March 5, 2025 • 29 mins
Get ready for some of the wildest stories you've ever heard! Derek Hayes of the Monsters Among Us podcast joins Haunted AF this week to share some of his favorite scary stories and to talk about his latest documentary. He also told us what is now our all-time favorite Bigfoot story, so stay to the end for that! Remember to find exclusive, ad-free content on our Patreon page & that you can watch episodes on YouTube. Haunted AF will not be releasing a video or companion blog next week because we're looking back at some of our best stories from the Covid shutdown. Make sure you listen to that but we'll be back to normal on March 20th. In the meantime, don't forget to send your scary stories to hauntedafpodcast@gmail.com so we can use them on the next Haunted AF!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I have got some ghost stories for you.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm hearing these voices, but there's nobody else around.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I don't like the skeleton man. He's so mean to me,
and he bites me at night.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
And suddenly this stool, completely of its own volition, slid
good to maybe three feet out into the center of
the bar. He walks towards the ocean, and he gets
to the water. He just disappeared.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I feel someone run their hand under my butt cheek,
just sliding under my butt.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
So that is my ghost story.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Really hard.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Hi, and welcome to Honiday Up. The podcast are real
ghost stories, told by real people. We are your hosts.
I'm Julie Fiss and I'm Rebecca Black, and we've got
a special surprise for everybody this week. We found Derek
Hayes from The Monsters among us podcasts recently when he
shared a real on Instagram that looked so much like
a video that we shared back in the fall. Yeah,
(00:58):
that was crazy. Yep. We reached out well for a
chat and this man brought his a game of spooky stories.
They're amazing, yep, including one that is now our all
time favorite in the pantheon.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Of freaky stories that we have shared. You have to
stick around to the end for that one. But before that, though,
we need to thank our newest patron, Jess Commote.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
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Speaker 4 (01:18):
To become a patron, and you can get years of
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Speaker 2 (01:27):
We're also going to do something a little different next week.
I don't know if you realized it, but we're coming
up on the five year anniversary of the COVID shutdown.
How How has it been five years? Isn't that wild?
That was a huge time for us because everybody was
stuck in their houses and sending us scary stories. In fact,
we got some of our favorites in the first few
months of COVID, and we thought it would be a
(01:48):
good time to reshare those.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
We were still in the early phases of the podcast
game at that point, though, so we weren't posting YouTube videos, pregames,
or even the companion blogs. That means that next week
will be audio only. Sorry about that, but everything else
will return on March twentieth.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, just pretend like you're back in I don't know,
twenty eighteen or something where you just listen to.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Podcasts, right, it was just the original podcasting. Yeah, no video,
no nothing, just voices OGP.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So excited to be joined today by Derek Hay's, host
of The Monsters among us podcasts, also Travel Channel's Paranormal
Caught on Tape. He's been telling scary stories on his
podcast since twenty sixteen, so I know you have loads
of them. Welcome to Haunted af The Derek Hays Woo.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
For having me. I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, thank you for joining us. We've actually been trying
to set this up for like a couple of months. Yeah,
so so, thank you so much. And we actually, well
we found you because of your podcast, but you came
to our attention recently because on Instagram you shared a
video that was very similar to something that we got
from someone completely different. And we'll talk about that in
(02:57):
a little bit, but we have so many we want
to ask you.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
First, tell us a little bit about your podcast.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Sure, well, it's a call in show, which is kind
of odd for a podcast, but essentially it's it's like
a voicemail show. It's not really like I don't talk
to the to the callers that call in, they leave
a voicemail. They tell their story in their own words.
You know, we edit it down to make it sound great.
You know, it's the best call you've ever heard. We
throw it up on the air and I do a
little commentary about it. We compare it to historical cases,
(03:26):
we compare to other calls we've received over the years,
that sort of thing, and we just have a good time.
We share I don't know, like fifteen calls in episode
something like that. So it covers a gambit from bigfoot
UFOs to ghost psychic ability with just anything strange and unusual.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Really, which is right up our alley. In fact, you
inspired us with your one eight hundred number when I
saw that.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, so I'm trying to use the same system, but
I'm stupid and it's very hard for me to set
things up. So we're still in the process of that.
First of all, look at that hat Monsters among Us
with Mothman on it. Do you have that available in
an online store?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, yeah, it's in our shop, but our website Monsters
among Us podcast dot com.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Since your podcast is it's monsters among Us. Even though
you cover all kinds of topics, I want to start
with monsters among us. Do you feel it's possible that
there might be actual monsters like living in human skins
among us, Like we've heard about the whole lizard people
thing for a million years. Do you think there is
any possibility for that? And for the record, like Rebecca
(04:28):
and I joke around about a lot of things, but
we also try to leave a lot of space for
anything being possible.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
No, No, I think the answer is one hundred percent yes.
It just depends on what those things are, you know,
and not every single paranormal story can be true. In fact,
most of them aren't. There you know, misidentifications, they're hoaxes
or psychotic episode. There's all sorts of reasons that people
could see something strange, but there is that small, I
don't know, two three percent that it's got to be
(04:57):
something else, and you're that be sasquatching. I've seen some
videos out there that are kind of convincing, and I've
heard some stories, certainly on my show that if the
person's not lying, they're certainly convinced themselves that they saw
something and then you look at our oceans. You mean,
the oceans are basically unexplored, especially the depths of the ocean,
so who knows what might be down there. They just
(05:18):
recently really discovered the giant squid was at like twenty
thirty years ago something like that. It hadn't been that
long ago that this sixty foot creature was swimming around
down there and nobody knew about it.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Literally like a monster too, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent. This thing has eyes the
size of a dinner plate, so that kind of gives
you an idea how big it is.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
What was that fish that they just found that they've
only had two pictures like ever of it.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I didn't hear about that one, but my.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Gosh, look it up. It looks like a monster. It's
tiny though.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I know the pictures of him, it's like some sort
of deep water angler, and the photos were like, oh,
my gosh. But then when you saw the image of
the guy who actually took the photo and you see
this teeny tiny looking little goldfish, you're like, oh, that's
not nearly as scary as I thought it was. Well, Derek,
back to Bigfoot. This whole theory that Bigfoot is kind
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of an inter dimensional traveler that maybe that's why people
have these very assumingly real encounters with him. But then
you never find Bigfoot bones, you never find dead ones,
like only blurry videos. What do you think about that theory?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
It's certainly a good way to explain away all those
issues that you just brought up. You know, where are
the bodies? You know, why haven't we hit one with
a car or something like that. You know, if they
are interdimensional and just zipping in and out of our existence,
that would certainly make it hard for us to find them.
And there is a little bit of evidence that sort
of supports that there are a handful of sightings of
this creature that also coincide with UFOs or bright lights,
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or sometimes they're seen carrying like a ball of light
in their hand, which kind of lends to that a
little bit that maybe they came from somewhere else, or
maybe they have a higher intelligence than we thought they did.
