're taking him out. We're
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taking him out, and we don't worry about the defensive
ends or the linebacker.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Mickey, that's what that's that should be the change right there.
Now they need to worry about them, right, that's what
I'm looking for.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Who's your who is starting next to Quinn Williams?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Who would be the other Osaye? Not Kenny Clark.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I would put Kenny Clark out there, and then when
it gets to passing downs, Osa's in the game or
somebody else that Solomon and Solomon going on. Yeah, so
they got what four guys uh that can play that
position and they're not messing around with Mazie.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Or he's gone.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah right, Toy is inactive today, right, yes?
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Right, yeah, Hey, Mozzie's one to oh is a New
York Jet. That's right? He played twenty snaps?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Did he really?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Good for him?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Did he do anything?
Speaker 5 (31:03):
I did?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Well?
Speaker 7 (31:06):
I hope he does. I'm like, you good for him?
You know, do something?
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Finally got Perry and winfree also yes, when he's ready.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
So yeah, that position. Get those guys out there, and
I don't need to play five because they were It's
not like they were playing five because they were in
a three four and the outline and linebackers were out there.
These were five defensive linemen there.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
Do uh all right?
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Who on that defensive line of those tackles have the
traits or the skill set to be a in a
four man front, a strong side defensive end where you
can have three of those guys on the field at
the same time.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
They used Kenny Clark this last game as a defensive end.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Nothing to say that you can't. You can't in a
four man front have Quinn Williams, Kenny Clark and Osa
or with Solomon as a defensive end.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You know, and enough heard.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I mean, that's the one thing that I think now
Ebraflus has at his disposal to be able to use
Osa like that, and this with the addition of Quinn Williams,
I think it's going to be interesting, right because the
number one priority in every game here forward is going
to be stopping the run.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
That's what you brought is.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Going to help your pass, right, That's what stopped the run.
Then you can get them in third and long and
you can you can actually pin your years back and
go after the quarter right.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
And that's why you bring Quinn Williams in to be
able to stop that completely. Now, as far as your
linebackers and what we were talking about coming downhill and being reactionary,
that part is what I'm relying on Logan Wilson with.
But also when we get into when we're coming after
the quarterback, who are those guys on the outside as well.
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There's so much revamping that I'm sure ebra Flus did
over the bye week. Know he's had plenty of opportunity
to go back and do the self evaluation of his defense.
What changes has he made after the bye week?
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Is Quinnin a a three down player?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I think he can be.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
I think he They don't bring him down, they don't
bring him out on third.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
That his size, what they did the Jets did against
the Cowboys. Now, remember that was a really hot and
humid day and one in fact, this was long before
the Cowboys traded for him. In the aftermath of that game,
I went and looked at when Quinnin was on the
field as it related to like the long Cowboys had
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a long thirteen or fourteen play touchdown drive and actually
Shottenneimer talking to us last week that they had to
obviously adjust their blocking and so forth when Quinn was
on the field, and they had things where when Quinn
came off the field, okay, now we're going to this,
And it was fascinating to go look back at it.
Even without that knowledge, you could see it tape, and
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in particular that one drive of thirteen play drive, Quinn
Williams was on the field for the first four plays.
He would come off for three or four plays, he
went back on for the next four and there was
a rotation like that, which isn't uncommon with defensive tackles
in the league to keep Yeah, it's a long drive.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Try or where teams are setting up, like if they're
inside their own twenty trying to come out. You got
some backups in there because you're thinking, okay, I can
hold down the fort until this gets serious. And once
they hit the forty, it's like, oh, my starters.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
And usually for a defensive tackle, you're gonna max out
at fifty snaps. I mean that is rare when a
defensive tackle gets fifty or more snaps in a game.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
So I mean we talked about gent but brock Bauers
is legit as a tight tight end. They flex him out.
I mean, he's a big wide receiver, so.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
He's gonna be he's gonna be Geno's outlet. Then, yeah,
gen if you got you gotta yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Now I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. Nope.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
But but I mean he is he is an outlet.
And brock Bowers, he hadn't been healthy all season. I
believe he played in only five games. But they have
some other guys, Trayon Tucker, Tyler Lockett. I played with
his dad, Kevin Lockett and.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Tyler Lockett.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
They just got Tyler Lockett. Yeah, he had four or
five catches last week.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Exactly, so he's won.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
He's waiting all that time.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
No, he was with Tennessee Tennessee. He asked for his
release from Tennessee and then Pete Carroll and the Raiders
signed him in any guy has a history with Gino,
so he'll be used a lot. And it really went out.
You can't really tell because it was Denver, one of
the best defenses in the league. The week before against Jacksonville,
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brock Bowers had twelve catches for one hundred and twenty
three yards and not one, not two, but three touchdowns.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Yeah, that was that was a good game.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah, first one hundred yard game of the season came
against Jackson Brown.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
So this just something to think about. You know, how
do you how do you approach that?
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Do you approach it with putting Donovan Wilson on him,
who hadn't been really good against tight ends that have wiggled.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
He just yeah, he just doesn't play man to Manuel.
He's a good zone player, but he's not a good
man the man player when it comes to.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Get over get demo out there. I mean, somebody's done something.
