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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The three and six Bengals taking on the five and
four Stealers, and for more on the Cincinnati Bengals. We
were joined by the outstanding play by play voice of
the Cincinnati Bengals, the Dulcet Tones, the melodic, malifluous, wonderful
voice of Dan Horror joining us. Now, how are you doing, Dan?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well? After an intro like that, I'm doing great? How
are you guys doing well? Doing fine? Dan?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You know I have to before we start on you know,
the injuries and you know what we the desperation level
and Chase Brown's comments and all this other stuff. I
have to say that I was discussing with you and
your partner before the Thursday night game, the decision. Remember,
the team had just traded for Joe Flacco, and I
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remember thinking, boy, if how was the Bengals, I might
have traded for Russell Wilson. And you say, hey, Joe
Flacco was their guy all along, And boy, oh boy,
did they make the right decision because that offense is
cooking under Joe Flacco right now.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, it was a great trade. And all they had
to do is swap picks in the fifth and sixth round,
So the cost was low, but he's been amazing. The
point total has gone up every game from eighteen to
thirty three to thirty eight to forty two. I don't
think that streak will continue on Sunday in Pittsburgh. If
it does, Heads will probably roll in the Steel City.
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But Flacco has been awesome, and considering the last game,
we didn't even know if he was going to play.
He had a sprained ac join, a right shoulder injury
that he suffered the game before against the Jets, only
practiced one day leading up to the game against the Bears,
went out and threw for four seventy So he has
been amazing. I am pounding the drum to sign him
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for next year if he's willing. You know, Joe Burrow
will be back, so he would be in a backup role,
but he's proven to be a tremendous backup. I think
he'll be a good influence on Joe. I think he's
already been a good influence on Joe just being a
normal person. Joe Burrow's life is so crazy as one
of the biggest sports celebrities in this country that to
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have a forty year old father of five around who's
seen it all, been there, done, it won a Super Bowl.
I think that's been very good for Joe because he's
not had a quarterback in the room since he's been
with the Bengals that fits a description like that.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean, and that's one of the amazing things when
you just think about, like the journey of Joe Flacco,
right yeah, I mean, he's played for He's played for
three out of the four AFC North Division teams, and
like you said that, there's a steadying voice and you know,
just kind of want to just ask you. You know,
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this week, Joe Burrow stepped back on the practice field
and started doing some light stuff. I mean, is this
the anticipation that you know, Joe could come back step
into play. And I say that, I realize you have
to also say Joe Burrow, not Joe Flacco, is the
tale of t Joe's in Cincinnati. But you know, for
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Burrow to be up to speed, to start, you know,
sooner rather than later, getting back into the starting role
and assuming where he's supposed to be, and for Joe
to kind of take that backseat role once Joe is fully.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Healthy, Joe Burrow is hell bent on coming back and
playing this year now. He came back to practice much
faster than any of us anticipated, except for him. I'm
sure he thought he would be back on the timeline
on timeline that he was able to come back in practice,
But when he had surgery to repair the ligaments to
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connect you know, his big toe to his foot, the
medical timeline was three months. That would get him back
with three games left in the season. He wants to
come back for the Baltimore game on Thanksgiving Night. I
don't know if that it's realistic or not, but that
would be three weeks earlier than the medical timeline. So
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Joe Burrow's powers of recuperation are incredible. Orlando Brown Junior
compared him the Wolverine this week for his ability to
come back from injuries. So Joe Burrow's not going to
play this week obviously. I don't think he'll play next
week against New England. Could he be back for the
Baltimore game on Thanksgiving Night? Maybe, But I do expect
him to play at some point this year, regardless of
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whether the Bengals are in the hunt or not. He
wants to play this year. He thinks it's important. He
says every game is important, regardless of whether your team
is in the hunt or not. And my gut tells
me that he's probably going to play at some point
this year.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Our guest is Dan Horde, the outstanding play by play
man for the Cincinnati Bengals. Dan Chase Brown, I'm sure
frustrated comments about, you know, the defense not doing its job.