They're not just a stinky ape out in the woods,
you know. Right the way I look at this, it's
not Bigfoot's real, Bigfoot's fake. It's not as black or
white as that. It's a case by case basically, so
(07:04):
somebody tells me a story, I'm like, I don't know
if I buy that story. Somebody tells me another one.
I'm like, I had to be in something. They had
to have seen something. There's footprints they collected, there's a
swatch of hair that they caught, or you know whatever.
There's some sort of evidence there that suggests that whatever
it was they saw was was something living. Whether or
not it's a bigfoot, I don't know, but you know,
something alive and well out there in the woods.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
So I feel like that same theory sort of can
be applied to like the cryptids that we hear about, right, like, why.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Haven't we found bones or scales or you know whatnot?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
But are there any cryptids that you're like, yes, this guy,
he is one hundred percent real.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well, there's a sea monster off the coast of California
here all the way up to Alaska, essentially called cad
Boris Saurus. And it got its name because it was
first seen in Cadburrough Bay, I believe. And I can't
remember where that is. I want to say it's off
the coast of Vancouver somewhere. Well, this is like a
I don't know, forty foot long snakelike creature with a
horse head, and people have seen it all over the place,
and in fact, in the thirties, a whaler, a bunch
(08:00):
of whalers caught a whale butchered it and when they
opened the stomach up, one of these things fell out
of it. So they packed it up and they sent
it down to California to have some sort of biologists
look at it or something, and as they always do,
the crate ended up missing and they've never found it again.
So there's a couple of pictures of this thing, but
that's it, and it looks like a camel basically on
a sea serpent's body.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Is there any possibility that it was a hoax like
something that somebody pieced together?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It could have been. It certainly could have been, But
it does fall in line with all the sightings that
people have seen of this creature and all the reports
that people have made. The description was right down to
the camel shaped face or the horse shaped face. Oh
it's whatever they made it out of it. If it
was some sort of hoax, it's like five or six
different animals that they used to put this thing together, which.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Is pretty fascinating in itself.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, gruesome.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
That's a lot of work to try to fool somebody, right,
Like you got to go get twelve different bodies and
then piece them all together.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That just too much for the thirties. I mean, why
would you do that. There's no video out there's the
news isn't gonna come buy. YouTube's not going to put
it up there. You might get a picture in the newspaper.
Is it worth all that work?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
It's a good question when you think about like the oceans,
they're so deep, there's so much we don't know. It
does seem possible that there are things down there that
we just haven't seen.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
And things that have existed once and are thought to
be extinct, but maybe they're not extinct. You know. A
great example of that would be the selcanth, which is
a giant fish. It's like a prehistoric fish basically, it
sort of walks on the bottom of the ocean there
and for sixty five million years, people thought that it
was extinct, you know, out with the dinosaurs, and then
in nineteen thirty three, I want to say, one was
(09:33):
caught off the coast of South Africa, and ever since
then people have realized they're still down there. They didn't
go extinct after you know, after all, and these are
big fish, you know, six foot long fish.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
We've heard so many ghost stories, so many bigfoot stories,
all that kind of stuff, and I don't think those
really scared. I'm not scared of a ghost, but I
am terrified of the bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Oh you should be, well, it's likeful we should be.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
There was years ago Shark Week. They did a whole
thing on the megledon and tried to bring in like
it was real. Do you remember that it was a
fake documentary? My dumb ass watched it and thought it
was real, and I have been ruined forever. So, since
you do take calls from your listeners, what's the coolest
cryptid story that you've gotten from one of your listeners.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yes, Oh, that's a tough question. I'm going to cheat
and tell you a couple different things. Since we're talking
about the ocean. Recently, I've been getting reports of a mermaid.
It's not the Disney Mermaid. It's kind of a gruesome
looking thing. It kind of looks like Voldemort with a fishdale.
All the calls seem to come from the same part
of the country. The Gulf of the coast of Texas
(10:37):
there in the golf.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Okay, what we could just call it the golf.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
L Well. I was trying to think of exactly where
it was, but it's off the coast of Texas specific
specifically where these things are being seen. I think you
have three or four different calls, and I've read a
few other reports from outside sources of this creature being
in this area. Now there are creatures that might be
able to look like this. When I first played the call,
I thought, you know, there's a creature called the blanket
octopus that has you know, as all octopi do, they
(11:02):
have the ability to essentially shape shift. They can look
like almost anything.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Oh that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
And the blanket octopus has these long frills that hang
off of them and these long pentacles that hang down.
So I was thinking, maybe they saw a human and
they're trying to replicate what a human looks like. So
that was wild. And then all of a sudden, I
start getting all these other calls, and I'm thinking, there's
one really talented blanket octopus out there. There might be
something else going on here.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You're blowing my mind right now.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It's gonna get worse. Because to answer your question about
the scariest crypto that I've heard of, there's a call
called the Moose Lady, and it came in last year sometime.
It was on our Best of over New Year's. We
do a best of episode every New Year's and it
was on that episode.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
That's a great episode. I was listening to that not
long ago. It's really good.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Oh maybe you heard this one then. So this took
place in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, and there was a lady
named Kate. She was walking her dog down along I
can't remember what the river is there in town, but
she was walking her dog during the pandemics that was nobody,
and she sees an older lady carrying a suitcase up
from the river into like a grove of trees. And
as she gets closer, she sees the woman's all hunched
(12:08):
over and dragging this this large box shaped suitcase. And
she can see that the woman's blind, her eyes are
all covered over, and her dog starts to kind of
go back this I don't want to go by this lady,
trying to get away from her. And as she's watching
the old lady walk up hill, suddenly she morphs into
a gigantic moose. The suitcase turns into a moose. She
turns into a moose. It's just a big moose that
(12:30):
goes crashing through the trees, sees her and starts to
come after her. Well, this is where it gets really crazy.
So she freaks out naturally drops the dog. The dog
takes off too, So she's scrambling up the hill trying
to get away from it, and I guess the trucker
just happened to be driving by and saw all this
go down, tops his truck and tells her like, get
you know, get away. I'm going to try to block
(12:52):
this thing with my truck to keep it from getting
to you. So he's making all these maneuvers, laying on
his horn, reving his engine, and she's scrambling up the
trying to get to her apartment. So this all takes
place over like ten minutes, and she's just frantic and
moose lady is hot on her trail. We don't know
whatever happened, you know, with the moose with the lady.
It was described that she crashed through a bunch of
trees and broke the trees off as she ran through.
(13:14):
So I had a bunch of listeners from that area, like, well,
I'm going to go check this out, And sure enough,
they sent me pictures of all these broken trees and
this exact same spot that she said this happened. And
it's even crazier this year. Maybe late last year, I
got another call from right down the road of almost
the exact same thing. This couple was walking along the
beach Lake Michigan, I think, one of the great lakes
up there, and they heard a commotion in the water
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and they saw this dog looking creature run out of
the water, and it kind of shape shifted as it
came out, and it went into the beach and they
were smart enough to get out of there real quickly.