Because they're only two and seven, right, so you know
they haven't figured out the Rubies Q on offense.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
They won their opener against New England team and when
Lawers actually had a one hundred and three yards did he?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Yeah, one of England's New England's one of two.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
Losses up and then their only other win came against
Tennessee y ten.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Well, they reflect you in a lot of ways. I mean,
obviously their offense is a knee you know, it can't
do anything.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
They've especially without Bowers against a good defense. Indianapolis, they
lost forty to six against a good defense. Kansas City
they lost thirty one to nothing. But against Jacksonville it
was a thirty to twenty nine loss in overtime against
a good defense. In Denver, they scored seven points.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
And I felt the same way about Arizona's offense. That's something.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
And by the way, Marvin Harrison Junior just had an
emergency appendectomy. No way, timing is everything. He has that
two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Wow, kidding, No, seriously.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
No, he just had an emergency appen date. He's out
this week. Yeah, So all right, we continue with more
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Speaker 5 (40:12):
Go Bill, all right, segment two.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
Now let's move on to segment two.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
We covered it. Quentin Williams an over show the cats
the front. Good job, an you got that one. Oh
it's Wednesday, it is let's do it.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Thank you, thank you. That's why he was looking at
his wife. You guys ready to go? So, hey, guys,
listen to this. I gotta say this. So we're out
of the preliminary stage. It's time to get down to
the nitty gritty. So I really need you to use
your noodle on this one. Okay, I got some I
think this is hard. I think I went I went
deep on this one.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
So I am the number one pick in the NFL draft.
Hold on, hold on, let me get my get my
didn't have my book marks. Ready, you got hold on that.
Wait a second, Guys, in the nineteen seventy four draft,
(41:13):
you already know who I'm talking about. Mickey taking out
of Tennessee State. He wins best best nickname in the
game other than me and Joe Green. I am too
Tall Jones. All right, this player taken in the seventh
(41:33):
round of the nineteen ninety one draft. I am Leon Lett.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
Junior out of Emporia State.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Out of Emporia State. This could be easy for some guys,
hard for others. Ever since, I'll start with you.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
Two Tall Jones played with one team his entire career.
Speaker 7 (41:59):
I believe it was fifteen.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Years minus one year for boxing.
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Minus nineteen eighty. Nineteen eighty took off a boxing.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
He has more bad downs, if I'm not mistaken, than
any player in history.
Speaker 7 (42:17):
I also believe he has.
Speaker 6 (42:22):
A combination of blocks and knockdowns.
Speaker 7 (42:29):
I think he is the most in history.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I'm not going to argue with you.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
I don't know, but I only know it because he
told me this.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Okay, all right, got it from the horse's mouth, so
you okay, we'll just say it's true.
Speaker 7 (42:42):
Oh that's pretty cool. I did not know that.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Well, Bill is fact checking right now.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
That's why I'm saying it with an open end there,
open ended comment.
Speaker 7 (42:54):
God, it's easy for me.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
Yeah yeah, And I love the big cat.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
Hell yeah, I love that was a grown man and
in the world too.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
And but I mean, in my opinion, too Tall Jones
should be in the Ring of Honor.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yes, Torvey Martin that al.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Mar Now they've got on on Pro Football Reference. They've
got now the sacks were not an official stat in
the NFL untol eighty two, Is that right? Yes, they've
got on Pro Football Reference that Too Tall has had
one hundred and six sacks in his career.
Speaker 7 (43:31):
That's a lot.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
That's more than and a good number of them came
after nineteen eighty two. He had thirteen sacks in nineteen
eighty five and a ten sacks season in eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
You remember the controversy in eighty nine. He had started
I don't know how many games in a row, and
Jimmy decided that Tony Tony Tolbert was and it was
time to get him in. They weren't going anywhere with
(44:03):
these veterans in there losing, and so he was going
to start him and it was going to break Too
Tall Jones consecutive start record the franchise or.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
What two hundred and three starts in his.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Career, and and everybody, the media just jumped on it.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
The fans jumped down. No, you can't do that.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
How are you going to do that?
Speaker 5 (44:24):
You're gonna and.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
So Jimmy started him and then took him out after.
Speaker 6 (44:29):
The first enough, I remember that kept his starting sing right,
he had, you.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
Know what, I was surprised he did that.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
He agreed, and he agreed with it. Yeah, that you
kid should start because I'm not playing.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
Extremely un ed was thirty eight years old at the time.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
Yeah, yeah, and too Tall played with some some amazing athletes.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
So he just wasn't tall enough on the catch because
he was chasing.
Speaker 7 (45:02):
Yeah, don't go for the pump fake.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
It's unanimous. Too Tall Jones.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Now do you know how he got his nickname right?
When he showed up at Tennessee State. Yeah, they didn't
have they didn't have The equipment guy didn't have game
pants long enough for him because they came up to his.
Speaker 7 (45:22):
Knees or something.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
He'd have been in style nowadays. The kids over there.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
So the equipment manager said, no, you're too tall, and
it's stuck.
Speaker 7 (45:33):
And and I think he ended up.
Speaker 6 (45:36):
Is he the tallest player in NFL history? Or did
they bring in somebody who? Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 7 (45:46):
Think anyone's as any of any prominence.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
What did I just see somebody?
Speaker 7 (45:52):
It was a picture?
Speaker 5 (45:53):
Sir?
Speaker 4 (45:54):
How tall is Kalais Campbell? He hen six eight?
Speaker 7 (45:57):
You know how tall?
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Too tall?
Speaker 7 (46:02):
Anybody? That you put it from?
Speaker 5 (46:04):
Eryl CARMI go six eight that I looked him up
just when you were.
Speaker 7 (46:08):
I couldn't remember teld you that.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
Yeah he did, because I the damn guy.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
He measured him.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
How do you you cover a six eight receipt to?
Speaker 3 (46:21):
You got to get into his boxy get okay?
Speaker 5 (46:24):
So then how tall is Leon?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Six six? Yeah? Six foot six? One?
Speaker 5 (46:31):
Thing about where he I first noticed him was at
training camp in Austin and his get off was unreal,
the big cat. And I'm like, who is seventy eight?