I'm sure that Bengals are kicking themselves right now to
be the only team since the nineteen sixty six New
York Giants to score thirty eight or more points in
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back to back games and lose them both. Even one win,
even one win in that group get you to first
place with the victory Sunday at atter. Sure, I mean,
you know, we saw that last year with the team
scoring a lot of points and not winning. But Brown's
comments Canary Canary to call my tempest? Did a teapot?
Let me get my let me get my h my
old metaphors correct? Is it a tempest? Did a teapot?
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It did?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Does it?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Did it make some people angry? Is it just something
that was said and it smoothed over and it's it's
not a factor.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Not a factor. And here's why. So what you saw
on social media was a small clip of an overall interview. Obviously,
and basically at various points in the overall interview he
defended the defense. He said early this year they were
doing the job and we weren't. But in the core
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of his you know, of the overall comments, at one
point he says, just get a freaking stop. Just get
a freaking stop. That's what the defensive guys were saying
as well. It's not like what Chase Brown said wasn't
what everybody was thinking. So no, it didn't create any
problems inside of the locker room. We're always looking for
something nationally that drives conversation in sports debate these days,
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so I understand why that became such a lightning rod
type of thing nationwide, But internally, honestly, it was nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And also, you know, Dan as we kind of look
at just where the defense is. I mean, no Trey
Hendrickson again, possibly no Shamar Stewart, Logan Wilson traded to Dallas.
I mean, what do you think is the shape of
this defense going into the game on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Well, the numbers tell you all you need to know.
Historically bad to this point of the year, they're playing
a bunch of young guys and hoping those young guys
develop and get better over the final eight games of
the season. That's the hope to build something that will
be better next year when Joe Burrow is back, and
hopefully that's the case. But to this point, it's been
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frighteningly bad. We gave the numbers for the last two weeks.
They've scored eighty points and haven't won a game. If
you look back over the last two years, they've had
six games, six games where they scored thirty three or
more points and did not win. That's hard to do.
So They've got one player on defense that's playing really well,
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DJ Turner. Before Trey Hendrickson got hurt, he was playing
really well. Nobody else on defense has really played well
this year, and two out of eleven is not going
to cut it.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
No. And by the way, for those looking at history,
they are better right now than the nineteen sixty six Giants,
the last team to allow this many points per game,
so historically bad, worse than the Super Bowl era. Uh yeah,
it hasn't been good for them, clearly. I did want
to ask you another question, though, Dan about the offense.
You know, I think Chase Brown's a really good explosive
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running back who can do some things for him. We
saw what the passing game can do, you know, the
outside receivers. No Fans scored a touchdown against the Steelers.
I'm wondering is are the Steelers are the Bengals, like
you know, scheming around their offensive line? Or has their
offensive line improved because the Steelers hardly had Joe Flacco
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under duress. I know he's got to you know, gets
rid of the ball quickly, but has has the offensive
line quietly improved with a couple of young guys at guard?
Or is it? Are they the sort of scheming around
the offensive line?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
The offensive line has significantly improved. So you've got a
second year right tackle who was a first round draft
picked last year of Marius Mims, and you have two
rookies starting at guard, so three of the five starters
are really young. They are getting better and they are
getting better fast. So I think the Bengals are cautiously
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optimistic that they've got sixty percent of a good offensive
line going forward with Dylan Fairchild at left guard, Jalen
Rivers at right guard, and a Marius Mims at right tackle.
Ted Karris, their thirty two year old center, has always
kind of been a league average guy, good team leader.
He's never really been a problem. Orlando Brown Junior in
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the past, has had some great seasons. He's a four
time Pro Bowler. He's been a little bit up and
down in his time with Cincinnati, but I think he's
solid enough. You know, certainly league average are better. So yes,
the offensive line is trending up. As for what the
Bengals did in the first game against Pittsburgh, I think
over the course of Zach Taylor seven years as head coach,
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he's just come to the determination and the Steelers are
always great upfront. You've got to get the ball out
quickly to help your offensive line. They certainly did that
in Game one in Cincinnati. They had a good running
game in that game as well, But I would expect
them to try to do that on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, And I got to ask you, obviously, the biggest
offensive weapons, Jamar Chase, just the season that he's having.
Once again, it feels like, I mean, just how valuable
is it to have, you know, both him and t Higgins.