But whatever it was wasn't a single form. It shaped
between a person, a dog, some sort of hybrid some
It wasn't a werewolf, essentially. They described it as something else,
maybe a moose, even moose.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Lady might have a family.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Maybe, Yeah, there's a whole clan of them up there.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Her husband.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So when the trucker stopped, he only saw the moose.
He didn't see the transformation. Correct.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
We don't know, because you know, I've reached out trying
to find this trucker, trying to get an interview from him,
and apparently he's not a listener because I have heard
from him. But the way Kate describes it, I don't
know that he saw the moose, was trying to keep
the moose away from her, or if he saw the
whole thing go down. If I had to guess, I'd
say he saw the whole thing go down based on
his reaction and the way she described it in her story.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
How often do you get those types of stories though,
where it's like a one off We've never heard of
this type of thing before, because all the time, that's incredible,
that's pretty cool. We don't get a ton of cryptic stories.
We can bigfoot, We've gotten bandage man. Yeah, we've gotten
puck Wedgies. But yeah, we don't Jersey Devil, Jersey Devil. Yes,
(14:50):
we did have a amerr person story recently, I think
where one of our Dan Texas. No, but it was
in the Florida Panhan so, yes, right in the same area,
right in the same area.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
What else are you doing? You're working on a documentary?
Is this what I've heard?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, the documentary's finished. It was released last year. Yeah,
you can find it on to b You can find
it on Amazon Prime, where you can go to bregotriangle
dot com. It's a documentary about a area of high
strangeness my partner and I found while we were out
looking around for subject matter. It's east of San Diego,
about an hour east, and it's a huge state park
(15:28):
out there called ants Barrego Desert State Park. It's like
the size of Rhode Island, so this is a massive
piece of land. But there's all sorts of stuff going
on out there. There's like a skinny bigfoot that people
are seeing. They call it the Barrego Sandman. He kind
of looks like an NBA player, you know, He's kind
of wiry and tall and skinny, and they see him
all over the place, and it's weird. As we got
in there, we realized that in the winter time they
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see him down in the desert. In the summertime they
see him up in the mountains where it's nice and cool.
So we think there's some sort of migration pattern going
on if this thing happens to be real. But these
reports go back three four hundred years to the missionaries
that were coming through there in the area, and there's
also ghost lights. There's a lot of ghost lights through
that area. There's ghost stories UFOs go lower. That's the
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contemporary stuff. There's a lot of UFO sightings and we
saw several while we were out there filming, along with
government cover up, which is interesting. A lot of soldiers
come in town, don't talk about this kind of thing,
and people are real skittish. And the craziest thing of
all of it is there's this antenna array in one
of the dry lakes in the area. It's four square
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miles of just flat dirt, and back in the fifties
and sixties, they ran an antenna array where they would
shoot messages up into space and see if anything came back, essentially,
so that ran for like twenty years and then mysteriously
one day they just decided to shut it down. So
now we kind of wonder where they're sending signals, and
something got those signals and they're tracing it back to
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where they came from. And that's there in the Brego Triangle.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
As we've turned it, and where is that again.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It's about an hour east of San Diego, out there
in the middle of nowhere, and.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
What you called it an area of high strangeness.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, I loved high strangeness in the Brego Triangle is
what we call the documentary and.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Tell us again where everybody can find that, because now
I need to go watch it.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
What's on two B It's on Amazon. I think there's
a couple of other places, but if you go to
bregotriangle dot com you can find basically anything there. A
lot of fun. We almost died, so it was great.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Well it was one hundred and twenty two degrees when
we were shooting out there, so that it was brutal. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
So, as I mentioned earlier, we reached out to you
because of this video that you shared not long ago.
It looked like a drone or similar to a drone,
at least a listener had sent to you, but it
looked like it had kind of dangly legs that lit up.
And it blew our mind because we got a very
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similar looking video, not the same one. It was from
a totally different person, from a completely different angle, but
it was We said it had the Hansy down Z's
kind of it even made a drone sound. It had
this like what kind of sound that you could hear
and in our video it bounced off of something. It
looked like it bounced off of a gate and went
(18:10):
back and then tried again. Did you have any luck
figuring out what that was?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Well, I'm going to burst your bubble.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I saw your video as well. Actually, and I think
both of them are actually spider webs.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I don't think it's spider webs. I disagree heartily.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's so hard for people to buy into that. Let
me explain what I'm talking about here. So, if a
spiderweb's waving in the wind and it's caught any kind
of moisture, and those little beads of moisture stick to
that spider web, and those are highly reflective. Water is
highly reflective. So the IR camera from your door camera
or whatever's filming, shoots onto those beams of droplets of water,
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I guess is the word I'm looking for. It shines
onto that reflex back and that's what you're seeing as
those little droplets on the spider web itself. So the
telltale motion is the waving back and forth as the
wind blows it. Mine, I'm one hundred percent sure that's
what it is. Yours, I'm ninety nine percent shore because
it does look a little weird, a little odd.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Good, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
At the end, does this little like bink like it
pinks into something and then goes back in the other direction.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
When you didn't notice that part. Well, but I don't
have to look at it again.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Maybe i'll send you the raw footage because when we
posted it, you can't hear the audio quite as well
of the as it's coming in.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And I noticed that I didn't hear that yet.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, so there's this sound as it comes in and
you see the little things hanging down. And believe me,
we have crushed so many people's paranormal dreams with the
spider web thing or that's a bug on your ring camera.
I'm very sorry, but this one, I still think it's
a drone of some kind. I don't think it's paranormal.
I'll send you the raw footage. But speaking of drones,
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we remember like right before the holidays, and I guess
it's still happening a little bit, but there were so
many of these drone sightings. Everybody was freaking out about
the drones. Are they UFOs? Are we being invaded? What's
going on? And we're not hearing about that quite as much.
What do you think what's happening there? I have a theory,
but do you have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Hm, well, I know exactly what you're talking about. The
New Jersey drone flap of November and December of last year. Yeah. Essentially,
there was just hundreds of drones every night. All these
people in New Jersey would see them, record them, and
every official, doesn't matter which administration, they're all saying it's nothing.
These are just commercial drones or people playing around up there.
(20:29):
There's nothing to be afraid of here, which is a
telltale sign. If they're telling us not to be afraid,
we should probably be afraid. Now. As far as what
those things are, I had the theory as it was
going on that they were looking for something. The military
has drones that can sniff nuclear weapons and that sort
of thing, so maybe something came up missing and they
know it's in New Jersey somewhere, so they at night
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throw all these drones out there and hopefully they can
sniff it out and find this thing. The weird thing
about this, though, is this isn't the first time this
has happened. Over the past year and half all over
the country. There have been reports of drones shooting out
this green grid. It's like a green laser grid and
it just zips across the ground real fast. I've got
reports from it in Hawaii, Florida. I've had a lot
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of reports of that, and I've seen news reports from
all over the country about the same thing, the green
grid from these drones. But before even that happened, I
want to see, this was two years ago in Colorado.