That guy? That guy? They got to get him under
control because he is off side every play, but he
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was It wasn't offside.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
That was u which Davis is fine. He went to
Emporia to look at a think he went there to
look at a wide receiver and he saw this guy
and I don't even know if it was on football tape.
He saw him on the basketball court, but he played football,
and he goes, I need to work this guy out.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
Could you Could you imagine the temptation when you, as
a scout or coach you go see one player, the
temptation if you see another player.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I'm absolutely you didn't.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Always work out and you come back and say, coach, well,
I don't know about that guy. This guy, well, we
can take him in.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
That's why, that's why, as hecma Can attests, the transfer
portal is alive and well in football in Texas because
you want to get to the school where the college
scouts are coming out and we need to go all right,
all right, and we'll shout at you again tomorrow. Here
you're on mixed Shot.
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Here are Bill Jones, Heckma Harrison, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.
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It's time for another edition of mix Shots. Here inside
the SWBC podcast studio. Heck Ma Harrison railing you in
as it's time to talk Cowboys and uh for some
of us, get caught up on what happened yesterday on
mix Shots, and we look ahead to the Las Vegas
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Raiders on Monday night as well. Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Hecma Harrison, and the star of the show, Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So you didn't listen to us yes today? Why do
you got to catch up listening?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
We were busy elsewhere in the metro Plex yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Why what happened?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
The firing? Nico?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
No more fire? Nico chants around this place, unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
I'm sure he'll be wherever he walks, Well, he walked,
follow him wherever he goes, everywhere except for Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Probably they're praising.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Him in l a he's a hero, checking to see
if he's been hired there yet.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Rob him, Well, nobody wants me here, I'll go there.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
You think Rob and him made a deal another deal,
or maybe they made that deal before he made the
other deal because he knew what was gonna happen once
he made that deal.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
If he ends up in Los Angeles, then yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
You know, he just gave up pretenses.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
That move going to help him win tonight.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
They do have a game tonight against the Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
It has not helped them yet.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Yeah, three and eight, three and eight, Yeah, well they no,
I mean that they fired him.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
That's gonna oh, it's gonna turn this. It's going to
turn the seasonally.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Yeah right, yeah, like he was the only one that
had anything to do with that decision.
Speaker 7 (02:18):
Yeah yeah, it was just me, guys, I did all
by myself.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, full guarantee you. What happened was that it got
out that everybody used it that behind the scenes. He
wasn't here for long, and then they decided, well we
can't put up with that.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
We're just gonna get rid of them.
Speaker 7 (02:37):
Yeah. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
He seemed to be a little bit of a prima
Donald that was the word that was out there, and
so you know they got rid of them.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
The decision had to have been made before Monday night.
But when you were when the team is in a
close game shooting free throws in the fourth quarter, like
thirty seconds left of the year, and all you here
in the arena is fire Nico. Something's got to be done.
Speaker 7 (03:05):
And then he misses the free throw so needed to.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
When he needed to make all three.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
Nico.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Nico got Anthony Davis hurt too, and Nico got Kyrie
and everything, everything, every.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
Everything is fine.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So all right, and don't worry about all the moves
he made to get him to the points that everybody.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Right, I mean, if you look at it, if wow,
something positive, well he somebody's got to say something positive.
Up up until February first thinks we're going Okay, he was.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
The star of the show.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Try got into the UNBA finals. Okay, there's a freak
stalk for you. Enough of that, all right, So what
do we need to know today? We got a Brian
shot nyberpress conference coming up right when we get done
at one o'clock today.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
First time he's spoken publicly, Yeah, Jerry or steven On
was it Monday, Jerry on Tuesday, and then Shody in
an hour.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Steven and Jerry were on the radio both Monday and Tuesday.
And so this is the first time that there's a
press conference, right.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Uh, there was a private memorial service last night at
the Ford Center family friends players I did not, staff
members did. Yeah, it was pretty private. But yeah, they
did do that.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So that was it was.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
It was pretty movie.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
You were there, Yeah, okay, it was pretty movie. So anyway,
they did do that for the family and friends a
bunch of them too, by the way. So yeah, so
as far as the players are concerned, they got back
on Monday, right, and they had meeting on Monday. They
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were here part of the day yesterday and then returned
for the memorial service.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
And this is a player's day off right today. This
is like Tuesday, yep. So with a Monday night game,
tomorrow is the Thursday is like a Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
So practice Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and charter flight on Sunday.
And I don't know if I can't remember if they
were doing things here beforehand before they got on charter flights,
because they used to kind of do a walk through
sometimes that day you know what they used to do.
(05:50):
They would do when Jimmy got here, they would do
a walk through at the wherever they were going at
the stadium until they got to one year r f
K and they locked them out and couldn't get in.
Philadelphia used to do that.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
He was.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
He was pissed when the locked out of Philly.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Well, that's that's it was a typical thing. As we
go in the way back machine, hechma back to the
to the eighties, and teams used to do that all
the time, where they would do a walk They would
fly in and go to the stadium, check out the field,
check out the field, do a walk through at the stadium.
College teams would do that all exactly. That's just but yeah,
(06:35):
y'all do that, yeah.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And then and then when you didn't know if you're
going to get in the stadium or not, they would
do it out in the parking lot or the ballroom.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I've never heard of them being locked out, though, locked
out of the state. And then that's a pretty cold
work right there. And I would expect Philly, Philly, absolutely,
that sounds about right.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Everybody showed up on the bus and they couldn't get in.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Back in the days, college stadiums weren't locked up now
they are. Yeah, I mean you could get in there.
We would get into I.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Did that in college. We would go, Yeah, walk the
field in college a little bit.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Gets get used to the atmosphere and what you're facing.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
I don't recall doing that in the pros at all.