I mean, because you look at just the idea in
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the offseason, how do you pay both on top of
paying a quarterback, and they they've made it work. And
like you said, the production is there, it's just the
wins aren't there. You know, how good is that decision
now that you look at it as far as the
production that you get on the field. I mean, we
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talked about the thirty plus points the last three weeks
in a row, only gone up for Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Well, that decision to keep both wide receivers has certainly
been good for the offense. The question is how much
money do you have left to pay the defense? And remarkably,
they're still in decent salary cap shape going forward to
be able to add some free agents to this defense
in the upcoming offseason. So they've got to get that right.
When they went to the Super Bowl in twenty twenty one,
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the reason why is that they built a really good
offense with the draft, and they built a really good
defense through free agency. But those guys eventually aged out
or left and now they've got to do it again.
So can they go out and get a Mike Hilton,
who proved to be a great signing in Cincinnati after
he left The Steelers should obey a Wooje who played
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great for three years in Cincinnati. And then can they
go out in the draft and get guys like Jesse
Bates who were part of that Super Bowl defense. One
the draft picks in the last few years on defense
haven't hit, at least not so far. They're going to
have to try to rebuild it with free agency and
the draft this coming off season. And I would expect
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virtually every dollar and virtually every pick to be spent
on the defensive side of the ball. Because the key
guys on offense are all signed. They know that that
side of the ball is good. They've got to fix
this defense and fix it fast.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, and Dan to your point, I mean Shamar Stewart
first round pick, Miles Murphy first round pick, those guys
up front. You know, they put a lot of money
into Trey Hendrickson obviously well deserved camp Taylor britt second
round pick, DJ Turner, second round pick, Dax Hill first
round pick. I mean they've they've poured. You know, we
know how this works, right one one side, one unit
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is usually getting a lot of money. You know, when
that money runs out, hopefully that the young guys on
the other side, you know, have progressed, and it hasn't happened.
They they've put the resources draft pick wise, it just
hasn't happened for the defense. Now having said all this,
you know, the Bengals and kicking themselves, I'm sure for
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being three and six, even four and five, if you'd
won either one of those games instead of allowing late
scores to the Jets and the Bears. You know, if
this team is four and five, you're a win away
from being in first place exiting Akkorsuer Stadium. I would
say this though, and I felt the same way going
into that game on in Cincinnati on a Thursday night,
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a Bengals team. By the way, just a quick aside,
the Steelers had won ten games in a row, the
last ten. The Steelers are three and seven against the Bengals,
so keep that in mind. And also the desperation factor
I don't like. I think the Steelers. This game is
very important for the Steelers. I think it's almost this
is this season. If you're the Bengals, if you win
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this game, you are right back in it. If you
lose this game, you're in very tough straights. I think
that makes them desperate, and I think Sperd team is
always a dangerous team.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Well, I agree with that. I rarely use the term
must win until it truly is so a game it
can end the season, or a playoff game or something
like that. But I do think that those words apply
for the Bengals playoff chances this year for this week's game,
because they're not going to be a wild card team
at three and six. I think we can toss that
out the window, and in a normal year they would
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not be in the hunt in the AFC North. But
it's not a normal year. The Steelers are a game
over five hundred and in first the Ravens started one
in five. They're coming on, but there's still a game
under five hundred and you know who knows. Lamar could
tweak his hamstring again this week. It's possible. So through
no credit or fault of their own, well I guess
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it is fault of their own, but they're still in
the hunt. The Bengals are because they're three and oh
in the division. I'm sorry, two and oh in the division,
with a chance to get to three and oh, and
a chance to be two and oh had to head
against the team that's currently in first place. So yeah.
In terms of their playoff chances, I would agree that
this is a must win, must win game for a
desperate Cincinnati team.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Dan Horde is the outstanding play by play man of
the Cincinnati Bengals. For the Cincinnati Bengals, Dan, look forward
to seeing you on Sunday at after Sure Stadium.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Me too, always look forward to the trip to Pittsburgh
and uh, we'll see if the Bengals can make it
interesting by playing better defense on Sunday. Thank you, Dan,
You bet my pleasure.