There was a drone flap there as well. All these
huge just like New Jersey, all these huge drones. Every
night people are seeing them, catching them on camera and
(21:33):
they would ask officials like what are these Are we
in danger? And the officials are like, I don't know.
I don't know what these things are, which is very comforting,
right af Sure, so this isn't the first time, and
something tells me it's not the last time. But my
guess would be they found whatever they were looking for
and they've since moved on. But I don't think we've
seen the last of them. I think they're going to
be back.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
What inspired you to get into the whole paranormal phenomenon
and do you have a personal story of your own.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Well, it can answer both of those with one story.
When I was about ten years old, I grew up
in Ohio. Well, I grew up on a farm, it
should start that, a really small, like hobby farm, but
we had a lot of acreage, and as a kid,
we would kind of go down in the woods and
just explore around, you know, as kids do. When we
were down there, one of the first times, we heard
a crash on the other side of the hillside and
we all looked up and there came this huge black
(22:19):
cat like a panther, just came running across the hillside,
disappeared into the brush on the other end, and we're
all just kind of looking at each other like, what
is this thing? What is this? So we wait for
my dad to get home from work. I couldn't wait
to tell him and you know, hey, we saw this
down in the woods. And he's like, yeah, you know,
I saw that thing a couple of weeks ago. And
my first thought was, why are you letting us in
the woods knowing that that thing's down there. Yeah, I'm
(22:42):
pen my brother's probably six or seven something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
And then he goes on to tell me, well, your
uncle had seen it twenty years ago and all this
other stuff. So I started reading up on it. That
was during the summer, so when school started again, went
to the library and got all these books out, and
I learned about this thing called alien big cats or
alien black cats, black panthers that live all over the
eastern United States and everybody denies that they're there, but
people I'm constantly I have hundreds of calls describing these things.
(23:09):
So that was sort of my gateway to get into
all this, and that introduced me to bigfoot, ghosts, UFOs,
anything strange. I was on it, and that was just
kind of the gateway drug for me to get started there.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Now, the black panther phenomenon, isn't that a thing in
the UK as well?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
It is, Yeah, the UK's really heavily into it. Beast
of dart Moor is one that comes to mind.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Okay, so you've been doing this ten years now. If
you had to, can you pick your favorite scariest story,
the one that still keeps you up at night?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah? I don't know how scary it is. It's just crazy.
It's the craziest story I've ever heard of my life.
And it just happened to be on my show. I
got a call from a gentleman mac in Mississippi, and
he was a deer hunter and he had a deer
stand out in the woods somewhere, so he went out.
Didn't tell his family where he was going, of course,
that's the classic mistake. But he's out there hunting and
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he does something and falls out of his deer stand
and breaks his back. So he lands on this big
branch and he's laying there, all crippled and broken, and
he thinks he's gonna die. So he's laying there for hours,
and he starts to hear these sounds and these big
things moving toward him, and it's getting dark. The whole
scenario is just a bad scenario all around. And finally
he feels a hand up underneath his back kind of
(24:16):
lift him up, and he's cradled by a sasquatch, a
female sasquatch, what else she's female, and she's like patting
him and making cooing sounds like trying to like comfort him.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
It seems like like motherly.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Motherly, of course, and it gets even more motherly after
a few minutes of that. She forces her breast into
his mouth. Yeah, and gives him milk, and it's the
craziest story, the craziest story. He sounds so believable when
he tells this story, Season nine, episode six. If anybody
wants to check it out, Yes I do.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Breastfeeding Bigfoot lately?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Did he say what it tasted like?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
He said, god awful? Spit it? He said, he spit
it out. He said it was god awful. But she
was insistent on doing this, and the only reason it
all stopped is from the tree line he heard a loud, screaming,
roaring sound that he knew was the male, and the
male was not happy about what the female was doing,
so she put him down and walked away, And later
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that night his family came and found him, and he
was in the hospital for a broken back for weeks. Now.
Was this a hallucination that he had due to pain? Possibly?
Did he dream this as he was laying there practically
dying in the woods. That's also a possibility. But the
way he told the story and just the conviction in
his voice, I believed every word he said.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
And this is now also my favorite paranormal story ever.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And it's even weirder because over the years I've heard
of this happening other times, and there were people that
were saying that there was some sort of healing element
to the milk.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I was going to ask that.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I was going to say, like, did somehow he yet
like all his bones were fixed and he was able
to walk away after being resident.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
That would have been awesome. Yeah, that was really but awesome.
Now he didn't heal fairly quickly for a broken back.
He said he was only in the hospital for a
couple of weeks. So like megamilk, maybe, yeah, maybe. But
that lure is out there and I don't know where
it came from. I don't know where I read it at,
and I've been looking for it ever since. If somebody knows,
reach out to me, let me know. But wild, wildest
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story I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
As soon as you're said though, a female bigfoot showed up,
I was like, we're her boobs out like clearly, you know,
It's like, how did he know it's a fit because
her boobs are out right? So that it went there,
I am completely I am floored. That is the best
thing I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I love the same amazing story and he's actually called
it in twice because the first time. Every time I
get a call from Mississippi, it's just a really bad
quality call. And I don't know why. I don't know
if they have bad towers down there or what's going on.
But I reached out to him. I said, hey, like
your story, just it's great, great story, but the recordings
really bad. I can barely understand you. Can you call back?
And from what I can hear, word for word is
(26:56):
exactly the same. He's not reading a script, he's not
doing anything like that. He's just telling his story.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
So this feels like a good time for a call out.
If anybody watching or listening has been breastfed by a
lady Bigfoot, you have to let us know. And yes,
and I need a graphic description of what it tasted like.
I know it's bad, but like.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Paint me a picture like.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Derek Hayes, the podcast is Monsters among Us and tell
us the name of your documentary.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Its Shadows in the Desert, high Strangeness in the Brego Triangle.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
And thank you so much for taking the time to
talk to us today. Your stories, of course are incredible.
We love your podcast, and I tell you what anytime
you want to go on the road together. Let us know,
all right, we're talking about taking a trip to go
try to find the Marpha lights and do some stuff
down in a big bend this upcoming November, so put
that on your calendar if you want to come with Brilliant.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I might. Actually I've never been to Marfun and I
really want to go.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
So we've got a couple of things, Alpine Marathon, We're
talking about a few really spooky places out there, so
we'll keep you. Thank you so much, Derek.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Of course, thank you so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Thanks again to Derek Hayes for joining us. We'll post
the links to his show and website at honidayf dot com.
He also sent us the Bigfoot audio that he mentioned,
which we are going to share on March twentieth, so
you absolutely must tune in for that.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Absolutely so good. Don't forget. The next week is going
to be audio only as we revisit the early days
of COVID and some of the best stories we've ever
gotten you. In the meantime, we want to hear yours.
Send those ghost stories, crypted encounters, UFOs glitches, whatever you've got.
Send it all to Hontida of podcast at gmail dot
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Speaker 4 (29:01):
Most of all, we have to thank you for listening
and for sharing your stories with us.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
By the way, Julie, if I die first, I'm coming
back to haunt you. I'll come back to haunt you too.