I don't recalled Jimmy, but Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I don't know. I don't remember.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
I remember being on road trips covering the Cowboys and
the Jimmy era, and we would get in town the
day before and we would show in our rental car
and we'd go to the stadium to get video of
the team walking in for the walkthrough and stuff like that.
One of my favorite memories in my career goes back
(07:43):
to when I was working in Lubbock and SMU's Pony
Express came to Lubbock to play Texas Tech with Eric
Dickerson and Craig James beat.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
They came to beat Texas to Well.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
That was a crazy game. That was the game that
Tech had a lead in the final seconds of the
game and they ran the kickoff return throwback past to
Bobby Leach. He goes down the sideline right in front
of the Texas Tech bench to win the game, and
sim was right number two in the country. I remember that, Yeah,
(08:15):
it was. It was the same day as the Cal
Stanford kickoff returned through the band as a tuba player.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That was eighty eighty two.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
I think that's what it was. And uh And in fact,
as I digress, the Tennessee Titans play where Alan Lowry
was a special teams coach for the for the Titans
against the Buffalo Bills, Wade Phillips.
Speaker 8 (08:40):
Would have been eighty seven, was it the number eighty seven?
Frank Whitechek was number so I'm going to have received
it not the one that right. No, Alan Lowry was
a special teams coach with the Cowboys back in the
early eighties. Okay, he when he ran that play mirror
the Music City Miracle, he said after the game that
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I've kept that play in my hip pocket ever since.
SMU ran it against Texas te in.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Nineteen two, the throwback to Bobby Leach down the sideline,
but the whole go ahead.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I was gonna say, what year did that take place?
With it with the Titans.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Two thousand maybe something in that range.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
We were on the tarmac watching it on the phone
because we had just landed wherever we were going, right,
we just got off the chart flop.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
I've been ninety nine and we were Cowboys, would have
been in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
We were watching it on the tarmac.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
But the reason I bring that up is SMU came
into town the Friday before the game, and myself and
my photographer, the ABC affiliate Lovebook, we go out there
and we were able to interview Eric Dickerson and Craig James.
Bobby Collins was the coach at SMU all the day
before the game. That would be unheard of today. I mean,
(09:59):
now everything is so restricted. They only make players available
in certain days if they make them available at all.
And here we are interviewing Craig James and Eric Dickerson
the day before the game.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Everson knows all about that. It's Saint Louis. We brought
it up the other day.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
That's right, Yeah, that was that was That was two
hours before the game, So MYDAYNFE.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Look, whose fault do you think it is? Who are
they to blame for the change.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Right where we don't have any access anymore?
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Is it the players for doing silly things or is
it the media themselves? It had everyone.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
It happened with the Cowboys. I would blame one of
my favorite players with the Cowboys, Michael Irvan, in our access.
Our access at Valley Ranch was cut off once in
nineteen ninety six when Michael had his what things things
that were going on?
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Ever, you made several several things, not just one moment.
There was several.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Moments when helicopters were hovering over Valley Ranch. That's when
we couldn't park in the players parking lot anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
And he walked into my office one day before he
walked out the ranch and sat down and goes, why
is everybody picking on me? I was like I had
to turn into father confessor or you know, listen to
his confession.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Right.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
It was unbelievable. It's like, but that's the access we
had well, And it was the same not only with football,
but with the Mavericks. It's like, for example, yesterday, I mean,
we have a photographer who's outside the Mavericks practice facility
and there were other photographers from other TV stations and
they're outside a gated, you know, blocked off parking lot
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and they get this this video of Nico Harrison leaving
the office and getting in his car whatever. Well, back
in the day when the Mavericks practice over here off
Welch Road, Donald Carter's warehouse, he was a former owner
of the team. For those who don't know, we would
be we would park right next to Blackman or Derek
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Harper or whatever, and we'd have our camera out and
as soon as they walk out of the building, we've
got a camera right in. And they didn't mind it.
It was no big deal. I mean, we had such
a great relationship with the players.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Well, do you remember when Herschel got traded at the Ranch?
You guys had that back parking lot, and everybody ran
out after him right to try to get them to
talk or whatever. And I could remember starting to run
and then I said, no, this is I am not
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running after any player anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
You have a visual of yourself.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, I said, what am I doing this man?