Rebecca
I have got some ghost stories for you.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm hearing these voices, but there's nobody else around.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I don't like the skeleton man. He's so mean to me,
and he bites me at night.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
And suddenly this stool, completely of its own volition, slid
good to maybe three feet out into the center of
the bar. He walks towards the ocean, and he gets
to the water. He just disappeared.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I feel someone run their hand under my butt cheek,
just sliding under my butt.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
So that is my ghost story.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Really hard.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Hi, and welcome to Honiday Up. The podcast are real
ghost stories, told by real people. We are your hosts.
I'm Julie Fiss and I'm Rebecca Black, and we've got
a special surprise for everybody this week. We found Derek
Hayes from The Monsters among us podcasts recently when he
shared a real on Instagram that looked so much like
a video that we shared back in the fall. Yeah,
(00:58):
that was crazy. Yep. We reached out well for a
chat and this man brought his a game of spooky stories.
They're amazing, yep, including one that is now our all
time favorite in the pantheon.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Of freaky stories that we have shared. You have to
stick around to the end for that one. But before that, though,
we need to thank our newest patron, Jess Commote.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Thank you so much. It's only five dollars a month.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
To become a patron, and you can get years of
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early and ad free. All of that is at patreon
dot com slash Haunted af.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
We're also going to do something a little different next week.
I don't know if you realized it, but we're coming
up on the five year anniversary of the COVID shutdown.
How How has it been five years? Isn't that wild?
That was a huge time for us because everybody was
stuck in their houses and sending us scary stories. In fact,
we got some of our favorites in the first few
months of COVID, and we thought it would be a
(01:48):
good time to reshare those.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
We were still in the early phases of the podcast
game at that point, though, so we weren't posting YouTube videos, pregames,
or even the companion blogs. That means that next week
will be audio only. Sorry about that, but everything else
will return on March twentieth.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, just pretend like you're back in I don't know,
twenty eighteen or something where you just listen to.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Podcasts, right, it was just the original podcasting. Yeah, no video,
no nothing, just voices OGP.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So excited to be joined today by Derek Hay's, host
of The Monsters among us podcasts, also Travel Channel's Paranormal
Caught on Tape. He's been telling scary stories on his
podcast since twenty sixteen, so I know you have loads
of them. Welcome to Haunted af The Derek Hays Woo.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
For having me. I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, thank you for joining us. We've actually been trying
to set this up for like a couple of months. Yeah,
so so, thank you so much. And we actually, well
we found you because of your podcast, but you came
to our attention recently because on Instagram you shared a
video that was very similar to something that we got
from someone completely different. And we'll talk about that in
(02:57):
a little bit, but we have so many we want
to ask you.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
First, tell us a little bit about your podcast.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Sure, well, it's a call in show, which is kind
of odd for a podcast, but essentially it's it's like
a voicemail show. It's not really like I don't talk
to the to the callers that call in, they leave
a voicemail. They tell their story in their own words.
You know, we edit it down to make it sound great.
You know, it's the best call you've ever heard. We
throw it up on the air and I do a
little commentary about it. We compare it to historical cases,
(03:26):
we compare to other calls we've received over the years,
that sort of thing, and we just have a good time.
We share I don't know, like fifteen calls in episode
something like that. So it covers a gambit from bigfoot
UFOs to ghost psychic ability with just anything strange and unusual.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Really, which is right up our alley. In fact, you
inspired us with your one eight hundred number when I
saw that.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, so I'm trying to use the same system, but
I'm stupid and it's very hard for me to set
things up. So we're still in the process of that.
First of all, look at that hat Monsters among Us
with Mothman on it. Do you have that available in
an online store?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, yeah, it's in our shop, but our website Monsters
among Us podcast dot com.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Since your podcast is it's monsters among Us. Even though
you cover all kinds of topics, I want to start
with monsters among us. Do you feel it's possible that
there might be actual monsters like living in human skins
among us, Like we've heard about the whole lizard people
thing for a million years. Do you think there is
any possibility for that? And for the record, like Rebecca
(04:28):
and I joke around about a lot of things, but
we also try to leave a lot of space for
anything being possible.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
No, No, I think the answer is one hundred percent yes.
It just depends on what those things are, you know,
and not every single paranormal story can be true. In fact,
most of them aren't. There you know, misidentifications, they're hoaxes
or psychotic episode. There's all sorts of reasons that people
could see something strange, but there is that small, I
don't know, two three percent that it's got to be
(04:57):
something else, and you're that be sasquatching. I've seen some
videos out there that are kind of convincing, and I've
heard some stories, certainly on my show that if the
person's not lying, they're certainly convinced themselves that they saw
something and then you look at our oceans. You mean,
the oceans are basically unexplored, especially the depths of the ocean,
so who knows what might be down there. They just
(05:18):
recently really discovered the giant squid was at like twenty
thirty years ago something like that. It hadn't been that
long ago that this sixty foot creature was swimming around
down there and nobody knew about it.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Literally like a monster too, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent. This thing has eyes the
size of a dinner plate, so that kind of gives
you an idea how big it is.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
What was that fish that they just found that they've
only had two pictures like ever of it.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I didn't hear about that one, but my.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Gosh, look it up. It looks like a monster. It's
tiny though.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I know the pictures of him, it's like some sort
of deep water angler, and the photos were like, oh,
my gosh. But then when you saw the image of
the guy who actually took the photo and you see
this teeny tiny looking little goldfish, you're like, oh, that's
not nearly as scary as I thought it was. Well, Derek,
back to Bigfoot. This whole theory that Bigfoot is kind
(06:07):
of an inter dimensional traveler that maybe that's why people
have these very assumingly real encounters with him. But then
you never find Bigfoot bones, you never find dead ones,
like only blurry videos. What do you think about that theory?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
It's certainly a good way to explain away all those
issues that you just brought up. You know, where are
the bodies? You know, why haven't we hit one with
a car or something like that. You know, if they
are interdimensional and just zipping in and out of our existence,
that would certainly make it hard for us to find them.
And there is a little bit of evidence that sort
of supports that there are a handful of sightings of
this creature that also coincide with UFOs or bright lights,
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or sometimes they're seen carrying like a ball of light
in their hand, which kind of lends to that a
little bit that maybe they came from somewhere else, or
maybe they have a higher intelligence than we thought they did.
They're not just a stinky ape out in the woods,
you know. Right the way I look at this, it's
not Bigfoot's real, Bigfoot's fake. It's not as black or
white as that. It's a case by case basically, so
(07:04):
somebody tells me a story, I'm like, I don't know
if I buy that story. Somebody tells me another one.
I'm like, I had to be in something. They had
to have seen something. There's footprints they collected, there's a
swatch of hair that they caught, or you know whatever.