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Now? I mean, well, and the all timer was the
whole Jimmy and Jerry thing in ninety four. Yeah, I mean,
when we are camped out in the hallway at Valley Ranch,
how many reporters and photographers and so forth would have
been between Jimmy's office in Jerry's office all day long,
it's we're away. Yeah, it's a hallway. It's waiting for
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Jimmy to walk to Jerry's or Jerry to come out,
and Jerry leaving the for the day to go to
his car. I mean, and it was just a mob,
a pack of reporters and cameraman walking backwards as Jerry's
walking to his car. Such a great time.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
See do you think that that was appropriate? The way
it was done? It was versus now.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
You know, it seemed to be more believe it or
not controlled? Then you think so, well, if you call
it was more so than now because there was a
finite number of report of journalists right now, there's so many,
so you would you would not recommend it now I
(13:54):
would just because Yeah, but if I was, if I
was Tad Carper or anyone that's in charge of it, no, yeah,
you want to have more control of that.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
So you know, and as you see how difficult this is,
he still wants to have it here.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
You don't want Jerry or hiding in the bushes, val.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
Jim did, hiding around the locker room.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
You know, he would drive in and park in the
back by his office, right, and so everybody's there, Oh,
Jerry's there. We're going to make sure when he gets
in his car, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
So that was later, I mean, when the old Jimmy
and Jerry thing was going on.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, that I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Maybe they didn't have the gate for him to get
back there by his office because he parked right and
right in front of the main entrance.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
And so you don't sneak around lockers and stuff like jim.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Let's just I'll.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Give you one example.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
Okay, I did.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Okay, so I'm covering the Cowboys and uh, the More
News had a backup guy taken over for whoever was
the beat guy. And I realized, no, and I realized
he was with us at that time, Caryl. I realized
every locker I went to, that guy was following Yes
(15:19):
horn In on my interview right right. So you know
what I started doing just walking in circles, and he
was walking in circles, wasting his time because I wasn't
gonna leave him anything.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
I was doing.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
That's how bad the competition was.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
It was, man, Oh my god, he was he would
he would hide around the corner.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
And you know, guys were in the locker.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Man, we're talking about what night before, we're talking about
day before, talking about what's going to the home, and
he is over there taking notes.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
And I thought that was I thought somebody's gonna hurt
that man.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Well, that's because you guys were in quadrants in that locker.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
Yeah, he was gonna find somewhere high. Yeah, yeah, it
was easy.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It was all right, all right, we that.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Was enough, going down memory lane, all right, heck Hecka takes.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Over the rundown.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Hey, no, no, Heckman probably remembers this because somebody brought
it up today on the radio about how they used
to decide ties in uh in high school football?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Oh back in the penetration penetration.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Yeah, I lost my first championship game penetration.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
In high school a little.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
League A nineteen seventy one by penetration, and by the penetration,
I had no I didn't even know what the word meant, Like,
how does penetration have anything to do with football?
Speaker 5 (16:42):
And as a high school football playoffs start this week.
By the way, back in our day, there was only
one team from a district that qualified for the playoffs.
The district champion qualified for the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Back good old day on the rear.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Four make it four of them. Four in a five
team district, four of them will make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, am I wasting my time? If I go see
Lewisville play Allen tomorrow night.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
No, no, no, lewis Got no, You'll be wasting your
time if you go watch three and seven Crowley go
play the number one team in the state on Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Oh wow?
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Yeah, okay, all right, heck mu's rundown when we come back.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Sure, sure, sure.
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Speaker 5 (20:00):
All right, welcome back to segment one of Mixed Shots
How Boys defense has to handle Brock Bowers and Ashton genty.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Hey, did anybody catch heckma looking as watch while we would?
Speaker 7 (20:16):
You know? I got good peripherals still and these.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Guys now, I was checking my I received the text.
I received the text while y'all were talking. So jump
in there, tiger. What do you want me to say
about nineteen sixty nine?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I don't know. I wasn't sixty nine. I've made that up.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
What you want me to do you know, I don't
know the reporter that y'all talking about hiding around the corner.
It's cool, man, it's all right man, it's I've become
used to it.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
We're just old guys standing on sitting on the porch
talking football at exactly what we're doing.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Exactly what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So before we get to that, see, do you remember
Jerry Orr?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
No, no, I do remember Terry or what am I
talking about?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, of course I do.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Yeah, he would be hiding it up in the tree.
He would climb the tree and yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Okay, run down, run down.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
So the Cowboys did activate those guys yesterday.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Yes, yes, I didn't ignore what was on the run day.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I I just thought that that was kind of news that.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
The Barbie on overshow overshown his bone.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
Ready to go? Yeah, ready to go?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Now, how much will those guys help to do?
Speaker 5 (21:33):
What? Before we Before we get into that, also, we
should mention one year Thomas has placed on injured reservest
non football illness.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Right, yes, so it is. Wow. So now it's four.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Weeks four weeks.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Yeah, man, well we were having safety problems already.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Here we go again.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
We get some guys healthy and then we lose one
year Thomas.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
That there could be a signed Donovan Wilson's gonna be
ready and Cooker and I.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Think both of opposed to. I think Schottenheimer kind of
suggested it last week that those two guys would be
ready to go this week, which is a big deal
for the Hooker part, just because of his experience and
you know, running the defense from the free free safety standpoint.
(22:20):
And then those guys talked about how much maybe the
two trade guys Wilson and Williams might play. Jerry, I mean,
Jerry pointed, and we talked about it yesterday, didn't we
a little bit pointing out that they should hit the
ground running.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Those are the words that exactly and I would imagine
and I brought it up, But I think it's Phillips
from Miami.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
The way he played, the way he played against Philadelphia.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
I mean, you know, when you see that kind of
performance and the impact that he.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Made, hit him out there, hit him out there, all right.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I've been vocal about the Marvin overshown and just him
his health and looking at that, but obviously the training
staff they feel confident in him, and I think if
he hits the ground running and is eighty percent of
the player that he was before he was injured. What
an impact that would be on the defense and the
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immediate speed component that he brings to the table as well.
But Logan Wilson, for me, is the guy that I'm
locked in on just to see him our middle linebacker.
Man is it is Jack Sanborn going down being hurt
and also Murray moving over. I felt like he was
out of position a lot. He played like he was
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out of position. But if Logan Wilson can come in
and be an impact, Guys, like when I asked the
question about Ashton Genty, because you know, it's not like
he's having this spectacular season so far. But at the
same time, we know when the Cowboys come down.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Of a running perspective. Guys, I don't want to count anything.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I don't want to start talking like I'm counting anybody out.
All I'm saying is that so right now, his numbers
haven't been one where you say, hey, asking Genty is
short fire a guy that you got to pack the
line of scrimmage with. But look, they have Brock Bowers,
who is a matchup nightmare, and I worry about him
in this matchup because of the way we got safeties
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coming back from you know, ir and we know that
he's a matchup nightmare. As you go back to the
last week and I just see that Denver knows how
to take your tight ends away and they took him
away last.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Week, just put over shown on him.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
That's talk about hitting the ground running? Is that is
that is hitting the ground running one on one.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Now, Jerry said that they would manage his snaps and
he's not going to be out there full time. But
I think the point you made about Wilson, I think
he steps in and starts.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Do we think you would think?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
What't you think?
Speaker 7 (24:52):
I think? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (24:53):
I mean it's saying what you're talking about. And you
put the two coming back from injuries or in this category.
Here's where So no, we don't know where they are. Okay,
maybe they'll be ready to jump in. We don't know.
But the other Quinn Williams and Logan Wilson, they've been playing, so.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, that's not hitting the ground run tries.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
And Wilson has just enjoyed his second by Williams. Williams.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
That's why I man and Wilson has two because he
was in active of the week before. He's been out
right for a couple of weeks too, so they should
be fresh.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
I remember that when you guys asked what do you want, well,
it was covered between Quinnon and Wilson. I was a
Wilson guy in regards to I wanted a linebacker, and
so to me, when I look at how we play
defense and how defense is played, you got that d
line that you want them to do their job. You
want them to be able to take out all interference
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for your linebackers.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Well, you want your linebacker who's smart enough to detect
where that ball is going right away.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Understand and anticipate that your lineman is going to take
care of the lineman keep the defense. When I take
the offensive lineman off of his back, it gives him
a chance to be the running back of the defense.
In other words, the linebackers trying to hit the hole
just like the running back.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Fill the gap.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
Fill that gap.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
So when you I know, as a linebacker exactly where
you want to go based on that blocking scheme, I
should recognize that. And when I'm there, when I anticipate
that I'm gonna beat that line, that offensive lineman there
and I'm going to meet that running back in the hole.
That is ideal for what the light the way a
linebacker is supposed to fill the spot, right, I thought.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I thought we saw that in the game Monday night.
They pointed out how this guy did this, this guy
did that, and the linebacker Nikobe Dean was a Dean.
They pointed out he hit the gap and the offensive
lineman didn't get off fast enough taking him out right.
And I thought that was jumped that play.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I thought it was unfair because I'm saying to myself, Okay,
he has David hes Carter, he has Phillips, all these
guys up front that can Definitely it's a stalemate up front.
And although it was a slow game, I felt defensively
the matchup man, it was. It was great to watch
a slow game, the chess match between the offensive and
defensive coordinator. In this game, Pete Carroll, you watch the
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way that the Raiders play. They they overloaded the line
of scrimmage, not so much with offensive linemen, but with
tight ends, you know. So that's one thing that we
saw Denver do a lot of that overloading the line
of scrimmage. And when they I think I believe Carolina
did that as well, and we had some problems with it.
And I'm thinking, you know, the bigger question is does
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Ebra flu sudjust to that by going with what people
have been talking about the last couple of weeks, since
we had weeks, since we have Quinn Williams, do you
go to a five men front or do you stay
basic with the four with your four man front? And
if you do that, who are your starters in that defense?
Do you start with Quinn Williams Osa?
Speaker 3 (28:00):
You know, if he doesn't start, he's in on the
second series.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
And here's Williams, Yeah he's if he yeah, yeah, get
him out.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
When I talk when you talk about the defensive lineman,
I'm looking at if they put in another offensive lineman,
would say two tight ends, that's the only way I'd
go five. I would look at their personnel, right, you
know that if they're bringing in a big offensive tackle,
you know to to go in motion. I got to
bring in the five, right, But I wouldn't do that
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necessarily unless if they come out with just two tight ends.
I'm not worried about going to five defensive line.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Well, then you just have three linebackers you trust that's right.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
And you have, yeah, you have your four lineman that
you know, the four defense line that you think can
can handle a lot.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
I don't know that the Raiders have five offensive linemen
much less.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Really at this point they're dealing with that're dealing with
some issues.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Up.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Didn't they just lose somebody?
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Sounds just like Carolina game?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Uh, but the guy steps in. It wasn't like I
came up with this great scheme to use five down line.
He was just using five because they couldn't stop him.
Right now, if Quinn Williams does his job and he
doesn't get busted out of there by a double team, right,
(29:25):
and he beats it, then I got linebackers that I
trust that I can fill.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Well, that's good.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
That's what Cowboy fans are gonna absolutely get an opportunity
to see a true one tech and the guy that's
in there that won't get pushed to the to the referee.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It's gonna be a differen it's gonna be a change.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Because I remember, really the Carolina game. Was it the
Carolina game? All they did was double team both tackles
the whole game. Right, And I asked Kenny Clark, I said,
have you ever been double team that many times? And
he goes no, not even close. But they figured he's
not gonna mess this up. We're taking him out. We're
(30:03):
taking him out, and we don't worry about the defensive
ends or the linebacker.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Mickey, that's what that's that should be the change right there.
Now they need to worry about them, right, that's what
I'm looking for.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Who's your who is starting next to Quinn Williams?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Who would be the other Osaye? Not Kenny Clark.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I would put Kenny Clark out there, and then when
it gets to passing downs, Osa's in the game or
somebody else that Solomon and Solomon going on. Yeah, so
they got what four guys uh that can play that
position and they're not messing around with Mazie.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Or he's gone.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah right, Toy is inactive today, right, yes?
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Right, yeah, Hey, Mozzie's one to oh is a New
York Jet. That's right? He played twenty snaps?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Did he really?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Good for him?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Did he do anything?
Speaker 5 (31:03):
I did?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Well?
Speaker 7 (31:06):
I hope he does. I'm like, you good for him?
You know, do something?