There's some sort of evidence there that suggests that whatever
it was they saw was was something living. Whether or
not it's a bigfoot, I don't know, but you know,
something alive and well out there in the woods.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
So I feel like that same theory sort of can
be applied to like the cryptids that we hear about, right, like, why.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Haven't we found bones or scales or you know whatnot?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
But are there any cryptids that you're like, yes, this guy,
he is one hundred percent real.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well, there's a sea monster off the coast of California
here all the way up to Alaska, essentially called cad
Boris Saurus. And it got its name because it was
first seen in Cadburrough Bay, I believe. And I can't
remember where that is. I want to say it's off
the coast of Vancouver somewhere. Well, this is like a
I don't know, forty foot long snakelike creature with a
horse head, and people have seen it all over the place,
and in fact, in the thirties, a whaler, a bunch
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of whalers caught a whale butchered it and when they
opened the stomach up, one of these things fell out
of it. So they packed it up and they sent
it down to California to have some sort of biologists
look at it or something, and as they always do,
the crate ended up missing and they've never found it again.
So there's a couple of pictures of this thing, but
that's it, and it looks like a camel basically on
a sea serpent's body.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Is there any possibility that it was a hoax like
something that somebody pieced together?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It could have been. It certainly could have been, But
it does fall in line with all the sightings that
people have seen of this creature and all the reports
that people have made. The description was right down to
the camel shaped face or the horse shaped face. Oh
it's whatever they made it out of it. If it
was some sort of hoax, it's like five or six
different animals that they used to put this thing together, which.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Is pretty fascinating in itself.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, gruesome.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
That's a lot of work to try to fool somebody, right,
Like you got to go get twelve different bodies and
then piece them all together.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That just too much for the thirties. I mean, why
would you do that. There's no video out there's the
news isn't gonna come buy. YouTube's not going to put
it up there. You might get a picture in the newspaper.
Is it worth all that work?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
It's a good question when you think about like the oceans,
they're so deep, there's so much we don't know. It
does seem possible that there are things down there that
we just haven't seen.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
And things that have existed once and are thought to
be extinct, but maybe they're not extinct. You know. A
great example of that would be the selcanth, which is
a giant fish. It's like a prehistoric fish basically, it
sort of walks on the bottom of the ocean there
and for sixty five million years, people thought that it
was extinct, you know, out with the dinosaurs, and then
in nineteen thirty three, I want to say, one was
(09:33):
caught off the coast of South Africa, and ever since
then people have realized they're still down there. They didn't
go extinct after you know, after all, and these are
big fish, you know, six foot long fish.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
We've heard so many ghost stories, so many bigfoot stories,
all that kind of stuff, and I don't think those
really scared. I'm not scared of a ghost, but I
am terrified of the bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Oh you should be, well, it's likeful we should be.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
There was years ago Shark Week. They did a whole
thing on the megledon and tried to bring in like
it was real. Do you remember that it was a
fake documentary? My dumb ass watched it and thought it
was real, and I have been ruined forever. So, since
you do take calls from your listeners, what's the coolest
cryptid story that you've gotten from one of your listeners.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yes, Oh, that's a tough question. I'm going to cheat
and tell you a couple different things. Since we're talking
about the ocean. Recently, I've been getting reports of a mermaid.
It's not the Disney Mermaid. It's kind of a gruesome
looking thing. It kind of looks like Voldemort with a fishdale.
All the calls seem to come from the same part
of the country. The Gulf of the coast of Texas
(10:37):
there in the golf.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Okay, what we could just call it the golf.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
L Well. I was trying to think of exactly where
it was, but it's off the coast of Texas specific
specifically where these things are being seen. I think you
have three or four different calls, and I've read a
few other reports from outside sources of this creature being
in this area. Now there are creatures that might be
able to look like this. When I first played the call,
I thought, you know, there's a creature called the blanket
octopus that has you know, as all octopi do, they
(11:02):
have the ability to essentially shape shift. They can look
like almost anything.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Oh that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
And the blanket octopus has these long frills that hang
off of them and these long pentacles that hang down.
So I was thinking, maybe they saw a human and
they're trying to replicate what a human looks like. So
that was wild. And then all of a sudden, I
start getting all these other calls, and I'm thinking, there's
one really talented blanket octopus out there. There might be
something else going on here.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You're blowing my mind right now.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It's gonna get worse. Because to answer your question about
the scariest crypto that I've heard of, there's a call
called the Moose Lady, and it came in last year sometime.
It was on our Best of over New Year's. We
do a best of episode every New Year's and it
was on that episode.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
That's a great episode. I was listening to that not
long ago. It's really good.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Oh maybe you heard this one then. So this took
place in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, and there was a lady
named Kate. She was walking her dog down along I
can't remember what the river is there in town, but
she was walking her dog during the pandemics that was nobody,
and she sees an older lady carrying a suitcase up
from the river into like a grove of trees. And
as she gets closer, she sees the woman's all hunched
(12:08):
over and dragging this this large box shaped suitcase. And
she can see that the woman's blind, her eyes are
all covered over, and her dog starts to kind of
go back this I don't want to go by this lady,
trying to get away from her. And as she's watching
the old lady walk up hill, suddenly she morphs into
a gigantic moose. The suitcase turns into a moose. She
turns into a moose. It's just a big moose that
(12:30):
goes crashing through the trees, sees her and starts to
come after her. Well, this is where it gets really crazy.
So she freaks out naturally drops the dog. The dog
takes off too, So she's scrambling up the hill trying
to get away from it, and I guess the trucker
just happened to be driving by and saw all this
go down, tops his truck and tells her like, get
you know, get away. I'm going to try to block
(12:52):
this thing with my truck to keep it from getting
to you. So he's making all these maneuvers, laying on
his horn, reving his engine, and she's scrambling up the
trying to get to her apartment. So this all takes
place over like ten minutes, and she's just frantic and
moose lady is hot on her trail. We don't know
whatever happened, you know, with the moose with the lady.
It was described that she crashed through a bunch of
trees and broke the trees off as she ran through.
(13:14):
So I had a bunch of listeners from that area, like, well,
I'm going to go check this out, And sure enough,
they sent me pictures of all these broken trees and
this exact same spot that she said this happened. And
it's even crazier this year. Maybe late last year, I
got another call from right down the road of almost
the exact same thing. This couple was walking along the
beach Lake Michigan, I think, one of the great lakes
up there, and they heard a commotion in the water
(13:37):
and they saw this dog looking creature run out of
the water, and it kind of shape shifted as it
came out, and it went into the beach and they
were smart enough to get out of there real quickly.
But whatever it was wasn't a single form. It shaped
between a person, a dog, some sort of hybrid some
It wasn't a werewolf, essentially. They described it as something else,
maybe a moose, even moose.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Lady might have a family.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Maybe, Yeah, there's a whole clan of them up there.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Her husband.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
So when the trucker stopped, he only saw the moose.
He didn't see the transformation. Correct.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
We don't know, because you know, I've reached out trying
to find this trucker, trying to get an interview from him,
and apparently he's not a listener because I have heard
from him. But the way Kate describes it, I don't
know that he saw the moose, was trying to keep
the moose away from her, or if he saw the
whole thing go down. If I had to guess, I'd
say he saw the whole thing go down based on
his reaction and the way she described it in her story.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
How often do you get those types of stories though,
where it's like a one off We've never heard of
this type of thing before, because all the time, that's incredible,
that's pretty cool. We don't get a ton of cryptic stories.
We can bigfoot, We've gotten bandage man. Yeah, we've gotten
puck Wedgies. But yeah, we don't Jersey Devil, Jersey Devil. Yes,
(14:50):
we did have a amerr person story recently, I think
where one of our Dan Texas. No, but it was
in the Florida Panhan so, yes, right in the same area,
right in the same area.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
What else are you doing? You're working on a documentary?
Is this what I've heard?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, the documentary's finished. It was released last year. Yeah,
you can find it on to b You can find
it on Amazon Prime, where you can go to bregotriangle
dot com. It's a documentary about a area of high
strangeness my partner and I found while we were out
looking around for subject matter. It's east of San Diego,
about an hour east, and it's a huge state park
(15:28):
out there called ants Barrego Desert State Park. It's like
the size of Rhode Island, so this is a massive
piece of land. But there's all sorts of stuff going
on out there. There's like a skinny bigfoot that people
are seeing. They call it the Barrego Sandman. He kind
of looks like an NBA player, you know, He's kind
of wiry and tall and skinny, and they see him
all over the place, and it's weird. As we got
in there, we realized that in the winter time they
(15:49):
see him down in the desert. In the summertime they
see him up in the mountains where it's nice and cool.
So we think there's some sort of migration pattern going
on if this thing happens to be real. But these
reports go back three four hundred years to the missionaries
that were coming through there in the area, and there's
also ghost lights. There's a lot of ghost lights through
that area. There's ghost stories UFOs go lower. That's the
(16:10):
contemporary stuff. There's a lot of UFO sightings and we
saw several while we were out there filming, along with
government cover up, which is interesting. A lot of soldiers
come in town, don't talk about this kind of thing,
and people are real skittish. And the craziest thing of
all of it is there's this antenna array in one
of the dry lakes in the area. It's four square
(16:31):
miles of just flat dirt, and back in the fifties
and sixties, they ran an antenna array where they would
shoot messages up into space and see if anything came back, essentially,
so that ran for like twenty years and then mysteriously
one day they just decided to shut it down. So
now we kind of wonder where they're sending signals, and
something got those signals and they're tracing it back to
(16:52):
where they came from. And that's there in the Brego Triangle.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
As we've turned it, and where is that again.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It's about an hour east of San Diego, out there
in the middle of nowhere, and.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
What you called it an area of high strangeness.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, I loved high strangeness in the Brego Triangle is
what we call the documentary and.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Tell us again where everybody can find that, because now
I need to go watch it.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
What's on two B It's on Amazon. I think there's
a couple of other places, but if you go to
bregotriangle dot com you can find basically anything there. A
lot of fun. We almost died, so it was great.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Well it was one hundred and twenty two degrees when
we were shooting out there, so that it was brutal. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
So, as I mentioned earlier, we reached out to you
because of this video that you shared not long ago.
It looked like a drone or similar to a drone,
at least a listener had sent to you, but it
looked like it had kind of dangly legs that lit up.
And it blew our mind because we got a very
(17:50):
similar looking video, not the same one. It was from
a totally different person, from a completely different angle, but
it was We said it had the Hansy down Z's
kind of it even made a drone sound. It had
this like what kind of sound that you could hear
and in our video it bounced off of something. It
looked like it bounced off of a gate and went
(18:10):
back and then tried again. Did you have any luck
figuring out what that was?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Well, I'm going to burst your bubble.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I saw your video as well. Actually, and I think
both of them are actually spider webs.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I don't think it's spider webs. I disagree heartily.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's so hard for people to buy into that. Let
me explain what I'm talking about here. So, if a
spiderweb's waving in the wind and it's caught any kind
of moisture, and those little beads of moisture stick to
that spider web, and those are highly reflective. Water is
highly reflective. So the IR camera from your door camera
or whatever's filming, shoots onto those beams of droplets of water,
(18:48):
I guess is the word I'm looking for. It shines
onto that reflex back and that's what you're seeing as
those little droplets on the spider web itself. So the
telltale motion is the waving back and forth as the
wind blows it. Mine, I'm one hundred percent sure that's
what it is. Yours, I'm ninety nine percent shore because
it does look a little weird, a little odd.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Good, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
At the end, does this little like bink like it
pinks into something and then goes back in the other direction.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
When you didn't notice that part. Well, but I don't
have to look at it again.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Maybe i'll send you the raw footage because when we
posted it, you can't hear the audio quite as well
of the as it's coming in.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And I noticed that I didn't hear that yet.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, so there's this sound as it comes in and
you see the little things hanging down. And believe me,
we have crushed so many people's paranormal dreams with the
spider web thing or that's a bug on your ring camera.
I'm very sorry, but this one, I still think it's
a drone of some kind. I don't think it's paranormal.
I'll send you the raw footage. But speaking of drones,
(19:49):
we remember like right before the holidays, and I guess
it's still happening a little bit, but there were so
many of these drone sightings. Everybody was freaking out about
the drones. Are they UFOs? Are we being invaded? What's
going on? And we're not hearing about that quite as much.
What do you think what's happening there? I have a theory,
but do you have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Hm, well, I know exactly what you're talking about. The
New Jersey drone flap of November and December of last year. Yeah. Essentially,
there was just hundreds of drones every night. All these
people in New Jersey would see them, record them, and
every official, doesn't matter which administration, they're all saying it's nothing.
These are just commercial drones or people playing around up there.
(20:29):
There's nothing to be afraid of here, which is a
telltale sign. If they're telling us not to be afraid,
we should probably be afraid. Now. As far as what
those things are, I had the theory as it was
going on that they were looking for something. The military
has drones that can sniff nuclear weapons and that sort
of thing, so maybe something came up missing and they
know it's in New Jersey somewhere, so they at night
(20:50):
throw all these drones out there and hopefully they can
sniff it out and find this thing. The weird thing
about this, though, is this isn't the first time this
has happened. Over the past year and half all over
the country. There have been reports of drones shooting out
this green grid. It's like a green laser grid and
it just zips across the ground real fast. I've got
reports from it in Hawaii, Florida. I've had a lot
(21:13):
of reports of that, and I've seen news reports from
all over the country about the same thing, the green
grid from these drones. But before even that happened, I
want to see, this was two years ago in Colorado.
There was a drone flap there as well. All these
huge just like New Jersey, all these huge drones. Every
night people are seeing them, catching them on camera and
(21:33):
they would ask officials like what are these Are we
in danger? And the officials are like, I don't know.
I don't know what these things are, which is very comforting,
right af Sure, so this isn't the first time, and
something tells me it's not the last time. But my
guess would be they found whatever they were looking for
and they've since moved on. But I don't think we've
seen the last of them. I think they're going to
be back.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
What inspired you to get into the whole paranormal phenomenon
and do you have a personal story of your own.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Well, it can answer both of those with one story.