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Finally got Perry and winfree also yes, when he's ready.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
So yeah, that position. Get those guys out there, and
I don't need to play five because they were It's
not like they were playing five because they were in
a three four and the outline and linebackers were out there.
These were five defensive linemen there.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
Do uh all right?
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Who on that defensive line of those tackles have the
traits or the skill set to be a in a
four man front, a strong side defensive end where you
can have three of those guys on the field at
the same time.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
They used Kenny Clark this last game as a defensive end.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Nothing to say that you can't. You can't in a
four man front have Quinn Williams, Kenny Clark and Osa
or with Solomon as a defensive end.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You know, and enough heard.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I mean, that's the one thing that I think now
Ebraflus has at his disposal to be able to use
Osa like that, and this with the addition of Quinn Williams,
I think it's going to be interesting, right because the
number one priority in every game here forward is going
to be stopping the run.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
That's what you brought is.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Going to help your pass, right, That's what stopped the run.
Then you can get them in third and long and
you can you can actually pin your years back and
go after the quarter right.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
And that's why you bring Quinn Williams in to be
able to stop that completely. Now, as far as your
linebackers and what we were talking about coming downhill and being reactionary,
that part is what I'm relying on Logan Wilson with.
But also when we get into when we're coming after
the quarterback, who are those guys on the outside as well.
(32:55):
There's so much revamping that I'm sure ebra Flus did
over the bye week. Know he's had plenty of opportunity
to go back and do the self evaluation of his defense.
What changes has he made after the bye week?
Speaker 6 (33:07):
Is Quinnin a a three down player?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I think he can be.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
I think he They don't bring him down, they don't
bring him out on third.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
That his size, what they did the Jets did against
the Cowboys. Now, remember that was a really hot and
humid day and one in fact, this was long before
the Cowboys traded for him. In the aftermath of that game,
I went and looked at when Quinnin was on the
field as it related to like the long Cowboys had
(33:38):
a long thirteen or fourteen play touchdown drive and actually
Shottenneimer talking to us last week that they had to
obviously adjust their blocking and so forth when Quinn was
on the field, and they had things where when Quinn
came off the field, okay, now we're going to this,
And it was fascinating to go look back at it.
Even without that knowledge, you could see it tape, and
(34:01):
in particular that one drive of thirteen play drive, Quinn
Williams was on the field for the first four plays.
He would come off for three or four plays, he
went back on for the next four and there was
a rotation like that, which isn't uncommon with defensive tackles
in the league to keep Yeah, it's a long drive.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Try or where teams are setting up, like if they're
inside their own twenty trying to come out. You got
some backups in there because you're thinking, okay, I can
hold down the fort until this gets serious. And once
they hit the forty, it's like, oh, my starters.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
And usually for a defensive tackle, you're gonna max out
at fifty snaps. I mean that is rare when a
defensive tackle gets fifty or more snaps in a game.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
So I mean we talked about gent but brock Bauers
is legit as a tight tight end. They flex him out.
I mean, he's a big wide receiver, so.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
He's gonna be he's gonna be Geno's outlet. Then, yeah,
gen if you got you gotta yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Now I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. Nope.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
But but I mean he is he is an outlet.
And brock Bowers, he hadn't been healthy all season. I
believe he played in only five games. But they have
some other guys, Trayon Tucker, Tyler Lockett. I played with
his dad, Kevin Lockett and.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Tyler Lockett.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
They just got Tyler Lockett. Yeah, he had four or
five catches last week.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Exactly, so he's won.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
He's waiting all that time.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
No, he was with Tennessee Tennessee. He asked for his
release from Tennessee and then Pete Carroll and the Raiders
signed him in any guy has a history with Gino,
so he'll be used a lot. And it really went out.
You can't really tell because it was Denver, one of
the best defenses in the league. The week before against Jacksonville,
(35:48):
brock Bowers had twelve catches for one hundred and twenty
three yards and not one, not two, but three touchdowns.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Yeah, that was that was a good game.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah, first one hundred yard game of the season came
against Jackson Brown.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
So this just something to think about. You know, how
do you how do you approach that?
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Do you approach it with putting Donovan Wilson on him,
who hadn't been really good against tight ends that have wiggled.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
He just yeah, he just doesn't play man to Manuel.
He's a good zone player, but he's not a good
man the man player when it comes to.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Get over get demo out there. I mean, somebody's done something.
Because they're only two and seven, right, so you know
they haven't figured out the Rubies Q on offense.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
They won their opener against New England team and when
Lawers actually had a one hundred and three yards did he?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Yeah, one of England's New England's one of two.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
Losses up and then their only other win came against
Tennessee y ten.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Well, they reflect you in a lot of ways. I mean,
obviously their offense is a knee you know, it can't
do anything.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
They've especially without Bowers against a good defense. Indianapolis, they
lost forty to six against a good defense. Kansas City
they lost thirty one to nothing. But against Jacksonville it
was a thirty to twenty nine loss in overtime against
a good defense. In Denver, they scored seven points.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
And I felt the same way about Arizona's offense. That's something.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
And by the way, Marvin Harrison Junior just had an
emergency appendectomy. No way, timing is everything. He has that
two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Wow, kidding, No, seriously.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
No, he just had an emergency appen date. He's out
this week. Yeah, So all right, we continue with more
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Speaker 5 (40:12):
Go Bill, all right, segment two.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
Now let's move on to segment two.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
We covered it. Quentin Williams an over show the cats
the front. Good job, an you got that one. Oh
it's Wednesday, it is let's do it.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Thank you, thank you. That's why he was looking at
his wife. You guys ready to go? So, hey, guys,
listen to this. I gotta say this. So we're out
of the preliminary stage. It's time to get down to
the nitty gritty. So I really need you to use
your noodle on this one. Okay, I got some I
think this is hard. I think I went I went
deep on this one.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
So I am the number one pick in the NFL draft.