When I was about ten years old, I grew up
in Ohio. Well, I grew up on a farm, it
should start that, a really small, like hobby farm, but
we had a lot of acreage, and as a kid,
we would kind of go down in the woods and
just explore around, you know, as kids do. When we
were down there, one of the first times, we heard
a crash on the other side of the hillside and
we all looked up and there came this huge black
(22:19):
cat like a panther, just came running across the hillside,
disappeared into the brush on the other end, and we're
all just kind of looking at each other like, what
is this thing? What is this? So we wait for
my dad to get home from work. I couldn't wait
to tell him and you know, hey, we saw this
down in the woods. And he's like, yeah, you know,
I saw that thing a couple of weeks ago. And
my first thought was, why are you letting us in
the woods knowing that that thing's down there. Yeah, I'm
(22:42):
pen my brother's probably six or seven something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
And then he goes on to tell me, well, your
uncle had seen it twenty years ago and all this
other stuff. So I started reading up on it. That
was during the summer, so when school started again, went
to the library and got all these books out, and
I learned about this thing called alien big cats or
alien black cats, black panthers that live all over the
eastern United States and everybody denies that they're there, but
people I'm constantly I have hundreds of calls describing these things.
(23:09):
So that was sort of my gateway to get into
all this, and that introduced me to bigfoot, ghosts, UFOs,
anything strange. I was on it, and that was just
kind of the gateway drug for me to get started there.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Now, the black panther phenomenon, isn't that a thing in
the UK as well?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
It is, Yeah, the UK's really heavily into it. Beast
of dart Moor is one that comes to mind.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Okay, so you've been doing this ten years now. If
you had to, can you pick your favorite scariest story,
the one that still keeps you up at night?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah? I don't know how scary it is. It's just crazy.
It's the craziest story I've ever heard of my life.
And it just happened to be on my show. I
got a call from a gentleman mac in Mississippi, and
he was a deer hunter and he had a deer
stand out in the woods somewhere, so he went out.
Didn't tell his family where he was going, of course,
that's the classic mistake. But he's out there hunting and
(23:56):
he does something and falls out of his deer stand
and breaks his back. So he lands on this big
branch and he's laying there, all crippled and broken, and
he thinks he's gonna die. So he's laying there for hours,
and he starts to hear these sounds and these big
things moving toward him, and it's getting dark. The whole
scenario is just a bad scenario all around. And finally
he feels a hand up underneath his back kind of
(24:16):
lift him up, and he's cradled by a sasquatch, a
female sasquatch, what else she's female, and she's like patting
him and making cooing sounds like trying to like comfort him.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
It seems like like motherly.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Motherly, of course, and it gets even more motherly after
a few minutes of that. She forces her breast into
his mouth. Yeah, and gives him milk, and it's the
craziest story, the craziest story. He sounds so believable when
he tells this story, Season nine, episode six. If anybody
wants to check it out, Yes I do.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Breastfeeding Bigfoot lately?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Did he say what it tasted like?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
He said, god awful? Spit it? He said, he spit
it out. He said it was god awful. But she
was insistent on doing this, and the only reason it
all stopped is from the tree line he heard a loud, screaming,
roaring sound that he knew was the male, and the
male was not happy about what the female was doing,
so she put him down and walked away, And later
(25:15):
that night his family came and found him, and he
was in the hospital for a broken back for weeks. Now.
Was this a hallucination that he had due to pain? Possibly?
Did he dream this as he was laying there practically
dying in the woods. That's also a possibility. But the
way he told the story and just the conviction in
his voice, I believed every word he said.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
And this is now also my favorite paranormal story ever.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And it's even weirder because over the years I've heard
of this happening other times, and there were people that
were saying that there was some sort of healing element
to the milk.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I was going to ask that.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I was going to say, like, did somehow he yet
like all his bones were fixed and he was able
to walk away after being resident.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
That would have been awesome. Yeah, that was really but awesome.
Now he didn't heal fairly quickly for a broken back.
He said he was only in the hospital for a
couple of weeks. So like megamilk, maybe, yeah, maybe. But
that lure is out there and I don't know where
it came from. I don't know where I read it at,
and I've been looking for it ever since. If somebody knows,
reach out to me, let me know. But wild, wildest
(26:18):
story I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
As soon as you're said though, a female bigfoot showed up,
I was like, we're her boobs out like clearly, you know,
It's like, how did he know it's a fit because
her boobs are out right? So that it went there,
I am completely I am floored. That is the best
thing I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I love the same amazing story and he's actually called
it in twice because the first time. Every time I
get a call from Mississippi, it's just a really bad
quality call. And I don't know why. I don't know
if they have bad towers down there or what's going on.
But I reached out to him. I said, hey, like
your story, just it's great, great story, but the recordings
really bad. I can barely understand you. Can you call back?
And from what I can hear, word for word is
(26:56):
exactly the same. He's not reading a script, he's not
doing anything like that. He's just telling his story.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
So this feels like a good time for a call out.
If anybody watching or listening has been breastfed by a
lady Bigfoot, you have to let us know. And yes,
and I need a graphic description of what it tasted like.
I know it's bad, but like.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Paint me a picture like.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Derek Hayes, the podcast is Monsters among Us and tell
us the name of your documentary.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Its Shadows in the Desert, high Strangeness in the Brego Triangle.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
And thank you so much for taking the time to
talk to us today. Your stories, of course are incredible.
We love your podcast, and I tell you what anytime
you want to go on the road together. Let us know,
all right, we're talking about taking a trip to go
try to find the Marpha lights and do some stuff
down in a big bend this upcoming November, so put
that on your calendar if you want to come with Brilliant.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I might. Actually I've never been to Marfun and I
really want to go.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
So we've got a couple of things, Alpine Marathon, We're
talking about a few really spooky places out there, so
we'll keep you. Thank you so much, Derek.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Of course, thank you so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Thanks again to Derek Hayes for joining us. We'll post
the links to his show and website at honidayf dot com.
He also sent us the Bigfoot audio that he mentioned,
which we are going to share on March twentieth, so
you absolutely must tune in for that.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Absolutely so good. Don't forget. The next week is going
to be audio only as we revisit the early days
of COVID and some of the best stories we've ever
gotten you. In the meantime, we want to hear yours.
Send those ghost stories, crypted encounters, UFOs glitches, whatever you've got.
Send it all to Hontida of podcast at gmail dot
com so we can use them on the next HONTIDAF.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
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Speaker 2 (28:51):
Got to say thanks to Andrew Mamaliica and Travis Vance
for the Hontidae of theme song and to on Air
Media for titles and technical support. Also big thanks to
all of the hontedday Have Patreon supporters.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Most of all, we have to thank you for listening
and for sharing your stories with us.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
By the way, Julie, if I die first, I'm coming
back to haunt you. I'll come back to haunt you too.
Rebecca
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