Hold on, hold on, let me get my get my
didn't have my book marks. Ready, you got hold on that.
Wait a second, Guys, in the nineteen seventy four draft,
(41:13):
you already know who I'm talking about. Mickey taking out
of Tennessee State. He wins best best nickname in the
game other than me and Joe Green. I am too
Tall Jones. All right, this player taken in the seventh
(41:33):
round of the nineteen ninety one draft. I am Leon Lett.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
Junior out of Emporia State.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Out of Emporia State. This could be easy for some guys,
hard for others. Ever since, I'll start with you.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
Two Tall Jones played with one team his entire career.
Speaker 7 (41:59):
I believe it was fifteen.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Years minus one year for boxing.
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Minus nineteen eighty. Nineteen eighty took off a boxing.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
He has more bad downs, if I'm not mistaken, than
any player in history.
Speaker 7 (42:17):
I also believe he has.
Speaker 6 (42:22):
A combination of blocks and knockdowns.
Speaker 7 (42:29):
I think he is the most in history.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I'm not going to argue with you.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
I don't know, but I only know it because he
told me this.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Okay, all right, got it from the horse's mouth, so
you okay, we'll just say it's true.
Speaker 7 (42:42):
Oh that's pretty cool. I did not know that.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Well, Bill is fact checking right now.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
That's why I'm saying it with an open end there,
open ended comment.
Speaker 7 (42:54):
God, it's easy for me.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
Yeah yeah, And I love the big cat.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
Hell yeah, I love that was a grown man and
in the world too.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
And but I mean, in my opinion, too Tall Jones
should be in the Ring of Honor.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yes, Torvey Martin that al.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Mar Now they've got on on Pro Football Reference. They've
got now the sacks were not an official stat in
the NFL untol eighty two, Is that right? Yes, they've
got on Pro Football Reference that Too Tall has had
one hundred and six sacks in his career.
Speaker 7 (43:31):
That's a lot.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
That's more than and a good number of them came
after nineteen eighty two. He had thirteen sacks in nineteen
eighty five and a ten sacks season in eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
You remember the controversy in eighty nine. He had started
I don't know how many games in a row, and
Jimmy decided that Tony Tony Tolbert was and it was
time to get him in. They weren't going anywhere with
(44:03):
these veterans in there losing, and so he was going
to start him and it was going to break Too
Tall Jones consecutive start record the franchise or.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
What two hundred and three starts in his.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Career, and and everybody, the media just jumped on it.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
The fans jumped down. No, you can't do that.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
How are you going to do that?
Speaker 5 (44:24):
You're gonna and.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
So Jimmy started him and then took him out after.
Speaker 6 (44:29):
The first enough, I remember that kept his starting sing right,
he had, you.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
Know what, I was surprised he did that.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
He agreed, and he agreed with it. Yeah, that you
kid should start because I'm not playing.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
Extremely un ed was thirty eight years old at the time.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
Yeah, yeah, and too Tall played with some some amazing athletes.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
So he just wasn't tall enough on the catch because
he was chasing.
Speaker 7 (45:02):
Yeah, don't go for the pump fake.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
It's unanimous. Too Tall Jones.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Now do you know how he got his nickname right?
When he showed up at Tennessee State. Yeah, they didn't
have they didn't have The equipment guy didn't have game
pants long enough for him because they came up to his.
Speaker 7 (45:22):
Knees or something.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
He'd have been in style nowadays. The kids over there.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
So the equipment manager said, no, you're too tall, and
it's stuck.
Speaker 7 (45:33):
And and I think he ended up.
Speaker 6 (45:36):
Is he the tallest player in NFL history? Or did
they bring in somebody who? Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 7 (45:46):
Think anyone's as any of any prominence.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
What did I just see somebody?
Speaker 7 (45:52):
It was a picture?
Speaker 5 (45:53):
Sir?
Speaker 4 (45:54):
How tall is Kalais Campbell? He hen six eight?
Speaker 7 (45:57):
You know how tall?
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Too tall?
Speaker 7 (46:02):
Anybody? That you put it from?
Speaker 5 (46:04):
Eryl CARMI go six eight that I looked him up
just when you were.
Speaker 7 (46:08):
I couldn't remember teld you that.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
Yeah he did, because I the damn guy.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
He measured him.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
How do you you cover a six eight receipt to?
Speaker 3 (46:21):
You got to get into his boxy get okay?
Speaker 5 (46:24):
So then how tall is Leon?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Six six? Yeah? Six foot six? One?
Speaker 5 (46:31):
Thing about where he I first noticed him was at
training camp in Austin and his get off was unreal,
the big cat. And I'm like, who is seventy eight?
That guy? That guy? They got to get him under
control because he is off side every play, but he
(46:51):
was It wasn't offside.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
That was u which Davis is fine. He went to
Emporia to look at a think he went there to
look at a wide receiver and he saw this guy
and I don't even know if it was on football tape.
He saw him on the basketball court, but he played football,
and he goes, I need to work this guy out.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
Could you Could you imagine the temptation when you, as
a scout or coach you go see one player, the
temptation if you see another player.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I'm absolutely you didn't.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Always work out and you come back and say, coach, well,
I don't know about that guy. This guy, well, we
can take him in.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
That's why, that's why, as hecma Can attests, the transfer
portal is alive and well in football in Texas because
you want to get to the school where the college
scouts are coming out and we need to go all right,
all right, and we'll shout at you again tomorrow. Here
you're on mixed Shot.
Speaker 9 (47:53):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
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